N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]! [Archive] - Page 13 - maemo.org

daperl

07-30-2011, 11:15 PM

Is there support for like hotmail folders, or gmail's labels? that sort of thing

Yes, as I mentioned earlier, on the Mail home page below your in boxes, you can choose to show either "favorite folders," or "recent messages." "favorite folders" includes network mail folders.

How do u access contextual search? Must i go back to the app page and do a global search and apply filtering?

If you're talking about the global search like iOS has, it can be accessed from the portrait-mode-only quick launch bar. The far right icon is for full device search, and I quote:

Open the quick launch bar from any app by swiping up from the bottom of the screen and holding briefly.

http://swipe.nokia.com/img/quicklaunchbar.jpg

Is the events page sensibly managed? I mean if i put twitter and facebook, can i rearrange the order, or section them off to reduce space eg like a drop down tap.? What's the max length of this page?

I'm not sure. For the life of me I can't seem to get it filled with the Facebook news feed. I dismissed them all the other day and I haven't seen them since. Sorry.

How good is the python support for developiement? I read somewhere it's using pyside.

Yes, PySide is there, but the PySide guys decided to get rid of QString objects in favor of native Python strings. Whatever. So, if you have QString function calls from your PyQt4 applications, they have to be rewritten. And I do. Not cool.

Are there any voice features?

If you're talking about voice activation, I haven't seen any. The Drive app, when available, will have:

turn-by-turn voice guidance in 90 countries

Cod3rror

07-30-2011, 11:17 PM

Seriously, what is your problem ? Are you Eldar Murtazin ? You hate Nokia but we see you in every nokia related website, trying to kill the N9 before he comes out, like if your life depends on it, man, are you scared that the N9 will make you feel as stupid as your iPhone ? Are you an Apple Crusader or something ? Are you frustrated ? Do you envy the N9 ? I'm sure you do. You're scared that people will love the N9, and I'm sure you're doing everything to wash unaware people's brain on Android and Apple related forums.

I know what your dream is. Your dream is that your mastermind guru Steve Jobs steals the N9's swipe UI innovations with the curved glass screen and put it all together in the iPhone 5 and make a brainwashing awesome speech to introduce it before the N9 comes out to pretend it's their innovation and so you'll be able to come back here again to nargue us. You act like the silly bad guys in cartoons who always loose at the end.

Let's play your game in reverse mode :
Has your iPhone USB On-The-Go ? No, and it never will.
Has your iPhone native bluetooth transfert ? No, and it never will.
Has your iPhone native photo & video editing solution ? No.
Has your iPhone a good camera ? No.
Has your iPhone native free and good map navigation ? No, and it never will.
Has your iPhone Qt ? No, and it never will.
Has your iPhone an app for running Android apps ? NO and Maemo/Meego got one.
I can carry on again and again but it's late and I have to sleep.

How often do people use USB On-The-Go? I guarantee you not very often at all.
How often do people transfer things through Bluetooth? Not very often.
There are tons of third party apps that beat Nokia's first party app.
iPhone 5 will have a good camera. iPhone 4's is already good enough.
Does your N9 have TeleAtlas maps navigation? That's right NO! iPhone has both NAVTEQ and TeleAtlas GPS apps, and Navigon is way better than Nokia's Maps.
Who cares about Qt? How is that an advantage a consumer will use?
Running Android apps? You are very, very misinformed about that subject and besides, why would iOS need sub par applications from Android?

iPhone delivers where it matters. And it's not me killing it, it's Nokia themselves killing it. They are not marketing it at all, and they'll only make 250 thousands of N9s, Apple sells 20+ million iPhones in a quarter.

Sooner or later you will have either iPhone or Android. It's inevitable, Nokia is going down.

Cod3rror

07-30-2011, 11:20 PM

Yes, as I mentioned earlier, on the Mail home page below your in boxes, you can choose to show either "favorite folders," or "recent messages." "favorite folders" includes network mail folders.

If you're talking about the global search like iOS has, it can be accessed from the portrait-mode-only quick launch bar. The far right icon is for full device search, and I quote:

http://swipe.nokia.com/img/quicklaunchbar.jpg

I'm not sure. For the life of me I can't seem to get it filled with the Facebook news feed. I dismissed them all the other day and I haven't seen them since. Sorry.

Yes, PySide is there, but the PySide guys decided to get rid of QString objects in favor of native Python strings. Whatever. So, if you have QString function calls from your PyQt4 applications, they have to be rewritten. And I do. Not cool.

If you're talking about voice activation, I haven't seen any. The Drive app, when available, will have:

Does it have scrubbing like iOS?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph8oCCGOtaM

keflex

07-30-2011, 11:21 PM

keflex

07-30-2011, 11:22 PM

if you couldn't detect the subtext there: you suck

abill_uk

07-30-2011, 11:30 PM

if you couldn't detect the subtext there: you suck

What's with all the name calling? it is thanks to people like you that many have left this forum !.

IcyMoustache

07-30-2011, 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by swipe.nokia.com
turn-by-turn voice guidance in 90 countries

It is sad that inspite of having turn-by-turn navigation for Ovi Maps in N9 (obviously coded in Qt), the *****# cu#t of Nokia doesnt release it for N900....

what a shame, and then we have alll these fanboys raving about the N9...

slap me once, shame on you;
slap me twice, shame on me;
slap me thrice, for f##k's sake Nokia!

keflex

07-30-2011, 11:37 PM

What's with all the name calling? it is thanks to people like you that many have left this forum !.

I really hope that I'm not the only one who loved this post.

gerbick

07-30-2011, 11:37 PM

Ok agree and while we are on the N950, what is the reason for it's release to developers because i am totally confused about this when we all know Nokia will not be supporting it or the N9 or Maemo or MeeGo.

Don;t you think this is all a pointless excersise?.

Pointless? No.

Nothing concerning research is never really a mistake. And whether or not Nokia will support the N9, let's be honest. Does it really matter?

By the time I purchased and sold my N900 - within months - Nokia had already killed off Maemo, went to MeeGo then fired OPK... which meant Elop was next up to bat.

And you know the rest. Think of it this way... if you can afford it, you'll own a piece of history. I had a chance to fly on the Concorde - one of the last 15 flights, but couldn't break away from my project. I actually have some regrets about that.

abill_uk

07-30-2011, 11:43 PM

Pointless? No.

Nothing concerning research is never really a mistake. And whether or not Nokia will support the N9, let's be honest. Does it really matter?

By the time I purchased and sold my N900 - within months - Nokia had already killed off Maemo, went to MeeGo then fired OPK... which meant Elop was next up to bat.

And you know the rest. Think of it this way... if you can afford it, you'll own a piece of history. I had a chance to fly on the Concorde - one of the last 15 flights, but couldn't break away from my project. I actually have some regrets about that.

Ok as much as i agree with you i still feel this is going to have an absolute huge impact on Nokia and the way it is going no one seems to know the future of them, so i guess to own a piece of history is all anyone can do if it all goes down the pan.

Wonder who if anyone will take up where Nokia have left it? i mean the whole situation.

daperl

07-30-2011, 11:46 PM

Does it have scrubbing like iOS?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph8oCCGOtaM

As an excellent example of a media player, beloved marxian's beautiful youtube app is open source, so he or any of us can add any features we want.

Let me say that again:

Beloved marxian's beautiful youtube app is open source, so he or any of us can add any features we want.

If we want to scrub, we'll scrub.

gerbick

07-30-2011, 11:48 PM

Ok as much as i agree with you i still feel this is going to have an absolute huge impact on Nokia and the way it is going no one seems to know the future of them, so i guess to own a piece of history is all anyone can do if it all goes down the pan.

As long as we're not on the board of directors, who cares what we think? Huge impact or not - I personally have long stopped believing that Maemo 6 will have a huge impact on anything - and as far as the future of Nokia is concerned, they have chosen Windows Phone 7.

No amount of us being upset about that will change a damn thing.

Wonder who if anyone will take up where Nokia have left it? i mean the whole situation.

For now, I've found happiness in Android and the Android Forums - XDA-Developers is a lot more active, helpful and conducive to tinkerers like myself than any other place.

Who will take up where Nokia has left off? We'll see. Maemo came out of nowhere. Perhaps in a year or so, Intel will start pushing out more MeeGo handsets.

keflex

07-30-2011, 11:54 PM

For my part, I'm interested in WP7, Windows 8 for tablets & Cordia HD because I feel that they get it right with regards to touch-based UI design.

abill_uk

07-30-2011, 11:55 PM

As long as we're not on the board of directors, who cares what we think? Huge impact or not - I personally have long stopped believing that Maemo 6 will have a huge impact on anything - and as far as the future of Nokia is concerned, they have chosen Windows Phone 7.

No amount of us being upset about that will change a damn thing.

For now, I've found happiness in Android and the Android Forums - XDA-Developers is a lot more active, helpful and conducive to tinkerers like myself than any other place.

Who will take up where Nokia has left off? We'll see. Maemo came out of nowhere. Perhaps in a year or so, Intel will start pushing out more MeeGo handsets.

Windows Phone 7 is something i will look out for because i know it will be far distant and better than anything previous but i have not played with any WP devices so i can only assume it has a reflection on the Windows os we all know.

As for Intel taking up MeeGo, yes it has to be a good thing after looking at the N9 ui, it astonished me to see such advancement on MeeGo but will it happen i wonder.

What ever happened to the MeeGo adaption for the N900? is that even being developed any further?.

hotnikkelz

07-31-2011, 12:03 AM

@daperl

Thanks as usual
The reason i asked about the contextual search is cuz with the shitload of n9 vids i've seen, the quick launch has different icons. Some have search and some messages etc. It seems random/customizable

What are you working on btw? is it going to be open source?
Bummer on the QString bit :)
iIgger bummer on the fail of facebook on events page.
I saw n9 demos they were a bit apprehensive to show facebook in general, not a good sign i tihnk. Hopefully it'll all be ironed out pre sale.

How is vcard support? Nokia always did decently here imo.

How is the file manager?

gerbick

07-31-2011, 12:05 AM

For my part, I'm interested in WP7, Windows 8 for tablets & Cordia HD because I feel that they get it right with regards to touch-based UI design.

It's actually not bad. I just can't say that I enjoyed my 1 month with it fully. I found some flaws, some are ironed out in Mango, some still existing.

But at the same time, I'm finding myself more and more liking Android - even using my Xoom more than my iPad, my Atrix more than the HD7S.

Even my development has been shifting towards Android as of late.

gerbick

07-31-2011, 12:41 AM

Windows Phone 7 is something i will look out for because i know it will be far distant and better than anything previous but i have not played with any WP devices so i can only assume it has a reflection on the Windows os we all know.

Wrong assumption. It's nothing like Windows 7 (desktop) even in the remotest of ways.

As for Intel taking up MeeGo, yes it has to be a good thing after looking at the N9 ui, it astonished me to see such advancement on MeeGo but will it happen i wonder.

If a small, dedicated team at Nokia could make up the Swipe UI, then I'm sure some other company could come up with a decent UI for MeeGo.

What ever happened to the MeeGo adaption for the N900? is that even being developed any further?.

ARM/N900 MeeGo Summer Edition of 1.2 MeeGo came out.

Bonus: Microsoft Windows Phone 7 only sold like $600 Million... this article explains quite a bit (http://www.neowin.net/news/abysmal-windows-phone-revenue-under-600-million) and how that's a horrible number. That's who Nokia chose to side with?

Not good.

rfa

07-31-2011, 12:42 AM

How often do people use USB On-The-Go? I guarantee you not very often at all.
How often do people transfer things through Bluetooth? Not very often...

To my knowledge only N8 & N900 can do USB-OTG (correct me if I'm wrong) & only nokia owners can Bluetooth files easily to each other.

"iPhone people obviously don't need this, as they show by not using it"

keflex

07-31-2011, 12:50 AM

Bonus: Microsoft Windows Phone 7 only sold like $600 Million... this article explains quite a bit and how that's a horrible number. That's who Nokia chose to side with?

Not good.

i'm assuming you actually read that article, right? the part where they admit revenue is a terrible metric to use in this instance?

danramos

07-31-2011, 12:50 AM

True, Complaining about a product is one thing, and I don't see any problems with that if you do it from time to time, its healthy. But very few of your 2,328 posts are positive, or actually pointing out anything good with the phone. vendor or coummunity.

my intention here is not to attack any single member, but the negative thoughts that a few poeple are presenting without even giving anything back to the community.

My name might be a wake up call for you, you can interpret that in so many ways so a leave it open for you. But what I can say, it has more than two sides. Not black and white, good or bad.
Infact, very simular to the n9 when you think of it...

Why can't you take your own advice and go do something constructive or useful instead of joining the forum for the express purpose of complaining about users? Don't you have anything better to do? Irony! Better still, 100% of your posts (all three) have been negative. :)

abill_uk

07-31-2011, 12:55 AM

Wrong assumption. It's nothing like Windows 7 (desktop) even in the remotest of ways.

If a small, dedicated team at Nokia could make up the Swipe UI, then I'm sure some other company could come up with a decent UI for MeeGo.

ARM/N900 MeeGo Summer Edition of 1.2 MeeGo came out.

Bonus: Microsoft Windows Phone 7 only sold like $600 Million... this article explains quite a bit and how that's a horrible number. That's who Nokia chose to side with?

Not good.

Was not on about the desktop i was more reffering to the install if it will be anything like Windows.

What was the release date of that MeeGo summer adition do you know?.

jakiman

07-31-2011, 01:00 AM

To my knowledge only N8 & N900 can do USB-OTG (correct me if I'm wrong) & only nokia owners can Bluetooth files easily to each other."

Nokia E7, X7, X3-02 etc all have USB OTG also. Bluetooth file transfer can be done by pretty much any phone except iPhone. (Easily transfer files using bluetooth from Nokia phones to Android phones and vice versa)

abill_uk

07-31-2011, 01:01 AM

Nokia E7, X7, X3-02 etc all have USB OTG also. Bluetooth file transfer can be done by pretty much any phone except iPhone. (Easily transfer files using bluetooth from Nokia phones to Android phones and vice versa)

Welcome back ;).

gerbick

07-31-2011, 01:05 AM

i'm assuming you actually read that article, right? the part where they admit revenue is a terrible metric to use in this instance?

1.6 million in sales via multiple OEM's, 600 million in revenue; it may be a shitty metric however it shows a rather slow sales have been so far.

With Mango around the corner, let's see if things pick up.

danramos

07-31-2011, 01:11 AM

"I guarantee you"

well i'm convinced

"good enough"

SOUNDS AWESOME

"way better"

what an objective metric

"who cares about qt"

what an informed opinion

"where it matters"

also known as "not everywhere"

We have our next drinking game! If you see any of these phrases, take a shot! :)

What's with all the name calling? it is thanks to people like you that many have left this forum !.

Actually, I suspect most of the people who have left this forum left because of poopy-head Nokia's decisions, moreso than name calling.

abill_uk

07-31-2011, 01:46 AM

1.6 million in sales via multiple OEM's, 600 million in revenue; it may be a shitty metric however it shows a rather slow sales have been so far.

With Mango around the corner, let's see if things pick up.

Let's face it it had better pick up or Nokia IS dead !.

daperl

07-31-2011, 02:12 AM

@daperl

Thanks as usual
The reason i asked about the contextual search is cuz with the shitload of n9 vids i've seen, the quick launch has different icons. Some have search and some messages etc. It seems random/customizable

It doesn't look like Nokia even knows yet. Check out the quick launch bar description at the bottom of http://swipe.nokia.com/design/. The description doesn't match the picture.

What are you working on btw? is it going to be open source?

Do you mean, why did Nokia loan me an n950? If so, I'm on the hook for porting the open source Sudoku clone Tomiku.

