Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)

[kardz]

http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900

[datjomp]

Here´s a guide for the brave ones who want to try it

http://wiki.meego.com/N900

[cfh11]

heres hoping this improves on the putrid 45s it takes to launch the browser and the 12s it takes to wake up from idle... still glad to see progress though :)

[keithzg]

The speed of the microSDHC card used surely has a fair amount to do with speed as well. I've been eying the Patriot LX series Class 10 cards; they're fairly cheap ($22 CDN for 8GB). Has anyone tried different cards on the DE and noticed any improvement and/or any particularly decent cards?

Sadly the "class" rating is based on speed measurements that don't really correspond to the kind of random access of an OS running on such a card, so it's only a rough estimation of *probably* how fast the microSDHC cards would be for a MeeGo install.

[kralde]

How can I install meego in the eMMC with dual boot? :S

[AndiThebest]

on my class4 microSD its still horrible slow... *surprising* ;)
telephony seems not working for me.
on wifi, i get an ip, but no network connection/ping is working.

[mikecomputing]

on my class4 microSD its still horrible slow... *surprising* ;)
telephony seems not working for me.
on wifi, i get an ip, but no network connection/ping is working.

I have always must reboot once before wifi works. FOr some reason the MAC adress is twisted first boot:

https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16119

Maybe a reason for you too?

[AndiThebest]

I have always must reboot once before wifi works. FOr some reason the MAC adress is twisted first boot:

https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16119

Maybe a reason for you too?

Tried a second boot. mac seems ok im terminal. network still won't work. maybe an issue with wpa2?

[elie-7]

do you know what would be awesome ? if someone can upload some screenshots, because i have a class 10 memory card and i want to know if its worth using it ;)

[object]

It's worth playing, but not worth using. UIs are half done or less, comparing to Maemo. It looks good, anyway, kinda, I think. I was thinking of making a video, but.. it looks more like a disappointment at this state. Daily use? I'd pick a T68 instead.

[renowong]

do you know what would be awesome ? if someone can upload some screenshots, because i have a class 10 memory card and i want to know if its worth using it ;)

I don't know how to get the screenshots from Meego, but I just tried it.
I installed it on my class 6 mmc and booted.
It takes about 2 minutes to load up and once you get on the desktop, one would think that things will be faster, but I got important lags when trying to even unlock the phone.
Launching applications is also very slow, even the dialer.
The whole system seem pretty stable apart from a minor error, but is unusable as a daily OS for now.

[object]

Here are some quickies, no more from me :p

[shadowjk]

I've seen tests of booting Gnome on BeagleBoard using various microsd cards.

All the class 10 were about 5 times slower than the fastest cards (which were class 4 top-ram and class 2 sandisks).

[ceroberts75]

pops up with a desktop of the golden gate bridge.

i am using a class4...but still slow.

cant believe it took nokia 2 years to come up with this!

it has a very fast orientation switching, and the ux looks and feels much better, but still way too slow on the class4 card.

was no problem at all to put it on my extra n900. added a contact, tried to make a call outbound was a no go, but the inbound, the phone rang, however, you couldnt answer it...my guess is because it was booted from the mmc card.

internet was a no-go, though it was no problem to connect to wifi. i didnt try again on the hspa connection. email could not be set up. ???!!!

there has to be more to this or for sure it will not be released very soon.

while there is a big difference between the SFDE and the 1.1, it still doesnt function as good as the 9000i communicator did back in 1996! :-o

[ceroberts75]

how didyou get the screen shots? ctrl+shift+p?

[abill_uk]

Some good screen shots from Object but my god is this all it amounts too after all this time?.

[ceroberts75]

yup....thats it...two years in the making.

[abill_uk]

What with whats going on in the MeeGo conference and looking at the progress todate it does look somewhat bleak, am not suprised people aint happy.
I think we can safetly say Nokia is out of MeeGo for WP7 to be there new OS.

Oh well we just have to keep waiting i guess.

[CooL_HunK]

its sad for me that i cannot install that 3.55 Gb raw file onto my 2gb sdcard.. :( can anybody help me with that ? plzzzz

[Daneel]

Its sad for me that i cannot wear size 8 shoes on my size 12 foot.. :( can anyone help me with that? plzzz

[Frappacino]

why the surprise ?

progress has been available to anyone who wanted to check on it

[cenwesi]

Lol, i wish everyone will just forget about meego. It is not going to happen. We really need to teach nokia a lesson here. Even if there release Meego or what ever they decide to call it, it will not survive the market. I hate to say it WMP7 or which ever one ms is releasing tomorrow has a better chance of surviving that Meego will ever have.

PS: Nokia just like Sony will NEVER get my money again.

[cenwesi]

why the surprise ?

progress has been available to anyone who wanted to check on it

lol, progress my ***. If this is what you call progress after 2yrs then you really need to smell the competition out there.

[TMavica]

how to dualboot with kernel power v47 installed..??

[Frappacino]

lol - right now i am being slammed has a meego supporter

rofls tmo has come full circle

[CowMan]

Just switched 1.2.80 to 1.1.99 DE, currently booting power kernel, stock, & Nitdroid U12/May as well. As it comes up every thread - I followed mostly these instructions (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73146) to get it multi-booting.

A bit slow, likely on account of the SD card. DE is better than the 1.2.80 version, in that it detects screen size properly. Didn't poke too much at it, but was able to make a phone call to the wife and take some pictures. SMS program crashed & wouldn't close so didn't get to try. Also, battery wouldn't charge. Long way to go...

[kanishou]

This is not indicative of anything, don't worry. Just something to play with and hack on.

[abill_uk]

Lol, i wish everyone will just forget about meego. It is not going to happen. We really need to teach nokia a lesson here. Even if there release Meego or what ever they decide to call it, it will not survive the market. I hate to say it WMP7 or which ever one ms is releasing tomorrow has a better chance of surviving that Meego will ever have.

PS: Nokia just like Sony will NEVER get my money again.

With comments like this and i know it is a common feeling among everyone who wants progress to happen it is clear proof that MeeGo is just not making the grade and to be honest if the latest release of MeeGo DE is all they can do then i would fold up go home and forget it after this length of time.

