N9 is comng soon??

[chase15]

Nokia just published this new video and it is more likely about "mobile computing.. and is it possibly the n900 successor, the n9, will be announced soon??.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KUSFy_sWoo

[xtian]

I think it's more on promoting their NSeries. Like the N8, it doesn't have the typical 1 GHZ processor that most phones are coming out nowadays. They want to show that you can do so much more with their phones.

[ceroberts75]

hmmm...dunno.

different kind of ad though.


they sure do think different on the other side of the pond.

[Snoshrk]

hope hope this bodes well for an N9 release....

&

I especially liked the youtube suggested Leaked Droid X AD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zhHwim6cV8&feature=fvwk) (1984 / Mac Ad parody)

[matthew maude]

the mobile computing part suggests the next in line from the N900 but seen as its only a teaser, it means nothing really.
the "N9" needs to be rebranded as well cos it seems silly having 3 different OS all branded as "N" series - and it needs a 2.5Ghz dualcore processor (2Ghz/500Mhz) with 8mp 1080p camera with xenon flash and a matching multitouch resistive screen. and a hw keyboard with an added joy stick that comes out/retracts when you open/close its 4" screen which just happens to sit up like the N97's did :-D

[mikecomputing]

I dont think nokia will release a meego phone this year just announce it hopefully at the meego conference...

but I dont hold my breath anymore...

just silence and I begin to think meego is halfdead project already. And another thing I noticed in media today readed that Intel had plans for "googletv" dont know mush about that project but that sounds alot android warning too me.

A little bit offtopic but the swedish mobile cmpany Sony Ericsson just dished symbian and plans to use android and winmobile in future mobiles.

Ofcourse I prefer Linux and meego+QT and new QT sdk looks very promising both on symbian and meego. But if only nokia will use S^4/Meego it I begin too think it really is dead end...

I really hope I am wrong but it need to happening something big now from nokia.

E7 looks promising as a bussines phone but N8 just looks like a bigjoke to mee.

time to release a meego killercomputerphone NOW else the project wiil die.

please dont take this as whining or trolling cause the truth is I like N900 and Maemo/meego but still...

[wmarone]

just silence and I begin to think meego is halfdead project already.
Well spreading fear and the like is a good way to pre-emptively kill a project.

time to release a meego killercomputerphone NOW else the project wiil die.
Now now now! Everything has to happen right now, this quarter! The future doesn't matter!

It's attitudes like that which will screw you long term. Like everyone saying Nokia should give up and use Android or Windows Phone. Sure, they could do it. And in the long term they'll be easily replaced and have nothing going for them. This issue will likely become an issue for HTC, Samsung and Motorola in their relationship with Google, I suspect.

This project isn't bound to the success or failure of Nokia's smartphone, I assure you. And personally, if it didn't take off I wouldn't be rushing to support any other mobile OS, most of which are a greater antithesis to the concept of being "Open" and "Free" than Android ever was.

[3beers]

But if only nokia will use S^4/Meego it I begin too think it really is dead end...



I don't think it's such a bad idea if only nokia will use meego as a phone os. this way will not have fragmentation.
intel is going in as many way as possible . they are interested in selling hardware, not making money from software. they also invested a lot in meego so I don't think they'll quit the project.

[patlak]

E7 looks promising as a bussines phone but N8 just looks like a bigjoke to mee.

No..........obviously there is no reason to call you a troll, especially after we finally get a well worthy replacement to the N82. A 12 mpx camera with the largest sensor in a phone, larger than most P&S cameras, with a xenon flash, dual mics for stereo audio capture during 720p recording. Really, I agree with you 100%. It certainly is a big joke.

HINT: Reread the quote multiple times and look up the meaning of a troll.

[ScottishDuck]

No..........obviously there is no reason to call you a troll, especially after we finally get a well worthy replacement to the N82. A 12 mpx camera with the largest sensor in a phone, larger than most P&S cameras, with a xenon flash, dual mics for stereo audio capture during 720p recording. Really, I agree with you 100%. It certainly is a big joke.

HINT: Reread the quote multiple times and look up the meaning of a troll.

Great now I can use all those great features on a good OS. Wait, no, I can't.

[tirtawn]

the ads just a little bit weird when the the guy try to take photo. at the point, my connection to youtube was stuck, so I end up with a guy with a bloated eye....blahhh...

[ysss]

Both Microsoft and Nokia change their message 180' to the tune of 'specs don't matter, it's what they do that matter'... I wonder why? ;)

[mmurfin87]

Nokia just published this new video and it is more likely about "mobile computing.. and is it possibly the n900 successor, the n9, will be announced soon??.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KUSFy_sWoo

That ad epitomizes everything wrong that happens at Nokia and why they are in the position they're in.

[Sopwith]

Both Microsoft and Nokia change their message 180' to the tune of 'specs don't matter, it's what they do that matter'... I wonder why? ;)

Microsoft and specs? I don't follow... are you referring to any particular example?

[wmarone]

That ad epitomizes everything wrong that happens at Nokia and why they are in the position they're in.
How, exactly?

Oh I know, they shouldn't emphasize creation and doing things, instead they should play more to the lowest common denominator of blind consumerism and "style over substance!"

Nokia is overestimating the intelligence of most people? Is that what you're saying?

[Sopwith]

hmmm...dunno.

different kind of ad though.


they sure do think different on the other side of the pond.

I find it quite similar to the Android ads. Human body compared to the machine, body parts changing...

I don't care about their marketing. They are painfully slow in delivering the ready product.

[ysss]

Microsoft and specs? I don't follow... are you referring to any particular example?

Oops, must've been thinking of their OEMs ;)

[patlak]

Great now I can use all those great features on a good OS. Wait, no, I can't.

