Nokia MeeGo UX leaked?

[johnny_knoe]

Is it real?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDp1MGlfGQ8

[tissot]

Bah 2 minutes late to post it!

Sure looks like. Home and back button are straight from the harmattan preview Widget Gallery and from the leaked harmattan picture year ago.

Btw anybody remember this old pic of Nokia's Direct UI shown long time ago?
http://news.idealo.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/nokia-ui-concept.jpg

[NOMOS]

Yes, I saw your comment on MR, and you were just a tad late to spread the news here :) Is it me or is MR changing into fanboy central?

Edit: Ovi purchasing proces looks pretty good in there.

[tissot]

Yes, I saw your comment on MR, and you were just a tad late to spread the news here :) Is it me or is MR changing into fanboy central?

It has always been one big place of fanboys(me included). :D
But aswell best place to find about not yet released phones and overall great community.

[lfcobra]

neat looking interface for sure. I just hope with all those snazzy animation the real thing runs as fast as the demo...

[johnny_knoe]

Yeah, OVI looks nice, but i hope a PDF reader is intergrated by default :)

[NOMOS]

Good point

[Viipottaja]

Hopefully the big/stick out home bar gets a new, less intrusive looking design. Otherwise looks very promising. Although as a Facebook-almost-non-user.. vomit. Get a life people and stop sharing it with everyone you think you know. :p

[ahmadamaj]

any specs so far?

[Viipottaja]

Specs of the UI? ;)

Yes, plenty of speculation. Just google Nokia N9 and you'll find some supposed lists.

[ahmadamaj]

no specs of the phone shown in the second post...

[Dariu5]

At the corner of video is note - "© Nokia 2009/2010 - Secret" :)

[inkirby]

Waaaaaaaaahhhhhh... there are 2 cursor inside the video!
...

Anyway, it looks good!
Better than nowdays UI(especially the wallpaper...).
But, to wait should be too long time, I think.

[johnny_knoe]

Multimouse - the next big thing...

[TheBootroo]

i can't decide if this is an Harmattan ou Symbian^4 leak because both are going to be really similar and Direct UI will be used by both ...

http://onlygizmos.com/symbian-os-4-proposal-by-nokia-ui-screenshots/2010/01/

[Diph]

Waaaaaaaaahhhhhh... there are 2 cursor inside the video!
...
I think it's running on desktop computer.

[Chrome]

At first i was like :eek: but then I was like :eek:

[Viipottaja]

TheBootroo, its Meego.

Ahmadamaj, I think that's just a UI concept and the hardware is not the real thing.

Couple of observations:

Note how the (ugly-ish) home bar disappears in many of the screens, leaving just the thin status bar in sight.

Also, looks like the music player is JUST a music player finally, and not mixing videos in the same app! HOORAY! And there is new TV&Video icon in the menu.. interesting.

[cjp]

I'm willing to believe that this is it. Goddamn that's sweet!

Don't know why text entry fields must be so narrow that its hard to hit. The device will be running capacitive, though so maybe its ok. << My only gripe about the whole thing! woowoo

[Viipottaja]

Yeah.. hopefully the sweet spot is wider/taller than the actual area... and hopefully the area expands if you write a longer input.

Room for for five menu screens in this demo/build it seems (five dots at the top of of the menu view).

[lucas777]

So is this what it will look like on the N900 if we do get a community version?...

[jmangs]

Looks pretty nice. Hopefully we get it for the N900. :)

[aligatro]

Who cares about MeeGo ?

[cjp]

If you look at the titles up at the top they go like this:

"1. Starting up and signing in", "2. Powerful multitasking", "3. Get connected" etc... we're only seeing parts 3-5 here. Parts 1 and 2 still floating about somewhere?

[tissot]

Those who care Eldar Murtazin said indeed that this is the UI running on the first Nokia MeeGo device.

I sure hope so because this looks miles better than the vanilla MeeGo IMO.

[michou]

I think it looks quite slick as a UI. My only hope is that there will be multiple homescreens like in maemo at the moment with possibility of adding contacts, apps and widgets to the homescreens. Doesn't look likely though, haven't seen multiple homescreens till date on a single concept of Meego.

[radiowc]

Wow! I want it...cant wait.

[Viipottaja]

Michou, agree. Hope there is more than one. As I noted earlier looks like at least 5 menu screens though. And the leaked "UI guideline" talked about a separate widget area, IIRC accessed from the menu by sweeping up or down or something like that.

[cjp]

Those who care Eldar Murtazin said indeed that this is the UI running on the first Nokia MeeGo device.

I sure hope so because this looks miles better than the vanilla MeeGo IMO.

You can say that again. I'm so relieved.

[Odd_gunnic]

The home screen shows an internet icon and also a firefox icon, I thought the browser was gonna be fennec by default. Could Micro B be making an appearance on meego too?

[Rauha]

If you look at the titles up at the top they go like this:

"1. Starting up and signing in", "2. Powerful multitasking", "3. Get connected" etc... we're only seeing parts 3-5 here. Parts 1 and 2 still floating about somewhere?
Anybody else get the feeling that the video is from some kind of focus group test software?

[cjp]

The home screen shows an internet icon and also a firefox icon, I thought the browser was gonna be fennec by default. Could Micro B be making an appearance on meego too?

Or maybe even the leaked Ovi browser... ! O.o

[ysss]

Around the Ovi store part (40ish seconds) there's an "Ahem" in the background and some muffled talk about "iOS compatibility layer"... can anyone make out what he's really saying?

I've maxed out my volume and used a headphone but I can't even tell if he's speaking english?

[cjp]

Around the Ovi store part (40ish seconds) there's an "Ahem" in the background and some muffled talk about "iOS compatibility layer"... can anyone make out what he's really saying?

I've maxed out my volume and used a headphone but I can't even tell if he's speaking english?

I don't hear anything at all :confused:

[NvyUs]

i think he's just making fun b/c the installing bar on app icon is iOS like.

[ysss]

I don't hear anything at all :confused:

Sorry, it must be this koolaid I'm drinking...

[daperl]

Around the Ovi store part (40ish seconds) there's an "Ahem" in the background and some muffled talk about "iOS compatibility layer"... can anyone make out what he's really saying?

I've maxed out my volume and used a headphone but I can't even tell if he's speaking english?

What are you, deaf? He's a she. And she says, "ysss compatibility liar."

[optimistprime]

nokia is supposed to have a meego/harmattan device in q4 right? If so they have to be reasonably close to the UI for it right? I mean to have videos for marketing, the Nokia sites and stuff, they should be on the final leg of it.

[ysss]

Anybody else get the feeling that the video is from some kind of focus group test software?