Bummer on the QString bit :)

Yeah, kinda lame, but this QML stuff is so cool that Python might just start taking on a background role. See thp's port of gPodder (http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3764) for a great example.

iIgger bummer on the fail of facebook on events page.
I saw n9 demos they were a bit apprehensive to show facebook in general, not a good sign i tihnk. Hopefully it'll all be ironed out pre sale.

Have you not seen Nokia's out-of-the-box Facebook client? Well, let me give you a peek:

21794

How is vcard support? Nokia always did decently here imo.

Yes, this tradition has continued with Harmattan. All the usual import/export abilities are here (net, file, bluetooth, email, sms).

How is the file manager?

Nothing native yet, but I'm guessing this is one of the omissions that will be there at launch. Not sure though. On a side note, someone has already ported Midnight Commander.

jalyst

07-31-2011, 04:50 AM

Think this might have already been linked to in this thread
http://www.mobilecityonline.com/wireless/store/productdetail.asp?productid=28169
It's the first retail availability (pre-order) I've seen for the U.S.

jcdr

07-31-2011, 05:01 AM

How often do people use USB On-The-Go? I guarantee you not very often at all.

The day you can connect a USB memory to your phone, you realize that you don't need a computer anymore for a lot of transfers. Not to mention the endless possibility of hardware extensions without the need of a proprietary connector.

How often do people transfer things through Bluetooth? Not very often.

I do it every day, sorry. There is no quicker way with a Gnome desktop: select the file and "Send to..." in the menu, chose the device and it's done. No need of a cable or of a specific application.

colin.stephane

07-31-2011, 05:22 AM

The day you can connect a USB memory to your phone, you realize that you don't need a computer anymore for a lot of transfers. Not to mention the endless possibility of hardware extensions without the need of a proprietary connector.

I do it every day, sorry. There is no quicker way with a Gnome desktop: select the file and "Send to..." in the menu, chose the device and it's done. No need of a cable or of a specific application.

I have exactly same usage of bluetooth than you.

A++

Mandibela

07-31-2011, 05:55 AM

.... All the usual import/export abilities are here (net, file, bluetooth, email, sms).

Also, when you connect the device via USB to your computer, the address book is shown as a folder with *.vcf's inside, free to copy, add, delete etc. via the computer.

NokiaN9KickYourAss

07-31-2011, 05:57 AM

Why can't you take your own advice and go do something constructive or useful instead of joining the forum for the express purpose of complaining about users? Don't you have anything better to do? Irony! Better still, 100% of your posts (all three) have been negative. :)

I am. That is the reason why I have so few posts here. You should do the same. Just wanted to tell you to grow up and discuss tech as real techs. ;)

Why don't we both stop posting and the community would be much better.

N9 will be great :)

Cod3rror

07-31-2011, 05:59 AM

As an excellent example of a media player, beloved marxian's beautiful youtube app is open source, so he or any of us can add any features we want.

Let me say that again:

Beloved marxian's beautiful youtube app is open source, so he or any of us can add any features we want.

If we want to scrub, we'll scrub.

So I take it does not have scrubbing built it by default

So how accurate is seeking music or a video clip then? With those very narrow lines, I'd imagine it's a hit and miss. Kinda weird they missed that considering all the attention to detail.

abill_uk

07-31-2011, 06:02 AM

I am. That is the reason why I have so few posts here. You should do the same. Just wanted to tell you to grow up and discuss tech as real techs. ;)

Why don't we both stop posting and the community would be much better.

N9 will be great :)

HAHAHA speak for yourself ;)

abill_uk

07-31-2011, 06:04 AM

But seriously how do you reckon the N9 will be great? because Nokia have already said they are not supporting it so who is going to do that? oh don't tell me.... this community? HAHAHAHAHA. :D

abill_uk

07-31-2011, 06:33 AM

I don't need no support. I need a good phone with linux and no big-brother spying on me.

Welcome to TMO then ;)

mikecomputing

07-31-2011, 06:51 AM

abill_uk

07-31-2011, 07:00 AM

its funny when Iphone people always say "not many is using xxx or yyy" everytime iphone lacks some feature.

same goes for the Iphone crap camera then every iphone geeks comes say "I dont use my mobile as camera anyway" or lack of a good intenal chat like n900. "I dont use chat anyway" so qjestion is what the hell is iphone people doing with they so called smartphone? o I forgot they probadly using it for facebook clicking on "like" at facebook.

But then there comes a new version of IOS and a new iphone with the new cool feautures like better camera and usb OTG then same iphone people says ooh soo coool. probadly cause this time Steve has saiying its cool.

Just wonder who is most brainwatched we or Apple fanboys?

My guess is apple fanboys...

Remember everyone is entitled to there opinion and we all have our likes and dislikes, so basically it is ok for people to come on here a rant about Nokia being bad because guess what..... ;)

mikecomputing

07-31-2011, 07:07 AM

But seriously how do you reckon the N9 will be great? because Nokia have already said they are not supporting it so who is going to do that? oh don't tell me.... this community? HAHAHAHAHA. :D

ofcourse not this community cause its already full of ******** and ios/android and wp fanboys. So the devs has moved to meego.com..

n9 and n900/n950 is alive and kicking.

marxian

07-31-2011, 07:07 AM

So I take it does not have scrubbing built it by default

So how accurate is seeking music or a video clip then? With those very narrow lines, I'd imagine it's a hit and miss. Kinda weird they missed that considering all the attention to detail.

It's not a feature that I have had any real desire for (I actually had to look it up, having never used an iPhone), and not one single user has ever requested it. I guess that means that hardly anyone would have use for such a feature, so it's a bit like like USB-OTG or bluetooth transfer. :p ;)

I suppose seeking would be hit and miss with a capacitive screen, but I find it to be fine with the more accurate resistive screen on the N900. :)

I was planning to implement seeking in the same way as the stock player (tap-to-seek or drag and release, vs my initial release which just has tap-to-seek as with the N900 version), but I guess this scrubbingTM lark might be a nice detail to add.

abill_uk

07-31-2011, 07:11 AM

ofcourse not this community cause its already full of ******** and ios/android and wp fanboys. So the devs has moved to meego.com..

n9 and n900/n950 is alive and kicking.

You know i have a weird feeling they won,t be alive and kicking for long ;)

And what with all the dev's gone to where ever, there is little or no development going on here........ oh well.

jakiman

07-31-2011, 07:32 AM

But seriously how do you reckon the N9 will be great? because Nokia have already said they are not supporting it so who is going to do that? oh don't tell me.... this community? HAHAHAHAHA. :D

Nokia did say they will support it. Whether they will is yet unknown.
http://twitter.com/#!/klasstrom/status/88305439988662272

mikecomputing

07-31-2011, 07:43 AM

You know i have a weird feeling they won,t be alive and kicking for long ;)

And what with all the dev's gone to where ever there is little or no development going on here........ oh well.

well thats your opinion But fact is N900CE and n950CE has a new buildimage every week....

but you and others prefer to sitting on TMO being negative about the future instead of help improve.

thats why I say TMO/maemo.org is dead but NOT n9xx meego community. Thats a big difference.

abill_uk

07-31-2011, 07:44 AM

Nokia did say they will support it. Whether they will is yet unknown.
http://twitter.com/#!/klasstrom/status/88305439988662272

All i can say is if they ballsup on this one then for sure Nokia are finished !.

We had enough from the so called support that was full of NOFIX's and then for Maemo to be abolished by them so this is going to be the last chance Nokia get and i say this knowing i am sure to be right,

This time they better support or else they will lose just about every fan they have i feel .

abill_uk

07-31-2011, 07:51 AM

well thats your opinion But fact is N900CE and n950CE has a new buildimage every week....

but you and others prefer to sitting on TMO being negative about the future instead of help improve.

thats why I say TMO/maemo.org is dead but NOT n9xx meego community. Thats a big difference.

You seem to build all your hopes up on this development that seems to be going on at the moment for the N900 but you must surely realise the device is lacking in just about everything now as hardware has moved on, the biggest drawback is ram by the way and without at least 1gb it is not only going to be very slow but will just not run MeeGo in any way that will be usable.

Remember one thing here.... we need the Maemo source code to do this properly, any build without that will be pure guesswork.

I say stick with Maemo and further develop that because MeeGo is never gong to be fit for such a dated device.

Chuck Norris

07-31-2011, 08:02 AM

abill_uk. You are a joke and a troll without a life! Stop with all you FUD before I roundhouse kick you back to apple land.

Nokia will support N9 with several updates. If that isn't enough for you fine. You probably need a step by step guide to start up your phone So i guess your lack of skill force you to be here all the time. If you want i can pay for a babysitter for you.

Best regards,
Chuck

abill_uk

07-31-2011, 08:05 AM

Chuck Norris

07-31-2011, 08:10 AM

Whats up duck... truth hurt? ;)

No, I just want to give you some support. After all, that is what you missing.

Rugoz

07-31-2011, 08:14 AM

My guess regarding udpates etc:

The OS itself will still be kept "up to date", as R&D spending for maemo is significant even after the N9. So we may see updates for the OS.

The UI and apps will be further improved by nokia, as they will later run on s40. Its not part of maemo r&d anymore though.

abill_uk

07-31-2011, 08:15 AM

Do you know what astounds me the most about TMO?.

It is FULL of DREAMERS !.

Rugoz

07-31-2011, 08:19 AM

^

Why? Those were actually realistic assumptions and in line with what we heard about nokia's strategy so far.

cocacola75

07-31-2011, 08:21 AM

How often do people use USB On-The-Go? I guarantee you not very often at all.
How often do people transfer things through Bluetooth? Not very often.
There are tons of third party apps that beat Nokia's first party app.
iPhone 5 will have a good camera. iPhone 4's is already good enough.
Does your N9 have TeleAtlas maps navigation? That's right NO! iPhone has both NAVTEQ and TeleAtlas GPS apps, and Navigon is way better than Nokia's Maps.
Who cares about Qt? How is that an advantage a consumer will use?
Running Android apps? You are very, very misinformed about that subject and besides, why would iOS need sub par applications from Android?

iPhone delivers where it matters. And it's not me killing it, it's Nokia themselves killing it. They are not marketing it at all, and they'll only make 250 thousands of N9s, Apple sells 20+ million iPhones in a quarter.

Sooner or later you will have either iPhone or Android. It's inevitable, Nokia is going down.

Oh dear. Are you acting ? This is insane, I have to inform you.
In the real world, not the iPhone world, people transfers photos and music each other through bluetooth, it is very useful, and I wish one day Steve Jobs lets you try it natively.
"Who cares about Qt?" Android geeks. They're trying everything to port Qt to Android.
Misinformed ? Oh really ? That's pretty ironic, tell me why ?
The first point is, Android apps forms a huge app ecosystem you can't deny and it's cool to run other system's apps, but you won't admit it. The second point is, iOs can't do it, I mean, there isn't an app for this, even if one single ifanboy would want it.

"There are tons of third party apps that beat Nokia's first party app." The purpose of first party apps is to be integrated with the system, built-in. Something your third party iPhone apps will never be.

"and Navigon is way better than Nokia's Maps." Ha ha ha..

"iPhone delivers where it matters" Ah, so the signal strengh doesn't matters ?

It's time to be honest.

People like you, extreme iFanboys, are hating whatever Nokia do and provides without any particular reason, like Apple zombies.
If you can't do a particular thing with your Iphone, you'll say "Whatever I don't need it, who do ? Useless", you won't admit and become particulary agressive.
If the next year you can do it, you'll say "Awesome, so cool, innovating, way better than others" and you'll be so excited like a kid unboxing his PS3.

USB OTG -> "How often do people use USB On-The-Go? I guarantee you not very often at all."
BT transfert -> "How often do people transfer things through Bluetooth? Not very often."
Qt -> "Who cares about Qt?"
Running Android apps -> "why would iOS need sub par applications from Android?"

See ? Always the same answers. People like you used to say the same about MMS, multitasking, folders, wallpapers, copy&paste, etc. You forgot all of the simple and useful features, like if you never used a phone before an iPhone. Now you call it innovations because in your iFanworld, when you get use to live with limited functionnalities, you can't see the benefits of something you don't have, or you don't want to see it until you get it.

You are frustrated, but you'll never admit it, you'll just keeping on saying crap about Nokia and the N9 as usual, it makes you feel better.

abill_uk

07-31-2011, 08:25 AM

^

Why? Those were actually realistic assumptions and in line with what we heard about nokia's strategy so far.

OK can you please post on here some link or links to prove what you are saying? because where i stand Nokia have already stated officially that Maemo AND MeeGo has been dropped alltogether thanks to mr wonderful Elop, for WP.

Now just where are you getting this information from?.

Do you even think Nokia supported Maemo? oh wait, thay gave us 4 updates but guess what.... did you look at the state of the NOFIX situation that never got fixed todate?.

Did you even read what Nokia said about the N9 after it is going to be released?.

Chuck Norris

07-31-2011, 08:26 AM

OK can you please post on here some link or links to prove what you are saying? because where i stand Nokia have already stated officially that Maemo AND MeeGo has been dropped alltogether thanks to mr wonderful Elop, for WP.

Now just where are you getting this information from?.

Do you even think Nokia supported Maemo? oh wait, thay gave us 4 updates but guess what.... did you look at the state of the NOFIX situation that never got fixed todate?.

Did you even read what Nokia said about the N9 after it is going to be released?.

sure, just for you: http://www.dummies.com/

abill_uk

07-31-2011, 08:31 AM

sure, just for you: http://www.dummies.com/

Hate to ruffle your feathers but i am NOT an iphone supporter, never have been and never will be OK.

Chuck Norris

07-31-2011, 08:33 AM

Hate to ruffle your feathers but i am NOT an iphone supporter, never have been and never will be OK.

Alright. It's ok, you just talk **** all day long, and so do I.

ysss

07-31-2011, 08:34 AM

WARNING: You are entering a pissing contest.
Please proceed to the proper facility if you plan to continue.

abill_uk

07-31-2011, 08:37 AM

Alright. It's ok, you just talk **** all day long, and so do I.

That made my day hahahahahahaha thankyou soooo much it made me pee myself almost hahahahaha.

jcdr

07-31-2011, 08:50 AM

sure, just for you: http://www.dummies.com/

???

Even as a long term Nokia user, I found that the current official Nokia statement is completely schizophrenic to the absolute total maximum. What the point to release a so great and beautiful N9 if the future is WP only ? Nokia official statement is certainly the biggest thread against Nokia himself. It's pathetic and need a fix as big as the error that have produced this problem.

abill_uk

07-31-2011, 08:54 AM

???

Even as a long term Nokia user, I found that the current official Nokia statement is completely schizophrenic to the absolute total maximum. What the point to release a so great and beautiful N9 if the future is WP only ? Nokia official statement is certainly the biggest thread against Nokia himself. It's pathetic and need a fix as big as the error that have produced this problem.

Could you do me a BIG favour and post that statement on this very thread please because it is absolutely FULL of dreamers that obviously do not know anything that is actually going on with Nokia.

abill_uk

07-31-2011, 08:58 AM

"A man without a dream is not nothing more than a man. But a man with a dream, plus a N9 in his hand can change the world."

Chuck norris

Yeah right lmfaoooo , he can DREAM hahahahaha :p

jcdr

07-31-2011, 09:07 AM

Could you do me a BIG favour and post that statement on this very thread please because it is absolutely FULL of dreamers that obviously do not know anything that is actually going on with Nokia.

Search Google for this:
"Nokia’s CEO Stephen Elop confirmed the N9 to be the only MeeGo phone they will produce. Nokia will be focusing 100% of their efforts into the Windows Phone OS, regardless of how successful the N9 yields to be."

