Future of N900

[Xictus]

As we know that meego will be not released for N900 and Maemo 6 project is dead. Will there be any big big os updates in future? Of course Nokia will not update it much anyways but how about maemo community? I downloaded one week ago application called "CSSU" which isn't yet full version. Even thought it's in development stage but I have received some updates which have been very useful for me. For example latest update enabled full portrait mode. So, the question is can Maemo community make a big os update for example Maemo 6? Does anybody know when CSSU will be released as full version?

Best regards, Xictus

[fahadj2003]

ure gonna die long before n900 can get any better then it already is..
live with it
i'ma buy x7

[lorul2]

As we know that meego will be not released for N900 and Maemo 6 project is dead. Will there be any big big os updates in future? Of course Nokia will not update it much anyways but how about maemo community? I downloaded one week ago application called "CSSU" which isn't yet full version. Even thought it's in development stage but I have received some updates which have been very useful for me. For example latest update enabled full portrait mode. So, the question is can Maemo community make a big os update for example Maemo 6? Does anybody know when CSSU will be released as full version?

Best regards, Xictus

Welcome to the community....I think this may be the nicest reply you recieve on this thread... Use the search button, every word of your post has been covered on this site atleast a dozen times...

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[rocky333]

at this speed... n900 will die soon..... very soon...

xD

[abill_uk]

The future of the N900 is purely down to this community and i know a lot of people like yourself will feel the same as you do so just have to hang in there untill MeeGo gets its *** off the ground, officially nothing will be released from Nokia and as much as i moan and groan on here it is very very very slow going.

The forum is clogged to death now with almost every subject almost hidden away and i really do think it is about time for a "spring" cleanout of antiquated threads that go on and on and on.

[tswindell]

The future of the N900 is purely down to this community and i know a lot of people like yourself will feel the same as you do so just have to hang in there untill MeeGo gets its *** off the ground, officially nothing will be released from Nokia and as much as i moan and groan on here it is very very very slow going.

The forum is clogged to death now with almost every subject almost hidden away and i really do think it is about time for a "spring" cleanout of antiquated threads that go on and on and on.

Hah, trying to cover your tracks? :D I swear you've posted at least two other threads with exactly the same title as this.

@OP, we're all (those of use that develop for the device) trying very hard to make things better for us all, but we're limited on time/resources as we all work for free. Hopefully MeeGo DE will be ready for power users and those willing to have a less refined but more open and potentially technically better system than Maemo offers sometime in the future. This wont be the current release we're working on, but with a lot of love from those of us that are working on it, one day this can be a reality. Maybe you can help by offering some of your time? :)

[abill_uk]

All i can say is i won't hold my breath !.

Maybe someone could come up with a plan to actually raise funds to pay developers to devote more time, just a suggestion but at this rate by the time anything is substantially ready the N900 will be dead and buried ha.

[tswindell]

All i can say is i won't hold my breath !.

Maybe someone could come up with a plan to actually raise funds to pay developers to devote more time, just a suggestion but at this rate by the time anything is substantially ready the N900 will be dead and buried ha.

Why don't you try and come up with a way to raise funds for us developers? I'd be happy to devote my time to community bounties. MeeGo is shaping up really well, all we lack now is good application support. The N900 Developer Edition attempts to drive more N900 developers away from Maemo or at least try and make them work with MeeGo a bit more. I and a fair few others' will be happy to use MeeGo N900 DE as a primary device very soon. I think that speaks quite heavily to the contrary of your statement of it being a long way off.

[abill_uk]

I would love to be able to pay a team to get it to user capability but alas i am not that rich.

Sad part about it all is we only have what we have and IF a sensible UI can be put together making use of the components we have then it will be a blessing, if only we just had 512 of ram to play with as it clearly overclockes very well @1gb but the sad part is the lack of funds i am sure to get a good team going.

I and i am sure almost every N900 owner will pay for a good MeeGo OS and i do not think even that has been suggested as it will bring revenue at the end of development to user standard, how about a meager 50$ to download?, could raise quite a bit dont you think?.

[attila77]

As we know that meego will be not released for N900 and Maemo 6 project is dead. Will there be any big big os updates in future? Of course Nokia will not update it much anyways but how about maemo community?