Must be a subliminal message from your eyes reading the video description :D

MeeGo OS running on a Mobile phone
From: sriraj1126 | August 02, 2010 | 315 views

MeeGo OS running on a mobile phone. Was captured during a Survey on Mobile phones


What are you, deaf? He's a she. And she says, "ysss compatibility liar."

@daperl: arghhh, you've decoded my username...

[danramos]

Those who care Eldar Murtazin said indeed that this is the UI running on the first Nokia MeeGo device.

I sure hope so because this looks miles better than the vanilla MeeGo IMO.

I hope they're committing this much-improved UI back into the MeeGo project as open-source, the way Nokia likes to brag about committing back into the Linux kernel whenever Android comes up.

[etuoyo]

Looks niiiice. I love it. Nokia please don't make me buy another of your products!!! I don't trust you anymore.

[gerbick]

Ok... Nokia is back on my radar.

[PradaBrada]

Nothing special, actually this looks more like Symbian, its like a step backward from Maemo

[Viipottaja]

How is is it a step back? Not saying it is or is not, just asking if you could specify why you think so?

[maguitodelrock]

ok this gonna be my next device ASAP

[NvyUs]

Nothing special, actually this looks more like Symbian, its like a step backward from Maemo

you need new spectacles if you think that looks like symbian.

[maguitodelrock]

you need new spectacles if you think that looks like symbian.

He's a troll, dont bother...

[wolf1]

I dont find the ui design nice, too messy. i think maemo 5 is by far better although i want to have meego too on the n900.

[gill_za]

Oh man I just hope that all that bloated Social networking integration can be turned off and removed so it will not crap up the UI for those of us who are not Facebook friendly...

[sjgadsby]

Oh man I just hope that all that bloated Social networking integration can be turned off and removed so it will not crap up the UI for those of us who are not Facebook friendly...

Nope. It's in the small print on the back of the retail box:

This is an Ovi and Facebook device. Registration with Ovi and Facebook required.

[optimistprime]

yeah, I'm not big on the social networking thing.( No facebook,myspace, or twitter) but heavy into rss feeds. It actually looks pretty nice. I was on the fence about getting the N8, but I think I'm gonna pass and wait for this.

[Viipottaja]

I would imagine you do not get any Facebook etc. updates if you are not a member of Facebook.. :p On a serious note, I fully agree. And also trust that it can be turned off in the homescreen.

[gill_za]

Nope. It's in the small print on the back of the retail box:

Oh Krishna almighty please tell me this man is just kidding... right???:D

[PradaBrada]

you need new spectacles if you think that looks like symbian.

Symbian^3

http://static.onlinesocialmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Nokia-N8-Symbian%5E3.jpg

MeeGo

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/3885/meego.png

[Brunorange]

Eh those pictures prove what!? One is square same size widgets (Symbian ^3) the other some kind of talkbubbles from social networks in a big widget. (meego) :p

Oh yeah the contacts, Phone and email buttons are almost identical as the ones on n900 just different color. :D

[sjgadsby]

<pictures>

Yep, translucent rounded rectangles in both. Worse, they both use standard "triangle for play"-type media controls. They're identical.

Only one question remains: which one is the evil twin.

[Viipottaja]

I thought you said they look the same?

[michou]

Lets be honest here, most of the OS's out there for touch screens look very similar, let it be iOS, Android or webOS. But the differences are found in the usability and the structure of the OS. Based on this demo, Meego is looking good, in my humble opinion.

[gerbick]

I gotta side with Prada on this one. I see similarities; definite Nokia DNA on both. Perhaps why I liked Maemo 4 and Maemo 5 - less Nokia DNA in both of those.

Regardless... to dismiss the "family" resemblance would be a tad bit hasty. I can see it.

[PradaBrada]

I thought you said they look the same?

'looks more like'

Also has the same font and none-gridless widget placing and dashboard with X to close in the corner.

The biggest differences is the buttons at the bottom

[Viipottaja]

Actually, S^3 has a grid and fixed shape for widgets. That will be gone in S^4 of course.

And of course they have similarities - all UIs do. And they should have some resemblence from Nokia's point of view (and perhaps even from Qt app ease of development point of view) to make them more instantly recognizable as Nokias.

[jmangs]

Symbian^3

http://static.onlinesocialmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Nokia-N8-Symbian%5E3.jpg

MeeGo

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/3885/meego.png

I think the MeeGo version looks better - the Symbian^3 version looks just like Symbian 5th Ed to me...

[PradaBrada]

Actually, S^3 has a grid and fixed shape for widgets. That will be gone in S^4 of course.

And of course they have similarities - all UIs do. And they should have some resemblence from Nokia's point of view (and perhaps even from Qt app ease of development point of view) to make them more instantly recognizable as Nokias.

My point is Maemo 5 was and is better. The 'fancy' transitions are nothing to write home about

If they wanted to impress anyone they should've just done a scaled down version of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4vv7yFaqxw)

[mikecomputing]

Yeah, OVI looks nice, but i hope a PDF reader is intergrated by default :)

If its not we have okular and evince and its faster than adobes own crap atleast true on the desktop Linux and maybe also on MeeGo :-D

[mikecomputing]

Who cares about MeeGo ?

I do, As a developer I prefer Meego cause i can use C++/C and Python. Android is just overhyped OS like Iphone.

There are alot of Open Source developers out there that agree with me.

If you want an android buy and Android from HTC or similar and give up about Nokia will do it cause it will never happen.

[crown77]

okay Nokia if this is PR 1.3 we are friends again ...dreaming .. so hard to see what they suddenly can do for there new Devices a halve year after the N900 ..but it seems like they want to do something now.. but why hmm maybe for a new Cashflow..my 2 cents

[PradaBrada]

OVI looks nice

Are you kidding me? Ovi makes me wanna puke

Adobe Reader Lite 2.5 for €9? :eek: GTFO!
Adobe Reader Full 9 is FREE on Android

[cjp]

Well if you think its messy or not as good looking as Maemo5, then Nokia's probably hitting the spot with the mainstream audience at least. ;)

And trust me when I say, that is cool. [/totally ignoring chance of personal opinions]

BTW: I don't think the transitions will work out quite like that on the device. This is like a powerpoint more than anything. Everything's a bit jerky.

[NOMOS]

So Prada, you respond to his point of something looking nice, by stating the apps in the demo are too expensive. Smart.

[PradaBrada]

Well if you think its messy or not as good looking as Maemo5, then Nokia's probably hitting the spot with the mainstream audience at least. ;)

And trust me when I say, that is cool. [/totally ignoring chance of personal opinions]

BTW: I don't think the transitions will work out quite like that on the device. This is like a powerpoint more than anything. Everything's a bit jerky.

