N9 technical specifications appeared rumoured

[xuggs]

http://my-maemo.com/index.php?p=6706&c=20

This sounds too good to be true but I hope it really is. This is the only way to beat the competition out there i feel.

[ToJa92]

If those specs is correct, that's the tablet I wanted instead of the N900 :(

Oh well, I guess you can't have everything. Unless you're rich of course.

[etuoyo]

Yep sound too good to be true.

[abubakar]

still the same proc but with 1ghz, is that going to be slower then whats on the droid x right?
I want a 786mb physical ram instead of going for more bigger screens, makes the device more useable.

[lma]

The resolution at least sounds bogus. Assuming square pixels (ie 16:9 aspect ratio) that would be just over 367ppi. I suppose that's one way to trump Apple, but does such a display even exist? Plus, that many pixels at 24bpp would be a bit slow.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love that kind of display in my pocket, but don't get your hopes up.

864x480x24 (http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-July/004344.html) sounds more plausible (and also matches the size of the Aava device - I think it's unlikely MeeGo Handset will have a resolution-independent UI in the first release).

[Lullen]

Wont the resolution be "low" compared to the N900 at the same resolution? I have not held any 4" displays with that resolution so I do not know. If it is similar to the N900 it will be more then enough

[eiffel]

Yep sound too good to be true.
Precisely. It's just someone's "dream specifications".

Anyway, as we found out with the N900, the official specs mean little. What good is a specified 30fps video if there is frame skipping?

[bugelrex]

In my opinion, the n9 is Nokia's last hope. If they screw it up they will loose their high-end sales for the next several years as competitors have much more compelling devices for consumers (not geeks).

I for one will never consider Nokia again for several years if the n9 is a disappointment...

Its in Nokia's interest to throw everything they can to surpass competition. In my opinion, they should not consider making a profit on n9 so it sells well.. that's how badly Nokia needs a huge hit right now.

[tswindell]

I assess my purchases per. device. Don't really care who makes it, just happens my last 4 or so devices have all been Nokia, only disappointed with the N96, though I wasn't to annoyed at it, it mostly worked fine.

[tissot]

In my opinion, the n9 is Nokia's last hope. If they screw it up they will loose their high-end sales for the next several years as competitors have much more compelling devices for consumers (not geeks).

I for one will never consider Nokia again for several years if the n9 is a disappointment...

Its in Nokia's interest to throw everything they can to surpass competition. In my opinion, they should not consider making a profit on n9 so it sells well.. that's how badly Nokia needs a huge hit right now.
Honestly this is the last chance sentence have been thrown around for 3 years already.
It's never too late especially when Nokia as a company is in very healty condition. Truth is that if Nokia releases killer phone next year, people will buy it. Just like Samsung released one phone that suddenly seemed to change peoples mind about Samsung support and made Samsung to mean something in smartphones arena.
That's internet for you. ;)

About the spec. Parts that do sound a bit weird are the GPU and screen other than that all the other features have been said previously by some sources that i at least trust. Even the 12mpx that i can't imgine to be the same as in N8. Well hopefully we know all about N9 in 2 weeks time.

[gabby131]

the tech specs looks like the Samsung Wave with a qwerty.

[tissot]

the tech specs looks like the Samsung Wave with a qwerty.

Or more like Galaxy S as both got AMOLED 4" screen. Thought N9 would be spec king if it was released today.
Spec really do look perfect IMO and if the screen resolution and GPU are true too i would really be positively surprised.
I will probably take easy and wait till years end just to see where Android is heading before buying anything next to Galaxy S and N900.

[Dave999]

not enough to kick my n900 out...I Want more!. guess I have to wait for
n10. You should see the rumoured specs some bloggers presented ;)

[etuoyo]

In my opinion, the n9 is Nokia's last hope. If they screw it up they will loose their high-end sales for the next several years as competitors have much more compelling devices for consumers (not geeks).

I for one will never consider Nokia again for several years if the n9 is a disappointment...

Its in Nokia's interest to throw everything they can to surpass competition. In my opinion, they should not consider making a profit on n9 so it sells well.. that's how badly Nokia needs a huge hit right now.

Agree with you so much that I wish I could give you 10 thanks. However, you need to make do with one. Nokia really needs this to be a smashing success. It is all well and good selling 100 million symbian phones but we know there is not much profit margin on those £40 phones. They need to regain mind and market share in the high end.

[bandora]

But people need to start realising that higher specs (cpu clock rate, more RAM, huge battery) isn't always better...

... and that software plays a HUGE role in this...

[bsving]

In my opinion, the n9 is Nokia's last hope. If they screw it up they will loose their high-end sales for the next several years as competitors have much more compelling devices for consumers (not geeks).

I for one will never consider Nokia again for several years if the n9 is a disappointment...

Its in Nokia's interest to throw everything they can to surpass competition. In my opinion, they should not consider making a profit on n9 so it sells well.. that's how badly Nokia needs a huge hit right now.

Nonsense. The N8 will outsell the N9 or any other Meego-device Nokia will produce within the next year and a half. Maybe by a factor of 50.

[tissot]

Nonsense. The N8 will outsell the N9 or any other Meego-device Nokia will produce within the next year and a half. Maybe by a factor of 50.

Symbian is supposed and will outsell MeeGo that's for sure, but i wouldn't downplay MeeGo that much. In Nokia's 2009 forecast for Harmattan they are expecting to sell them in millions in 2011.
As Symbian phones are now rather clearly inside the low and mid end they are supposed to sell alot, but they surely wanna sell the very top end phones that all got MeeGo inside as well.
http://tietokone.sestatic.fi/var/smf/storage/images/media/images/graafi_2011_1603/7579541-1-fin-FI/graafi_2011_160.png

[lwa]

*edited* didnt read the above post properly :( lol

[Peet]

In my opinion, the n9 is Nokia's last hope. If they screw it up they will loose their high-end sales for the next several years as competitors have much more compelling devices for consumers (not geeks).

Nokia's problems are actually related to both the less-than-competitive hardware (esp. high-end) - physically, price-wise and with extremely limited choice - and to Nokia's repeated treatment of the enthusiasts and developers (aka the GEEKS!) by repeatedly abandoning both hardware and software platforms (before and apparently including the current N900).

I'm afraid the still long-awaited Symbian is getting crushed by the sheer volume of mid-range Android handsets and the developer and mindshare support that platform already has. And that tide just keeps growing while the new Symbian and supporting Nokia hardware remain nonexistent.

Meego, regardless of its Linuxian strengths, remains a small niche even on the Intel side (and can be expected to remain so until Intel's release of the truly power-efficient architectures in 2013).

Nokia isn't exactly helping Meego's growth on the ARM side of things...

The exact people Nokia desperately needs on the Meego-on-ARM train are the very same geeks (developers and enthusiasts!) Nokia has been repeatedly and successfully been pissing off over the last three years.

A lot of these geeks and opinion leaders can take one slap in the face like a man, but two or even three times is simply too much.

Geeks know a good thing when they see one. Blowing $400-500 on a device (maybe more than once) that is supposed to open (but turns out that neither hardware nor software actually are open) and gets abandoned without even the most crucial security updates (due to the closed nature) after just one year or even less... Many feel that the goodness of that deal got lost somewhere along Nokia's decision-making chain.

Some believe that there can't be a thriving applications ecosystem without hordes of consumers. Possibly, but Nokia's management appears to share your belief that geeks aren't necessary to make that software ecosystem happen.

I'm not going to bet on Nokia's approach though. And you can bet I'm going to be extremely cautious before plunking money into Nokia products again based on their promises. :(

[fahadj2003]

something tells me, this wont be meego -__-

[shady]

Samsung and LG are both going to be using A9s by the end of this year. i feel its in nokias best interest to place themselves up above and beyond with an omap4440.

[NvyUs]

Eldar is saying hes 99% sure Nokia have decided N9 will not be announced at Nokia World.
If its true and they are delaying it then Nokia better ship MeeGo 1.1 on it there is no excuse not to if its not coming out for months.
enough speculating lets wait and see what next week brings b/c Eldar as been known to be wrong on lots of occasions

[bxbomber]

Samsung and LG are both going to be using A9s by the end of this year. i feel its in nokias best interest to place themselves up above and beyond with an omap4440.

