Happy days. Skype and a new F/W version coming soon.

[sapporobaby]

You heard it here first sport fans. Nokia will be releasing a new F/W version that promises to finally fix Flash, and Skype will be joining the application lineup in the very near future.

There will be no Java for the N800 however. Nokia does not see the need when Flash and Ajax can provide a better experience for the user.

Get your flashers ready.

[schmots]

Nokia doesn't see the need?!? Its freaking java.. Its used by a ton of stuff. If the tablet had java I could do my whole job from the device and sit outside on the nice benches in the sun and work.

[sapporobaby]

Nokia doesn't see the need?!? Its freaking java.. Its used by a ton of stuff. If the tablet had java I could do my whole job from the device and sit outside on the nice benches in the sun and work.

Dude, I hear you. I was surprised as well but in the meeting, they said that Flash and Ajax are more compatible to the way the tablet is designed. Not from a technical aspect but from a user experience aspect. The Nokia guys said that less and less Java is playing an important part in website design and Flash/Ajax is coming more to the forefront. It is cool that there will be a new F/W upgrade and Skype though.

I like GizmoProject but for some reason it stopped working and I can not get a real response from their developers why, other than the fact that, "Yeah we know there is a problem."

Not very reassuring.

[sondjata]

Gizmo works fine here. My problem is that i still would have to pay yet another company to call 'real' phones. oh and the mic feedback loops on laptops is horrible.

Yeah flash would be nice. I guess i'll need to go and download my installers for apps.... again.....

[brendan]

with the new firmware, will bluetooth headset drivers be available?

[Mara]

Would they finally be able to include SDHC support? Not that I have SDHC card yet but once the device officially support it I'll consider buying one (or two... :p )

[sapporobaby]

Would they finally be able to include SDHC support? Not that I have SDHC card yet but once the device officially support it I'll consider buying one (or two... :p )

@Brendan and Mara,

Your issues were not addressed. We mainly talked about the user experience, current and future.

Nokia said that the current state of the repositories was more geared towards developers and not very user/consumer friendly and they will have to change this to be more appealing to a mass market. This could also be the reason for the exclusion of Java from the N800 roadmap. WHile BT would be a great addition, I am not sure it will be added. I hope so though. By all means write them. They do read the emails and sometimes this forum.

They are working on getting the OS as stable as possible before the next phase (not a lot of info there) is implemented but it will have to do with more user friendly and useable apps. They said that Canola was good but not quite there yet and this could be based on the OS or Canola itself but it is a great start.

For sure the N800 will not be marketed as a biz device. The E-Series phones are there for this.

[sapporobaby]

Gizmo works fine here. My problem is that i still would have to pay yet another company to call 'real' phones. oh and the mic feedback loops on laptops is horrible.

Yeah flash would be nice. I guess i'll need to go and download my installers for apps.... again.....

Hey sondjata,

I have to thank you for convincing me (indirectly) to give the N800 another chance. It was something said that made realize that maybe I was approaching it in the wrong way, and sure enough, once I looked at it as a simple connectivity (via the web) device, I am getting a much better user experience.

As for Gizmo, they made a major upgrade to their network and some people (me included) can not hear the incoming voice from the distant end. This is on either my N800 and Mac. However, if I use X-Lite on my Mac, the sipphone network functions just fine. It has been localized to the interaction between the Gizmo client and their networks.

[phi]

So how did you get dirt on what's going on at Nokia?

[sapporobaby]

Not dirt. :)

I live in Finland and have quite a few friends in the Espoo office. I also consult for the US military on new devices, and in spite of some "subscribers" here I felt the N800 might have some governmental applications and uses.

The cool thing is that the N800 will become more user friendly in the near future. Nokia is very concerned that it is currently viewed as mainly a developer/niche user market device.

[johsua]

@Brendan and Mara,

...

By all means write them. They do read the emails and sometimes this forum.
...


To what email address should we write? I hope that they fix the ridiculous way BT devices are handled. <rant> As has been mentioned elsewhere - it is silly that you have to go to the control panel and go three levels into the BT app to connect a KB - even if you don't use the KB for a few minutes! This is especially silly when you consider that the BT plugin on the 770 would automatically connect just by turning the KB on and hitting a few keys! </rant>

good news otherwise...

[Texrat]

I get the idea that the new firmware is more plan than action at this point. I have access to pre-release versions and there is nothing available after the 10-7 OS.

[DryLand404]

Additionally, I think there should be a big focus on getting Cell Network access working native to the device.
BT is nice if you can get it working properly on your phone but... now you have two devices to carry around. (and keep charged.)
BT seems to be a pretty big drag on the battery's as well.

I checked out some of the USB - CDMA and GPRS data access devices which appear might work if USB host mode can be made to work properly.
The USB devices I looked at are accessed as a Serial device once connectivity is available.
Certainly a powered hub or USB power injector might required to get the amperage high enough for usage.
I was looking at the N800 device itself, picturing a replacement back cover, as it appears there could be available space for a 2nd battery that could align with the existing battery contacts and a mount for a USB Cell Data modem.
The previous assumes that it might be possible to add a second battery in parallel to the existing.
I don't know that the charger could handle simultaneous charging however, (though the voltage would be the same.)
Even if the back plate only allowed for the additional battery, the data connectivity option could be dongled to a custom protector case. perhaps even Sype branded? Once skpe is reliable and you have Cell Network data access.. Who needs a Cell Company phone number?

I felt that the N800 got the value added I wanted when I was finally able to get consistent always on access tot he Internet for Communications. IM, Email, Gizmo, NewsFeeds, Video and Music on Demand. This is the market that is being pushed in the US by the phone providers with their phones that have terribly inadequate displays and input keys. And the customers are willing to pay extra for access to all this always available digitally connected environment. The one thing MOST are not willing to do is carry two bulky device's. The data device and one extra interface (such as BT earpiece) is about as much as most will carry, (at least until the RoboCop look comes into fashion.
In this respect the N800 is far ahead of the rest of the pack.. The only thing it's missing is the integrated always available connection.

For information I dug up on USB Cell Network access, see
http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5597

[Lithorus]

I just wish they would make a SIP client availible. Gizmo doesn't really cut it since it still needs to go through the Gizmo network.

[sapporobaby]

@DryLand404,

Good point but what allowed the N800 to come to market so fast is that it did not have to get FCC approval. Not having a radio sped up time to market. Nokia is well aware that users of the N800 will have to carry two devices but this is the perceived trade-off. Personally I do not mind having my E-61 (soon to be E-61i when released) and my N800. It is not a burden for me at all but some people, understandably so would prefer only one device.

[sapporobaby]

I just wish they would make a SIP client availible. Gizmo doesn't really cut it since it still needs to go through the Gizmo network.

I agree 100%. I am not really impressed with the Gizmo service. The tech support, a guy named Jeff, is great and helpful but he is only one person.

[DryLand404]

The USB devices mentioned are already FCC approved. and the manufacturers support Linux even if the Cell providers do not. Within the links there is a script for connecting as a serial modem in Ubuntu.
All that is really needed is adequate power (Mini powered USB hub? or Power Injector?) and a functional USB host mode, plus I would guess a standard serial modem driver compiled for Deb ARM.
A replacement back plate with RF protection might be nice considering the transmit wattage were talking about.

