N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!

[gerbick]

I actually do agree with you on this. I only see WP7 really taking off after the introduction of Windows 8, when MS can really sell the idea of a unified UX. That's where you're going to see a lot of mass adoption coming from.

Bingo. And that's not until mid-2012 by all guesstimates. I just know that Nokia doesn't have until then to do or release anything. A steady 20%+ drop in share in just one year or so.

Windows 8 + WP7 (or WP8) + Unified UX might be a blockbuster in quite a few areas. It'll be convenient to marry all of that together - and plus... Win8 finally is when Microsoft will start dropping legacy support and start looking only forward.

I can't wait personally for that.

Nokia cannot keep waiting. February 2010, they "went" with MeeGo. February 2011, they "dropped" MeeGo. June/July 2011, they soft-announce the Nokia N9. August 2011, the N9 isn't out yet nor do they have dates for bigger markets - no Germany, no France, no England (not directly), no USA, no Canada... not yet. But Kazakhstan, South Africa and Austria all have dates... wtf.

Anyway, let's see. I just don't like this whole fight from a hole strategy.

[gerbick]

Just buy an iPhone. A superior phone in every respect. N9 is not innovative enough to make a difference.

I had three iPhones. They officially bore me.

What's your backup device o' choice?

[abill_uk]

I had three iPhones. They officially bore me.

What's your backup device o' choice?

Do you actually expect an answer to that :p and you know what the answer would be so why ask :p.... your funny sometimes :D.

[gerbick]

Do you actually expect an answer to that

I had the original iPhone, iPhone 3G and the iPhone 3GS. Skipped the iPhone 4 - opted to test & develop on the iPad instead.

Superior isn't the first thing that comes to mind. And right now, I'm switching between a Motorola Atrix and Dell Venue Pro. On the tablet front, I have a Motorola Xoom, the aforementioned iPad, and since I was able to save $200 off, I got the 16GB HP TouchPad just yesterday.

So yeah... I was seriously asking. Do I expect an answer? Hell yes.

[abill_uk]

I had the original iPhone, iPhone 3G and the iPhone 3GS. Skipped the iPhone 4 - opted to test & develop on the iPad instead.

Superior isn't the first thing that comes to mind. And right now, I'm switching between a Motorola Atrix and Dell Venue Pro. On the tablet front, I have a Motorola Xoom, the aforementioned iPad, and since I was able to save $200 off, I got the 16GB HP TouchPad just yesterday.

So yeah... I was seriously asking. Do I expect an answer? Hell yes.

Your just BRILLIANT i really mean that... hell why aint you on the dammm council !!!!!.

[gerbick]

The people on the council are much smarter and involved in this community than I could fathom or commit.

And I'm far from brilliant. My company gives me the chance to test cool stuff. Sadly, Nokia has not been on my list, so I grabbed that as a hobbyist instead.

Respect the council. Those dudes are trying hard to represent us.

[abill_uk]

The people on the council are much smarter and involved in this community than I could fathom or commit.

And I'm far from brilliant. My company gives me the chance to test cool stuff. Sadly, Nokia has not been on my list, so I grabbed that as a hobbyist instead.

Respect the council. Those dudes are trying hard to represent us.

Are you in love with one of the council members? oh wait no, they are all men :p.

Well i am sorry but i do not share your enthusiasm for the council, and i was joking about the former lol.

Your a cool guy gerbick and i wish you had the time to be a council member i really do.

[keflex]

Bingo. And that's not until mid-2012 by all guesstimates. I just know that Nokia doesn't have until then to do or release anything. A steady 20%+ drop in share in just one year or so.

Windows 8 + WP7 (or WP8) + Unified UX might be a blockbuster in quite a few areas. It'll be convenient to marry all of that together - and plus... Win8 finally is when Microsoft will start dropping legacy support and start looking only forward.

I can't wait personally for that.

Nokia cannot keep waiting. February 2010, they "went" with MeeGo. February 2011, they "dropped" MeeGo. June/July 2011, they soft-announce the Nokia N9. August 2011, the N9 isn't out yet nor do they have dates for bigger markets - no Germany, no France, no England (not directly), no USA, no Canada... not yet. But Kazakhstan, South Africa and Austria all have dates... wtf.

Anyway, let's see. I just don't like this whole fight from a hole strategy.

I get the feeling that Nokia can actually wait until mid-2012, and I base that on the expectation that the company won't be shipping WP phones in volume until 2012. Put simply, they opted for this strategic direction knowing this full well, which means it's likely that they have the financial capacity to do so. Will they continue to lose marketshare? Sure. But marketshare can be rebuilt, and certainly it's easier to do when done on the back of a new headline OS and an accompanying reboot of consumer perception.

But yeah, all we can really do is speculate. I hope that Nokia succeeds because I like both WP7 & Nokia hardware. In a year's time we'll be able to see whether or not this strategy was the right one.

[abill_uk]

I actually reckon it will take off too and i think everyone is in for a shock with this WP7.

[keflex]

You reckon something new every day, it's not really worth regarding your opinion.

[gerbick]

I get the feeling that Nokia can actually wait until mid-2012, and I base that on the expectation that the company won't be shipping WP phones in volume until 2012. Put simply, they opted for this strategic direction knowing this full well, which means it's likely that they have the financial capacity to do so. Will they continue to lose marketshare? Sure. But marketshare can be rebuilt, and certainly it's easier to do when done on the back of a new headline OS and an accompanying reboot of consumer perception.

But yeah, all we can really do is speculate. I hope that Nokia succeeds because I like both WP7 & Nokia hardware. In a year's time we'll be able to see whether or not this strategy was the right one.

By 2012, they will be 3rd or 4th in the world. Their stock will be still around $5.00 USD. And the losses will be intense. Long term planning better be clearer than it is now. Otherwise, the lost market share will not be able to be reclaimed - nobody will know what's next.

You like WP7? Strange hearing that on these boards.

[abill_uk]

You reckon something new every day, it's not really worth regarding your opinion.

Very simple answer for you DON'T ;)

PS ANYTHING is better than a iphone :D

[gerbick]

Are you in love with one of the council members?

Even though I know you're joking, I just think it's time to show them some support.

Well i am sorry but i do not share your enthusiasm for the council...

I've had my run-ins with them as well. Now isn't the time to flare up discontent and show how unhappy we are... they're not the problem. The decisions and blame are elsewhere.

Your a cool guy gerbick and i wish you had the time to be a council member i really do.

Thanks. But as it stands, I would not be effective. Diplomacy is not my forte.

[gerbick]

Marketing is one of the area's nokia has failed on big time in the recent years.

I said that very same thing, got chased around with pitchforks and torches. But it's very true...

But i don't see them putting all their eggs in 1 basket.

Wait. How so? That's all I see.

[keflex]

Long term planning better be clearer than it is now.

I agree with that, and much like yourself don't necessarily know what those plans entail. But the recently announced financing for their WP7 marketing push is a good sign.

And I like WP7 for the same reason I liked Fremantle (and the same reason I like Harmattan) - the UI & service offerings appeal to me. Specifically regarding the latter, both Maemo & WP7 champion service integration into their core applications. This to me is a critical feature, and the main reason I dislike the Android and iOS approach.

[govprog]

Let's check the facts:
1. The smartphones' hardware performance is increasing steadily.
2. The requirements for Computer OSes didn't go that high since 2007.
Result: This could mean that we might expect Pocket PCs(The real one) in the near future. So the recent events could be a stop gap for the next generation of smartphones.

However, there is a question here that whether you can hold your breath long enough for that. Or is there going to be any devices that does both the PC and phone task?

If you ask me, I won't buy a nokia with WP7 anyway. It's wiser to look forward for W8 handsets. Though I won't buy a W8 handset either.

[lma]

By 2012, they will be 3rd or 4th in the world. Their stock will be still around $5.00 USD.

How's that different from the current (http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS22974611) situation (http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/overview?rpc=66&symbol=NOK)? I know Elop said he expects to break even in the next quarter, but I don't think even he realistically believes that.

[mikecomputing]

How's that different from the current (http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS22974611) situation (http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/overview?rpc=66&symbol=NOK)? I know Elop said he expects to break even in the next quarter, but I don't think even he realistically believes that.

In Q4 N9 is released this is the only thing that "may" save Nokia. irronically it runs MrFlops non favourite OS...

[hotnikkelz]

In Q4 N9 is released this is the only thing that "may" save Nokia. irronically it runs MrFlops non favourite OS...

It most definitely won't save Nokia at all for multiple reasons. It had potential to though....
Continuous development of QT and the underlying software with superb marketing would save Nokia....easily....if done right. Alas, we all know that this isn't going to go down this way. All we can do right now is bank on WP7 success in the interim :/

[abill_uk]

Mike you know as well as anyone that Nokia will be ok, they might not get back to the fame days for a while but they will be ok whatever happens in the end, not the literal end of course lol.

[abill_uk]

Long live Nokia :D

Bring on the N9 for even more turmoil hahahahaha.

[BigBadGuber!]

I had three iPhones. They officially bore me.

What's your backup device o' choice?

Right now its NOKIA N900. I am thinking of
Getting N9, but I don't think it will compete with the iPhone for the every day ease of use. I have always used nokia phones in the past and have no desire to change from nokia to others. Apple and nokia have superior designs. However, nokia lost the OS and design war to Apple. The war is over and N9 will not change that. Not radical enough to make a dent.

[Gerii]

In Italy it seems that it will not be available, same as Germany. Do you know if in Austria it would be sold also no-brandet (carrier-free)?

P.S. I registered my email on nokia.at, so they will advise me when it's available.

It should also be available carrier-free.

[gerbick]

How's that different from the current (http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS22974611) situation (http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/overview?rpc=66&symbol=NOK)? I know Elop said he expects to break even in the next quarter, but I don't think even he realistically believes that.

An even lesser share, HTC above them, not below; LG looking to overtake their share.

That's what I suspect will happen in the near future. Right now, Apple and Samsung are shooting to the top, RIM is shooting downward, same for Nokia.

So what's different? About a 10% less share for Nokia.

[gerbick]

Right now its NOKIA N900. I am thinking of

Browser doesn't support Google+ very well.

Any other suggestions?

[vivmak]

I the price right?
There is a website in Australia which is now quoting prices for N9
"
Nokia N9 64GB

Regular Price: $999.00

Sale Price: $749.00
Pre Order
"

And some description :)
"The MeeGo 1.2 iteration on the Nokia N9 is a real departure from the maddening confusion of Symbian, with the processor, graphics card and 1GB of RAM all working together to deliver a fluid response under the finger."

[tissot]

I the price right?
There is a website in Australia which is now quoting prices for N9
"
Nokia N9 64GB

Regular Price: $999.00

Sale Price: $749.00
Pre Order
"

And some description :)
"The MeeGo 1.2 iteration on the Nokia N9 is a real departure from the maddening confusion of Symbian, with the processor, graphics card and 1GB of RAM all working together to deliver a fluid response under the finger."

And the site is?

[jalyst]

I the price right?
There is a website in Australia which is now quoting prices for N9
"Nokia N9 64GB
Regular Price: $999.00
Sale Price: $749.00
Pre Order
"

Is that that exceltek site? Or something like that I think it was.
Had a look at their site the other day (someone posted it)
At that time they only had the 16GB, and IIRC is was $899!
$749's okay'ish for the 64GB... Who's the retailer?