Yep, the lg optimus is said to be using the tegra 2 chip, if nokia came out with an arm cortex a8 while other phone manufactures are already releasing arm a9 it would look bad.

Hopefully it's not the case and the n9 will have a top of the line chip.

[matthew maude]

the N9 should come with an Intel dual core chip :-D

[tissot]

Eldar is saying hes 99% sure Nokia have decided N9 will not be announced at Nokia World.

And more importantly he is saying that release is delayed to q1 rather than the q4 2010 release(or second half) as Nokia execs have been saying. :(
That would be such a pitty because N9 really does look good, but i'm liking my Galaxy S and will be looking at "next gen" Android phones if it takes too long to get that thing out.

[NvyUs]

And more importantly he is saying that release is delayed to q1 rather than the q4 2010 release(or second half) as Nokia execs have been saying. :(
That would be such a pitty because N9 really does look good, but i'm liking my Galaxy S and will be looking at "next gen" Android phones if it takes too long to get that thing out.

not sure i believe the Q1 2011 part b/c over last couple of weeks I've still been hearing Nokia ppl mention product milestone still coming this year
for all we know the first meego/harmattan device might not even be the N9 it might be something else but unlikely .
Also Anssi in the twitter talk said he also wanted to see less time from product announcement to Shipping day, if they are putting that in to practice i still believe we will get something shipping in December and maybe announced before or at MeeGo conference.

[kevloral]

So much speculation about the N9 specs and still no mention of NFC. Ah well...

[Jedibeeftrix]

http://my-maemo.com/index.php?p=6706&c=20

This sounds too good to be true but I hope it really is. This is the only way to beat the competition out there i feel.


smells like BS to me.

"ARM Cortex-A8 1 GHz processor and SGX540 GPU"

really, i was unaware that TI made an Omap3 with an SGX540 GPU............

[Jedibeeftrix]

In my opinion, the n9 is Nokia's last hope. If they screw it up they will loose their high-end sales for the next several years as competitors have much more compelling devices for consumers (not geeks).

I for one will never consider Nokia again for several years if the n9 is a disappointment...

Its in Nokia's interest to throw everything they can to surpass competition. In my opinion, they should not consider making a profit on n9 so it sells well.. that's how badly Nokia needs a huge hit right now.
agreed, which is why i think Omap4 is so important.

[Jedibeeftrix]

the N9 should come with an Intel dual core chip :-D
that would be an utter disaster!

[Jedibeeftrix]

And more importantly he is saying that release is delayed to q1 rather than the q4 2010 release(or second half) as Nokia execs have been saying. :(
That would be such a pitty because N9 really does look good, but i'm liking my Galaxy S and will be looking at "next gen" Android phones if it takes too long to get that thing out.
i'll happily accept the delay if it means Omap4.

[nilchak]

Eldar is saying hes 99% sure Nokia have decided N9 will not be announced at Nokia World.

If that happens, then I guess nothing changed at Nokia vis-a-vis their bring-to-market process efficiencies.

[shady]

We will find out soon enough! my hope is that we can get omap4 ... the trickle has begun. so a "halo device" with a gen old chip is NOT how you want to usher in your new shiny OS ... at least the N900 was on par with the highest of the high class in '09 ... snap was based on A8 so it wasnt much of an issue, and for me, an audio upgrade as well as an A9 would go a LOOONG way to appease the performance kids. plus the battery life savings would be b.w 20-40% according to TI. if it is an A8 i know that i wouldnt want it ... and would be willing to wait, for a device that does. but A8 is for mid-end now been out since 2007 its time for an upgrade in top of the line.

[tissot]

We will find out soon enough! my hope is that we can get omap4 ... the trickle has begun. so a "halo device" with a gen old chip is NOT how you want to usher in your new shiny OS ... at least the N900 was on par with the highest of the high class in '09 ... snap was based on A8 so it wasnt much of an issue, and for me, an audio upgrade as well as an A9 would go a LOOONG way to appease the performance kids. plus the battery life savings would be b.w 20-40% according to TI. if it is an A8 i know that i wouldnt want it ... and would be willing to wait, for a device that does. but A8 is for mid-end now been out since 2007 its time for an upgrade in top of the line.

I just say the same as i have been saying for the past 2 pages. :D
If you are waiting for OMAP4 you will be disappointed.
OMAP36xx would put N9 next to the Galaxy S, Droid 2 and Iphone in the processor game and above snapdragon that will still be used in Desire HD announced in a same day as Nokia World ends. Iphone will still be using A8 based A4 for +6 months.

[automagic68]

are we asking for a miracle? The anticipation is hysterical lol! Just seeing the pics of the N9 was mind blowing! Can a device look soo cool and not come with equally cool hardware? I waould take 8mpx cam over the 12mpx anyday if the N9 has a arm9 watever its called processor.

[ktchiu]

This may just be wishful thinking but perhaps a super AMOLED screen is possible?
Apparently, its not just exclusive to Samsung:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/08/samsung-mobile-display-promises-10x-increase-in-production-next/

[mikecomputing]

http://www.gaj-it.com/24377/nokia-n9-delayed-no-meego-at-nokia-world/

Nokia will ever get rid of Symbian 3.

[zimon]

dual core Cortex-A9 would be needed to the top.

[maxximuscool]

A+ to A9 processor on N9.
Capacitive, Multitouch, keyboard less, GPU 540, 768MB RAM (not swap), swap 768MB, 8Mp or 12Mp with Xeon Flash + Dual LED for video + Optical zoom 3x, 32GB internal, HDMI, 1080p Recording and Decoding, FM Transmitter, FM tuner, GPS (new chip), IR port, Digital Compass, Gyroscope sensor, Sixaxis accelerometer, Proximity sensor, 2MP front camera, Bluetooth, Wireless N, Aluminium body, Docking capable, USB 3.0 (2.0 compatible) lol

That's what my dream device.

[bugelrex]

A+ to A9 processor on N9.
Capacitive, Multitouch, keyboard less, GPU 540, 768MB RAM (not swap), swap 768MB, 8Mp or 12Mp with Xeon Flash + Dual LED for video + Optical zoom 3x, 32GB internal, HDMI, 1080p Recording and Decoding, FM Transmitter, FM tuner, GPS (new chip), IR port, Digital Compass, Gyroscope sensor, Sixaxis accelerometer, Proximity sensor, 2MP front camera, Bluetooth, Wireless N, Aluminium body, Docking capable, USB 3.0 (2.0 compatible) lol

That's what my dream device.

Unfortunately, what you are describing is probably the next version of the iphone. I'm not sure if Nokia "get's it", they don't realize they need a "super phone" (best hardware and software) to win back their reputation which was self inflicted (e72 stability, n97, n900 early death)

What cannot be denied is that Apple continue to add the latest hardware to each revision.

[theflew]

Unfortunately, what you are describing is probably the next version of the iphone. I'm not sure if Nokia "get's it", they don't realize they need a "super phone" (best hardware and software) to win back their reputation which was self inflicted (e72 stability, n97, n900 early death)

What cannot be denied is that Apple continue to add the latest hardware to each revision.

Apple adds hardware like it's a check list. Resolution didn't matter until they upped theirs (both camera and screen). What about adding a flash, wasn't important until they did it. In the end the new iPhone is more on par with the N900 than beyond it. It just has nice packaging.

[bayernhan]

sorry its 8 megapixels still 720p thought and resolution will be 960-480

[maxximuscool]

Who knows? If Nokia wants Customer then they have to risk it by releasing top notch hardware and providing top notch software support and upgrades.

[patlak]

Unfortunately, what you are describing is probably the next version of the iphone. I'm not sure if Nokia "get's it", they don't realize they need a "super phone" (best hardware and software) to win back their reputation which was self inflicted (e72 stability, n97, n900 early death)

What cannot be denied is that Apple continue to add the latest hardware to each revision.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but adding led flash, front camera, underclocked A8 with SGX535 is not the latest. The screen yes, since they had to quadruple the resolution in order for the older apps to work for which they had no choice especially by keeping the shitty ratio.

[sachin007]

It is looking increasingly unlikely that the N9 will be announced at nokia world. Especially i am surprised at the lack of leaks of specs.... something is not right.

