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thoughtfix
07-06-2007, 02:11 AM
WATCH THIS POST (http://tabletblog.com/2007/07/breaking-news-new-firmware-is-here.html)

TTgowings
07-06-2007, 02:22 AM
Wooo wee, dl now..

footballcrazy
07-06-2007, 02:30 AM
so glad i dint go to sleep :) wat a start to the weekend :) still need sleep tho lol

coheed22
07-06-2007, 02:37 AM
where can i download this

Nik
07-06-2007, 02:38 AM
Go to nokia.com/n800 then click the support link in the bottom right corner.

twaelti
07-06-2007, 02:41 AM
Perfect Timing :D
I received a twice used N800 yesterday evening (for nearly half the original price), played around a bit and just finished resetting it to the original settings a moment ago. I'm good to go....hehe

Great device and OS BTW - just needs some "ripening" (and a much easier way to develop on it...)

Nik
07-06-2007, 02:43 AM
I was surprised a little while ago, when I checked this forum and planet maemo, and nothing about an update, and then checked the nokia site and there was one.

Thoughtfix, you beat me to be the first poster though. Your post was there once I had started the download. (I had to prioritize :) )

Now to see what's new...

coheed22
07-06-2007, 02:44 AM
why do the realse notes still has the 3.2007 ecettra on it shouldnt it be saying 4.2007... by the way im in the usa its 2:45 am maybe its not realeased in the usa yet.

Seb Per
07-06-2007, 03:00 AM
http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/

TTgowings
07-06-2007, 03:03 AM
It's there go to this link (http://maemo.org/downloads/nokia_N800).

zok
07-06-2007, 03:04 AM
Yeah, Thoughtfix has already posted a few pics on his blog.

Gluz
07-06-2007, 03:08 AM
So whos the first one to tell whats new?

coheed22
07-06-2007, 03:08 AM
Ok i have windows xp and it doesnt reconize the file what should i do put it on my mmc or how do i install it help is very much appereciated.
Thanks
c22

Seb Per
07-06-2007, 03:14 AM
Yeah, Thoughtfix has already posted a few pics on his blog.

Yes I noticed afterward. I posted as soon as I could see it. But the intention was to spread the news, not to be the first. By the way Thoughtfix has a much better post than this simple link.

Seb Per
07-06-2007, 03:16 AM
THoughtfix thread is there.

http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=56887#post56887

Seb Per
07-06-2007, 03:21 AM
someone might as well be interested to interpret the release note:

http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/bora/maemo-sdk-relnotes_3.2.txt

johsua
07-06-2007, 03:27 AM
SDHC is supported. =) Gotta go to work now... My wife is going to hate me later...

Nik
07-06-2007, 03:42 AM
The new Skype is nice. I like the UI much better than the standard Linux client.

There's some new announcements on maemo.org:

Nokia has just announced an update to the Internet Tablet OS 2007 edition, feature upgrade release is now available for download. The update (version number 4.2007.26-8) includes Skype client support, Adobe® Flash® 9 browser plug-in, improvements in online use times and single memory card support up to 8 GB. Also delightful new pre-installed content is available.

Yay, SDHC!

zok
07-06-2007, 03:47 AM
Yes I noticed afterward. I posted as soon as I could see it. But the intention was to spread the news, not to be the first. By the way Thoughtfix has a much better post than this simple link.

The first thing in the morning I checked out the Thoughtfix' blog, saw the news, came here at ITT, saw your post and finally posted about his blog. so basically I also only wanted to spread the news. :)

Btw, does Skype support webcam? I can't check it myself since I must go to work now... :(

geneven
07-06-2007, 03:52 AM
The update was so fast it was scary. I already had the update software downloaded; that helped. Unfortunately I somehow deleted my backup. But I'm always philosophical about these things...

Seb Per
07-06-2007, 04:00 AM
what does "delightful content" stand for?

Garage Battle
07-06-2007, 04:02 AM
still managed to crash it on youtube on the second page i brought up.


this thing is just laughable. seriously.

it just laughed at me when i tried to full screen it.

also google maps is screwing up. not showing any information in the bubbles above locations. WHY?!!? DID NO ONE TEST THIS THING???

this thing sucks. why even bother releasing firmware if its not right.

Id love to come do product testing. Come on Nokia, you wont hire me. You wont.

andrewlogan
07-06-2007, 04:17 AM
last.fm works, pandora seems as slow as usual, youtube is about the same, facebook video loads but flash cannot detect the camera. Solid update overall.

thoughtfix
07-06-2007, 04:22 AM
Can someone post a list of the new included bookmarks?

maxilogan
07-06-2007, 04:23 AM
what does "delightful content" stand for?

Yes, and what are the things that Texrat and Mara were talking of? At least I'm quite impressed about Flash 9 presence! Very good!

Seb Per
07-06-2007, 04:25 AM
Nokia website release note finally updated...



What's new

OS 2007 edition v. 4.2007.26-8 includes:

Skype client support

After downloading the new software for the Nokia N800 Internet Tablet and installing Skype, users are ready to make free Internet Calls to other Skype users and low cost calls to landline or mobile phone wherever there is a wireless connection. From coffee shops to offices, to hotels or even on the beach, users will now be able to make Skype calls anywhere they can find a wi-fi hotspot. The Skype user experience familiar from desktop includes also chat, presence, contact details and account management features. The feature upgrade includes easy and quick installer for Skype client.

Adobe® Flash® 9 browser plug-in

Adobe® Flash® 9 browser plug-in has been one of the most wanted features requested by the Nokia N800 Internet Tablet users. The upgrade to Adobe® Flash® 9 browser plug-in opens the door to many rich media websites and considerably improves web usability. It also improves substantially the media performance when using video streaming services.

Up to 8 GB memory card support

More music and more videos imply more memory resources. Memory card support has increased from 2 GB to up to 8 GB, covering most part of the range of memory cards available in the market nowadays.

With two memory card slots the devices memory capability is extendable up to 16 GB. Over 2 GB SD memory cards must be SDHC compatible.

Other Improvements

A lot of work has been done into increasing the battery life of the Nokia N800 Internet Tablet. Most of the improvements have been done around the wireless connection, resulting in remarkably longer online usages.

The new Internet Tablet OS brings some improvements at an application level as well. The most visible change is clarification of Now Playing and Library modes for Media Player. The contents of the cards are also scanned faster than before.

Touch screen sensitiveness has been improved through software enhancements. Now the screen areas with most intensive use register events more efficiently.

Nokia Internet Call Invitation (BETA) application

Nokia Internet Call Invitation (BETA) trial period has ended. The invitation mechanism has been removed and service will not be accessible after 31.8.2007.

New pre-installed content

* Tableteer info applet
* Updated Internet radio channels
* Real Rhapsody player easy installer (available for US. residents only)
* Piquant new web sites

coheed22
07-06-2007, 04:31 AM
Hello I just wanted to know you your opinions on the the firmware do you like it what about youtube? ecetra. I also heard that there in no a2dp support.... please ttell im wrong i was hoping that would be included. Anyway so what do you think
Thanks

c22

maxilogan
07-06-2007, 04:35 AM
Can someone post a list of the new included bookmarks?

Don't know if it is due to having restored my backup, but mine are the same as before :confused:

maxilogan
07-06-2007, 04:36 AM
Can someone post a list of the new included bookmarks?

PS You're still online!! What's the time there in Phoenix?! I'm at work from 2 hours... :mad:

lkravovicz
07-06-2007, 04:41 AM
all i know is, skype is really well done, and that's the single most important tool for me.

thoughtfix
07-06-2007, 04:50 AM
It's 1:49 AM, just did my last update (http://tabletblog.com/2007/07/breaking-news-new-firmware-is-here.html), added a summary, and am going to bed.

I invite others to try to duplicate the browser rendering problems I was getting. Those were just weird.

Oh and you're welcome to try to slashdot, digg, Engadget/Gizmodo that post or this thread. Worth it to get the Skype/N800 exposure out there.

chilko
07-06-2007, 04:52 AM
strange, after the update it seems that tablet don't like my toshiba router

Toontje
07-06-2007, 04:52 AM
Nokia Internet Call Invitation (BETA) trial period has ended. The invitation mechanism has been removed and service will not be accessible after 31.8.2007.
Do i read that Nokia stops the Internet Call Invitation service? Or just the Beta and they will put it in production?


Ton.

Toontje
07-06-2007, 04:56 AM
last.fm works, pandora seems as slow as usual, youtube is about the same, facebook video loads but flash cannot detect the camera. Solid update overall.

Can you do me a favor and try Musicovery (www.musicovery.com)?

Thanks,

Ton.

ukki
07-06-2007, 05:00 AM
I just can't get over how much better the touchscreen is now! Worth the upgrade alone. THANK YOU Nokia!

Poikanen
07-06-2007, 05:02 AM
Best of all is that touch screen seems to have A LOT of better sensitivy.

nyleridedog
07-06-2007, 05:06 AM
yes touch screen is super responsive now, little things hey.

cheers

konttori
07-06-2007, 05:12 AM
I'm a bit disappointed. Especially about the poor youtube video support and the lack of a2dp support.
Also, I'm really disappointed that they removed the Nokia Call Invitation Beta entirely. Although I may be wrong here, but is it possible to call desktop users via video call at all?

The app apparently had problems, but I wish they would have fixed those instead of dropping the app completely.

I'm looking forward to the better battery management. Hope it really works.

konttori
07-06-2007, 05:19 AM
I agree. Skype is great thing and thumb sensitivity seems a bit better as well. Those are nice things. OTOH, I don't see why that wasn't just an installable application.

maxilogan
07-06-2007, 05:23 AM
Hello I just wanted to know you your opinions on the the firmware do you like it what about youtube? ecetra. I also heard that there in no a2dp support.... please ttell im wrong i was hoping that would be included. Anyway so what do you think

Starting to reinstall my old apps and:
- cannot refresh the list since there are errors with some repos
- cannot install Python 2.5 runtime
- screwed my opera side srcrollbar until I did change the theme from adria to danjon, but..
- changing theme unloaded all of the previously loaded applets

What about you?!

barry99705
07-06-2007, 05:24 AM
I had to break out the winblows box to update. Both my mac and linux machines failed to run the update. Also it looks like the cool vista theme doesn't work. I miss the smaller font size already. Oh yea, 1:24am AKST. :rolleyes:

blackax
07-06-2007, 05:24 AM
Digg it UP (http://digg.com/linux_unix/Nokia_N800_has_a_new_Firmware)

maxilogan
07-06-2007, 05:27 AM
I invite others to try to duplicate the browser rendering problems I was getting. Those were just weird.