For me, since Skype is so slick, If I had Cell Data access only I wouldn't need the personal cell phone other than the N800. Also I would prefer to give the cell company's as little as possible.
http://www.newnetworks.com/BroadbandScandalIntro.htm

[Texrat]

FYI, the N800 does have radio (wifi, bluetooth and FM) and did require FCC approval. Everyone who was here for the leaks remembers. ;)

[Xyzo]

I just wish they would make a SIP client availible. Gizmo doesn't really cut it since it still needs to go through the Gizmo network.
FYI Gizmo let you use any SIP account through the second account facility, which is quite useful. My ISP (see free.fr) provides me with a free SIP account with which I can call any landline for free nearly all over the world :-) And I can also be called from any "normal" phone. Cool :-)

[Nik1]

Any webpages or dates you can give us on when the new fw and skype will be released.

[sapporobaby]

Any webpages or dates you can give us on when the new fw and skype will be released.

From a meeting with NDA's signed? :)

Sure. :)

Skype should be here by the summer.

[maxilogan]

Is there any hope for us poor 770 users to use skype on OS2007 hacker ed., at least for the chat? That would be a great improvement, despite having to rely on chat only because of the low perfrmance of 770's CPU

Omar

[sapporobaby]

I can not say as I do not know. To be honest, the 770 was not discussed. I was only concerned with the N800. Nokia does know that the 770 was the precursor to the N800 which will be replaced by something else.

[Mika73]

Skype should be here by the summer.

Ok. So there is still some time to wait.. :)

First when I readed your message I think that it might come next week or week after it.. ;)

[Lithorus]

FYI Gizmo let you use any SIP account through the second account facility, which is quite useful. My ISP (see free.fr) provides me with a free SIP account with which I can call any landline for free nearly all over the world :-) And I can also be called from any "normal" phone. Cool :-)
Yes, but the SIP still have to go through gizmo's network which makes internal asterisk's rather useless (or less usefull). Ekiga for instance can connect directly to the SIP phone/service.

For me Gizmo seems just like all the other proprietary VOIP services like Skype.

Edit:
Seems like there have already been made some effort of getting ekiga working :
http://n770.herraiz.org/archives/27

[Milhouse]

If this was all under NDA, why are you posting about it?! :)

Actually, Skype and improved multi-media is in the mid-term roadmap Ari published in February, and Skype has been a Q2-ish delivery since launch.

Good to know that Nokia realise the Internet Tablets need to become more consumer-friendly, but this won't be achieved by consolidating a few repositories. Plenty of other rough edges need smoothing out too.

As for the inclusion of mobile phone functionality in the N800 - it's not FCC certification, it's certification in every country where the N800 is launched. This significantly increases time to market. Also, I'm not too sure I'd want the N800 as my phone as it's way too big - I much prefer the N800 as my mobile computing device which I can sometimes leave at home when I don't need it or store in my coat pocket, and I have a small phone which I carry with me everywhere in my trouser pocket.

[sapporobaby]

Ok. So there is still some time to wait.. :)

First when I readed your message I think that it might come next week or week after it.. ;)

Moi Mika,

Sorry dude. :)

[sapporobaby]

If this was all under NDA, why are you posting about it?! :)

Actually, Skype and improved multi-media is in the mid-term roadmap Ari published in February, and Skype has been a Q2-ish delivery since launch.




Put me back on Ignore please and don't address me again.

Thanks in advance.

[Nik1]

Any news on when Nokia will release a newer (working) version of "Nokia internet call invitation" ? Also, will skype support video calls by any chance?

[sapporobaby]

Like I said, I think, :) it was pretty informal. Nokia gave info but much was superficial, some was deeper. The stuff I am mentioning here, should become public shortly. I will not get into the "few" debate that went on a while back. I have no dates and if I did, I could not give them to you. However, there should be some good things coming soon (abstract as I can be). This makes me want to keep my N800 even more. So, if I am happy with it, you as a longer time user should be even happier.

[YoDude]

I did recently get this reply on a bug I reported >> https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1095



------- Additional Comments From aapo.makela@nokia.com 2007-03-30 10:22
-------
This will be fixed in future release. Dial up number field for packet data will function in full input mode.

This was 7 days after the latest release indicating to me that a new release is coming. :)


What I thought was cool was that this bug had only 1 vote (mine). So it appears that they do have the consumers interest at heart.
Still, I'm guessing that new firmware releases are driven by commercial applications. Maemo is not as "open source" as I was led to believe... This is good in one way because commercial apps can hide proprietary code behind it I suppose and would be more inclined to develop.
Firmware upgrades might depend on the development schedules of companies like Skype or Navicore.

The last upgrade gave us Rhapsody.
Can it be broken out of the flash and run in the original firmware?

[Milhouse]

Put me back on Ignore please and don't address me again.

Thanks in advance.

So you do know what NDA stands for? Specifically the "N" in NDA?

LOL.

[brendan]

@nik1

skype does support video calling/chat now, in its desktop app rendition. i would guess/hope that that functionality be included. we shall see, as it seems things are a-brewing

[sapporobaby]

So you do know what NDA stands for? Specifically the "N" in NDA?

LOL.

Do you know what the "M" in merchant means?

Like I said, put me back on Ignore with your buddy and don't bother me.

is that clear enough for you? I posted it in the open so you don't have to post it for everyone to see.

I think even you can understand this.

[Milhouse]

Mr Baby, it's not my fault you have failed to abide by the terms of the agreement you signed with Nokia. :rolleyes:

Clearly you have several anger management issues you need to deal with, fella. I do appreciate you posting in public rather than sending abusive private messages, it's now clear for everyone to see the type of nutjob you obviously are. :)

[sapporobaby]

Mr Baby, it's not my fault you have failed to abide by the terms of the agreement you signed with Nokia. :rolleyes:

Clearly you have several anger management issues you need to deal with, fella. I do appreciate you posting in public rather than sending abusive private messages, it's now clear for everyone to see the type of nutjob you obviously are. :)

Well while we are in a public forum and you have seen fit to derail the thread please post a copy of the NDA and the minutes of the meeting so everyone here will know exactly what was discussed. I am sure that this should not be a problem for you as you know everything.

The clock is ticking. Start posting.

Oh and please post the attendees at the meeting, time, agenda. You know everything you think you know. It is also obvious that I have asked you twice not to address me but you continue to annoy me. This is borderline trolling or stalking. I wonder if a complaint would be in order at this point.

[sapporobaby]

@nik1

skype does support video calling/chat now, in its desktop app rendition. i would guess/hope that that functionality be included. we shall see, as it seems things are a-brewing

I would hope so. This is also a big opportunity for Gizmo to up the ante and provide these capabilities. How hard would it be to add this to something like GAIM?

[Milhouse]

From a meeting with NDA's signed? :)

Sure. :)

Skype should be here by the summer.

You said it yourself. You signed an NDA, but have already blabbed about what was discussed. Tick Tock.

[sapporobaby]

You said it yourself. You signed an NDA, but have already blabbed about what was discussed. Tick Tock.