[riahc3]

It is looking increasingly unlikely that the N9 will be announced at nokia world. Especially i am surprised at the lack of leaks of specs.... something is not right.
and on top of that:

http://www.gaj-it.com/24377/nokia-n9-delayed-no-meego-at-nokia-world/

[maxximuscool]

It is looking increasingly unlikely that the N9 will be announced at nokia world. Especially i am surprised at the lack of leaks of specs.... something is not right.

Nokia connecting people but expecting delay...As usual

[shady]

now nokia is REALLY on the ball ... A-15 eagle (which announced TI as a partner months ago) has been officially announced and will be ready come 2013! and according to the road map the A9 arch is about to see some releases this year, exciting!: http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/393/armroadmap.png

looking good :) fingers-X ... i hope there is no delay and i hope that they had foresight enough to have stellar hardware, and not also ran hardware.

in order for MeeGo to establish itself as a competitor, esp as the nerd.alt which is the air where it would be most successful, it needs to have hardware as discerning as its potential owners. but entering at a disadvantage to the WinMo7 hardware (also entering the scene) and potential Android upgrades ... eventually (same product cycle) will be more than a marketing mistake. it will create the framework with which ppl associate the software. first impressions and all that ...

[tissot]

Doesn't really belong to this thread but wont be opening new one for this.
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb95/tissotti/fsdfsfsf.jpg
It doesn't look like E7 or N9 to me. So what is it(top left corner)?
http://twitpic.com/2i4igl/full

[lma]

Looks a bit like what you'd get if you crossed a N900 with a 7710...

[SAABoy]

Doesn't really belong to this thread but wont be opening new one for this.
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb95/tissotti/fsdfsfsf.jpg
It doesn't look like E7 or N9 to me. So what is it(top left corner)?
http://twitpic.com/2i4igl/full

wow, that looks crazy...

[nilchak]

Does it not look like all N8's ? The florescent ones (2) somehow look a bit bigger - maybe the E series version.

[maxximuscool]

Doesn't really belong to this thread but wont be opening new one for this.
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb95/tissotti/fsdfsfsf.jpg
It doesn't look like E7 or N9 to me. So what is it(top left corner)?
http://twitpic.com/2i4igl/full

Is it me or just the picture makes all of those devices look like they all have the same shape but different size and thickness?

The design is identicle!!! o.O ugly

[NikiSk]

It doesn't look like E7 or N9 to me. So what is it(top left corner)?
http://twitpic.com/2i4igl/full

A portable hard drive? ;)

[quingu]

Doesn't really belong to this thread but wont be opening new one for this.
It doesn't look like E7 or N9 to me. So what is it(top left corner)?


That would be a portable battery pack, I'd guess.

[ScottishDuck]

Ugh... 1GHz A8. Once again behind the curve.

[Ayle]

Ugh... 1GHz A8. Once again behind the curve.

How? What you said sounds quite uninformed.

[CormacB]

How? What you said sounds quite uninformed.
The N900 has a Cortex A8 which you can run at 1Ghz quite easily. A Cortex A9 (or equivalent) at > 1Ghz would be much better, and will probably be the high end standard next year

[Lullen]

The Cortex A8 at 1ghz is not the same as our A8 overclocked to 1ghz. The new A8 is built dimensions wich means better preformance and lower battery usage

[Deaconclgi]

It also matters if the GPU is more powerful or not. CPU speed will only do so much for you. The GPU will take care of the UI, video and games. Hopefully they will use the most powerful GPU that can be combined with the A8.

[tissot]

Would love to see this CBD(clear black display) in N9 as well.
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/09/nokia-e7-nw2010-dsc4971--engadget.jpg
(E7 in left with CBD and n8 with AMOLED screen in right)
Problem might be if it's not availabe for ~854x480 resolution. Same as S AMOLED isn't(pentile screens).

[Jedibeeftrix]

How? What you said sounds quite uninformed.

because the GPU used in the TI Omap3 SoC's is the SGX530, which is already less powerful than the current Samsung/Apple SoC's which currently sport the SGX535.

given that the MeeGo app/games market is likely to start very small, it will receive cheap ports at best which means it needs a performance advantage.

The new hummingbird chip uses the SGX540 gpu, and will be turning up in phones very soon.

This is why Nokia need Omap4, not just for the dual-core A9 CPU, but because it too incorporates the SGX 540 GPU.

[tissot]

The new hummingbird chip uses the SGX540 gpu, and will be turning up in phones very soon.

Hummingbird with SGX540 is already inside my Galaxy S and in Wave also.

[NOMOS]

CBD nHD is not pentile. good

[Jedibeeftrix]

CBD nHD is not pentile. good

sorry, what's "pentile"?

i like 16:9, so i hope Nokia moves to 960x540, i.e. one quarter of full HD.

[Rauha]

sorry, what's "pentile"?


Samsung screen technology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PenTile_matrix_family

[phr]

Nokia swapped out its CEO for a Microsoft guy last week. I wonder if that had anything to do with the delays. Maybe the N9 will switch from Meego to WinCE.

[mikecomputing]

Nokia swapped out its CEO for a Microsoft guy last week. I wonder if that had anything to do with the delays. Maybe the N9 will switch from Meego to WinCE.

You have to be kidding LOL

And btw. what delays are u talking about?

[tissot]

Nokia swapped out its CEO for a Microsoft guy last week. I wonder if that had anything to do with the delays. Maybe the N9 will switch from Meego to WinCE.

I shouldn't even comment on these anymore and i can't be bothered to write all what Ollila and others have said already, but we wont be seeing wp7 inside Nokia phones.
I wont say ever but for the next 3 years, no.

It's funny that this guy have been working for Microsoft only for 2 years and hold many other positions as well but suddenly he is Steve Ballmer himself. It also tells me that people have no idea as how many agreements with example chip makers and work for services and software Nokia would need to do to make wp7 a platform for Nokia.
Something that Nokia has been working for years for Symbian, Harmattan and work done for qt altready.

Mike, Eldar Murtazin started rumour about N9 coming out in q1 rather than q4 this year. I wouldn't be too worried yet as he said the same about N900.

[shady]

the n900 was announced or shown already this time last year ...

[tissot]

the n900 was announced or shown already this time last year ...

MeeGo announcements will be this year like said in the Nokia World keynote. Release date have been said to be 2H this year by two Nokia execs so lets see.

MeeGo a no-show at NokiaWorld, but CTO says it's "critically important

The reason why MeeGo didn't figure prominently in Nokia's announcements during the event, he explained, is because the company isn't ready to disclose specific MeeGo product plans yet. He says that Nokia is becoming more disciplined about how it presents its roadmap and articulates its product strategy. The company will only talk about products that are ready to ship, rather than products that are in the pipeline.

This was the first thing Vanjoki said when he got his position as head of Nokia's Mobile Solutions in January this year. Anybody who have followed Nokia in the past knows the pain of device getting announced 6 months before the release.

[Lullen]

Maybe they announce it later so it will come to market faster from when its announced. I think I have heared something like that so I am not afraid that they will release it in 2011

[Dave999]

HoHoHo...If n9 will reach the market before the end of this year. I don't see how nokia can wait to present the new phone...I want the new phone before christmas.

Regards,
Santa

[automagic68]

HoHoHo...If n9 will reach the market before the end of this year. I don't see how nokia can wait to present the new phone...I want the new phone before christmas.

Regards,
Santa

Would Nokia dare to disappoint St. Nick?

[djs_tx]

This was the first thing Vanjoki said when he got his position as head of Nokia's Mobile Solutions in January this year. Anybody who have followed Nokia in the past knows the pain of device getting announced 6 months before the release.

This definitely used to kill me with high end Nokias... When the device was announced 6 months before you could buy it, it usually meant I would hesitate to buy what was available because the "next thing" was already hitting the rumor mill. Why buy now when you know there is a cooler one just around the corner?

[shady]

the longer they wait, the more obsolete it will look when announced.

A9 + 128GB storage + 1280/720res

it should be a beast to rule H1 in 2011, but in my personal opinion it will be hardware found in devices that came out either during or before the summer. ie, before the iphone 4 ... i hope the "delack of announcement" was to upgrade the system board. TI is a HUGE sponsor of meego-fest 2010 i hope they arent showing up to just show off their old tech, esp when the new fabs are about to hit production. something fishy about reusing an A8, and the attention TI is giving this product release.