Mainstream is iOS, Android w/ HTC Sense and Sony's Mediascape/Timescape UI

This along with Samsung Bada, Symbian and KIRF OS' look like tacky imitations of mainstream

[PradaBrada]

So Prada, you respond to his point of something looking nice, by stating the apps in the demo are too expensive. Smart.

Sky is blue, grass is green, Ovi store is ****.

[mohannad]

So Prada, you respond to his point of something looking nice, by stating the apps in the demo are too expensive. Smart.

Thats Prada for you.

The UI does look nice although I have to admit I was hoping the nokia meego UI would be similar to the meego tablet UI demoed not too long ago. In any case, nothing is official until nokia says it is.

[colm.smyth]

It looks pretty real, and Nokia finally you are listening, its looking like a good UI.

http://irelandstechnologyblog.blogspot.com/

[PradaBrada]

Thats Prada for you.

Open that joke called 'Ovi Store' on N900 then get back to me :o

[NOMOS]

Open that joke called 'Ovi Store' on N900 then get back to me :o

Which again, has nothing to do with how the store looks in the video. Can you not contain your frustration?

[rainmaster]

looks really great....looking forward to this

[Rugoz]

Is it somehow possible for the community to ban certain members?

Just asking..

[gryedouge]

but it is those certain members who make this community all the more worthwhile.

[deadmalc]

So no-one noticed the Adobe reader "optimized for S40" ?

[attila77]

i can't decide if this is an Harmattan ou Symbian^4 leak because both are going to be really similar and Direct UI will be used by both ...

Unless I missed an announcement, directui (called MeeGo Touch Framework nowadays) will be used by MeeGo and Orbit (called uiemo nowadays) will be used by Symbian^4.

[attila77]

Is it somehow possible for the community to ban certain members?

Just asking..

We have ignore lists.

[theflew]

Mainstream is iOS, Android w/ HTC Sense and Sony's Mediascape/Timescape UI

This along with Samsung Bada, Symbian and KIRF OS' look like tacky imitations of mainstream

Mainstream today doesn't mean the best for tomorrow. It just means someone has thought far enough out of the box to lead.

[un-named_user]

So no-one noticed the Adobe reader "optimized for S40" ?

Looks like it says S60 5th Edition.

[devu]

My point is Maemo 5 was and is better. The 'fancy' transitions are nothing to write home about

If they wanted to impress anyone they should've just done a scaled down version of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4vv7yFaqxw)

It's definitely something I was expected from MeeGoo. The current version is like polished Symbian but how the GUI looks like is not so important as how its behave or how flexible it is for developers/designers.

Design as we know can be always improved changed by theme designers. I am fairly sure somebody here can do something similar with Theme on N900 very similar to that. IF flexibility of GUI let them unify certain elements of it. Because the biggest concern about maemo5 is there is lack of consistency if you look at of some of your widgets on the screen everything looks like telling you different story.

In this case base on what I saw is just eye candy marketing bulshit and I am not getting it till i'll see how its functioning. Why this guy doing long pauses... intentionally? Waiting for processor to calm down to hide choppy behaviour?

Seeing is believing somebody said... NO THESE DAYS.

I have seen flash 10.1 on N900 months ago and what?...

Touching is a new seeing these days ;)

[raptoro07]

This looks like symbian^4. search youtube and it looks more like the official demos than meego.

[Viipottaja]

No, its Nokia's demo version of Meego for sure (i.e. its not S^4 if that's what you meant); confirmed by people I know know. :)

[Odd_gunnic]

I sure hope they keep the internet radio, I have grown to love the capability to bookmark some far away radio stations

[christexaport]

Mainstream is iOS, Android w/ HTC Sense and Sony's Mediascape/Timescape UI

This along with Samsung Bada, Symbian and KIRF OS' look like tacky imitations of mainstream

mainstream definition:
a prevailing current or direction of activity or influence. the normal, standard, well known.

Symbian = 45%
Android = 19%
Android w/Sense = >19%
Android w/Timescape and Mediascape = >19%
iOS = 14%


By this definition, Symbian is mainstream. But you may subscribe to Apple's definition, since they're the biggest company in mobile now. LOL! Ignore the buzz and start using facts to make your point next time.

[gerbick]

Not trying to talk for him; however I think the comparison of Maemo 5 vs. Apple iOS and Android would prove his point right about what's mainstream since we're at a Maemo forum and Apple iOS and Android were mentioned.

As was Symbian and that's a bad usage in that regard.

OT: Chris... did you ever get your N900 fixed? I saw you were in a pickle for a while there. Just wondering.

[agogo]

Looks like it says S60 5th Edition.

It seems like generic text copied from an existing Ovi Store app.
just checked Ovi store and Quickoffice's website and the latest version is 2.5. I don't think the existing version will be supported by this upcoming device.

http://store.ovi.com/content/2579?clickSource=search

[juahan]

It seems like generic text copied from an existing Ovi Store app.
just checked Ovi store and Quickoffice's website and the latest version is 2.5. I don't think the existing version will be supported by this upcoming device.

http://store.ovi.com/content/2579?clickSource=search

Yes, I'm sure it is there just for demonstration purposes and has no implications what so ever with the final Ovi store program selection for Meego.

Also, as it has already come up, the video is just a pc-simulated view part of the user experience testing. In the testing situation there is a pc that simulates the user interface and test-user all are given tasks that they have to complete. Everything is recorded (user inputs, user commentary audio etc.) and analysed afterwards.

So that is most propably almost final layout of the Nokia mobile Meego UX, but there might be some slight adjustments according to the testing.

[Jaco2k]

mainstream definition:
a prevailing current or direction of activity or influence. the normal, standard, well known.

Symbian = 45%
Android = 19%
Android w/Sense = >19%
Android w/Timescape and Mediascape = >19%
iOS = 14%


By this definition, Symbian is mainstream. But you may subscribe to Apple's definition, since they're the biggest company in mobile now. LOL! Ignore the buzz and start using facts to make your point next time.

I always love it when someone pulls out these market share figures as an argument. Yeah. Cause it is that head in the sand thinking that prevents inovation in Nokia. Stop looking at the sales and look at brand value and usability/inovation and let's see what is what. A leader cannot be measured or defined as 'the one with more sales'.

A good example: the music industry. For me, most of the artists with more sales are crap... ;)

[cjp]

What's this near flamewar we have going on here all of the sudden? And its on an offtopic discussion! :)

Let's get back to the topic: has anyone got any contacts that might give us the parts 1 and 2 of this slideshow/video?

EDIT: Here's a refresher of the memory, by the way:

http://mobileroar.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/maemo1.jpg

The UI video actually looks somewhat consistent with this image, don't you think?