That's your argument. Pathetic. Make sure you let everyone know what software you develop so we can stay clear.

This has been public information and has been posted here in this forum by others.

Sad, sad, sad.

So, if you have nothing else. Please go be the Merchant you are and as a last request, do not address me again, or I will have to speak to the mod.

[Milhouse]

It is also obvious that I have asked you twice not to address me but you continue to annoy me. This is borderline trolling or stalking. I wonder if a complaint would be in order at this point.

It's a public forum!

Please complain about me replying to your public posts (mostly in a civil way, as I did with my first post to you tonight) and how you lose the plot everytime. Please, go right ahead.

Anyway, enough "discussion" with you tonight... you're not worth the effort when all is said and done.

[sapporobaby]

It's a public forum!

Please complain about me replying to your public posts (mostly in a civil way, as I did with my first post to you tonight) and how you lose the plot everytime. Please, go right ahead.

Anyway, enough "discussion" with you tonight... you're not worth the effort when all is said and done.

But you keep coming back. You must be attention starved. What's wrong, bf break up with you?

It was you that started down this road, and for sure the mods can see that I ignored you and your pal but you wanted more, so okay. You got it. I will contact them.

[sapporobaby]

I did recently get this reply on a bug I reported >> https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1095





This was 7 days after the latest release indicating to me that a new release is coming. :)


What I thought was cool was that this bug had only 1 vote (mine). So it appears that they do have the consumers interest at heart.
Still, I'm guessing that new firmware releases are driven by commercial applications. Maemo is not as "open source" as I was led to believe... This is good in one way because commercial apps can hide proprietary code behind it I suppose and would be more inclined to develop.
Firmware upgrades might depend on the development schedules of companies like Skype or Navicore.

The last upgrade gave us Rhapsody.
Can it be broken out of the flash and run in the original firmware?

I think you can download it as a stand alone from the Tableteer page. Normally when I download via my N800, I save the files for a later install and I did this with Rhapsody.

[Milhouse]

That's your argument. Pathetic. Make sure you let everyone know what software you develop so we can stay clear.

This has been public information and has been posted here in this forum by others.

Sad, sad, sad.

So, if you have nothing else. Please go be the Merchant you are and as a last request, do not address me again, or I will have to speak to the mod.

So did you sign an NDA or not? Your original post when you mentioned an NDA gave the impression you had in fact signed it - if this isn't the case, all you had to say was "No I did not sign an NDA" and that would be the end of the matter. Instead you went off the deep end - again.

Much of what you have posted here is already in the public domain and isn't news, but some of it isn't public domain. So don't think you can weasle out of an NDA that easily, if indeed you signed one.

The mod is ReggieS - please send him a complaint by PM, I'm sure he'll react appropriately.

G'night.

[sapporobaby]

Also they said that this service is something that the N800 would be perfect for.

Forgot to post this earlier: www.foldera.com

[sapporobaby]

So did you sign an NDA or not? Your original post when you mentioned an NDA gave the impression you had in fact signed it - if this isn't the case, all you had to say was "No I did not sign an NDA" and that would be the end of the matter. Instead you went off the deep end - again.

Much of what you have posted here is already in the public domain and isn't news, but some of it isn't public domain. So don't think you can weasle out of an NDA that easily, if indeed you signed one.

The mod is ReggieS - please send him a complaint by PM, I'm sure he'll react appropriately.

G'night.

You're the one that knows it all, so you tell us all here in this public forum.

No one else brought this up or made this an issue after the first question regarding an NDA. Only you because you thought it would be funny now everyone here sees how funny you really are. Well Mr. Comedian you answer all the questions from now on. I have been in this biz quite a bit longer than you for sure, and I know how it works. I would not jeopardize a relationship with over something as simple as an N800. You are really reaching. Grow up and by all means get a life. I am also sure you already flagged ReggieS and he should be along to close this thread thanks to you.

[Texrat]

Aw, come on Mil-- I thought you were seeing as many ignored posts as I am right now. :D

As for the NDA issue, I got a chuckle earlier seeing it mentioned after some beans were spilled. Gee, which takes precedence: a company's desire to keep certain details quiet, or an individual's overinflated ego? ;)

*pops more popcorn in anticipation of continued drama*

[aleksandyr]

Avvenu and Orb more or less cover what I'd use Foldera for, but yes, I like what I see there too :)

[SD69]

Aw, come on Mil-- I thought you were seeing as many ignored posts as I am right now. :D

*pops more popcorn in anticipation of continued drama*

I actually think it helps that Milhouse is willing to grill him.

At first sapporrobaby says Skype will be joining the application lineup "in the very near future." so I am thinking - yay, Skype in a month or so. Probably others did too.

And then in post #21 he admits Skype "should be here by summer" *yawn*

[johsua]

" think you can download it as a stand alone from the Tableteer page. Normally when I download via my N800, I save the files for a later install and I did this with Rhapsody."

did u do this w/ mnotify? i am looking for it...

[Mika73]

Moi Mika,

Sorry dude. :)

Moi :)

Thats ok. Skype is a good thing, course I couldn´t get Internet Call invitation work, it just didnt. And I dont know any Google Talk users anyway :)

Its good that those OS updates dont come every week, I dont want to flash/install programs every week.

Oh boy, cant wait that Skype.. ;)

[benny1967]

Referring to the title... I'm not sure if Skype is good news. It's just another piece of software that can't be fixed by the community, just like Flash and Opera today. What we'll get is a piece of software that cannot be improved/fixed/backported to OS2006, neither by Nokia nor by the community.

A Skype client doesn't make the N800 a better net citizen. The focus should have been on better SIP-support from the early 770-days on, instead.

[sapporobaby]

Aw, come on Mil-- I thought you were seeing as many ignored posts as I am right now. :D

As for the NDA issue, I got a chuckle earlier seeing it mentioned after some beans were spilled. Gee, which takes precedence: a company's desire to keep certain details quiet, or an individual's overinflated ego? ;)

*pops more popcorn in anticipation of continued drama*


As you also are part of the Milhouse all knowing Brigade, you are cordially invited to prove what I gave away as being under NDA. There you go Mr. "I get advanced copies". Post here in public what beans I spilled. You and your best friend are quick to talk and put up no facts to back up your claims. So with your connections to Nokia, find out with whom we spoke, where the meeting was, the time, and the agenda. Please post a copy of the NDA that I violated as well. You nor your best bud have zero point zero clue as to the client I was with nor my capacity there yet you are attempting to speak with authority about a subject you are clueless about. So this is your BIG CHANCE to prove me wrong and show where I leaked company secrets. Put it out there for all to see. I am sure they are just as interested as I am to see what you have to say. Between you and your friend, you have done your best to derail this thread. If you don't like what I am saying then ignore it considering you know more and know better. You can't even stick to your word and put me on Ignore like you mentioned. So bring it on chuckles.

I like my popcorn with butter.

[sapporobaby]

I actually think it helps that Milhouse is willing to grill him.

At first sapporrobaby says Skype will be joining the application lineup "in the very near future." so I am thinking - yay, Skype in a month or so. Probably others did too.