[3beers]

I'm sure that we won't see any meego device released this year. I think it won't be released neither in Q1 2011. the reason that make me believe this is today Handset Test Report on N900: http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/HandsetTestReport/N900Acceptance20100921

Browsing website over 3G (WCDMA) - Not support in meego 1.1 release.

Not able to shut down the Device(N900) via power button - Temporary solution, should be handled somewhere else in stack for 1.2.

meego 1.2 is expected to be ready in April 2011.

What do you think . we will see a meego phone in Q1 2011 or it will be postponed until end of Q2 2011?

[jsomby]

Its totally different to release some specs of hi-end device than manufacturing actually even one or more to show off without heavily bugs... story of nokia: Delays after delays.

They promise future device now, but when it's actually on market there are several equal or more powerful devices already.

[sunwong]

I'm sure that we won't see any meego device released this year. I think it won't be released neither in Q1 2011. the reason that make me believe this is today Handset Test Report on N900: http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/HandsetTestReport/N900Acceptance20100921

Browsing website over 3G (WCDMA) - Not support in meego 1.1 release.

Not able to shut down the Device(N900) via power button - Temporary solution, should be handled somewhere else in stack for 1.2.

meego 1.2 is expected to be ready in April 2011.

What do you think . we will see a meego phone in Q1 2011 or it will be postponed until end of Q2 2011?

These are current issues with 1.1 Meego on N900 device, nothing to do with the N9 current Meego status as It won't have this OS, but Meego-Harmattan, it has been commented a few times..

My bet anyhow is that it will indeed be postponed to Q2, but for other reasons than the OS

[3beers]

These are current issues with 1.1 Meego on N900 device, nothing to do with the N9 current Meego status as It won't have this OS, but Meego-Harmattan, it has been commented a few times..

My bet anyhow is that it will indeed be postponed to Q2, but for other reasons than the OS

oh. so you say that the N9 will have the future version of maemo branded as meego? so it means that it will be debian based and not fedora?

[Helmuth]

oh. so you say that the N9 will have the future version of maemo branded as meego? so it means that it will be debian based and not fedora?

Exactly. As far as we know at the moment:
The N9 with MeeGo (Harmattan) is still debian based. It's maemo 6 with the MeeGo brand on top. The next Device after the N9 will get the fedora based MeeGo. But perhaps we will see not so many differences. The UI for booth devices is based on the same system: Qt.

[3beers]

Exactly. As far as we know at the moment:
The N9 with MeeGo (Harmattan) is still debian based. It's maemo 6 with the MeeGo brand on top. The next Device after the N9 will get the fedora based MeeGo. But perhaps we will see not so many differences. The UI for booth devices is based on the same system: Qt.

Thanks. but this comes to my second question. will the maemo 6 (meego branded) be updated to the real meego 1.2 once it will be available( official I mean) ?

also based on this pic : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/MeeGo_Roadmap.jpg only moblin 2.2 is branded as meego 1.0

I think we will wait and see.

[pelago]

will the maemo 6 (meego branded) be updated to the real meego 1.2 once it will be available( official I mean) ?
I don't think Nokia have made any announcements about that, so we don't know.

[shadowjk]

Not so sure about the "reusing old stuff" aspect of A8.

TI has itself only last month managed to get its new Beagleboard into limited production with the new 1Ghz omap3, still US only according to their page.

The 600MHz beagbleboard was available a long time before N900 with 600Mhz processor was announced. (In the meanwhile TI also released a 720MHz version).

[IsaacDFP]

I don't think the question has been asked so far so here I go...

If I don't trust MeeGo so far... When the N9 comes out, wouid I be able to flash the device with Maemo? Because I am currently very satisfied with Maemo...

[sjgadsby]

If I don't trust MeeGo so far... When the N9 comes out, wouid I be able to flash the device with Maemo? Because I am currently very satisfied with Maemo...

No. Due to hardware differences, firmware images for the N900 will not simply flash onto the MeeGo-Harmattan device.

It might be possible to get Maemo 5 running on the MeeGo-Harmattan device, but doing so would take some work. There's an effort underway to rebuild Maemo 5 on top of a MeeGo base, and if that's successful, then that will be your solution.

[shadowjk]

I didn't know there was an effort for maemo5 ontop of MeeGo base.. Got a link?

[Helmuth]

Thanks. but this comes to my second question. will the maemo 6 (meego branded) be updated to the real meego 1.2 once it will be available( official I mean) ?

also based on this pic : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/MeeGo_Roadmap.jpg only moblin 2.2 is branded as meego 1.0
Based on this pic I can't see any difference between Handset and Tablet. I think Harmattan is a other thing... perhaps starting from MeeGo v1.2 they are based on the same core?

It's very confusing. :( And I'm sure, the most people at Intel or Nokia, don't understand it, too.
Please read here at Texrat's Blog for more information (http://tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com/2010/06/10/maemo-missteps-for-2010/) about it:
MeeGo-Harmattan Hybrid Naming

This is one of the biggest confusion generators I’ve seen come from Team Maemo. After MeeGo was first formally announced, the next release of Maemo (code named Harmattan) came into question. Word from Nokia was that a Harmattan device was still on track for release but it would not be branded as a Maemo product. Instead, Harmattan would be deemed as “an instance of MeeGo” and was referred to as “MeeGo-Harmattan”.

That might not be a problem, except for one little detail: MeeGo relies on the RPM approach to application packaging, whereas Harmattan will continue with the DEB format used by Maemo. This makes “MeeGo-Harmattan” a transitional hybrid.

Why Nokia doesn’t just go ahead with the Maemo 6 label just for this release I’m not sure… but the hybrid naming has resulted in significant confusion in the Maemo community. For that reason I proposed at talk.maemo.org that Nokia come up with some official name making clear the transitional nature of the upcoming OS.

I have not seen any movement on this lately, so to prod Nokia along I have some suggestions:

MidGo
MinMo
…or even MaeGo
I’m sure the creative bunch reading this will have ideas too, right?



But for the really important stuff, update the Harmattan Device to real meego: I would wait until the Device AND the Update to Meego 1.2 is released. I will do so. If there is no update path (because of the total different core system (maemo/meego) I would advise to wait for the successor of the N9 and don't buy this device.

[IsaacDFP]

I personally think it would be wiser for Nokia to completly drop Maemo 6/Harmattan and fully focus on MeeGo... I don't see a reason for Harmattan to exist when MeeGo will begin. Although I am all for Maemo 2.0 for future references.

[Helmuth]

I personally think it would be wiser for Nokia to completly drop Maemo 6/Harmattan and fully focus on MeeGo... I don't see a reason for Harmattan to exist when MeeGo will begin.

The reasoning is simple: MeeGo Handset is not ready yet!

[IsaacDFP]

So did you guys hear? The famous (nokia-hating) Eldar Murtazin was deemed impressed with the "near-perfect" hardware of the N9! That is certainly a very good first impression :)

Click to view original post (http://forum2.mobile-review.com/showpost.php?p=891816&postcount=23660)

(Btw... I couldn't believe an actual blog comment was news-worthy... lol)

[ddiscodave]

i'll believe it when i get my greezy paws on one

[gryedouge]

Off topic - N8

here is a really good indication of development and design from Nokia, when Damien D approached various forum like dpreview.com for thier input on the N8 camera.

http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/07/08/nokia-n8-camera-2260-days-in-the-making-part-12/
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1000&message=35171174

And back to the N9 and future, it is good to see that they are making use of the right people or rather people with new energy and attitude.

http://www.intomobile.com/2010/09/20/audio-interview-peter-skillman-designer-of-palms-webos-now-working-for-nokia-on-meego/
http://www.zurb.com/article/438/-podcast-of-peter-skillmans-talk-on-innov

[radiowc]

Well, hope not another empty promises...like we heard for N900... after 1 year of owning it, still the same. Don't really look forward for the N9. :)

[IsaacDFP]

Well, hope not another empty promises...like we heard for N900... after 1 year of owning it, still the same. Don't really look forward for the N9. :)

Well I've been also owning the N900 for almost a year, I am still as satisfied as the first d...month (i was gonna say day but i remember it took me a while to get used to it, lol). IMO, I honestly believe Maemo beats hands down Android, iOS, Symbian, and all the others. The Nokia N900 has introduced me to Linux and Open-Source'ness, and I fell in love with you. I am currently still considering replacing my entire WIndows machine at home with some sort of Linux.