There is some variation of the actual statement given at this interview. but the general idea is very well known: Nokia future is WP only.

Now if you have a deeper knowledge of an other future for Nokia, fine for you, but you have to realize that for people like me this is not the case. The current Nokia CEO have proved to have a extremely large power by changing Nokia the way he like to. What sign give you a hope that Meego will not be dropped for WP ?

scapegoat845

07-31-2011, 09:08 AM

its funny when Iphone people always say "not many is using xxx or yyy" everytime iphone lacks some feature.

same goes for the Iphone crap camera then every iphone geeks comes say "I dont use my mobile as camera anyway" or lack of a good intenal chat like n900. "I dont use chat anyway" so qjestion is what the hell is iphone people doing with they so called smartphone? o I forgot they probadly using it for facebook clicking on "like" at facebook.

But then there comes a new version of IOS and a new iphone with the new cool feautures like better camera and usb OTG then same iphone people says ooh soo coool. probadly cause this time Steve has saiying its cool.

Just wonder who is most brainwatched we or Apple fanboys?

My guess is apple fanboys...

Agreed. Most of them are very close-minded people. #broadenyourhorizon

abill_uk

07-31-2011, 09:13 AM

Search Google for this:
"Nokia’s CEO Stephen Elop confirmed the N9 to be the only MeeGo phone they will produce. Nokia will be focusing 100% of their efforts into the Windows Phone OS, regardless of how successful the N9 yields to be."

There is some variation of the actual statement given at this interview. but the general idea is very well known: Nokia future is WP only.

Now if you have a deeper knowledge of an other future for Nokia, fine for you, but you have to realize that for people like me this is not the case. The current Nokia CEO have proved to have a extremely large power by changing Nokia the way he like to. What sign give you a hope that Meego will not be dropped for WP ?

Hold up here when did i say Nokia will not drop MeeGo ?????.

They have dropped MeeGo like a stone but the problem is the dreamers on this thread (not me) seem to think that they will support it and the N9.

abill_uk

07-31-2011, 09:17 AM

many on this thread have let the N9 run away with them and they dream of never ending support with updates forthcoming and when you try to tell them otherwise they go absolutely beserk at you hahaha.

Then you get accused of being a troll or spreading fud or whatever.

I have had Nokia devices for generations and supported my own repairs etc and no way am i an apple fan, my god i cannot stand him, but neither am i a Elop fan because of what he has done to Nokia.

Chuck Norris

07-31-2011, 09:19 AM

Parody

07-31-2011, 09:20 AM

Hold up here when did i say Nokia will not drop MeeGo ?????.

They have dropped MeeGo like a stone but the problem is the dreamers on this thread (not me) seem to think that they will support it and the N9.

http://blog.gsmarena.com/nokia-promises-to-continue-support-for-n9-still-not-going-to-look-back-at-meego/
They will support the N9, but it's still the last MeeGo phone from Nokia

abill_uk

07-31-2011, 09:32 AM

http://blog.gsmarena.com/nokia-promises-to-continue-support-for-n9-still-not-going-to-look-back-at-meego/
They will support the N9, but it's still the last MeeGo phone from Nokia

Well i sincerely hope your right because if not !.

We will see, been there done that with the N900.... remember ;)

By the way that link is NOT from Nokia so if you believe it then up to you ok.

momcilo

07-31-2011, 09:37 AM

Have you been dropped like a stone?

Nokia will release several updates. Is that so hard for you to understand?Several is very indefinite.

It's more than two but not many more.

So far, we don't know:
- how many N9 will be produced.
- what will be the retail price.

And yet you claim will be supported with several updates. Is there any rational reason for such opinion?

Chuck Norris

07-31-2011, 09:40 AM

Several is very indefinite.

It's more than two but not many more.

So far, we don't know:
- how many N9 will be produced.
- what will be the retail price.

And yet you claim will be supported with several updates. Is there any rational reason for such opinion?

N900 got several updates...other nokia phone have been updated several times. Android phones is updated several times, even apple update their phones several times. That is the reason. phones always receive several updates.

EDIT: plus if you read what Klas strom from nokia said. "...release several SW updates..."

jcdr

07-31-2011, 09:48 AM

Hold up here when did i say Nokia will not drop MeeGo ?????.

They have dropped MeeGo like a stone but the problem is the dreamers on this thread (not me) seem to think that they will support it and the N9.

Not all peoples act the same way when there face contradictory informations. But the point is not to react to the individual view in a such situation, because there will be very different behaviors. It's a fact on how the human brain work at the individual scale. Some will talk about official statement, some talk about current product release, some talk about there hope, etc... The point is to realize that there is currently different possible interpretation of the available informations. And this will continue this way until there will be a more coherent set of information, that will assert some previous info and withdraw some others previous info.

Very simply put, the problem is:
* Nokia officially say his future is WP only.
* Nokia officially release a brand new Meego N9.
* Lot of reactions external to Nokia acclaim the Meego N9 and challenge the WP only future decision.

Now there is two basic directions:
1) Continue WP only. Nokia value will fall because it kill it own Meego value (and actually the only one that is publicly acclaimed for that matter, as WP is just WP as already do Samsung or HTC).
2) Continue Meego. Nokia value will fall because of the hug loss in effort in a pointless WP development.

Clearly Nokia need something more subtle to expect a rise of his value. But what ? This is the question for me.

crisscross

07-31-2011, 09:53 AM

jcdr

07-31-2011, 10:00 AM

Several is very indefinite.

It's more than two but not many more.

So far, we don't know:
- how many N9 will be produced.
- what will be the retail price.

And yet you claim will be supported with several updates. Is there any rational reason for such opinion?

For the price, it now available in Switzerland. Digitec is usually a very reliable retailer:
http://www.digitec.ch/?param=toppreise&wert=219890
http://www.digitec.ch/?param=toppreise&wert=219893
http://www.digitec.ch/?param=toppreise&wert=219892
http://www.digitec.ch/?param=toppreise&wert=219894

Actually:
Nokia N9-00 - 16GB - Black/Cyan/Magenta: CHF 649.-
Nokia N9-00 - 64GB - Black CHF 699.-

There expect the products for mid-September, but this information is usually not so reliable, and there clearly warn about this fact.

On the other side, Orange Switzerland web site announce the expected release for the 15 September:
http://shop.orange.ch/fr/nokia/nokia-n9-noir/invt/10060090/
(This link might not work. Go to Product->Nokia->3->N9)

abill_uk

07-31-2011, 10:12 AM

All the links that people are posting on here are NOT from Nokia so why will anyone believe?.

jcdr

07-31-2011, 10:19 AM

This quote from Elop himself should be proof enough:
"The N9 will be supported by Nokia in the years to come to ensure customers are well served."
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/07/31/straight-from-the-elops-mouth/

Seem to be very fresh new statements ! :-)

My personal perception after reading Elop is that he cannot hide the Meego acclamation and have to find a way to make value from this, but still have to defend his decision about WP.

This statement sound very suspicious to me: "[...] the MeeGo effort could not quickly enough deliver us a range of solutions across price points, radio technologies, etc". Easy to say after having cut the Meego staff by a half !

daviss

07-31-2011, 10:32 AM

wondering is the taxi's door 832 is related to the elgamal answer 2-8-0-3-0-2 somehow, otherwise 832 is another open unsolved clue so far..

Chuck Norris

07-31-2011, 10:40 AM

All the links that people are posting on here are NOT from Nokia so why will anyone believe?.

not the links, but the statments. Its more nokia than your FUD ever will. In fact. any newspaper, or blogger in the world are more reliable than you.

hotnikkelz

07-31-2011, 11:49 AM

@daperl

That quick launch thing needed to be sorted out. I think devs have access to it, cuz there's an app that allows to extend up to 14 apps in it.

All around good news I find except for no built in filemanager.
The facebook app looks good :) can't complain there.
QML seems very nice for devs i think, looks css'ish and javascript'ish. Should bean easy transition....but can it replace python altogether? It's that powerful?

And now since you're so eager to post screen shots heh heh ;) twitter app please

Oh and good luck with your soduku app. Game apps attract people to the platform the most it seems

mikecomputing

07-31-2011, 11:57 AM

You seem to build all your hopes up on this development that seems to be going on at the moment for the N900 but you must surely realise the device is lacking in just about everything now as hardware has moved on, the biggest drawback is ram by the way and without at least 1gb it is not only going to be very slow but will just not run MeeGo in any way that will be usable.

Remember one thing here.... we need the Maemo source code to do this properly, any build without that will be pure guesswork.

I say stick with Maemo and further develop that because MeeGo is never gong to be fit for such a dated device.

and you totally forget that the n900CE team has access tto this sourcecode, stkeeps as an example.

But I see this totally pontless discuss this with you cause you had always spread FUD and trolled about this issues already since the begin and you will never understand that your totally wrong about this.

abill_uk

07-31-2011, 12:23 PM

and you totally forget that the n900CE team has access tto this sourcecode, stkeeps as an example.

But I see this totally pontless discuss this with you cause you had always spread FUD and trolled about this issues already since the begin and you will never understand that your totally wrong about this.

Can i remind you that this thread is about the N9 and not really for the N900 and your ce release that you keep preaching about but never any news on this forum about this fantastic os that they have had source of now for months.

This is actually a N9 thread. ;)

mikecomputing

07-31-2011, 12:31 PM

Can i remind you that this thread is about the N9 and not really for the N900 and your ce release that you keep preaching about but never any news on this forum about this fantastic os that they have had source of now for months.

This is actually a N9 thread. ;)

now can I remind you why we started discuss this?

SUPPORT! You said there will not be any support for N9 but actually there is support also for N900. Means your and others is just trolling when saying Meego is dead.

N900CE
N950CE
N9CE soon to be released.

all maintained by employers inside and outside Nokia.

Have this make it clear for you? Or you will continue trying make fun of this facts!?

Chuck Norris

07-31-2011, 12:33 PM

momcilo

07-31-2011, 12:35 PM

This quote from Elop himself should be proof enough:
"The N9 will be supported by Nokia in the years to come to ensure customers are well served."
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/07/31/straight-from-the-elops-mouth/
Thank you for the link,but...

My personal experience with nokia that several years of support means one year of support to fix some of the issues.

I would trust the quoted Elop's responses if he did digitally signed them using private key associated with his qualified certificate. Anything less than that is not solid.

It looks like we just have to sit, wait, hope, and compare with comparatives.

mikecomputing

07-31-2011, 12:37 PM

Well i sincerely hope your right because if not !.

We will see, been there done that with the N900.... remember ;)

By the way that link is NOT from Nokia so if you believe it then up to you ok.

N900 IS still active supported by Nokia employers in form of N900CE with help of the community (this means NOT you and other whiners and trolls) we actually has longer life for N900

again you FAIL.

mikecomputing

07-31-2011, 12:45 PM

Not all peoples act the same way when there face contradictory informations. But the point is not to react to the individual view in a such situation, because there will be very different behaviors. It's a fact on how the human brain work at the individual scale. Some will talk about official statement, some talk about current product release, some talk about there hope, etc... The point is to realize that there is currently different possible interpretation of the available informations. And this will continue this way until there will be a more coherent set of information, that will assert some previous info and withdraw some others previous info.

Very simply put, the problem is:
* Nokia officially say his future is WP only.
* Nokia officially release a brand new Meego N9.
* Lot of reactions external to Nokia acclaim the Meego N9 and challenge the WP only future decision.

Now there is two basic directions:
1) Continue WP only. Nokia value will fall because it kill it own Meego value (and actually the only one that is publicly acclaimed for that matter, as WP is just WP as already do Samsung or HTC).
2) Continue Meego. Nokia value will fall because of the hug loss in effort in a pointless WP development.

Clearly Nokia need something more subtle to expect a rise of his value. But what ? This is the question for me.

Even when Nokia goes WP it doesnt mean N9 will not be supported. N9 != WP. WP != Meego people want N9. Some people prefer WP some prefer even S40 so Nokia may very well support all of them if theyr smart. But trolls like abill_uk doesnt wantt this too happen.

Again! Nokia sweden has said many time that N9 will be supported for long. It may be true N9 will not have 20000 apps but thats a different story. Personally I dont care. My N900 still pissing on some Androids, Iphone and N9 will for sure pissing on many new Android too and Iphones and WP:s

mikecomputing

07-31-2011, 12:49 PM

All the links that people are posting on here are NOT from Nokia so why will anyone believe?.

Swedish Nokia has said it and personally I beleive more in them than trolls like you.

momcilo

07-31-2011, 01:02 PM

Swedish Nokia has said it and personally I beleive more in them than trolls like you.

Mike, swedish Nokia is there to sell (and repair) phones to people of Sweden. Anything they announce about availability of N9 is probably rock solid.

However, they can not vouch for the several years of support, because somebody else decides/decided on that.

One of the major reasons Apple is the biggest smart phone manufacturer today is "loyality" to/of the customer. IOS always supports last 2-3 devices. It means that people who bought iPhone 3GS, will most likely have latest ios, and continue to spend their money in apple store.

Keeping people to your platform is more important than selling a brand new cell phone.

mikecomputing

07-31-2011, 01:14 PM

Mike, swedish Nokia is there to sell (and repair) phones to people of Sweden. Anything they announce about availability of N9 is probably rock solid.

However, they can not vouch for the several years of support, because somebody else decides/decided on that.

One of the major reasons Apple is the biggest smart phone manufacturer today is "loyality" to/of the customer. IOS always supports last 2-3 devices. It means that people who bought iPhone 3GS, will most likely have latest ios, and continue to spend their money in apple store.

Keeping people to your platform is more important than selling a brand new cell phone.

Again I beleive more in that than I belevieve trolls and whiners in this forum.

Just an example: there are plenty of people on this forum saying N900 is not supported this actually is false!

People also totaly forget the facts that both Symbian and soon S40 and Meego is using much of the same so called "ecosystem" in form of Qt. This was NOT the case of N900 and old symbian where both used totallyu different API.

So if all trolls here are right well then S40 is also not supported in the long run...

And Nokia goes WP for everything and well if trolöl here beleive this happens I must ROTFL.

Again there is no chance Nokia can go only WPx they need S40+Qt and Meego

gerbick

07-31-2011, 01:16 PM

Again I beleive more in that than I belevieve trolls and whiners in this forum.

Just an example: there are plenty of people on this forum saying N900 is not supported this actually is false!

Define support.

jalyst

07-31-2011, 01:16 PM

One of the major reasons Apple is the biggest smart phone manufacturer today is "loyality" to/of the customer. IOS always supports last 2-3 devices. It means that people who bought iPhone 3GS, will most likely have latest ios, and continue to spend their money in apple store.

It's possible a similar pattern could kick-in for N9, being the 1st truly commercial Maemo/MeeGo device they've released.

"If" Nokia doesn't continue to limit MeeGo's chances of getting traction...
Or "if" it gets enough traction regardless, so they decide to continue MeeGo (once /yr) alongside WP.

abill_uk

07-31-2011, 01:20 PM

Define support.

This should be interesting ;)

mikecomputing

07-31-2011, 01:23 PM

Define support.

The app framework (In this case Qt) and bugfixes.

That doesnt mean include latest Adobe Flash like some whiners here want on N900.

jalyst

07-31-2011, 01:23 PM

This quote from Elop himself should be proof enough:
"The N9 will be supported by Nokia in the years to come to ensure customers are well served."
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/07/31/straight-from-the-elops-mouth/

I see he's spouting some of the same FUD he did at the beginning of the yr:
"MeeGo effort could not quickly enough deliver us a range of solutions across price points, radio technologies, etc. for us to effectively compete, so we had to make an alternative decision."

It's more vague this time....
But it looks like he's trying to cite: "MeeGo's inability to adapt quickly to diff. hardware platforms" again.

