Nokia 770 bluetooth tethering with Cingular phones help [Archive] - maemo.org

Milhouse

07-04-2007, 08:07 PM

If these are Windows Mobile 5 AKU3 phones, Microsoft and the carriers removed Bluetooth DUN leaving only Bluetooth PAN support (the latter isn't natively supported by the 770/N800). Have a look at these threads which discuss possible workarounds:

http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6216
http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6794

spock1232

07-05-2007, 06:59 PM

Those two threads are very complicated for me. If anyone has a 8125 or 8525 and could go over the steps on how they got it to connect I would be very greatful.

Mark S

07-05-2007, 09:41 PM

I think (but am not sure) that your device will work with the 770 if you buy the pdanet software. I use it with a Motorola Q and an n800. It works great and is VERY easy to setup and use. Trust me - if I can do it then you can for sure. Once you install the pdanet software on the winmo device, there are a few settings on the 770 that you need to add for the password, etc. that you can find for Cingular if you search this forum or google for it.

I think there is a free trial of pdanet, but I am not 100% on that. My insinct is that it will work for you and that it is probably the simplest way to get the phone and device to work together. Good luck!

http://www.junefabrics.com/pdanet/index.php

Ninja

07-06-2007, 12:00 AM

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1351247#post1351247
This trick worked for me, but I am running WM6 on my 8525.

Ninja

dcarter

07-06-2007, 12:40 AM

wow- cool find Ninja!

What WM6 rom are you running right now?

Thanks,

dcarter

Ninja

07-06-2007, 01:20 AM

Black Dymond.

Ninja

spock1232

07-06-2007, 01:26 AM

Thanks for the info guys. I will try to upgrade my 8525 and go with ninjas option.

tonydt1g3r

07-07-2007, 03:34 AM

I tried installing that modem link cab with the wm5 software it didnt work for me. If any of you get it working please post a message on how you did it.

Ninja

07-07-2007, 12:30 PM

I tried installing that modem link cab with the wm5 software it didnt work for me. If any of you get it working please post a message on how you did it.

Did you delete your partnership after the install and reset? Also, with the N800 I had to re-pair the devices in the BT app and then open the phone app and manually set it to my 8525. WM phones tend to show up as "PDA" and not "Phone" to other devices

tonydt1g3r

07-08-2007, 04:56 PM

Ninja

07-08-2007, 09:04 PM

Not sure about this on N770 as I have a N800, but here goes. After the DUN profile is added to the 8525 delete the partnership on the IT and the phone, reboot the phone. Now re-pair. On the N800 we have an applet to manually set the phone (in the Control Panel). Designate the phone manually. Now create the Cingular connection profile (Packet Data, Phone Number: *99#, AP: wap.cingular, ID: WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM, PW: CINGULAR1; case sensitive, the rest defaults).

Make sure BT is on and select the new Cingular connection. You should be good to go. The modem link software is not actually needed for BT connections, it is really the .dll's and DUN reg entries that we are using, and they are active as long as the phone is on and BT is active.

Ninja

dcarter

07-08-2007, 10:04 PM

I installed WM6 today black version. For some reason I cant get it to work. I dont see the modem link program, however I was able to pair up the 8525. On the nokia for phone type it says computer and celluar type it says none, however it does show the dial up networking available

yeah.....I got an 8525 Cingular and put WM6 on it too....
WM6 doesn't have Dialup Networking (DUN), it only has PAN.
N800 and 770 doesn't have PAN, so you have to install the DUN .cab that restores that functionality to WM6. (Microsoft had it in WM5 but deleted it to many tomtom owners' dismay.....)
hence this hack:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1351247#post1351247

Download and install the cab and all should be well. It worked for me!

dcarter

Ninja

07-08-2007, 10:13 PM

He did that...now we're trying to get it to work...

Ninja

tonydt1g3r

07-08-2007, 10:50 PM

I've done alot of pairing and re-paring all day. and seen alot of weird stuff.