Now I wonder what happened to the Calendar-Location-Contacts integration that this "screenie" shows?

[ysss]

mainstream definition:
a prevailing current or direction of activity or influence. the normal, standard, well known.

Symbian = 45%
Android = 19%
Android w/Sense = >19%
Android w/Timescape and Mediascape = >19%
iOS = 14%


By this definition, Symbian is mainstream. But you may subscribe to Apple's definition, since they're the biggest company in mobile now. LOL! Ignore the buzz and start using facts to make your point next time.

How much of that 45% is relevant? (As in, it's installed and configured as something that's classified as a 'smartphone')

Where is Blackberry?

[inkirby]

http://mobileroar.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/maemo1.jpg


Looks great! (again)
If Nokia just "make it happens" at least one thing to our N900,
maybe I would fly away...

[cpate99]

hopefully thats just user preferance!

[jnack95]

Sure hope you don't have to use it in portrait mode!

[juahan]

http://mobileroar.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/maemo1.jpg

The UI video actually looks somewhat consistent with this image, don't you think?

Now I wonder what happened to the Calendar-Location-Contacts integration that this "screenie" shows?

I would say that this calendar-image is from tablet version, I can't see that small mobile screen would be able to accomodate that much information simultaniously.

[ericj23]

I always love it when someone pulls out these market share figures as an argument. Yeah. Cause it is that head in the sand thinking that prevents inovation in Nokia. Stop looking at the sales and look at brand value and usability/inovation and let's see what is what. A leader cannot be measured or defined as 'the one with more sales'.

A good example: the music industry. For me, most of the artists with more sales are crap... ;)

You might like unsuccessful artists - but just because you like them does not make them leaders or have brand value or more innovation

Nokia R&D budget is enormous and they have massess of patents (you know like innovation) - like the one they are suing apple over about aerials - hence the iphone 4 clusterf

What nokia haven't done is levereaged their products using anti-competitve practices (tieing them to providers etc) in order to maximise profits - which might not be great for shareholders, but who gives a monkeys about fatcats anyways - it is good for customers

[sunwong]

I remember that when this image leaked to the net, they said this was a pannable landscape desktop capture from Harmattan.

I am looking forward to this kind of integration since the image was released a year ago, so I hope it has not been put off... :-)

[vins]

from what i see, the meego integrates into facebook very well. that's just the very killer app for conquering indonesian market. blackberries sells very well here because they get instant notification and the mail links directly to the facebook app, which is so nice. i dont know the statistics but i bet indonesian market is 5-big for nokia (shame for us who get along the day with facebook and do less work)

anyway, why unlike apple, nokia is sort of like a transparant company where everyone can see what it's doing? that's no good in business sense where competitors can copy the ideas.

[danramos]

anyway, why unlike apple, nokia is sort of like a transparant company where everyone can see what it's doing? that's no good in business sense where competitors can copy the ideas.

Like those failures, Red Hat, Canonical and CollabNet. Stupid transparent companies. Will they never learn?

[vins]

'stupid' best describes it. hahah

[F2thaK]

me likey...

[cjp]

It's just always been Nokia's policy to be open about a lot of things.

But this here is a genuine leak, not Nokia letting everyone know what's been cookin'. Nokia is a gigantic company when comparing to, say Apple, so controlling a leak is a lot more difficult.

[michou]

Today's software market let it be mobile or PC, all UI's are copying and mimicking each other. The main thing is if Nokia can make its UI (I hate to use this word) intuitive.

From observing Android, WebOS and iOS the differences between these UI's are subtle, and non of the fore mentioned OS's are perfect, far from it. If Nokia can get an even balance of attractiveness and usability with Meego, and capitalize by getting right what its competitors have got wrong, it might be in for a chance to dominate again the smartphone market.

[ossipena]

Like those failures, Red Hat, Canonical and CollabNet. Stupid transparent companies. Will they never learn?


are you trying to distract discussion for some intentional reason?

those all have very different business model compared to nokia. or are they making cellphones nowadays?

[F2thaK]

Today's software market let it be mobile or PC, all UI's are copying and mimicking each other. The main thing is if Nokia can make its UI (I hate to use this word) intuitive.

From observing Android, WebOS and iOS the differences between these UI's are subtle, and non of the fore mentioned OS's are perfect, far from it. If Nokia can get an even balance of attractiveness and usability with Meego, and capitalize by getting right what its competitors have got wrong, it might be in for a chance to dominate again the smartphone market.

too many maybes and what-ifs

but I want nokia to prove me wrong! please

[naabi]

I sure hope they release a Meego that has hardware specs that are comparable to competitors even after some time. No way Meego is going to catch others right from the start even if the phone and UI would be superior. Meego is missing the application and service portfolio that others already have, and it's going to take some time to get the community (yeah, the commercial one) behind Meego. On the other hand I'm kind of worried about the open source community, since Ovi Store might attract many developers that are currently doing their stuff open source.

If you do a proper device, you can sell it for a long time. Look what Apple does. Not even sure, whether it's proper device though.

And please market it properly. Show that you can do the stuff properly just using the device. You can download music, podcasts etc. Show for the travellers that you have offline maps with no need for roaming. There are special things, but they sure try keep the information hidden from the crowds.

Completely off-topic.

[daddeddad]

I would say that this calendar-image is from tablet version, I can't see that small mobile screen would be able to accomodate that much information simultaniously.

I would beg to differ. When I opened the picture in portrait mode it fitted quite well to the screen. Seemed very usable IMHO.

[IzzehO]

Wow 11 pages so fast, skimmed the first few. But has anyone else noticed how big the screen looks? (Or how relatively large it is compared to the buttons?) Looks like N800 sized.

I'll definitely come crawling back for more from Nokia if this is what we get!

Also as an aside, any chance Maemo reps will be compatable with MeeGo out of the box? (Assuming the libs are all ported?)

[vins]

Wow 11 pages so fast, skimmed the first few. But has anyone else noticed how big the screen looks? (Or how relatively large it is compared to the buttons?) Looks like N800 sized.

I'll definitely come crawling back for more from Nokia if this is what we get!

Also as an aside, any chance Maemo reps will be compatable with MeeGo out of the box? (Assuming the libs are all ported?)

boy, just get a screen dot pitch like n900 or iphone 4 then the image would scaled down to 3inch or less. it should be compatible because apps are either in qt or gtk, cmiiw

don't want to drive this thread off topic but i must argue that nokia should be more secretive about upcoming devices and ux. first it will drive copying from competitors (not the ux, but the idea). and second it will repell off those potential buyer thinking that they'll wait because if they buy now their device will obsolete before even a year

[gerbick]

After what I've seen, this UI is derivative of many bits and pieces that clearly have Nokia DNA. They've not tipped their hand at all, imho.