*edit*
Musn't be exceltek, they still have their crazily priced 16GB:
http://www.exeltek.com.au/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=Nokia%20N9&page=1&sort=3d

[BigBadGuber!]

Browser doesn't support Google+ very well.

Any other suggestions?

I am looking forward to iPhone 5. Got used to iPhone VKB, so no need for HKB. will get N9 but will wait for few months to see what inherent problems it comes with.

[jalyst]

I'm looking forward to how well it compares all-up to iP4...
If it does better in most detailed/impartial reviews, then I see few huge reasons not to get it.*

Everything I've read suggests iP5's biggest improvements will be in software.
And that hardware (compared to previous years) will be only marginally improved.
Many pundits are saying the big hardware changes are coming approx. May 2012.
But at the same time....
The software improvements will apparently be among the best we've seen for iOS.

So all-up by the time we get to iP5, there's a pretty strong probability that:

1) It'll be better hardware-wise, all-up
(There'll of course be some areas that are weaker, but all-up)
2) It'll be somewhere between worse & slightly better software-wise, all-up
(That's not factoring-in Apple's online services/apps/music etc.)

Purely guesstimations of course, as we've few "facts" about iP5, particularly WRT hardware.
But assuming it's not hugely better in those two areas....
Then that won't be enough for me to buy an iP5, instead of the N9.

I'll probably get iP5's successor next year though, & maybe a new iTouch in the interim.
But only after I've bought a new Android handset, & my 1st WP handset.**
iOS devices are mostly what I've owned over the years...

*apart from some of the "minor" issues we've discussed ;)
**I doubt I'll get a Nokia WP handset.

[gerbick]

By the time the N9 is available, it will be directly compared to the iPhone 5, not the iPhone 4 - an 18 month old phone.

[jalyst]

I'm not disputing that it'll ultimately be compared to the iP5.
But it may be out up to a month earlier...
Depending how early it gets released in some countries.
In which case it'll be compared to the iP4 first.

[zymo]

most countries won’t get the n9 before middle/end of september and that’s the time the iphone 5 is rumored to hit some markets (september usa, october europe), so the n9 has to compete with ip5. Comparing it with the „old“ iphone would be a bit unfair.

[jpfsn]

i got my tax money back..

it's getting harder for me to wait for n9 with the galaxy s2 already out :/

but damn i want the multitask :/, nokia please release now.

Well if you've gone for the Sammy Galaxy S2, nobody could blame you....but the best things in life are worth wating for! :)

[mikecomputing]

By the time the N9 is available, it will be directly compared to the iPhone 5, not the iPhone 4 - an 18 month old phone.

thats why I dont understand why that idiotboaoard inside Nokia doesnt release the phone RIGHT NOW. Its obvious that the idiotboard doesnt want to sell N9.

I mean if it was released now and its as good as it lock more people will have it when iphone5 is release and they know more what it has and can say "N9 already has blablabla" now instead media will continue overhype Iphone5 release and MrFlop this because he and the rest of the board is ignoring the facts that N9 WAS liked by media when announcded and could very well sell very well. Instead Q3 will also fail.

The board inside Nokia is just a bunch of idiots It seems...

[vivmak]

And the site is?

mobiciti.com.au

they usualy ship from HK and I suspect that N9 will be released in Asia first. I was in India couple of days ago and there are people awaiting N9 release, most of them dont give a damn about os, it should be a latest and great looking from Nokia.

[theking2]

it looks like a perfect windows mobile 7 package. Elop seems to be very happy with it.

[catbus]

thats why I dont understand why that idiotboaoard inside Nokia doesnt release the phone RIGHT NOW. Its obvious that the idiotboard doesnt want to sell N9.

I mean if it was released now and its as good as it lock more people will have it when iphone5 is release and they know more what it has and can say "N9 already has blablabla" now instead media will continue overhype Iphone5 release and MrFlop this because he and the rest of the board is ignoring the facts that N9 WAS liked by media when announcded and could very well sell very well. Instead Q3 will also fail.

The board inside Nokia is just a bunch of idiots It seems...

There might be few reasons for waiting...:

a) There really was only 92k N9 (Eldar...)
b) M$
c) MAhtisaari will like to seek more usability things...
d) Canada

[unfuccwittable]

There might be few reasons for waiting...:

a) There really was only 92k N9 (Eldar...)
b) M$
c) MAhtisaari will like to seek more usability things...
d) Canada
what does Canada have to do with it?

[bequezox]

what does Canada have to do with it?

Blame Canada!!

[catbus]

what does Canada have to do with it?

Finnish tv-sketch from "Kummelit" -series... In quiz, d) was always Canada...

[gerbick]

thats why I dont understand why that idiotboaoard inside Nokia doesnt release the phone RIGHT NOW.

You will be hard pressed to find any phone by Nokia that was not a Symbian phone that was announced and released quickly.

That is not how Nokia rolls. They announce, delay... delay... then release. As I see it, the Nokia N9 is no different than any other release before it.

[abill_uk]

You will be hard pressed to find any phone by Nokia that was not a Symbian phone that was announced and released quickly.

That is not how Nokia rolls. They announce, delay... delay... then release. As I see it, the Nokia N9 is no different than any other release before it.

And will be even more problems than the one before it :p.

Only this time they actually told you so ! boy what a way to run a company :confused:

[jalyst]

most countries won’t get the n9 before middle/end of september and that’s the time the iphone 5 is rumored to hit some markets (september usa, october europe), so the n9 has to compete with ip5. Comparing it with the „old“ iphone would be a bit unfair.

There's still a few rumored for August IIRC.
But they'll no doubt be pushed into September, knowing Nokia.

[jalyst]

mobiciti.com.au
they usualy ship from HK and I suspect that N9 will be released in Asia first. I was in India couple of days ago and there are people awaiting N9 release, most of them dont give a damn about os, it should be a latest and great looking from Nokia.

Ah I remember these guys. They got a pretty good rep. IIRC.
They were among the 1st to get the N900 into Australia.
$749 AUD's pretty damn good for 64GB don't ya'll reckon?
At least at this early stage....

You will be hard pressed to find any phone by Nokia that was not a Symbian phone that was announced and released quickly.
That is not how Nokia rolls. They announce, delay... delay... then release. As I see it, the Nokia N9 is no different than any other release before it.

Odd thing is. There's been a bunch of Symbian phones announced since June 21st.
And some of them are looking quite likely to come out before the N9 AFAICS.

[mooglez]

Not sure if this was already posted, but looks like atleast AT&T will be carrying N9 in states:

http://www.nokiaknowings.com/2011/07/at-to-carry-nokia-n9.html

unless they screwed up that site and left the old store DB in there..

[kanishou]

thats why I dont understand why that idiotboaoard inside Nokia doesnt release the phone RIGHT NOW. Its obvious that the idiotboard doesnt want to sell N9.

I mean if it was released now and its as good as it lock more people will have it when iphone5 is release and they know more what it has and can say "N9 already has blablabla" now instead media will continue overhype Iphone5 release and MrFlop this because he and the rest of the board is ignoring the facts that N9 WAS liked by media when announcded and could very well sell very well. Instead Q3 will also fail.

The board inside Nokia is just a bunch of idiots It seems...

The phone is going to be out when it's ready. Stop being insulting when you don't know what's really going on. People get pissy when Nokia overlooks little issues in software development, but you have no idea what kind of hell would break lose if they'd do product releases the way you are advocating. No it's not good enough if "it seems to work fine for some people".

There is no conspiracy.

[kanishou]

Right now its NOKIA N900. I am thinking of
Getting N9, but I don't think it will compete with the iPhone for the every day ease of use. I have always used nokia phones in the past and have no desire to change from nokia to others. Apple and nokia have superior designs. However, nokia lost the OS and design war to Apple. The war is over and N9 will not change that. Not radical enough to make a dent.

What do you really want, a phone that is easier to use than the iPhone, or a phone that is _radically_ easier to use than the iPhone? If the N9 is "just" better, it's not good enough for every day use?

You make a lot of assumptions, to which I just say: Wait for the detailled reviews. We'll all know more when the device is actually out and people start using it on a daily basis (other than biased devs like me). What seems already clear though is that it's either going to be awesome or... awesome with flaws.

[catbus]

There is no conspiracy.

nor counter swipe.nokia.se anymore

[Guffaw]

nor counter swipe.nokia.se anymore

Doom :eek:

[Kozzi]

nor counter swipe.nokia.se anymore

Now I'm mad

[Gerii]

nor counter swipe.nokia.se anymore

Wasn't there also a third operator mentioned on the site? (Tele2 iirc) Now there's just 3 and halebop.

[zymo]

Wasn't there also a third operator mentioned on the site? (Tele2 iirc) Now there's just 3 and halebop.

yes that’s true. Tele2 was one of the operators getting the n9. countdown gone, one operator gone, what’s next?! I suppose in the days to come the site will be replaced by Sea Ray and a new countdown and a list of 500 Operators world wide getting that KIRF N9 :D

[jo21]

if n9 on AT&T i know the end of the wold is coming soon.

[Guffaw]

If you live in Norway you can win N9 if you show up at Moods of Norway, Thursday :)

http://www.facebook.com/NokiaNorge?sk=app_109542299124815

[Lindegaard]

hmm, maybe the norweigian Nokia were too fast with tele2?
In Denmark N9 is sold via 3 and Telia (which owns halebop). The company Telenor will not sell the N9 in Denmark and tele2 is a part of Telenor
- i hope it makes sence...

[Guffaw]

hmm, maybe the norweigian Nokia were too fast with tele2?
In Denmark N9 is sold via 3 and Telia (which owns halebop). The company Telenor will not sell the N9 in Denmark and tele2 is a part of Telenor
- i hope it makes sence...

Tele2 Denmark is a part of Telenor, but not in Norway. :p
I think they removed Tele2 Sweden from the list because they didn't have a site up for N9 yet.
I clicked the link before they removed it:

http://www.tele2.se/N9

[somedude]

Not sure if this was already posted, but looks like atleast AT&T will be carrying N9 in states:

http://www.nokiaknowings.com/2011/07/at-to-carry-nokia-n9.html

unless they screwed up that site and left the old store DB in there..

the "shop" button is not available when using opera mini on n900

[shallimus]

The phone is going to be out when it's ready. Stop being insulting when you don't know what's really going on. People get pissy when Nokia overlooks little issues in software development, but you have no idea what kind of hell would break lose if they'd do product releases the way you are advocating. No it's not good enough if "it seems to work fine for some people".

There is no conspiracy.
Why do we have so little information about N9 availability even this long after the announcement?

Occam's Razor says: "no conspiracy needed". A mixture of fear and incompetence is enough to do this kind of damage. I'm a long-time Apple non-fan, but I have to concede that there are many things they do very well. Apple would never let a mid-range accessory release process be so muddy and unexciting as Nokia always do with their flagship products.

[jalyst]

Not sure if this was already posted, but looks like atleast AT&T will be carrying N9 in states:
http://www.nokiaknowings.com/2011/07/at-to-carry-nokia-n9.html
unless they screwed up that site and left the old store DB in there..