I have been critical before with good reason to be and now we see the proof in the pudding so to speak, i am totally shocked at the so called wonderfull progress of MeeGo.

People judge by performance and stskeeps needs to read just how it is and stop dreaming.

[abill_uk]

why the surprise ?

progress has been available to anyone who wanted to check on it

What progress are you talking about here? or are you dreaming yet again ;)

[abill_uk]

If the truth was known then the current state of MeeGo is no more than a days worth of development put together and released.

My god i have done more in an hour than these so called devs have done to date.

[tkatchev]

To all the mentally-challenged people posting here:

1. Meego is an Intel project. As of today, Nokia has nothing at all to do with Meego.

2. Meego DE for the N900 is a essentially a volunteer project, not a "Nokia mobile OS".

The point of Meego DE for the N900 is to provide a way for early-adopting developers to start programming apps that will eventually run on Intel's Meego phones.

[abill_uk]

To all the mentally-challenged people posting here:

1. Meego is an Intel project. As of today, Nokia has nothing at all to do with Meego.

2. Meego DE for the N900 is a essentially a volunteer project, not a "Nokia mobile OS".

The point of Meego DE for the N900 is to provide a way for early-adopting developers to start programming apps that will eventually run on Intel's Meego phones.

Tell us something we do not know ! and you talk about Intels future devices, you need to get a grip and realise we are talking about the N900 and yes than means the NOKIA N900 not an Intel MeeGo device.

In a weeks time it will be the 6th month of the year and how long has development been going on in the MeeGo dept?, please do have a look at the current status as it is no more than a very basic ui with nothing going for it at all AND it has to be run externally from an sd, this is no more than maybe a couple of hours work in any developers eyes and yes i was a developer once for your information so i can talk with experiance.

Do something constructive and get the code from Nokia for the 900 and you will be doing something very very usefull for everyone, untill then please stop dreaming as it is now a joke.

Do me a favour now and open your eyes please.

[benny1967]

how didyou get the screen shots? ctrl+shift+p?

+1


would like to know how to make screenshots in meego de

[abill_uk]

Microsoft hold the field and have done so for many years regardless of who hates them and now Nokia have been more or less made part of them you will see only Microsoft products coming out of Nokia and that means Maemo and MeeGo will cease totally, now this has happened we are left with a handfull of devs working on an adaption of MeeGo for the N900 and i can bet you they will soon scurry along to Microsoft and forget alltogether the project because devs go where the money is, a simple eqation no?.

I have said all along Meego is and always will be a no go for the N900 and you look at many of my previous posts you will see.

I have more than one 900 so i once again will repeat myself and say i have a big interest in an os for the 900 as many owners do too.

Maemo is dead MeeGo is nothing more than a desktop so what are people to think now?.

PS i made a typo i spelt equation wrong now look at that.

[qwertyberty]

What progress are you talking about here? or are you dreaming yet again ;)

And what of your progress ?
A member here since Feb 2010 and you are still the same whining dirt bag over a year later.

My god i have done more in an hour than these so called devs have done to date.

Now who's dreaming.
I've never before responded to the ridiculous posts you spew out, Nor will I do so again.
But it is views such as yours that damage the community and the enthusiasm of developers.

You want some progress from maemo/meego?
Then leave here and don't come back.
This Community will blossom without you.

Today you are joining my ignore list so don't waste any of your time replying.

[longcat]

Okay, can anyone help me with dual boot?

I've flashed meego san francisco image to mmc, flashed vmlinuz with flasher, tried it and it's okay.

Now, I have power-kernel-47 and multiboot. As far as I could see there is no way to set up meego to dual boot with multiboot, or I'm missing something.

Uboot procedure is again incompatible with 47, right ?

Help?

[object]

I ssh -X to run the xwd script on a PC. It was wrapped in a script coz I didn't know how to type | and > in xterm.

I didn't pay much attention to the completeness of the UI as I'm more interested in making Objective-C based mobile development environment with GNUstep. And I found Meego a good ground for that. The UI may not a well done coz it wasn't designed well. Designing a good UI needs more contributions from HCI people and it could be worth waiting before the actual implementations so they don't need to redo it over and over but even that it still could end up looking and feeling like Maemo.

PS. I failed to get import working that's why i use xwd.

[abill_uk]

If i had the original code for the N900 then even i would have a crack at it and do a hell of a lot more then has been done so far but there is the problem you see and untill the day Nokia release everything for their abondoned device we will have the same thing over and over with nothing more than a put together that does not work very well at all if at all.

TMO is for the N900 so why does it not push for the code needed? have you any idea at all what difference it would make if it was available?.

[object]

The problem with Maemo was that the application layer was poorly designed and end up mixing layers that should be separated so the lower level architecture could be discussed in a different context.

[tkatchev]

We are talking about Meego, which is a Linux OS targetted for future Intel smartphones.

What you are talking about I'm not sure, you're not always coherent.

Anyways, to reiterate:

1. The Meego DE is interesting only if you want a sneak-peak at how future Meego phones will work under the hood, or if you want to get a head start on programming future Meego apps right now.

2. The Nokia N900 is a fantastic device, but it is finished, in all respects of the word. If you're waiting for a new OS for the device or for extended support -- please don't, it's never gonna happen.

3. There will never, ever be a Nokia Meego device. There's no point in even discussing this possibility.

Tell us something we do not know ! and you talk about Intels future devices, you need to get a grip and realise we are talking about the N900 and yes than means the NOKIA N900 not an Intel MeeGo device.

In a weeks time it will be the 6th month of the year and how long has development been going on in the MeeGo dept?, please do have a look at the current status as it is no more than a very basic ui with nothing going for it at all AND it has to be run externally from an sd, this is no more than maybe a couple of hours work in any developers eyes and yes i was a developer once for your information so i can talk with experiance.

Do something constructive and get the code from Nokia for the 900 and you will be doing something very very usefull for everyone, untill then please stop dreaming as it is now a joke.

Do me a favour now and open your eyes please.