In fact, all they've accomplished was a show that they are working on something that might be worth the wait. From Bada to iOS to Android Gingerbread... those UI's are pretty much set in stone in so many different ways that Maemo/MeeGo wouldn't use.

And besides, the Moblin, now MeeGo for tablets has been out in plain view for ages.

[leetut]

each 'leaked' preview of meego makes me less likely to buy into it, why nokia couldnt just get maemo5 right before moving on to meego totally baffles me!

[rash.m2k]

From what I can see Nokia are re-writing the whole UI, and probably most of the underlying s/w again and probably most of it from scratch as well.

As a s/w developer this is really not a good sign - Maemo5 was really good, it just needed some polishing and a nicer slimmer/package.

I'm afraid that after 6 months once we have a Nokia meego device it will fail to deliver, and Nokia will then jump onto another platform without thinking, CEO will step down and the whole cycle will start again.

They should stick to meego and make it very very good, thats the only way they will actually make a comeback.

[gerbick]

Out of curiosity, why would you say it's not a good thing?

[jnwi]

From what I can see Nokia are re-writing the whole UI, and probably most of the underlying s/w again and probably most of it from scratch as well.

As a s/w developer this is really not a good sign - Maemo5 was really good, it just needed some polishing and a nicer slimmer/package.

For any other project you'd be right, but Nokia has a really good reason for switching to Qt. The rewrite shouldn't make us doubt their competence.

[johnel]

For any other project you'd be right, but Nokia has a really good reason for switching to Qt. The rewrite shouldn't make us doubt their competence.

Yeah but QT was part of the PR1.2 update and the existing UI is more than adequate.

There is no reason to rewrite a new UI in QT unless you want to use the "cool" new library.

You could still rewrite the UI( in QT) in maemo without throwing everything else out and starting again.

[optimistprime]

Not to be too off topic here, but I was a bit hoping for something like the touchscreen tablet UI. Not that the one from the video was bad, but the tablet one kinda knocked my socks off. The handset one just makes me wanna smoke a doobie and build a lego death star.

Any word on that Meego tablet release date?

[cenwesi]

It's definitely something I was expected from MeeGoo. The current version is like polished Symbian but how the GUI looks like is not so important as how its behave or how flexible it is for developers/designers.

Design as we know can be always improved changed by theme designers. I am fairly sure somebody here can do something similar with Theme on N900 very similar to that. IF flexibility of GUI let them unify certain elements of it. Because the biggest concern about maemo5 is there is lack of consistency if you look at of some of your widgets on the screen everything looks like telling you different story.

In this case base on what I saw is just eye candy marketing bulshit and I am not getting it till i'll see how its functioning. Why this guy doing long pauses... intentionally? Waiting for processor to calm down to hide choppy behaviour?

Seeing is believing somebody said... NO THESE DAYS.

I have seen flash 10.1 on N900 months ago and what?...

Touching is a new seeing these days ;)

I totally agree with you here. Seeing is believing.... All these is just eye candy. Reminded me of the Sony Xperia X1. Man was i sold on that interface only to find out it was Windows 5.1 (can't recall the version anymore) interface. Guess what that phone is doing now.... Any way this video clip reminded me of the sony xperia adds any NO i am not falling for this one this time. Like Bob Marley said, only time will tell.

PS: I really wonder how Android Gingerbread and meego will pan out :)

[naabi]

There is no reason to rewrite a new UI in QT unless you want to use the "cool" new library.

Native Hildon widgets are not equal to widgets that Qt provides. I you want a uniform look and feel all over the UI, you need common building blocks. Of course this can be accomplished e.g. with GTK and Qt, but it's much simpler with one UI library. Especially when the platform and UI evolves constantly.

[NvyUs]

"This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Nokia Corporation. "
did anyone grab the video or mirror it?

[F2thaK]

hmmmm guess its legit then, ey?

[maxximuscool]

damn the video is removed by nokia! I'm a tad too late

[fuyoh]

any mirror of the vid ?

[johnny_knoe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INVlmjJKXjk&feature=player_embedded

[kryptoniankid17]

looks kind of like the n8s social network integration. loving this

[marioaguado]

Hello Guys,

I have a copy I download it the first day!!! just in case :)
this is the link if someone wants to have it.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/jo8sds

See ya!!!

[Milhouse]

Nokia really are hopeless at drumming up interest in their future products - what was to be gained from taking down this video? Unless it's completely unrepresentative of what is coming of course (which may not be a good thing either).

[maxximuscool]

the interface looks interesting.

[Viipottaja]

Well, one for one its incomplete for sure and some of the lag etc. in it is not particularly flattering, even if most folks would realize its not representative.

Secondly, it could well be a few months old and not what exactly what its like anymore.

Incidentally, a guy on thenokiablog comments claims a guy he knows (yeah I know..) works on the N9 and says the current UI is "much nicer".

Btw, also heard from a guy that talked to someone in Nokia (yeah, double "yeah I know..." ) that the N9 announcement in Nokia World was postponed "so as to not steal N8's thunder"... uncharacteristically I will no say: WTF!!!! I hope that not true as it would be one of the stupidest moves among many Nokia has made. :p

[Milhouse]

Well, one for one its incomplete for sure and some of the lag etc. in it is not particularly flattering, even if most folks would realize its not representative.

Secondly, it could well be a few months old and not what exactly what its like anymore.

Incidentally, a guy on thenokiablog comments claims a guy he knows (yeah I know..) works on the N9 and says the current UI is "much nicer".



Even so, this video was garnering a very positive response (look at the comments on engadget (http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/02/nokias-treatment-of-meego-smartphone-ui-revealed/)) at a time when positive responses in relation to Nokia are in very short supply.


Btw, also heard from a guy that talked to someone in Nokia (yeah, double "yeah I know..." ) that the N9 announcement in Nokia World was postponed "so as to not steal N8's thunder"... uncharacteristically I will no say: WTF!!!! I hope that not true as it would be one of the stupidest moves among many Nokia has made. :p

Have to disagree - announcing a successor to the N8 (as the N9 would be perceived to be) before the N8 is even launched would be highly counter-productive. Of course the situation would not have arisen in the first place had the N8 not been so delayed. The N9 announcement should happen once the N8 has actually launched.

[attila77]

They actually did something similar last year, too, with the N900 announcement being shifted to 'make room' for the N97 mini and X6. Though, from what we know, the N9 is not an N8 successor, in fact the N8 and N9 are fairly complementary with plenty of differences, so they shouldn't hurt each other that much... but who knows.