Am VERY looking forward to the N9, it can only be an Epic Win

[tissot]

So did you guys hear? The famous (nokia-hating) Eldar Murtazin was deemed impressed with the "near-perfect" hardware of the N9! That is certainly a very good first impression :)

Click to view original post (http://forum2.mobile-review.com/showpost.php?p=891816&postcount=23660)

(Btw... I couldn't believe an actual blog comment was news-worthy... lol)

Actually i couldn't be more happy as he absolutely hated N900/Maemo 5 UI.
In a other hand Eldar really throws alot of info out there everyday and some hit, some don't. He knows alot there's no doubt about it, but there's lots of false info from him too(sometimes i think it's just for his agenda...). In that sense the "almost perfect" hw can mean anything. From the kind of specs we are expecting to having pretty much same specs but a golden nugget added like example A9 core rather than A8.

What i'm trying to say here is that we didn't really learn anything from his comment. ;)

[IsaacDFP]

What i'm trying to say here is that we didn't really learn anything from his comment. ;)

loll, that's what most people in that forum are saying, it's up to your own impressions :P
I say it could be the camera. The N8 has an incredibly amazing camera for a mobile device, and I'm 100% there is no logic in adding the same camera module on the N9 (for business reasons). I just hope we don't get the same 5mp lens that we got from N900...which itself got from the N97.

[tissot]

loll, that's what most people in that forum are saying, it's up to your own impressions :P
I say it could be the camera. The N8 has an incredibly amazing camera for a mobile device, and I'm 100% there is no logic in adding the same camera module on the N9 (for business reasons). I just hope we don't get the same 5mp lens that we got from N900...which itself got from the N97.

I actually got good feeling that we will see 12mpx in N9. There's a guy in MR forums that's in the know and he have hinted stronly N9 to have 12mpx AF camera.
Rumours of course, but still a rumour i can get behind. :)

[IsaacDFP]

I actually got good feeling that we will see 12mpx in N9.

I would definitively love that, it's just I'd rather not get my hopes too high, lol. Because I personally think that if they release the same camera lens in both N8 and N9, then... I don't see much of a future for the N8, im sure they're only gonna be a few bucks of difference anyways. But again, I'm gonna keep my hopes high to get an A9 core, lol. With that, I can even be satisfied with a 5mp camera, hehe.

[shady]

8mpx i would imagine ... it is not the camera flagship for nokia, but it will have a good sensor.

and i have a feeling were going to see an omap4430 ;) ... if by chance we also get a native 720p screen as well as the openness of linux, i cant wait.

[IsaacDFP]

8mpx i would imagine ... it is not the camera flagship for nokia, but it will have a good sensor.
This is something I would believe, 8mpx is pretty "reasonable" for 2010 technology.


Allllllll I trully ever wanted, was a device that could natively play a 720p .mkv file... SPECIALLY with a massive storage of 64gb+32gb, omg that's orgasmic, lol. I could just imagine, with HDMI-out, watching 720p files on large screens, just crazy.

[vvaz]

Well,

I showed this N8 vs. 550D shootout to some camera snobs and even they were quite impressed:

http://thehandheldblog.com/2010/10/04/shootout-nokia-n8-v-canon-550d-dslr/

If N9 has the same camera module, polish somewhat firmware AND keep price on N900 level I am sold on day one.

Note however that those specs are impressing for today. If Nokia delay N9 for half a year there will be competition and this hardware won't be looking so good.

[tissot]

Well N8 is selling for 470 euros now and at the time N9 comes out i would expect that price to drop more. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Nokia's flagship, N9 costs ~600 euros.
I mean Nokia haven't even had real high end portfolio for over a year already and i would think N9 wont have xenon. Thing that puzzles me is how could N8 camera module fit to N9? Guy over MR did say that the camera would have AF still.

A9 core to me would be much bigger surprise than any N8 camera module in a same time something i would rather see than amazing camera.

[shady]

omap4 would be a good strong move for market dominance amongst the tweakers. i think that 64gb is gonna be on point, i would like to see a microsdxc slot as well ... hdmi audio out, and usb audio out as well as LINE instead of merely headphone out. higher voltage swing from the DSP. anyway i hope that we get some info, we got a tear down a few weeks ago and then nothing, not even a clip of it running.

and a compass ... (i almost missed out on the N900 because of this) however the keyboard won out.

omap4, 1280*720 CBD, 1gb ram, 64gb storage + XC slot to start.

[TheBootroo]

my dream :

1.2Ghz A9 dual core processor, or even Morrestone, or (let be fool) quad core A15 at 2.0 ghz
1 ou 2Gb real RAM (not 256 mb + swap)
SGX450 graphics
64gb internal memory
microCD slot supporting new XDHC card (up to 128 GB !!)
MeeGo tweaked by nokia (with nokia tools : ovi...)
4.1" Resisitive but multitouch screen (like Stantum one) in 1280x720x32bit CBD
bluetooth 4.0
open GL 4.1
3G, 3G+ and 4G
Wifi N
IR (for some good remote control apps)
frontal 2mp webcam
rear full HD camera (at least 8MPx)
full QWERTY keyboard witt spaced keys (as on proto)
no button or holes on the face, a full black flat surface
alu casing, or baby skin (you know, this soft plastic, like on 5800's rear)
dolby surrond speakers
micro hdmi, micro usb (with charging, host, and OTG), and Jack 3.5
quick access physical keys for power, +/- and camera
a cache for the rear camera with auto on function
xenon flash + led one for some cases (like prolunged video taking or even torch app)
double sim support
removable 4000Mah lithium ion battery
design alliance between N9 proto and second nokia U project draft (http://www.journal-du-mobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/croquis-design-community-nokia-2.jpg) because i like the design and the speakers holes with usb dissimulated in.


EDIT: and i forgotten : gorilla glass screen, to be scratch proof and not need an ugly screen protection



PLEASE DO IT NOKIA, i would even pay 800$ for it if it exists...

[bugelrex]

my dream :

1.2Ghz A9 dual core processor, or even Morrestone, or (let be fool) quad core A15 at 2.0 ghz
1 ou 2Gb real RAM (not 256 mb + swap)
SGX450 graphics
64gb internal memory
microCD slot supporting new XDHC card (up to 128 GB !!)
MeeGo tweaked by nokia (with nokia tools : ovi...)
4.1" Resisitive but multitouch screen (like Stantum one) in 1280x720x32bit CBD
bluetooth 4.0
open GL 4.1
3G, 3G+ and 4G
Wifi N
IR (for some good remote control apps)
frontal 2mp webcam
rear full HD camera (at least 8MPx)
full QWERTY keyboard witt spaced keys (as on proto)
no button or holes on the face, a full black flat surface
alu casing, or baby skin (you know, this soft plastic, like on 5800's rear)
dolby surrond speakers
micro hdmi, micro usb (with charging, host, and OTG), and Jack 3.5
quick access physical keys for power, +/- and camera
a cache for the rear camera with auto on function
xenon flash + led one for some cases (like prolunged video taking or even torch app)
double sim support
removable 4000Mah lithium ion battery
design alliance between N9 proto and second nokia U project draft (http://www.journal-du-mobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/croquis-design-community-nokia-2.jpg) because i like the design and the speakers holes with usb dissimulated in.


PLEASE DO IT NOKIA, i would even pay 800$ for it if it exists...


That spec would cost much more than $800... the 4000Mah battery alone would be at least 100$

[TheBootroo]

why ? its quite the same specs as the N8 and its cost less than 500$...

[bugelrex]

why ? its quite the same specs as the N8 and its cost less than 500$...

Quite a few differences that are probably costly:
2Gb real RAM
4.1" Resisitive but multitouch screen (like Stantum one) in 1280x720x32bit CBD
removable 4000Mah lithium ion battery

[efekt]

hdmi audio out, and usb audio out
:confused::confused::confused:

[jsa]

why ? its quite the same specs as the N8 and its cost less than 500$...