That was thoroughly debunked by one of his own employees.
http://felipec.wordpress.com/2011/06/21/my-disagreement-with-elop-on-meego/

Some of his other argument for the switch held more water (kinda).
But he held-up this one as one of the single biggest reasons, which kinda undermines his integrity.

abill_uk

07-31-2011, 01:31 PM

I see he's spouting some of the same FUD he did at the beginning of the yr:
"MeeGo effort could not quickly enough deliver us a range of solutions across price points, radio technologies, etc. for us to effectively compete, so we had to make an alternative decision."

It's more vague this time....
But it looks like he's trying to cite: "MeeGo's inability to adapt quickly to diff. hardware platforms" again.

That was thoroughly debunked by one of his own employees.
http://felipec.wordpress.com/2011/06/21/my-disagreement-with-elop-on-meego/

Some of his other argument for the switch held more water (kinda).
But he held-up this one as one of the single biggest reasons, which kinda undermines his integrity.

You kinda hit the nail then and i was thinking erlier, would we have a rebellion within Nokia if the employee's wanted to clearly support the N9?.

gerbick

07-31-2011, 01:34 PM

The app framework (In this case Qt) and bugfixes.

Since the N9 and N900 both use the same ARM processor, not too surprised there. Don't forget that the N8x0's are no longer supported for Qt. Give it time, it will happen in that area as well for the lower spec'd N900.

But no MicroB updates is a problem - can't run Google+ well/at all. Modest is open source, but no major updates there. The WONTFIX issues aren't fixed on the N900.

I wouldn't call that support. It's just yet to be considered obsolete by the frameworks you mentioned. N810 can't go above Qt 4.5 (or 4.6, I forget) and yet it runs Qt.

I'd personally rethink using the term support.

mikecomputing

07-31-2011, 01:39 PM

It's possible a similar pattern could kick-in for N9, being the 1st truly commercial Maemo/MeeGo device they've released.

"If" Nokia doesn't continue to limit MeeGo's chances of getting traction...
Or "if" it gets enough traction regardless, so they decide to continue MeeGo (once /yr) alongside WP.

We already knows that the directorsboard is not intrested in Meego. BUT what is more bad is that TMO is more FUD and troll forum than MrFlop atm...

To me it seems most people here WANT N9 to fail. Maybe they have been blinded by Android/IOS and/or WP I dont know...

big chame for the open source community. And yes I know not all is open on N9 but still its more open than WP and IOS and true Linux. possibly also more open than Android :(

abill_uk

07-31-2011, 01:42 PM

We already knows that the directorsboard is not intrested in Meego. BUT what is nmore bad is that TMO is more FUD and troll forum than MrFlop atm...

To me it seems most people here WANT N9 to fail. Mayb e they have been blinded by7 Android/IOS and/or WP i dont know...

big chame for the open source community. Yes I know not all is open on N9 but still its more open than WP and IOS. and possibly Android.

Your convincing me you don't have a clue what your on about.

If you think people including me want the N9 to fail then you really need to see a doctor !.

Support for your information can only come from the company that manufactured the device unless it passes that on to another body and in this case it has not ! rather it ceased support full stop.

MeeGo is NOT support for the N900 and neither is MeeGo CE !.

The N9 will make or break Nokia and if it does not do that it will force Nokia employee's in my opinion into a rebellion against Elop.

Chuck Norris

07-31-2011, 01:46 PM

They don't want N9 to fail. (well most of them don't) They are only here to get some attention.

So what ever nokia say or do its just bad. N9 is bad. Support is bad and so forth. And the most intressing part is that they are coming here over and over and over again and say the same thing :D Just love it...

momcilo

07-31-2011, 01:50 PM

Just an example: there are plenty of people on this forum saying N900 is not supported this actually is false!

Mike, I don't share your opinion on this.

The term support is something that comes from the manufacturers. In consumer electronics, it means the following: if there is a issue that can cause group actions or damage reputation we will fix it.

As for support you are referring to, it is called FOSS. It allows end users and developers to modify the running software WITHOUT support from manufacturer. It is a freedom, true freedom.

Unfortunately Nokia has made sure that the only community that can effectively modify the firmware is a Zombie community, controlled by Nokia, which is controlled through:

free developer device programs
closed source binaries for drivers.

They have recruited some developers to play "support" for the "community". That support will last as long as Nokia likes it. Then, they will pull out the plug, and the zombie will collapse.

BTW: have you noticed that some prominent members have disappeared approx. at the time the N950 developer devices have been sent out.

mikecomputing

07-31-2011, 01:51 PM

Since the N9 and N900 both use the same ARM processor, not too surprised there. Don't forget that the N8x0's are no longer supported for Qt. Give it time, it will happen in that area as well for the lower spec'd N900.

But no MicroB updates is a problem - can't run Google+ well/at all. Modest is open source, but no major updates there. The WONTFIX issues aren't fixed on the N900.

I wouldn't call that support. It's just yet to be considered obsolete by the frameworks you mentioned. N810 can't go above Qt 4.5 (or 4.6, I forget) and yet it runs Qt.

I'd personally rethink using the term support.

how old is N8xx? I mean no company will support forever. Not even Androids. And btw. Why isnt Qt supported on N8xx its opensource why is there no contribs making it work?

But what I mean with support is 2/3 years. In case of N900 support is N900CE and Meego that was was peopled wanted to happen for last year and also we wanted open source, Now when we have CE and open development people STILL complains wtf!!

I still say N900CE can kick asses if we get more people working on it. That means longer life for N900 and also improvement in case of Qt framework cause soon we hopefully have true opengl support in QML both on N9 official and CE

But it seems WE ALL prefer to whine more than contribute :-(

ysss

07-31-2011, 01:57 PM

http://desertpeace.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/grasping-at-straws1.jpg

Mike... take it easy...

jalyst

07-31-2011, 02:03 PM

On a side note, someone has already ported Midnight Commander.

w00t!

OK can you please post on here some link or links to prove what you are saying? because where i stand Nokia have already stated officially that Maemo AND MeeGo has been dropped alltogether thanks to mr wonderful Elop, for WP.
Now just where are you getting this information from?.
Did you even read what Nokia said about the N9 after it is going to be released?.

Have you been reading anything in this thread?
I'm sorry mate, but you srsly must learn to pay attention much more.
I actually don't mind Dan/Gerbick's input, even if it's constantly very negative.
Because they deliver it with some reason/knowledge, &or wit.

And you keep accusing people of being childish, & "stirring the pot".
When that's all you ever seem to do... :confused:
I don't think I've seen you make one post, that's actually interesting/informative.

The stuff you've posted in the past 48hrs has had zilch informative value, & merely highlights how uninformed you are.
At least when Gerbick/Dan try to make an argument, they back-it-up with some logic/rationale.
I'm sorry... but sometimes it's best to think, think, & think again, before posting.

All the links that people are posting on here are NOT from Nokia so why will anyone believe?.

Since when does Nokia have anything to do with when retailers/carriers release the N9?
Except for how soon the 1st country/retailers/carriers release it.
It'll vary immensely from region to region, & country to country, Nokia has little impact on that.

Given all the anecdotal evidence, & using basic reasoning/powers-of-deduction.
The best "guesstimates" so far...
Are that it may be as soon as late August for some countries, & the very end of Sept for others.

Chuck Norris

07-31-2011, 02:03 PM

GO and eat FUD, Yes, I'm pointing at you...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Xf5pV-80C8A/TVSbpi4_ujI/AAAAAAAAEqQ/-t1z5UAwv6M/s1600/fud.jpg

abill_uk

07-31-2011, 02:05 PM

mikecomputing

07-31-2011, 02:06 PM

Mike, I don't share your opinion on this.

The term support is something that comes from the manufacturers. In consumer electronics, it means the following: if there is a issue that can cause group actions or damage reputation we will fix it.

As for support you are referring to, it is called FOSS. It allows end users and developers to modify the running software WITHOUT support from manufacturer. It is a freedom, true freedom.

Unfortunately Nokia has made sure that the only community that can effectively modify the firmware is a Zombie community, controlled by Nokia, which is controlled through:

free developer device programs
closed source binaries for drivers.

They have recruited some developers to play "support" for the "community". That support will last as long as Nokia likes it. Then, they will pull out the plug, and the zombie will collapse.

BTW: have you noticed that some prominent members have disappeared approx. at the time the N950 developer devices have been sent out.

Yes I have noticed they have leaved but this is good for the N900CE. Cause if they start make apps for Harmattan using qt-components they can easy be backported to N900CE...

Qt-componets is already working on N900CE means most apps for n9 can work as long as they dont use eventsystem and/or swipe.

So N900CE is alive if more contribute and test it will continue. However it will die if people with negative attitude continues too flood this and Meego.com forum with FUD and dissinformation.

Cause no devs want to contribute if TMO is negative all the time thats ALSO a reason many has leaved this crap forum :(

Btw. Dont blame nokia for some drivers is Closed some is thirdparty mnanufactors (like TI) decisions. Same goes for Linux on desktop where Microsoft is feeding the graphics companys and make it IMPOSSIBLE for thbem to opensource the drivers :mad:

Also there is a reason some is closed even from Nokia (battery driver is one).

hotnikkelz

07-31-2011, 02:08 PM

@mike

When people here say support what they mean is that they want updates, more features. Bug fixes are important yes but minor in the grand scheme of things. You're trying to be technical but you know that's what people want and YOU know that's what people are talking about when they say support.

The n900 could've been better, would've been better if it had TRUE support as apple does with it's phones. The hardware of n900 was before it's time. I don't think anyone had a processor like that for instance. It was largely abandoned in the grand scheme of things.

Eventually of course support can only last so long, which is why the first apple iphone cannot get the apple updates (limited by hardware)
n900 did not have this hardware limitation

NOONE WANTS the n9 to fail. MOST EXPECT it to fail due to nokia's bad decision making and track record. It won't if Nokia is determined to not make it fail...which as you can see is not happening, because of Elop.

Chuck Norris

07-31-2011, 02:10 PM

What support could this community really give when it closed off source.

I used to talk like mike when i was a 12 year old ;).

I am starting to think he is a kid the way he is talking.

What? so you are not a kid?

might be that english isn't his first language. Have that ever hit your brain? Or are your brain working overtime to come up with the line of ****?

Go and pre-order n9 insead and save me some time please.

mikecomputing

07-31-2011, 02:11 PM

What support could this community really give when it closed off source.

I used to talk like mike when i was a 12 year old ;).

I am starting to think he is a kid the way he is talking.

abill_uk feels nice when people agree with you dont it?

Especially when you cant give a good response yourself and instead continue trolling.

abill_uk

07-31-2011, 02:12 PM

w00t!

Have you been reading anything in this thread?
I'm sorry mate, but you srsly must learn to pay attention much more.
I actually don't mind Dan/Gerbick's input, even if it's constantly very negative.
Because they deliver it with some reason/knowledge, &or wit.

And you keep accusing people of being childish, & "stirring the pot".
When that's all you ever seem to do... :confused:
I don't think I've seen you make one post, that's actually interesting/informative.

The stuff you've posted in the past 48hrs has had zilch informative value, & merely highlights how uninformed you are.
At least when Gerbick/Dan try to make an argument, they back-it-up with some logic/rationale.
I'm sorry... but sometimes it's best to think, think, & think again, before posting.

Since when does Nokia have anything to do with when retailers/carriers release the N9?
Except for how soon the 1st country/retailers/carriers release it.
It'll vary immensely from region to region, & country to country, Nokia has little impact on that.

Given all the anecdotal evidence, & using basic reasoning/powers-of-deduction.
The best "guesstimates" so far...
Are that it may be as soon as late August for some countries, & the very end of Sept for others.

And can you tell me of anybody that has official information ?.

This whole thread is based on thoughts with nothing to back anything up but when someone comes in and stated the N900 IS being supported then you begin to wonder !.

Hence the reason i have been asking for official rather than hearsay or empty links.

Chuck Norris

07-31-2011, 02:18 PM

Have you been like this your whole life?

try out the n9 before you start *****ing about it like you do. There is no official information. It's the same as all other brands. You always have to wait and see until its time for release.

gerbick

07-31-2011, 02:21 PM

how old is N8xx? I mean no company will support forever. Not even Androids. And btw. Why isnt Qt supported on N8xx its opensource why is there no contribs making it work?

Tad bit of contradiction here. N8x0 is now 3.5 years old. Qt not being supported on it will invariably happen to the N900; lack of interest.

N900 is almost 2 years old, lack of interest is already there. The folks with the N950 are largely gone, never to come back. This place, the council has all but stated this place will stop receiving funding sooner than later from Nokia.

And projects are shifting from the N900 to the N9. The Community editions tend to be the very last hurrah - that's if you consider the Hacker Editions the same as the Community Editions. Nothing came after them in terms of official support.

Support is basically over. Any updates to anything going forward is due to enthusiast support because they still use the device. And almost all of the N900 devs have N950's now.

Sad part, the 2 year old iPhone 3GS will get iOS 5. Officially.

The 20 month old N900 will not get official support. The community edition is supported by the community that's quickly going away. Sad.

tissot

07-31-2011, 02:22 PM

Honestly i find this imo useless discussion every 7-8 page to just go circles.
We all know N9 isn't going to sell amount that matters to Nokia or to the industry. Nokia isn't fully committed to it, like it wasn't for N900.

I could give a sh1t about support if the device works and i got access to xterminal. I did not ever recommend N900 to anybody over at MR forums, but if you like what you see NOW and know where you are jumping in, go for it.

Chuck Norris

07-31-2011, 02:27 PM

Totally agree with you. We have a few members keep pumping out the same questions and statments over and over again. That is why :)

abill_uk

07-31-2011, 02:28 PM

And the worst thing about all of this is, Nokia will go down, it is just a matter of time.

Chuck Norris

07-31-2011, 02:33 PM

And the worst thing about all of this is, Nokia will go down, it is just a matter of time.

Apple, SE have been in alot worse positions and they comeback pretty strong. But that is to hard for you to understand I guess. The were not market leaders, but even so, they were in alot more trouble than nokia is now. Nokia will be fine, just not with the same marketshare.

mikecomputing

07-31-2011, 02:37 PM

Totally agree with you. We have a few members keep pumping out the same questions and statments over and over again. That is why :)

I must admit that I am one of them so now I will stop and do:

sudo dd bs=4096 if=mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-ce-testing-1.2.0.90.10.20110722.4.DE.2011-07-25.1-mmcblk0p.raw of=/dev/sdg

and test instead of sitting here :D

catbus

07-31-2011, 02:39 PM

I thought that this is a chat room ... Ooh! This is a kindergarten...

N9 sale is probably very close to start "ummm..."

jalyst

07-31-2011, 02:41 PM

Unfortunately Nokia has made sure that the only community that can effectively modify the firmware is a Zombie community, controlled by Nokia, which is controlled through:

free developer device programs
closed source binaries for drivers.

(1)
What's the big deal about closed source binaries for drivers?
That's very common for most big OSS projects....

(2)
Hang on, Qt comps from Harmattan are to be reusable in Vanilla MeeGo & vice-versa.
They remain proprietary, & devs who want to use them must "theme" them differently.
But it remains leverage-able for devs outside the device program... :confused:
This is to ensure consistency in UI/apps between the two platforms, going forward.

They have recruited some developers to play "support" for the "community". That support will last as long as Nokia likes it. Then, they will pull out the plug, and the zombie will collapse.

Does Google recruit developers to support the "stock Android" community.
Or do they rely on the sheer momentum of 3rd party initiatives...
To provide updates/fixes outside the limits of the handset maker's updates/support?
I believe it's a combo right....