And Symbian is a bad OS how??? Does it lack.........what shall I call it..........MAKEUP?
It has a fast growing app store including new 3D accelerated games by which most people seem to judge an OS on. Symbian is capable of playing all types of codecs without the need of an app. Qt cross platform framework makes it future proof. Most optimized mobile OS......OPEN SOURCE........the phone that carries it is the most feature rich phone available..........hmmmm

[longcat]

And Symbian is a bad OS how??? Does it lack.........what shall I call it..........MAKEUP?
It has a fast growing app store including new 3D accelerated games by which most people seem to judge an OS on. Symbian is capable of playing all types of codecs without the need of an app. Qt cross platform framework makes it future proof. Most optimized mobile OS......OPEN SOURCE........the phone that carries it is the most feature rich phone available..........hmmmm

Symbian sucks because it's not iOS, nokia sucks because it won't adopt android... I can go further, but these are the key points of average consumer's point of view. Former two (Apple and Google) are popular just because of US mainstream media which promotes them to the stars (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/27/pew_research_center_study/)...

[ossipena]

Great now I can use all those great features on a good OS. Wait, no, I can't.

yeah, you might accidentally multitask and it is really bad thing....

[efekt]

Great now I can use all those great features on a good OS. Wait, no, I can't.
Man you're lucky! you probably had so much time messing with Symbian^3 that you can certainly write this and be sure its true... For how long do you own a Symbian^3 phone?
Ah, you probably don't have one, becuase it wasn't released yet. Well thats funny, you see - I myself don't tend to rank something before I even try it, but I guess you're something special, ain't ya? :rolleyes:

[digital909]

hmmm...dunno.

different kind of ad though.


they sure do think different on the other side of the pond.

I agree. I like the Nokia ads, the one for the N8 (girl in forest) is a bit random but sweet.

However, Nokia are missing a ticket with the US market - I think this type of campaign just looks a bit euro-kooky in the US and doesn't really get the product noticed.

[patlak]

Symbian sucks because it's not iOS, nokia sucks because it won't adopt android... I can go further, but these are the key points of average consumer's point of view. Former two (Apple and Google) are popular just because of US mainstream media which promotes them to the stars (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/27/pew_research_center_study/)...

And the U.S. media really know their facts when comparing the competition. 5 reasons why N8 won't beat iphone 4 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39368196/ns/business-motley_fool/)

[longcat]

msnbc, the unbiased source of the (what?) century !

[patlak]

msnbc, the unbiased source of the (what?) century !

The awful thing is that people believe it and buy a more expensive iphone without using a gram of their brain to research which is better. :(

[longcat]

The awful thing is that people believe it and buy a more expensive iphone without using a gram of their brain to research which is better. :(

that's not awful, that's fun ! :D

[ysss]

The awful thing is that people believe it and buy a more expensive iphone without using a gram of their brain to research which is better. :(

Do you really believe what you're saying in that context? :D

[Sopwith]

And the U.S. media really know their facts when comparing the competition. 5 reasons why N8 won't beat iphone 4 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39368196/ns/business-motley_fool/)

The article you cite is rather stupid. First, I doubt that anyone expects that N8 is trying to beat iPhone 4, not even fanboys here are so delusional -- so the author's mother may have had an affair with Captain Obvious 15 years ago ;)

Second, at least some of the points are true, because N8 is not an as high-end device as iPhone 4 -- thus, lower processing power, less memory, and why forget the screen resolution?

Third, two of the arguments are idiotic -- both devices have unreplaceable battery, so why use this as an argument; saying that Symbian is worse than iOS is highly subjective and most likely flawed.

Stupid article written by a 14-year old...

[patlak]

that's not awful, that's fun ! :D

Don't try to awaken that spirit, I tried to cover it :P

[patlak]

The article you cite is rather stupid. First, I doubt that anyone expects that N8 is trying to beat iPhone 4, not even fanboys here are so delusional -- so the author's mother may have had an affair with Captain Obvious 15 years ago ;)

Second, at least some of the points are true, because N8 is not an as high-end device as iPhone 4 -- thus, lower processing power, less memory, and why forget the screen resolution?

Third, two of the arguments are idiotic -- both devices have unreplaceable battery, so why use this as an argument; saying that Symbian is worse than iOS is highly subjective and most likely flawed.

Stupid article written by a 14-year old...

Well you didn't have to analyze the article yourself since someone already did quite thoroughly :)

Analysis by someone older than 14 (http://mynokiablog.com/2010/09/26/rant-5-reasons-msnbc-tech-writer-is-clueless-about-nokia-refutation-to-5-reasons-nokias-n8-wont-beat-the-iphone-4/)

Processing power seems higher on N8 :D

[tissot]

Nokia just published this new video and it is more likely about "mobile computing.. and is it possibly the n900 successor, the n9, will be announced soon??.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KUSFy_sWoo

It's just a N series ad. Those who are using "mobile computer" as proof of it being N9 just remember that Nokia have been using that slogan for Symbian phones as well for ages.

[leviathan18]

The article you cite is rather stupid. First, I doubt that anyone expects that N8 is trying to beat iPhone 4, not even fanboys here are so delusional -- so the author's mother may have had an affair with Captain Obvious 15 years ago ;)

Second, at least some of the points are true, because N8 is not an as high-end device as iPhone 4 -- thus, lower processing power, less memory, and why forget the screen resolution?

Third, two of the arguments are idiotic -- both devices have unreplaceable battery, so why use this as an argument; saying that Symbian is worse than iOS is highly subjective and most likely flawed.

Stupid article written by a 14-year old...

afaik the n8 battery is user replaceable you just need a screwdriver

[riahc3]

We wont hear anything about the N9 soon until (wow I forgot what it was called but I think it is....) Meamo World that is in November.

[sjgadsby]

It's just a N series ad. Those who are using "mobile computer" as proof of it being N9 just remember that Nokia have been using that slogan for Symbian phones as well for ages.

Yes, and an ad promoting "fluent in Java" would be odd introduction to a Maemo MeeGo device.

[bsving]

Yes, and an ad promoting "fluent in Java" would be odd introduction to a Maemo MeeGo device.

Yes, and that is in fact odd. A "mobile computer" must have Java out of the box, or at least installable by a simple click. I have a feeling that the MeeGo UX on the N9 will be surprisingly different than a "stock" MeeGo UX.

[sjgadsby]

Yes, and that is in fact odd. A "mobile computer" must have Java out of the box, or at least installable by a simple click.