This is somewhat wrong on both counts - MeeGo will be released for the N900 in the form of the Developer Edition, and while the name Maemo 6 might be not be in circulation, the Maemo 5 successor project is very much alive - as announced by Nokia, will be released as a MeeGo related product later this year. Nokia might not release that one as an upgrade, but I'm confident there will be community efforts to backport as much as possible from it to N900 in some form, within the limitation of the hardware and various drivers, of course.

[riceboy]

lol at the tags on this thread

[SkyKnight]

Lol..... At the tags tooo....

Btw... This would've been a great question if asked about 6 months ago which a lot of ppl already did.... :P

[PartyboyXP]

Meego DE development will be continued after the release of the 1.2 FINAL VERSION? Is a future 1.3 version in the plans?

[attila77]

I would assume so, but this would be better asked in the MeeGo DE thread and/or from jukkaeklund

[tswindell]

Whether by Nokia or not, the current N900 adaptation team and those of us that are enthusiastic about MeeGo on the N900 will keep the DE platform updated. You have to understand that MeeGo development and also Nokias' N900 Developer Edition are all being developed in the open, so even if the first DE release (based on MeeGo 1.2) is all Nokia actively contribute their resources to, the project will still be alive.

In fact, Nokias participation in creating the "Developer Edition" is merely assiging Nokia devs work and making sure MeeGo contributers are concentrating on the right areas, bugs and features, to reach the DE specifications. And it is clearly visible that Jukka and the team have successfully made really great progress in this regard. I can only hope we continue to have the great project management we've had recently with the N900 DE project. Something that has been a great help and source of inspiration for us all.

@abill, I wasn't asking you to pay out of your pocket, I was asking you to maybe look into creating the means and raising funds for possibly a bounty programme

[mikecomputing]

All i can say is i won't hold my breath !.

Maybe someone could come up with a plan to actually raise funds to pay developers to devote more time, just a suggestion but at this rate by the time anything is substantially ready the N900 will be dead and buried ha.

What have you done to make Meego/Maemo developing/progressing faster?

[mikecomputing]

Meego DE development will be continued after the release of the 1.2 FINAL VERSION? Is a future 1.3 version in the plans?

It is upto de developors/Community and thats includes all of us!

If we want Meego 1.3 lets contribute! Simple is that.

[danramos]

This is somewhat wrong on both counts - MeeGo will be released for the N900 in the form of the Developer Edition, and while the name Maemo 6 might be not be in circulation, the Maemo 5 successor project is very much alive - as announced by Nokia, will be released as a MeeGo related product later this year. Nokia might not release that one as an upgrade, but I'm confident there will be community efforts to backport as much as possible from it to N900 in some form, within the limitation of the hardware and various drivers, of course.

Whether by Nokia or not, the current N900 adaptation team and those of us that are enthusiastic about MeeGo on the N900 will keep the DE platform updated. You have to understand that MeeGo development and also Nokias' N900 Developer Edition are all being developed in the open, so even if the first DE release (based on MeeGo 1.2) is all Nokia actively contribute their resources to, the project will still be alive.

In fact, Nokias participation in creating the "Developer Edition" is merely assiging Nokia devs work and making sure MeeGo contributers are concentrating on the right areas, bugs and features, to reach the DE specifications. And it is clearly visible that Jukka and the team have successfully made really great progress in this regard. I can only hope we continue to have the great project management we've had recently with the N900 DE project. Something that has been a great help and source of inspiration for us all.


I'm still waiting for that Maemo Fremantle developer edition we were promised for N8x0 devices. Nokia's history of these devices does not instill confidence.

[tswindell]

I'm still waiting for that Maemo Fremantle developer edition we were promised for N8x0 devices. Nokia's history of these devices does not instill confidence.

The difference here is that we're not waiting, the project is out in the public and accepting contributions. It is moving forward and you can use it now. It's not like how things have been in the past for us here. Which is positive :)

[danramos]

The difference here is that we're not waiting, the project is out in the public and accepting contributions. It is moving forward and you can use it now. It's not like how things have been in the past for us here. Which is positive :)

Hopefully not--but it's left me very cynical despite the "here and now" of MeeGo. There's still closed drivers and firmware to deal with and I can't help getting the sneaking suspicion that Nokia will find a way to ruin it.