My black majik install went smoothly without a hitch. I been trying to pair the phone up with the 770 for a while now. I think the programs are the same in the 770 and the 800, there is a bluetooth phone pairing programing in the control panal. I pair up the phone and the tablet then go to select connection where I choose the ATT connection setup that was automatically created through the new connection wizard. It always gives me a message back saying "Internet connection failed try again?" If I have my Bluetooth pan on I can see that it tries to connect then it says "Network failure try again".

Some strange things I have seen today are my phone being names HTC TyTn (this is normal) and one time it was found as my mac address.

Another thing is for some reason the pairing on my phone wouldnt pair with the tablet anymore I had to reset the memory. This happened a few times.

Thanks for all the help ninja :D

Ninja

07-08-2007, 11:30 PM

What are the settings in your connection on the 770? Do they match those in my previous post?

Also, I found that pairing with the phone app wouldn't work properly. I paired with the BT app and then manually selected the paired phone in the phone app.

Ninja

Moshpitius

07-09-2007, 12:09 AM

Ninja, I just wanted to thank you for the instructions. It's working great with my 8525 + N770.

dcarter

07-09-2007, 12:10 AM

He did that...now we're trying to get it to work...

Ninja

oops redundant....

Of note, Ninja used Black Dymond rom and had success.

I used vp3G WM6 rom and had immediate success installing the DUN, pairing my N800 and N770, and achieving data transfer (internet).

I have not tried Black Majic WM6 and cannot confirm or deny whether it is possible to achieve DUN success with N800 or N770.

Just saying, since the cooked WM6 rom installation is easy to achieve for you, perhaps you'd might try one of the roms we had success with, rather than laboring so on this one....

;)

dcarter

Moshpitius

07-09-2007, 12:21 AM

oops redundant....

Of note, Ninja used Black Dymond rom and had success.

I used vp3G WM6 rom and had immediate success installing the DUN, pairing my N800 and N770, and achieving data transfer (internet).

I have not tried Black Majic WM6 and cannot confirm or deny whether it is possible to achieve DUN success with N800 or N770.

Just saying, since the cooked WM6 rom installation is easy to achieve for you, perhaps you'd might try one of the roms we had success with, rather than laboring so on this one....

;)

dcarter

Please forgive me for going off-topic, but how do you like the vp3G ROM? I'm thinking that will be my replacement for a month-old LVSW.

Ninja

07-09-2007, 12:25 AM

Ninja, I just wanted to
thank you for the instructions. It's working great with
my 8525 + N770.

You're welcome. Glad I could help. BTW, what rom are you running? Knowing that might give Tony some more options.
Ninja

Moshpitius

07-09-2007, 12:32 AM

You're welcome. Glad I could help. BTW, what rom are you running? Knowing that might give Tony some more options.
Ninja

I'm running LVSW from June... I'll have to get the exact name.

dcarter

07-09-2007, 12:38 AM

Moshpitius it works fast and flawless. I used the hybrid version.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=313392

I put HTC touch .cabs on it (HTChome, dialer, etc.) in addition to the HTC HomePlugin...It navigates fast & comprehensively off the home today screen.

I was most thankful to Ninja for pointing out the DUN mod.....
Too bad for the QVGA screen....Quake is still pretty cool though.

For obvious screen reasons, my HTC will remain primarily as a data port for my beloved IT!!

dcarter

tonydt1g3r

07-09-2007, 09:55 AM

hey thanks to all of you guys that replied. Big thanks to ninja. I got it working.

My problem was I was on 2006 edition. I upgraded to 2007 HE and then paired up using the bluetooth util not the phone bluetooth util and everything worked perfect.

I love my IT now :) and woot.com

SteinyD

07-10-2007, 02:20 AM

I've read this thread about 5 times as well as the thread over at xda-developers and I'm still not getting it though I think I'm close.

I have the TyTN with Black Dymond WM6 ROM. I have installed the DUN cab. I have copied the files from the modemlink zip file into the windows folder on the TyTN. I have also installed PDANet and enabled DUN (maybe reDUNdant with the DUN cab (?).