[erendorn]

[...] There will never, ever [...]
Regardless of context, these words are BS in the current mobile industry.

[cjp]

Can't we just enjoy this release, please? `:) I for one am very pleased to see MeeGo N900 DE come along at any rate it comes along.

This isn't anything we're paying for nor is it something that Nokia's future success will be riding on. What's happening here is a bunch of volunteers are making a platform for devs to play on and power users to entertain themselves. That's it!

So download the image, burn it on a microSD and just have fun with it! Leave the analysis of the significance of this release for other discussions.

[longcat]

Dual boot anyone ? I've found this link (http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=73146) but it's not helping much..

[erendorn]

I could not find info on how to boot meego with v47, so I rolled back to v46, installed uboot for v46, and it worked well.

[Maruzko]

PS: Nokia just like Sony will NEVER get my money again.

Please explain further the why 'no Sony' ?

[maxximuscool]

The UI looks fantastic. Most functionality are working but still slow and buggy as hell. Not good to use for everyday OS. May be flashing it onto the device might speed it up but running from class 6 card is not good.

A good start and a big improvement on the UI from the previous version. Still lots of room for improvement. Sometimes virtual keyboard slide in and out none stopped, and random freeze when opening apps is not pleasant. :)

Oh did I mention that the scrolling is super duper fluid. It feels like iOS scrolling smooth just slightly better :)

Stay away if you're not a risk taker.

As for dualboot goes, please read wiki or youtube. Install into microSD card and off you go.

[tkatchev]

Personally, I don't think Nokia will still be making phones in three years. Take my words in that context. :D

Regardless of context, these words are BS in the current mobile industry.

[mmlado]

Please explain further the why 'no Sony' ?

Probably, because they are Evil. :D

[erendorn]

Personally, I don't think Nokia will still be making phones in three years. Take my words in that context. :D

I hope not, but it's definitely possible.

[vir3us]

Is this the final version?

[Storm_11]

not sure where to provide feedback for this. Just loaded this up. Performance has definitely improved, I've tried the odd release here or there, and this one has definitely been the fastest. still a heck of a lot of work to do with speed though.

In attempting to send a text message, when entering my phone number in by hardware keyboard long press (aka press and hold q to get 1), by the time i get to the final digit, if i click send it says

"error. phone number is not valid: 04**********y (where the asterisks are the rest of my number). Take note of the 'y'. Even though it shows as 6 on the screen before pressing send, it changes it to 'y'. Pressing and holding the blue arrow, then pressing 6, also gives a 6, but it is able to send.

Nice improvements on the UI. Was able to create a new contact... though perhaps itd be more logical to have a "save contact" at the bottom of the new contact screen, rather than having to scroll back up, press the down arrow, and then click save contact.

did not receive a notification sound for an incoming text message, but did receive the green bar at the top right.

first time the camera app opened, there was a horrible purple tinge to the photos. Second time it was ok. Each time as soon as the shutter was pressed, the camera app closed. was not able to see the taken photos in the photos app.

[pelago]

Is this the final version?

Not really, it's just a version to be shown off at the conference. There will be another release by end of June, although I'm not sure even that can be called "final". See http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900#Target_schedules

[pershingjl]

I could not find info on how to boot meego with v47, so I rolled back to v46, installed uboot for v46, and it worked well.

How you rolled back to v46?

[erendorn]

I used the command from this post. (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1002005&postcount=446)
Worked for me

[pershingjl]

and this is only one way to install u-boot for power kernel?

[TheLongshot]

If i had the original code for the N900 then even i would have a crack at it and do a hell of a lot more then has been done so far but there is the problem you see and untill the day Nokia release everything for their abondoned device we will have the same thing over and over with nothing more than a put together that does not work very well at all if at all.

TMO is for the N900 so why does it not push for the code needed? have you any idea at all what difference it would make if it was available?.

What kind of effort have you made to make this happen? What have you contributed to make anything you say worth a damn?

It is easy to sit by the sidelines and throw feces. It is harder to actually get into the middle of it and try to improve things. Certainly, there is a team working on making improvements to what is open sourced on Maemo 5, and other rewriting some parts which are not.

While I'm disappointed in the progress of MeeGo and I'm concerned that it will not end up making an impact on anything, I'm not going to be rude about my opinion of this. I still hope for the best, but my expectations are rather low.

[Ele-Mental]

I dont get it. Why do they say its 1.2 when the dl page say 1.1?

[pelago]

I dont get it. Why do they say its 1.2 when the dl page say 1.1?

It's based on 1.1.99 which according to http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Release_Versioning is the Release Candidate version of 1.2, in other words, as close as possible to 1.2 just before release.

I guess because the final 1.2 release has only just happened, they haven't yet had time to re-base the DE release to use 1.2 version numbers, but still, this is pretty much based on the same code as in the core MeeGo 1.2 release.

[mbo]

There is now a developer preview of Opera Mobile for n900 meego

It is actually really usable

http://labs.opera.com/news/2011/05/24/

[kralde]

It seems that my comment was ignored so...

Is there a method for install meego in the eMMC with maemo dual boot??

[Deaconclgi]

There is now a developer preview of Opera Mobile for n900 meego

It is actually really usable

http://labs.opera.com/news/2011/05/24/

Wow! That was unexpected!

[Verythrax]

The Opera Mobile ARM developer preview is also confirmed to be working on MeeGo 1.2 for N900 "vanilla" edition.

Didn't know we have a "vanilla" version in the making... :D

[Fabry]

Uboot procedure is again incompatible with 47, right ?

Help?

No U-Boot and Power Kernel v47 can coexist

http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showpost.php?p=1009552&postcount=21

[mrsellout]

The UI looks fantastic. Most functionality are working but still slow and buggy as hell. Not good to use for everyday OS. May be flashing it onto the device might speed it up but running from class 6 card is not good.


If by device you mean emmc, then apparently not. A couple of filesystem tests (http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/QA/Performance#Filesystem_tests) showed the emmc performance to be inferior to a Class 6 card :(. Maybe a NAND flash will provide better results, but they (understandably) don't support that method at all right now.