[Hurrian]

What the hell is going on here, for the 9001th time on the forum?

MeeGo DE is going to be complete rather soon, but it'll always still be a DE. Expect that for a few months after release, it'll feel like Maemo PR1.0 all over again. Hopefully it'll get polished up over time, though. Note the emphasis.
If you need/want a good, stable OS for the N900, it's already here, and it's called Maemo 5 PR1.3. Learn how to use swappolube and Transition Control, and turn on HWSync. If you really need it, 750MHz+XLV is a safe overclock.

Why so negative, TMO?
And BTW, can people PLEASE stop *****ing to the Nitdroid team that NITDroid can't make calls, FC's apps, runs the phone VERY hot, etc. It's very different from Maemo, not to mention they had to make some drivers for it to work acceptably. Same for the people *****ing about MeeGo, 2.6.37 is a real feat on the N900, not to mention how nice it runs on the device (HINT: If all the functions worked - phone, messaging, camera, accel, sensor, slider, MeeGo HUX apps - the quality would be on par with PR1.0. Hopefully that'll be done in a month.)

[abill_uk]

What the hell is going on here, for the 9001th time on the forum?

MeeGo DE is going to be complete rather soon, but it'll always still be a DE. Expect that for a few months after release, it'll feel like Maemo PR1.0 all over again. Hopefully it'll get polished up over time, though. Note the emphasis.
If you need/want a good, stable OS for the N900, it's already here, and it's called Maemo 5 PR1.3. Learn how to use swappolube and Transition Control, and turn on HWSync. If you really need it, 750MHz+XLV is a safe overclock.

Why so negative, TMO?
And BTW, can people PLEASE stop *****ing to the Nitdroid team that NITDroid can't make calls, FC's apps, runs the phone VERY hot, etc. It's very different from Maemo, not to mention they had to make some drivers for it to work acceptably. Same for the people *****ing about MeeGo, 2.6.37 is a real feat on the N900, not to mention how nice it runs on the device (HINT: If all the functions worked - phone, messaging, camera, accel, sensor, slider, MeeGo HUX apps - the quality would be on par with PR1.0. Hopefully that'll be done in a month.)

I think that cow does not do it for you haha i would pick a different animal if i was you cos your in a bad bad mood :D

[Hurrian]

Nah, abill_uk, I'm fine, it's just that I'm bothered by the amount of people that want MeeGo ASAP just because it's shiny and new.

Personally, I still like Maemo, and contrary to what a lot of people believe, it's still a decent phone OS in 2011 for the enthusiast, unlike iOS and Android.

[tswindell]

Hopefully not--but it's left me very cynical despite the "here and now" of MeeGo. There's still closed drivers and firmware to deal with and I can't help getting the sneaking suspicion that Nokia will find a way to ruin it.

Well, they wont, and they can't.

[lucas777]

The n900 is getting old why are people still trying? ffs its like you all saying you want windows 95 to still be updated.. yes the n900 is a bloody fantastic mobile computer but lets face it things change for the better just deal with it.

[abill_uk]

Well, they wont, and they can't.

Explain to everyone how they won't and can't?.

[tswindell]

The n900 is getting old why are people still trying? ffs its like you all saying you want windows 95 to still be updated.. yes the n900 is a bloody fantastic mobile computer but lets face it things change for the better just deal with it.

That's not what we're after at all. We want a more future proof platform with which we can bootstrap development for future devices that haven't appeared yet. I don't understand your hostility or negativity, if you've not got anything worthwhile saying, why not just keep quiet?

[tswindell]

Explain to everyone how they won't and can't?.

MeeGo development is open, if Nokia stop contributing it doesn't mean the work they and we have put in disappears, and it doesn't mean that the development will cease.

[abill_uk]

Nah, abill_uk, I'm fine, it's just that I'm bothered by the amount of people that want MeeGo ASAP just because it's shiny and new.

Personally, I still like Maemo, and contrary to what a lot of people believe, it's still a decent phone OS in 2011 for the enthusiast, unlike iOS and Android.

Yes i agree to an extent as Maemo is very much a functional OS but this MeeGo is a very debatable subject as it is not a Nokia production OS and certainly some questions to be asked there, we wait and see with anticipation.

