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[Sadavyk]

317 What Would You Do With This?

[mutex]

If it's running a "real" OS like linux and no mickey mouse sh*t like symbian, I might just buy it.

[Karel Jansens]

If it's running a "real" OS like linux and no mickey mouse sh*t like symbian, I might just buy it.

Actually, Symbian is a pretty mature, very memory-friendly and extremely stable OS. In fact, the only thing it's got going against it, is that it ain't OSS.

[Sadavyk]

thanks KAREL JANSENS I think symbian is a great program thats main reason i Love Nokia

[Karel Jansens]

thanks KAREL JANSENS I think symbian is a great program thats main reason i Love Nokia

Actually, and this may disappoint you, I'm much more a fan of Symbian-UIQ (which Nokia shuns) than of Symbian-S60. I did, sort of, like the Series 80 from afar -- mainly because it reminded me of my Psion Series 3a, which I still rank among the best PDAs ever made.

Well, behind the Newton MessagePad 2100.

Obviously... :cool:

[Sadavyk]

Your right, but I would have to still say I pick Nokia only because my first PDA and I hope its safe to say, was n9500. I know thats why i'm still a newbie :)

[Karel Jansens]

Your right, but I would have to still say I pick Nokia only because my first PDA and I hope its safe to say, was n9500. I know thats why i'm still a newbie :)

The 9500 Communicator is an icon, IMHO one of the greatest portable computers (it's almost blaphemy to call it "just" a PDA) ever. The E90 really is a step back in the software department (S60 cannot accomplish all the tasks Series 80 could).

And anyone who's used a 9500 really shouldn't call themselves newbies.

[Milhouse]

It would appear that Ari Jaaksi thinks (http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2007/05/mobile-is-dead.html) home grown "mobile" operating systems (eg. Symbian, Win Mob etc.) are a dying breed.

[Sadavyk]

Now thats good to hear and thats why Wednesday 25 july I will be as happy as a bird :)
The legend evolves into an all-inclusive Nokia Eseries business device
Features:
Operating System Symbian OS Version 9.2
Network GSM quad-band 850/900/1800/1900MHz
Memory 128MB free for user and applications
Wireless Technologies Bluetooth/WLAN(IEEE 802.11g)
Display Dual 16 million colour displays
Expansion Slot MicroSD
Dimensions 132mm x 57mm x 20mm
Camera 3.2MP with Flash and Autofocus

The Nokia E90 Communicator sets the standard for an uncompromised “mobile office” experience. The latest technologies at the core of the device bring business necessities and personal amenities to the hands of people independent of time and place.
Fast and inexpensive connections over WLAN and HSDPA-enhanced 3G accelerate the mobile use of data- and transmission-rich applications. The interface to business and leisure applications and the Internet, the stunning Nokia S60 browser, with 16 million colors, is capable of displaying the full width of a web page at once.

The Nokia E90 Communicator is now based on the S60 platform, making a wealth of additional mobile applications available for its users. The Nokia E90 Communicator also has an integrated GPS and Nokia Maps application to provide help in finding routes and locating services. For increased personal convenience, the Nokia E90 Communicator is equipped with an FM radio, a music player, a video player and two cameras -- a 3.2MP auto focus camera with flash and a second camera for videoconferencing.

In the box:
- Nokia E90 Communicator
- Nokia Battery BP-4L (1500 mAh)
- Wired stereo headset (HS-47)
- Travel Charger (AC-4)
- Connectivity cable (DKE-2)
- Memory card (microSD 512MB) - may vary at country level
- Quick Start guide
- User manual
- DVD ROM including the Nokia PC suite application

[Karel Jansens]

It would appear that Ari Jaaksi thinks (http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2007/05/mobile-is-dead.html) home grown "mobile" operating systems (eg. Symbian, Win Mob etc.) are a dying breed.

Yes. He would, wouldn't he?

[Sadavyk]

http://http://i.expansys.com/i/b/b146170.jpg my new love

[Karel Jansens]

I'll be happy on July 25th as well, but for a totally unrelated reason.