Oh and you're welcome to try to slashdot, digg, Engadget/Gizmodo that post or this thread. Worth it to get the Skype/N800 exposure out there.

Still not checked browser problems (since I am at work, as told), only noticed that Adria messed up the side scrollbar.

I have problems installing my old apps, though, as I explained in another thread, and I too i noticed that the thumboard switcher appears to be less sensitive

Rocketman
07-06-2007, 05:31 AM
I am really disappointed that there is no A2DP support or support yet for PAN bluetooth connections. 3G devices that offer up DUN are getting increasingly rare. While Flash 9 is a nice addition (I could care less about mobile Youtube, I use my N800 for serious stuff), Opera seems even flakier then ever.

maxilogan
07-06-2007, 05:36 AM
Still not checked browser problems (since I am at work, as told), only noticed that Adria messed up the side scrollbar.

Well, ok, did not get the problem you were talking about.

Same problem here, then.

johsua
07-06-2007, 05:37 AM
I agree. Skype is great thing and thumb sensitivity seems a bit better as well. Those are nice things. OTOH, I don't see why that wasn't just an installable application.

It is - when I go to open skype it actually opens the application manager to download it. I am not online (with the n800), so I don't have Skype yet. Unless something is really screwed up on my install...

jortiz
07-06-2007, 05:38 AM
can anyone say if there's bluetooth pan or a2dp?

blackax
07-06-2007, 05:49 AM
No sadly there is not :-(

Rocketman
07-06-2007, 05:51 AM
Oh, the new flash seems pretty unstable. Several of my bookmarked sites now cause OPera to exit after partially loading the page and spits out the error message "Internal error. Application 'Web' closed."

If I disable the flash plugin, I am able to browse the affected sites just fine. For an example, goto www.escapepod.org
Wait for the page to load and then try scrolling down the page and/or going in and out of fullscreen.

Can anyone else confirm this behavior?

jortiz
07-06-2007, 05:52 AM
havent updated yet, but still no pan or a2dp? on a multimedia tool that advertises blutooth connectivity...very sad indeed, sad!

jnash
07-06-2007, 06:20 AM
when i click on skype, it goes to application manager starts downloading skype-ui and then fails????? any ideas!!

chilko
07-06-2007, 06:30 AM
anyone having problems installing brushed theme with the new firmware?

jnash
07-06-2007, 06:31 AM
i cant get skype to download, i click on the skype link, it sends me to app manager to download, and then fails 10 seconds later!!!! any ideas

chilko
07-06-2007, 06:31 AM
when i click on skype, it goes to application manager starts downloading skype-ui and then fails????? any ideas!!

try again. it happened to me, but after a few tries it downloaded the application

TabulaRasa
07-06-2007, 06:31 AM
It seems like there's no way to do videocalls with PCs now? :(

mantas
07-06-2007, 06:34 AM
Starting to reinstall my old apps and:
- cannot refresh the list since there are errors with some repos
- cannot install Python 2.5 runtime
- screwed my opera side srcrollbar until I did change the theme from adria to danjon, but..
- changing theme unloaded all of the previously loaded applets

What about you?!

Maemo repository
Web address http://repository.maemo.org/
Distribution bora
Components free non-free extras
Applications FIXME ______^^^^______
remove this (extras) if you have added maemo repository

SeRi@lDiE
07-06-2007, 06:38 AM
downloading right now...

I just created a rdiff-script for full back up for those who are interested let me know ill post it.
I will flash mine at work :D

Ic there is a lot of pre install tools not bad :)

Jupex
07-06-2007, 06:41 AM
What I did was download the .bin file to my desktop and update. Ofcourse I took a backup first. Nokia updated pretty fast, and booted. Then it told me that it had found an back up and asked if it could be used. I said yeah and it booted after restore.

Ok, now I get bunch of errors when updating software list. The log says it can't connect to nokia repository. Then nothing. What gives.

jnash
07-06-2007, 06:44 AM
im still not getting skype to download, its really winding me up now!!!!!!!

anidel
07-06-2007, 06:46 AM
all i know is, skype is really well done, and that's the single most important tool for me.

Actually I do have a complaint.
Maybe it's me... but..when you are in between a call.. how to text chat with others ?!?!?
I see the notice people are writing me, but I can't see any means to switch to the text window to reply to them.

BTW: no video support for Skype. Yet. (I hope).

Frankowitz
07-06-2007, 06:46 AM
Screen is more responsive. Skype is there ;)

- Browser is crashing on some flash sites
- no addon theme is installable anymore
- canola can't install
- statusbar monitor doesn't work
- statusbar clock doesn't work
- white themebackground error still there

O dear... I hope the themes work soon, I really hate the default ones.

Mahaloha
07-06-2007, 06:47 AM
I just installed the new firmware with success and I'm loving it. Screen is very responsive and I really like Skype and Flash 9 support.

TabulaRasa
07-06-2007, 06:50 AM
Is there a way to make the thumboard activate? While Skype is nice, I need to be able to type emails on this thing without a stylus. I got the thumboard to pop up only once. I am trying to press as "thumby" as possible, but i still get the stylus keyboard.

geneven
07-06-2007, 06:55 AM
Youtube seems markedly better. Before, I couldn't get to much of my cable company's site, roadrunner, because I got a message saying I needed Flash 9. Now there's no warning, Opera just crashes.

So far my impression is a small improvement, but not much. It leaves me in a cranky state of mind.

RobMtl007
07-06-2007, 06:56 AM
Greetings:


I had backup my data on a card, but now when I try to restore it does not see the file.

Also I'm trying to download Skype it keeps blocking.

So everyone get off the servers of Skype.(just Kidding)

It will be a great task to reinstall all my programs back on my N800.

Regards Robert

arjaan
07-06-2007, 06:59 AM
Is there a way to make the thumboard activate? ... I am trying to press as "thumby" as possible, but i still get the stylus keyboard.

thoughtfix mentioned that you can set the sensitivity of the touch screen in the control panel. That should solve your problem.

chilko
07-06-2007, 06:59 AM
Screen is more responsive. Skype is there ;)

- Browser is crashing on some flash sites
- no addon theme is installable anymore
- canola can't install
- statusbar monitor doesn't work
- statusbar clock doesn't work
- white themebackground error still there

O dear... I hope the themes work soon, I really hate the default ones.

canola installed fine with me

Frankowitz
07-06-2007, 07:01 AM
canola installed fine with me

I get a "Canola cannot install" error.
Maybe I installed something that the Canola install doesn't like. Maybe Python, I'll check.

geneven
07-06-2007, 07:03 AM
Canola worked fine for me too.

luketoh
07-06-2007, 07:10 AM
Press the centre D pad button to activate the thumb board once the virtual keyboard shows up.

As for me, I don't seem to have the Orb login problem mentioned. The login form shows up, but when the virtual kb pops up, the flags (for different languages overlaps some of the text fields).

Opera crashed once on me.

Is it me or does the bluetooth icon at the top bar disappears again after a reboot? I hope the old problem isn't coming back!

maxilogan
07-06-2007, 07:14 AM
when i click on skype, it goes to application manager starts downloading skype-ui and then fails????? any ideas!!

Same for me. Just open the App manager, then choose to install skype-ui and there you go!

maxilogan
07-06-2007, 07:17 AM
Ok, now I get bunch of errors when updating software list. The log says it can't connect to nokia repository. Then nothing. What gives.

had the same problem, and also I cannot install python runtime 2.5 :mad:

HuangShan
07-06-2007, 07:23 AM
Did NOKIA improve the OnScreenKeyboard ?
I am missing CTRL, ALT modifiers on mine.

Anybody tried the fanoush boot-menu-initfs (http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#initfs) with the new OS ?

Thank you.

torx
07-06-2007, 07:24 AM
Wooooooooooooooo! You Know I Have No Fcuking Idea What Has Improved In The New Firmware, But Whatever.


Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooo.

geneven
07-06-2007, 07:30 AM
I have two clocks on my status bar, so they seem to be working :)

CliffOn
07-06-2007, 07:35 AM
actually I'm real disappointed, no BT hi fi audio or support for a BT earpiece which would have enabled skype to have marginal value, but, I ain't walking around with the worthless headset that's wired that nokia provided.
youtube, who cares? it's nice if yer bored I guess.
a REAL open SIP app wold have been useful.
I don't see anything with this update.

jnash
07-06-2007, 07:35 AM
is there anywhere else i can get skype from!

konttori
07-06-2007, 08:05 AM
Indeed, it's very odd that not even mono headsets are supported. I would have guessed tha nokia would have supported nokia BT headsets (mono ones) just to get skype work really well. Well, can't have it all. At least we god skype, which is a great thing!

Frankowitz
07-06-2007, 08:08 AM
I don't see anything with this update.

I do like the new responsive screen.

maxilogan
07-06-2007, 08:09 AM
Maemo repository
Web address http://repository.maemo.org/
Distribution bora
Components free non-free extras
Applications FIXME ______^^^^______
remove this (extras) if you have added maemo repository

Well, not removed but disable. Same story...