And then in post #21 he admits Skype "should be here by summer" *yawn*

I have no problems with someone, even Millhouse asking a question. As for grilling me, get serious. He's not a lawyer. I do know that Skype is closer to being released for the consumer market as was thought. This is not top secret info. Second, I gave no specific dates about the release of anything other than a few months, soon, shortly, in a bit, etc..... If I had said, month and day x, then you would have a gripe. So with that, what exactly do you want? What should I do so that you are happy?

[sapporobaby]

Referring to the title... I'm not sure if Skype is good news. It's just another piece of software that can't be fixed by the community, just like Flash and Opera today. What we'll get is a piece of software that cannot be improved/fixed/backported to OS2006, neither by Nokia nor by the community.

A Skype client doesn't make the N800 a better net citizen. The focus should have been on better SIP-support from the early 770-days on, instead.

Ah, okay. I did not own a 770 so I would not know but I do tend to like using SIP-support rather than being locked into a proprietary protocol like Skype. You are 100% correct though.

[rheve]

A Skype client doesn't make the N800 a better net citizen. The focus should have been on better SIP-support from the early 770-days on, instead.
Completely agree. Please please please give us an open / simple / standard SIP client and let us choose our SIP provider!
It is already a big mess in the instant messaging world (I hate to have to install 5 GAIM protocols to be able to reach my buddies) and it is starting to be exactly the same in the SIP world.

[sapporobaby]

Completely agree. Please please please give us an open / simple / standard SIP client and let us choose our SIP provider!
It is already a big mess in the instant messaging world (I hate to have to install 5 GAIM protocols to be able to reach my buddies) and it is starting to be exactly the same in the SIP world.

Yup and I can say that GizmoProject does not work on my home network anymore but it will work on the 3G network or another network. If I use X-Lite, on the same computer with the same SIP credentials, it all works fine. The guys at Gizmo know there is a problem and are working on a fix. They won't say what it is but they know an issue exists.

[sapporobaby]

" think you can download it as a stand alone from the Tableteer page. Normally when I download via my N800, I save the files for a later install and I did this with Rhapsody."

did u do this w/ mnotify? i am looking for it...

Nope dude. If I had it I would mail it to you. :) If I see an application I want via Application Manager, I select it. It downloads the file and asks me where I want to save it. I pick my external drive and save it there. Then I go to File Manager and install from there.

[sapporobaby]

Moi :)

Thats ok. Skype is a good thing, course I couldn´t get Internet Call invitation work, it just didnt. And I dont know any Google Talk users anyway :)

Its good that those OS updates dont come every week, I dont want to flash/install programs every week.

Oh boy, cant wait that Skype.. ;)

Terve,

Me either. I like being able to use my N800 while out and about in Helsinki, but Gizmo stopped working properly. Hopefully they will get that fixed soon as I used to use it almost daily.

[Texrat]

I actually think it helps that Milhouse is willing to grill him.

At first sapporrobaby says Skype will be joining the application lineup "in the very near future." so I am thinking - yay, Skype in a month or so. Probably others did too.

And then in post #21 he admits Skype "should be here by summer" *yawn*

I confess to getting a kick out of the grilling (I only see Mr Baby's posts when they're quoted), but sooner or later even our antimicromanagement admin will step in and throw water on the whole thing. Been there, got soaked for that. :D

But, yeah, accurate PR, please. Or nebulous hints and vague promises from actual insiders. Either way. :p

[Bernard]

Referring to the title... I'm not sure if Skype is good news. It's just another piece of software that can't be fixed by the community, just like Flash and Opera today. What we'll get is a piece of software that cannot be improved/fixed/backported to OS2006, neither by Nokia nor by the community.

A Skype client doesn't make the N800 a better net citizen. The focus should have been on better SIP-support from the early 770-days on, instead.

I don't agree. Skype IS the most used VoIP service on the planet, so it will be very useful on the Nokia IT.
I also think the Opera browser is the best piece of software for the N800 (and 770) It is very user friendly , very compatible and relatively stable when compared to the other programs (email client, RSS feeds, Media player, VoIP google talk client).
Because of the problems with those programs I don't use them as much as I would like to. Opera I use ALL the time, and use a web application for RSS en Email. (works much better)

If Skype for the N800 is of good quality (user friendly and stable ) I don't mind if it is closed source.

[johsua]

Nope dude. If I had it I would mail it to you. :) If I see an application I want via Application Manager, I select it. It downloads the file and asks me where I want to save it. I pick my external drive and save it there. Then I go to File Manager and install from there.

I used to do that, and then I got lazy - Oh well. Thanks

[sapporobaby]

I confess to getting a kick out of the grilling (I only see Mr Baby's posts when they're quoted), but sooner or later even our antimicromanagement admin will step in and throw water on the whole thing. Been there, got soaked for that. :D

But, yeah, accurate PR, please. Or nebulous hints and vague promises from actual insiders. Either way. :p

Well, Mr. Obfuscate, or is that Bloviate? I see you have nothing as your partner by way of facts. The challenge still stands for you and your boy to post what you know. You made the accusations now back them up. To date all you have done is dance and deflect when presented with a challenge. So put it out there what I have posted that were Nokia guarded secrets.

We are all waiting. I am guessing that ReggieS would also like to see your facts as well.

[sapporobaby]

Here you go, of course you will not "see" this.

Well, Mr. Obfuscate, or is that Bloviate? I see you have nothing as your partner by way of facts. The challenge still stands for you and your boy to post what you know. You made the accusations now back them up. To date all you have done is dance and deflect when presented with a challenge. So put it out there what I have posted that were Nokia guarded secrets.

We are all waiting. I am guessing that ReggieS would also like to see your facts as well.

As you also are part of the Milhouse all knowing Brigade, you are cordially invited to prove what I gave away as being under NDA. There you go Mr. "I get advanced copies". Post here in public what beans I spilled. You and your best friend are quick to talk and put up no facts to back up your claims. So with your connections to Nokia, find out with whom we spoke, where the meeting was, the time, and the agenda. Please post a copy of the NDA that I violated as well. You nor your best bud have zero point zero clue as to the client I was with nor my capacity there yet you are attempting to speak with authority about a subject you are clueless about. So this is your BIG CHANCE to prove me wrong and show where I leaked company secrets. Put it out there for all to see. I am sure they are just as interested as I am to see what you have to say. Between you and your friend, you have done your best to derail this thread. If you don't like what I am saying then ignore it considering you know more and know better. You can't even stick to your word and put me on Ignore like you mentioned. So bring it on chuckles.

I like my popcorn with butter.

So as to help you with your further attempts to bob and weave I have quoted my posts just for your edification.

So here you have it. You made the claim as well as your boy so back them up.

By the way, I was correct about your lame attempt. You can further place that weak apology where you head currently is. So until you post something to back up your claims, you can "off".

Cordially yours.

[sapporobaby]

I used to do that, and then I got lazy - Oh well. Thanks

Sorry dude, but actually this was quite helpful considering that sometimes I do not know what I am looking for but when I have it on one of my cards.