[Milhouse]

Obviously Ari is somewhat biased, but it's one thing to have that opinion within the closed walls of Nokia and quite another to share it with the world! I bet he gets on famously with the Symbian developers! :)

[Sadavyk]

Siemens is demonstrating a Linux-based "concept device" that doubles as a mobile phone and digital TV receiver, at the enormous CeBIT trade show this week in Germany. The device supports the emerging DVB-H standard, and can record and time-shift digital content, as well as make calls.

(Click for larger view of Siemens DVB-H concept device)

The DVB-H (digital video broadcast, handhelds) standard is derived from the terrestrial DVB-T and the satellite DVB-S standards. DVB-H specifies that content be broadcast in bursts, enabling handheld receivers to power down at intervals to conserve battery life.

As a digital service, DVB-H should offer improved picture and audio quality, and enable service providers to carry a large portfolio of stations. According to DVB.org, the technology is currently being trialed in Germany (Berlin), Finland (Helsinki) and the USA (Pittsburgh), with additional trials planned for Australia, France, and the UK. The UK trial will give 500 people access to a 16-channel DVB-H service featuring a range of programming, including music, news, sports, drama, and cartoons, the organization says.

The Siemens DVB-H concept device features a large VGA-resolution (640 x 480) color touchscreen display, stereo sound with built-in speakers, and a broadcast DVB-H receiver. The DVB-H receiver is reportedly based on a DibCom's DIB7000-H chipset.

InfoSync World reports that at CeBIT, Siemens transcoded a live DVB-S (satellite) broadcast into a DVB-H signal with a five-second delay. The concept device ably received and rendered the DVB-H signal -- which used H.264 compression -- into partial or full-frame motion video, according to InfoSync World.

The concept device also included a software emulator of a Siemens cameraphone (screenshot), according to InfoSync World, which enabled it to provide telephony features. Other planned features include PVR functions, and MP3, video, and other multimedia functions.


The InfoSync report is available here, while a brief PC Magazine story is here. The Siemens website offers a video, available here (mpg file), which shows the DVB-H concept device being shown to German Chancellor Gerhard Schr�der (photo at right) in Siemens's impressive 7,000-square-meter booth.

Other phone makers, including market leader Nokia, are widely reported to be working on DVB-H product or products. Market Research firm ABI reported last December that Texas Instruments is also working on a chip for TV-enabled mobile phones.

[Karel Jansens]

Obviously Ari is somewhat biased, but it's one thing to have that opinion within the closed walls of Nokia and quite another to share it with the world! I bet he gets on famously with the Symbian developers! :)

Given that Symbian covers over 70% of the mobile OS market and is still going up (Q1 2007 over 35% more units sold than Q1 2006), I suppose they'll be really really scared about Jaaksi's remark. I bet they're already running for the hills.

[maxilogan]

I'll be happy on July 25th as well, but for a totally unrelated reason.

Me too, since it is my birthday :)

[Milhouse]

Given that Symbian covers over 70% of the mobile OS market and is still going up (Q1 2007 over 35% more units sold than Q1 2006), I suppose they'll be really really scared about Jaaksi's remark. I bet they're already running for the hills.

Yeah, Microsoft probably said the same thing about Linux 10-15 years ago. :) At some point in the future Linux on Mobile devices will gain sufficient momentum for Nokia to have to decide whether it makes sense to continue developing and supporting a proprietary operating system. As devices become more powerful the argument for Symbian becomes less compelling.

[Karel Jansens]

Yeah, Microsoft probably said the same thing about Linux 10-15 years ago. :) At some point in the future Linux on Mobile devices will gain sufficient momentum for Nokia to have to decide whether it makes sense to continue developing and supporting a proprietary operating system. As devices become more powerful the argument for Symbian becomes less compelling.

It's just that, compared to Symbian, Linux mobile just looks like utter c-r-a-p at the moment. There is an awful lot of work still to be done and frankly, not a lot of the work that is being done, looks like it's done the right way.

Basically, Linux mobile efforts are done by geeks who are producing an OS for mobile geeks. There just ain't that many mobile geeks around to make it ever get to 10%, let alone 70% of the mobile market share.

[Texrat]

It was funny to listen to Gates when the US Department of Justice monopoly case was going on. He'd alternate between "Sure we have competition! Look at Linx!" to "No, Linux is no threat to us. We don't see it as a player."