I have setup a phone connection on the Nokia 770 and paired it. When I do so, the 770 tells me that I will only be able to use it for dial up networking. I setup a network connection on the 770 for my Cingular service.

On my TyTN, then establish a connection with the Internet Sharing utility via the GPRS connection.

When I start to browse from the Nokia 770, I see it communicate with my phone as I see the phone establish a GPRS (edge) connection. However, the Nokia comes back and tells me it failed to connect.

What am I doing wrong? Is there something more I need to do with the modemlink file(s) and the associated registration file? Am I enabling too many layers on the TyTN that are redundant? I think I'm close but I know I'm missing something that is too obvious!

Help!!

Thanks all!
David

yeah.....I got an 8525 Cingular and put WM6 on it too....
WM6 doesn't have Dialup Networking (DUN), it only has PAN.
N800 and 770 doesn't have PAN, so you have to install the DUN .cab that restores that functionality to WM6. (Microsoft had it in WM5 but deleted it to many tomtom owners' dismay.....)
hence this hack:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1351247#post1351247

Download and install the cab and all should be well. It worked for me!

dcarter

Ninja

07-10-2007, 09:58 AM

Make sure you are running 2007HE. Uninstall PDA Net. Reset phone when done. Don't use ICS (which is PAN, not DUN). Check post #14 here for pairing instructions and connection settings. Pair devices. Put down phone! Verify Cingular settings on N770. Initiate connection.

The DUN profile is always active in WM, once the proper .dll's are restored. You should not need to start any application on the Hermes to get a connection with a second device, and truthfully don't even need most settings on the second device (as far as the WM device is concerned), as the *99# "phone number" wakes up the WLAN connection and the OS handles it from there.

Ninja

tonydt1g3r

07-10-2007, 10:37 AM

Just to clear things up since I think I had the most trouble getting it to work. :) Ninja helped a bunch

I have a Nokia 770 and a Cingular 8525, but it should work with any windows mobile 6 phone.

1. Upgrade Nokia 770 to the 2007 HE
2. Upgrade to Windows Mobile 6 on the phone
3. Install the all in one cab file from XDA-Developers. the exe is not needed
4. Turn on bluetooth on the phone and make it discoverable
5. Use the bluetooth utility on the 770, not the phone bluetooth but the normal bluetooth program and pair the phone and 770
6. Create a connection to your carrier, For me I dialed *99#, domain wap.cingular, Username WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM, pw CINGULAR1 (you should know it if you have a data plan)
7. I then tried to connect I dont think it worked the first time. so I deleted the pairing on both the phone and 770, reset the phone only then repeated steps 4 and 5 and connected and it worked

Gameross

07-10-2007, 01:51 PM

Anyone know where to get WM6 for the PPC-6700. I tried doing Tonys directions on a WM5 phone upgraded with latest BigJs ROM, but alas no luck.

I did manage to pair the devices up already using the Bluetooth util, but when I look at the cel phones supported profiles all I see is OPP, whatever that is!

If I try to pair with the phone control applet, it doesn't even see the PPC-6700 at all, so I'm assuming that no DUN is available.

I'm so open to help here!

Even better would be if someone could get BT PAN working on the 770/Hacked ROM!

tonydt1g3r

07-10-2007, 03:12 PM

It would be nice for the 770 to get support for PAN but I highly doubt it. I think windows mobile is going to incorporate DUN back into it before we can get support for PAN. I downloaded my WM6 upgrade at http://wmblack.info/

I think the XDA-Developers site has alot of good info but i think its mostly for HTC devices. You got to find some hacjed rom for your phone. ALso I had problems trying to pair my WM5 device with my 770 on 2006 edition. I never actually tried using WM5 with the 2007HE I think it might be able to work. If you can pair the 770 and your phone on WM5, then open up the phone utility and your phone shows up as one of the devices then it should work.