I exported the register which is something like this:

osso-application-installer 4.46, UI version 2
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://repository.maemo.org bora/extras Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_dists_bora_extras_binary-armel_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
W: GPG error: http://www.oakcourt.dyndns.org ./ Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 86E33E67AD9AE76A
W: GPG error: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com bora Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG CBFC2BECC6903E72 Nokia Internet Tablet Archive Automatic Signing Key <integration@maemo.org>
W: GPG error: http://maemo-hackers.org bora Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 5FD45CD3EA68E29D
W: GPG error: http://www.math.ucla.edu mistral Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY C93A68AF9BDF9274
W: GPG error: http://maemo-hackers.org mistral Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 5FD45CD3EA68E29D
W: GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org bora Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG CBFC2BECC6903E72 Nokia Internet Tablet Archive Automatic Signing Key <integration@maemo.org>
E: Failed to fetch http://marceloeduardo.com/apt/dists/mistral/games/binary-armel/Packages.gz Error reading from server. Remote end closed connection
E: Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/dists/mistral/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz Connection failed [IP: 213.144.186.201 80]

zerojay
07-06-2007, 08:11 AM
Er.. just use a regular pair of headphones with the microphone on the tablet?

Garage Battle
07-06-2007, 08:13 AM
google maps doesnt work right (no info in bubbles above red dots on map)

i got youtube to crash in the second video i opened

honestly youd think they would try the firmware out against popular sites for a while to make sure.

id rather the battery last half as long as it used to, only if it would speed the processor up or something.


sh*ts weak

Frankowitz
07-06-2007, 08:21 AM
I'm performing a reflash now because ncurses-lib library is damaged, the update won't work. Can't be uninstalled.

sigh

djasmith
07-06-2007, 08:25 AM
Indeed

I've yet to upgrade my N800 but from what I'm seeing there aint much there to warrant the time and effort to upgrade right now :(

Any means of overclocking the cpu on the N800 as Garage eluded to . . . sort of

Looks like with Nokia dropping their Invitation Messaging VOIP software we really have no way do perform video calls with desktops anymore. That saddens me as I was looking forward to keeping in touch with a little video chat with friends and family whilst out and about.

So nothing new except a poor flash 9 implementation and skype ? everything else the update brings is either a fix or the official use of some hack (SDHC)

Whats the power management like now ? Does it max the brightness and keep the display on when cabled up and dim when disconnected ? Are there options for that ?

This is all based on hearsay atm; I'm gonna find a window to upgrade sometime later today. Anyone had any luck booting this off an SD/MMC yet ?

Kinda bummed out considering . . .

Ta

Dave

SeRi@lDiE
07-06-2007, 08:34 AM
Did NOKIA improve the OnScreenKeyboard ?
I am missing CTRL, ALT modifiers on mine.

Anybody tried the fanoush boot-menu-initfs (http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#initfs) with the new OS ?

Thank you.

I would also like to know if the boot menu works.

Frankowitz
07-06-2007, 08:36 AM
Biggest letdown for me are the non-working themes. I really like the 10 and 12 point themes (for example Nuvo and XP themes). These default themes seem to be for the visually impaired.

Is it the Hildon Theme cacher that's causing the problem? Any ideas anyone?

SeRi@lDiE
07-06-2007, 08:38 AM
[Actually I do have a complaint.
Maybe it's me... but..when you are in between a call.. how to text chat with others ?!?!?
I see the notice people are writing me, but I can't see any means to switch to the text
window to reply to them.
BBTW: no video support for Skype. Yet. (I hope).
It was discuss various times... Video will not be available in this release.

sachin007
07-06-2007, 08:41 AM
so is it going to be released in the next release? I mean without the internet call invitation.... now we dont have any way to use the onboard camera. Except for taking photos!!!!!!

maxilogan
07-06-2007, 08:43 AM
Except for taking photos!!!!!!

Except for taking *crappy* photos :mad:

Frankowitz
07-06-2007, 08:44 AM
so is it going to be released in the next release? I mean without the internet call invitation.... now we dont have any way to use the onboard camera. Except for taking photos!!!!!!

rofl

Nice one Nokia...

amigokin
07-06-2007, 08:46 AM
so is it going to be released in the next release? I mean without the internet call invitation.... now we dont have any way to use the onboard camera. Except for taking photos!!!!!!

I can't believe it, trust me. Specially when they didn't make the H1 promise. If you miss the deadline at least deliver the product when its *REALLY* done. No webcam use and crappy flash9 support doesn't seems to be a finished release.

Besides, we both know that I'm training to be a cage fighter...

anidel
07-06-2007, 08:57 AM
[
It was discuss various times... Video will not be available in this release.

I knew. In fact mine was a confirmation that there is no video support in this release of Skype (as someone was still asking about) and I was hoping to find it in the next release.

Luna
07-06-2007, 09:03 AM
What is the meat of the browser plugin? Wondering if it is possible to yank it from the 800 and put it on the 770 :wink:

konttori
07-06-2007, 09:06 AM
I think it might be possible. Good point!

Frankowitz
07-06-2007, 09:10 AM
Besides, we both know that I'm training to be a cage fighter...

Using Skype whilst cagefighting might not be such a good idea...

Khertan
07-06-2007, 09:11 AM
I ve no problem with the theme plankton.

And python work on my device ...

rheve
07-06-2007, 09:16 AM
Skype, along with MSN/AIM is one of the things I hate on Internet those days.
Why should I register to a all those proprietary services?! I don't need to register to Yahoo or GMail to exchange emails with Yahoo or GMail accounts!
I will start a SIP client development/porting of my own. If anybody has good advices of an open source client....

benny1967
07-06-2007, 09:17 AM
Is it only me or is this firmware update a little disappointing overall? There was such a hype about it, people kept dropping hints there'd be great things ahead... And now? SDHC support, improved touch screen handling. Maybe a few bugfixes, probably some new bugs. No more video chats. 2 new/updated proprietary applications. I would have hoped there would be something really, really big in it, something that makes me want to switch from 770 to N800 for good.... :(

maxilogan
07-06-2007, 09:17 AM
I ve no problem with the theme plankton.

And python work on my device ...

Argh!!!!! :mad: :(

Did you by chance restored any backup? Thanks!

Mara
07-06-2007, 09:17 AM
Or even get it usable with Minimo? :)

Frankowitz
07-06-2007, 09:23 AM
Python works for me too, but I thought it stood in the way of Canola installing. I reflashed and installed Canola first. No problem. Strange.

@Benny: No it's not just you, I think the only good thing in this 'minor update' is a bug fix: the screen responsiveness seems to be good now.

O yeah, they included a chat client: Skype without video to me is just another chat client. It's a waste of good memoryspace, so no install for me.

Makes you wonder what some in-the-know Nokia employee from Texas was hyping about in his -o so funny- riddles...
A buggy Flash 9? Skype without video? Yippee-ki-yay, bud!

benny1967
07-06-2007, 09:28 AM
Skype, along with MSN/AIM is one of the things I hate on Internet those days.
Why should I register to a all those proprietary services?! I don't need to register to Yahoo or GMail to exchange emails with Yahoo or GMail accounts!
I will start a SIP client development/porting of my own. If anybody has good advices of an open source client....


Well said. I couldn't agree more. It's a shame we now have Skype on the 770/N800 while the long awaited SIP support is still not available natively. (Of course, there's SIP-support in Gizmo...)

I'd be more than happy if somebody who can do the coding would try to do something about it. OTOH, I'm not sure if porting an existing SIP-client would be The Right Thing(tm) to do: To be really useful, the client should integrate with the telepathy framework. Google for telepathy sofia and sip - there seems to be slow progress on this and it might be wiser to join these efforts than to port somthing like linphone etc.: These clients do their jobs well SIP-wise, but they have the same drawback Gizmo has: they dont integrate with the address book and the rest of the IM framework.

Seb Per
07-06-2007, 09:29 AM
Skype, along with MSN/AIM is one of the things I hate on Internet those days.
Why should I register to a all those proprietary services?! I don't need to register to Yahoo or GMail to exchange emails with Yahoo or GMail accounts!
I will start a SIP client development/porting of my own. If anybody has good advices of an open source client....

Bon courage!

Mara
07-06-2007, 09:29 AM
Is it only me or is this firmware update a little disappointing overall? There was such a hype about it, people kept dropping hints there'd be great things ahead... And now? SDHC support, improved touch screen handling. Maybe a few bugfixes, probably some new bugs. No more video chats. 2 new/updated proprietary applications. I would have hoped there would be something really, really big in it, something that makes me want to switch from 770 to N800 for good.... :(

My take is that the biggest feature is the Flash 9.

Talking about the video chat support, I never used/tried it before. What's my understanding is that it has not been removed... in fact it should have been improved! But to test that you need to make Gtalk call to another Gtalk user and after that you "should" be able to open the video. (I never used this feature... so someone who did please confirm this with this new firmware...) This is based on the fact that internal software testers were especially asked to test the video call feature of this new firmware... ;)

And the SDHC support, yes, it is there. While this is good I was slightly disappointed to notice that the transfer speed is about half of the speed that I had with old firmware and SDHC kernel patch. I assume in this firmware the bus clock speed is capped to 24MHz instead of 48MHz? Oh, and one more thing: The famous memory card corruption bug is claimed to be solved in this firmware... :D But we'll see...

pycage
07-06-2007, 09:33 AM
Nice idea. You should try it! :)

But my guess is that the plugin is optimized for the
N800's CPU (esp. soft float) and will thus not work
on the 770. But it's worth a try.

Seb Per
07-06-2007, 09:33 AM
Has some tried BT headphones + mike? Not necessarily stereo. I d like to know if I can say good bye to those cables

Seb Per
07-06-2007, 09:36 AM
"A lot of work has been done into increasing the battery life of the Nokia N800 Internet Tablet. Most of the improvements have been done around the wireless connection, resulting in remarkably longer online usages."

To me, probably the most important feature, especially if we start using the N800 for intensive telephony.
I guess we ll notice the difference after one day or so.

timsamoff
07-06-2007, 09:38 AM
Can't this update be done much more simply?


[sbox-SDK_X86: ~] apt-get update
...
[sbox-SDK_X86: ~] PAGER=less fakeroot apt-get dist-upgrade
...


Why is everyone reflashing?!

Read more: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/3.2/INSTALL.txt

Or, am I wrong?

Tim

TabulaRasa
07-06-2007, 09:38 AM
So far, pretty nice. I adjusted the screen sensitivity and it seems to work a bit differently now, but a slightly firm press will bring up the thumbboard reliably -- before it was too unpredictable (since the update).