I don't anticipate Nokia will be providing Java support on the MeeGo-Harmattan device. It would be up to a third party to make it available.

[RAZOR]

E7 looks promising as a bussines phone but N8 just looks like a bigjoke to mee.

Are you for real? N8 looks like a joke? Have you even used one?

Name one phone that has 12mp camera, Xenon flash, 720p recording, HDMI, USB-OTG, Digital dolby plus, Bluetooth 3.0, Wifi n and one of the most powerful GPU around with all the usual Nokia goodies packed in a anodized aluminium body only for 370 euros? Name one?

.. or you just made yourself look like a joke.

[!!Nokia N900!!]

so can we say that, Maemo will be improve for the N900?

[TheBootroo]

i really hope seeing some new N9 leaks soon, instead of wrong info or very old leak....

[tissot]

i really hope seeing some new N9 leaks soon, instead of wrong info or very old leak....

I would rather take the announcement of it that was promised to be before end of this year by Vanjoki in Nokia World.

[gerbick]

Name one phone that has 12mp camera, Xenon flash, 720p recording, HDMI, USB-OTG, Digital dolby plus, Bluetooth 3.0, Wifi n and one of the most powerful GPU around with all the usual Nokia goodies packed in a anodized aluminium body only for 370 euros? Name one?

All are great features... but let's be honest. 640x360 screen almost kills the pluses it has.

And that won't change until the next OS iteration. After being at 800x480, I refuse to step down.

[bugelrex]

All are great features... but let's be honest. 640x360 screen almost kills the pluses it has.

And that won't change until the next OS iteration. After being at 800x480, I refuse to step down.

I honestly think the N8 will sell like hotcakes, people in Europe/Asia are crazy about taking photos. If the quality of the sample photos can be achieved through "normal" conditions then no other phone is even close.

If you don't care about the camera, there are much much better options out there. We can trust nokia to cripple the N9 camera/flash so it wont eat sales of the n8.

[efekt]

All are great features... but let's be honest. 640x360 screen almost kills the pluses it has.
Did it "kill" other devices, like the iPhone preior to the 4th iPhone?

Buttom line - 'mass market' users (who which the N8 is directed to) doesn't care about the screen resolution that much, as long as the display quality looks decent.

[gerbick]

Did it "kill" other devices, like the iPhone preior to the 4th iPhone?

Oh, what the **** will it be? Use the iPhone to show how inferior it is when it suits your purposes whilst contrasting to something Nokia offers... or use the iPhone when it supports your purposes?

Either it is a piece of junk like the majority of this forum has pointed out time and time again and it hasn't sold nearly as well as Nokia's offerings... or it's a great seller and has sold damn well despite of Nokia's offerings.

You people tend to straddle either side of that fence when it suits your needs.

Simply put... the iPhone (pre-iPhone 4) resolution was ridiculed here. I personally hated it - it didn't measure up to my N810. I suffered, it sucked, it was passable, I couldn't wait to get back to what I was used to... 800x480. And I jumped to the Samsung Captivate, which has (surprise) 800x480 as its resolution.

As so does the N900, Nexus One, Droid, Droid X and a whole slew of other phones. But to compare a screen of a phone released in 2007 to a phone that's yet to be released in 2010 is downright stupid as hell. And to use the fallback to the oft-ridiculed iPhone (pre-iPhone 4) screen resolution as an argument doesn't make it right. It's an excuse. Symbian^3 shouldn't be limited. And people have to wait for Symbian^4 for a higher resolution phone?

Bollocks.

But I do agree... the N8 will sell like mf'n hotcakes. Priced well, awesome camera/video capabilities, a great set of options, iffy RAM but I'm willing to bet power users won't buy the N8 en masse, they'll be sticking around for the N9.

But to keep going back to the well for the iPhone (pre-iPhone 4) resolution and looking at it as a sign of what sold well and what might still sell well. It ain't 2007 no more.

Buttom line - 'mass market' users (who which the N8 is directed to) doesn't care about the screen resolution that much, as long as the display quality looks decent.

I agree fully. But guess what... I'm here. I'd have to say that only a very small portion of the people here are considered "mass market" types. You guys know too damn much to be considered "mass market" types.

The screen resolution is lacking too much for my likes. I have a limit, I am not stepping below it ever again. I was speaking then and now of myself.

[efekt]

Oh, what the **** will it be? Use the iPhone to show how inferior it is when it suits your purposes whilst contrasting to something Nokia offers... or use the iPhone when it supports your purposes?

Either it is a piece of junk like the majority of this forum has pointed out time and time again and it hasn't sold nearly as well as Nokia's offerings... or it's a great seller and has sold damn well despite of Nokia's offerings.

You people tend to straddle either side of that fence when it suits your needs.

Simply put... the iPhone (pre-iPhone 4) resolution was ridiculed here. I personally hated it - it didn't measure up to my N810. I suffered, it sucked, it was passable, I couldn't wait to get back to what I was used to... 800x480. And I jumped to the Samsung Captivate, which has (surprise) 800x480 as its resolution.

As so does the N900, Nexus One, Droid, Droid X and a whole slew of other phones. But to compare a screen of a phone released in 2007 to a phone that's yet to be released in 2010 is downright stupid as hell. And to use the fallback to the oft-ridiculed iPhone (pre-iPhone 4) screen resolution as an argument doesn't make it right. It's an excuse. Symbian^3 shouldn't be limited. And people have to wait for Symbian^4 for a higher resolution phone?

Bollocks.

But I do agree... the N8 will sell like mf'n hotcakes. Priced well, awesome camera/video capabilities, a great set of options, iffy RAM but I'm willing to bet power users won't buy the N8 en masse, they'll be sticking around for the N9.

But to keep going back to the well for the iPhone (pre-iPhone 4) resolution and looking at it as a sign of what sold well and what might still sell well. It ain't 2007 no more.
Chill man.
Just mentioned a simple fact - don't over-elaborate or make it a statement as complex as a brain surgery.

I agree fully. But guess what... I'm here. I'd have to say that only a very small portion of the people here are considered "mass market" types. You guys know too damn much to be considered "mass market" types.