[Viipottaja]

I don't the announcement delay would lead to release (into shops) delay. So it's not about them being competing products, but about getting maximum media bang and attention.. Even so, I think not announcing at Nokia World would be a mistake. Right now Nokia needs a full on, full side, onslaught of an announcement from the low end (S40 TS) to top end (N9) and in between (services, C7, X7, E Series) to show that they are back in town and that their strategy is on track.

[Milhouse]

Though, from what we know, the N9 is not an N8 successor, in fact the N8 and N9 are fairly complementary with plenty of differences, so they shouldn't hurt each other that much... but who knows.

That's why I said "perceived" - unless Nokia get their marketing message nailed on, Joe Public will always think the N9 is better than the N8, if for no other reason than 9 is a bigger number than 8. Launching two phones that are in two different ranges (ie. N97 and X6) isn't such a problem but announcing another N-Series phone before the latest and greatest N-Series phone has even arrived in the market place probably would have a negative effect on sales of the latter.

[Milhouse]

I don't the announcement delay would lead to release (into shops) delay.

So why announce it and risk diluting the exposure that would otherwise be given to a shipping product (assuming the N8 is launched at NW)?

So it's not about them being competing products, but about getting maximum media bang and attention..

Yeah, just like deleting the video linked in this thread. Media bang and attention - that's what Nokia like (not). :)


Even so, I think not announcing at Nokia World would be a mistake. Right now Nokia needs a full on, full side, onslaught of an announcement from the low end (S40 TS) to top end (N9) and in between (services, C7, X7, E Series) to show that they are back in town and that their strategy is on track.

And where does the N8 fit in this? Nokia still need to get the message across about the difference between Symbian^3 and Maemo6/MeeGo - most consumers will be confused by the launch of a Symbian^3/N8 and then the announcement of a Maemo6/MeeGo/N9 device. Nokia need to get the N8 out there, hopefully bask in the great reviews and hammer home where the N8 is positioned in it's portfolio (last N-Series Symbian, or not?) then start nailing the Maemo/MeeGo message before announcing the N9 for the very top end.

Announcing the N9 too soon would achieve very little good and potentially do a lot of harm. Although as I've said, this wouldn't be the case if the N8 had shipped on time.

[Odd_gunnic]

What if the video was an old build but puposeful leak just to probe for public opinion?

[Milhouse]

What if the video was an old build but puposeful leak just to probe for public opinion?

Still pointless removing it - once something is out on the internet it's very difficult to take it back and trying to do so just appears foolish.

There are now multiple copies of the "Meego UI" video available on YouTube (and no doubt elsewhere), so what have Nokia gained by deleting the video other than (temporarily) breaking video links in articles that were giving Nokia some very welcome positive publicity?

[Sopwith]

They actually did something similar last year, too, with the N900 announcement being shifted to 'make room' for the N97 mini and X6. Though, from what we know, the N9 is not an N8 successor, in fact the N8 and N9 are fairly complementary with plenty of differences, so they shouldn't hurt each other that much... but who knows.

I don't really understand how can postponing a release be a profitable move any time. It's not like one Nokia product is cannibalizing another -- there are enough competitors outside of Nokia who will take care of eating Nokia's share. I say, once a device is ready, realease it, if you want more bang -- then release all your new phones with a common announcement; what do you care if someone will be so stunned by N9 that they won't notice N8, as long as they're getting a Nokia anyway.

Rant over...

[deadmalc]

What I'm wondering, given the video showing the Symbian version of Adobe Reader being installed, does this mean that Meego will run Symbian apps too?

I wouldn't have thought so, but it would be a great thing and would give a good start to apps on it...

[Milhouse]

I don't really understand how can postponing a release be a profitable move any time.

Nobody is suggesting Nokia are postponing a release of a product - the suggestion is only that the announcement of a product (the N9, which probably won't be released for a few more months) is being delayed to avoid taking the media limelight away from a real product launch (the N8).

Announce the N9 hardware in a couple of months. Between now and the hardware announcement drip feed hints to the media about the software and UI. Use this time to clarify any lingering confusion about Symbian and MeeGo that consumers may have, because many remain confused.

[Milhouse]

What I'm wondering, given the video showing the Symbian version of Adobe Reader being installed, does this mean that Meego will run Symbian apps too?

I wouldn't have thought so, but it would be a great thing and would give a good start to apps on it...

If the apps are Qt based, I think that is the idea... the only reason to recompile an app should be when changing architecture (ie. ARM <--> x86), but an ARM Qt app should run unchanged on MeeGo and Symbian. In theory. I think. :)

[optimistprime]

so has there been any real confirmation of a Nokia Meego phone for end of 2010? or is could this be like the n900 release that dragged on for a couple of months. Id like to Christmas gift myself a new phone this year and i was hoping itd be the Meego one.

[etuoyo]

Nokia is far too slow. Always having delays. Why can't they be like Apple and announce a release date and meet that date.

It is in a very problematic position right now. It's flagship device, N900, is not a mass market device and is not being readily sold anymore. It's claimed flagship deviced, N97, is like the most poorly rated smartphone.

Meanwhile there are loads of amazing android phones coming out as well as iphone 4 just released. It needed to get N8 out as soon as possible not postpone its release till September. Most people upgrading now will skip the current Nokia phones and will be unwilling to wait till September for the N8. They will just go to Android or iphone. So Nokia is losing potential customers each day it delays. They also needed to release videos or something of N9 as soon as possible for those who have no interest in symbian and may be considering getting an android or iphone. But that cannot happen now because they have to wait for N8 to come out before revealing anything of N9.

Of course better to delay to make sure everything is working well before release but when did Nokia do that? They will delay and probably still release a buggy device.

[NvyUs]

im told N9 will still be announced at nokia world next month and will go on sale end of October plans are still the same.
N8 = camera flagship
N9 = all in one top range hardware spec flagship
these will go on sale side by side just like n82 old cam flagship and n95 multimedia flagship once did.

[NvyUs]

btw i really doubt n900 was delayed to allow n97 to do well b/c n97 shipped 5 months before n900 and it was evident to all n900 was still not ready when it did start shipping
it was probably used as an excuse why the project was late

[tissot]

Btw as couple of people were complaining about youtube video disappearing you can still watch it in here (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xe8lvo_techguru-meego_tech).

[attila77]

It needed to get N8 out as soon as possible not postpone its release till September. Most people upgrading now will skip the current Nokia phones and will be unwilling to wait till September for the N8.

It's always the question if you lose more by giving up one month's "worth" of users, or if you lose more by shipping a half-baked product, which then gathers enough bad press in that first month that it no longer matters if you fix it later as everybody will remember the initial disappointment and you lost momentum for later sales.