Gameross

07-10-2007, 05:05 PM

Ninja

07-10-2007, 08:32 PM

The PPC6700/Apache is manufactured by HTC. Look at XDA-Dev, I'm sure that they have a section for it.

Ninja

SteinyD

07-10-2007, 11:19 PM

Thanks for the detail. You and Ninja's post just prior to yours identified the problem. I am running 2006 OS on the device and not sure I want to risk the upgrade, bricking the device or not happy with [in]stability.

Just to clear things up since I think I had the most trouble getting it to work. :) Ninja helped a bunch

I have a Nokia 770 and a Cingular 8525, but it should work with any windows mobile 6 phone.

1. Upgrade Nokia 770 to the 2007 HE
2. Upgrade to Windows Mobile 6 on the phone
3. Install the all in one cab file from XDA-Developers. the exe is not needed
4. Turn on bluetooth on the phone and make it discoverable
5. Use the bluetooth utility on the 770, not the phone bluetooth but the normal bluetooth program and pair the phone and 770
6. Create a connection to your carrier, For me I dialed *99#, domain wap.cingular, Username WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM, pw CINGULAR1 (you should know it if you have a data plan)
7. I then tried to connect I dont think it worked the first time. so I deleted the pairing on both the phone and 770, reset the phone only then repeated steps 4 and 5 and connected and it worked

tonydt1g3r

07-11-2007, 10:06 AM

SteinyD

07-11-2007, 11:54 PM

Ok, I've upgraded to OS 2007. More painless then I thought. I am still having the same issues not being able to get the connection completed. I can pair via bluetooth, I have setup the 'packet data' connection record on the 770 with the Cingular required accesss point and connection info. I can see it communicate with the 8525 phone as it establishes an edge connection. But the 770 reports failed to connect.

On the 8525 i'm running PDAnet. When I don't run PDA net, the 770 bluetooth details for the pairing shows that I only have OPP profile available. When I install PDANet, the 770 pairing details shows that I have OPP and DUN. I don't see DUN after installing the WM6_BT_DUN all in one cab from xda-developers. So something isn't being installed properly.

I'd appreciate a bit more help here ... i'm sure i'm very close to having this done and can't seem to finish it!

Help!

Thanks,
David

Just upgrade how are you going to brick your 770?

tonydt1g3r

07-12-2007, 01:19 PM

make sure your connection settings are correct. Mine were wrong the first time. also did you restart the phone.

SteinyD

07-12-2007, 11:04 PM

Yes, phone restarted (several times). Connection settings in the connectivity profile on the 770? I have it set for packet data and GPRS.

Something about the cab on the phone isn't installed properly. If it were, I would imagine I would see that DUN was available via the 770 connection status when the devices are paired via bluetooth. i only see this when I have pdanet installed and running on the phone.

More suggestions?

make sure your connection settings are correct. Mine were wrong the first time. also did you restart the phone.

Ninja

07-12-2007, 11:24 PM

David,

I don't know if PDANet is WM6 compatible, and odds are that it is interfering with the DUN hack. You should uninstall it and reinstall the DUN hack. Also be sure to remove all partnerships from both devices. Also, you might need to manually apply the hack from the XDA-Dev thread.

Reset the phone and re-pair after all of that. Check the Cingular settings, give it a try and let us know.

Ninja

SteinyD

07-12-2007, 11:37 PM

Hi -

I've done that. I have already uninstalled the PDANet product (and yes, it is WM6 compatible). I also uninstalled the all in one cab from XDA-Dev and reinstalled it as well. The cingular settings you are referring to I assume are those that are in the connectivity profile created on the 770. Those are setup as noted in this thread.

David,

I don't know if PDANet is WM6 compatible, and odds are that it is interfering with the DUN hack. You should uninstall it and reinstall the DUN hack. Also be sure to remove all partnerships from both devices. Also, you might need to manually apply the hack from the XDA-Dev thread.

Reset the phone and re-pair after all of that. Check the Cingular settings, give it a try and let us know.