Flash 9 supports webcams, so if there is a way to get it to see our nokia cams, we should be able to video conference using flash web apps (interoperable with all systems).

Reggie
07-06-2007, 09:39 AM
The long awaited upgrade has finally arrived. Nokia just announced the new Internet Tablet 2007 update v4.2007.26-8. Nokia N800 owners can now enjoy three new much anticipated features: Skype client support, Adobe Flash 9 browser plug-in, and 8GB SD memory card support. Battery life has also been improved on this update, as well as a better touchscreen sensitivity. Nokia however decided to end the beta version of the Call Invitation app by August of this year. Read more at Maemo.org. Download the new Firmware.Read the full article. (http://www.internettablettalk.com/2007/07/06/nokia-releases-skype-flash-9-8gb-sd-internet-tablet-2007-update/)

Mara
07-06-2007, 09:40 AM
"A lot of work has been done into increasing the battery life of the Nokia N800 Internet Tablet. Most of the improvements have been done around the wireless connection, resulting in remarkably longer online usages."

To me, probably the most important feature, especially if we start using the N800 for intensive telephony.
I guess we ll notice the difference after one day or so.

You're smart Seb Per... :D

Seb Per
07-06-2007, 09:42 AM
THat was Milhouse :
"My guess.. 4.2007.21-8"
Result 4.2007.26-8

Not bad, Milhouse, not bad at all.

Texrat
07-06-2007, 09:44 AM
Is it only me or is this firmware update a little disappointing overall? There was such a hype about it, people kept dropping hints there'd be great things ahead... And now? SDHC support, improved touch screen handling. Maybe a few bugfixes, probably some new bugs. No more video chats. 2 new/updated proprietary applications. I would have hoped there would be something really, really big in it, something that makes me want to switch from 770 to N800 for good.... :(

If you recall, the hints I dropped were about features the typical user wouldn't notice...

EDIT: to avoid eliciting more juvenile responses from another malcontent, the improvements I alluded to are in areas that developers will have more in interest in. I don't have specifics and never claimed to-- I am just aware that there were general changes that will suit software developers.

It's unfortunate that some are let down by the update. I did expect that, and said so. But I never said this was the end-all, be-all for the N800. There will be more updates for the device. Think of this one as a sort of... bridge to the tablet's future.

anidel
07-06-2007, 09:44 AM
Many are complaining about the removal of the Nokia Internet Call feature from the latest update.

What I read from the maemo.org news page is:

"
Nokia Internet Call Invitation (BETA) application

Nokia Internet Call Invitation (BETA) trial period has ended. The invitation mechanism has been removed and service will not be accessible after 2007-08-31.
"

And that is a good news.
The "trial" is over. So it'll be soon out of beta and we'll be able to use it again after the summer.

I think they're ironing it out.

Seb Per
07-06-2007, 09:44 AM
You're smart Seb Per... :D

No I m dumb.
I ve been fighting with the settings of my N800 since purchase to extend power. I m curious to see - and measure- the improvement.

With the next updates it s going to be even more crucial to have excellent power management. unless Nokia ships new batteries.

TabulaRasa
07-06-2007, 09:46 AM
When I run Gtalk and open the webcam, the camera shows up within Gtalk. Was it always so? And if so, is there a version of Gtalk on PC that allows webcams? (i'm going to a trade show and was kind of hoping to be able to place some video calls from the floor of the show).

YoDude
07-06-2007, 09:47 AM
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andras
07-06-2007, 09:48 AM
If you recall, the hints I dropped were about features the typical user wouldn't notice...

So now that it's out, and with so many first impressions calling it a mediocre update at best, can you elaborate on what the features are that you were hinting at?

benny1967
07-06-2007, 09:48 AM
If you recall, the hints I dropped were about features the typical user wouldn't notice...

you said this once, right. others didnt.

still, i dont consider myself a typical user. if i read the changelog, it seems what's new is very straighforward, aimed at the 'typical' end user. - well, maybe this is why i'm not impressed at all. ;)

Frankowitz
07-06-2007, 09:50 AM
Skype, along with MSN/AIM is one of the things I hate on Internet those days.
Why should I register to a all those proprietary services?! I don't need to register to Yahoo or GMail to exchange emails with Yahoo or GMail accounts!

Couldn't agree more.

torx
07-06-2007, 09:51 AM
seems like they increased screen sensitivity, at the expense of the thumbpress.

you can roll your finger a little when you press to make it recognise the thumbpress better.

Texrat
07-06-2007, 09:51 AM
So now that it's out, and with so many first impressions calling it a mediocre update at best, can you elaborate on what the features are that you were hinting at?

I edited my previous post to say all that I'm able at this time.

And to Benny: I actually included the "non typical user" caveat more than once.

Bernard
07-06-2007, 09:52 AM
I am really disappointed that there is no A2DP support or support yet for PAN bluetooth connections. 3G devices that offer up DUN are getting increasingly rare. While Flash 9 is a nice addition (I could care less about mobile Youtube, I use my N800 for serious stuff), Opera seems even flakier then ever.


That is just not true. ALL nokia phones with bluetooth that I have ever tried support DUN (including the newer phones like E60 and N95 ), I think it is just Windows mobile phones with the problem.

Seb Per
07-06-2007, 09:55 AM
Read the full article. (http://www.internettablettalk.com/2007/07/06/nokia-releases-skype-flash-9-8gb-sd-internet-tablet-2007-update/)
Reggie

Would it be possible to keep a special location to this extraordinary funny thread (new firmware out - joke only) all day long sustained by the exhausted N800 fans, end users and developers? something like a "best of"?

Mara
07-06-2007, 09:56 AM
Have anyone tried to play .asf files yet? ;)

flareup
07-06-2007, 10:03 AM
seems a bit early to be talking about subsequent updates as seb did re battery life!

Texrat, I don't understand why, now the thing is finally avaialble, you can't speak about the changes that are there that you know of? what restraints are there now? future hardware releases?

I for one who love to know, because at the moment it doesn't live up to the hype (even if it was only on this board). And the loss of vid calls via nokia internet call seems a real shame with no replacement, as does the lack of bluetooth headsets.

Seb Per
07-06-2007, 10:07 AM
seems a bit early to be talking about subsequent updates as seb did re battery life!



Yes VERY early, I agree. But if Nokia improves so early, we can expect good achivement when the new updates are here. It s a good sign.

Khertan
07-06-2007, 10:08 AM
For informations i ve restored a backup made 10 minutes before to flash and reinstall python

pycage
07-06-2007, 10:10 AM
Have anyone tried to play .asf files yet? ;)

No, but Ogg Vorbis, and it still doesn't work! :mad:
I don't care about .asf much. :)

Texrat
07-06-2007, 10:10 AM
seems a bit early to be talking about subsequent updates as seb did re battery life!

Texrat, I don't understand why, now the thing is finally avaialble, you can't speak about the changes that are there that you know of? what restraints are there now? future hardware releases?

I for one who love to know, because at the moment it doesn't live up to the hype (even if it was only on this board). And the loss of vid calls via nokia internet call seems a real shame with no replacement, as does the lack of bluetooth headsets.

Future software releases are the restraint. Sorry.

I'm thinking from this point on I just won't say anything. Overall that seems best.

I just hope that developers do find something of benefit, and that I was not misinformed...

Garage Battle
07-06-2007, 10:23 AM
The "killer app" this thing is supposed to have is internet browsing, and sadly, it sucks at it.

IMHO it doesnt seem like it makes use of virtual ram or good buffering technology. I set the flash buffer to unlimited, and as its playing the video it says its buffering 1kb.

What the devs need to do is simple:

1. start with MAJOR important sites, like the entire google set (maps, mail, etc) and make everything work perfect for that.

2. goto heavy read/traffic sites like Engadget, Digg, etc and make sure the browser can view those perfectly.

3. allow a feedback page where users can give Nokia links to pages that dont load right, in order to help Nokia sort problems.

4. try and work with Google/Yahoo to develop apps like GMAIL and GOOGLEMAPS so instead of just using the browser, we can load them as an application. That way they work perfect.

5. would performance benefit from a larger virtual page file?

6. FOR CHRISTS SAKE: when i type in USER@HOTMAIL.COM why does the damn thing NEVER remember the "hotmail.com". it turns the dictionary off after the "@" sign.

Toontje
07-06-2007, 10:23 AM
There will be more updates for the device.

Tomorrow again?? :) :)

Nanocore
07-06-2007, 10:25 AM
My take is that the biggest feature is the Flash 9.

...

And the SDHC support, yes, it is there. While this is good I was slightly disappointed to notice that the transfer speed is about half of the speed that I had with old firmware and SDHC kernel patch. I assume in this firmware the bus clock speed is capped to 24MHz instead of 48MHz? Oh, and one more thing: The famous memory card corruption bug is claimed to be solved in this firmware... :D But we'll see...

Would this transfer speed have an impact on music/videos played from these cards? I have two 8 gig cards one for video and the other for songs, and if the slow down has an impact on playback I certainly won't upgrade.

Rtalian
07-06-2007, 10:25 AM
No, but Ogg Vorbis, and it still doesn't work! :mad:
I don't care about .asf much. :)
Ogg Vorbis support is still not built-in???? I just don't get this. I realize that it's not used anywhere near as much as MP3 and AAC, but Ogg is FREE as in FREE (MP3 and AAC are NOT)...pretty much what GNU/Linux stands for...it's not like the code isn't out there. It's a standard thing for a GNU/Linux box to include Ogg Vorbis support. Any GNU/Linux device that supports media should be able to use Ogg Vorbis out of the box. I know I'm in the minority, but nearly all of my audio files are in this format, and it's ridiculous not to be able to use them on the N800.

Frankowitz
07-06-2007, 10:27 AM
"I'm thinking from this point on I just won't say anything. Overall that seems best."

Agreed.

Mara
07-06-2007, 10:35 AM
Would this transfer speed have an impact on music/videos played from these cards? I have two 8 gig cards one for video and the other for songs, and if the slow down has an impact on playback I certainly won't upgrade.