Quite the same except for these parts. :D


1.2Ghz A9 dual core processor, or even Morrestone, or (let be fool) quad core A15 at 2.0 ghz
1 ou 2Gb real RAM (not 256 mb + swap)
SGX450 graphics
64gb internal memory
MeeGo tweaked by nokia (with nokia tools : ovi...)
4.1" Resisitive but multitouch screen (like Stantum one) in 1280x720x32bit CBD
bluetooth 4.0
open GL 4.1
4G
IR (for some good remote control apps)
full QWERTY keyboard witt spaced keys (as on proto)
a cache for the rear camera with auto on function
double sim support
removable 4000Mah lithium ion battery
gorilla glass screen

[javispedro]

- No OMAP4, as it's too late and OMAP3 was already mentioned (thus no Cortex A9).
- It will have a capacitive screen.
- No SDXC support, as Linux doesn't support writing to exFAT currently.
- No accelerated desktop OpenGL. OpenGL ES 2 only.

The rest of specs either don't matter (bezel color, exact CPU frequency, ...), can be guessed easily, or are related to whether it will have a keyboard or not (something I'm not going to put my finger on yet).

[cenwesi]

Pipe dream people... don't get your hopes too high because nokia is well known for killing peoples hope. There is NO way they we will get a device before the end of October, NO WAY!!!. They haven't even finished the OS... They better get their act together before Gingerbread comes out.

[tissot]

Please lets keep these "dream" specs out of this thread. :)
- No OMAP4, as it's too late and OMAP3 was already mentioned (thus no Cortex A9).

I do think N9 will have A8 inside, but what do you mean that it's too late? If Nokia would be putting A9 core inside N9 that decission would have happened long long time ago and N9 earliest release(end of Q4 this year) fits to the supposed OMAP4440/OMAP4430 shipping to customers, Q4 this year.

[slender]

Right. And then I woke up. Silly humans.

.edit
Get real people with your wishes. Sadly we are not yet speaking about desktop computers where you can just hocuspocus update components. We are talking about bulk devices that need beforehand reconstruction of cells and manufacturing lines before they are made. This means that HW is probably locked down year or maybe more in advance. Surely in future there will be mobile devices that you are able to probably even upgrade yourself but not yet.

[javispedro]

Nokia would be putting A9 core inside N9 that decission would have happened long long time agoExactly. And it happened more than a year and half ago, back when you couldn't even try to boot Linux on a OMAP4.

[GeneralAntilles]

- No SDXC support, as Linux doesn't support writing to it currently.


No rw support for exFAT, rather. SDXC works fine electronicall and mechanically even on the N800, it's just a function of using a non-proprietary filesystem.

[Rauha]

my dream :

1.2Ghz A9 dual core processor, or even Morrestone, or (let be fool) quad core A15 at 2.0 ghz
1 ou 2Gb real RAM (not 256 mb + swap)
SGX450 graphics
64gb internal memory
microCD slot supporting new XDHC card (up to 128 GB !!)
MeeGo tweaked by nokia (with nokia tools : ovi...)
4.1" Resisitive but multitouch screen (like Stantum one) in 1280x720x32bit CBD
bluetooth 4.0
open GL 4.1
3G, 3G+ and 4G
Wifi N
IR (for some good remote control apps)
frontal 2mp webcam
rear full HD camera (at least 8MPx)
full QWERTY keyboard witt spaced keys (as on proto)
no button or holes on the face, a full black flat surface
alu casing, or baby skin (you know, this soft plastic, like on 5800's rear)
dolby surrond speakers
micro hdmi, micro usb (with charging, host, and OTG), and Jack 3.5
quick access physical keys for power, +/- and camera
a cache for the rear camera with auto on function
xenon flash + led one for some cases (like prolunged video taking or even torch app)
double sim support
removable 4000Mah lithium ion battery
design alliance between N9 proto and second nokia U project draft (http://www.journal-du-mobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/croquis-design-community-nokia-2.jpg) because i like the design and the speakers holes with usb dissimulated in.


EDIT: and i forgotten : gorilla glass screen, to be scratch proof and not need an ugly screen protection



PLEASE DO IT NOKIA, i would even pay 800$ for it if it exists...
Resistive screen with gorilla glass wins the most absurd spec award.

[IsaacDFP]

I want the Nokia Morph !!!
That's my dream, now University of Cambridge, make it happen!

[javispedro]

Resistive screen with gorilla glass wins the most absurd spec award.
Actually, there have been some Palm handhelds with both resistive screens and glass.

If gorilla glass 'd work with any sensitivity, that I don't know.

[shady]

:confused::confused::confused:


for use with proper audio equipment ... some ppl cant carry their stuff around but want to sample DACs and AMPs with the music they listen to regularly. it would be nice to be able to output audio digitally ... usb is jittery though and so is HDMI however the HDMI has a much higher bandwidth for audio.

supposedly the N8 outputs audio over hdmi as well ... i have not read this officially though.


about the N9 having omap4, i dont think its so far fetched ... TI is a huge partner with nokia, omap4 has been available for quite sometime, since february i believe. now the blaze platform was only just released, shipments of the chips to manufacturers began a while ago, so it would fit the timeline of 12-16 months for producing the next top nokia device. TI has said that the first finished products would appear Q4 this year. we shall see, even if its omap4430 ... the battery savings would be near 40% according to TI.

as far as a capacitive, im saddened by this, i like using my screen whenever i please ... regardless, i hope the screen is 1280*720 if its not, thats cool too. but if it is, that would go a long way for recording HD videos, and viewing pictures.

i have no proof, but the november conference and the scope with which nokia partners with TI, its unlikely that they pimp the older proc, but then again the N97 surprised everyone with the weak proc ... so theres precedence for us to be let down immensely.

omap4 ftw!

about the FAT32 thing ... i dont get why SDXC couldnt be supported. up to 2TB per partition .. is it purely linux, cuz it doesnt seem like its a table allocation problem.

[wmarone]

about the FAT32 thing ... i dont get why SDXC couldnt be supported. up to 2TB per partition .. is it purely linux, cuz it doesnt seem like its a table allocation problem.
The "official" file system for SDXC is exFAT, which Microsoft wrote without any hint of data security and riddled with software patents. At this rate there will likely never be an exFAT driver integrated into the kernel and MS is being extremely controlling regarding the specs and who can make and use exFAT drivers.

Basically MS got the SD consortium to pull a fast one on every non-Windows user, and now Linux is a second-rate OS in the world of mobile memory cards.

[maxximuscool]

If N9 is still a cortext A8 and 512MB ram then I will pass :)

I'm not going to buy a device that soon will be outdated since A9 is ready to be in the production line already. So i'll wait.. May be Intel MeeGo instead of Nokia MeeNO..

[allnameswereout]

[....]
about the FAT32 thing ... i dont get why SDXC couldnt be supported. up to 2TB per partition .. is it purely linux, cuz it doesnt seem like its a table allocation problem.Antilles already explained this.

SDXC opted for Microsoft's proprietary ExFAT as default filesystem, so devices with which you can use a SDXC card have to support r/w support for ExFAT. Only then do they support the SDXC standard.

Hence, if you just keep your card inside your 'N9' and its formatted say Ext3FS nothing is wrong. If you stick the card in your Linux laptop it will also work. But when you stick it in anything else (a digital camera, a Windows machine, a Mac machine) it won't work since these devices cannot read/write Ext3FS.

Theres some hope here 'n there tho

Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 (both x86 and x64) users can add support for exFAT by installing an update from Microsoft.[1] An experimental, open source Linux kernel module that supports the reading of exFAT files is currently under development.[5] A FUSE-based full-featured implementation is currently in beta status.[6] A proprietary, read/write solution, licensed and derived from the Microsoft exFAT implementation, is available for Android, Linux and other operating systems from Tuxera.[7] A proprietary, full-featured implementation—XCFiles—is available from Datalight.[8] A third party open source driver is available for DOS.[9](Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExFAT))

Unfortunately a lousy solution since it all won't work by default which equals to the consumer won't eat our dogfood but will eat Microsoft's proprietary ExFAT crap.