Ninja

tonydt1g3r

07-13-2007, 02:08 PM

I think you might need WM6 on your 8525 go to the website I posted up top blackmajik

SteinyD

07-13-2007, 04:15 PM

Tony -

I've done all of this. I've been running Black Dymond on my 8525 (really an imported TyTN branded version) for months. I just recently bought the 770.. I've set it up as you've described below. I think the problem I'm having is the BT6_DUN cab on xda though it says successfully installed doesn't seem like it is doing what it should. The reason I think that is that when I look at the BT profile on the 770 by clicking on its details, it shows me that the only profile available on my phone does not include DUN.

So - help! Please!

Just to clear things up since I think I had the most trouble getting it to work. :) Ninja helped a bunch

I have a Nokia 770 and a Cingular 8525, but it should work with any windows mobile 6 phone.

1. Upgrade Nokia 770 to the 2007 HE
2. Upgrade to Windows Mobile 6 on the phone
3. Install the all in one cab file from XDA-Developers. the exe is not needed
4. Turn on bluetooth on the phone and make it discoverable
5. Use the bluetooth utility on the 770, not the phone bluetooth but the normal bluetooth program and pair the phone and 770
6. Create a connection to your carrier, For me I dialed *99#, domain wap.cingular, Username WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM, pw CINGULAR1 (you should know it if you have a data plan)
7. I then tried to connect I dont think it worked the first time. so I deleted the pairing on both the phone and 770, reset the phone only then repeated steps 4 and 5 and connected and it worked

Ninja

07-14-2007, 10:01 AM

David,

I also had a bit of a problem with Black Dymond. It was solved by : installing the DUN cab and then manually copying the modem link software to \Windows and manually activating the .reg file. The I reset the phone, re-paired and created the connection profile in the N800. Attempted to connect, and reset the 8525 again after the connection failed. On subsequent connections all is well.

If this doesn't work for you we probably ought to try and solve this over IM, with Tony is he can join us. PM me some times and we can make a go of it.

Ninja

SteinyD

07-14-2007, 10:23 AM

Thanksf or that. ok, next question. Could someone help me to reg the modemlink reg file. I copied the files to the \windows directory but can't figure out how to 'import' that file. I also noted somewhere in this thread that there is a delimiter issue in the reg file that causes a bunch of the settings to be 'jumbled' up on one line? Has anyone figured out how to sort that out?

Thanks!
David

P.S. - I am finding that OS 2007 is highly unstable on the 770. While browsing, I often find significant delays as it retrieves information and periodically automatically soft restarts. I didn't have these problems with OS 2006.

David,

I also had a bit of a problem with Black Dymond. It was solved by : installing the DUN cab and then manually copying the modem link software to \Windows and manually activating the .reg file. The I reset the phone, re-paired and created the connection profile in the N800. Attempted to connect, and reset the 8525 again after the connection failed. On subsequent connections all is well.

If this doesn't work for you we probably ought to try and solve this over IM, with Tony is he can join us. PM me some times and we can make a go of it.

Ninja

Ninja

07-17-2007, 01:07 AM

Just tap on the file name from within the file manager. It should import on it's own after that.

Ninja

SteinyD

07-17-2007, 06:50 PM

Ok, I finally have this working and just in time to receive my N800 tomorrow (couldn't resist). So my 770 is now talking to my HTC TyTN just fine. I changed the ROM build from Black Dymond to the AT&T release build. I then installed the DUN cab and the modemlink cab and imported the registry file (missed this step the first time as I didn't have a reg program at the time that did import). I followed the rest of the steps and now have the two connected.

I hope its just as 'easy' when I get the N800 tomorrow!

Thanks to all for the assistance on this ..

Regards,
David

Ninja

07-18-2007, 02:04 AM

Hooray!

Ninja

mattyduk

07-18-2007, 04:52 AM

just to add to this. Received my N770 yesterday and tried to use it with my Tytn running Wm6. Saw this thread and installed the WM6_DUN cab, but it still didn't work.