Cheers

[sapporobaby]

I don't agree. Skype IS the most used VoIP service on the planet, so it will be very useful on the Nokia IT.
I also think the Opera browser is the best piece of software for the N800 (and 770) It is very user friendly , very compatible and relatively stable when compared to the other programs (email client, RSS feeds, Media player, VoIP google talk client).
Because of the problems with those programs I don't use them as much as I would like to. Opera I use ALL the time, and use a web application for RSS en Email. (works much better)

If Skype for the N800 is of good quality (user friendly and stable ) I don't mind if it is closed source.

Hey Bernard,

Is there anyway Skype would sort of open up its code to the OS community for some tweaking of the code? It is just a question on my part. It would probably be advantageous but they would lose all control over the client.

[Nik1]

@nik1

skype does support video calling/chat now, in its desktop app rendition. i would guess/hope that that functionality be included. we shall see, as it seems things are a-brewing

I have not used it myself, but I am pretty sure it does. Why else would you have to setup your webcam during installation.

[Milhouse]

Baby - just answer a straight question with a straight answer: Did you sign a non-disclosure agreement before you proceeded to disclose all this information on a public forum?

Your thrashing around and taking pops at everyone and anyone who doesn't agree with your view of the world is quite hilarious I might add. Have you contacted ReggieS yet - I'm dying to see how he responds given your offensive, abusive and homophobic rants. Bring it on! :)

[Texrat]

Baby - just answer a straight question with a straight answer: Did you sign a non-disclosure agreement before you proceeded to disclose all this information on a public forum?

Your thrashing around and taking pops at everyone and anyone who doesn't agree with your view of the world is quite hilarious I might add. Have you contacted ReggieS yet - I'm dying to see how he responds given your offensive, abusive and homophobic rants. Bring it on! :)

Now, dammit, Mil, if you're gonna poke the bear at least include a quote so I can see the ranting responses. Yeah, yeah, I know what I said before but I get the feeling I'm missing some good fun. Maybe you could just include the meatier bits, ok?

Many thanks. I'll pop some more corn.

[sapporobaby]

Baby - just answer a straight question with a straight answer: Did you sign a non-disclosure agreement before you proceeded to disclose all this information on a public forum?

Your thrashing around and taking pops at everyone and anyone who doesn't agree with your view of the world is quite hilarious I might add. Have you contacted ReggieS yet - I'm dying to see how he responds given your offensive, abusive and homophobic rants. Bring it on! :)

Mr. House-Merchant (I am quite sure you know what I am talking about),

You and your boy made overt statements and for the life of me I can not figure out why you can not back them up. Can it be that this is just your modus operandi?

Second, I don't jump just because say so. It seems that the only people I have a problem here with is you and your friend Trash-rat. Between the two of you, I have seen you argue and run off at least 4 new members of this forum from high in your lofty perch. Sorry but neither of you scare me, and I will be in this forum for as long as I or ReggieS chooses. As for contacting ReggieS, there is no doubt that you remained true to form and contacted him. This is just how you are. Outside of you, and Trash, this has been a pretty good forum about future expectations, but you and the Trash seem fit to do nothing but obfuscate, deflect and provide nothing of value.

So with that being said, you made the claims, so you back them up. I have nothing to prove here. Everything I said is public information, but in your attempt to try and poke fun, you left yourself open. So now I will close the door that you have opened. You made the claim, back it up with facts.

[fpp]

Just because the rest of us don't mingle in your childish bickering, doesn't mean we don't care, or have opinions.

Milhouse and Texrat are old-timers here, and they have been unfailingly courteous, knowledgeable and helpful to the community at large. I've just skimmed through your less-than-200 postings here, and there is not much actual content there, mostly questions, snide or disparaging remarks, and some bragging. And, of course, snapping back tirelessly at any criticism aimed your way (which you will undoubtedly do again for this post, however uselessly).

I'm not one to use killfiles or ignore-lists, but your empty rants have long since ceased to amuse me, if they ever did. YOU are the exception in these otherwise helpful and good-natured forums, not people like Tex and Mil.

If it ever comes to choosing between the like of you and the like of them, I won't even have to think for a split second.

(I won't say any more in this thread, whatever you do. It's just to let you know where you stand).

[munky261]

look at it this way guys , take satisfaction in the fact that you probably get laid while people like baby is sitting in mommys basement whith his N800 in one hand and his d**k in the other

[sapporobaby]

Just because the rest of us don't mingle in your childish bickering, doesn't mean we don't care, or have opinions.

Milhouse and Texrat are old-timers here, and they have been unfailingly courteous, knowledgeable and helpful to the community at large. I've just skimmed through your less-than-200 postings here, and there is not much actual content there, mostly questions, snide or disparaging remarks, and some bragging. And, of course, snapping back tirelessly at any criticism aimed your way (which you will undoubtedly do again for this post, however uselessly).

I'm not one to use killfiles or ignore-lists, but your empty rants have long since ceased to amuse me, if they ever did. YOU are the exception in these otherwise helpful and good-natured forums, not people like Tex and Mil.

If it ever comes to choosing between the like of you and the like of them, I won't even have to think for a split second.

(I won't say any more in this thread, whatever you do. It's just to let you know where you stand).

This is a post I can appreciate for its honesty. I like it being direct and to the point. No problems there. You are correct in that some of my posts are questions. Of course they are, as I am new to the N800 arena. I offer information as I get, which of course is growing as I use my N800. In your reading I am quite sure you have also noticed that I do not disparage, attack or make snide comments unless they are directed at me first. Being erudite, I am sure you noticed this right away.

When I started this thread, I did it to give a public/general insight to info that is not classified or company secrets. As you may have gleaned from your readings I work for the US govt so I am quite familiar with information disclosures, what can and can not be said. So once again, the info I put out is not top secret and has been discussed on this forum in several places. The problem occurred when Milhouse decided to jump in to the thread, not to add info or to be helpful but to purposefully derail it. Then enter Texrat with the same intention. I am sure you got this as well. For the most part others here have asked questions, answered questions and tried to move on. I did this as well when I asked Milhouse several times to just move on, put me back on Ignore and not address anything to me. You got this as well I am sure. So, I am quite sure that you have no problems in seeing that initially I tried to drive on but they came back and came back picking a fight in a thread that they had no interest in really participating. Anyway, thanks for you honestly.

Cheers.

[THX1138]

What I don't understand is how someone who was complaining a week and a half ago that he paid full retail price for a device that wasn't ready for "prime time" and that he was going to put it in drawer until there was apps compelling enough for him to use is now all of a sudden a bigshot having meetings with Nokia about said device and its development cycles. That doesn't make any sense.

[sapporobaby]

What I don't understand is how someone who was complaining a week and a half ago that he paid full retail price for a device that wasn't ready for "prime time" and that he was going to put it in drawer until there was apps compelling enough for him to use is now all of a sudden a bigshot having meetings with Nokia about said device and its development cycles. That doesn't make any sense.

What I do not understand is supposedly after you have read this thread and others how you still come away posting inaccurate info.

It is true I said, I would put it in the draw, it is true I said that it is not ready for "prime time". However, it is also true that after reading several posts from other members here, I reevaluated how I was using the N800 and I realized that I was asking for things it was not designed to do and once I readjusted my usage parameters it performs pretty much as designed and can provide an enjoyable user experience. Second, please post were I said I was a big shot. . My professional representation from my client to Nokia has nothing to do with how I feel personally about the product, and I can see many governmental applications for it. If you have read the thread other than resign yourself to your own reasoning, you would have seen why I was at Nokia. Third, at no time did I say I was involved with the development cycles of "said device"These are all figments of your imagination, however you are cordially invited to point a link to where I said this.