[jcompagner]

i would be satisfied with N900*2..
And then the 32GB flash mem doesnt have to follow the *2 rule... ( i am fine with 32GB on board with a SDHC, SDXC would be nice but i guess that exFat problem will not help..)

so,
dual core,
512MB ram (i think that would work fine for me looking to my current ram usage, 256 is just to little)
512MB rootfs instead of that 256MB but 1.3 did fix most of the problems for me in this area, but the larger this area is the faster the phone because this is the fastest flash there is on the N900..

But dual core is for me a must, the N900 is sometimes just to slow because i do multiply things at the same time... Don't think i will buy the N9 if it is still a A8 on 1Ghz, that wont be much faster then my N900 on 900Mhz.... (or the ram must do a lot)

[IsaacDFP]

Nokia wouldn't use the same A8 on the N9... They must've learn how mad and disappointed we were back in the days with the N97, they should know we will be enraged if they repeat the same mistake... The N9 is MEANT to go with the A9... Listen Up Nokia!

And also, for the Rootfs storage, I know Nokia must've been very involved within the Brainstorming idea around it, they know we need way more than 256mb

[tissot]

Nokia wouldn't use the same A8 on the N9... They must've learn how mad and disappointed we were back in the days with the N97, they should know we will be enraged if they repeat the same mistake... The N9 is MEANT to go with the A9... Listen Up Nokia!

And also, for the Rootfs storage, I know Nokia must've been very involved within the Brainstorming idea around it, they know we need way more than 256mb

Well it for sure isn't the same A8 core. Probably OMAP36xx.

[sophocha]

Just wait for 4-5 years and your dream will come true.I can still remember my 486 processor....technology is advancing fast

my dream :

1.2Ghz A9 dual core processor, or even Morrestone, or (let be fool) quad core A15 at 2.0 ghz
1 ou 2Gb real RAM (not 256 mb + swap)
SGX450 graphics
64gb internal memory
microCD slot supporting new XDHC card (up to 128 GB !!)
MeeGo tweaked by nokia (with nokia tools : ovi...)
4.1" Resisitive but multitouch screen (like Stantum one) in 1280x720x32bit CBD
bluetooth 4.0
open GL 4.1
3G, 3G+ and 4G
Wifi N
IR (for some good remote control apps)
frontal 2mp webcam
rear full HD camera (at least 8MPx)
full QWERTY keyboard witt spaced keys (as on proto)
no button or holes on the face, a full black flat surface
alu casing, or baby skin (you know, this soft plastic, like on 5800's rear)
dolby surrond speakers
micro hdmi, micro usb (with charging, host, and OTG), and Jack 3.5
quick access physical keys for power, +/- and camera
a cache for the rear camera with auto on function
xenon flash + led one for some cases (like prolunged video taking or even torch app)
double sim support
removable 4000Mah lithium ion battery
design alliance between N9 proto and second nokia U project draft (http://www.journal-du-mobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/croquis-design-community-nokia-2.jpg) because i like the design and the speakers holes with usb dissimulated in.


EDIT: and i forgotten : gorilla glass screen, to be scratch proof and not need an ugly screen protection



PLEASE DO IT NOKIA, i would even pay 800$ for it if it exists...

[shadowjk]

Most of stutter during multitasking is due to IO not CPU, so you definitely want more ram before dual core cpu for multitasking..

[IsaacDFP]

Why is everybody ignoring my dream of releasing the Nokia Morph... :(

[IsaacDFP]

But still for some reason, I tend to think the N9 won't see the day of light with the A9 inside... It is still too recent. For exemple:
OMAP4440 - 1+ GHz dual-core ARM Cortex-A9 MPCore + PowerVR SGX540 GPU + C64x+ DSP + ISP
There is no public need for all that power just yet...
"The board itself measures 4.0 x 4.5 inches and includes not only the dual-core OMAP4 chip but 1GB of RAM and a plethora of connectivity. There’s WiFi and Bluetooth, HDMI capable of 1080p HD video, DVI, 10/100 ethernet and USB 2.0 (two Host, one OTG); you also get an SD/MMC memory card slot, serial port and audio in/out, along with various other expansion connectors."
I think the N9 would be nice enough AT LEAST with:
OMAP3640 - 1 GHz ARM Cortex A8 + PowerVR SGX530 GPU + 430 MHz C64x+ DSP + ISP
What do you guys think?

[sjgadsby]

Unfortunately a lousy solution since it all won't work by default which equals to the consumer won't eat our dogfood but will eat Microsoft's proprietary ExFAT crap.

Tuxera specifically mentions MeeGo on their exFAT for Embedded Systems page (http://www.tuxera.com/products/exfat-for-embedded-systems/). The language related to MeeGo on that page has been toned down, but as recently as June, the page proudly proclaimed MeeGo as a licensee alongside Android.

That doesn't imply anything for the N9, of course, but there may be some MeeGo devices at some point that ship with exFAT support enabled out of the box.

[wmarone]

Tuxera specifically mentions MeeGo on their exFAT for Embedded Systems page (http://www.tuxera.com/products/exfat-for-embedded-systems/). The language related to MeeGo on that page has been toned down, but as recently as June, the page proudly proclaimed MeeGo as a licensee alongside Android.
Which is nonsensical as nothing in MeeGo is closed source. At best it is "compatible" which isn't hard if you load up as a kernel module.

That doesn't imply anything for the N9, of course, but there may be some MeeGo devices at some point that ship with exFAT support enabled out of the box.
Probably. Still a bunch of BS that MS managed to basically force their proprietary, patent riddled file system on a standard.

[Lullen]

But still for some reason, I tend to think the N9 won't see the day of light with the A9 inside... It is still too recent. For exemple:
OMAP4440 - 1+ GHz dual-core ARM Cortex-A9 MPCore + PowerVR SGX540 GPU + C64x+ DSP + ISP
There is no public need for all that power just yet...
"The board itself measures 4.0 x 4.5 inches and includes not only the dual-core OMAP4 chip but 1GB of RAM and a plethora of connectivity. There’s WiFi and Bluetooth, HDMI capable of 1080p HD video, DVI, 10/100 ethernet and USB 2.0 (two Host, one OTG); you also get an SD/MMC memory card slot, serial port and audio in/out, along with various other expansion connectors."
I think the N9 would be nice enough AT LEAST with:
OMAP3640 - 1 GHz ARM Cortex A8 + PowerVR SGX530 GPU + 430 MHz C64x+ DSP + ISP
What do you guys think?
There is always need for more power! The thing with N9 is that it is a mobile computer wich mean it should do what your laptop can do but on a smaller screen. I would love to have the N9 as my only computer as I do not play any games, just websites, movies, and social stuff. And for that you need a bit more power then the N9 will have, so the need is there.

If Nokia releases N9 with A8 and one month later the A9, with better preformance and less power consuming, comes it will look bad. With that I did not say I'm not going to buy it if it comes with A8, it will take more then that to make me stay away from that piece of awesomeness.

[javispedro]

Sigh. Is history always doomed to repeat itself, gentleman?

(See discussions -- even my own, back when I still had some optimism:) -- about the N900 CPU back when it was in the making).

Somebody will ALWAYS release something better The DAY after the N900+1 comes. You can count on that. If it doesn't happen, humanity is doomed.

[kd_alex]

Somebody will ALWAYS release something better The DAY after the N900+1 comes. You can count on that. If it doesn't happen, humanity is doomed.

Word! If I always waited for the latest and greatest I would never buy anything.

[jcompagner]

Most of stutter during multitasking is due to IO not CPU, so you definitely want more ram before dual core cpu for multitasking..

this is not true, conky or other process managers are showing the cpu usage when i notice it is very busy. So for me it is really the cpu where i wait for.

Just use FeedingIt rss feeder, let it sync all the feeds. And then start doing something else. It is just crunching the cpu.

[Bratag]

this is not true, conky or other process managers are showing the cpu usage when i notice it is very busy. So for me it is really the cpu where i wait for.

Just use FeedingIt rss feeder, let it sync all the feeds. And then start doing something else. It is just crunching the cpu.

Considering this

a) FeedintIt is a heavy IO use app because its downloading to local storage. You have both Network and Disk IO.

b) IO heavy in most cases = cpu heavy.

[IsaacDFP]

There is always need for more power!