The screen resolution is lacking too much for my likes. I have a limit, I am not stepping below it ever again. I was speaking then and now of myself.
Nice.
I don't care. I wasn't talking about either you or me or 95% of the people who are visiting this forum on a regular basis - I was talking about the rest of the people who buy smartphones.
We (and I'm allowing myself to be included in this group) are NOT the average consumer, so please don't judge the N8 from this point of view - the N8 is meant for the same people who buy a mid-high end smartphone, such as the Samsung I5800 Galaxy 3 and yes - even the iPhone 3GS.
We are interested in the Ghz-crunching monster phones, the high (if not highest) end phones, which costs almost like a decent laptop, but have almost the same abilities as a laptop - the N8 is not for us (well, maybe it can suite us only as a nice toy to pass a little time with).
We're after the N9 (well, at least as long as we think its got the 'juice' we want :)).

[gerbick]

The fact is... Symbian^3 at 640x360 is downright anemic. Period.

It's like buying a television now and it can only do 480p. Stupidest decision you can make right now.

[ioan]

It's like buying a television now and it can only do 480p. Stupidest decision you can make right now.

yeah, there is a big difference....

[efekt]

The fact is... Symbian^3 at 640x360 is downright anemic. Period.

It's like buying a television now and it can only do 480p. Stupidest decision you can make right now.
"The fact"? excuse me, who decided on this "fact"? The fact is that buying a cell-phone which costs more than 100 EUR is downright stupid. Why would you need a phone which can do more than send SMSs and use send/end?

"Fact is" that everyone can decide for himself what he needs or not needs from his cell-phone, and if the phone looks and feels good even if it have a 128x128 display, who cares?
Same thing goes to the N8 - why would you need a 1680x1050 screen on your phone, if 640x360 is more than enough? What can you do with a 800x480 screen which you by all means cannot do with a 640x360?

[gerbick]

Which part of the fact that I've been using 800x480 in the past seems to escape you?

Which part of that fact seems to escape you that I do not like it? Which part of the fact seems to escape you that I've stated over and over that I'm - which, for the English language less savvy denotes that I am unwilling to personally accept anything less?

The fact you're so eager to argue is my own opinion about how I don't have to accept less. Feel free to do so for yourself. I don't have to; nor will I.

And to answer your last question... what can I do at 800x480 that I cannot do at 640x360... see about 160x120 more pixels to start with...

Captain Obvious... out.

[Viipottaja]

The fact is... Symbian^3 at 640x360 is downright anemic. Period.

It's like buying a television now and it can only do 480p. Stupidest decision you can make right now.

Where is the "I"?

[gerbick]

Where is the "I"?

You missed the first post. You missed my second post. You only skipped to the third out of a series of posts where the word "I" was used quite a bit.

Selective quoting... how quaint.

Puerile point-making attempts aside; I ain't buying into any hype of a phone that's not going to be able to go to a lesser resolution than my 3 year old Nokia N810 due to OS restrictions. Nor will I fall for a 2010 phone that has less resolution than a good bit of the Android market, nor a Maemo 5 phone released in 2009 - reminder: it's 2010, almost 2011.

That's my prerogative. Disagree or act as angry as you want. I won't care. I'm unwilling to step backward to a lesser spec phone... they do call it progress for a reason.

[theflew]

The fact is... Symbian^3 at 640x360 is downright anemic. Period.

It's like buying a television now and it can only do 480p. Stupidest decision you can make right now.

Yet it has HDMI out :D 640x360 has little meaning if you don't use the resolution for anything. Think of the iPhone 4 - what does it use it's Retina display for that couldn't be done at a lower resolution.

[gerbick]

On screen is limited to 640x360 in Symbian^3.

[efekt]

Which part of the fact that I've been using 800x480 in the past seems to escape you?
Eh, maybe the part that its irrelevant to the current discussion? or maybe the part that I just don't care?

Which part of that fact seems to escape you that I do not like it? Which part of the fact seems to escape you that I've stated over and over that I'm - which, for the English language less savvy denotes that I am unwilling to personally accept anything less?
Again, the discussion is not about you nor about me - if you were claiming that you personally don't like a smartphone with a screen of less than X or Y resolution, you should've used the letter 'I' somewhere in one of your comments (as I can see now others have also noticed it).

The fact you're so eager to argue is my own opinion about how I don't have to accept less. Feel free to do so for yourself. I don't have to; nor will I.
Man, your the one who's arguing here, I'm merely responding ;)

And to answer your last question... what can I do at 800x480 that I cannot do at 640x360... see about 160x120 more pixels to start with...
And to end with?

Captain Obvious... out.
Bye...

[patlak]

All are great features... but let's be honest. 640x360 screen almost kills the pluses it has.

And that won't change until the next OS iteration. After being at 800x480, I refuse to step down.

Don't worry, you won't see a difference between E7's CBD displaying pure 360x640 compared to the actual 392x653 resolution of your Captivate's SAMOLED PenTile display. The clarity of Samsung's PenTile used in the Desire is nowhere near that of the N900.

[patlak]

The fact is... Symbian^3 at 640x360 is downright anemic. Period.

It's like buying a television now and it can only do 480p. Stupidest decision you can make right now.
Would you rather take a WVGA or backwards compatible apps from S60v5??? S^4 will only run apps developed in the Qt environment, in other words, a completely new OS. Nokia needs to make a slow transfer to Qt and establish a ready app store for it when it launches which would result in less whining..."but, S^4 hez nou appz." Get a grip, your eyes are already fooled by a PenTile display.

[patlak]

Yet it has HDMI out :D 640x360 has little meaning if you don't use the resolution for anything. Think of the iPhone 4 - what does it use it's Retina display for that couldn't be done at a lower resolution.

Waste dear CPU and GPU cycles :D

[christexaport]

All are great features... but let's be honest. 640x360 screen almost kills the pluses it has.

And that won't change until the next OS iteration. After being at 800x480, I refuse to step down.