[Fabry]

Is there a method for install meego in the eMMC with maemo dual boot??

Obviously there is a solution but unfortunately until now noone have published a detailed guide.

It is still possible but for now you must find out yourself how to make it

Of course you must rearrange your eMMC partition table to make a partition for MeeGo.
It is not possible to load it on /home as Nitdroid because MeeGo is too big for that partition

[Fabry]

its sad for me that i cannot install that 3.55 Gb raw file onto my 2gb sdcard.. :( can anybody help me with that ? plzzzz

I don't know how to remake meego DE image but I can tell you that MeeGo 1.2 DE uses only 1.3GB of disk space so it is possible to make 1.5 or 2.0GB image version

[mrsellout]

It seems that my comment was ignored so...

Is there a method for install meego in the eMMC with maemo dual boot??

I made an attempt to do this a while back and gave up on it and just did the standard emmc install. I think the way MeeGo seems to boot is to look for a FAT partition #3 to boot from with the rootfs at partition 1 and swap at 2.

So to dual boot you would need to repartition the emmc (http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash) (I used the BackuMenu method with GParted) either pushing the MyDocs and /home partition further back and editing your maemo configuration to match, or put the MeeGo partitions at #5 and #6 (sharing the swap partition shouldn't be an issue) and then editing the MeeGo configuration to boot from there.

I'm not sure how to do that or if it is possible - I managed to get as far as writing the rootfs to partition #5 and before I managed to extract the boot partition I got impatient and just went with the emmc install method (http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/EMMC).

When I get a chance I'll give it another go. Oh btw this link (http://wiki.maemo.org/Creating_a_large_partition_and_booting_off_it)here might help you configure bootmenu (make sure you point the menu to the FAT partition - I didn't realise this until after I gave up with it. I also had BackupMenu installed and needed to rename the /etc/bootmenu.d/backupmenu.item file before I could get my menu item to show.

[mikecomputing]

To all the mentally-challenged people posting here:

1. Meego is an Intel project. As of today, Nokia has nothing at all to do with Meego.

2. Meego DE for the N900 is a essentially a volunteer project, not a "Nokia mobile OS".

The point of Meego DE for the N900 is to provide a way for early-adopting developers to start programming apps that will eventually run on Intel's Meego phones.

If you think Intel is the only contribute for Meego your really is out of line.

Meego is NOT only Intel! It maybe true that Nokia doesn't invest what was expected before february but you are wrong if you think Intel is behind N900DE they probadly unintrested in that codebase.

Meego is a community project with some of free contributers and also alot of companies involved not only Intel.

And the team behind N900 is "Hobbyists", engineers inside Nokia and some Hardware adoption engineers outside Nokia! None of them is working on Intel AFAIK!

But one is correct N900 is not hipriority for the "payed engineers" for obviours reasons.

We are all free to contribute dont expect Intel or even other companys to do it. The device is discontinued but its upto the community too decide if we want Meego progress on N900!

Oh I forgot some of the new UI is infact based on Meego-ux(Intel) but still Meego-ux(was closed now open) is a rework of qt-compont(Nokia was open now closed in January).

Qt-components still closed, dont know why this still is the case I hoped it should opensource it at the conference but it seems not :@

[maxximuscool]

If by device you mean emmc, then apparently not. A couple of filesystem tests (http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/QA/Performance#Filesystem_tests) showed the emmc performance to be inferior to a Class 6 card :(. Maybe a NAND flash will provide better results, but they (understandably) don't support that method at all right now.

Flashing it on to device is not eMMC. eMMC is eMMC, device is NAND ROM. It's too buggy at the moment to even consider flashing it onto NAND. It won't be usable for anyone, everything crashing every once and a while which not very nice. But the UI is nice.

I kind of disliked the idea of multi-tasking windows overlapping with the Home screen. I would want my homescreen to be just that for widgets and other stuff. But there is no way to get back to home screen after you opened an application.

[erendorn]

Just flashed this new DE version and improvements are visible from previous alpha release.
Still slow, though, but it's at least beautiful.
Testing opera right now

[CooL_HunK]

Its sad for me that i cannot wear size 8 shoes on my size 12 foot.. :( can anyone help me with that? plzzz

Hey daneel, if u plzz cannot help any1 then at least dont make fun of their problem. chill out... :)

[uvatbc]

Hey daneel, if u plzz cannot help any1 then at least dont make fun of their problem. chill out... :)

But ... but... don't you see the impossible nature of your request?

What you asked us to help you with was equivalent to asking how to fit 5 gallons of milk into a container than store only 3 gallons.

[abill_uk]

What kind of effort have you made to make this happen? What have you contributed to make anything you say worth a damn?

It is easy to sit by the sidelines and throw feces. It is harder to actually get into the middle of it and try to improve things. Certainly, there is a team working on making improvements to what is open sourced on Maemo 5, and other rewriting some parts which are not.

While I'm disappointed in the progress of MeeGo and I'm concerned that it will not end up making an impact on anything, I'm not going to be rude about my opinion of this. I still hope for the best, but my expectations are rather low.

What can i do as a mere person on my own but i tell you this community is far more capable to make an impression.
I have looked at the progress of MeeGo so far and it is clear to see they are NOT developing this for the N900 as the efforts are just not acceptable after this amount of time they have been at it, so you should see the work is more for the future development of new devices and not the N900.

OK i have an idea and as you have said what have i done, well apart from try to get everyone to realise what is going on they simply sit back and wait for it to happen and trust in the MeeGo dev team to make this miracle os for the 900 and it is just not happening is it so here is just my idea.....

This organisation is called Maemo.org and MeeGo is another site from this one and a site i have kept away from because my interests are only with the N900, the CSSU is kind of progressing but not getting very far in my estimation but i do feel very strongly that the only future that can exsist for the N900 is in fact Maemo and not MeeGo because of the hardware limitations involved.

Having said that i have an idea i will kick off and it will all depend on the members of this community as to how far it gets.

[omaniac]

its not even a problem to begin with.. if u want to install meego 1.2 go buy yourself a microsd card that was recommended.. at least 4gb.. *facepalm* man, where have you been?