Of course there is always need for everything and anything, but i really meant it more as in "public"/general need...


I do not play any games, just websites, movies, and social stuff. And for that you need a bit more power then the N9 will have, so the need is there.


I feel you, I am the same, if data plans from TelCos were more flexible (i need minimum about 100gb per month...), i wouldnt have the need for a computer. Unfortunately, people like you and me represent a very small percentage of the general customers, so a corporation wouldn't really see the point in satisfying 2-3% of its clients by risking loss in the market. :(
But dont get me wrong, im still hoping and wishing the N9 comes with the A9

[Lullen]

Word! If I always waited for the latest and greatest I would never buy anything.

Then you never have the latest and greatest...? If you always want the latest and greatest you always buy the latest and greatest when it comes out. Am I right?

And by the way I understand all those waiting for the A9 wich will probebly be out at max 2month after the N9. It is still 150% faster then the A8 and 2x better then SGX530. That is not a small difference! With that performance I guess even the laggy maemo 5 will be lightning fast!

But really, if the N9 does not have A9 who would really go to android to get it? After having a N900 for 6 months I will never buy an android phone :)

[egoshin]

this is not true, conky or other process managers are showing the cpu usage when i notice it is very busy.

But is not 100%, right? The bottleneck is flash IO bandwidth.

Just use FeedingIt rss feeder, let it sync all the feeds. And then start doing something else. It is just crunching the cpu.

It is always possible to write software which eats all CPU resource and Microsoft proved that for sure.

But for generic fast device response the bottleneck should be widened.

[maxximuscool]

If N9 doesn't get Dual Core Arm and more than than 512MB, more flash than 512MB then I will not get the N9.

End of story. Game Over.

If Nokia wants to make a mark in the modern smartphone computing market then Nokia has to take a dive. Apple did that with their 3GS back in 2007. The hardware was the main factor to attract geeks like us and people who would want to do things faster than waiting 10seconds for a task to load.

[Lullen]

So you want a bad OS instead of a almost top notch cpu? I do not really get your thinking here...

[wmarone]

I missed this:

If N9 doesn't get Dual Core Arm and more than than 512MB, more flash than 512MB then I will not get the N9.
More than 512MB, sure. A9? I doubt it. I doubt anyone will have A9 based phones for some time.

Apple did that with their 3GS back in 2007. The hardware was the main factor to attract geeks like us and people who would want to do things faster than waiting 10seconds for a task to load.
Err, you sure? The 3Gs came out ~3 months before the N900 was announced and had virtually identical hardware. And no, Apple does not attract "geeks like us," they don't want us because we do things like jailbreak the devices and escape their walled garden. And sure, it's easy to load a task quick when you can only have one task running at a time.

So you want a bad OS instead of a almost top notch cpu? I do not really get your thinking here...

What's a bad OS? I wouldn't say Maemo (5/6) is a bad OS, it's just not optimized for the flavor-of-the-month iPhone crowd. In terms of letting me do what I want, it has no equal.

On the other hand, an A9 backing Windows Phone 7 (or iOS) would be the biggest waste of silicon I could think of, since the OS deliberately limits what you can do with it.

[Venemo]

What's a bad OS? I wouldn't say Maemo (5/6) is a bad OS, it's just not optimized for the flavor-of-the-month iPhone crowd. In terms of letting me do what I want, it has no equal.

Agreed.

On the other hand, an A9 backing Windows Phone 7 (or iOS) would be the biggest waste of silicon I could think of

Yeah, I completely agree with this, too! :)

[theonelaw]

Antilles already explained this.

SDXC opted for Microsoft's proprietary ExFAT as default filesystem, so devices with which you can use a SDXC card have to support r/w support for ExFAT. Only then do they support the SDXC standard.

Hence, if you just keep your card inside your 'N9' and its formatted say Ext3FS nothing is wrong. If you stick the card in your Linux laptop it will also work. But when you stick it in anything else (a digital camera, a Windows machine, a Mac machine) it won't work since these devices cannot read/write Ext3FS.

Theres some hope here 'n there tho

(Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExFAT))

Unfortunately a lousy solution since it all won't work by default which equals to the consumer won't eat our dogfood but will eat Microsoft's proprietary ExFAT crap.

Just to clarify a bit,
many of us would hope the sd card, be it hc or xc,
would be mostly useful only as a permanent local storage
rather than for swapping in and out for transferring data.
(I thought that's why they invented wifi/bluetooth/usb ports :D)
This is only reasonable, of course, if the USB functionality exists
for external storage requirements. (which n900 lacks)

The inability to (casually) use it in a m$ environment I regard as a
highly desirable security feature - No one could simply pop the
sd card out and read it in their wincrap device.
I would probably (as suggested here (http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?/topic/54928-64gb-sdxc-cards/)) format ext3 and only ever plan on
popping it into my other linux machines on the rare occasion of firing up a new test-boot system or cleanup...

[Lullen]

What's a bad OS? I wouldn't say Maemo (5/6) is a bad OS, it's just not optimized for the flavor-of-the-month iPhone crowd. In terms of letting me do what I want, it has no equal.


I ment does he really want android(bad os) instead of a almost top notch cpu(1Ghz A8). I have tried android a few times and I can not understand why it is sooooo much better then symbian. Maemo6 vs android is like comparing win98 to win7 :) (with the assumption that maemo6 is like maemo5 but less laggy and better phone stuff)

[pelago]

Just to clarify a bit,
many of us would hope the sd card, be it hc or xc,
would be mostly useful only as a permanent local storage
rather than for swapping in and out for transferring data.It's worth remembering that when plugging the device into a host PC and mounting the internal storage as a Mass Storage Class device, the host OS will need to understand the filesystem on the card. So the filesystem isn't only of importance to internal mobile device operations.

[shadowjk]

this is not true, conky or other process managers are showing the cpu usage when i notice it is very busy. So for me it is really the cpu where i wait for.

Just use FeedingIt rss feeder, let it sync all the feeds. And then start doing something else. It is just crunching the cpu.


The WA value is "Cpu is idle because it's waiting on IO to deliver data or code to execute". So it should be treated as idle for this purpose.

Of course, if one process is executing something small at 100%, you wont notice the WA value going up. In that case, something like top running over ssh with 1s refresh to your pc's display and checking that display for processes with "D" in their status column finds all the processes stuck waiting on IO..

[allnameswereout]

It's worth remembering that when plugging the device into a host PC and mounting the internal storage as a Mass Storage Class device, the host OS will need to understand the filesystem on the card. So the filesystem isn't only of importance to internal mobile device operations.Even though other OSes can achieve read-only support of Ext2FS/Ext3FS these drivers aren't installed by default on Windows and many other devices. Also note Ext3FS is a journaling FS. This might not be desirable on a SD card.

[noipv4]

Nokia to launch Meego in 2011
http://news.ciol.com/News/News/News-Reports/Nokia-to-launch-Meego-in-2011/142242/0/

[shady]

^ just wait for http://conference2010.meego.com/ no blog speculation based on intels information. nokia hasnt said anything about meego ... all they talk about is sym3

[theflew]

Well it for sure isn't the same A8 core. Probably OMAP36xx.

I wonder if they'll mate it to an external GPU like the N8? I would image the N9 will have HDMI out and the OMAP36XX series isn't capable of that.

[theflew]

Nokia to launch Meego in 2011
http://news.ciol.com/News/News/News-Reports/Nokia-to-launch-Meego-in-2011/142242/0/

I don't think this means much since we know the N9 isn't running Meego proper.

[tissot]

I wonder if they'll mate it to an external GPU like the N8? I would image the N9 will have HDMI out and the OMAP36XX series isn't capable of that.

Well Droid X got OMAP3630 and HDMI out.

[wmarone]

Well Droid X got OMAP3630 and HDMI out.
Not having used a Droid X but having seen a BeagleBoard, I suspect that when you activate the HDMI it disables the onboard display. I doubt they'll mate it to an external GPU due to the fact that the OMAP36xx has a decent onboard GPU, whereas most ARM11 chips (save the Tegra) don't.

[phr]

Elop announced that Nokia's first Meego device won't be til 2011.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/21/stephen-elop-first-meego-device-is-a-2011-event/

It's spun other ways on other different sites.