Yeah I remember coming across that, but heard absolutely nothing since then :(
It 'd be very heartening to know, that at least one major US carrier has decided to run with it.
But I fear it'll be retail only....
Don't want to sound negative, but it's hard not to be, given everything we know.

[mikecomputing]

The phone is going to be out when it's ready. Stop being insulting when you don't know what's really going on. People get pissy when Nokia overlooks little issues in software development, but you have no idea what kind of hell would break lose if they'd do product releases the way you are advocating. No it's not good enough if "it seems to work fine for some people".

There is no conspiracy.

ofcourse I dont have facts no one her has. Except one thing: Nokia has bigproblems. and the new board.hasnt got things going in right direction IMHO...

[mikecomputing]

yes that’s true. Tele2 was one of the operators getting the n9. countdown gone, one operator gone, what’s next?! I suppose in the days to come the site will be replaced by Sea Ray and a new countdown and a list of 500 Operators world wide getting that KIRF N9 :D

could be because tele2 link got error 404

btw. because it seems western countrys is getting bankrupt they decided to not release N9...

[catbus]

I heard a rumor that the device works perfectly, but it can not make a phone call

only rumor ofkorsetti - this is funny...

[ysss]

I heard a rumor that the device works perfectly, but it can not make a phone call

only rumor ofkorsetti - this is funny...

Well, Apple has shown that there is quite a big market for such nonsense.

[unfuccwittable]

Not sure if this was already posted, but looks like atleast AT&T will be carrying N9 in states:

http://www.nokiaknowings.com/2011/07/at-to-carry-nokia-n9.html

unless they screwed up that site and left the old store DB in there..

Given Nokia's new relationship with Microsoft, this likelihood of something like this happening is less than 1%. MS is already in bed with US carriers, I don't see this happening AT ALL.

[PortaDiFerro]

They seem to be keeping all the doors and Windows locked pretty well, since there doesn't seem to be any juicy insider info leaking out, like pictures of boxes ready to be shipped or just friends cousins buddy who works at Nokia saying it's delayed because x.

And it seems to be getting really late to announce date/price/preorder even for September. Surely it's good to know well ahead so you can tell your boss you'll be that week on vacation to queue at the Nokia store.

Wasn't N900 release date known for months? Although I guess they will want to avoid having to postpone it again..

Bored and losing hope here!!

[BigBadGuber!]

N9 is a communist virus. It will infect us and transform our minds into communist zombies in search of free and open apps. Beware!

[quipper8]

They seem to be keeping all the doors and Windows locked pretty well, since there doesn't seem to be any juicy insider info leaking out, like pictures of boxes ready to be shipped or just friends cousins buddy who works at Nokia saying it's delayed because x.

And it seems to be getting really late to announce date/price/preorder even for September. Surely it's good to know well ahead so you can tell your boss you'll be that week on vacation to queue at the Nokia store.

Wasn't N900 release date known for months? Although I guess they will want to avoid having to postpone it again..

Bored and losing hope here!!

well there was this article from June

http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-rebooted-apple-lessons-htc-threats-symbians-last-stand-17159893/

Where nokia pretty much said they were going to try to stop all leaks...

[keflex]

ofcourse I dont have facts no one her has. Except one thing: Nokia has bigproblems. and the new board.hasnt got things going in right direction IMHO...

Mike there are many words I would use to describe you but "humble" isn't one of them.

[gerbick]

Timers are being removed. No commentary about when these things will be released... damage control time yet?

[ericsson]

Confirmed, price and all, unlocked, all variants (colors and GB), can be reserved TODAY. Coming September 23 in Norway/Sweden/Denmark/Finland :D

N9, black, 16GB, incl shipping, price 4690 NOK = 602.73 € :D

http://cdon.no/elektronikk/nokia_n9_black_16gb-14997037

The price is a bit steep, but lower than expected. Will probably drop to the half after 4-5 months (for those who have an insane amount of patience).

[marxian]

The price is a bit steep, but lower than expected.

Not lower than the price you expected. :p

All in all, it is about the same ballpark as the Wave, and must be priced in the same ballpark around 300 €

[ericsson]

Not lower than the price you expected. :p

He he, you are right LOL. But - In 4-5 months, you know - patience. The Google Nexus S is already half the price.

[momcilo]

He he, you are right LOL. But - In 4-5 months, you know - patience. The Google Nexus S is already half the price.

Still that is way to much. The only thing that can keep price high is exclusivity: if nokia decides to produce only 92000.

No matter how the price is high there are many that would buy it purely for design.

[Lindegaard]

Confirmed, price and all, unlocked, all variants (colors and GB), can be reserved TODAY. Coming September 23 in Norway/Sweden/Denmark/Finland :D

N9, black, 16GB, incl shipping, price 4690 NOK = 602.73 € :D

http://cdon.no/elektronikk/nokia_n9_black_16gb-14997037

The price is a bit steep, but lower than expected. Will probably drop to the half after 4-5 months (for those who have an insane amount of patience).

I came!

€ 694 for 64gb - but i dont even know if I need the extra storage

[smegheadz]

aren't prices generally higher in norway? i seem to remember things being more expensive when i visited there and my swedish friend telling me that ireland and other EU countries are usually cheaper.

well i'm hoping that will run with the price quoted on the N9

[ericsson]

I came!

€ 694 for 64gb - but i dont even know if I need the extra storage

I will never be able to fill up 16 GB, so 64 is overkill for me.

[gerbick]

I will never be able to fill up 16 GB, so 64 is overkill for me.

Room to grow.

[ericsson]

aren't prices generally higher in norway? i seem to remember things being more expensive when i visited there and my swedish friend telling me that ireland and other EU countries are usually cheaper.

well i'm hoping that will run with the price quoted on the N9

True for beer and cars, not for electronics. I think the N9 will be the same or probably more in the rest of Europe. Then again, this is the first time I have sen the N9 with a price tag, when more shops gets it, it probably will get cheaper. Operators will also sell it, cheap or expensive, who knows?

[marxian]

I will never be able to fill up 16 GB, so 64 is overkill for me.

There is nowhere near 16GB available in MyDocs. I think it's around 9GB on the N950 (I didn't actually check before loading some media on to the device, though daperl posted the figures somewhere). It could change for the N9, but I doubt the difference will be significant.

[jo21]

N9 is a communist virus. It will infect us and transform our minds into communist zombies in search of free and open apps. Beware!

my sarcasm detector is broken or this guy is a ******?

[Lindegaard]

I will never be able to fill up 16 GB, so 64 is overkill for me.

I had the same thoughts. I dont even fill up the current 12gb on my Nokia N8 which is my primary phone, however, I have alot music that I would like to put into it.
I'm old school - streaming never really made it for me!
When exercising, I'm boxing in a basement and the signal is not always that strong so grooveshark ect will not be a great mix for me.

[ericsson]

Here is another one at 1194 € :eek:

http://www.mytrendyphone.com/shop/nokia-n9-black-54089p.html

It says it is already available, smells fishy.

[smegheadz]

True for beer and cars, not for electronics. I think the N9 will be the same or probably more in the rest of Europe. Then again, this is the first time I have sen the N9 with a price tag, when more shops gets it, it probably will get cheaper. Operators will also sell it, cheap or expensive, who knows?

not necessarily true. For example an intel i7 from the same retailer in norway costs more then in ireland.
check out komplett.no and komplett.ie and their other eu sites.

spain is cheaper again for a lot of electrical equipment.

[Guffaw]

aren't prices generally higher in norway? i seem to remember things being more expensive when i visited there and my swedish friend telling me that ireland and other EU countries are usually cheaper.

well i'm hoping that will run with the price quoted on the N9

If CDON are going with 4690kr for 16GB, I bet Nokia Store in Oslo will be around 5000kr(16) and 5700kr(64). And they sold N900 for 6800kr first day.

[BigBadGuber!]

On Amazon.com in good old, bankrupt and soon to be a Thirld world USA, the following is showing up:

NOKIA N9 "S" CURVED GEL SKIN CASE - CLEAR, WITH QUBITS-BRANDED MICROFIBER CLEANING CLOTH

http://www.amazon.com/NOKIA-CURVED-SKIN-CASE-QUBITS-BRANDED/dp/B005D656SW/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1312843477&sr=8-4


but no phone!!!

[smegheadz]

If CDON are going with 4690kr for 16GB, I bet Nokia Store in Oslo will be around 5000kr(16) and 5700kr(64). And they sold N900 for 6800kr first day.

the n900 for that much! :eek:
that's over €200 more then it cost some people here. nearly €300 if i'm honest.

[smegheadz]

On Amazon.com in good old, bankrupt and soon to be a Thirld world USA, the following is showing up:

NOKIA N9 "S" CURVED GEL SKIN CASE - CLEAR, WITH QUBITS-BRANDED MICROFIBER CLEANING CLOTH

http://www.amazon.com/NOKIA-CURVED-SKIN-CASE-QUBITS-BRANDED/dp/B005D656SW/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1312843477&sr=8-4


but no phone!!!

yeah, been seeing loads of screen protectors and cases on there for a while now. every few weeks i do a random search online and spotted them. anyone know how good gorilla glass is for not scratching? like keys and coins in a pocket with the phone type scratches.

[Guffaw]

the n900 for that much! :eek:
that's over €200 more then it cost some people here. nearly €300 if i'm honest.

Ops, 5800kr not 6800kr.
My bad. :(

5800 Norwegian kroner = 744.5473 Euros

[mikecomputing]

Confirmed, price and all, unlocked, all variants (colors and GB), can be reserved TODAY. Coming September 23 in Norway/Sweden/Denmark/Finland :D

N9, black, 16GB, incl shipping, price 4690 NOK = 602.73 € :D

http://cdon.no/elektronikk/nokia_n9_black_16gb-14997037

The price is a bit steep, but lower than expected. Will probably drop to the half after 4-5 months (for those who have an insane amount of patience).

sinced when was cdon nokias official channel :O

and 600EUR for the 16Gb overprice oh yeah

[mikecomputing]

He he, you are right LOL. But - In 4-5 months, you know - patience. The Google Nexus S is already half the price.

if those prices are correct n9 is dead in 5 months :mad:

[bsd1101]

Honestly the space is one of the reasons I actually want the n9. I have a lot of music. My ipod video running rockbox was stolen not to long ago and I have been using my n900 as my mp3 player. I've actually gotten quite used to having only one device for my music and phone. I have A LOT of music. I don't need all the apps that exist for droid/iphone. I want its amazingly fast GUI, browser, the phone use itself and an mp3 player.

[don_falcone]

619 Euro for 16GB and that Aegis crap? You're kidding me. I know the price will fall, but i will never again pay even 400 Euros for a (new) cellphone. 420 for the N73 was the max amount ever. The technology just gets old too quickly. For that money (~600 Euro) you can get quite a good vacation trip already, to overseas.