So you'd pass on the best camera ever in a mobile, first Dolby Digital decoder on a mobile, USB OTG, HD video capture, great build quality, full Qt compatibility, HDMI, offloaded GPU graphics architecture, all for a slightly more pixel dense display? Wow.

Someone loves pixels.

[christexaport]

Would you rather take a WVGA or backwards compatible apps from S60v5??? S^4 will only run apps developed in the Qt environment, in other words, a completely new OS. Nokia needs to make a slow transfer to Qt and establish a ready app store for it when it launches which would result in less whining..."but, S^4 hez nou appz." Get a grip, your eyes are already fooled by a PenTile display.

Symbian has run Qt apps a long time unofficially. And from what I understand, Qt allows the interface to scale to multiple resolutions, not just nHD, but WVGA as well. S^4 won't be a completely new OS, just a completely new UI. I don't think you really understand the architecture of Symbian. The UI layer will be new, but Qt is already the main toolkit, and that will continue with S^4, as well as continuing to support the other included runtimes already in Symbian.

Ovi Store is ready, has been ready, and is now accepting Qt apps for approval. It has a totally revamped UI for the on device client, and it makes the Apple App Store look simple now. Its a great UI. But you must realize the Ovi Store is not THE app channel for Symbian, but just AN app channel. Developers can make more money on their own, and can sell apps from their own sites, other app stores, whether on device or online, and sites like Handango and GetJar. Ovi is just another channel, not Symbian's app repository. Only 20,000 apps are in the Ovi Store, but Symbian has FAR more than that, a common misconception media spreads by comparing Store counts. Symbian^4 will run most S^3 and ^1 apps as long as they don't use Avkon graphics bindings.

[christexaport]

Yet it has HDMI out :D 640x360 has little meaning if you don't use the resolution for anything. Think of the iPhone 4 - what does it use it's Retina display for that couldn't be done at a lower resolution.

Amen. You can't select those tiny links with a capacitive display.

[patlak]

So you'd pass on the best camera ever in a mobile, first Dolby Digital decoder on a mobile, USB OTG, HD video capture, great build quality, full Qt compatibility, HDMI, offloaded GPU graphics architecture, all for a slightly more pixel dense display? Wow.

Someone loves pixels.

All for a fake WVGA on the Captivate that he can't even notice :D

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/03/secrets-of-the-nexus-ones-screen-science-color-and-hacks.ars/

[patlak]

Symbian has run Qt apps a long time unofficially. And from what I understand, Qt allows the interface to scale to multiple resolutions, not just nHD, but WVGA as well. S^4 won't be a completely new OS, just a completely new UI. I don't think you really understand the architecture of Symbian. The UI layer will be new, but Qt is already the main toolkit, and that will continue with S^4, as well as continuing to support the other included runtimes already in Symbian.

Ovi Store is ready, has been ready, and is now accepting Qt apps for approval. It has a totally revamped UI for the on device client, and it makes the Apple App Store look simple now. Its a great UI. But you must realize the Ovi Store is not THE app channel for Symbian, but just AN app channel. Developers can make more money on their own, and can sell apps from their own sites, other app stores, whether on device or online, and sites like Handango and GetJar. Ovi is just another channel, not Symbian's app repository. Only 20,000 apps are in the Ovi Store, but Symbian has FAR more than that, a common misconception media spreads by comparing Store counts. Symbian^4 will run most S^3 and ^1 apps as long as they don't use Avkon graphics bindings.

Symbian^3 is the middle step, the connecting rod. I am aware that Qt has already started its integration, however I haven't heard or read that S^4 would be compatible with S^1 apps. I remember reading that the resolution of S^3 is still nHD solely due to backwards compatibility.
I didn't mention that S^4 is a new OS, I wanted to let him know that if there was no middle steps, it would be new due to my thought of lack of bc.

[NvyUs]

E90 running s60v3.1 had a 800 x 352 screen.

[gerbick]

So you'd pass on the best camera ever in a mobile, first Dolby Digital decoder on a mobile, USB OTG, HD video capture, great build quality, full Qt compatibility, HDMI, offloaded GPU graphics architecture, all for a slightly more pixel dense display? Wow.

Someone loves pixels.

You betcha. I have a DSLR... I do graphics for a living. I rarely use my camera on my cellphone. So heck yeah. I'd pass on the best camera attached to a Symbian^3 phone.

If it were Symbian^4, then ask me.

And that's my damn opinion... you have yours.

[gerbick]

All for a fake WVGA on the Captivate that he can't even notice

Mighty funny considering I also have a N900 which is showing the bloom due to the blue underside of the lens cover.

Yay engineering!

Regardless, remora fish... I don't use the cam on the Captivate either. Never used the one on the iPhone either. They're all crappy to me.

But screen pixels... I do use. N810 spoiled me. I ain't going under 800x480. You may though. Feel free :)

[patlak]

Mighty funny considering I also have a N900 which is showing the bloom due to the blue underside of the lens cover.

Yay engineering!

Regardless, remora fish... I don't use the cam on the Captivate either. Never used the one on the iPhone either. They're all crappy to me.

But screen pixels... I do use. N810 spoiled me. I ain't going under 800x480. You may though. Feel free :)

WTF???!!!??? In what context did I mention anything involving the cameras? I admire your comprehension skill on that one....

EDIT: BTW, check my link couple posts up.

[gerbick]

Meh, you got quoted whilst answering a "best camera" question from a different user earlier on my laptop and on my desktop.

The whole AMOLED/WVGA is applicable not only to my Captivate but you can also say the same about my N810 or N900.

WVGA is mainly any display that is 480 pixels high or so (VGA). So... what was your point? It's still a step higher than the N8.

[patlak]

Meh, you got quoted whilst answering a "best camera" question from a different user earlier on my laptop and on my desktop.

The whole AMOLED/WVGA is applicable not only to my Captivate but you can also say the same about my N810 or N900.

WVGA is mainly any display that is 480 pixels high or so (VGA). So... what was your point? It's still a step higher than the N8.

Read the article and then reply, it's about your precious Captivate WVGA display. And please answer me for what you use the additional screen pixels? I don't think that they extend your penis.