[attila77]

btw i really doubt n900 was delayed to allow n97 to do well b/c n97 shipped 5 months before n900 and it was evident to all n900 was still not ready when it did start shipping
it was probably used as an excuse why the project was late

Err... no, that's not what I was talking about - the N900 *announcement* was moved because of the N97 *mini* and the X6. Not the N97, and not the actual shipment date.

[zehjotkah]

To stop all this speculation.
The UI shown in the video is the Symbian⁴ UI, not the one from MeeGo.
The one from MeeGo will be far superior.

(Hint: did you see any 3D HW accelerated graphics in the video? Nope. How it comes then, that MeeGo requires 3D HW acceleration?)

[attila77]

The task switcher appears for a brief moment and it indeed looks a lot like the one described in the banana document on the meego wiki.

[zehjotkah]

The task switcher appears for a brief moment and it indeed looks a lot like the one described in the banana document on the meego wiki.

you're right...
both interfaces are coming from Nokia, but the one we're seeing is not the MeeGo handset UI.

[tissot]

you're right...
both interfaces are coming from Nokia, but the one we're seeing is not the MeeGo handset UI.

But but Eldar said that's the UI! :p
At this point i just wanna see the N9.

[NvyUs]

To stop all this speculation.
The UI shown in the video is the Symbian⁴ UI, not the one from MeeGo.
The one from MeeGo will be far superior.

(Hint: did you see any 3D HW accelerated graphics in the video? Nope. How it comes then, that MeeGo requires 3D HW acceleration?)

its not symbian
3d HW Accelerated GFX is moot point b/c even symbian 3 as 3D HWA interface its how the Ui runs at 60 frames a second.
by you reasoning it would the os in video is neither of them.
if you install meego touch ui widget set from devel its obvious its meego btw the meego widget set got an update today

[kevinm2k]

I too do believe it to be meego, as its way different from the current symbian and I cant see symbian 4 being massively different to symbian 3.

But I am happy to wait and find out for real soon enough!

[Rauha]

I too do believe it to be meego, as its way different from the current symbian and I cant see symbian 4 being massively different to symbian 3.


Off-Topic, but S^4 is massively different from S^3 in UX/UI.

[tissot]

I too do believe it to be meego, as its way different from the current symbian and I cant see symbian 4 being massively different to symbian 3.

But I am happy to wait and find out for real soon enough!

Probally not massively different put S^4 is definitely the milestone(pun not intended) after the UI being build on Qt.
I would believe that MeeGo and S^4 will have similarities, but for now i think this is Meego too.

Thought who knows maybe this was just one video showing one UI proposal to audience to see what they think about it early 2009?

Here's one pic of the S^4 shown July.
http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/New-Symbian-4-Screenshots-Surface-4.jpg

[pelago]

To stop all this speculation.
The UI shown in the video is the Symbian⁴ UI, not the one from MeeGo.
The one from MeeGo will be far superior.


Can you explain how you can be so sure? It looks pretty much like MeeGo to me.

[Milhouse]

Nokia is far too slow. Always having delays. Why can't they be like Apple and announce a release date and meet that date.


Maybe because Apple only release one phone a year, while Nokia cater to a broad range of customers and consequently have to manage the release of multiple phones each year. In addition, Nokia are currently still developing the new software for their phones whereas Apple have the luxury of simply tweaking the OS they first released 3 years ago after God knows how many years of development in secret.


Of course better to delay to make sure everything is working well before release but when did Nokia do that? They will delay and probably still release a buggy device.

That's exactly what they have done with the N8, and what you just criticised them for doing in your opening sentence... you can't have your cake and eat it.

[fatalsaint]

Can you explain how you can be so sure? It looks pretty much like MeeGo to me.

I actually think it's more likely it is Harmattan's UI, built on Maemo 6, which is derived from MeeGo's compatibility layer.

The Harmattan UI was going to use the MeeGo Handset UX, so watching the video I think this is what they are doing with it.

[Milhouse]

Slightly OT, but Peter from Nokia Marketing tweeted earlier today that Nokia are looking to hire a MeeGo Marketing Manager for European Operators (http://twitter.com/PeterMeeGo/status/20281458657)... ramping up the marketing to operators ahead of a new MeeGo device launch, perchance?

Also hiring MeeGo Release Marketing Manager (http://twitter.com/PeterMeeGo/status/20278196279) and Open Source Advocate Europe (http://twitter.com/PeterMeeGo/status/20278154163).

Looks like Peter has returned from vacation (http://twitter.com/PeterMeeGo/status/20122032877)! :)

[zehjotkah]

But but Eldar said that's the UI! :p

xD who is Eldar?

its not symbian
3d HW Accelerated GFX is moot point b/c even symbian 3 as 3D HWA interface its how the Ui runs at 60 frames a second.

Symbian is HW accelerated, too, yes, but it's not in 3D
Don't know how to descibe it better.
if you install meego touch ui widget set from devel its obvious its meego btw the meego widget set got an update today

as I said, both are very similar, but this is not MeeGo.
Both are even able to run the same widgets.

Can you explain how you can be so sure? It looks pretty much like MeeGo to me.

I can't and no, it isn't.

[NvyUs]

I actually think it's more likely it is Harmattan's UI, built on Maemo 6, which is derived from MeeGo's compatibility layer.

The Harmattan UI was going to use the MeeGo Handset UX, so watching the video I think this is what they are doing with it.

Meego touch framework is actually Harmattan UI Framework it just got renamed and donated i think to MeeGo project.
both Harmattan/maemo 6 and MeeGo 1.1 will both use same framework.
http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=2818&postcount=7

[NvyUs]

these are images i took from meego widget gallery i have installed on n900, if you look at images on the nokiablog you can see they look exactly the same look at dialogue boxes and input box.
http://thenokiablog.com/2010/08/02/meego-video-closer-look/

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab51/NvyUs_bucket/Uploads%20via%20Pixelpipe/attachment-6K11GV.png
http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab51/NvyUs_bucket/Uploads%20via%20Pixelpipe/attachment-3TE0GV.png

[daperl]

Also hiring MeeGo Release Marketing Manager (http://twitter.com/PeterMeeGo/status/20278196279) and Open Source Advocate Europe (http://twitter.com/PeterMeeGo/status/20278154163).

Would the second one be qgil (http://forum.meego.com/member.php?u=9)'s boss, subordinate or peer?