[toki]

.... anyone know how good gorilla glass is for not scratching? like keys and coins in a pocket with the phone type scratches.

id like to ask the same question

because, with the curved glass as well, by having a screen protector on it, it wouldnt be as smooth when 'swiping'

so.. is the gorilla glass enough?


im planning not to buy a screen protector just so the swipe gestures feel more smexy =P
unless people advise me otherwise

[danramos]

id like to ask the same question

because, with the curved glass as well, by having a screen protector on it, it wouldnt be as smooth when 'swiping'

so.. is the gorilla glass enough?


im planning not to buy a screen protector just so the swipe gestures feel more smexy =P
unless people advise me otherwise

Well.. here's a Motorola Droid (A855, which has Gorilla Glass... this is the phone I currently have--see my signature, and I can confirm the same results from some scary personal experiences):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4qJHNIiXow

Aaaand here's a Samsung Galaxy Tab (which also has Gorilla Glass... which I also own, so I can also attest to the same results via experience):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MeLijcyOt4
http://androidcommunity.com/samsung-galaxy-tab-gets-shot-gorilla-glass-proves-its-worth-20101110/

And a demo from Corning:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLXaCR6_0U0

I started out buying screen protectors.. but eventually, I learned I was better off without one and just learning to huff at the screen with my breath and wiping it on my shirt to clean it off--because otherwise, it seems to take a LOT of abuse without damage. Mind you, it's not invincible--I've managed to put some minor nicks on the extreme corners of my screen with some INTENSE throwing (unintentional, trust me!) but it actually took effort. I'm sure an intentional effort could have managed to put nicks but it seems VERY resistant to scratches. You're far more likely to crack it from a fall before scratching it, I think.

[Lindegaard]

yeah, been seeing loads of screen protectors and cases on there for a while now. every few weeks i do a random search online and spotted them. anyone know how good gorilla glass is for not scratching? like keys and coins in a pocket with the phone type scratches.

Gorilla glas is the best!
I've had my Nokia N8 since october and it doesn't have any scratches even though I often have my phone in the same pocket as my keys.
Usually i had my keys seperated from my phone but after seeing some videos on youtube (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=gorilla+glass+scratch+test&aq=2&oq=gorilla+glas) I really didn't care and so far I haven't regret it.

However the plastic top and bottom has gotten some scratches...

[lma]

so.. is the gorilla glass enough?

It's glass, not diamond. There are still lots of things out there that can scratch it.

[Lindegaard]

It's glass, not diamond. There are still lots of things out there that can scratch it.

even diamond get scratched, but have you had a phone with gorrila-glass?
It's much more tough than you'll think.

[Kozzi]

any idea if harmattan support themes ? background picture support for application grid and notification screen ?

[abill_uk]

if those prices are correct n9 is dead in 5 months :mad:

The price of the 16gb is about 400 uk pound and the 64gb version is close on 500 uk pound.

[marxian]

The price of the 16gb is about 400 uk pound and the 64gb version is close on 500 uk pound.

I would have taken the 16GB version at £400, if it had an SD card slot. 9GB free on first boot is too low for me, and I'm not paying silly money for additional internal flash memory (which is not portable or replacable if it becomes corrupted).

[jalyst]

well there was this article from June
http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-rebooted-apple-lessons-htc-threats-symbians-last-stand-17159893/
Where nokia pretty much said they were going to try to stop all leaks...

And then about 1wk later, 2-days after N9 was finally revealed, sea-ray was deliberately leaked.

Confirmed, price and all, unlocked, all variants (colors and GB), can be reserved TODAY. Coming September 23 in Norway/Sweden/Denmark/Finland :D
N9, black, 16GB, incl shipping, price 4690 NOK = 602.73 € :D
http://cdon.no/elektronikk/nokia_n9_black_16gb-14997037

That's a pretty lack-luster price....

Retailer here in Australia has the 64GB for 535.4 euro ($749AUD)*
Pre-order price, so it may be subject to change once the N9's actually out.
http://www.mobicity.com.au/catalogsearch/result/?q=Nokia+N9&x=0&y=0

Down-side is that they seem to offer 64GB in black only, & 16GB in cyan only.
I'm thinking about placing an order...
But I'll be pissed if they turn around later, & say I have to pay more.

I vaguely recall these guys having a good rep. WRT the N900.

I would have taken the 16GB version at £400, if it had an SD card slot. 9GB free on first boot is too low for me, and I'm not paying silly money for additional internal flash memory (which is not portable or replacable if it becomes corrupted).

What about 464 pound for the 64GB one?
See my response about retailer above. :)

Some new vids, may have already been posted...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmwFbE3dSM4&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hILoKG7MbXA&feature=player_embedded

*and I haven't bothered to compare all the local retailers yet.

[abill_uk]

I would have taken the 16GB version at £400, if it had an SD card slot. 9GB free on first boot is too low for me, and I'm not paying silly money for additional internal flash memory (which is not portable or replacable if it becomes corrupted).

Yes i agree and i still think it is very overpriced.

What i would like to know is why they decided to leave the SD slot out? stupid when you think nowerdays even the cheap phones have that slot even if for music.

Am wondering if there is a place unfilled on the pcb for this but still needs software.

[Jedibeeftrix]

The price of the 16gb is about 400 uk pound and the 64gb version is close on 500 uk pound.

where have the prices come from?

[abill_uk]

where have the prices come from?

Nokia, i will confirm friday.

[momcilo]

Yes i agree and i still think it is very overpriced.

What i would like to know is why they decided to leave the SD slot out? stupid when you think nowerdays even the cheap phones have that slot even if for music.

Am wondering if there is a place unfilled on the pcb for this but still needs software.

Take a look at disassembly instructions. Compared to N810/N900 it has surprisingly more disassembly steps.

EDIT: There is no place on the pcb for the slot.
http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc371/momcilo78/n9-engine-board.png

[abill_uk]

Take a look at disassembly instructions. Compared to N810/N900 it has surprisingly much more parts.

I have to admit i have not studied much of the manual at all of the N9 so i could well have seen a blank space and not realised.

I do find it VERY strange such a high end device component wise does not have an SD slot.

I will wait untill i get mine and strip it down to make sure.

[kanishou]

any idea if harmattan support themes ? background picture support for application grid and notification screen ?

Officially, no (only lockscreen wallpaper). Unofficially, those screens are easy to modify through hacking some CSS (and this can also be done as themes, though there is no default GUI to switch themes).

I expect that many will share their customisations/hacks as installable packages.

E.g. somebody could easily make a package that changes the CSS to load a specific background image, coupled with a GUI that allows one to change that image.

[abill_uk]

Take a look at disassembly instructions. Compared to N810/N900 it has surprisingly more disassembly steps.

EDIT: There is no place on the pcb for the slot.
http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc371/momcilo78/n9-engine-board.png

That pic is no where near good enough to get a close up look and in many cases there is a tiny sub-board assembly that solders down to a few pins, i do not doubt your words but i still find it strange there is no place at all for an SD and of course there is the added problem of an outer slot but it could well be internally inserted as some ram is on laptops with no physical access point.

I would like you to be wrong though ;).

[afaq]

I have to admit i have not studied much of the manual at all of the N9 so i could well have seen a blank space and not realised.

I do find it VERY strange such a high end device component wise does not have an SD slot.

.

You mean like the Iphone?

[abill_uk]

You mean like the Iphone?

Actually i was only reffering to Nokia devices but yes good point ;)

[afaq]

Actually i was only reffering to Nokia devices but yes good point ;)

Well Nokia broke a lot of habits with the N9. Some good some bad.

Good
It's not Symbian
Sleek and thin

Bad
no SD slot
non-removable battery
uses micro-sim card
(for the life of me cannot understand this choice. For any one who travels or has more than one phone this just kills choice. So disappointed)

[scapegoat845]

uses micro-sim card
(for the life of me cannot understand this choice. For any one who travels or has more than one phone this just kills choice. So disappointed)

I'm also pissed about this, but they do make an adapter to convert back to reg. sized sim...

[abill_uk]

Well Nokia broke a lot of habits with the N9. Some good some bad.

Good
It's not Symbian
Sleek and thin

Bad
no SD slot
non-removable battery
uses micro-sim card
(for the life of me cannot understand this choice. For any one who travels or has more than one phone this just kills choice. So disappointed)

It is technology moving forward and something we do not always like as changes mean all sorts of things sometimes like the micro-sim for instance but onward we go.

There has to be a sleek and slim device now and then as bulky devices like the N900 are not everyones flavour obviously.

The non removal battery is obviously to give Nokia care centres and engineers alike, work, but not everyone will agree to this one i feel.

Look at the important side and that is the ease of use and the OS looks gooood from the video's kindly posted by members on this thread !.

Could be Nokia's best yet ?.

[abill_uk]

Actually i can bet my life that there will be an easy adaptor to use regular size simm that will fit inside nicely, actually i will look into that one.

[vivmak]

Ah I remember these guys. They got a pretty good rep. IIRC.
They were among the 1st to get the N900 into Australia.
$749 AUD's pretty damn good for 64GB don't ya'll reckon?
At least at this early stage.....

What is going to be so special for this phone to attract that kind of money? It is another phone from Nokia that runs MeeGo not Symbian, it is probably not going to open as N900 and we will have to rely on the developers to get apps and Nokia for updates (that may never happen !)

I like the swipe, but really, not for that money, price shouldn't be any more than the current price of E7 or N8 which is between AUD 400 and 490.

It is just another phone from Nokia to keep it going in the smart phone market and hence should be competitively priced and frankly, it is not going to much advantage over Galaxy S (not even SII) other than the swipe.....

I stand corrected though.:)

[lma]

I'm also pissed about this, but they do make an adapter to convert back to reg. sized sim...

Most people are probably interested in the ability to insert a newly-purchased SIM into the N9 when they travel, not the ability to move the N9's SIM around to other phones.

[erendorn]

uses micro-sim card
(for the life of me cannot understand this choice. For any one who travels or has more than one phone this just kills choice. So disappointed)

This is the same as saying that micro SD are crap because you can't use them in SD slots.
i.e. it does not make sense (or I am missing something on the micro-sim concept).

The only issue could be when you would want to use an other sim in the phone. Then you would have to cut it, which is not always practical if it's not yours.

I'll just cut the two sims I use, buy two adapters, and be done with it.

[ericsson]

Well Nokia broke a lot of habits with the N9. Some good some bad.

Good
It's not Symbian
Sleek and thin

Bad
no SD slot
non-removable battery
uses micro-sim card
(for the life of me cannot understand this choice. For any one who travels or has more than one phone this just kills choice. So disappointed)

I like all of that.

[Kozzi]

Just saw one today on a train at home-station, he has a cyan one and looked brand new. If Nokia is going to announce the arrival date soon for N9, this person is in a grave danger.

[catbus]

Just saw one today on a train at home-station, he has a cyan one and looked brand new. If Nokia is going to announce the arrival date soon for N9, this person is a grave danger.

I guess you followed up at home this dude ?

[jalyst]

where have the prices come from?

http://mynokiablog.com/2011/08/09/nokia-n9-priced-in-uk-519-95-mobilefun/

[daperl]

A crime has been committed:

Nokia: the N9 isn't coming to America (http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/09/nokia-the-n9-isnt-coming-to-america/)

originating article: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2100082/nokia-quiet-n9-uk-launch

[Kozzi]

I guess you followed up at home this dude ?

Nope he was faster at running than me

[scapegoat845]

Actually i can bet my life that there will be an easy adaptor to use regular size simm that will fit inside nicely, actually i will look into that one.