I did not notice any effect with media player. I only noticed it when copying files between the N800 and PC.

Just wondering if the SDHC kernel patch can be applied for this OS version too... I'd think that it works but... any brave souls there to try out? :eek:

dbec10
07-06-2007, 10:36 AM
I just don't get it. Why does Nokia insist on releasing things that are not ready to be released? Is there someone working at Nokia that keeps trying to rush things out the door?

Was this supposed to kill the iPhone hype?

Sorry but you guys (Nokia) missed it. Big time.

I'd rather have waited another two months if the things in the upgrade worked properly.

Khertan
07-06-2007, 10:44 AM
WARNING ....

I ve problem with this new firmware update, instead of many people i can install python ...

But often the digitizer didn't respond and i need to reboot. And specially after a calibration ......

dbec10
07-06-2007, 10:44 AM
Best of luck to all developers. Do what you can. If this device is going to be sucessful. It may be because of your very hard work.

DCr33P
07-06-2007, 10:45 AM
The ONE thing I don't get is why Flash videos (youtube) are getting slower with every new firmware update??? This release has Flash9 support. Great, BUT youtube is working slower than in the last firmware!:(

gammer
07-06-2007, 10:52 AM
My n800 is at a nokia repair center (I feel naked somehow :confused: ). My first test after upgrading would be usb host mode. Does anybody know how it would go??

richken
07-06-2007, 10:52 AM
I too am dissapointed by no A2DP in the latest update. It was what I most wanted. But being a non-techy, I have a question. What is involved technically in adding A2DP? Is it even possible without a hardware upgrade? Here's hoping that it is and it comes soon!

elpaso
07-06-2007, 10:54 AM
The ONE thing I don't get is why Flash videos (youtube) are getting slower with every new firmware update??? This release has Flash9 support. Great, BUT youtube is working slower than in the last firmware!:(

Here youtube works *much* better than with previous firmware...

maxilogan
07-06-2007, 10:56 AM
Here youtube works *much* better than with previous firmware...

Yes, me too, as already mentioned by Thoughtfix, once the video has finished to download thing even improve (but then... what's the advantage over uktube which also lets yo see fullscreen? :rolleyes: )

sherifnix
07-06-2007, 10:56 AM
The ONE thing I don't get is why Flash videos (youtube) are getting slower with every new firmware update??? This release has Flash9 support. Great, BUT youtube is working slower than in the last firmware!:(

Actually its quite odd. When YouTube is downloading, it is chunky. But as soon as its done downloading, its about twice as fast as it used to be.

I feel the device is a little snappier too. Once I get home I'll give it a better run down, but I am pretty happy with this update. .ASF support allows you to stream from sites that use Windows Media, thats a good thing!

I'm still going to get an iPhone when I can actually find one, but the N800 is worth keeping around now IMO... Built in SDHC support is what I was waiting for, I didn't feel like using a different kernel.

Now all we need is an update to Opera 9 with some fancier scaling, and a GOOD email client :)

Alvin
07-06-2007, 11:04 AM
... and one more thing: The famous memory card corruption bug is claimed to be solved in this firmware... :D But we'll see...

I hope so.... I saw it was "fixed" in bugzilla. Not sure I want to test it though! lost too many cards already :(

sondjata
07-06-2007, 11:04 AM
Looks like GIZMO IM is broken by this update. See buddies in list but not their online status.

amigokin
07-06-2007, 11:12 AM
Websites Render sucks! Now the browser seems broken or something. No text field in many sites, the scroll bar is screwed and I a see a lot of "echos" in the bottom of the screen.

This update WAS NOT ready to release :mad:

luketoh
07-06-2007, 11:15 AM
Which websites are not rendering properly? Do provide a few examples so that we can test and verify too. Thanks!

RobMtl007
07-06-2007, 11:18 AM
Greetings:


Here try and see if this website will load:

https://garage.maemo.org/

I'm having all kinds of problem withis one.


I think it will take a couple of days before the dusts settles on the new firmware and Nokia straightens out all the problems.

But at least Skype is working.

Regards Robert

SkwrHdz
07-06-2007, 11:23 AM
I too am dissapointed by no A2DP in the latest update. It was what I most wanted. But being a non-techy, I have a question. What is involved technically in adding A2DP? Is it even possible without a hardware upgrade? Here's hoping that it is and it comes soon!
.
I definitley am NOT a techy!

I have a Palm T3 which does NOT support A2DP but a 3rd party software company recently released a $20 program that now adds A2DP to the Palm T3, software only, no hardware mods!

If it can be done on a very old Palm then perhaps there's hope for a new n800?
.

amigokin
07-06-2007, 11:23 AM
Which websites are not rendering properly? Do provide a few examples so that we can test and verify too. Thanks!

You want an example? Go to Tableeter and try to answer the survey about the new changes in the firmware update under the support tab. IRONIC!

Is it me alone that the browser scroll bar does not show up correctly?!?!?

benny1967
07-06-2007, 11:33 AM
If you recall, the hints I dropped were about features the typical user wouldn't notice...

EDIT: to avoid eliciting more juvenile responses from another malcontent, the improvements I alluded to are in areas that developers will have more in interest in. I don't have specifics and never claimed to-- I am just aware that there were general changes that will suit software developers.

It's unfortunate that some are let down by the update. I did expect that, and said so. But I never said this was the end-all, be-all for the N800. There will be more updates for the device. Think of this one as a sort of... bridge to the tablet's future.


you wrote this in respnse to one of my posts, therefore:

i wasnt referring to you when i wrote it. dont know what makes you think so even though i stated otherwise meanwhile. i always appreciated you as a source of high-quality information and, even more, a lot of fun. i feel sorry if it was my posting that contributed to how you feel although it referred to threads you didnt even participate in.

Texrat
07-06-2007, 11:43 AM
That wasn't in reference to you benny, it was a general post.

EDIT: I see where the confusion comes from, benny. I didn't mean to imply you were the malcontent. I sincerely apologize for that! He knows who he is, and all anyone has to do is check the unsolicited smartass comments to figure it out.

Again, my utmost apologies.

sherifnix
07-06-2007, 11:52 AM
I wish all the stereo headsets didnt suck. So for now I don't mind having no A2DP support.

I hope the next firmware focuses on Opera 9 and Flash 9. Just make them perfect... Ok and maybe that email client ;)

mwiktowy
07-06-2007, 11:54 AM
Can't this update be done much more simply?



Why is everyone reflashing?!

Read more: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/3.2/INSTALL.txt

Or, am I wrong?

Tim

I believe that you are wrong ... for now. That is for updating the Maemo SDK environment within scratchbox. If you do this on your tablet, things will likely mysteriously break on you. There is some murmurings that this sort of update will be supported in the future but maybe the future will be clearer on the 17 July with Ari's keynote at the GNOME devs conference.

sondjata
07-06-2007, 11:54 AM
Looks like the latest GPE summary does not work with this update. I had to use the .60 version.

fnordianslip
07-06-2007, 11:56 AM
Is it me alone that the browser scroll bar does not show up correctly?!?!?

It's not just you. The scrollbars don't show up at all in Opera for me, but some other parts of the frame-buffer (or whatever) appear in a buggy way.

amigokin
07-06-2007, 11:58 AM
It's not just you. The scrollbars don't show up at all in Opera for me, but some other parts of the frame-buffer (or whatever) appear in a buggy way.

It is getting worst. The search field in Youtube for instance is missing. Please people I *REALLY* need to know: It's just me???

Regards!

Milhouse
07-06-2007, 12:03 PM
THat was Milhouse :
"My guess.. 4.2007.21-8"
Result 4.2007.26-8

Not bad, Milhouse, not bad at all.

Which suggests this firmware was built only last week, quite unlike previous firmwares which were built several weeks prior to release. Perhaps there was a critical bug found which necessitated another build, but I'm just guessing.

So far I'm a little underwhelmed with the release, and disappointed to see quite a number of trivial bugs that have been raised in Bugzilla not fixed in this release.

Good to see screen sensitivity is improved, but is it just me as I'm losing a lot of clicks. It's hard to reproduce on demand, but it's persistent - often when I click a button nothing registers.

DCr33P
07-06-2007, 12:11 PM
I lost the youtube text-box, too. Now it's completelly grey. YOu can still use it, but it's not how its meant to be.

Brennall
07-06-2007, 12:13 PM
Over on thoughtfix's Tabletblog the following comment was posted ...

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Anonymous said...
Had the problem with scrollbars and input fields too. Try rebooting the device then changing to any other theme, then change back again and hey presto normal service should be resumed.
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Havent had the chance to download the update myself so couldn't test but I thought this might be useful.

amigokin
07-06-2007, 12:18 PM
Over on thoughtfix's Tabletblog the following comment was posted ...

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Anonymous said...
Had the problem with scrollbars and input fields too. Try rebooting the device then changing to any other theme, then change back again and hey presto normal service should be resumed.
-------------------------------------

Havent had the chance to download the update myself so couldn't test but I thought this might be useful.

It actually works! THANKS! :D

The odd thing is that you have to change the theme to solve the issue. Restart the device without changing it doesnt' work.

Bad, bad update...

Texrat
07-06-2007, 12:24 PM
We really need to file bugs where appropriate.

zerojay
07-06-2007, 12:29 PM
It actually works! THANKS! :D

The odd thing is that you have to change the theme to solve the issue. Restart the device without changing it doesnt' work.

Bad, bad update...

Doesn't happen unless you are restoring a backup, I bet. It probably still has the older theme cached which is why I think it goes away after switching themes.

Texrat
07-06-2007, 12:31 PM
Nice detective work, zero. Can we count on you to file the bug? :D

amigokin
07-06-2007, 12:31 PM
Doesn't happen unless you are restoring a backup, I bet. It probably still has the older theme cached which is why I think it goes away after switching themes.

Yep, I was thinking the same thing. Specially because I was using a non pre-installed theme.

Sho
07-06-2007, 12:52 PM
My biggest problem so far is that changing the home page in the browser prefs doesn't catch on, i.e. it keeps loading that local N800 splash document as home page. Across restarts, too. Anyone else seeing this?