[gerbick]

Read the article and then reply, it's about your precious Captivate WVGA display. And please answer me for what you use the additional screen pixels? I don't think that they extend your penis.

Point. Do you have one? I knew about that Nexus One article when it was published 6 months ago.

Now. Let's see. You're trying to prove a point about the Samsung Captivate. I'll give you credit. You're trying. But here's the deal.

It's still more than 640x260 at 653x392. So I'm asking again... what is your point exactly?. Come back with the 13 pixels x 132 pixels that's missing in the N8 and then let's talk.

Until then, I don't see your point other than it's less on one of my phones... you missed out on the N810 and N900.

And to quote myself:

...it didn't measure up to my N810.

That's my measuring stick. Not the Captivate; despite it having a (claimed) 800x480 resolution, it's still more than the upcoming N8. And thus... my next quote still stands:

The screen resolution is lacking too much for my likes. I have a limit, I am not stepping below it ever again. I was speaking then and now of myself.

N9 comes out, 800x480, guess where I'll be. I'll give you 9 guesses.

I sacrificed with the iPhone (blame my office) and right now, I'm still ahead with the Captivate... N9 comes... then let's chat.

Until then, your numbers are falling short still.

[NvyUs]

N8 is 640 x 360 not 260

[gerbick]

Ah holy hell... I lost 100 pixels somewhere. Thanks NyvUs.

Still at 640x360 != 653x392 (actual) or 800x480.

[NvyUs]

although I'm buying a N8 i will still use N900 as my main device, N8 will be a secondry device handy for when I'm going out on trips and partying for taking good videos and pictures, i don't think i could go below 800 x 480 on my main device either i've not used a device with that low res for ages, if it was higher then it would be perfect device for many and will be perfect for some any way.
oh and symbian browser sucks i wish they would update it already

[patlak]

Point. Do you have one? I knew about that Nexus One article when it was published 6 months ago.

Now. Let's see. You're trying to prove a point about the Samsung Captivate. I'll give you credit. You're trying. But here's the deal.

It's still more than 640x260 at 653x392. So I'm asking again... what is your point exactly?. Come back with the 13 pixels x 132 pixels that's missing in the N8 and then let's talk.

Until then, I don't see your point other than it's less on one of my phones... you missed out on the N810 and N900.

And to quote myself:



That's my measuring stick. Not the Captivate; despite it having a (claimed) 800x480 resolution, it's still more than the upcoming N8. And thus... my next quote still stands:



N9 comes out, 800x480, guess where I'll be. I'll give you 9 guesses.

I sacrificed with the iPhone (blame my office) and right now, I'm still ahead with the Captivate... N9 comes... then let's chat.

Until then, your numbers are falling short still.

I have both a Desire and a N900, so don't worry I'm not missing out. My mention of your Captivate is due to your lowest standard of a WVGA screen since you are already fooled by its resolution and still not annoyed. But since you know the N8's exact resolution, that WVGA on its spec sheet is not there to comfort you. Actually you don't even know the resolution, it's 360x640 not 260. So there is lack of 32x13 pixels. Don't even tell me your N810 is your everyday main device, I highly doubt it. If you were a pure resolution whore, I doubt you would buy a Captivate instead of a Droid X or Iphone 4 which offer more pixels that you use. Droid X is FWVGA, so 54 pixels extra in the vertical compared to N810 or N900 that are actually displayed. So what's my point? That resolution viewed doesn't bother you, but the spec sheet for bragging rights.

[gerbick]

In your rush to "make a point", your whole discussion is flawed. Let's start over with some history that you're obviously lacking.

I had a N810. Loved it. When the N900 was announced, it supported the resolution, but not my carrier of choice. My company gave me the iPhone, which I had endured with. It did phone things... I still used my N810 for web things. Carried both.

iPhone 3GS to Captivate is a move up. But I'd rather be at where my N810 is at 800x480, true WVGA. I'm talking about my next phone... not the Captivate, not your other deflections. So from N810, it's been all about trying to get back to what I consider a limit... 800x480.

I endured an iPhone for 3 years. I can endure a Captivate for 1 more year.

Now, with your puerile egocentricity pushed aside - it's always been me that's being egocentric and only talking about my opinion about what I'd accept/not accept - I'm sticking with my own words from before that you've unwisely ignored only to prove some minor point.

Fooled? Hardly. But guess what? It's still more than your precious N8 and I'm following my own words... I ain't going down, I'm looking to go up.

[cpitchford]

I've said it before, but

The Nokia 7710 in 2004 was the first widely available touch screen phone from Nokia.. It had a 640x320 display..

Increasing the number of pixels by 12.5% to 640x360 in 6 years is lame...

Increasing the screen size from 3.5" (2004 - 7710) to 4" on the E7 just makes the low resolution E7 display seem blocky..

3.5" 7710 640x320 in 2004.. amazing
3.5" N8 640x360.. a little bit yawn, blocky, spectrum-resolutiony..

I guess its about catering for the lowest supported spec for the platform.. Maemo has a very high minimum, whereas Symbian^3 still clings to the idea it'll run on a $20 handset, something that really helped Symbian gain market share.. but now prevents it from scaling into the top end effectively..



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[allnameswereout]

[...]

but I dont hold my breath anymore...

[...]

just silence and I begin to think meego is halfdead project already.

[...]

But if only nokia will use S^4/Meego it I begin too think it really is dead end...

[...]

I really hope I am wrong but it need to happening something big now from nokia.

[...]

time to release a meego killercomputerphone NOW else the project wiil die.These 5 sentences are your core message. I will translate it:

I am growing impatient and want a MeeGo-based device NOW. Oh, and don't forget all the good hardware aspects it should include.I feel your pain. Many, many people here have the same feeling. Some have wandered off to competitors. Some don't want a smartphone and have switched to a marketing segment which caters them. Some have temporarily switched (me). Some will never buy a Nokia again due to previous experiences or future prognoses. They all have something in common: nobody of them know as good as Nokia as what next MeeGo-based Nokia device is going to be like. We're simply speculating here. This is dangerous and daunting task though requiring a lot of research and comparisons. Don't judge too quick.