Tried it this morning with a pre wm5/6 smartphone and it still didn't access the net, so something else was up

Eventually looked at the settings that the 770 had setup for the tmobile UK connection and saw that instead of *99# it had put some additional characters in. Changed it, and now it works great ! So no need for me to change to OS 2007 HE, it works fine on OS2006

DynaMight

07-18-2007, 08:42 AM

Delta5

07-19-2007, 11:57 AM

Brand new user, just getting to know my N770. I know *nothing* about it yet, but so far I'm really enjoying it. Enjoying it so much I'm thinking of picking up an N800 too.

However, I want to say that I can report that bluetooth DUN works on the stock N770 and my stock Cingular 8125 w/ WM5. No PDANet, DLL's, or other hacking required.

You can just use the wizard to set it up the pairing. The warning is because the 8125 does not support file transfers over BT, and has nothing to do with DUN. But you do need to modify the connection settings as above from the Connection Manager. #99* and WAP.CINGULARGPRS, etc. The modem initialization commands are important too, the AT+CG....

Anyway, it does work but not perfectly. Sometimes it takes 3 or 4 tries before the N770 gets the connection, and occasionally I have to soft reset the 8125, but eventually it will connect. Once connected, it's mostly solid and I'm seeing good speeds for normal surfing, email, and streaming audio. I do occasionally get a dropped connection, which is somewhat strange.

My $.02:
You don't really *need* to have a tethering packaged added to your account. The official stance is that you must have it to tether or you will be charged for every kb. I've followed the discussion for years over on HowardForums; this is a hotly debated topic. Head over there and do a search for 'cingular' and 'tethering'. Lots of reading will follow. FYI, I do not have a 'tethering' plan and have never had an extra charge for the rare tethering to my laptop to check email or the news when I'm away from an internet connection. We're talking maybe 20-30mb of data over the course of a weekend, maybe once a month. No, I wouldn't use it to stream bittorrents, but in my experience it's fine for 'light' surfing and email. Again, just my opinion, so take it with a grain of salt, as they say.

rkopper

08-16-2007, 09:18 PM

I have the Tmobile Wing and cannot seem to get my N800 to tether to the phone.. I've installed the WM6DUN cab on my wing and it installs properly. The phone and the N800 pair properly and the necessary profile is there (DUN)... Whenever I attempt to connect to the phone, my edge icon drops off and I just have the antenna with bars... Oddly, when I look at the phone settings...even though it has DUN, it doesn't show that there is any cellular type. Is this my problem? I have tried wap.voicestream.com, internet2, internet3... I have the unlimited data plan (30$) and I understand that the pan via internet sharing is not going to work. I desperatly want this to work as this was one of the biggest reasons I bought an N800. What am I missing?? I've also re/un paired several times. Reading through the forum, Ninja seems to have it figured out and I followed the instructions to the letter. ANY help getting this figured out would be great.

miro

09-12-2007, 09:07 PM

Hi all...

It took forever to get the N800 to see my 8525 under the "Phone" section of the Control Panel and I can now select my 8525 from the Connection icon in the upper right hand corner. However, it doesn't connect. I get a "network connection error".

What do I need to do on the 8525? I have the DUN and WModem installed. I've tried connecting to 3G and then trying to connect to the phone from the N800, but when I do that, it disconnects my 3G connection. If I don't connect to 3G and try connecting to it from the N800, it doesn't do anything (I was hoping it would initiate the 3G connection).

I've also tried running WModem and that doesn't work for me either.

I've also gone through the "wizard" and setup a "Cingular Internet" connection (and made the dial change to *99#) and that yields the same results as the connection I created. I'm so close! It just won't connect. Any help is greatly appreciated!

TIA!

UPDATE: HOLY BALLS. It's working. I installed the all-in-one WM6 DUN cab from here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=314371&page=3) and now I'm able to connect.

I do have a question though. The phone doesn't show that it's connected to 3G. How is it connecting?

TIA!