Mysticode
07-06-2007, 12:52 PM
You want an example? Go to Tableeter and try to answer the survey about the new changes in the firmware update under the support tab. IRONIC!

Is it me alone that the browser scroll bar does not show up correctly?!?!?

The feedback displayed just fine for me and I have no problems with the scrollbars. Have you restarted since installing the update?

EDIT: And I did restore from a backup after updating - although I was just using the standard theme before so perhaps the problem results from using one of the other themes.

grist
07-06-2007, 01:08 PM
Nokia's U.S. web site is not displaying the latest firmware update.
Will owners of n800 devices purchased in the U.S. encounter compatibility issues if they install the firmware that's posted on the European site?

zerojay
07-06-2007, 01:15 PM
Nice detective work, zero. Can we count on you to file the bug? :D

I've done six years of professional QA (including 2 with a cell phone gaming company on several different platforms, including Nokia). Bugzilla is burned into my retinas and I'm currently on vacation... so... yeah, maybe. ;)

zerojay
07-06-2007, 01:19 PM
Can those of you that have not fixed the issue yet please send me some screenshots of the various graphical bugs found after installation of the new firmware? (I'll grab the Youtube one from ThoughtFix's blog...)

(My tablet's not updated yet - don't have the necessary cable with me!)

luketoh
07-06-2007, 01:24 PM
Do also take note that if you flash the latest kernel and have problems, to indicate whether you restored a backup of your settings or you are running from scratch (without restoring any backups).

I noticed that those having some issues had restored from backups.

zerojay
07-06-2007, 01:42 PM
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1625

Did I miss anything? Anything needs to be further clarified?

Texrat
07-06-2007, 01:46 PM
Nice work. You are a valuable member of the community that's for sure!

luketoh
07-06-2007, 01:48 PM
For the textbox issues, apparantly switching the theme to something else and switching back, then rebooting will solve the problem.

Again, this was seen on users who restored backups.

zerojay
07-06-2007, 01:49 PM
Nice work. You are a valuable member of the community that's for sure!

Just be glad that you don't own a Nokia 3650/7650 which have major memory leaks every time you try using GetResourceAsStream, basically forcing you to reboot the phone once every ten minutes of using games or anything Java based. ;)

Wolfman-K
07-06-2007, 01:53 PM
ok just read the entire thread, updated my machine and here are my thoughts.

It really is a decent update. It's not all I was hoping for, but its steps in the right direction. And if like Texrat has said it helps developers then we are all in for some good stuff in the near future. I'm optimistic.

I'd rather have frequent less important updates than have to wait a year or more at a time for huge ones. If this device is going to catch on, the users need to know there are updates to be had, and stuf is being worked on.

Hopefully this is the first in a series of updates for this great lil device. :D

/me goes back to hacking on his N800

Texrat
07-06-2007, 01:54 PM
Just be glad that you don't own a Nokia 3650/7650 which have major memory leaks every time you try using GetResourceAsStream, basically forcing you to reboot the phone once every ten minutes of using games or anything Java based. ;)

I have an N75 that randomly decides not to let me answer calls on occasion, or even call out unless I restart the phone. I seem to be the only one, too! *sigh* With our factory shut down, I don't know who to take it to either.

Anyway, very well written bug report.

Mark S
07-06-2007, 02:00 PM
Where is that wacky June 11th guy?

Maybe he can predict when the next update will come.

Mara
07-06-2007, 02:06 PM
Where is that wacky June 11th guy?

Maybe he can predict when the next update will come.

Sssshhhh!!! :eek:

Seb Per
07-06-2007, 02:07 PM
Where is that wacky June 11th guy?

Maybe he can predict when the next update will come.

Not a chance. You d better ask from the Man from the XXVth Century. The One who went beyond the Great Crash.

Seb Per
07-06-2007, 02:08 PM
Sssshhhh!!! :eek:

yes, please don t raise the dead

docnesh
07-06-2007, 02:27 PM
I persued this thread a bit.... and have to say, I installed the update this morning and am frankly very pleased with it.... the screen is more responsive, the device feels snappier and for the most part flash9 does work... at least its better than it used to be before... skype is there, kinda sad that there is no video support, and as for video calls, I made my first one ever today after the update... I find it hard to beleive there will not be ANY out of the box use for the included camera, I expect to hear something before the end of that beta period....

I also think texrat has gotten a bit of a raw deal... I don't think he really misrepresented anything... I think if you were expecting specific coroberation of some feature you wanted... ie headset support, there is no reason to take out our disappointment on any person in particular...

I loved using my n800 before this update, and I still love using it... I hope there will be more updates in the future before they refresh the hardware.

Anyway, thats my $0.02

Mara
07-06-2007, 02:39 PM
Same here... I haven't found anything yet that would make me go back to old firmware... The added features are very welcome.

Garage Battle
07-06-2007, 02:39 PM
i personally cant wait for the Asus eee pc 701 to come out.

thoughtfix
07-06-2007, 02:48 PM
Digg frontpage! Yay! (http://digg.com/linux_unix/Nokia_N800_has_a_new_Firmware)
Hope this brings in more users here.

jschon
07-06-2007, 02:50 PM
Just so I'm clear.To update I just go to the Nokia N800 site and download new software. Do I need to back up everything already downloaded or just add the new stuff.Anyway a simple explanation would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Jerry

RogerS
07-06-2007, 02:50 PM
is there a version of Gtalk on PC that allows webcams?If you use the Festoon plugin, you should be able to do video with GoogleTalk on a PC.

SeRi@lDiE
07-06-2007, 03:02 PM
Festoon is no longer supported... I try that months ago and is nothing but problems... if you go to there forum is a forum for spammers only...

docnesh
07-06-2007, 03:07 PM
does anyone know when the asus eee is supposed to come out? any pointers to some info on specs / pictures etc?

anidel
07-06-2007, 03:07 PM
Does anyone have issues with Canola?
I installed it, but it gives "Error" each time I try to play something...either video or audio.

thoughtfix
07-06-2007, 03:12 PM
Does anyone have issues with Canola?
I installed it, but it gives "Error" each time I try to play something...either video or audio.

Worked out of the box for me.
I think with every piece of software, we should test it before and after restoring from backup and the ones that give issues should be added to the bug list. In the bug, include all you restored.

aleksandyr
07-06-2007, 03:18 PM
does anyone know when the asus eee is supposed to come out? any pointers to some info on specs / pictures etc?

Why is this here?

---

Several hours in to the new beta: nothing to add except that I haven't been having any random problems --- then again, I didn't bother with a backup/restore.

andrewlogan
07-06-2007, 03:29 PM
Can you do me a favor and try Musicovery (www.musicovery.com)?

Thanks,

Ton.

It works great although the animation runs a bit slow. Also, the device appears to boot MUCH faster than previously. Someone should time this.

anidel
07-06-2007, 03:40 PM
Worked out of the box for me.
I think with every piece of software, we should test it before and after restoring from backup and the ones that give issues should be added to the bug list. In the bug, include all you restored.

i did not backupped or restored anything. weirD it does not work for me.
See This capitalized letters? anotHer bug (but it was present even before).
The Keyboard chooses, alone, to go capital once in a while.


EDIT: it works now. no iDea what happened

sondjata
07-06-2007, 03:50 PM
Does anyone have issues with Canola?
I installed it, but it gives "Error" each time I try to play something...either video or audio.


Yes, but it started before the update with the Canola Config program maxing out the CPU and killing the battery.

sondjata
07-06-2007, 03:51 PM
as for video calls, I made my first one ever today after the update...


Using what software?

jhford
07-06-2007, 04:07 PM
Issues:
Application Catalog not being read & won't refresh
All themes I try to install throw an incompatible error
xterm won't install
haven't tried gainrootl

DCr33P
07-06-2007, 04:29 PM
Ah this is weird! I just noticed that the screen doesn't turn off anymore! It stays on all the time. Does anyone have the same problem??? I played with the "display" options in the control panel but nothing happened...

Clay
07-06-2007, 04:36 PM
Anyone have any issues with cifs? I didn't get any complaints from insmod, but maybe the old 800 cifs.ko doesn't work with the new kernel?

RobMtl007
07-06-2007, 04:37 PM
Greetings:

issues:
- Opera hangs at websites with HTTPS
- Backup my files with old firmware on SD card, with new firmware
application manager does not see the backup file.
- maybe just a bad connection with Skype, sound was very poor.

Regards Robert

johsua
07-06-2007, 04:43 PM
i did not backupped or restored anything. weirD it does not work for me.
See This capitalized letters? anotHer bug (but it was present even before).
The Keyboard chooses, alone, to go capital once in a while.


EDIT: it works now. no iDea what happened

When you type on the virtual keyboard if you hold the key for a moment then pull up it will capitalize, or do whatever shift - key does. Perhaps that is your problem???

the update is great IMO. Exactly what an update should be - again - IMO. Being overseas it is really nice to have Skype on the N800 now. Gizmo was fine, but costs more, and often the sound quality was bad. I hope to have a better experience with Skype! Googletalk always worked just fine - but only comp to comp. Gtalk2voip - haven't used that one in a while. The developer is really nice though!

Flash 9 is welcome, but UKtube plays utube vids much better than they appear on youtube - and only slightly more of a hassle.

I'll stop rambling now.

Alvin
07-06-2007, 06:31 PM
The only problem I have had is not being able to install Pidgin :(

mobiledivide
07-06-2007, 06:51 PM
Ok I did the install and have played with it for a bit

- The touchscreen improvements are great, this really works much better now.
- The youtube support is marginally better once the entire screen loads its smoother
- Google Reader works better but is still unusably slow.
- Skype works great! The sound quality is good, did a chat and it worked well.
- I did a complete flash meaning no restore from backup, I therefore haven't had any issues apart from the re-direct issue.

Anyway to conclude, the best way to update may be to forget about installing a backup and just start from scratch. The best part of this update is the touchscreen sensitivity settings and skype. I wish a new opera version could come out with better Google reader support but oh well :)

zerojay
07-06-2007, 07:40 PM
I've flashed, restored from backup and am not having https or redirect problems whatsoever. Also did not have custom themes installed so I never saw the graphical corruption issues either.