[buchanmilne]

You betcha. I have a DSLR... I do graphics for a living. I rarely use my camera on my cellphone. So heck yeah. I'd pass on the best camera attached to a Symbian^3 phone.
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So, the ability to download photos from your DSLR, and upload to flickr or similar, with only your phone, would be of no interest (and if you can do that, controlling operation of your DSLR for time-lapse photos etc. should also be possible)? And, if your DSLR (like mine) supports HD video (with better lenses than phones with this capability), you would have no interest in being able to play that video back on HDTVs, at HD res, from your phone (in case you are visiting friends without your DSLR or laptop)?

Both of these features would be of interest to me, but hopefully host mode on N900 will get us the first, and for me, the 2nd isn't enough to prevent me from waiting for a Maemo- or Meego-based device with HDMI out, but it would still be of interest.

[riahc3]

Wait till November...

[shockgiga]

engadget says intel is a no go for meego devices not until feb of next year. i think thats just a press release to cause confusion coz the specs of n9 does not include an intel processor.

one might think though that n9 might be delayed coz they are not talking abt a specific handset.

[clovis86]

interesting point of view !

[maxximuscool]

I'm guessing Nokia is struggling to get N9 to the production line and after saw the competitions hardware specs, Nokia hold the N9 back and revise one the current specs and making some adjustment before conclude the final prototype. On the other hand Nokia may be working really hard trying to get the bugs out of Maemo6 OS meeGo to run on their current leaked prototype.

Nokia isn't saying because saying things now will make the competitors attacking them directly with hardware and OSs. Android is currently the strongest competition and iOS is the front of the line of competition. So I'm guessing we would be lucky if Nokia decides to put A9 in the N9 at the production spec. But I think Nokia won't, we all know Nokia too well. Take a look at N95, N96, N85, N82, most N-series got almost identicle hardware specs. So I'm guess the nature of Nokia will adopt A8 processor in N9. Always underpower and always the most expensive. The worst service and the most secretive (releases, updates and warranty).

But Nokia phone got something that attracts most of us. Camera!!

[jsa]

I'm guessing Nokia is struggling to get N9 to the production line and after saw the competitions hardware specs, Nokia hold the N9 back and revise one the current specs and making some adjustment before conclude the final prototype.

Really, companies don't go around changing hardware specs just a couple of months before the the device is going into production. And even more so for the friggin' SOC it runs on.

On the other hand Nokia may be working really hard trying to get the bugs out of Maemo6 OS meeGo to run on their current leaked prototype.

Of course they are.

Nokia isn't saying because saying things now will make the competitors attacking them directly with hardware and OSs. Android is currently the strongest competition and iOS is the front of the line of competition. So I'm guessing we would be lucky if Nokia decides to put A9 in the N9 at the production spec.

They said over a year ago that the Harmattan device would run on OMAP3.

[maxximuscool]

Really, companies don't go around changing hardware specs just a couple of months before the the device is going into production. And even more so for the friggin' SOC it runs on.


How would you know that they wouldn't? Anything is possible as long there isn't any solid printed specsheet. Did you ever heard that prototype can change from the day that it was made to the day of production? That's why it is called Prototype! things can be changing until finalised and announced.



They said over a year ago that the Harmattan device would run on OMAP3.

Over a year ago!!!!!!! You've said it yourself. 1year ago f Nokia said N9 will be ARM11 would you still saying that N9 still running ARM11 now?
Hardware spec do change from the time it is planned, I personally think that you can't just take the rumour one year ago too seriously. After all Nokia said N9 will be Maemo6 now Maemo6 is becoming MeeGo. It didn't stay as Maemo6, even the OS name can be changed and they said alot of thing about N900 and promises but in the end they dropped the balls.

My point is relying on last year rumour and words isn't the most accurate information. Unless you are working as the N9 engineer then you can't be too certain. My points are just pure speculation, I don't know myself. I did not say I knew about the spec or have an insider or anything.

All we can do is just wait and hope that it is no OMAP3.

if N9 is running OMAP35 then I'm out from the buyer list. OMAP36 also i'm out. OMAP4 then I'll ave something to hype about.

[tissot]

Yes Nokia will delay N9 for 5 months and change the hardware.... sure. Specs have been set to the stone long long time ago. Who knows there might have been couple of different proto units with slightly different hw, but even then the final hw have surely been decided already.

[jsa]

How would you know that they wouldn't? Anything is possible as long there isn't any solid printed specsheet. Did you ever heard that prototype can change from the day that it was made to the day of production? That's why it is called Prototype! things can be changing until finalised and announced.

Think about it for second. What kind of timescales do you think are involved when you are sourcing millions of pieces of different components from numerous manufacturers, making the hardware design(not just how it looks on the outside), and stabbing the software to make the different pieces of hardware work together as they're supposed to and putting all that together and delivering it to dealers. Enough complexity even without radical last minute hardware changes.

Over a year ago!!!!!!! You've said it yourself. 1year ago f Nokia said N9 will be ARM11 would you still saying that N9 still running ARM11 now?

Well I would've wondered why the heck they'd downgrade from the N900.

Hardware spec do change from the time it is planned, I personally think that you can't just take the rumour one year ago too seriously.

The thing is, it isn't a rumour if it comes from the person responsible for planning the products.

After all Nokia said N9 will be Maemo6 now Maemo6 is becoming MeeGo. It didn't stay as Maemo6, even the OS name can be changed and they said alot of thing about N900 and promises but in the end they dropped the balls.

Yes, it did stay as Maemo 6! The software on the N9 is Maemo 6 renamed as something else for the exact reason that they wouldn't have had time to move to MeeGo core in time to deliver the product when planned!

[buchanmilne]

Well, is Intel speaking about Intel-based devices (apparently Meego hasn't yet got a working Modem driver for the Intel Moorestown-based Aava handset, where it does for N900), or all devices?

Since there is no direct quote provided for this statement, it is difficult to tell.

Also, does it mean, no handset using Meego UX (even on top of Maemo platform, e.g. Harmattan), or no handset using Meego base?