Maemo/MeeGo can't leverage 3rd parties to anywhere near the same scale.
And they won't be able to for some time (if ever), until they get enough critical mass.
But that doesn't mean you don't start somewhere, and try to get that ball rolling :confused:

Nothing I've read indicates things are closed in such a way, that collaboration between Nokia/MeeGo can't work.
And increasingly continue to cross-pollinate one another, as (if) momentum builds :confused:
Sure it's not more open that Maemo (less so in some ways), but in practical terms it doesn't matter.
The MeeGo community can/are building mechanisms to ensure the 2 projects still bounce-off each other.

Rauha

07-31-2011, 02:50 PM

abill_uk

07-31-2011, 02:56 PM

Having multiple personalities must be a helluva drug.

http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/3080/8e61a006609e405a8785cda2ecdec1cd.jpg

http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/3080/64ed1de824eb4b2ca741b79cba2b6f19.jpg

HAHAHA good one keep dreaming :p OK i have stirred you lot up enough now so over to you all to argue this out hahaha i am off....... got better things to do than talk nonsense :p

Lindegaard

07-31-2011, 03:00 PM

Has anybody else compiled a list of what's different between the N9 and N950? So far it seems as if the bluetooth chipset is in question - bluetooth 2.1 on the N950, bluetooth 4.0 on the N9 - and I think (unconfirmed) the gpu speed(s) are a bit different too.

If I've missed it, kindly point me to it. If it doesn't exist, then we should compile that list based off of official Nokia documentation. Asking the developer's might not be the best thing to do, just in case there are actually different iterations of the N950 device (could be).
But at the official launch the N9 and 950 have the same cortex8 1ghz and also the Bluetooth 4.0.

I can understand the confusion with the bluepaper/patent pending Meego device with 4.0 bluetooth. Maybe the had prepered the N9 or 950 with 4.0 but later on finding that it was too expensive or whatever.

The cpu speed/processor-type will be the cortex8 with 1ghz clock speed - I see little reason why they would say something at the press conference and later on change the info. I can see it could be a funny marketing stunt but if Nokia would do something like that, it would make sence on a Windows Phone device - not on a device that Nokia already have said they wouldn't put too much effort in.

However I would LOVE an N9 with a 1.2ghz or even better a cortex9 cpu fx 1ghz. Topping it off with bluetooth 4.0 would be great :D
- but it see it highly unlikely

When was the "leaked" meego with bt 4.0 device from? It would be nice with another meego device :)

catbus

07-31-2011, 03:03 PM

got better things to do than talk nonsense :p

Great news! Bye bye...

jalyst

07-31-2011, 03:10 PM

<SNIP>When was the "leaked" meego with bt 4.0 device from? It would be nice with another meego device :)

Read from here (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74246&page=12) to the last page to see where BT4 for N9 is at.
Basically still a big question mark, but still a possibility...

Rauha

07-31-2011, 03:12 PM

Has anybody else compiled a list of what's different between the N9 and N950?
Meegousers.com did.

Difference between Nokia N9 and N950 (http://www.meegousers.com/1592/difference-between-nokia-n9-and-n950/)

jalyst

07-31-2011, 03:15 PM

danramos

07-31-2011, 03:49 PM

And the worst thing about all of this is, Nokia will go down, it is just a matter of time.

WILL go down? Or IS going down? I don't think Nokia will shut its doors--but I suspect it will fall fast, then slow its fall as it nears shutting down entirely and it'll probably just linger there for a long time. Pure speculation, mind you.

I agree with the parallels to Apple history. It does look like Nokia is repeating a LOT of Apple's history--even the looming figure of Microsoft there to "help out." Apple was smart enough to divorce themselves from Microsoft's "help" before damage can be done and they didn't let Microsoft change anything. It doesn't seem as if that's going to be the case with Nokia, since they've switched to MS's OS and there's a whole LOT more sharing between these two companies--almost as if Nokia was bought and owned, unlike Apple's situation.

danramos

07-31-2011, 03:50 PM

That's a very old article, likely to have some out-of-date info.
That's an old post of gerbick's too (well... over 24hrs anyway)
Think this thread has already been mentioned: Nokia N950 vs Nokia N9 (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74802&page=7)

He had earlier pointed out that he tried to get that info out of that thread before but was shot down because he's not a developer and how dare he pollute the N950 vs N9 thread with questions about the differences if he's not one of them.

jalyst

07-31-2011, 04:01 PM

unfuccwittable

07-31-2011, 04:16 PM

The Qn that started it all eventually got answered (as best as it can now).
After things calmed down...

TBH I never completely got the utter indignation Gerbick was feeling.
"Water under the bridge" now anyway... hopefully!? *shrugs*

Shock horror, Engadget story on the N9! ;)
http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/30/orange-switzerland-is-expecting-nokias-n9-on-september-15th/
I told you guys Engadget wouldn't post about it again until there was a rumored release date. ETA on next Engadget N9 post is in about a month (approximately) when it becomes available in some random country like the Ukraine.

gerbick

07-31-2011, 04:17 PM

The Qn that started it all eventually got answered (as best as it can now).
After things calmed down...

I can remember when I was beta testing some very popular professional software and was an active part of that community. It's clearly stated what you can and cannot talk about.

Simple questions about a certain advertised feature should never be met with "I'll never tell you" type of responses. I personally have a serious issue with that. If you're part of the privileged part of the community, you don't owe them anything, but you shouldn't exactly hold your position over others.

TBH I never completely got the utter indignation Gerbick was feeling.

See above.

"Water under the bridge" now anyway... hopefully!? *shrugs*

Indeed. Final nail in the coffin in my curiosity.

Shock horror, Engadget story on the N9! ;)
http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/30/orange-switzerland-is-expecting-nokias-n9-on-september-15th/

I'm equally surprised. Too bad it's not about anything that will affect users outside of that country.

momcilo

07-31-2011, 04:40 PM

So N900CE is alive if more contribute and test it will continue. However it will die if people with negative attitude continues too flood this and Meego.com forum with FUD and dissinformation.

Cause no devs want to contribute if TMO is negative all the time thats ALSO a reason many has leaved this crap forum :(

I think they left, because there are no rational reasons for them to stick here. No action is happening here. This is not the place you apply for N950

Btw. Dont blame nokia for some drivers is Closed some is thirdparty mnanufactors (like TI) decisions. Same goes for Linux on desktop where Microsoft is feeding the graphics companys and make it IMPOSSIBLE for thbem to opensource the drivers :mad:

Nokia has chosen closed-source components for 6 times in a row?
It is very difficult to believe that nokia is making 6 devices with closed sourced drivers accidentally. The closed-source drivers were the issue even with 770 which was the first device.
You know how they say: once is accident, twice is coincidence, ...

Also there is a reason some is closed even from Nokia (battery driver is one).

If you are referring to the exploding batteries, let me remind you that the same technology is used in many laptops, and you still don't get closed source driver for battery charging.

I don't like being negative, but after 770, I've bought N810 with firm intention to be a common user.

At the moment I am in a waiting state when it comes to acquiring a new device. There are some android devices, there is the n9, there are even some linux based devices.

So no FUD here and no trolling on my behalf.

mikecomputing

07-31-2011, 05:08 PM

WILL go down? Or IS going down? I don't think Nokia will shut its doors--but I suspect it will fall fast, then slow its fall as it nears shutting down entirely and it'll probably just linger there for a long time. Pure speculation, mind you.

I agree with the parallels to Apple history. It does look like Nokia is repeating a LOT of Apple's history--even the looming figure of Microsoft there to "help out." Apple was smart enough to divorce themselves from Microsoft's "help" before damage can be done and they didn't let Microsoft change anything. It doesn't seem as if that's going to be the case with Nokia, since they've switched to MS's OS and there's a whole LOT more sharing between these two companies--almost as if Nokia was bought and owned, unlike Apple's situation.

History has shown:

IBM DOS -> Microsoft DOS
IBM in cooperate with Microsoft doing nextgen Graphical UserInterface after Win3.1 named OS Warp. But then "hey lets rape IBM copy the code and implement in Windows 95"

Same could happen with Nokia: Rape them, steal best lowlevel engineers work for WPx and also engineers from QtQuick and webkit engineer implement it in WP7....

But this time Microsoft will FAIL cause the engineers may very well go work for Intel with Meego or Google instead...

momcilo

07-31-2011, 05:28 PM

But this time Microsoft will FAIL cause the engineers may very well go work for Intel with Meego or Google instead...

Single, young developers may afford to GoGoogle. Fortunately the majority has families. That will made them do whatever nokia/microsoft want, because people have to keep their jobs.

Do you remember the N9 announcement and the following "leaked" video announcing WF7?

The guy who presented the WF7 did not sound happy at all presenting SeaRay, which happened after N9 demonstration. Actually it was very clear that he did not feel comfortable saying nice things about WF7, he does not believe. It look he was forced to stand there by the firing squad.

Watch that part of the video and you will get my point.

mikecomputing

07-31-2011, 05:55 PM

Single, young developers may afford to GoGoogle. Fortunately the majority has families. That will made them do whatever nokia/microsoft want, because people have to keep their jobs.

Do you remember the N9 announcement and the following "leaked" video announcing WF7?

The guy who presented the WF7 did not sound happy at all presenting SeaRay, which happened after N9 demonstration. Actually it was very clear that he did not feel comfortable saying nice things about WF7, he does not believe. It look he was forced to stand there by the firing squad.

Watch that part of the video and you will get my point.

you have a point about family etc... but I still beleive they will fail its year >2000 people knows better. even poor countrys will start fight corrupt companys and I see Microsoft as one of those. I dont like google has alot of marketing now but one thing they do right is to trust theyr engineers. If nokia thinks they can force engineer work with WP they will fail in the long run.

Now I actually will help feed the trols buy saying there already is alo of meego engineers who has left nokia....

But still I want to fight making this damn N9 too sucess and make sure MRFlop and Ballmer get very pissed cause of it :mad:

Meego is needed!

rentze

07-31-2011, 06:52 PM

Honestly i find this imo useless discussion every 7-8 page to just go circles.

Moreover, there is a pattern:

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Pillum

07-31-2011, 07:06 PM

and every 10th post is about how TMO and this thread is going down and how trolls take over :D

abill_uk

07-31-2011, 09:36 PM

(1)
What's the big deal about closed source binaries for drivers?
That's very common for most big OSS projects....

(2)
Hang on, Qt comps from Harmattan are to be reusable in Vanilla MeeGo & vice-versa.
They remain proprietary, & devs who want to use them must "theme" them differently.
But it remains leverage-able for devs outside the device program... :confused:
This is to ensure consistency in UI/apps between the two platforms, going forward.

Does Google recruit developers to support the "stock Android" community.
Or do they rely on the sheer momentum of 3rd party initiatives...
To provide updates/fixes outside the limits of the handset maker's updates/support?
I believe it's a combo right....

Maemo/MeeGo can't leverage 3rd parties to anywhere near the same scale.
And they won't be able to for some time (if ever), until they get enough critical mass.
But that doesn't mean you don't start somewhere, and try to get that ball rolling :confused:

Nothing I've read indicates things are closed in such a way, that collaboration between Nokia/MeeGo can't work.
And increasingly continue to cross-pollinate one another, as (if) momentum builds :confused:
Sure it's not more open that Maemo (less so in some ways), but in practical terms it doesn't matter.
The MeeGo community can/are building mechanisms to ensure the 2 projects still bounce-off each other.

Then as you hold all the answers why have you not we-written Maemo from start to finish so that we may have a perfect os?. ;)

What some are saying is true... this thread goes full circle and starts again from square one.

At this rate we will all be dead and buried before anything happens :p.

This is why i start to take the pervebial and rant on.

abill_uk

07-31-2011, 09:42 PM

This thread is BORING me to death now, nothing new has ever been posted from the first page so i suggest we all start again :p.

Nokia is dying Maemo and MeeGo is dead MeeGo CE never took off and died the N900 died before it even got released AND the N950 is a useless pointless excersize as it will go nowhere past free developers.

The N9 is a mystery and Nokia pulled the plug on Elop got him out and started from fresh to develop Maemo and raise MeeGo from the dead for the N9.

OK now?.

abill_uk

07-31-2011, 09:46 PM

Oh by the way Elop got shot today by the rebellious Nokia staff and Nokia pulled out of the merger with Microsoft.

Nokia stocks instantly hit an all time high with the news that they are back in business as Nokia.

WOW what a newsflash. :D

abill_uk

07-31-2011, 09:52 PM

Mikecomputing got all his wishes come true bless him :D.

jalyst

08-01-2011, 01:17 AM

Simple questions about a certain advertised feature should never be met with "I'll never tell you" type of responses. I personally have a serious issue with that. If you're part of the privileged part of the community, you don't owe them anything, but you shouldn't exactly hold your position over others.

Well, you have to admit, your initial posting wasn't exactly cordial.
So I'm not sure why you'd expect all sweetness in terms of a response.
While you two battled it out, it eventually got clarified anyway*
So that's at least one less vague thing surrounding the N9! :)

*as best is reasonably possible for now.

Then as you hold all the answers why have you not we-written Maemo from start to finish so that we may have a perfect os?. ;)

What some are saying is true... this thread goes full circle and starts again from square one.
At this rate we will all be dead and buried before anything happens :p.
This is why i start to take the pervebial and rant on.

What are you talking about, I'm not saying I hold the answers.
Did you read & understand the post? I'm guessing not, once again.
How about displaying this bountiful knowledge you're the purveyor of.
By addressing anything you see as wrong with the points I made.
Instead of just making more pointless airy fairy remarks...

abill_uk

08-01-2011, 01:25 AM

Well, you have to admit, your initial posting wasn't exactly cordial.
So I'm not sure why you'd expect all sweetness in terms of a response.
While you two battled it out, it eventually got clarified anyway*
So that's at least one less vague thing surrounding the N9! :)

*as best is reasonably possible for now.

And you have to admit that your posts are not always "cordial" ;)

jalyst

08-01-2011, 01:34 AM

And you have to admit that your posts are not always "cordial" ;)

"pot calling kettle black" to infinity.

danramos

08-01-2011, 01:36 AM

danramos:
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abill_uk

08-01-2011, 01:40 AM

"pot calling kettle black" to infinity.

Your reply to me was serious when, like danramos i keep it low level serious and high level joke but you got too serious old chap ;)

Please try to temember we are all in this together and if truth come to truth we would all help eachother if the need ever arises :D.

danramos

08-01-2011, 01:48 AM

Your reply to me was serious when, like danramos i keep it low level serious and high level joke but you got too serious old chap ;)

Please try to temember we are all in this together and if truth come to truth we would all help eachother if the need ever arises :D.

I am serious... and don't call me Shirley.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/files/2011/07/ballmerelop.jpg

Here's some N9 scraps of news off the dinner table to keep some of you satisfied... or maybe the opposite of that:

In June, Elop offered an audience a glimpse of what looked like a Nokia N9 smartphone running Windows Phone. The N9, which currently runs a MeeGo operating system slated for mothballing by Nokia, married a curved 3.9-inch AMOLED (active-matrix organic LED) screen to a body engineered from a single piece of polycarbonate. The first Nokia devices running Windows Phone are slated to make their debut at the end of 2011.

News that Nokia will abandon its homegrown Symbian operating system, however, has led to a significant dip in Symbian handset sales, as customers flee the platform in favor of one that offers continuing support. That’s led to analyst pessimism about Nokia’s prospects over the next several quarters.

Source: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/Nokia-Reports-Losses-CEO-Elop-Claims-Reasons-for-Hope-719397/

jalyst

08-01-2011, 01:49 AM

Your reply to me was serious when, like danramos i keep it low level serious and high level joke but you got too serious old chap ;)

Wot? Sorry but your posts are nothing like Dan's.
And Dan doesn't always keep it "low level serious + high level joke".
I wouldn't characterize most of his posts like that at all.