Of course you won't as this is not how things work in this forum. The only post of this nature I can respect in that by fpp. He was honest and at least provided a basis for his feelings even-though, they were somewhat incorrect but, he had made an attempt to come to some sort of reckoning. You on the other hand read something and then make completely inaccurate accusations and will at no time return to say "opppppssss" or "now I understand" as this is not how this forum operates in relationship to some individuals. This is not a blanket statement such as yours but is directed to those whom it applies.

[dunsun]

Additionally, I think there should be a big focus on getting Cell Network access working native to the device.
BT is nice if you can get it working properly on your phone but... now you have two devices to carry around. (and keep charged.)
BT seems to be a pretty big drag on the battery's as well.

I checked out some of the USB - CDMA and GPRS data access devices which appear might work if USB host mode can be made to work properly.
The USB devices I looked at are accessed as a Serial device once connectivity is available.
Certainly a powered hub or USB power injector might required to get the amperage high enough for usage.
I was looking at the N800 device itself, picturing a replacement back cover, as it appears there could be available space for a 2nd battery that could align with the existing battery contacts and a mount for a USB Cell Data modem.
The previous assumes that it might be possible to add a second battery in parallel to the existing.
I don't know that the charger could handle simultaneous charging however, (though the voltage would be the same.)
Even if the back plate only allowed for the additional battery, the data connectivity option could be dongled to a custom protector case. perhaps even Sype branded? Once skpe is reliable and you have Cell Network data access.. Who needs a Cell Company phone number?

I felt that the N800 got the value added I wanted when I was finally able to get consistent always on access tot he Internet for Communications. IM, Email, Gizmo, NewsFeeds, Video and Music on Demand. This is the market that is being pushed in the US by the phone providers with their phones that have terribly inadequate displays and input keys. And the customers are willing to pay extra for access to all this always available digitally connected environment. The one thing MOST are not willing to do is carry two bulky device's. The data device and one extra interface (such as BT earpiece) is about as much as most will carry, (at least until the RoboCop look comes into fashion.
In this respect the N800 is far ahead of the rest of the pack.. The only thing it's missing is the integrated always available connection.

For information I dug up on USB Cell Network access, see
http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5597

yapp ... but the most importante feature in here is a fully working USB HOST MODE!! and it is what i'm expecting the most from any near future new firmware.

[Milhouse]

They do read the emails and sometimes this forum.

In which case it's an odds-on certainty they won't be inviting you back for follow up discussions any time soon so that you can blab their private conversations all over the internet. :)

Nokia couldn't have picked a worse candidate with whom to discuss their future plans if they had tried (assuming you aren't making this up of course, which is always a possibility as it does have a certain "whiff" about it).

Oh and just for the record - I haven't contacted ReggieS, why would I? Have you? If not, why not - hurry up for gawds sake.

[dunsun]

I don't agree. Skype IS the most used VoIP service on the planet, so it will be very useful on the Nokia IT.
I also think the Opera browser is the best piece of software for the N800 (and 770) It is very user friendly , very compatible and relatively stable when compared to the other programs (email client, RSS feeds, Media player, VoIP google talk client).
Because of the problems with those programs I don't use them as much as I would like to. Opera I use ALL the time, and use a web application for RSS en Email. (works much better)

If Skype for the N800 is of good quality (user friendly and stable ) I don't mind if it is closed source.

nope, i don't agree. yes opera is a good piece of software but i'm missing lotof user friendly features there. moreover it's closed source so nobody can improve or fix it. it'll be the very same for skype. (btw i don't like skype). nokia should rather concantrate on usb host mode enabling so that users could connect hundreds of usb devices to our little toys.

[benny1967]

I don't agree. Skype IS the most used VoIP service on the planet, so it will be very useful on the Nokia IT.
I also think the Opera browser is the best piece of software for the N800 (and 770) It is very user friendly , very compatible and relatively stable when compared to the other programs (email client, RSS feeds, Media player, VoIP google talk client).
Because of the problems with those programs I don't use them as much as I would like to. Opera I use ALL the time, and use a web application for RSS en Email. (works much better)

If Skype for the N800 is of good quality (user friendly and stable ) I don't mind if it is closed source.

I know this is an old one and we'll never see people agree on this, but:

If you are one of those "as long as it works I dont mind if it's closed source"-people, I honestly recommend you buy Windows-based products or look for what Apple has to offer. This is not meant to be impolite, it's a matter of fact: My experience is that the "just works"-factor is higher on these platforms than it ever will be on (semi-)open ones like Maemo.

The appeal of open platforms is that you do not depend on the good will or business plan of one single company when it comes to updates, bug fixes, backports etc.

You as a consumer decide what's more important; you should know, though, that you can't have both. (As seen with the abandonned 770 now.)

The problem with ITOS200x (770/N800) is that, the way it is now, it offers the worst of both worlds: It heavily depends on Nokia, there's now way to develop it without access to their closed source components. At the same time it's open enough so users experience all the problems that are common with open platforms.

There are 2 ways to go from here: Make it really open or continue as a totally closed source device that "just works". The second option might seem appealing to consumers at first, but don't forget there are quite a lot of devices out there that are just that way. You can go and buy one today. The charming idea about the 770 (when it was originally released) was the (false) idea of an open, thus future-proof device, and I still believe that this would be the right way to go. This is why I'm not so happy with Nokia's obvious plan of packing more and more proprietary components into the OS. Skype is part of this.

[sapporobaby]

In which case it's an odds-on certainty they won't be inviting you back for follow up discussions any time soon so that you can blab their private conversations all over the internet. :)

Nokia couldn't have picked a worse candidate with whom to discuss their future plans if they had tried (assuming you aren't making this up of course, which is always a possibility as it does have a certain "whiff" about it).

Oh and just for the record - I haven't contacted ReggieS, why would I? Have you? If not, why not - hurry up for gawds sake.

You come back and come back and come back with nothing in hand. No facts, no info, just empty accusations. You are lucky though. You do have fpp as your a member of your team.

I invited you to post what you KNOW as a fact that was a "guarded" company secret and you bring jack. Just your big empty mouth. If you can prove something then prove it, if not then it is: check and mate.

So here it is again Mr. Attention Hog. You and a few of your minions have gone out of your way to best derail and destroy this thread, but luckily most are simply ignoring you. So for the sake of all here, either prove me wrong or move along. This has to be too good to pass up. Put me in my place and show everyone here in this forum that I have been making up "stuff". Surely this is not too hard a task for you. Someone of your superior intellect. Hell, use your minions to do your bidding and find out what was actually said. I am sure there are plenty here that are on your side and would like nothing more than to help put me in my place. Get cracking and get those posts in. All are watching and waiting for you now.

The ball is now in your court. By the way, prove all of your claims, starting with what is and is not secret. My name, with whom I met, time and place. What governmental rep was there (freebie from me to you), and the agenda that was discussed.

Anxiously awaiting your answers.