Obviously a lot of doubts shadow MeeGo due to past history with Nokia over the N900 so as i said....... we have no choice to wait and see.

[abill_uk]

MeeGo development is open, if Nokia stop contributing it doesn't mean the work they and we have put in disappears, and it doesn't mean that the development will cease.

This does not sound right to me because if as you say Nokia IS contributing? then surely it would release everything that is closed to the MeeGo team to make sure the development for the N900 will be complete without any hinderances from closed anything that Nokia are obviously holding on to.

If there are legal reasons Nokia do not let everything be open then surely it should be pointed out the area's that are difficult that end up in a nofix situation consquently for the MeeGo release.

My point right from the beggining was not a doubt on the MeeGo development team and everyone involved in its progress but the so called input from Nokia for MeeGo.

[tswindell]

This does not sound right to me because if as you say Nokia IS contributing? then surely it would release everything that is closed to the MeeGo team to make sure the development for the N900 will be complete without any hinderances from closed anything that Nokia are obviously holding on to.

If there are legal reasons Nokia do not let everything be open then surely it should be pointed out the area's that are difficult that end up in a nofix situation consquently for the MeeGo release.

My point right from the beggining was not a doubt on the MeeGo development team and everyone involved in its progress but the so called input from Nokia for MeeGo.

You're starting to not make any sense again. I think you're confusing Maemo with MeeGo.

[ysss]

$sudo /sbin/modprobe wait&see
FATAL: module wait&see not compatible with the FOSS movement.

[abill_uk]

You're starting to not make any sense again. I think you're confusing Maemo with MeeGo.

We want MeeGo for the N900 yes? and to write a complete OS then obviously all drivers need to be open source, is that the case now?.

You do realise that if for instance 2 million N900's have been sold then just about every single unit will be upgraded to a successful MeeGo OS?.

I am not being cynical in any way of the MeeGo development but i doubt Nokia if it has anything whatsoever to do with the future of MeeGo as i feel some control will be on the cards from Nokia.

[tswindell]

I doubt even 25% of N900 users will upgrade to MeeGo, most will have left the N900 behind months ago. 2 million devices? Hah, I don't think so. The number is probably below 500k. Admittedly we have closed drivers, but they're open to some people, people that do not work for Nokia and are as committed to MeeGo on the N900 as anyone. The drivers do not need to be open, it'd be nice if everything was but the majority of even desktop and laptop machines use closed proprietary blobs. The most important thing is that these blobs are compiled against the latest kernel tree and the latest glibc etc.

I think you have to understand that MeeGo has little to do with Nokia and more to do with community. Obviously Nokia have helped us all a great deal, but it is more about what you and I do with the platform that matters.

[tswindell]

I say "upgrade", maybe "transition" is the best word, as MeeGo will not offer everything Maemo has, we wont have Adobe Flash for instance and there is still a lot of work to be done in the UX to make it as complete and integrated as Maemo is now.

[abill_uk]

I doubt even 25% of N900 users will upgrade to MeeGo, most will have left the N900 behind months ago. 2 million devices? Hah, I don't think so. The number is probably below 500k. Admittedly we have closed drivers, but they're open to some people, people that do not work for Nokia and are as committed to MeeGo on the N900 as anyone. The drivers do not need to be open, it'd be nice if everything was but the majority of even desktop and laptop machines use closed proprietary blobs. The most important thing is that these blobs are compiled against the latest kernel tree and the latest glibc etc.

I think you have to understand that MeeGo has little to do with Nokia and more to do with community. Obviously Nokia have helped us all a great deal, but it is more about what you and I do with the platform that matters.

Good explanation many thanks for that at least it makes people more aware of what is going on on the MeeGo development.

As for your 25% i hope MeeGo is that good that everyone will go for it and so they should after all the hard work put into it.

[tswindell]

Good explanation many thanks for that at least it makes people more aware of what is going on on the MeeGo development.

As for your 25% i hope MeeGo is that good that everyone will go for it and so they should after all the hard work put into it.

Well, wrt to Adobe Flash, at the very least we can do what Apple do with their iSeries devices and just have some cool apps that can download and play the .flv files through mplayer or something. Apps like CuteTube would probably be really awesome on the device.