He does sometimes make some light-hearted/witty posts.
Albeit usually with a heavy dose of cynicism...
Understandable given his experience with the platform, & level of built-up frustration.

Please try to temember we are all in this together and if truth come to truth we would all help eachother if the need ever arises :D.

LOL wot? :confused:

jalyst

08-01-2011, 01:55 AM

Here's some N9 scraps of news off the dinner table to keep some of you satisfied... or maybe the opposite of that:

In June, Elop offered an audience a glimpse of what looked like a Nokia N9 smartphone running Windows Phone. The N9, which currently runs a MeeGo operating system slated for mothballing by Nokia, married a curved 3.9-inch AMOLED (active-matrix organic LED) screen to a body engineered from a single piece of polycarbonate. The first Nokia devices running Windows Phone are slated to make their debut at the end of 2011.
News that Nokia will abandon its homegrown Symbian operating system, however, has led to a significant dip in Symbian handset sales, as customers flee the platform in favor of one that offers continuing support. That’s led to analyst pessimism about Nokia’s prospects over the next several quarters.

Source: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/Nokia-Reports-Losses-CEO-Elop-Claims-Reasons-for-Hope-719397/

Old news :D Although it's easy to understand why the conspiracy theories have built-up so massively.
Some of the stuff that's been done/planned, & the way it's been handled, can't be due to sheer stupidity alone.
Surely...

abill_uk

08-01-2011, 01:57 AM

Wot? Sorry but your posts are nothing like Dan's.
And Dan doesn't always keep it "low level serious + high level joke".
I wouldn't characterize most of his posts like that at all.

He does sometimes make some light-hearted/witty posts.
Albeit usually with a heavy dose of cynicism...
Understandable given his experience with the platform, & level of built-up frustration.

LOL wot? :confused:

With all due respect you know absolutely nothing about me or my expertise but i can tell you you will be extremely hard pushed to find a better hardware engineer than myself where ever you look on this planet.

I am not a software engineer and that field i leave to the pro's but this community seems to be left with all the folk who also seem really fed up sometimes hence the reason i am hardly ever serious.

WOT :confused: ;)

abill_uk

08-01-2011, 02:01 AM

I would say that 99% of people on this foum feel cynical in one way or another because of what Nokia have done to us all, in one way or another.

What matters most is we all keep it low level but so easy to let loose considering the built up frustration in general.

jalyst

08-01-2011, 02:05 AM

^ sigh, okay, carry on.

abill_uk

08-01-2011, 02:09 AM

^ sigh, okay, carry on.

OK i see your high and mighty so we will leave it at that shall we :D

EDIT We should call you Sir Jalyst from here on :p.

sjgadsby

08-01-2011, 02:14 AM

OK i see your high and mighty...

Woah! Yeah, zip that up, will you?

jalyst

08-01-2011, 02:16 AM

OK i see your high and mighty so we will leave it at that shall we :D

EDIT We should call you Sir Jalyst from here on :p.

Nope.
I just couldn't keep up with the interesting arguments/points you were making,
So I conceded defeat & said: "carry on". :rolleyes:

danramos

08-01-2011, 02:20 AM

Old news :D Although it's easy to understand why the conspiracy theories have built-up so massively.
Some of the stuff that's been done/planned, & the way it's been handled, can't be due to sheer stupidity alone.
Surely...

Is it a conspiracy if it's public and there are provable droves and waves of people abandoning a brand for better support elsewhere? Hell, even the workers didn't make any secret of Elop's direction: http://venturebeat.com/2011/02/11/nokia-workers-walk-out/

Here's some more old news for review, then, just to keep in mind regarding why people are jumping ship for support reasons:
Stephen Elop says Nokia will leave MeeGo even if N9 turns out to be a hit (http://dkgadget.com/stephen-elop-says-nokia-will-leave-meego-even-if-n9-turns-out-to-be-a-hit/)

So much for conspiracy. Makes buying an N9 for the purpose of "proving Elop wrong" pretty fruitless, doesn't it? Even worse, people expecting some sort of support after all these actions. Elop is either lying to them about support, or he's clinically stupid. Possibly both.

Wot? Sorry but your posts are nothing like Dan's.
And Dan doesn't always keep it "low level serious + high level joke".
I wouldn't characterize most of his posts like that at all.

He does sometimes make some light-hearted/witty posts.
Albeit usually with a heavy dose of cynicism...
Understandable given his experience with the platform, & level of built-up frustration.

There we go.. a less light-hearted posting for ya. ;) Seared on the outside and heavy on the cynicism, just as you ordered. In all seriousness, though, you're absolutely right on my view and the reasoning.

abill_uk

08-01-2011, 02:21 AM

Nope.
I just couldn't keep up with the interesting arguments/points you were making,
So I conceded defeat & said: "carry on". :rolleyes:

Except that your sarcasm and wit clash :p but i have to admit you make some very good posts ;).

jalyst

08-01-2011, 02:28 AM

Is it a conspiracy if it's public and there are provable droves and waves of people abandoning a brand for better support elsewhere? Hell, even the workers didn't make any secret of Elop's direction: http://venturebeat.com/2011/02/11/nokia-workers-walk-out/

Here's some more old news for review, then, just to keep in mind regarding why people are jumping ship for support reasons:
Stephen Elop says Nokia will leave MeeGo even if N9 turns out to be a hit (http://dkgadget.com/stephen-elop-says-nokia-will-leave-meego-even-if-n9-turns-out-to-be-a-hit/).

By conspiracy theories, I was referring mainly to the "trojan sent by MS" angle.
Regarding that second article. Please, it's been debated to the nth degree.
We know that it's far from fully verified, that he said anything like that...

And even if he did, leaders can & do change their mind all the time, that's part of being one.
But 1st the community needs to rally so effectively*, that he has no choice but to concede it's dumb to ditch Harmattan/MeeGo-Core entirely.
It may be wishful thinking, but it's the only option we have, if we want an alternative to Android LT.

*even in the face of limitations.

danramos

08-01-2011, 02:31 AM

Woah! Yeah, zip that up, will you?

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/4/11/129154915535844792.jpg

abill_uk

08-01-2011, 02:32 AM

Question everyone must be asking.... what has Nokia let themselves in for taking on Elop?.

danramos

08-01-2011, 02:35 AM

By conspiracy theories, I was referring mainly to the "trojan sent by MS" angle.

Ah, understandable... but man, it's one HELL of a coincidence of events if it's not an intentional plan.

Regarding that second article. Please, it's been debated to the nth degree.
We know that it's far from fully verified, that he said anything like that.

I certainly has been debated a lot, hasn't it? Do actions speak louder than words? I think so. We'll see. (http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2011/6/7/nokia-2011-analysis-the-heart-has-stopped.aspx) It's debatable, too, that he's a real leader--one that could admit that he should turn the ship around.

Mandibela

08-01-2011, 02:35 AM

Here's some more old news for review, then, just to keep in mind regarding why people are jumping ship for support reasons:
Stephen Elop says Nokia will leave MeeGo even if N9 turns out to be a hit (http://dkgadget.com/stephen-elop-says-nokia-will-leave-meego-even-if-n9-turns-out-to-be-a-hit/)

So much for conspiracy. Makes buying an N9 for the purpose of "proving Elop wrong" pretty fruitless, doesn't it? Even worse, people expecting some sort of support after all these actions. Elop is either lying to them about support, or he's clinically stupid. Possibly both.

There we go.. a less light-hearted posting for ya. ;) Seared on the outside and heavy on the cynicism, just as you ordered. In all seriousness, though, you're absolutely right on my view and the reasoning.

May I remind you, as a Finnish native having red the original article to which you are referring to, that the original printed article was pretty focused on the main modus of operation for Nokia. In context, it is understood that Elop was referring to the Main Platform for Nokia smart phones, the WM7. He was reassuring that even in the case where N9 would become extremely successful, the Main Platform for Nokia would not be the OS in the N9 - i.e. MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan.

No other mention of the in-context small portion of the N9 and it's future, which was in the powerpoints released earlier still in the 'future disruptions' dept.

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08-01-2011, 02:50 AM

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abill_uk

08-01-2011, 02:50 AM

He was reassuring that even in the case where N9 would become extremely successful, the Main Platform for Nokia would not be the OS in the N9 - i.e. MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan.

That statement alone is not good for a company that needs to come back from the depths.

It is sounding very cynical and, why can't a company the size of Nokia run the 2 together? ie WP7 AND MeeGo.

Damming statement to read from any outsider looking in so i am not suprised people are unhappy with that.

danramos

08-01-2011, 02:59 AM

May I remind you, as a Finnish native having red the original article to which you are referring to, that the original printed article was pretty focused on the main modus of operation for Nokia. In context, it is understood that Elop was referring to the Main Platform for Nokia smart phones, the WM7. He was reassuring that even in the case where N9 would become extremely successful, the Main Platform for Nokia would not be the OS in the N9 - i.e. MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan.

No other mention of the in-context small portion of the N9 and it's future, which was in the powerpoints released earlier still in the 'future disruptions' dept.

Small detail first: You mean WP7 (Windows Mobile != Windows Phone... a detail Microsoft particularly wishes to make clear is that Windows Phone 7 is a new OS from the bottom up).

Given Elop's slobbering wet kiss to Balmer over Windows Phone 7, and Microsoft's paranoia over Linux and their long history of intentions to quash competition through agreements and contracts, I'm not convinced that you've made the headline I quoted any less valid.

Can the council or anybody in the community have the ability to ask him point-blank whether he would be publicly willing to admit that he would consider re-allocating focus and funds onto the MeeGo platform if the N9 sells above a threshold? That type of deal with the community might help boost sales and create a large, free marketing workforce so long as there is that promise of support and openness with the community--something that Nokia has been severely lacking for a long time is communication with their customers and communities. This would go a long way to repairing that very quickly.

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08-01-2011, 03:05 AM

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danramos

08-01-2011, 03:09 AM

OK i see your high and mighty so we will leave it at that shall we :D

EDIT We should call you Sir Jalyst from here on :p.

I would like to formally complain about the illegal use of the word "Sir" here. :)

PS - Yes, some of us have been around long enough to remember this talk.MAEMO.org meme. ;)

Chuck Norris

08-01-2011, 03:12 AM

I guess the n9 will sell very well in several small countrys but not so much worldwide sin the limitation of number of countries for the release. And that is great and i'm happy with a phone with a new great OS. I will also buy a WP later on of the same reason. So for me, N900 was/is great and i'm sure N9 will be excellent. Who cares about sales number when buying a new phone. Buy the phone!

abill_uk

08-01-2011, 03:12 AM

Small detail first: You mean WP7 (Windows Mobile != Windows Phone... a detail Microsoft particularly wishes to make clear is that Windows Phone 7 is a new OS from the bottom up).

Given Elop's slobbering wet kiss to Balmer over Windows Phone 7, and Microsoft's paranoia over Linux and their long history of intentions to quash competition through agreements and contracts, I'm not convinced that you've made the headline I quoted any less valid.

Can the council or anybody in the community have the ability to ask him point-blank whether he would be publicly willing to admit that he would consider re-allocating focus and funds onto the MeeGo platform if the N9 sells above a threshold? That type of deal with the community might help boost sales and create a large, free marketing workforce so long as there is that promise of support and openness with the community--something that Nokia has been severely lacking for a long time is communication with their customers and communities. This would go a long way to repairing that very quickly.

Why are Nokia only making 92000 units of N9? and what will happen if and when all are sold in a time they did not expect?.

Does this mean they will manufacture more units or is it as said they wil only produce no matter what happens 92000 units?.

abill_uk

08-01-2011, 03:14 AM

I would like to formally complain about the illegal use of the word "Sir" here. :)

PS - Yes, some of us have been around long enough to remember this talk.MAEMO.org meme. ;)

HAHA yes they were the good old days :D

EDIT you know this thread is still on file hahahahaha

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51864

Chuck Norris

08-01-2011, 03:17 AM

Why are Nokia only making 92000 units of N9? and what will happen if and when all are sold in a time they did not expect?.

Does this mean they will manufacture more units or is it as said they wil only produce no matter what happens 92000 units?.

92000 is the not a number you have to care about. we dont know if that is offical or not. 92000 can be the number och stupid questions you asking here before you leave. we dont know. Nokia dont tell us anything about it.

jalyst

08-01-2011, 03:24 AM

Why are Nokia only making 92000 units of N9? and what will happen if and when all are sold in a time they did not expect?.

Does this mean they will manufacture more units or is it as said they wil only produce no matter what happens 92000 units?.

You believe a no. started by Eldar months before the N9's announcement, & originally attributed to the N950.
But then quickly switched to the N9... to suit his typical tea leaf reading methods. :confused:

abill_uk

08-01-2011, 03:27 AM

You believe a no. started by Eldar months before the N9's official announcement, & originally attributed to the N950.
But then quickly switched to the N9... to suit his typical tea leaf reading methods. :confused:

Well i am as confused as anyone regarding this so i guess we will just have to wait and see?.

Your probably right too.

keflex

08-01-2011, 03:32 AM

Small detail first: You mean WP7 (Windows Mobile != Windows Phone... a detail Microsoft particularly wishes to make clear is that Windows Phone 7 is a new OS from the bottom up).

Given Elop's slobbering wet kiss to Balmer over Windows Phone 7, and Microsoft's paranoia over Linux and their long history of intentions to quash competition through agreements and contracts, I'm not convinced that you've made the headline I quoted any less valid.

Can the council or anybody in the community have the ability to ask him point-blank whether he would be publicly willing to admit that he would consider re-allocating focus and funds onto the MeeGo platform if the N9 sells above a threshold? That type of deal with the community might help boost sales and create a large, free marketing workforce so long as there is that promise of support and openness with the community--something that Nokia has been severely lacking for a long time is communication with their customers and communities. This would go a long way to repairing that very quickly.

yeah i'm sure that both members of this forum that would sway would make a massive difference to nokia's bottom line

I really feel like making a thread dedicated to dissecting every point made here and showing why you're ******s. that cool?

Chuck Norris

08-01-2011, 03:33 AM

Well i am as confused as anyone regarding this so i guess we will just have to wait and see?.

Your probably right too.

you right in your first five words. You belive in messages from eldar but not when it comes from nokia poeple. Nice, keep it up...

jalyst

08-01-2011, 03:33 AM

Can the council or anybody in the community have the ability to ask him point-blank whether he would be publicly willing to admit that he would consider re-allocating focus and funds onto the MeeGo platform if the N9 sells above a threshold? That type of deal with the community might help boost sales and create a large, free marketing workforce so long as there is that promise of support and openness with the community--something that Nokia has been severely lacking for a long time is communication with their customers and communities. This would go a long way to repairing that very quickly.

I would actually be interested in that....
An approach/outreach from the MeeGo community not TMO, for obvious reasons.
The questions/statement would have to be crafted very carefully though, IMO.
But IMO it's a bit too early to expect a public dialogue like that now.
Not until after the N9's been out for a while, and the 1st WP's imminent.

erzhik

08-01-2011, 03:38 AM

I contacted technodom.kz, they said August 26 is the correct date of their launch (+/- 1 day for customs clearance) and they will have all 3 colors, 16 and 64GB configs. Best part, it will be available in stores as well.

My gf is getting 2 so I could sell one on craigslist or smth. I am off to freeze myself until 26th.

danramos

08-01-2011, 03:57 AM

HAHA yes they were the good old days :D

EDIT you know this thread is still on file hahahahaha

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51864

Aaaand the zombie thread gets back up and keeps walking. ;)

ericsson

08-01-2011, 04:00 AM

The guy who presented the WF7 did not sound happy at all... ...Actually it was very clear that he did not feel comfortable saying nice things

Sounds like the average Finn to me.