As for contacting ReggieS, sure you did. That's just how you operate.

[sapporobaby]

@Benny1967 and Dunsun,

Would a compromise be a possible colaboration with Skype and maybe another 3rd party org like Gizmo? Considering much work has been done with the N800, this should offer Skype and Gizmo a first hand (hands on) group of developers that know the ends and outs of this device and the underlying OS.

[Milhouse]

You signed an NDA with Nokia then proceeded to shoot your mouth off - is it now official that Java will not be part of Nokias plans because (according to you) they believe Flash (which barely works) and AJAX (same) is good enough? That's news, never seen that before and I must admit I'm not sure I agree with it. Sure it's been suggested, but never confirmed. The future marketing direction (E-series for business not the Internet Tablets) is also something that may or may not be public knowledge (again, I've never seen it stated officially) and could well be something they didn't want you to blab about.

Minor tidbits of news though this all is, you have still violated your NDA which is the point I'm making and you're too much of a coward to accept it. Yes, coward - you know you've done it and refuse to acknowledge it, hence this tiresome and long running discussion (which ends here although I'm sure you'll continue your rantings).

I don't work in concert with anyone, it's just that you are the attention seeking ego maniac who posts what little information he knows despite being asked not to by those who provided that information (the whole point of the NDA, you see?) You become violently disagreeable when challenged over the most minor of points and if anyone has posted agreeing with my point of view, it's because fundamentally you are an unstable attention seeker and everyone can see this.

If I've chased anyone away from this forum, it's because I speak my mind and question the charlatans that have occasionally turned up here, and this includes you. The only person where I recall this happening is the guy who offered the case for sale but produced no goods or evidence of any goods - as I recall, you defended him. You mug.

Until this post I haven't even come close to being rude to you - some mocking posts maybe, it really is too difficult to pass up sometimes - but you have continually peppered your posts (and not just when addressing me) with offensive references. I find it pathetic that you can't bring yourself to use the real words so please, go right ahead and contact ReggieS. Or is this just another empty threat, because you are after all a classic internet bully?

[geneven]

If either of you would like a free tutorial on shutting up, just reply to this message and I'll show you how I do it...

[SD69]

As I said before Milhouse, the critical analysis in your posts help because they show that baby has no credibility.

The E-series and tablets are and will be marketed separately. That much was apparent to me at CES when the tablet was placed into the N-series, camera added, and the announced apps in development were Rhapsody, Skype and Navicore. It became more certain when the E90 was announced, and when the IT start being sold through retail rather than business channels. You can look at my prior posts, on why the tablet won't include a Nokia enterprise-class PDA app anytime soon and others, for my supporting facts and reasoning.

[Milhouse]

If either of you would like a free tutorial on shutting up, just reply to this message and I'll show you how I do it...

You're right, I'll be giving it a rest now. Happy Easter all!

[sapporobaby]

If either of you would like a free tutorial on shutting up, just reply to this message and I'll show you how I do it...

**** :) :) *****

[dcarter]

-but isn't the real reason that skype (and gizmo and gtalk voice) are not open and hackable is so you can't hack it to make free phone calls round the world, 24/7?

I for one can feel the big-money pressure of phone companies riding the partially-stillborn voip wave- at least here in fubar USA. 'wouldn't wan't folks to make free phone calls, ya'know.

dcarter

[brendan]

skype is closed source, as they use a means of connecting that was, and may still be, encrypted end-to-end and that they wanted to keep proprietary. i am not sure if gizmoproject is closed source or not, but ekiga is fully open source.

the cost of making phone calls comes into play when calling phones that are not IP based, i.e. cell/mobile phones or traditional landlines. the carrier of those types of phones run a "use-my-bridge, then-pay-my-fee" network, and in order to access/ring up on their network, you have to pay. thats really the only time costs come into play for VoIP calls (aside from the needed broadband connection).

[benny1967]

-but isn't the real reason that skype (and gizmo and gtalk voice) are not open and hackable is so you can't hack it to make free phone calls round the world, 24/7?

I for one can feel the big-money pressure of phone companies riding the partially-stillborn voip wave- at least here in fubar USA. 'wouldn't wan't folks to make free phone calls, ya'know.

dcarter

Not really; Skype is closed source because their (=eBay's) business model depends on it for other reasons. They use not only a closed source application but, even worse, a proprietary protocol that's incompatible with everything else out there.

Applications that use open protocols (usually SIP, sometimes H.323 or Jabber/Jingle) may choose to be free software or not. Usually they will be free software.

Earning money for PC2Phone-Calls is not a matter of software or proprietary protocols. I can make PC-to-phone calls (and phone to PC) with my SIP-based software; I pay a local company to provide the gateway. They do not require the protocol or the software to be proprietary, quite on the contrary: They tell customers to use standard software so they don't have to develop their own. Each call means that you log into their server - very much like you log into your Amazon account: you can do so using a free browser and the open HTTP&HTML-framework, can't you?

[dcarter]

uhh yeah, I guess....
I just don't really care that much about it.....That is what my cell phone is for.
Although it is really neat making phone calls through my cell phone with the N800, I must admit.


this thread is too intense for me!!!

dcarter

[euchreprof]

I have been reading this thread for a few days and all I have to say is... WHAT ABOUT ME?

[Texrat]

I have been reading this thread for a few days and all I have to say is... WHAT ABOUT ME?

Good question!

If you're willing to be passive-aggressive, hypocritical and feigning martyrdom, you'll fit right in!

Of course, you've got some stiff competition there, so get cracking!

;)

[sapporobaby]

I have been reading this thread for a few days and all I have to say is... WHAT ABOUT ME?

If your willing to be a bell-end you are out of luck. Someone from a southern states already has dibs on that, but you seem like a nice guy so I would say no need to get involved. :)

[fcassia]

Dude, I hear you. I was surprised as well but in the meeting, they said that Flash and Ajax are more compatible to the way the tablet is designed. Not from a technical aspect but from a user experience aspect. The Nokia guys said that less and less Java is playing an important part in website design and Flash/Ajax is coming more to the forefront. ".

Which shows the utter ignorance of this people.

"Java is NOT just applets, stupid!" (should be the message to them).

Have they heard of J2ME? How about full client-side Java? Bet they didn't hear about that either!. Sheesh!. With the device's memory, it could as well run full Java Swing apps, if there was a JVM available.

Perhaps they should pay a visit to
http://www.java.com/en/desktop/
and
http://www.java.com/en/mobile/

I can't stand it when clueless managers think they have a clue but they don't.

[adamibra]

(removed -- post considered as attack to members.)

[GeneralAntilles]

/insane rant


OMG, I haven't laughed so hard in DAYS. THANK YOU!

[euchreprof]

#@!$@#$!@ I missed it! What did he say? Most important.......... WAS ANYTHING SAID ABOUT ME?

[DCr33P]

Guys, the most important question is: wtf is going on?
...Why don't we all take our tablets and remind ourselves how nice they are...then we can enjoy our little internet tablet community and stand up against the whole ppc,palm and m$ fraction as one team, represented by the ITT forum ! ... Think positive... Sex, drugs & Rock'n'roll ;-)

peace :-):-):-)

[flareup]

one of the things I like about this forum (apart from it's obvious uses as a 770/800 user re apps and genuine heads-up info from the likes of texrat) is the absence of the need for any real admin-meddling due to its healthy self-regulating sarky banter.