[Dave999]

N9 must be on time and with time I mean this year as they said.

If it is...

It's fine and I'm happy :)

Otherwise...

They(Nokia) can through this phone out of the window, kick a few from the managment team and focus on the next, first real meego device. Luck for nokia they dont comment. The reason for this is simple. They have no clue of what they are doing! :mad: :(

[pelago]

Also, does it mean, no handset using Meego UX (even on top of Maemo platform, e.g. Harmattan), or no handset using Meego base?
I don't think Harmattan is using the MeeGo(.com) UX. I don't think Harmattan's release date will have anything to do with this announcement from Intel.

[Dave999]

Hope that is true. It's a shame that nokia not comment on things like this. I mean what will they lose to release some short press release saying this will not affect the n9. They don't have to give dates or plans away.
Can Quim comment on this issue?

[sjgadsby]

Can Quim comment on this issue?

Quim's only comment would be that he can't say anything. His title is Open Source Advocate. Decisions on what to announce when in regards to product releases aren't part of his job. Neither is making any such announcements once they've been approved and prepared.

[Dave999]

true, but it seams that Intel and most other companies have people telling the world a few things every now and then, some intressting and some not, but at least some information is presented.

[sjgadsby]

true, but it seams that Intel and most other companies have people telling the world a few things every now and then, some intressting and some not, but at least some information is presented.

There's a bit of contrast in who Intel and Nokia think of as customers--computer manufacturers vs. end users--that accounts for some of the differences in the way the two companies share future plans. Beyond that, there's been some major shake ups in Nokia management recently, as you know. This may affect the approval process for public statements.

[ossipena]

Yet it has HDMI out :D 640x360 has little meaning if you don't use the resolution for anything. Think of the iPhone 4 - what does it use it's Retina display for that couldn't be done at a lower resolution.

they could resize the on-screen keyboard to quarter the size it was in 3Gs? ;)

[NvyUs]

Hope that is true. It's a shame that nokia not comment on things like this. I mean what will they lose to release some short press release saying this will not affect the n9. They don't have to give dates or plans away.
Can Quim comment on this issue?

why would they release a press release about such things when officially N9 is still a myth and dont exist.
i think what Intel really mean is there will be no x86 devices until 2011 b/c like i mentioned before they cant stop anyone releasing a ARM MeeGo device in 2010. they dont even have to deal with Intel to do it.

[NvyUs]

nokia says meego announcement still coming 2010
http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/nokia-says-meego-announcement-still-set-for-end-of-2010

[Dave999]

better than nothing ;)

[IINexusII]

im thinking ill just get a N8 now, and then get the N9 with my upgrade which is around July.

ill still keep my n900 in offline mode for all the awesomeness it is, but i need something better for everyday use (calls/messaging). the resolutions fine on the N8, dont know why people are moaning. the iphone 3gs has a 480x320 and look how popular that is

[bsving]

nokia says meego announcement still coming 2010
http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/nokia-says-meego-announcement-still-set-for-end-of-2010

Considering the N9 will run Maemo6 with a MeeGo-friendly UX, this doesn't have to mean anything regarding the N9.

I'm bored of these rumours and speculations and nonsense, bring on the E7.

[tissot]

Considering the N9 will run Maemo6 with a MeeGo-friendly UX, this doesn't have to mean anything regarding the N9.

I'm bored of these rumours and speculations and nonsense, bring on the E7.

Well it most probably does because Nokia calls the Harmattan-MeeGo/Harmattan/Maemo 6 as MeeGo in general media and in most dev discussion and a likes MeeGo-Harmattan. All what we have seen and what Intel have said it's pretty clear that pure MeeGo handheld UX device wont be seen this year.

[NvyUs]

they made a promise to shareholders to deliver a device milestone by the end of 2010 regarding harmattan/meego they are still on course to deliver it.
btw harmattan-meego, maemo 6 is now MeeGo 1.0 N on forum nokia slides.
so when nokia are talking about MeeGo device for 2010 its safe to say its that version and its obvious they are talking about device by the response they gave when they guy said there was no big trade shows left to announce anything at.
they are not talking about MeeGo 1.1+ b/c thats already announced and has a dates for release.

[gerbick]

So, the ability to download photos from your DSLR, and upload to flickr or similar, with only your phone, would be of no interest (and if you can do that, controlling operation of your DSLR for time-lapse photos etc. should also be possible)? And, if your DSLR (like mine) supports HD video (with better lenses than phones with this capability), you would have no interest in being able to play that video back on HDTVs, at HD res, from your phone (in case you are visiting friends without your DSLR or laptop)?

Eye-Fi (http://www.eye.fi/) uploads without the need of a computer or phone to my Flickr account.

I can connect my DSLR directly to my TV via HDMI if I so choose. Not component like my N900.

My interest in a DSLR spec camera that will invariably compress or compact my images on my cellphone is next to non-existent. I just don't use my phone like that (yet).

[davedickson]

Didn't want to start a new thread for this:

but WHEN is the "MeeGo N Series" coming out? Be that N9 or whatever they decide to call it. My contract is up as of this month - 18 months of bliss with my N900 (mostly) - and I want to renew, so is there ANY news at all?

I would be more than happy to keep using the N900, but considering I can renew, I would like to upgrade to higher spec (camera/memory/cpu etc) if that is the case?

If the N9 has the same or slightly better tech, which I doubt - its probably going to be really nice :cool: I would stay with N900 anyway, but I would just like to see what it has and when it is released before making any other decisions, like, dare i say it, iphone??

Ok, maybe not iphone :D but there are some other nice devices out there like N8/E7 which would be a bit more "stable" lol and are starting to get equal tech/ or better options like upgraded camera etc - only issue is with their OS....

Any news at all would be good....thanks

[pelago]

Didn't want to start a new thread for this:

but WHEN is the "MeeGo N Series" coming out? Be that N9 or whatever they decide to call it. My contract is up as of this month - 18 months of bliss with my N900 (mostly) - and I want to renew, so is there ANY news at all?

No news, nobody knows.

[davedickson]

No news, nobody knows.

N8 it is then, cheers :)