Ignore the phone that they're using... ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4yuECK1lG0

[scapegoat845]

Most people are probably interested in the ability to insert a newly-purchased SIM into the N9 when they travel, not the ability to move the N9's SIM around to other phones.


Gotcha, thx for clarification.... Well, there's always a sim cutter, lol

[catbus]

A crime has been committed:

Nokia: the N9 isn't coming to America (http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/09/nokia-the-n9-isnt-coming-to-america/)

originating article: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2100082/nokia-quiet-n9-uk-launch

wait a couple more weeks and N9 is canceled... :eek:

[bandora]

A crime has been committed:

Nokia: the N9 isn't coming to America (http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/09/nokia-the-n9-isnt-coming-to-america/)

originating article: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2100082/nokia-quiet-n9-uk-launch

I guess this thread should be now renamed "N9: It's not coming." :D

[mscion]

wait a couple more weeks and N9 is canceled... :eek:

Hey! I got a great idea for Nokia if they decide to cancell the N9. Why don't they give out, say, 250 N9s to developers so that can put all their energies into creating great apps and improvements to user experience that nobody can use.

This is getting so old...

[gerbick]

Like the others have said above, Engadget and the rest of the blogosphere is announcing that the Nokia N9 will not be sold in the US, UK... not yet at least.

Nokia Sweden says no N9 for US (http://www.knowyourcell.com/news/1005624/no_nokia_n9_for_us_not_yet_anyway.html)
MeegoExperts also reports no N9 for the US (http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/08/nokia-n9-coming-america/)...

So, insiders. Care to confirm or deny this? No hints. No ********. Just a simple, straight answer.

[catbus]

swipe.nokia.fi is open... there is little hope...

[afaq]

This is the same as saying that micro SD are crap because you can't use them in SD slots.
i.e. it does not make sense (or I am missing something on the micro-sim concept).

The only issue could be when you would want to use an other sim in the phone. Then you would have to cut it, which is not always practical if it's not yours.

I'll just cut the two sims I use, buy two adapters, and be done with it.

It is not the same. There is a benefit in having a smaller SD card with large capacity but tell me why i would want a smaller sim where almost no phone in the market uses the same size? iphone 4 is not important as i'll not go near that phone.

[mikecomputing]

619 Euro for 16GB and that Aegis crap? You're kidding me. I know the price will fall, but i will never again pay even 400 Euros for a (new) cellphone. 420 for the N73 was the max amount ever. The technology just gets old too quickly. For that money (~600 Euro) you can get quite a good vacation trip already, to overseas.

around 5500 SEK(600 EUR) is totally ok IMHO IF it had 64Gb.

reason is simple. The buildquallity of nokia hw is often better than crap androids even n900 with some broken usb ports sometimes better. for example give me one android with good camera as N8 and N9 (or even n900 sometimes). also N9 has nfc. NFC is a must for me.

but I agree over 600eur is not okey :(

[ericsson]

A crime has been committed:

Nokia: the N9 isn't coming to America (http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/09/nokia-the-n9-isnt-coming-to-america/)

originating article: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2100082/nokia-quiet-n9-uk-launch

Muuuuhaaaaaa :D:D :D :D :D

OK, I am 3 years old :D Seriously though, it is funny. I mean the coolest phone since http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_PdmXZDBrwrQ/TE73SkucimI/AAAAAAAAAR0/qQxJAJDpjMM/s1600/nokia-old-phone.jpg and it is not coming to the US of A LOL

A more sober approach. Would this phone be a success in the homeland of fanboyism and bad-taste, the USA? If the answer is probably not, then this decision is simply common sense. In the rest of the world where people are already growing tired of iPhones and Galaxys, the answer to the question is it will sell OK.

[tissot]

They really are trying hard to make this device forgotten as fast as possible.

Rather than finally announcing release date for it, they go on announcing markets that wont be getting the device at all...

[zymo]

They really are trying hard to make this device forgotten as fast as possible.

Rather than finally announcing release date for it, they go on announcing markets that wont be getting the device at all...

20th Century Fox proudly presents „Die Hard 5“ starring Nokia N9 :D

[tushyd]

Hopefully it'll get released in India by late october, I can pick one up when I'm there.

[don_falcone]

OMG... seems we could get further / cheaper by coupling a PandaBoard w/ 3G modem, and integrate the SW ourself. Now only for a nice case, a slim battery, a suitable screen and a HWKB...
What a waste of time.

[daperl]

Muuuuhaaaaaa :D:D :D :D :D

OK, I am 3 years old :D Seriously though, it is funny. I mean the coolest phone since http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_PdmXZDBrwrQ/TE73SkucimI/AAAAAAAAAR0/qQxJAJDpjMM/s1600/nokia-old-phone.jpg and it is not coming to the US of A LOL

Okay, you can gloat for now, but if I get my hands on one these masterpieces for a reasonable price, I'll be back. And I sure hope the rumor that cyan only comes in 16 GB is also false.

[mikecomputing]

any idea if harmattan support themes ? background picture support for application grid and notification screen ?

AFAIK same themedaemon as Meego N9xxCE

http://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/meegotouch-theme

[zymo]

Current Situation of Nokia N9

[mikecomputing]

You mean like the Iphone?

SD costs money both in case of HW(cardslot) and licence for SD card.


What I am more affraid of is the speed of internal EMMC?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital

[mikecomputing]

What is going to be so special for this phone to attract that kind of money? It is another phone from Nokia that runs MeeGo not Symbian, it is probably not going to open as N900 and we will have to rely on the developers to get apps and Nokia for updates (that may never happen !)

I like the swipe, but really, not for that money, price shouldn't be any more than the current price of E7 or N8 which is between AUD 400 and 490.

It is just another phone from Nokia to keep it going in the smart phone market and hence should be competitively priced and frankly, it is not going to much advantage over Galaxy S (not even SII) other than the swipe.....

I stand corrected though.:)

Almost as open as N900CE.

N950 has already an N950 CE image and N9CE is pending...

http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/daily/1.2.0.90.12.20110805.1.DE.2011-08-08.1/images/mg-handset-armv7nhl-n950-ce-testing/

[ericsson]

Okay, you can gloat for now, but if I get my hands on one these masterpieces for a reasonable price, I'll be back. And I sure hope the rumor that cyan only comes in 16 GB is also false.

All colors and shapes:
http://cdon.no/mobiltelefoni/kommende_telefoner/

I am sure the prices will drop rapidly when people discover that it is impossible to connect to Android market/iTunes to download apps :D But to be honest, they are pushing it as the best out of the box experience with all the quality apps you need and best web experience, and still Ovi is available for more apps, so it is not like they are fooling anyone. It may very well be a hit.

I think I read somewhere that less than 10% of all iPhone users are responsible for more than 90% of the total downloads. Makes you think.

Whatever happens, one black 16 GB N9 is mine. She doesn't know it yet, but I think she will be happy when she finds out :D

[mikecomputing]

A crime has been committed:

Nokia: the N9 isn't coming to America (http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/09/nokia-the-n9-isnt-coming-to-america/)

originating article: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2100082/nokia-quiet-n9-uk-launch

If this rumor are true You americans should nolt blame Nokia. Blame your nice company named Microsoft and also the operators.

Now I really hate Microsoft even more and hope WP7 will fail as hell in european :-(

[lma]

Almost as open as N900CE.

N950 has already an N950 CE image


Are there any reports of such a beast booting successfully?

and N9CE is pending...

Any idea what the problem that has no solution (http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N950#Open_issues) yet is?


http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/daily/1.2.0.90.12.20110805.1.DE.2011-08-08.1/images/mg-handset-armv7nhl-n950-ce-testing/

That's not a MeeGo CE image btw, just a (failed) build log.

[quipper8]

A crime has been committed:

Nokia: the N9 isn't coming to America (http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/09/nokia-the-n9-isnt-coming-to-america/)

originating article: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2100082/nokia-quiet-n9-uk-launch

I am sure this information has at least something to do with such decisions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_mobile_phones_in_us e

And US is kind of tapped out already with 96%. US Market is over, Nokia knows it lost, on to greener pastures.

[mikecomputing]

Muuuuhaaaaaa :D:D :D :D :D

OK, I am 3 years old :D Seriously though, it is funny. I mean the coolest phone since http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_PdmXZDBrwrQ/TE73SkucimI/AAAAAAAAAR0/qQxJAJDpjMM/s1600/nokia-old-phone.jpg and it is not coming to the US of A LOL

A more sober approach. Would this phone be a success in the homeland of fanboyism and bad-taste, the USA? If the answer is probably not, then this decision is simply common sense. In the rest of the world where people are already growing tired of iPhones and Galaxys, the answer to the question is it will sell OK.

As an European I don't think this is fun et all :mad:

Actually MicroNokia is PISSING on the Linux/Meego community in the US!!! This is a way to kill opensource in the US! and in the long run also european :mad:

and I think thats is ****ing most stupid thing they done so far :mad:

Still most to blame is Microsoft and possibly the carriers in the US :mad:

I hope US people fight this cause as an european I am on the openSource community in all countrys.

[ericsson]

I am sure this information has at least something to do with such decisions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_mobile_phones_in_us e

And US is kind of tapped out already with 96%. US Market is over, Nokia knows it lost, on to greener pastures.

Nonsense. The US has 96% usage. Europe has has more than 100%, more like 120-130% on average (1.2-1.3 phones per person). Europe is definitely saturated, as is Russia, Argentina, Brazil and so on. That's where the N9 is going.

[jalyst]

A crime has been committed:

Nokia: the N9 isn't coming to America (http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/09/nokia-the-n9-isnt-coming-to-america/)

originating article: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2100082/nokia-quiet-n9-uk-launch

sigh.............................................. .......

[marxian]

Current Situation of Nokia N9

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/5904/elopn9.jpg (http://img534.imageshack.us/i/elopn9.jpg/)

[mikecomputing]

Are there any reports of such a beast booting successfully?



Any idea what the problem that has no solution (http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N950#Open_issues) yet is?



That's not a MeeGo CE image btw, just a (failed) build log.

I am not involved in this myself just following mailinglists/forum and IRC.

But check at IRC on freenode.net #meego-arm and #harmattan they may give answers :-)

[mikecomputing]

I am sure this information has at least something to do with such decisions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_mobile_phones_in_us e

And US is kind of tapped out already with 96%. US Market is over, Nokia knows it lost, on to greener pastures.

Lost in US maybe but not in rest of world. Oh well only if they really are stupid enought to think WP7 is right in all countrys cause then they will for sure FAIL :(

[ericsson]

As an European I don't think this is fun et all :mad:

Actually MicroNokia is PISSING on the Linux/Meego community in the US!!! This is a way to kill opensource in the US! and in the long run also european :mad:

and I think thats is ****ing most stupid thing they done so far :mad:

Still most to blame is Microsoft and possibly the carriers in the US :mad:

I hope US people fight this cause as an european I am on the openSource community in all countrys.

I actually tend to agree with you. But, Nokia has very little to do with this I think. The carriers in the US don't want the N9 - period. And if the carriers say jump, the entire population asks how high, and there is nothing Nokia can do about it. Sad but true. Only one man has the guts to face them and show them the finger, and that is Steve Jobs.