Milhouse
07-06-2007, 08:26 PM
When you type on the virtual keyboard if you hold the key for a moment then pull up it will capitalize, or do whatever shift - key does. Perhaps that is your problem???


Sounds like bug #1206 (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1206) still isn't fixed... :(

I've also had a one-off problem where the virtual keyboard was permanently stuck in CAPS mode - pressing CAPS or SHIFT didn't seem to have any affect. This was in Skype.

And who designed the Skype account sign up dialog for Christs sake? You don't find out until the 3rd and final dialog that the username you have chosen (in dialog #1) is already used so back to the beginning of the process you go having to re-enter your full name, chosen username, password (twice) and email address... The sign up process really MUST remember the details already entered, or put the username entry field in the last dialog!

Also, searching for a contact in Skype is a bit wierd... it took me a while to work out how to get back to the main Skype window (click the X in the "Add Contact" window). And searching for a second contact adds the results to the end of the first search, with no way to clear down the previous search - not smart.

@qgil - should Skype bugs/issues be reported in Maemo Bugzilla, if not where?

I've found no new major bugs, probably because I didn't restore. Sadly this firmware still has several trivial and major bugs that have been open in Bugzilla for far too long.

YoDude
07-06-2007, 08:51 PM
Ok I did the install and have played with it for a bit


...Anyway to conclude, the best way to update may be to forget about installing a backup and just start from scratch. The best part of this update is the touchscreen sensitivity settings and skype. I wish a new opera version could come out with better Google reader support but oh well :)

Agreed. I see these improvements and I did a clean install of the new firmware as well... for speed and out of the memory of updating other O/S's.

I re-flashed this AM (GMT -5 or 6 ish...) and am just now able to sit down and try the web content you mentioned.

A lot of the mess some are experiencing MAY be do to the plethora of third party apps we all load out of necessity. :) Weird things occur. Alternative themes sometimes are the culprit but then again most never played right or gave back resources correctly anyway IMHO.

Once I see an app behave as some themes did prior to the update I 86 the beasts. If after a reboot they linger in some form (like the Opera icon or the scripted "Please wait" as the power up/power down image I can't wait for a reason to re-flash with a clean OS. (BTW, IMHO this is ultimately an OS fault and not the builder of the beast. :) )

This also indicates (to me at least) that the UI is still being developed...

On that note. It appears layers have been added to the home screen. It's either that or I can't remember what the previous OS themes looked like. I never noticed attempts to make the icon bars look 3D in any of Nokia's themes before. Looks like at least one transparent layer.

Texrat
07-06-2007, 09:27 PM
When you type on the virtual keyboard if you hold the key for a moment then pull up it will capitalize, or do whatever shift - key does. Perhaps that is your problem???

It arbitrarily capitalizes on me on characters 2, 3 and 4 regardless of typing speed. I noticed on bugzilla I'm not the only one experiencing that strangeness. Interestingly, when it choose sto do this, it also refuses to automatically capitalize the first character after a period, as it should.

flatini
07-06-2007, 09:39 PM
Installed update minutes ago...Skype works great....Media Player won't play radio stations...Hitkast won't work

YoDude
07-06-2007, 10:02 PM
It arbitrarily capitalizes on me on characters 2, 3 and 4 regardless of typing speed. I noticed on bugzilla I'm not the only one experiencing that strangeness. Interestingly, when it choose sto do this, it also refuses to automatically capitalize the first character after a period, as it should.

I never did type much on the thing. It always seemed too painful...

After your post I riffed a few sentences on the notes utility using the thumb pad and had none of your issues. In fact it seemed less painless then I remember. May be due to the sensitivity changes, IDK. Have you looked in on the "Text input" settings in control panel?

rhouge
07-06-2007, 10:10 PM
Where is the screen sensetivity setting that i keep reading about? I found one for the thumboard in control panel->text input. Is this the only one?

flatini
07-06-2007, 10:13 PM
Discovered that hitkast won't play while Skype is active

aganon
07-06-2007, 10:18 PM
Anyone try to use OMWeather after update? It installs ok, but when I try to refresh I get a message "Did not download weather."

BTW, Skype installed fine for me and works, as did Python 2.5.

zerojay
07-06-2007, 10:38 PM
Anyone try to use OMWeather after update? It installs ok, but when I try to refresh I get a message "Did not download weather."

BTW, Skype installed fine for me and works, as did Python 2.5.

Had the same exact problem in all previous firmware.

Dom Queron
07-06-2007, 10:45 PM
Had the same exact problem in all previous firmware.

It seems to go away after rebooting...

amigokin
07-07-2007, 12:14 AM
Hey guys, is there any way to reflash the last firmware? I updated my N800 yesterday, but then I loaded a backup and I want to try a fresh update to see what happens.

Regards!

PS: I don't have any linux distro in my PC

witznitz
07-07-2007, 02:48 AM
I know Nokia does not tell us all the fixes so will someone please check below.

Did anyone check to see if there is an increase in Video speeds? Mplayer, Mediaplayer.

Did they fix the video tearing issue?

Does Media Player handle movies better? Without using the converter? Divx..


Seems to me the Nokia is really slacking big time. How is it that after all this time all they did was add Flash 9 and Skype? I know they added the 8GB SD patch but we already had that. They included a few apps also that we already had.

I like Flash 9, but come on.

Most of the people at this forum created alot more apps with no money what so ever. Nokia will loose this market share to Intel and iPhone in the next 6 months.

Why make a device with no support. Come on.
Dont get me wrong I love my N800 only because of the people making apps. Not because of Nokia.

I bet if I tossed out some ideas of applications and put up 500$ we could get mass apps created in no time. Nokia has tons of money.

maxilogan
07-07-2007, 04:46 AM
On that note. It appears layers have been added to the home screen. It's either that or I can't remember what the previous OS themes looked like. I never noticed attempts to make the icon bars look 3D in any of Nokia's themes before. Looks like at least one transparent layer.

I remember that Sardine was showing something like what you're saying (just cought this on maemo planet: http://importluck.blogspot.com/2007/06/sardine-with-alpha-channel.html )

anidel
07-07-2007, 05:13 AM
When you type on the virtual keyboard if you hold the key for a moment then pull up it will capitalize, or do whatever shift - key does. Perhaps that is your problem???

nope, it jusr goes capital alone, i type a letter and then itt goes down, again, alone.
It lOoks like it doesn t go up after a dot, but randomly a few letters after.
I wiLL file a bug.
MoreVoer, as stated above, the screen does not go off unless explicitily told to.


the update is great IMO. Exactly what an update should be - again - IMO. Being overseas it is really nice to have Skype on the N800 now. Gizmo was fine, but costs more, and often the sound quality was bad. I hope to have a better experience with Skype! Googletalk always worked just fine - but only comp to comp. Gtalk2voip - haven't used that one in a while. The developer is really nice though!

Flash 9 is welcome, but UKtube plays utube vids much better than they appear on youtube - and only slightly more of a hassle.

I'll stop rambling now.

i agree with you on this.

flareup
07-07-2007, 08:28 AM
I really can't see how the update can be called "great".

* no bluetooth headset to take advntage of skype

* no video call facility with skype

* loss of previous video call facility through nokia call

* no apparent improvement in battery life as claimed

* youtube etc still ridiculously jerky, perhaps worse that previous version

* no extras such as pim, decent "canola" style media player, more vid codecs etc as loooong suggested here.

TTgowings
07-07-2007, 09:30 AM
Anyone try to use OMWeather after update? It installs ok, but when I try to refresh I get a message "Did not download weather."


You just need to do a restart in order for OMWeather to work. :cool:

dtrask
07-07-2007, 10:56 AM
Stop being so damn pessimistic! Many of you sound like a bunch of whiners! If I were a developer I'd say "screw this...I'm not putting any more effort forth for a bunch of unappreciative twits". Given that it's only been a few months since the last update, I'd say this is pretty cool. I also can say that it looks as if the developers have put in several less noticeable things that they will use to build upon over the next few months. We kept clamoring for an update....they gave us one. Next time, if you want more improvements...fireworks...or whatever...then shut up and wait. At least we have a voice. Ever see this type of action with Microsoft. I can guarantee that some of you will hate the next update....here's why:

It will not enable the "toast buttering feature" you will still have to butter your own toast :(

The holographic image projector is buggy and inadvertently projects images of your 90 year old grandmother in the nude....thus Nokia has decided to put this off for a later release. :eek:

Rumors that the battery will be replaced by a hamster wheel with tiny elves are greatly exaggerated.

Although Skype may have video in the next release...the women on the other end will still be mildly disappointed with the image on your end. :rolleyes:

In the next release the R2D2, C3PO, and Boyz2Men protocols will all be enabled.

In the next few releases the video playback will improve to the point that when you watch porn on your N800 you will feel like part of the action. Unfortunately your N800 will still feel like plastic as the human flesh emulator is still in beta, thus you will probably hurt yourself no matter whether you are male or female. :p

The N800 will become an intergalactic communications device (much like a cell phone) but you'll look ridiculous holding up to your ear. :D

++++++++++++++

Ok...in all seriousness....

I have done the update. It works fantastic. Skype works very well...especially considering it's a first release...Youtube and the like play much better, especially once the video is completely loaded....Flash 9 enables me to use a whole bunch of sites I couldn't use before. If you update correctly...get the latest versions of programs (not necessarily the ones that show up in the Application Manager) everything just works. The only issues I had were with OMWeather...(I upgraded to 1.8 from the Maemo Garage and it worked fine)....Simple Launcher (again...got version 0.94 from the Garage and everything was cool)...installed Canola BEFORE installing Python 2.5 (others had reported problems doing it the other way around...could have been a fluke, but it worked for me)...disabled "extras" in the Maemo repository (it was giving me an error, so I commented it out)...made sure to install just Pidgin this time instead of Gaim....