[Fabry]

But ... but... don't you see the impossible nature of your request?

What you asked us to help you with was equivalent to asking how to fit 5 gallons of milk into a container than store only 3 gallons.

It is impossible to install a 5 gallons tank on the same space used by 3 gallons tank, but if you are only interested to the milk (MeeGo) it is of course possible to use a 3 gallons tank because the total milk presents (on your 5 gallons tank) is about 2 gallons.

You must extravasate from one tank to another.

But today's MicroSD prices tell us that it is more simple and fast to buy a 4GB microsd :D

[godofwar424]

If i had the original code for the N900 then even i would have a crack at it and do a hell of a lot more then has been done so far but there is the problem you see and untill the day Nokia release everything for their abondoned device we will have the same thing over and over with nothing more than a put together that does not work very well at all if at all.

TMO is for the N900 so why does it not push for the code needed? have you any idea at all what difference it would make if it was available?.

As MeeGo is open you can view and edit the code, just need to do a lil searching on their repos. I mean the MeeGo code from Nokia for our lil N900 is basically just slightly updated but based upon the original maemo code running on our N900's atm. Such as the telepathy stuff and phone apps. All of the code for Maemo phone application is in the MeeGo phone application BUT the MeeGo one is probably slightly updated and COMPLETELY OPEN! :)

[godofwar424]

the CSSU is kind of progressing but not getting very far in my estimation

I am not flaming at ya or anything, I really don't see the point with childish arguments on this forums. Its just some people seem to grow Internet balls and start stupid arguments that waste time..

If you don't feel the CSSU progession isn't great which I do in actual fact disagree with as IMO the CSSU is miles better then what ANY phone manufacturer has ever pulled off with the amount of updates and features included :)

You are a developer or used to be, so dust up your prgramming and take up some CSSU projects! Maybe help rewrite open sources replacements for the base closed source applications within Maemo.

You can try and use the open MeeGo code and then use that to help create the reqrites, this would allow the community to do all the bug fixes themselves and also would mean that YOU will be able to show your skill and even make our N900 better. fterall a community is meant for people to contrubute their talents and help everyone out.

If I could program Qt,QML,GTK or any of them, I would definately help with these rewrites, unfortunately im swamped with exams and college work :(

[abill_uk]

I am not flaming at ya or anything, I really don't see the point with childish arguments on this forums. Its just some people seem to grow Internet balls and start stupid arguments that waste time..

If you don't feel the CSSU progession isn't great which I do in actual fact disagree with as IMO the CSSU is miles better then what ANY phone manufacturer has ever pulled off with the amount of updates and features included :)

You are a developer or used to be, so dust up your prgramming and take up some CSSU projects! Maybe help rewrite open sources replacements for the base closed source applications within Maemo.

You can try and use the open MeeGo code and then use that to help create the reqrites, this would allow the community to do all the bug fixes themselves and also would mean that YOU will be able to show your skill and even make our N900 better. fterall a community is meant for people to contrubute their talents and help everyone out.

If I could program Qt,QML,GTK or any of them, I would definately help with these rewrites, unfortunately im swamped with exams and college work :(

I have just read both of your posts in reply to mine this minute and i could say so much it would fill a few pages, i agree with your comments on most everything buttt sadly to say i believe strongly that if a job is worth doing it must be done right and that is where the problem begins......

Maemo is as you said far better than MeeGo would ever be for the N900 as lets face it it was designed and written by Nokia, if only only the drivers were that easy with all the closed components then i would have a stab at it regardless.

To emulate an os on an sd is not my way at all as it must be a complete flashable image over the current os, the bme alone is going to cripple that sufice to say without any of the other components so where does someone start?.

Since my last post on this thread i kicked off a poll for this community to try and get some movement on here towards squeezing some essentials out of Nokia for the CSSU, now the CSSU i have nothing but admiration for because them guys as you say have done bloody well considering and i know they are a minute away from the image i strive for as a working flashable os for the n900.

Yes i argue on here with some but it kind of vents my frustration at Nokia because i am more than peed of with them i can tell you, do not take any of my arguments serious as i am just as childish as the portrayers themselves at times and it kind of lands me in deep water haha.

Water off a ducks back but end of the day i would really love this community to make the impression they are sooo close too on Maemo and as the forum is full of all sorts including dreamers and pro's alike it can be a constant battle of wits to which i always in the end let them rattle on, this in fact stops progress in the area's it should be and that i feel is a great sadness for this community (i am just as guilty sometimes i tell you)..... wait and see is all we can do and i will jump in when i feel i can but it must be when at least 50% of the closed code is released to enable progression without having to guess.

Your posts are great to read keep up the good humor !.

[GreatGonzo]

Just tried this release (first time I dared to install it) and I have to CONGRATULATE the SMALL team that made this possible.
Things start slow - well it is running from SD. It's like comparing running a Live distro from DVD to a proper install from SSD.
Things aren't implemented - well it's a first DEVELOPER release.

<rant>
So everybody stop all the whining and opinionated drivel and get on your bike and make this better.
</rant>
Now I just have to work out where to contribute. Too many things to chose from.

[Stskeeps]

First boot is always always slow due to it caching data for future startups. After letting it settle (may take many minutes) it helps

[abill_uk]

First boot is always always slow due to it caching data for future startups. After letting it settle (may take many minutes) it helps

Could you tell me if you have the BME component code from Nokia?.

[GreatGonzo]

Thanks stskeeps!
After shutting down and starting again things are a lot more snappy.

[pelago]

First boot is always always slow due to it caching data for future startups.

Have you considered some kind of on-screen indicator (e.g. "Preparing MeeGo...") while it's doing that, to prevent first impressions being bad?

[erendorn]

Mine seemed even more stable at third boot, but it forgot the wifi key in the process :/

Some questions:
- Is there a keyboard shortcut to go back to task manager? some programs (opera) does not have the screen button for that.
- How can I emulate 'Esc' (vi is much harder to use without that)?
- Where can I find a pic of the qwerty keyboard of the N900 because mine is azerty and I have to guess for the right keys (even funnier for punctuation)?