Forgot one thing. Symbian had more than 50% market share even though they had no share to speak of in the US. Besides, Amazon is sure to sell the N9 sooner rather than later. Already in Germany:
http://www.amazon.de/Nokia-Smartphone-Display-Touchscreen-Megapixel/dp/B005FIY8EG/ref=pd_rhf_p_t_1

[jalyst]

http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/08/09/good-quality-videos-showing-gallery-music-player-gps-etc/
prolly just a white skin
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/08/09/white-nokia-n9-spotted-again/

[daperl]

fuuuuck!!!

[mscion]

http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/08/09/good-quality-videos-showing-gallery-music-player-gps-etc/
prolly just a white skin
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/08/09/white-nokia-n9-spotted-again/

Pretty slick! Wish I could have one...

This may be a somewhat arcane concern and maybe nobody cares anymore but does the VKB on the N9 have a ctrl key? Perhaps I missed it but I didn't notice it in these videos. Maybe shown elsewhere. For what its worth the N950 has one. Checked out a Droid 3 and you have to press the volume key to get a ctrl character which is a pain and rather disappointing given it's has a nice hwkb. Also the up and coming Samsung SGH I927 doesn't seem to have one on the HWKB either...

[tissot]

http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/08/09/good-quality-videos-showing-gallery-music-player-gps-etc/
prolly just a white skin
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/08/09/white-nokia-n9-spotted-again/

Dsmobile from mobile-review forums did say that there is actually white version of N9, but there's just some prototypes used by workers.

Reading these announcements i doubt one of Nokia's main priorities will be to launch new color for N9 in the future.... we might see white Sea Ray.

[gerbick]

I would rant about how each and every step around the Nokia N9 has been undercut by the current board of directors and CEO. From the N9 announcement, then immediately thereafter the Sea Ray "leak".

I could talk about how delusional the board of directors are if they think that Windows Phone 7 is going to "save them"... or how delusional anybody else is if they think Maemo/MeeGo will save Nokia.

I could rant in an egocentric, typically American way about how we got potentially shafted over a phone that nobody invariably would care about - just the fans, just the FOSS nerds, just us TMO dwellers that happen to also be American.

What I will say though... limited releases from Nokia are nothing new. But this one, strange. Let's just leave it at that.

[gerbick]

I actually tend to agree with you. But, Nokia has very little to do with this I think.

Actually... I have to disagree fully with you. If Nokia USA was able to still accept and process orders, instead of closing up and leaving their sales to Amazon... then Nokia would have still had a process to accept payments, distribute the N9 just as they had with with Nokia N9.

Very little to do with the US cellphone carriers. They've not sold subsidized N-series phones since the crippled N73 by AT&T. But Nokia's decision to shut down Nokia USA and Nokia Canada means that the phone invariably will not be distributed by Nokia directly, nor via US carrier. That's how it's been here in this North American market.

But Nokia is at fault. They should have better sales distribution avenues and they do not.

[jalyst]

Dsmobile from mobile-review forums did say that there is actually white version of N9, but there's just some prototypes used by workers.
Reading these announcements i doubt one of Nokia's main priorities will be to launch new color for N9 in the future.... we might see white Sea Ray.

Someone made the point that they're likely to release colors that mach their accessories
http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/headsets/stereo-bluetooth-headsets/nokia-bluetooth-stereo-headset-bh-111
But probably only for Sea-ray... frackzzzzz...
I'm going to go massacre Elop now, farewell all.

[quipper8]

Nonsense. The US has 96% usage. Europe has has more than 100%, more like 120-130% on average (1.2-1.3 phones per person). Europe is definitely saturated, as is Russia, Argentina, Brazil and so on. That's where the N9 is going.

It really is not nonsense. In the American model of mobile phone usage, most people do not have more than one device used on the same plan, hell, on the largest US carrier, Verizon, you cannot use two different devices on the same plan without calling to customer service which entails a nice long hold time and then a nice long conversation to explain to the 'service' representative that yes, you actually own your devices and can switch between them. Verizon is also CDMA and does not use sim cards except for a few models.

Given above, in addition to the carrier subsidy model which often includes two year contracts, in addition to the preference of americans for iphones, it does seem the American market is saturated and of no real benefit to Nokia currently.

When verizon switches to LTE(which will operate more like GSM folks are accustomed to) and the carrier subsidy/contract model is defeated in the US, then Nokia may have a chance here.

In my opinion, Nokia is using a a type of cross-plot of carrier power(ie where people are more likely or not to buy or even be able to buy unlocked sim free devices) on one axis and market potential on another axis in deciding where to market and release such a device as the n9.

And if the carriers say jump, the entire population asks how high, and there is nothing Nokia can do about it. Sad but true. Only one man has the guts to face them and show them the finger, and that is Steve Jobs.

Not really true, Jobs has always dealt with carriers preferentially, first giving ATT exclusivity not selling any unlocked devices and then also creating a cdma version which is virtually always locked by the cellular technology it uses(will only work on verizon)

Anyway, I too wish that it would be easier for me to get an n9 here in the States, but I understand that it makes total business sense for Nokia to not worry setting up a channel here for the few sales they will receive.

[jalyst]

http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/09/nokia-to-retire-symbian-in-north-america-going-all-in-on-window/

[mikecomputing]

Actually... I have to disagree fully with you. If Nokia USA was able to still accept and process orders, instead of closing up and leaving their sales to Amazon... then Nokia would have still had a process to accept payments, distribute the N9 just as they had with with Nokia N9.

Very little to do with the US cellphone carriers. They've not sold subsidized N-series phones since the crippled N73 by AT&T. But Nokia's decision to shut down Nokia USA and Nokia Canada means that the phone invariably will not be distributed by Nokia directly, nor via US carrier. That's how it's been here in this North American market.

But Nokia is at fault. They should have better sales distribution avenues and they do not.

No theyar are not cause Microsoft controls Nokia in the US...

And I begin to realise this is what Elop is talking about when he talking about WP7. He is talkinhg about US and seems forget the rest of the world. Probadly cause its US most stockholders are in?

Means Symbian/Meego will still be alive in european/asia. Cause they know it will take some time before they actually have brainwatched US consumers. And when that is done european is next to try.

Still I think they will fail:cool:

[hotnikkelz]

No theyar are not cause Microsoft controls Nokia in the US...

And I begin to realise this is what Elop is talking about when he bashing about WP7.

Means Symbian/Meego will still be alive in european and WP7. Cause they know it will take some time before they actually have brainwatched US consumers. And when that is done european is next to try.

Still I think they will fail:cool:

Yes they are, Microsoft does not CONTROL Nokia. Nokia controls ITSELF, but is going to be 100% reliant on Microsoft's OS in the US market. This reliance has nothing to do with the carrier relationships or distribution. Less availability of devices means much less sales. It's as simple as that. US being as 'carrier run' as it is doesn't bode well with Nokia's unsubsidized strategy that they have employed for so long in the US.

You keep wishing for WP7 to fail. Keep in mind, if WP7 fails.....Nokia fails. So yea.... :/

[mikecomputing]

Yes they are, Microsoft does not CONTROL Nokia. Nokia controls ITSELF, but is going to be 100% reliant on Microsoft's OS in the US market. This reliance has nothing to do with the carrier relationships or distribution. Less availability of devices means much less sales. It's as simple as that. US being as 'carrier run' as it is doesn't bode well with Nokia's unsubsidized strategy that they have employed for so long in the US.

You keep wishing for WP7 to fail. Keep in mind, if WP7 fails.....Nokia fails. So yea.... :/

If WP7 fails i dont care about them as company.

Or more exaclty if they kill Meego/Symbian in favor of WP7 globally and fails I dont give a ****.

But AGAIN Nokia is more than US. and I still beleive Microsoft has MUCH influence in Nokias decisions for US.

1. Microsoft would never allow Nokia to release theyr MobileOffice for Meego

2. Microsoft HATES opensource and Linux and theyr and see it as a competitor. Just take a look in all the damn patent issues going on now. Not only related to Microsoft ofcourse but still..

3. Nokia had probadly to pay Microsoft alot for licence fees for using Exchange/FAT32 etc on Meego.

So my point is Microsoft and Apple is controlling the market in US and wihout them Nokia has no chance in US.

[jcar302]

Out of curiosity, if there truly isn't a US version of the n9, what are warranty options on an import?
Are we just screwed if it breaks?
Seriously affects if and when i purchase. If it's impossible to warranty, that may be a deal breaker, i certainly wouldn't be an early adopter, that's for sure.

[Rauha]

I am sure this information has at least something to do with such decisions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_mobile_phones_in_us e

And US is kind of tapped out already with 96%. US Market is over, Nokia knows it lost, on to greener pastures.
96% is actually quite low. You might check your link again. Most, if not all, countries where N9 has been confirmed have much higher adaptation rate.

EDIT:nvm read your later post. Interesting theory.

[olighak]

Out of curiosity, if there truly isn't a US version of the n9, what are warranty options on an import?
Are we just screwed if it breaks?
Seriously affects if and when i purchase. If it's impossible to warranty, that may be a deal breaker, i certainly wouldn't be an early adopter, that's for sure.

Buy it from Europe.

You get a two year warranty instead of the US 1 year.

You´ll have to mail the device off for repairs (same as in the US) with a raised postage.

You´ll have the device repaired (it happens pretty quickly) and then shipped back to you.

My Denmark bought N95-1 broke down 2 days before the 2 year warranty expired. As I had moved to Raleigh, NC, I just UPS´d it back to a repair shop in Copenhagen and 2 days later they UPS´d it back.

I could have USPS´d it to save costs but I needed it faster.

Works wonders :)

The one I used was Mobildoktoren (The Mobile Doctor), they´ve got a webpage at http://www.mobildoktoren.dk/ and are a authorized Nokia Repair shop so if it´s under warranty, they´ll fix it without other charge than the shipping one.

[bsd1101]

i'm starting to think if it will be worth it for me to even get the n9. I really want the phone but now I have to import it, pay a crazy amount and know that in a few months there will be a new android with better specs.

n900 till it commits suicide and than i'll think about what to get.

[mscion]

i'm starting to think if it will be worth it for me to even get the n9. I really want the phone but now I have to import it, pay a crazy amount and know that in a few months there will be a new android with better specs.

n900 till it commits suicide and than i'll think about what to get.

I think the androids have had better specs for awhile -at lest interms of CPU. The N9 has nicer UI.

[ericsson]

Actually... I have to disagree fully with you. If Nokia USA was able to still accept and process orders, instead of closing up and leaving their sales to Amazon... then Nokia would have still had a process to accept payments, distribute the N9 just as they had with with Nokia N9.

Very little to do with the US cellphone carriers. They've not sold subsidized N-series phones since the crippled N73 by AT&T. But Nokia's decision to shut down Nokia USA and Nokia Canada means that the phone invariably will not be distributed by Nokia directly, nor via US carrier. That's how it's been here in this North American market.

But Nokia is at fault. They should have better sales distribution avenues and they do not.

I saw the other thread now, and Nokia has done some strange things in the past, but this is unprecedented. I still can't believe Nokia would do such a thing, but there are some logics in all that strangeness as well. Nokia isn't selling much in the US, so to focus on one thing makes perfectly sense. With WP they get lots of help from Samsung, HTC and LG, with Harmattan/Symbian they are alone and unwanted and reliable on Ovi.