I did restore from a backup of my data...no issues there. Just be sure to reboot a few times as you install key applications. My favorite theme is Plankton...it works fine...you may have to change themes back and forth once or twice and reboot to get all the elements of the theme (such as scroll bars) to work appropriately. (I didn't have to, but some have reported this as necessary...and I have had to in the past when changing themes normally) I almost never use the thumbboard, but it worked fine for me when I did. I use the pop up keyboard or my bluetooth keyboard (when I have a lot of typing to do). Some of the Google features I use like Google Calendar...now work better in Opera, however all of them work in Minimo...so if I need to use them...I simply use Minimo instead. The ability for the Internet radio applet to play Real audio stations like the BBC is a neat new feature. I like the new update...very much! Keep 'em coming :)

In closing...I've been a LInux guy for years. When a new update comes out I normally wait for a few weeks or months for the dust to settle and the initial bugs to be worked out before I update to the latest release of a particular distro. This time I did not...I updated within 12 hours of it's release....given that, it's amazingly stable. I'm very impressed! So...attaboy Nokia! Thanks for the update....looking forward to more! :)

ifallacy
07-07-2007, 08:31 PM
just to add my two cents, i agree with dtrask - nokia is leading the way (i don't see any other companies with pocketable internet tablets) and with each firmware update, it gets better

Likes:
*Youtube plays well in maemo-browser when video is fully loaded
*skype skype skype! my girlfriend just went overseas, perfect timing! =]
*touch screen sensitivity has a marked difference! i was getting tired of pressing much harder near the right edge and this firmware update just fixed that

have had no problems installing programs so far, pretty stable as far as i can tell

* no extras such as pim, decent "canola" style media player, more vid codecs etc as loooong suggested here.

the internet tablet is suppose to be an internet tablet, not a pmp or pda - nokia's making it good at one thing (internet browsing - hence the youtube/flash and skype improvements) before moving on to the others, and i'd say it's a smart move

open source developers can help create PIM and media player apps much better than they can flash 9 and skype for the tablet, so nokia picks up where the open source community leaves off with those improvements - while the open source community introduces improvements like mplayer and GPE to fill in gaps, so even though it's suppose to be an internet tablet, because of the open source community it can be much more

if you want something more powerful, try a UMPC that runs (*gasp*) windows at slow slow speeds and is much heavier and/or bigger, and x3-x10 more expensive

Milhouse
07-07-2007, 08:37 PM
the internet tablet is suppose to be an internet tablet, not a pmp or pda - nokia's making it good at one thing (internet browsing - hence the youtube/flash and skype improvements) before moving on to the others, and i'd say it's a smart move

I'd agree with you but for the fact Nokia are spending more time adding non-internet browsing functionality such as Google Talk and Skype than they are fixing the woeful Internet focused applications (such as RSS and Mail) which ship with and let down the the devices so very badly. And Opera is not the ideal browser for many common sites either.

gerbick
07-08-2007, 01:15 AM
Google Talk and Skype fall into internet telephony, thus internet connectivity.

Adding that functionality a gadget that "can't make phone calls" as the masses initially stated; so now they can. So they can/should buy it... and perhaps be confused by VoIP. But they can make a phone call.

RSS and Mail definitely need to be beefed up though. Flash and Opera being upgraded... that's an internet tablet.

Damn. I need an N800 now.

TA-t3
07-09-2007, 01:22 PM
Ogg Vorbis support is still not built-in???? I just don't get this. I realize that it's not used anywhere near as much as MP3 and AAC, but Ogg is FREE as in FREE (MP3 and AAC are NOT)...pretty much what GNU/Linux stands for...it's not like the code isn't out there. It's a standard thing for a GNU/Linux box to include Ogg Vorbis support. Any GNU/Linux device that supports media should be able to use Ogg Vorbis out of the box. I know I'm in the minority, but nearly all of my audio files are in this format, and it's ridiculous not to be able to use them on the N800.
And TomTom also uses Ogg files on their navigation products (TomTom Go, PDA and phone versions) for the voice directions. There are probably more vendors using Ogg where it's not appearent that they do.

TA-t3
07-09-2007, 01:50 PM
Various issues:

o For the record, I restored my backup and had no issues at all.
o The improved stylus sensitivity was an unexpected and welcome upgrade.
o The biggest letdown was that media player still has extremely limited codec support, and I still can't play the videos from my still cameras (which is one reason I wanted that separate, additional external SD slot in this device -- so that I could pop in SD cards from my cameras without removing the 'fixed' SD card). Big disappointment, as this one should be easy enough to fix. There's a free GPL media player for Palm T3 et. co with source, codecs and all.

And finally:
Anyone try to use OMWeather after update? It installs ok, but when I try to refresh I get a message "Did not download weather."
Had the same problem, now and before. The fix is to reboot the device after (re-)installing omweather, after that omweather will download weather (and continue to work also if you change to another site).

EDIT: Added stuff.

geneven
07-09-2007, 02:08 PM
You don't have to go so far as to reboot, just unselect it as an app so it disappears, then reselect it.

Rtalian
07-09-2007, 02:11 PM
And TomTom also uses Ogg files on their navigation products (TomTom Go, PDA and phone versions) for the voice directions. There are probably more vendors using Ogg where it's not appearent that they do.
This is true. It is also very commonly used for games (and probably lots of other software on a "behind the scenes" basis), because there are no licensing fees. My point about OGG not being used as much as MP3 and AAC was to be "by end users." So, I see that there apparently are some options (ogg-support + UKMP/kilikali/Mplayer...surely I tried ogg-support + Mplayer before the FW update??), but I can't install them right now because certain packages won't install. I guess I'll have to reflash w/out restoring....

TA-t3
07-09-2007, 03:13 PM
You don't have to go so far as to reboot, just unselect it as an app so it disappears, then reselect it.
Ah, good to know for the next time.

Rtalian
07-09-2007, 06:58 PM
...but I can't install them right now because certain packages won't install. I guess I'll have to reflash w/out restoring....
So, after a lot of trouble with the Update Wizard failing authorization (DST was mysteriously disabled in Windows, and the wizard makes sure the PC is on the right time, though I don't see the point), I finally reflashed and loaded everything again (no backup). Most of the problems I had have disappeared, thankfully. It would be nice to know specifically which file(s) have been causing so many problems for so many people, but at least I can live with this fresh setup. Anything important I can just get from the zip files. The combination of ogg-support and UKMP is working well for me (except UKMP is REALLY BAD at randomization); so, while the N800 should have native OGG support, this will work.

rhouge
07-09-2007, 10:58 PM
Anyone try to use OMWeather after update? It installs ok, but when I try to refresh I get a message "Did not download weather."

BTWBTW, Skype installed fine for me and works, as did Python 2.5.


I had to delete and re add my location., Skype installed fine for me and works, as did Python 2.5.[/QUOTE]

TheRealBubba
07-11-2007, 05:36 PM
I'm unable to re-pair my N800 and Stowaway bluetooth keyboard after the firmware upgrade. I've tried the proceedure listed at http://alan.blog-city.com/n800_keyboard.htm just like before the upgrade, but no dice. Any hints?

TheRealBubba
07-11-2007, 05:42 PM
"Pairing failed. Authentication time-out. Try again?" is the outcome.

Milhouse
07-11-2007, 07:10 PM
"Pairing failed. Authentication time-out. Try again?" is the outcome.

I paired my N800 with a Stowaway Sierra keyboard no problem - the procedure for my keyboard is slightly different to that listed in the blog.

There's a small button above the zero key on the keyboard which I press for a couple of seconds to put the keyboard in pairing mode.

I then scan for the keyboard on the N800, select it and the N800 suggests the pairing code.

I click OK on the N800 then quickly enter the pairing code into the keyboard followed by the Enter key on the keyboard, and then the pairing process is complete.

iball
07-11-2007, 08:09 PM
Well, I bit the bullet and upgraded today from my modified .3 SDHC-supported-boot-from-internal-card N800 firmware.
I figured "what the hell" and went ahead and flashed the new one on, then went ahead and reformatted my boot partition and used the latest inifs_flash from Fanoush.
Boots up just fine, and not a single problem re-installing everything - even Python - from the applications manager...well, Battle for Wesnoth isn't downloading but I think it's because the developer needs a new host.
But so far I've found not a single problem with it and I've been using it pretty non-stop for the past 6 hours. I did NOT restore from a backup.
Skype call quality is excellent, same with Gizmo (I am on an 8 Mbps pipe though...) and I'm able to run both at the same time as well as web browse and use the apps manager simultaneously with not a single problem so far (knock on wood).
The ONLY thing I have not done yet is to try to re-install the LCARS theme I was so used to before the upgrade.
If I have any problems after the theme switch then I'll know what caused it.

TheRealBubba
07-12-2007, 12:17 AM
I click OK on the N800 then quickly enter the pairing code into the keyboard followed by the Enter key on the keyboard, and then the pairing process is complete.

Thanks Milhouse, it worked, I think the superfluous CTRL+FN was messing it up (Odd,I'm sure that's how I paired them before the upgrade). Cheers.

jonstatt
07-18-2007, 10:23 AM
Sorry if this has been convered before but I just want to make sure my update was completely successful.

In previous updates, once the machine boots up for the first time, applets fill the screen (e.g RSS, contacts, Internet radio).

After this update, there were only 2 applets displayed...the google bar and the tableteer/feedback applet.

Is this normal?

Weezer
07-20-2007, 01:30 AM
does it work with n770 ?

chilko
07-25-2007, 02:14 AM
http://www.skype.com/intl/en-gb/download/skype/mobile/n800/

RioT
07-27-2007, 09:14 AM
i dont know what it is but this update is just plain slow. the ui hangs eveything hangs. i have the load applet and the ram is maxed. maybe its a bug but everything is so ill responsive...maybe there is something i can configure or a way to work around this so if anyone has any ideas please...

TA-t3
07-27-2007, 11:07 AM
http://www.skype.com/intl/en-gb/download/skype/mobile/n800/
This is the same version you get by downloading through the pre-installed download icon in the N800 firmware upgrade. So no updates yet. (It seems to me there might be a slow memory leak in Skype, but I haven't positively verified this yet).