[acrux]

Where can I find a pic of the qwerty keyboard of the N900 because mine is azerty and I have to guess for the right keys (even funnier for punctuation)?

Why not change the keyboard layout in X configuration file to match your hardware keyboard layout ;)

[samipower]

difference acceptance version and sanity version ??

http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/daily/1.1.99.7.20110516.2.DE.2011-05-23.1/images/mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-de-sanity/

or

http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/daily/1.1.99.7.20110516.2.DE.2011-05-23.1/images/mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-de-acceptance/

only the date???

[nowhereman]

difference acceptance version and sanity version ??

http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/daily/1.1.99.7.20110516.2.DE.2011-05-23.1/images/mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-de-sanity/

or

http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/daily/1.1.99.7.20110516.2.DE.2011-05-23.1/images/mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-de-acceptance/

only the date???

I tried sanity, it works! only problems with keyboard

[mikecomputing]

Flashing it on to device is not eMMC. eMMC is eMMC, device is NAND ROM. It's too buggy at the moment to even consider flashing it onto NAND. It won't be usable for anyone, everything crashing every once and a while which not very nice. But the UI is nice.

I kind of disliked the idea of multi-tasking windows overlapping with the Home screen. I would want my homescreen to be just that for widgets and other stuff. But there is no way to get back to home screen after you opened an application.

Is it even possible flash on NAND? how big is the root partition?

I would mind to test on my third N900 cause the device is broken anyway (Wifi, sdcard slot and camera).

Bought it on Tradera.se(around $75) he said camera was broken but it was seems more broken than expected :-(

But it would be nice to see if a can atleast boot Meego on it. Just for fun maybe I can tweek to get the damn Wifi going again hehe.

[lardman]

It's too big to fit onto NAND.

[JohnLF]

If I recall correctly, it's a 4Gb install, so get a 4Gb or bigger SD card.

[Stskeeps]

Could you tell me if you have the BME component code from Nokia?.

Yes, for ages. It is a redistributable binary. Charging is fully featured there.

[Stskeeps]

Have you considered some kind of on-screen indicator (e.g. "Preparing MeeGo...") while it's doing that, to prevent first impressions being bad?

Yes, smoke and mirrors like Maemo does it ;)

[Fabry]

Is it even possible flash on NAND? how big is the root partition?


There is only one partition (and not two as maemo) with EXT4 FS and it needs 1.2-1,3GB
I have successful installed MeeGo 1.2 DE S.F. on eMMC partition large only 2.2GB

[Fabry]

Battery indicator problem.

I charge my batteries out of N900 so when battery is low of charge instead of pull on charger I shutdown phone and I swap the battery with a new and full charged battery.

Unfortunately MeeGo (and Nitdroid) still indicates that battery is near a full discharged one.
Only Maemo reports correctly a fully charged battery.

Why and solutions ?

[shaddam]

Battery indicator problem.

I charge my batteries out of N900 so when battery is low of charge instead of pull on charger I shutdown phone and I swap the battery with a new and full charged battery.

Unfortunately MeeGo (and Nitdroid) still indicates that battery is near a full discharged one.
Only Maemo reports correctly a fully charged battery.

Why and solutions ?

i have the same problem =/ with a broken usb port i cannot install nitdroid with out the phone rebooting a few seconds after booting into nitdroid as a dead battery is reborted, so still just got maemo installed =/

gav

[mikecomputing]

It's too big to fit onto NAND.

well i meant root partition not all libs :) I meant would it be possible to split core libs on nand and the ui stuff on different parrtition (mmc or emmc)

just some thougts :P

[flailingmonkey]

difference acceptance version and sanity version ??

According to the MeeGo.com wiki, the difference between acceptance and sanity is that sanity test is built from Trunk and the acceptance is built from Trunk:Testing

Source: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/ReleaseProcess (http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/ReleaseProcess#Image_building_and_testing_matrix)

[qwazix]

But ... but... don't you see the impossible nature of your request?

What you asked us to help you with was equivalent to asking how to fit 5 gallons of milk into a container than store only 3 gallons.

it's not impossible, the meego image has a lot of free space, it can be shrunk down to the size of the download. I don't know how except to install it and then shrink it with gparted, which is not good enough.

[erendorn]

Why not change the keyboard layout in X configuration file to match your hardware keyboard layout ;)

I'm too lazy to do it but I agree it would be the most efficient way.

[wmarone]

it's not impossible, the meego image has a lot of free space, it can be shrunk down to the size of the download. I don't know how except to install it and then shrink it with gparted, which is not good enough.

Prep your SD card and mount the filesystem. Then, mount the raw image using a loopback (you may need to use -o offset=512 to skip the partition table) and do:

sudo cp -a <mount dir>/* <sd card root>

Which will work. I did that to create a bootable SD card for my Nook Color port project.

[Fabry]

well i meant root partition not all libs :) I meant would it be possible to split core libs on nand and the ui stuff on different parrtition (mmc or emmc)

just some thougts :P

Directories:

lib : 24,380KB
bin: 4,624KB
etc : 4,088KB
home : 118,488KB
opt : 1,280KB
sbin : 6,000KB
var : 26,768KB
usr/bin : 37,996KB
usr/include : 52KB
usr/kerberos : 80KB
usr/lib : 615,248KB
usr/libexec : 5,296KB
usr/local : 32KB
usr/sbin : 8,484KB
usr/share : 473,856KB
usr/src : 32KB
Other directories empty or disk usage not so relevant


MeeGo 1.2 DE (handset UX) total disk usage : 1,216,684KB

[TMavica]

http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.2.0.90/1.2.0.90.0.20110517.1/images/meego-handset-armv7hl-n900

Latest version than SF one?
just release at 26/5

[maxximuscool]

http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.2.0.90/1.2.0.90.0.20110517.1/images/meego-handset-armv7hl-n900

Latest version than SF one?
just release at 26/5


The version is only 1 day newer than the DE release.
I'm testing it now. DE sometimes working fast and okay but sometimes frigging slow.