With all the badmouth Symbian/Ovi has got in the US, it is after all understandable they just want to quit. Harmattan is just an unfortunate casualty.

It is just phones we are talking about here, no real damage done, life goes on. Looking forward to my N9 while enjoying my E6 and my Wave :D What it all comes down to is that the E6, the N9 and the Wave all are just too good for the land who worship fanboism as a religion IMO.

[bsd1101]

I think the androids have had better specs for awhile -at lest interms of CPU. The N9 has nicer UI.

probably better stability as well. I've heard good and bad things about android but the way Nokia's going we won't be left with much choice by the end of next year. N9 no matter how amazing won't keep up after time.

[mikecomputing]

Out of curiosity, if there truly isn't a US version of the n9, what are warranty options on an import?
Are we just screwed if it breaks?
Seriously affects if and when i purchase. If it's impossible to warranty, that may be a deal breaker, i certainly wouldn't be an early adopter, that's for sure.

rumors says there will be an US N9 but with wp7 probadly that is the white someone has talked about?

[ericsson]

It really is not nonsense. In the American model of mobile phone usage, most people do not have more than one device used on the same plan, hell, on the largest US carrier, Verizon, you cannot use two different devices on the same plan without calling to customer service which entails a nice long hold time and then a nice long conversation to explain to the 'service' representative that yes, you actually own your devices and can switch between them. Verizon is also CDMA and does not use sim cards except for a few models.

Given above, in addition to the carrier subsidy model which often includes two year contracts, in addition to the preference of americans for iphones, it does seem the American market is saturated and of no real benefit to Nokia currently.

When verizon switches to LTE(which will operate more like GSM folks are accustomed to) and the carrier subsidy/contract model is defeated in the US, then Nokia may have a chance here.

In my opinion, Nokia is using a a type of cross-plot of carrier power(ie where people are more likely or not to buy or even be able to buy unlocked sim free devices) on one axis and market potential on another axis in deciding where to market and release such a device as the n9.



Not really true, Jobs has always dealt with carriers preferentially, first giving ATT exclusivity not selling any unlocked devices and then also creating a cdma version which is virtually always locked by the cellular technology it uses(will only work on verizon)

Anyway, I too wish that it would be easier for me to get an n9 here in the States, but I understand that it makes total business sense for Nokia to not worry setting up a channel here for the few sales they will receive.

Yea well, I guess the American draconian carrier thing is too surrealistic for me to grasp. But I still don't fully get it. You can purchase unlocked GSM phones, but prefer not to.

[mikecomputing]

probably better stability as well. I've heard good and bad things about android but the way Nokia's going we won't be left with much choice by the end of next year. N9 no matter how amazing won't keep up after time.

again this depends on region....
N9 may very well have a chance in euurope/asia but I guess this is upto the consumer if they blindly beleive in MrFlop FUD or if they use theyr ownh brain and buys devices after how good it is. people over and over forgets that Meego .is using Qt+Webkiit and so on and this IS still supported both on symbian and. Meego. It doesnt help how much MrFlop and his US fanboys says. Its a fact.

As I said before it looks more and more MrFlop just talks to US people (and also media) and they forgot rest of the world...

[catbus]

As I said before it looks more and more MrFlop just talks to US people (and also media) and they forgot rest of the world...

I was just thinking the same issue... US is quite big market, but... US is allready polluted with iThings and the growing market is elsewhere...

But again, WP for US = ok, S40 for emerging economies = ok, N9/linux/meego for future smartphones and after year or three, fully replacing symbian... = ok ? <- Nokia just don't see that...

edit: I forgot (y)

[danramos]

A crime has been committed:

Nokia: the N9 isn't coming to America (http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/09/nokia-the-n9-isnt-coming-to-america/)

originating article: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2100082/nokia-quiet-n9-uk-launch

This doesn't surprise me. I'm sure somebody will be happy, though.
http://pleco.org/heh/061130_ballmer.jpg

wait a couple more weeks and N9 is canceled... :eek:

This wouldn't surprise me either.

http://pleco.org/heh/MAEMO-RIP.jpg

reason is simple. The buildquallity of nokia hw is often better than crap androids even n900 with some broken usb ports sometimes better. for example give me one android with good camera as N8 and N9 (or even n900 sometimes). also N9 has nfc. NFC is a must for me.

Tiny screen, flimsy USB port, flimsy keyboard... naw that is ROCK SOLID Nokia engineering there.

If this rumor are true You americans should nolt blame Nokia. Blame your nice company named Microsoft and also the operators.

Now I really hate Microsoft even more and hope WP7 will fail as hell in european :-(

Surely, we can make room to blame Nokia's board. Surely.

When verizon switches to LTE(which will operate more like GSM folks are accustomed to) and the carrier subsidy/contract model is defeated in the US, then Nokia may have a chance here.

Report: Verizon, AT&T LTE phones likely incompatible
While the two carriers will be using the same underlying technology, called Long-Term Evolution, both will be using different frequencies of spectrum, the radio airwaves necessary for transmitting cellular signals. Verizon Wireless representative Brenda Raney confirmed to PC Mag that its phones will run on different frequencies than what AT&T plans to use when it launches (http://www.cnet.com/8301-17918_1-20066054-85.html) LTE in five cities as planned this summer.
Source: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-20079570-94/report-verizon-at-t-lte-phones-likely-incompatible/

Nokia are idiotic, just the same, not to even try to create a market for themselves despite the carrier locking. Samsung, for instance, came in late to the game and is doing an excellent job of covering the entire spectrum. Nokia is clearly a failure and an uncompetitive weakling.

Out of curiosity, if there truly isn't a US version of the n9, what are warranty options on an import?
Are we just screwed if it breaks?
Seriously affects if and when i purchase. If it's impossible to warranty, that may be a deal breaker, i certainly wouldn't be an early adopter, that's for sure.

If that's actually a concern and you live in the United States of America, I'm not sure why you're considering a Nokia branded product in the first place.

[gerbick]

No theyar are not cause Microsoft controls Nokia in the US...

Proof. I want it. Speculation, I have no need for it. Fanaticism, I have no time for it.

So prove it with facts.

And I begin to realise this is what Elop is talking about when he talking about WP7. He is talkinhg about US and seems forget the rest of the world. Probadly cause its US most stockholders are in?

Disagree. WP7 is the new kid on the block. Microsoft wants to sell it, so they'll have more people using their maps, using Bing, using Live.com, using XBOX 360.

See that? That's called an ecosystem by Elop and others. And guess what? So far, it's not sold well. But it was sold awfully well to the Nokia board of members.

Means Symbian/Meego will still be alive in european/asia. Cause they know it will take some time before they actually have brainwatched US consumers. And when that is done european is next to try.

Better hope Accenture doesn't sell it. Or close it up more. Or just discontinue it. Who knows what they will do with Symbian.

And for a brainwashed set of folks, even the USA'Mericans aren't buying WP7 in mass numbers. So yeah... who's brainwashed? The few folks that bought WP7 in the US, or the entire (and mostly European) Nokia board of directors (http://www.nokia.com/about-nokia/corporate-governance/board-of-directors)... seriously. They're about the only people that bought WP7 hook, line and sinker.

Congrats. Nokia's run by people more stupid than Americans.

[gerbick]

The badmouth Symbian/Ovi has got in the US, it is after all understandable they just want to quit. Harmattan is just an unfortunate casualty.

Correction: Symbian/Ovi got no coverage in the US. No marketing. No press. Nothing. If you count Engadget or Gizmodo, then understand that it was up to Nokia to use them as advertising vessels (under the guise of tech blogs nonetheless).

[catbus]

Congrats. Nokia's run by people more stupid than Americans.

Biggest shareholders were worried about US-market... And why? Bcause their are from US...

Well... I just hope that N9 will come available "soon" and would broke markets... And after that, US-market get N9-clone, WP inside...

Have to edit: Lol, "...more stupid than Americans"... d) Canada... :D

[jo21]

screw this

i am glad i ordered my galaxy s2.

elop take care or ur ***.

nokia will not survive pass 2013.

[gerbick]

Biggest shareholders were worried about US-market... And why? Bcause their are from US...

I keep hearing this. But without proof of aforesaid shareholder influence, I can't say that I believe it to be true; mainly for one reason... lack of advertising. If you want growth/share, you advertise.

Didn't happen.

Now Microsoft is about kick off a huge advertising campaign with Mango, Nokia is going to step up a huge advertising campaign as well.

Why couldn't that have happened before?

For those reason(s), I tend to doubt the influence of the North American shareholder and look back at the board of directors.

[jo21]

I keep hearing this. But without proof of aforesaid shareholder influence, I can't say that I believe it to be true; mainly for one reason... lack of advertising. If you want growth/share, you advertise.

Didn't happen.

Now Microsoft is about kick off a huge advertising campaign with Mango, Nokia is going to step up a huge advertising campaign as well.

Why couldn't that have happened before?

For those reason(s), I tend to doubt the influence of the North American shareholder and look back at the board of directors.

it better be another 500m marketing , because the last one was huge failure

[aironeous]

A crime has been committed:

Nokia: the N9 isn't coming to America (http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/09/nokia-the-n9-isnt-coming-to-america/)

originating article: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2100082/nokia-quiet-n9-uk-launch
OK I'm calm, I'm calm, I'm not going to curse, even though I hate stupidity, .................
OMFG ELOP = FAIL

[Rugoz]

You should see the positive side of the story, obviously the N9 is considered to be a threat/disturbance to wp7 sales in the US. I mean it won't even be sold unlocked, right?

I wonder how americans can buy N9s now with warranty, is that still somehow possible? Otherwise I feel sorry for all the american maemo fans.

[danramos]

As someone kept trying to tell me, people, "Why don't you just move on?" Hmm? The irony.

[aironeous]

If Elop succeeds in preventing me from getting the N9 here in the U.S.
I will become anti Nokia. I'm not kidding.

And I will follow and purchase meego products from now on (except Nokia products) and I will strive to in my free time know the names of the Nokia board members and find them on the internet and make as many "you're stupid and an idiot" comments as I can about them.

Seriously this is the stupidest move on Nokias part that I have ever seen if this is true that they will not bring the N9 to the US in any way or prevent it from getting here.

It should not be "this OS versus that OS" the time has come to embrace more than one OS on one device. Dual boot meego and windows because others are doing it. Take the Maestro for example http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/17/evolve-iii-maestro-slate-triple-boots-android-meego-and-windows/

Elop's "it's a war of ecosystems" is f'n BS! It's time to embrace multiple OS's and show us what you got hardware wise and stop making excuses to hide that you are a MS trojan horse and disguise it as something else.

[ericsson]

it better be another 500m marketing , because the last one was huge failure


Too much drama. The lack of market share in the US has been a thorn in the side of Nokia for many years, so many years that it has become infected. Based on sound business principles, Nokia has overreacted a bit, but it is difficult to see a path without WP. Banning the N9 clearly is part of this overreacting, but still it is understandable. All confusion about Nokia is now gone. The Americans now get a streamlined product series, which quite frankly is the only thing the americans understand and can relate to.