Kozzi

08-01-2011, 04:12 AM

Mandibela

08-01-2011, 04:38 AM

Small detail first: You mean WP7 (Windows Mobile != Windows Phone... a detail Microsoft particularly wishes to make clear is that Windows Phone 7 is a new OS from the bottom up).

Ok, I give you that :D

Given Elop's slobbering wet kiss to Balmer over Windows Phone 7, and Microsoft's paranoia over Linux and their long history of intentions to quash competition through agreements and contracts, I'm not convinced that you've made the headline I quoted any less valid.

I was just reminding that maybe things aren't as black and white as you and MANY others believe - which brings us to your next, valid, point:

Can the council or anybody in the community have the ability to ask him point-blank whether he would be publicly willing to admit that he would consider re-allocating focus and funds onto the MeeGo platform if the N9 sells above a threshold? That type of deal with the community might help boost sales and create a large, free marketing workforce so long as there is that promise of support and openness with the community--something that Nokia has been severely lacking for a long time is communication with their customers and communities. This would go a long way to repairing that very quickly.

I originally thought that by now he'd clarify his statements regarding MeeGo and the funding and stuff related to that... As he was pretty loquacious with the media and the public until that interview. I have to think that Elop/Nokia is still calculating the options ( - or frantically at work with the Mango phone). But that actually means that I (and others?) don't understand why he's just waiting as it clearly is harmful to Nokia as a whole and particularly to the N9 and it's future - this (F), U and D gives a nice, warm cushion to those who rather see Nokia going all the way down. I also do believe that the U.S. media drives the negative publicity towards Nokia all around the world as they prefer to support Google and Apple as they are U.S. based... But that's speculative as well :D

Just wait. Hard to see, the future is.

abill_uk

08-01-2011, 04:42 AM

Ok, I give you that :D

I was just reminding that maybe things aren't as black and white as you and MANY others believe - which brings us to your next, valid, point:

I originally thought that by now he'd clarify his statements regarding MeeGo and the funding and stuff related to that... As he was pretty loquacious with the media and the public until that interview. I have to think that Elop/Nokia is still calculating the options ( - or frantically at work with the Mango phone). But that actually means that I (and others?) don't understand why he's just waiting as it clearly is harmful to Nokia as a whole and particularly to the N9 and it's future - this (F), U and D gives a nice, warm cushion to those who rather see Nokia going all the way down. I also do believe that the U.S. media drives the negative publicity towards Nokia all around the world as they prefer to support Google and Apple as they are U.S. based... But that's speculative as well :D

Just wait. Hard to see, the future is.

Well said and i feel many think the same way as you have descibed.;)

Lindegaard

08-01-2011, 04:48 AM

It is sounding very cynical and, why can't a company the size of Nokia run the 2 together? ie WP7 AND MeeGo.

Becuase it is expensive?

I think many of us forget that Nokia is a company who needs to make profit and satisfy its stakeholders.

Mandibela

08-01-2011, 04:49 AM

Thanks, I'm usually the one pointing out the obvious...

The lack of communication is very frustrating, and the amount of mis-communication going on is maybe even more so.

marrat

08-01-2011, 04:49 AM

Damn N9... come here finally so I can buy you... I've lost my N900 yesterday... to my girlfriend! She tried it and now it's hers...

So I'm stuck with my N8 currently...

danramos

08-01-2011, 04:51 AM

I also do believe that the U.S. media drives the negative publicity towards Nokia all around the world as they prefer to support Google and Apple as they are U.S. based... But that's speculative as well :D

I don't think that's likely because many of the commentators in podcasts and in articles will admit that they had owned a Nokia in the past and really had hoped to see underdogs like Nokia and Palm and others restore their former glory, but the heads of companies like these often make the mistake of slipping up in their own hubris and never bother to listen to said commentators or customers, and it's very hard to come back from such falls. Sony is one such titan, falling hard lately. Nintendo's hubris produced the Nintendo 3DS rather than a handheld people really wanted (but then, they also tripped with the VirtualBoy, so maybe Nintendo just can't do 3D platforms adequately) and Apple very nearly disappeared into obscure computing history before they got Jobs back and he delivered what the customers wanted--if you're going to pay a lot for something, make sure it "just works", make it simple and make it high quality. The iPod (like it or not) was just what many people wanted and it saved the corporation's bacon. Nokia needs something like that. Windows Phone 7 has clearly shown that it is not what the majority of the purchasing public wanted... and Windows is a Microsoft product... a U.S. product. So, I doubt that's the problem for Nokia even in the U.S. media.

Just wait. Hard to see, the future is.

Agreed. As I'd said earlier, actions will speak louder than words but I strongly suspect Elop has designed this plan in such a way that disaster is inevitable and we'll never get to know whether he would be the type of CEO to admit he was wrong and turn things around.

abill_uk

08-01-2011, 04:55 AM

Becuase it is expensive?

I think many of us forget that Nokia is a company who needs to make profit and satisfy its stakeholders.

Yes your right it is expensive to pay software developers but as much as nobody in europe wishes to see Nokia go down, they should have made a better job of software in the past because lets face it is that that has brought them to there knee's.

If they are successful with WP7 i sure like to see them go full into MeeGo development and not to forget the wishes of exsisting customers because without that there stakeholders lose out and so do we.

danramos

08-01-2011, 05:02 AM

Becuase it is expensive?

I think many of us forget that Nokia is a company who needs to make profit and satisfy its stakeholders.

I could be wrong, but the stakeholders do not appear to be impressed with the new singular OS strategy Elop has chosen:

http://www.channelnews.com.au/Comment/B3V7K4R8
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20110727-706841.html
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2389465,00.asp
http://blogs.forbes.com/greatspeculations/2011/07/25/not-much-good-happening-at-nokia-stock-could-see-6-65/

http://news.smarthouse.com.au/images/shared/20110801104733ec969_215x140.jpg

ericsson

08-01-2011, 05:13 AM

http://www.gsmarena.com/orange_switzerland_to_unleash_the_nokia_n9_on_sept ember_15th-news-2948.php

tuxsavvy

08-01-2011, 05:17 AM

The funny irony is whilst when nokia's shares were falling dramatically after Flop sealed the deal with microsoft, the board of directors seemed to not even care about the massive loss. My guess is that either the nokia's board of directors were all smoking c****k or Flop was probably getting a r****b from each of the members on that board. :D Really it doesn't surprise me how Flop can still remain in power when nokia alone had to make many sacrifices after the signed deal with microsoft.

On the other hand, when N9 comes out I might go and buy it. I really don't care what happens at nokia. By the end of the day I get my own new linux powered meego device and that's all I care about. Should I really care if N9 will be the first and the last meego phone from nokia? no, because getting the N9 is the end result and not a vaporware.

Jedibeeftrix

08-01-2011, 05:28 AM

Stephen Elop says Nokia will leave MeeGo even if N9 turns out to be a hit (http://dkgadget.com/stephen-elop-says-nokia-will-leave-meego-even-if-n9-turns-out-to-be-a-hit/)

So much for conspiracy. Makes buying an N9 for the purpose of "proving Elop wrong" pretty fruitless, doesn't it? Even worse, people expecting some sort of support after all these actions. Elop is either lying to them about support, or he's clinically stupid. Possibly both.

Why would they?

They didn't ditch Meego as their lead platform because they thought no one would like it, they ditched it because they did not think they could grow MeeGo fast enough to have a shot at becoming the third big ecosystem.

So no, if Meego sells very well thank you very much they won't immediately tear up their long-term strategic plan and recreate a Meego platform division.

Expecting that would be daft!

Harmattan/linux will remain a project rather than a platform, with infrequent releases to test new ideas, but whether that dissociates itself with Meego is another matter, but Quim is pretty clear that linux/QT has a future at nokia even if he didn't use the word "Meego".

rfa

08-01-2011, 05:30 AM

Chuck Norris

08-01-2011, 05:43 AM

Guffaw

08-01-2011, 05:44 AM

Clue, where are you?

slider5

08-01-2011, 05:48 AM

Guys, Why do you need nokia support for the n9. They will give you simular support to n9 as n900.

Google translate.. sorry :

WS.AT: So the N9 with MeeGo almost a trial balloon?
Mahr: I would not call it a trial balloon, otherwise we would not apply in the form that will appear like it. As a contrast, one can use the N900, which was then in some ways was very much a trial balloon. It has spread without much advertising in geek circles, people have bought it, love it and use it partly still is. When it's been so N9, especially in Austria, we see it as our hero device for the holiday shopping season and, accordingly, have also been behind all network operators. We also ensure that the entire Austrian applications we have in store for Symbian, even at the start of MeeGo will be ready. It is therefore to assess quite as serious market entry.

http://www.news.at/articles/1126/542/300745/nokia-n9-das-n9-hero-device

Chuck Norris

08-01-2011, 05:48 AM

Clue, where are you?

I don't know. But I really hope you nail the last one. Poeple with commitment deserve a N9.

tuxsavvy

08-01-2011, 05:51 AM

Guys, Why do you need nokia support for the n9. They will give you simular support to n9 as n900. Most of you know exacly what that means. IF you can't handle that, don't like it becouse that isn't enought for you. Why are you here and barking? call nokia, we cant help you with your problems :)

why not support the vendors that gives you what you need?

I guess you like N9/Nokia after all why else would you be here. Great phone, great OS, Buy it in a month or two.

I think most of us just love to vent our frustration at nokia's woes, wouldn't you agree? :) most of probably share the same concern over nokia and its future and hoping someone from inside nokia would be noting these and passing our messages on about how serious we are over this maemo/meego battle.

Chuck Norris

08-01-2011, 05:52 AM

Google translate.. sorry :

http://www.news.at/articles/1126/542/300745/nokia-n9-das-n9-hero-device

I don't understand all that. But I see what you saying. And I have no problems with that. the n900 was so different from all my other phones so i like it very much. and I guess the n9 will be the same, plus it might trigger some change in andorid and IOS too. It's so great with new OSes on the market. Why do not support that?

Chuck Norris

08-01-2011, 05:59 AM

I think most of us just love to vent our frustration at nokia's woes, wouldn't you agree? :) most of probably share the same concern over nokia and its future and hoping someone from inside nokia would be noting these and passing our messages on about how serious we are over this maemo/meego battle.

Why not create a thread for that?

Nokias path is set. So even if I would like to see meego as the main OS for smartphones. I won't :(
however, I get two new OS on the market Win7(new with nokia behind it) which I have only tried for a day. Many issues reamins before it can compete with android as the mainstream OS. But again, it's a new OS and IOS and andorid have to be ready to improve and thye will always look at new OSes, evaluate and steel parts and Improve all OSes.

That is the main reason that you should get behind N9. You know the path nokia choose. Stop *****ing about it or move to "The End of Nokia" thread...

afaq

08-01-2011, 06:07 AM

It doesn't look like Nokia even knows yet. Check out the quick launch bar description at the bottom of http://swipe.nokia.com/design/. The description doesn't match the picture.

Do you mean, why did Nokia loan me an n950? If so, I'm on the hook for porting the open source Sudoku clone Tomiku.

Yeah, kinda lame, but this QML stuff is so cool that Python might just start taking on a background role. See thp's port of gPodder (http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3764) for a great example.

Have you not seen Nokia's out-of-the-box Facebook client? Well, let me give you a peek:

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Yes, this tradition has continued with Harmattan. All the usual import/export abilities are here (net, file, bluetooth, email, sms).

Nothing native yet, but I'm guessing this is one of the omissions that will be there at launch. Not sure though. On a side note, someone has already ported Midnight Commander.

This is why I come onto TMO. You alone are keeping this thread interesting (no offence to the N9 competition folks :P).

blipnl

08-01-2011, 06:15 AM

Question everyone must be asking.... what has Nokia let themselves in for taking on Elop?.

Giggity.

(10 char)

Chuck Norris

08-01-2011, 06:20 AM

One small thing that I'm sure other OSes will have very soon is double tap to open phone. It's great.

blipnl

08-01-2011, 06:26 AM

Damn N9... come here finally so I can buy you... I've lost my N900 yesterday... to my girlfriend! She tried it and now it's hers...

So I'm stuck with my N8 currently...

Seems to me you're gonna get your N900 back in a month or two, know what I'm sayin? :D

Lindegaard

08-01-2011, 07:00 AM

1) Yes your right it is expensive to pay software developers but as much as nobody in europe wishes to see Nokia go down, they should have made a better job of software in the past because lets face it is that that has brought them to there knee's.

2) If they are successful with WP7 i sure like to see them go full into MeeGo development and not to forget the wishes of exsisting customers because without that there stakeholders lose out and so do we.

1) I agree that symbian should have been dropped earlier. I would like to have had another OS on my N8 - but there where no alternative. Nokia will not go to Android and which other OS should have been implemented? We may like the Maemo, but it is not mainstream enough and WP7 wasn't ready - Windows 6.5 well have anyone tried it? I had an HTC with it as business phone and honestly my N95 was used 99% of the time...

Maybe Nokia didn't put more focus on Meego because they could see where symbian was heading - symbian Anna and Belle will actually be ok - still not fancy but much more smooth and with better browser = more competitive and maybe even an alternative to iOS and Android.
However the development of Anna and Belle took forever which made N8, C7 ect a mid-end product - at best.

2) the stakeholders opinion with Nokia depends on WP7 devices - Meego doesn't matter (unfortunately)

mikecomputing

08-01-2011, 07:08 AM

I think they left, because there are no rational reasons for them to stick here. No action is happening here. This is not the place you apply for N950

Nokia has chosen closed-source components for 6 times in a row?
It is very difficult to believe that nokia is making 6 devices with closed sourced drivers accidentally. The closed-source drivers were the issue even with 770 which was the first device.
You know how they say: once is accident, twice is coincidence, ...

If you are referring to the exploding batteries, let me remind you that the same technology is used in many laptops, and you still don't get closed source driver for battery charging.

I don't like being negative, but after 770, I've bought N810 with firm intention to be a common user.

At the moment I am in a waiting state when it comes to acquiring a new device. There are some android devices, there is the n9, there are even some linux based devices.

So no FUD here and no trolling on my behalf.

lol lets start conspiracy teori. Nokia select cllosed just for fun and to hurt OSS. cmon show me any company who has fully open source drivers. again this is how bussinedsss works not even anderoid has full open.

marrat

08-01-2011, 07:17 AM

Seems to me you're gonna get your N900 back in a month or two, know what I'm sayin? :D

Nah... only if I'd buy the magenta one... She loves that color on the N9, but I'll go for cyan. Black is a little bit too boring for me, that's the reason why my N8 is blue.

But maybe I will just buy both colors, one for me and one for her, then I'll have my peace :D

Chuck Norris

08-01-2011, 07:25 AM

Nah... only if I'd buy the magenta one... She loves that color on the N9, but I'll go for cyan. Black is a little bit too boring for me, that's the reason why my N8 is blue.

But maybe I will just buy both colors, one for me and one for her, then I'll have my peace :D

Sounds like a great idea. two is a must, So you can connect with just a touch.

marrat

08-01-2011, 09:13 AM

Sounds like a great idea. two is a must, So you can connect with just a touch.

We even can connect with just a touch without the help of any phone or technical toy whatsoever... :p

abill_uk

08-01-2011, 09:39 AM

1) I agree that symbian should have been dropped earlier. I would like to have had another OS on my N8 - but there where no alternative. Nokia will not go to Android and which other OS should have been implemented? We may like the Maemo, but it is not mainstream enough and WP7 wasn't ready - Windows 6.5 well have anyone tried it? I had an HTC with it as business phone and honestly my N95 was used 99% of the time...