It's also one of the very, very few forums that I've ever used that lacks "flaming" pointless web-arguments from people with nothing better to do with their lives.

I'd like to publically ask reggie to look carefully at sapporobaby's posts in this thread, particularly the overt homophobia and continuous personal attacks which he launches into in response to the slightest disagrement posts.

At first, I was willing to believe that such behaviour was perhaps something to do with posting in English as a second language or something, and mis-firing as an attempt to do some kind of percieved colloquial web-banter, but now I simply cannot believe that such a character could really be any older than 16 and certainly not hold any kind of hi-flying governmental/nokia interfacing job position.

I've never used the "ignore" function here before either. Just going to find and implement it now and try to get the forum back to the enjoyable experience it previously was before this person came along.

[euchreprof]

Someone just sent me the deleted post above... I-N-S-A-N-E!!

PS: BTW... my name wasn't mentioned in the post. It's official... I am a nobody. :(

[Texrat]

Sorry euchre.

...di I get bashed? :D

[euchreprof]

Sorry euchre.

...di I get bashed? :D


Yes! Repeatedly!! (But if I repeated even 1 sentence on here I would probably be banned forever)

Texrat= A somebody (I am so jealous)

[fpp]

Oh yeah, something good. Wanna see ? :-)

[Texrat]

Wow, a real honor. I'd love to see the press!

[TA-t3]

Which shows the utter ignorance of this people.

"Java is NOT just applets, stupid!" (should be the message to them).

Have they heard of J2ME? How about full client-side Java? Bet they didn't hear about that either!. Sheesh!. With the device's memory, it could as well run full Java Swing apps, if there was a JVM available.


Hm, so Nokia don't want either java applets or full client-side Java on the N800? That's _extremely_ unfortunate. Personally I don't mind so much the java applications, but java applets (as in java applet support in the browser) is _critical_ because it's not like you can just replace the applet with something else: My bank uses a little java applet to pass through the security stuff, after that it's just https as usual. But without the java applet support I can't access my bank on the go, which is what the N800 is for: Networking on the go. And there's nothing I can do about it. If I call the bank and ask them to rewrite their netbank to use ajax or something I would be as a minimum laughed at, or called an idiot.

[Texrat]

I call bs on the source of the java quote.

[euchreprof]

Wow, a real honor. I'd love to see the press!


10 people so far asked me for a copy... i deleted it right after I got it though. I would have kept it if I knew people wanted it. BUT... I know who still has it.

[SeRi@lDiE]

:confused: I say no to drugs? :confused:

[sapporobaby]

@TA-t3,

You are more than correct. As I stated/wrote, when I mentioned Java (not as implementing this feature, but as to why it was not there) I was told that Java is not a bad idea but there are several different flavors, requiring JVM's. Flash and Ajax would be easier implementations I suppose. For my client, the US military, Java is not an important issue the things we are looking for do not require it.

Time will tell if Java is implemented. If so, then Nokia changed their mind, I was wrong and you will get to access your bank. If no, then well....... I wouldn't hand my hat on waiting for a clarification. We will see what shakes loose in the next OS release.

[YoDude]

I call bs on the source of the java quote.


It may have been convoluted from Job's recent remarks about the iPhone...

There has been much Internet discussion, for example on Javalobby about Steve Jobs comments on Java ME .

"Java’s not worth building in [to the phone]" and
"It’s this big heavyweight ball and chain."

Many people have taken this to be an attack on Java ME. However, I see it a bit differently. You have to put this into context.

The iPhone is playing catch up. The iPhone hardware and software teams have had (and still have) a lot of technologies to put together. They obviously evaluated Java ME at some stage and correctly identified that it would take a very large amount of effort to support the current (and future) JSRs. Over a relatively longer period of time, OS and phone OEM companies in the Java ME ecosystem have expended (and continue to invest) very significant amounts of effort to support Java ME. I believe it just wasn’t seen to be worth (financially sensible) porting onto the iPhone and would have represented an onward financial ‘ball and chain’. Hence, Apple may have arrived too late to join the Java ME club - because late membership has become too expensive.

http://mobilephonedevelopment.com/archives/328

In any event the costs would be true for "building it in" to any device...

However, anybody can d'load a JVM for Linux from IBM for the cost of registration and a promise not to do evil things with it. >> http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/websphere/zones/wireless/weme_eval_runtimes.html#N10048

From there it may be just a matter of porting it to Maemo...
I don't have the skills and I'm sure there would be keyboard issues but hey, it's out there. :)

[Nik1]

The N800 IT is great piece of technology, I only wish they focused a little bit more on the internet part of it .... Video streaming is still very choppy and crashes on loading some newer webpages they need to improve on Web 2.0 features.
And as for Skype, I really wish they implemented it instead of Google Talk, which I havent used once yet. Hopefully the upcoming release of the iphone will give Nokia jump start.

[Mika73]

Are Skype/OS update coming soon?

Any news whats updated?

:)

[euchreprof]

Are Skype/OS update coming soon?

Any news whats updated?

:)


Word on the street is... COMING SOON!!

[sapporobaby]

Word on the street is... COMING SOON!!

You didn't by chance sign an NDA did you before you released this tidbit of global information?

[Nik1]

Word on the street is... COMING SOON!!

Soon as in 6-8 weeks? ....

[Milhouse]

Soon as in 6-8 weeks? ....

Skype was always planned for Q2. My guess is we'll get new firmware (with Skype) on Friday 29 June. :)

[WhatsTheScience]

i got $5 on may 18th. Just a hunch, not based on secret meeting info.

place your bets...

[neiljerram]

Just because the rest of us don't mingle in your childish bickering, doesn't mean we don't care, or have opinions.

Milhouse and Texrat are old-timers here, and they have been unfailingly courteous, knowledgeable and helpful to the community at large. I've just skimmed through your less-than-200 postings here, and there is not much actual content there, mostly questions, snide or disparaging remarks, and some bragging. And, of course, snapping back tirelessly at any criticism aimed your way (which you will undoubtedly do again for this post, however uselessly).

I'm not one to use killfiles or ignore-lists, but your empty rants have long since ceased to amuse me, if they ever did. YOU are the exception in these otherwise helpful and good-natured forums, not people like Tex and Mil.

If it ever comes to choosing between the like of you and the like of them, I won't even have to think for a split second.

(I won't say any more in this thread, whatever you do. It's just to let you know where you stand).

That's my view too.

- Neil

[sapporobaby]

That's my view too.

- Neil

*** Sigh ***

[DryLand404]

Skype was always planned for Q2. My guess is we'll get new firmware (with Skype) on Friday 29 June. :)

YAY - I get to reload all my software!!!

[sapporobaby]

YAY - I get to reload all my software!!!

Did you try the backup feature. It works pretty well. I did this for the last software update and it made re-installing a bit quicker, but then again I have heard it said that a backup is sort of like doing an oil change and putting back the old oil, so you never know.

[Nik1]

Will Skype be built into the UI like Google Talk or will it run like any other application?