20110517

[Stskeeps]

Battery indicator problem.

I charge my batteries out of N900 so when battery is low of charge instead of pull on charger I shutdown phone and I swap the battery with a new and full charged battery.

Unfortunately MeeGo (and Nitdroid) still indicates that battery is near a full discharged one.
Only Maemo reports correctly a fully charged battery.

Why and solutions ?

Please file a bug on bugs.meego.com and assign to carsten@maemo.org

[TMavica]

The version is only 1 day newer than the DE release.
I'm testing it now. DE sometimes working fast and okay but sometimes frigging slow.

20110517

thanks your reply.
by the way, I need to remove kernel power 47 and install 46 to test it.

[amjadk]

one thing i liked, the proximity sensor is so resposive when making a voice call, its even faster than galaxy s and nokia 5800.

[cjp]

I still can't get a call out. The "calling" window's there forever and eventually it will ask me to close the app because its crashed.

Can I get a terminal read-out somehow or how do I file a bug about this?

[xerxes2]

Sadly I don't got a N900 (will get the next one) but am curious about this anyway. What are the plans for the handset gui? Will it be based on the tablet gui? When will it be fairly stable (not talking about apps)? If the next open Nokia device will be based on Omap3 will this work on that too?

[mikecomputing]

Sadly I don't got a N900 (will get the next one) but am curious about this anyway. What are the plans for the handset gui? Will it be based on the tablet gui? When will it be fairly stable (not talking about apps)? If the next open Nokia device will be based on Omap3 will this work on that too?

the plan was that Nokia should rewrite meego-handset ui using qt-components but codebase has been closed since january :mad:

then Intel came up with meego-ux instead so it seems the community prefer than one now cause Nokia doesnt seems too get the damn qt-components code open again.

http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/01/31/well-be-right-back/

techprev is avaible for symbian I asked for meego but no good answer so far :(

except Kate said in april (in mailimglist) that it will "soon" be available....

[shaddam]

see the problem with nokia is they will come up with a great product but take 2+ years to get it out and by that time something better has come along, seen them do it soo many times

gav

[Texrat]

It's worth playing, but not worth using. UIs are half done or less, comparing to Maemo. It looks good, anyway, kinda, I think. I was thinking of making a video, but.. it looks more like a disappointment at this state. Daily use? I'd pick a T68 instead.

Functionality first.

[cjp]

And indeed already now some functionality surpasses that of Maemo. For example screen rotation in terms of speed and apps adjusting to it. Even on class 4 microSDcards its really impressive.

MeeGo DE is coming out with GoogleCal support out of the box, something that is stillso and so on Maemo.

I think MeeGo DE shows great promise already now.

[thashku]

Functionality first.

i am not so good at all these programing stuff as i am a biologist...still i gave a try to meego DE after going through all the posts and topics..
i found the ui intresting..
i would like to report some of the stuffs i missed to see in it
1.i tried phone call,it works. but incoming very low volume for it, i got into settings and i saw wallpaper theme and sounds...but inside the personalisation option there is no sounds option.
2.appling the preinstalled theme meego dont contrast,and hence writtings are not seen.
3.when the switch off/on button pressed nothing sprouts out as it is in maemo.
4.xterminal doesnt respond to root or any other commands given in maemo xterm.
5.no status bar; hence no easy access to profile, bluetooth and others as provided in maemo.
6. bluetooth device not found even though it is on and is visible.
7.keybord doesnt light up. that really is annoying..:D
over all i will rate meego DE as 2.5 out of 5..it has a future..but still there are things to be worked on.

[Stskeeps]

i am not so good at all these programing stuff as i am a biologist...still i gave a try to meego DE after going through all the posts and topics..
i found the ui intresting..
i would like to report some of the stuffs i missed to see in it
1.i tried phone call,it works. but incoming very low volume for it, i got into settings and i saw wallpaper theme and sounds...but inside the personalisation option there is no sounds option.
2.appling the preinstalled theme meego dont contrast,and hence writtings are not seen.
3.when the switch off/on button pressed nothing sprouts out as it is in maemo.
4.xterminal doesnt respond to root or any other commands given in maemo xterm.
5.no status bar; hence no easy access to profile, bluetooth and others as provided in maemo.
6. bluetooth device not found even though it is on and is visible.
7.keybord doesnt light up. that really is annoying..:D
over all i will rate meego DE as 2.5 out of 5..it has a future..but still there are things to be worked on.

Thank you - can you report all these on bugs.meego.com - prefix with [DE] ?

[x61]

i am not so good at all these programing stuff as i am a biologist...still i gave a try to meego DE after going through all the posts and topics..
i found the ui intresting..
i would like to report some of the stuffs i missed to see in it
1.i tried phone call,it works. but incoming very low volume for it, i got into settings and i saw wallpaper theme and sounds...but inside the personalisation option there is no sounds option.
2.appling the preinstalled theme meego dont contrast,and hence writtings are not seen.
3.when the switch off/on button pressed nothing sprouts out as it is in maemo.
4.xterminal doesnt respond to root or any other commands given in maemo xterm.
5.no status bar; hence no easy access to profile, bluetooth and others as provided in maemo.
6. bluetooth device not found even though it is on and is visible.
7.keybord doesnt light up. that really is annoying..:D
over all i will rate meego DE as 2.5 out of 5..it has a future..but still there are things to be worked on.

I am not a programmer and not a user of meego but I find your observations very useful. I am sure those that are fervently working on this fine piece will find your comments useful.

This is how TMO community should be.

Thanks.

[bekkra]

The speed of the microSDHC card used surely has a fair amount to do with speed as well. I've been eying the Patriot LX series Class 10 cards; they're fairly cheap ($22 CDN for 8GB). Has anyone tried different cards on the DE and noticed any improvement and/or any particularly decent cards?

Sadly the "class" rating is based on speed measurements that don't really correspond to the kind of random access of an OS running on such a card, so it's only a rough estimation of *probably* how fast the microSDHC cards would be for a MeeGo install.