Maybe Nokia didn't put more focus on Meego because they could see where symbian was heading - symbian Anna and Belle will actually be ok - still not fancy but much more smooth and with better browser = more competitive and maybe even an alternative to iOS and Android.
However the development of Anna and Belle took forever which made N8, C7 ect a mid-end product - at best.

2) the stakeholders opinion with Nokia depends on WP7 devices - Meego doesn't matter (unfortunately)

Judging from the history of Nokia it seems once they "left" symbian for Maemo it all went downhill from there so judging by the happenings from there on the problem was clear to see within there software dept as the root cause.

I did notice very clearly that once they dropped out of symbian and turned to Maemo, the updates were very meager leaving a lot to be even fixed, i noticed from the list of nofix that there was very little headway in development untill in the end someone made the decision to cut development on Maemo.

How MeeGo came about i am not sure but to have a stab in the dark and say they started that with not enough of a development team, same as before with Maemo, realised it was not going to get far and then at that point something was clearly wrong.

The story behind the "aquisition" of Elop probably came from within the board and i think by that point they finally realised the problem was software development and looking for a way out they obviously seen a saviour from Microsoft with this WP7, this obviously created the merger by the taking on of its new CEO and i think from my point of view Nokia at this point Nokia knew very well they had to get outside development and the very reason Elop is there and Microsoft to be that development.

Now i see a problem because i do not know or understand what they have done within Nokia as far as the development for MeeGo is concerned, what software engineers have been taken out by Elop, my guess is he will cut back enough leaving only the essential developers working in NOkia to make this venture work.

This may be the reason he has said what he said about the N9 being the last MeeGo device and probably means Nokia will only be concentrating on WP7.

All very easy to understand if you look at it this way but as for the real, is anyones guess.

Guffaw

08-01-2011, 10:06 AM

The previous clue went out on Friday at 9PM BST. We will have more details on what's to come soon!

Will have more information on what's next soon. Stay tuned :).

Aw. Something is up. :(

RFS-81

08-01-2011, 10:09 AM

Judging from the history of Nokia it seems once they "left" symbian for Maemo it all went downhill from there so judging by the happenings from there on the problem was clear to see within there software dept as the root cause.
I don't think that makes any sense. Nokia never left symbian for Maemo. They almost left it for MeeGo, but even that attempt was terminated before it got to full speed.
The only thing Nokia has ever "left" Symbian for is WP.

abill_uk

08-01-2011, 10:20 AM

I don't think that makes any sense. Nokia never left symbian for Maemo. They almost left it for MeeGo, but even that attempt was terminated before it got to full speed.
The only thing Nokia has ever "left" Symbian for is WP.

I am not sure what came first with Nokia, MeeGo or Maemo but as they brought out the Maemo os i would hazard a guess and say Maemo was in the pipeline first.

What i wrote was just my opinion and it stands only as an opinion.

I am looking at the events between Maemo and now.

MeeGo is not out yet as you know.

EDIT if you notice i said "left" not left.

jalyst

08-01-2011, 10:37 AM

Dan/Gerbick/et al, here's a thread for you to get stuck into, if you feel like it:
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=27038#post27038
Never been a fan of QGil's vague comments seemingly suggesting;
UX/Qt is all that matters, OSS/Linux underpinnings aren't necessarily as important, & Nokia can easily transfer any MeeGo/Qt goodness to WP/S40.

It's all the more odd when he's one of the main folk involved in delivering harmonization between Harmattan<->MeeGo.
Granted most of his comments on this matter are usually very vague, so he could mean something else entirely.
One of his blog posts suggested something slightly different, but was still open to interpretation.

I am not sure what came first with Nokia, MeeGo or Maemo but as they brought out the Maemo os i would hazard a guess and say Maemo was in the pipeline first.

:confused:

Abill... are you still trying to be clueless again? Naughty boy!
I'm going to give you a slap on the wrist if you don't stop soon :D

abill_uk

08-01-2011, 10:48 AM

Dan/Gerbick/et al, here's one for you to get stuck into, if you feel like it:
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=27038#post27038
Never been a fan of QGil's vague comments seemingly suggesting;
UX is all that matters, OSS underpinnings can go away, & Nokia can easily transfer any MeeGo goodness to WP/S40.
Granted most of his comments on this matter are usually very vague, so he could mean something else entirely.
One of his blog posts suggested something slightly different, but was still open to interpretation.

:confused:

Abill... are you still trying to be clueless? Naughty boy!
I'm going to give you a slap on the wrist if you don't stop soon :D

HAHA ... actually i read that lot and once i seen qgil had an input it put me right off because i have read all his words about Maemo that just never happened so no way i can believe him any more.

And in any case, once again it is all pure specualtion on that thread with a lot of if's.

Do i talk double dutch or something? nobody understands me? :p.

RFS-81

08-01-2011, 10:52 AM

What i wrote was just my opinion and it stands only as an opinion.

Fair enough.

I am looking at the events between Maemo and now.
MeeGo is not out yet as you know.

EDIT if you notice i said "left" not left.
Noticed, but I felt the way you continued your text kind of nullified the quotes. No offence.

abill_uk

08-01-2011, 10:59 AM

Fair enough.

Noticed, but I felt the way you continued your text kind of nullified the quotes. No offence.

Basically all it means is that Nokia have not got any developers worth there salt otherwise why would they attempt to leave symbian for another os and completely fail?.

Nokia as you well know have been involved in symbian for years so they obviousdly had the right kind of developers for that but when it came down to Maemo and MeeGo they fell flat on there face due to bad developers i think ;).

daperl

08-01-2011, 11:04 AM

That quick launch thing needed to be sorted out. I think devs have access to it, cuz there's an app that allows to extend up to 14 apps in it.

I started to respond to this, but it was turning into an essay, and I'm pretty sure I was breaking my NDA. Anyway, a few of your questions have been about usability. Rumor has it that Nokia is tweaking high-level functionality as we speak. When the dust settles, let's have a long discussion about usability. I've been using Maemo and iOS devices extensively for 3 1/2 years and I know what I like and I know what I don't like, as I'm sure you do.

QML seems very nice for devs i think, looks css'ish and javascript'ish. Should bean easy transition....but can it replace python altogether? It's that powerful?

As things stand, QML and Javascript can't completely replace Python and C++. C++ and Python remain the glue that connects the operating system to the UI. But adding glue between Python/C++ and QML/Javascript is ridiculously easier than writing Python bindings.

And now since you're so eager to post screen shots heh heh ;) twitter app please

It doesn't exist yet, but as you can see, they have some of the infrastructure in place.

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When it's ready, the Twitter account setup, as well as Google Talk, should appear as a separate entry on this page:

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abill_uk

08-01-2011, 11:12 AM

Here is a clip from that page and really it says it all, nobody seems to know what the hell Nokia are upto and that is even talking with people like qgil !.

Is no wonder this thread is going round in circles !.

I just don't know how to react to this post. There is just more questions and more confusions :
1- zehjotkah, where do you find this info ? Or is this just random thoughts ?
2- if it is true, why produce the N9 and do not recycle N950 devices into dev winphones ?

etc.
Well, I may just admit that Nokia is unpredictible ...

catbus

08-01-2011, 11:18 AM

"bakri_taher taher bakri
@
@nokia when will n9 release in India...please do it fast coz i m lil desperate for that phone n vich OS is der in n9
16 hours ago
in reply to ↑
Nokia
@nokia Nokia
@bakri_taher Will have more news on this for you in due time - no specifics just yet"

So N9 will come... later than Nokia 500...

unfuccwittable

08-01-2011, 11:36 AM

I started to respond to this, but it was turning into an essay, and I'm pretty sure I was breaking my NDA. Anyway, a few of your questions have been about usability. Rumor has it that Nokia is tweaking high-level functionality as we speak. When the dust settles, let's have a long discussion about usability. I've been using Maemo and iOS devices extensively for 3 1/2 years and I know what I like and I know what I don't like, as I'm sure you do.

As things stand, QML and Javascript can't completely replace Python and C++. C++ and Python remain the glue that connects the operating system to the UI. But adding glue between Python/C++ and QML/Javascript is ridiculously easier than writing Python bindings.

It doesn't exist yet, but as you can see, they have some of the infrastructure in place.

21845

When it's ready, the Twitter account setup, as well as Google Talk, should appear as a separate entry on this page:

21846
Is there a way to subscribe to a user's posts? Does tmo support that? because daperl and a few others seem to be the only ones that aren't bickering back and forth constantly.

hotnikkelz

08-01-2011, 11:53 AM

Is there a way to subscribe to a user's posts? Does tmo support that? because daperl and a few others seem to be the only ones that aren't bickering back and forth constantly.

Yeah, i dunno how daperl is able to find my posts in all this mess, especially from abill's triple posting :/ tslk tsk He talks WAY too much :p

Thanks again daperl. Holla when the dust clears. My questions are all about usability cuz well, that's what's important. If it has what i need, I'm gonna get this phone ;) Feel free to post any tidbits u find interesting though, it'll be greatly appreciated

jo21

08-01-2011, 12:21 PM

History has shown:

IBM DOS -> Microsoft DOS
IBM in cooperate with Microsoft doing nextgen Graphical UserInterface after Win3.1 named OS Warp. But then "hey lets rape IBM copy the code and implement in Windows 95"

Same could happen with Nokia: Rape them, steal best lowlevel engineers work for WPx and also engineers from QtQuick and webkit engineer implement it in WP7....

But this time Microsoft will FAIL cause the engineers may very well go work for Intel with Meego or Google instead...

not only the developers.

sales may go to android, iOS, and not WP7-

mikecomputing

08-01-2011, 12:40 PM

android just died long live meego harmattan!!!

ysss

08-01-2011, 12:48 PM

http://gallery.photo.net/photo/10582730-md.jpg

..and the cycle repeats.. *YAWN*

RFS-81

08-01-2011, 01:07 PM

Nokia as you well know have been involved in symbian for years so they obviousdly had the right kind of developers for that but when it came down to Maemo and MeeGo they fell flat on there face due to bad developers i think ;).You estimate the SW development effort Nokia put behind Maemo was comparable to what they invested in Symbian during the years?
Personally, I think the resources they sank in Maemo was a drop in the sea compared to what Symbian got.

abill_uk

08-01-2011, 01:22 PM

You estimate the SW development effort Nokia put behind Maemo was comparable to what they invested in Symbian during the years?
Personally, I think the resources they sank in Maemo was a drop in the sea compared to what Symbian got.

I dont think you understand my post at all because what i am saying is they did not do enough on Maemo or MeeGo and certainly a lot lot less than they accomplished on symbian.

The right kind of developers were just not there for Maemo or MeeGo.

mikecomputing

08-01-2011, 01:27 PM

seems like Nokia 500 will be released before N9 wtf!!! :mad:

smegheadz

08-01-2011, 01:28 PM

i find there are a lot of people who post a huge amount on this thread. But what i noticed is they say so much without saying anything really. it's just 1 opinion and epenis battle message or reply with bits of half truths mashed into meaningless posts.

too many keyboard warriors on here trying to master debate ;) over how informed and clever they are.

People say it's not going to get support. people say it is. everyone has different levels of support required. i've used my n900 and was very happy with the support i've received. the fw updates were all that was needed to iron out things that i felt needed to be. as you can tell on the forum prior to those releases there was alot of threads with problems. most those people have moved on.

if you don't like it fine but why the hell are you so interested if you arent interested? makes no sense other then your bored/disgruntled/keyboard warrior/live in your moms basement and get bullied so need to feel big. watever.

jalyst

08-01-2011, 01:32 PM

Vodafone Australia looks like they will start selling them in September. I have no idea on prices, other than expensive.

Another (Australian) retailer CLAIMS August (thats this month). They tell me it will be the next "Hero Phone" on their next catalogue, although I'm taking this with a large grain on salt (not because of FUD just because)

Thanks for sharing this mate...
Who is this other Australian retailer that claims August?

Everything I've heard so far via jakiman (who has contacts @Nokia Australia) has been vague WRT retail distribution.
So it's great to hear they'll be retail availability alongside carrier subsidized N9's!

<SNIP>

Thank god for daperl in this thread...
I would've lost my sanity long ago if it weren't for your enlightening posts.

Oh & Jukka Ekland just tweeted this:
http://my-meego.com/downloads/index.php
http://my-meego.com/software/index.php
Still early days of course, but I reckon we'll have a much better start than N900 ever had.
Not that that's the most ideal bench-mark...
It could've been way better, but we already know that sad/repetitive story, yada, yada, yada.

cod3rror's still furiously spreading his half-truths & outright FUD in comments here (http://www.gsmarena.com/newscomm-2948.php), sigh, WTH's that guys problem!?

jalyst

08-01-2011, 01:40 PM

WTF?
Download: Available later this year
http://my-meego.com/software/applications.php?name=Myriad_Alien_Dalvik&fldAuto=10&faq=7

I've seen no "proof" that this is definitely coming.
Only statements of hope made by Myriad, that this will be jumped-on by Nokia etc.

Wishful thinking on this software archive's part I guess?

RFS-81

08-01-2011, 02:47 PM

I dont think you understand my post at all because what i am saying is they did not do enough on Maemo or MeeGo and certainly a lot lot less than they accomplished on symbian.

The right kind of developers were just not there for Maemo or MeeGo.
Maybe I didn't understand. By reading your words, I got the impression that Maemo "failed" because developers were no good? In my view the failure was not having enough developers, and not inserting them to the program early enough. And that was because of the decisions Nokia management did, not because of what developers did. Developers alone cannot save the day if management is asleep/in panic mode.

afaq

08-01-2011, 02:47 PM

unfuccwittable

08-01-2011, 02:58 PM

If people want Android games/Apps then they should switch to Android. This Myriad business is confusing because people who don't follow TMO as closely as some here, will buy into a device with wool over their eyes.

N9 will need to stand on its own feet - and the developers with the N950 are helping it in its infancy. I will get the N9 for what it can do rather than what I hope it can do one day. Any updates to the OS would only be to iron out any bugs and compete adding any functionality that has already been agreed to - not to enhance and change the UI so that it looks like a new OS.
^real rap. relying on the apps of another platform doesn't equal success and it certainly won't lead to more sales in the long run.

smegheadz

08-01-2011, 03:08 PM

If people want Android games/Apps then they should switch to Android. This Myriad business is confusing because people who don't follow TMO as closely as some here, will buy into a device with wool over their eyes.

N9 will need to stand on its own feet - and the developers with the N950 are helping it in its infancy. I will get the N9 for what it can do rather than what I hope it can do one day. Any updates to the OS would only be to iron out any bugs and compete adding any functionality that has already been agreed to - not to enhance and change the UI so that it looks like a new OS.

my sentiments exactly. When it is released (the n9 not myriad) i will check it out and if works as intended, ticks all the boxes of what i want in a mobile phone then i'll get it. any additions are bonus.

i wonder if the pricing will be the same around europe or will it be cheaper to get it in other countries.

Pillum

08-01-2011, 03:22 PM

some online shops list the n9 at 800 € for the 16GB version....

smegheadz

08-01-2011, 03:28 PM

read a nice article on the culture of critique.

this bit here should be read by many here.
Technoculture critic and former Wired contributor Erik Davis is concerned about the proliferation of reviews, too. “Our culture is afflicted with knowingness,” he says. “We exalt in being able to know as much as possible. And that’s great on many levels. But we’re forgetting the pleasures of not knowing. I’m no Luddite, but we’ve started replacing actual experience with someone else’s already digested knowledge.”

now after reading that. think about the n9, this thread, the whole n9 vs n950. all the "it's dead on arrival" and "it's best thing ever made and will kill apples". i enjoy finding things out for myself. i enjoy the little discoveries. i do like knowing about something before i buy it but i rather make my own mind up and use my own judgement. wait for it and use your own judgement on it, make your own decision. don't be someone elses hand.