[Frappacino]

if you want a phone with frequent OS updates, sell your N900 and buy another phone - the N900 is at its most polished state NOW and it will be a LONG time (if it even gets there) before other OS alternatives on the N900 get close to it

if you are not a technie who wants to write code for the N900 and drive development for a hobby platform, dont waste your time - move on and get another phone.

[danramos]

You're starting to not make any sense again. I think you're confusing Maemo with MeeGo.

Or he's having Mer flashbacks. That wasn't Maemo either, you know. I'll believe it when I see it. That's what I learned from my Maemo experiences.

[abill_uk]

Or he's having Mer flashbacks. That wasn't Maemo either, you know. I'll believe it when I see it. That's what I learned from my Maemo experiences.

Precisely what i was thinking !.

[Stskeeps]

Or he's having Mer flashbacks. That wasn't Maemo either, you know. I'll believe it when I see it. That's what I learned from my Maemo experiences.

Download DE and try it out then, much better than Mer already ;)

[abill_uk]

Download DE and try it out then, much better than Mer already ;)

WIll not be long now at this rate before i give it a spin, great teamwork by the way i can only praise and admire.

[danramos]

Download DE and try it out then, much better than Mer already ;)

Considering I didn't bother with an N900 myself, I might actually try out the Galaxy Tab port (bonus: 7" laaaarge screen... another disappointing quality of the N900 was the REDUCED screen size compared to my N800). Still, if it's truly an open-source OS, it shouldn't really matter what I'm running it on as long ad a minimal set of drivers are involved. Either way (Tab or N900), I'm deeply annoyed that blobs are going to be involved but... what can I do? :/

Actually, has anybody tried porting it to the Nook Color? That thing seems virtually impossible to brick, very inexpensive and HIIIIGHLY hackable.

[tswindell]

Yes apparently MeeGo is running on the Nook Colour (I think).

[Stskeeps]

Considering I didn't bother with an N900 myself, I might actually try out the Galaxy Tab port (bonus: 7" laaaarge screen... another disappointing quality of the N900 was the REDUCED screen size compared to my N800). Still, if it's truly an open-source OS, it shouldn't really matter what I'm running it on as long ad a minimal set of drivers are involved. Either way (Tab or N900), I'm deeply annoyed that blobs are going to be involved but... what can I do? :/

Actually, has anybody tried porting it to the Nook Color? That thing seems virtually impossible to brick, very inexpensive and HIIIIGHLY hackable.

Shouldn't matter, but GLESv2/EGL drivers are a hard requirement to get any kind of reasonable performance - in MeeGo.com we build towards Mesa so any kind of GLES implementation can be used, depending on device.

[danramos]

Yes apparently MeeGo is running on the Nook Colour (I think).

If you bothered to do an easy Google search, you would have easily found this thread:
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3037

...oh wait, it was *I* who brought it up. ;) We're welcome. heheh

[abill_uk]

if you want a phone with frequent OS updates, sell your N900 and buy another phone - the N900 is at its most polished state NOW and it will be a LONG time (if it even gets there) before other OS alternatives on the N900 get close to it

if you are not a technie who wants to write code for the N900 and drive development for a hobby platform, dont waste your time - move on and get another phone.

Sorry but i can only disagree with you in many ways because not only is the N900 becoming more and more hackable but also the hardware is proving to be probably the best ever Nokia device to work with even if it does have a usb problem (easy to repair).

And to make such comments without first trying out MeeGo from the brilliant work being accomplished so far is an unfair comment.

I of all have been more cynical than you for sure but now i see real progress and if i could turn back the clock !.

[geneven]

I think there is something revolutionary about this community that shouldn't die. The N900 potentially has a lot of room for dramatic improvement. There still aren't phones out there that make me want to get rid of the N900. One of the great things about this community is that it has effectively been abandoned by Nokia. I wish there was a way it could continue the march, maybe join up with the Pandora cult and become a truly independent force beyond the clutches of the increasingly corrupt commercial interests that are struggling for control of the chaotic movement that started when PCs became affordable by individuals and empowered even more people when smaller technology occupied people's hands and pockets.

I agree with Abil_uk that the N900 is becoming more and more hackable, though the time can't be far off when all of our usb ports break and we have to move on. I hope that we find devices to move on to that are worthy of the N900 and the community that has sprung up.