I have two CL10 cards in use with the phone, one from A-data and one from Patriot. Neither of them gives even near acceptable loading times. If the responsiveness of the GUI is so dependent on the storage, I guess the best solution is to install MeeGo on the eMMC.

I am much impressed by the result so far, but not so impressed that I can let the DE edition replace my normal phone.

Contributing, then. Jeez, where to start ? There is so much to do. Important apps are needed then there is internationalization, responsiveness, like many others have already reported.

Nevertheless, I do not think that the CL10 cards make a big difference.

//

[jerryfreak]

I have two CL10 cards in use with the phone, one from A-data and one from Patriot. Neither of them gives even near acceptable loading times. If the responsiveness of the GUI is so dependent on the storage, I guess the best solution is to install MeeGo on the eMMC.

I am much impressed by the result so far, but not so impressed that I can let the DE edition replace my normal phone.

Contributing, then. Jeez, where to start ? There is so much to do. Important apps are needed then there is internationalization, responsiveness, like many others have already reported.

Nevertheless, I do not think that the CL10 cards make a big difference.

//

isnt emmc more or less class 6 speeds? i know it is slightly different in things like random writes vs sequential, yadda yadda, but i remember reading it somewhere (meego test reports?) and was surprised how slow n900 emmc was rated

[acrux]

I have now played with the SF release for some time already.
Not as a daily use but some hours a day.
Also I have upgraded it every day with zypper using enabled repositories - is it a correct way or is it better to install a fresh daily image as they appear?
Some remarks in addition to known problems on the basis of yesterdays zypper update:
1. It is very easy to miss a call - probably due to lack of performance.
2. top reports that about 80% of CPU power is idle after power-up. From that X takes 10%. In comparison - maemo has 95% idle in the same conditions.
3. vkb does not appear at all
4. e-mail application is missing but is startable from the command line. It is possible to create an account and send&receive messages, but only inbox folder is shown - no sent etc.
5. kasvopus is started in full screen and I did not find a way to get out of it - had to reboot
6. in picture viewer it is impossible to scroll to the bottom row of thumbnails - they are hiding as soon as the finger is released from the screen.
7. it puts time 3 hours back - it seems to assume that the device is running UTC without time zone&DST (Europe/Tallinn here)
8. Opera is quite usable :)

And many thaks to the N900 meego DE team for their efforts :)

[bekkra]

isnt emmc more or less class 6 speeds? i know it is slightly different in things like random writes vs sequential, yadda yadda, but i remember reading it somewhere (meego test reports?) and was surprised how slow n900 emmc was rated

You can make a simple test to get a hunch on how various cards behave.
time dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 of=/dev/null bs=4096 count=20480
time dd if=/dev/mmcblk1 of=/dev/null bs=4096 count=20480
This tells you almost nothing, but it works for getting an idea. On my system, the eMMC has roughly twice the speed as the CL10 cards that I have tested. The difference is naturally even more pronounced for writes.

So yes, the eMMC should still perform best.

//

[GreatGonzo]

There is a nice benchmark thread at http://whrl.pl/Rcx9Jw Class ratings are for sequential I/0 speeds.
Bottom line is that new cards are great for this (camera use) but horrible for random access. Older class 2/4 beat newer cards by a large margin.

[acrux]

3. vkb does not appear at all

After today's "zypper upgrade" ant trying to edit a contact the vkb kept popping up and dissapearing continuously. After reboot it at last worked again, but in landscape mode the right side of it is again hidden behind the screen border. The portrait mode is OK.
So that was today's update... :)

[cjp]

I just want to remind everyone of Jukka's thread on the Meego.com forums: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3452

He is asking for feedback and suggestions on the DE.

Have a nice day everyone!

[m4r0v3r]

am wondering about how the tablet version runs on the N900? Does it have 3G and the calling features?

[xerxes2]

the plan was that Nokia should rewrite meego-handset ui using qt-components but codebase has been closed since january :mad:

then Intel came up with meego-ux instead so it seems the community prefer than one now cause Nokia doesnt seems too get the damn qt-components code open again.

http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/01/31/well-be-right-back/

techprev is avaible for symbian I asked for meego but no good answer so far :(

except Kate said in april (in mailimglist) that it will "soon" be available....

So the current N900 DE UI will soon be replaced with a new one?

We are looking into including tablet-based apps or the whole UI, and you can try the progress any time since we are building images for those configurations also. This is where we would need help also.

[cjp]

So the current N900 DE UI will soon be replaced with a new one?

You're best off asking about it here:
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3452

Page 3 we've started discussing this very issue.

[datjomp]

Here´s a guide for the brave ones who want to try it

http://wiki.meego.com/N900

I´ve been struggling with this for a while, since I´m a noob at this...:o
But now I´ve been able to dual boot Meego from this guide:
http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot

Recent builds:
http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/daily/

Selet the most recent stable release of handset
Rename the downloaded file from .raw to .img and unpack with winrar or similar.(Thanks sada11 at meego.com).
Then mount on microSD with Win32 Disk Manager(see guide above).

I have kernel v46 on my device and then downloaded U-boot for kernel v46( not uboot-pr13). I had kernel v47 at first but there seemed to be som problems with u-boot and v47. I took the "safe" option and downgraded.

I had no problems with this and maybe this little guide will help other noobs :D

Edit: Oh well, and the usuall warnings regarding enabling extras-devel...yada yada yada

[Fabry]

I have kernel v46 on my device and then downloaded U-boot for kernel v46( not uboot-pr13). I had kernel v47 at first but there seemed to be som problems with u-boot and v47. I took the "safe" option and downgraded.

There aren't problems with Power Kernel v47 and U-Boot.

I am using it.

[erendorn]

There aren't problems with Power Kernel v47 and U-Boot.

I am using it.

I'm sure it's working fine, but last time I checked it wasn't package installable.
Depending on your expectations, it can be considered as a problem (I do).

[datjomp]

There aren't problems with Power Kernel v47 and U-Boot.

I am using it.

Uboot-pr13 had some conflict when I tried to add it from FAM when I was running kernel v47. But it seemed to be installabe though.
Maybe should give it a go then :)