[tissot]

these are images i took from meego widget gallery i have installed on n900, if you look at images on the nokiablog you can see they look exactly the same look at dialogue boxes and input box.
http://thenokiablog.com/2010/08/02/meego-video-closer-look/

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab51/NvyUs_bucket/Uploads%20via%20Pixelpipe/attachment-6K11GV.png
http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab51/NvyUs_bucket/Uploads%20via%20Pixelpipe/attachment-3TE0GV.png
This was the main reason i thought it was MeeGo too, but it should't really be surprise that we see similarities to widget gallery, direct ui or to that harmattan picture that was leaked about year ago.
Like already said Symbian^4 will and should have some same design elements than Nokias MeeGo or is this video just year old proposal shown to audience?
N9 announcement would clear alot. ;) Hopefully we see it in a month.

[zehjotkah]

these are images i took from meego widget gallery i have installed on n900, if you look at images on the nokiablog you can see they look exactly the same look at dialogue boxes and input box.
http://thenokiablog.com/2010/08/02/meego-video-closer-look/

I had the same installed, but still, the video does not show the final or any meego UI.
Similarity does not mean that it is the same...

[Rauha]

Would the second one be qgil (http://forum.meego.com/member.php?u=9)'s boss, subordinate or peer?

Didn't qgil recently move to California, so it could be his old job.

[jnwi]

Also hiring MeeGo Release Marketing Manager (http://twitter.com/PeterMeeGo/status/20278196279) and Open Source Advocate Europe (http://twitter.com/PeterMeeGo/status/20278154163).

"Your means of communication will not include meego.com, wikis, presentations, and events such as the MeeGo conference."

WTF

[cfh11]

Nokia is far too slow. Always having delays. Why can't they be like Apple and announce a release date and meet that date.

Errr... Are you forgetting the fact that Apple waited right up until the iphone 4 was ready to ship to announce it? Pretty easy to meet the release date when all that's left to do is flip a switch..

[Rauha]

"Your means of communication will not include meego.com, wikis, presentations, and events such as the MeeGo conference."

WTF

It's for secret Open-Source Ninjas.

[jnwi]

It's for secret Open-Source Ninjas.

Maybe they require you to be so hard core you'll only agree to work with IRC and usenet. Events are obviously right out the door, since you can't leave their basement.

[Viipottaja]

I had the same installed, but still, the video does not show the final or any meego UI.
Similarity does not mean that it is the same...

And you would know because? Do you work for Nokia on Meego? Not saying you don't, just curious how you do.

[NvyUs]

all i know is its nots Symbian, i can say that with 100% certainty too, cant share why though.

[Viipottaja]

What?!? So its Android then!! Google's *****es rejoice! :D :p

[jnwi]

What?!? So its Android then!! Google's *****es rejoice! :D :p

Maybe it's S40 :D

[Rauha]

Maybe it's S40 :D

Actually it's S30. Kinda cool for 30€ hardware.

[Viipottaja]

OR: S80 is back!

[danramos]

Maybe it's S40 :D

Commodore VIC-2000 handheld microcomputer telephone interface!

[jnwi]

Confidential sources have now informed me it's actually GNU/Hurd running a modernized twm. Nokia are pissed Linus went with Android and decided to start from scratch. Intel will be informed tomorrow, and the applications are all raw Xlib.

[Milhouse]

Would the second one be qgil (http://forum.meego.com/member.php?u=9)'s boss, subordinate or peer?

Good question - possibly peer, or even sub-ordinate as Quim has relocated to California (http://flors.wordpress.com/2010/05/22/same-job-new-location-santa-clara-valley-california/).

[zehjotkah]

xD
sorry guys, just wait and see.

[Rauha]

Confidential sources have now informed me it's actually GNU/Hurd running a modernized twm. Nokia are pissed Linus went with Android and decided to start from scratch. Intel will be informed tomorrow, and the applications are all raw Xlib.

Richard Stallman is at MIT's physics department, begging them to build hydrogen bomb and nuke Espoo.

[jnwi]

Richard Stallman is at MIT's physics department, begging them to build hydrogen bomb and nuke Espoo.

Nokia say they don't negotiate with terrorists and will under no circumstances make Emacs the default editor.

[kryptoniankid17]

Nokia is far too slow. Always having delays. Why can't they be like Apple and announce a release date and meet that date.

It is in a very problematic position right now. It's flagship device, N900, is not a mass market device and is not being readily sold anymore. It's claimed flagship deviced, N97, is like the most poorly rated smartphone.

Meanwhile there are loads of amazing android phones coming out as well as iphone 4 just released. It needed to get N8 out as soon as possible not postpone its release till September. Most people upgrading now will skip the current Nokia phones and will be unwilling to wait till September for the N8. They will just go to Android or iphone. So Nokia is losing potential customers each day it delays. They also needed to release videos or something of N9 as soon as possible for those who have no interest in symbian and may be considering getting an android or iphone. But that cannot happen now because they have to wait for N8 to come out before revealing anything of N9.

Of course better to delay to make sure everything is working whoell before release but when did Nokia do that? They will delay and probably still release a buggy device.

how many times can this be rehashed? I feel as though im reading gizmodo or engadget.

[Rauha]

Nokia say they don't negotiate with terrorists and will under no circumstances make Emacs the default editor.

That's what they say, but the real reason is that Nokia is about to launch the awesome OVImacs. It vastly improves on the traditional editor experience by integrating Twitter and Facebook. It also Comes With Music, order now and you get the Rihanna Special.

http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/2337/7827b075313b486ead563922923f759e.jpg

[etuoyo]

how many times can this be rehashed? I feel as though im reading gizmodo or engadget.

I haven't seen it said anywhere. Giving my opinion. And where you feel you are is your problem.

[gerbick]

how many times can this be rehashed? I feel as though im reading gizmodo or engadget.

If I had to offer up a guess... until it changes perhaps?

[danramos]

That's what they say, but the real reason is that Nokia is about to launch the awesome OVImacs. It vastly improves on the traditional editor experience by integrating Twitter and Facebook. It also Comes With Music, order now and you get the Rihanna Special.


I'll bet it'll contain (or entirely be) closed-source.

[christexaport]

in my opinion, it really won't matter which OS it is. Nokia will likely NOT use the reference UI, and customize its own solution based loosely on that reference UI using the Qt UI toolkit used for both OSes.

I thought that was the entire point of buying Qt: To unify the app ecosystems and UIs of both their software platforms to remove fragmentation. You can also have UX fragmentation, but using a similarly styled UI paradigm for both OSes solves the issue.

So if this is more than just a marketing mockup (and I doubt it is...), it will likely be the basic look of BOTH OSes. The big difference will be the extended app ecosystem from MeeGo with GTK and the like.

In essence, we're all right in the end. Its NOKIA's UI. That will be how they brand/differentiate their devices, and how they unify their experience, regardless of cost or hardware.

[gerbick]

Between the two, I rather like Moblin over Nokia's take on MeeGo.