[frethop]

Nokia has quite a split personality right now: such heavy investment in Symbian AND in open source operating systems. It's hard to believe that they would dump Symbian OS for Linux right now, or for the foreseeable future. Their happiness -- read that as "profit from" -- Linux would have to increase dramatically for them to even consider switching.

I am, frankly, surprised by their continued creation of communicators. The 9210 was a big step for them; the 9300 and 9500 models were great computers (I agree with Karel: I can hardly call mine a PDA). But I don't think they had an overwhelming reception. Now that Nokia is investing in the Maemo device form factor, why still design computers with the E90 form factor that run on Symbian OS? You'd think the markets would be more disjoint.

Sorry if this is off-topic. I think it has to do with Nokia's future paths. I hope they stay with the split personality. Symbian OS is a great OS for mobile phones; Linux is a great OS for tablet-type devices.

-F

[Sadavyk]

When i get my e90 will it replace my n800? What is one to do?

[Milhouse]

It's just that, compared to Symbian, Linux mobile just looks like utter c-r-a-p at the moment. There is an awful lot of work still to be done and frankly, not a lot of the work that is being done, looks like it's done the right way.

Basically, Linux mobile efforts are done by geeks who are producing an OS for mobile geeks. There just ain't that many mobile geeks around to make it ever get to 10%, let alone 70% of the mobile market share.

Two words: Apple iPhone.

Basically, it's a fancy looking GUI on top of Linux.

[frethop]

Two words: Apple iPhone.

Basically, it's a fancy looking GUI on top of Linux.

Welllll... More like a mutated version of Mac OS, which is a mutated version of FreeBSD, which is a version of Unix...... And you can bet we won't be seeing the open source code to the iPhone's OS.

In a sense, its concept is the same as Symbian OS: streamlined Unix-like OS stripped for a mobile phone. And proprietary...

-F

[Milhouse]

Well OK, strictly speaking BSD is a Unix variant rather than Linux but the point is this: stick a fancy GUI on top of *nix and who gives a rats arse about Symbian? :)

Symbian is a dedicated OS for mobile devices, while *nix scales from mobile device to super computers and I think that's the point - it's totally pervasive and the only thing necessary to make it a success on mobile devices is a nice GUI (ie. Hildon, OSX etc.)

[frethop]

Well OK, strictly speaking BSD is a Unix variant rather than Linux but the point is this: stick a fancy GUI on top of *nix and who gives a rats arse about Symbian? :)

Symbian is a dedicated OS for mobile devices, while *nix scales from mobile device to super computers and I think that's the point - it's totally pervasive and the only thing necessary to make it a success on mobile devices is a nice GUI (ie. Hildon, OSX etc.)

I agree with you about the scalability of Linux/*nix. I didn't mean to split hairs over the origins of the iPhone OS.

My point was about the limits of Unix scalability. I find it interesting that the iPhone's OS is purported to be quite stripped down from actual MacOS. (Maybe that's part of the reason no 3rd party apps are allowed...) It's also very interesting that Symbian OS borrows many concepts from Unix, but adapts them. Perhaps Unix can't fit on a mobile phone platform. Perhaps that's why the iPhone OS is proprietary.

In fact, I remain almost amazed at how much of desktop Linux is stuffed into the Maemo platform. There's quite a bit of brilliance in there.

-F

[Karel Jansens]

Two words: Apple iPhone.

Basically, it's a fancy looking GUI on top of Linux.

Well... no. the iPhone is an Uebergeek's (Steve Jobs, the spawn of Satan) idea of what a smartphone should look like. Mind you, it's a most peculiar geek, who still doesn't want to admit that once claiming that every computer should have a keyboard, was a dumbass remark.

(obligatory spit on Jobs for killing off the Newton!)

[Sadavyk]

The M8 is now said to measure in at a scant 57x105x11.5-mm and packs both a GSM and Chinese TD-SCDMA 3G radio, a 3.3-inch 720x480 pixel display, Bluetooth, a 3 megapixel camera, and an ARM11 CPU capable of recording video at 30fps at the device's full 720 x 480 resolution
The spec's above are for frethop

[Sadavyk]

karel Jansens
What do you think about the Meizu (M8)
Also known as the i-phone father