The previous MS marketing campaign was stupid. "come, get this super high tech new platform that is so high tech it is low tech. You will not even notice us" People don't want that, they want to be blown away with advanced technokogy that is FUN and easy to use. In addition the hardware was of abyssmal quality.

WP will surely pick up momentum this time. All the major phone manufacturers are in for the ride, and this alone will kick jump the sales.

Too bad for americans that they will never again get any of the more "experimental" stuff, the cool stuff from a geekish perspective (MeeGo, Bada, Qt, Symbian, new S40, the new chinese Linux phones and so on). IMO it suits them well, they get what they deserve with their draconian operator rules and the worshipping of fanboyism as a religion.

[afaq]

Can't add much to the conversations about Nokia in the US, but can someone tell me what strategy MS will use to sell Nokia handsets? Because from what I can tell thats what will have to happen. Consumers will have to be convinced that this newcomer (Nokia) is a better alternative to iOS and Android manufacturers.

In Europe Nokia will sell MS. Everyone knows Nokia but if sales assistants in stores, carriers on their sites and tech sites dont get nokia to sound exciting again this wont work. Nokia has closed its own stores and has left the game to the free market completely.

I say best to them because as much as i dislike nokia's recent decisions i do not want them broken and bought by carnivorous companies who will suck their patents dry and throw out Nokia to the dogs. As much as people want this to happen, the result will not be pretty.

[keflex]

company stops selling unsuccessful line of products
small cadre of users fume
rest of country gets on with their lives

[ysss]

company stops selling unsuccessful line of products
small cadre of users fume
rest of country gets on with their lives

Except that this line of product tends to represent some concepts and ideals that are ahead of its time.... (unfortunately with shite marketing and distribution).

(internet tablet, a more open retail device, owning your data, etc).

[marxian]

I think owning your data is a very old concept. It's just one that has become unfashoinable due to the rise of this cloud computing bollox and the proliferation of social networking services.

[rainmaster]

Can't add much to the conversations about Nokia in the US, but can someone tell me what strategy MS will use to sell Nokia handsets? Because from what I can tell thats what will have to happen. Consumers will have to be convinced that this newcomer (Nokia) is a better alternative to iOS and Android manufacturers.

In Europe Nokia will sell MS. Everyone knows Nokia but if sales assistants in stores, carriers on their sites and tech sites dont get nokia to sound exciting again this wont work. Nokia has closed its own stores and has left the game to the free market completely.

I say best to them because as much as i dislike nokia's recent decisions i do not want them broken and bought by carnivorous companies who will suck their patents dry and throw out Nokia to the dogs. As much as people want this to happen, the result will not be pretty.

here's what Nokia is planning
win North America
http://www.businessinsider.com/nokia-explains-how-it-will-win-north-america-2011-8
and check this....Weber: apple and android focus on apps is outdated
http://venturebeat.com/2011/08/09/nokia-exec-android-iphone/
somehow I doubt they can defy the odds or whatever

[zlatokosi]

Can't add much to the conversations about Nokia in the US, but can someone tell me what strategy MS will use to sell Nokia handsets?

Sure, read:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2011/08/10/businessinsider-nokia-explains-how-it-will-win-north-america-2011-8.DTL

On an even weirder note, check this out:
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2011/08/10/no-nokia-sea-ray-windows-phone-for-u-s/

Now that just left me speechless if true...

[afaq]

Interesting read. Thanks for the links. Given that MS is already working with a lot of other manufacturers (HTC, LG) in the US - will be fascinating to see how Nokia can enter this market and then overtake them.

The more I read up on this the more I feel the words Nokia/MS are interchangeable. Just makes sense given Nokia's new strategy.

Anyone know what their UK strategy is?

[marxian]

Anyone know what their UK strategy is?

http://ilifejourney.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/white_flag_surrender-761687.jpg

:D

[BK201]

http://ilifejourney.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/white_flag_surrender-761687.jpg

:D

What else can they do? Even BlackBerry phones are cooler than Nokias now.

[bbin]

So many drama queens over here. Emotions and business decisions are completely different things.

What else can they do? Even BlackBerry phones are cooler than Nokias now.

Oh yes, BlackBerry is really cool right now :D

http://eu.techcrunch.com/2011/08/08/how-blackberry-not-twitter-fuelled-the-fire-under-londons-riots/

[Grazy]

I'm so annoyed!! no release in the UK!! after all this time, reviews and press conferences in the UK!!!


I am now tempted to move away from Nokia!!!! GRRR


http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/nokia-n9-won-t-be-released-in-the-uk-990157

[BK201]

So many drama queens over here. Emotions and business decisions are completely different things.



Oh yes, BlackBerry is really cool right now :D

http://eu.techcrunch.com/2011/08/08/how-blackberry-not-twitter-fuelled-the-fire-under-londons-riots/

Exactly. A few years ago all those kids would have had Nokia phones.

None of the headlines read 'London looters organised through Nokia messaging'... because nobody uses Nokia services other than Maps.

[zymo]

I'm so annoyed!! no release in the UK!! after all this time, reviews and press conferences in the UK!!!


I am now tempted to move away from Nokia!!!! GRRR


http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/nokia-n9-won-t-be-released-in-the-uk-990157

This is really strange. First they announce the N9 in UK and even invite media for some hands-on time with the device and now they are not going to release it there?

[bbin]

This is really strange. First they announce the N9 in UK and even invite media for some hands-on time with the device and now they are not going to release it there?

People always want what they cannot have :p

[afaq]

White flag it might have to be. Nokia is giving up a lot to just succeed in the US. This makes little sense as the rest of the world is as, if not more important. But I suppose if Nokia succeed in the US - it means MS succeeds? Starting to make a lot of sense.

[Chuck Norris]

Why not create a "nokia in US" thread so we can keep talking about n9 here.

[erendorn]

None of the headlines read 'London looters organised through Nokia messaging'... because nobody uses Nokia services other than Maps.

Probably also because Nokia messaging is not encrypted (though I admit I have no idea)

[marxian]

Why not create a "nokia in US" thread so we can keep talking about n9 here.

http://www.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/530331_o.gif#chuck%20norris%20vs%20bruce%20lee%20g if

[marxian]

Exactly. A few years ago all those kids would have had Nokia phones.

None of the headlines read 'London looters organised through Nokia messaging'... because nobody uses Nokia services other than Maps.

There was supposed to be a riot outside the Nokia store, organised by N97 owners, but there were two problems:

1. The store has been closed.
2. The rioters turned up at the wrong location due to GPS failure.

[jcar302]

Yesterday i wrote nokia a short letter with my concerns about the lack of the n9 for the US.
In short, i suggested that the n9 and windows nokia's can exist in the US market, subsidized windows for the masses, and the n9 for the loyalists. I expressed my discontent for how they are just about to alienate all their loyal users to bring in new ones. I understand business is business, but i see no reason the n9 and wp can't coexist here in the US. Seriously, how hard would it be to just let us buy it unlocked online?

Here was the response i got this morning.
"Hi Joe,


Thank you for emailing the Nokia Careline.

We appreciate your interest in our product.

In response to your concern, we would like to inform you that the release date of the Nokia N9 is yet to be determined. Also, we are unable to guarantee if the said device will be available for purchase in the United States. What we can suggest to you is to frequently visit our website as well as our discussion board for more information on this matter.

We are hoping for your patience and understanding on this matter."

A glimmer of hope that a US version may come?

[zymo]

A glimmer of hope that a US version may come?

yes, coming with ebay

[adhrie]

hopefully N9 will be available in my country (Indonesia) soon...

few signs already showing....

nokia indonesia already has a page introducing the N9 (written in bahasa Indonesia)
http://www.nokia.co.id/cari-produk/ponsel/nokia-n9

there is also a page showing accesories for N9 including hardcase, softcase and carrying case (also written in bahasa Indonesia)
http://www.nokia.co.id/cari-produk/aksesoris/semua-aksesoris?phoneid=25113

IIRC from the experience with N900, after a product description appears in nokia indonesia page then it will be released shortly... CMIIW
eventhough from the page info the N9 page was last modified in 12 July 2011 :confused:

as usual nokia indonesia still has no clue (or won't tell) when N9 will be available in Indonesia (been asking them quite a lot and also several nokia retailer)

[hotnikkelz]

Nokia will never succeed in US.

I don't see why not if they changed their strategy. Elaborate further as to why this is an impossibility.

[frostbyte]

Here was the response i got this morning.
"Hi Joe,


Thank you for emailing the Nokia Careline.

We appreciate your interest in our product.

In response to your concern, we would like to inform you that the release date of the Nokia N9 is yet to be determined. Also, we are unable to guarantee if the said device will be available for purchase in the United States. What we can suggest to you is to frequently visit our website as well as our discussion board for more information on this matter.

We are hoping for your patience and understanding on this matter."

A glimmer of hope that a US version may come?

...or, an automated response IT dept. hasn't updated yet to reflect the fact the N9, in fact, will not be sold in the U.S.

[dtergens]

Is this the new strategy & marketing nokia promised months ago ? ("Quick sale after announcement,..."). I still don't understand where are they going ... Can't say now again "I always trust in Nokia" like I said before.^^

And why not let people choose between Meego or WP on their device ? and simply see what to do after few months of sales ...

**** nokia strategy ! engineers should decide what to do in a better world \o/

[sjgadsby]

And why not let people choose between Meego or WP on their device ? and simply see what to do after few months of sales ...

So far as we know, Nokia haven't ported MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan edition to the hardware required by WP7.

[bsd1101]

I think owning your data is a very old concept. It's just one that has become unfashoinable due to the rise of this cloud computing bollox and the proliferation of social networking services.

it became unfashionable because people don't organize their own data. They want to click one button and have everything just sync

[dtergens]

So far as we know, Nokia haven't ported MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan edition to the hardware required by WP7.

Correct ! But the both seem so very close to each other, so why not make same HW (swipe, ...) on the two device and give better choice to consumers !
They can do it for sure...

[ericsson]

Is this the new strategy & marketing nokia promised months ago ? ("Quick sale after announcement,..."). I still don't understand where are they going ... Can't say now again "I always trust in Nokia" like I said before.^^

And why not let people choose between Meego or WP on their device ? and simply see what to do after few months of sales ...

**** nokia strategy ! engineers should decide what to do in a better world \o/


Well, see that is the point. I have full options of choices. I can get the N9 sim free, I can get in on contract, I can do the same with any Symbian, and any WP phone incl Nokia, or iPhone or android or Bada or whatever i want. The majority of people on this planet have the same choices as I do.

[sjgadsby]

Correct ! But the both seem so very close to each other, so why not make same HW (swipe, ...) on the two device and give better choice to consumers !

Nokia have already decided on the answer; from their perspective, there's nothing to be gained by asking the question.

[dtergens]

You know what ? I already know that, but I don't know why I am still dreaming :D

[sjgadsby]

...I don't know why I am still dreaming

You're not the only one doing it, and at least you're not taking a massive global corporation from "down" to "out" with your dreams.

[mikecomputing]

Yesterday i wrote nokia a short letter with my concerns about the lack of the n9 for the US.
In short, i suggested that the n9 and windows nokia's can exist in the US market, subsidized windows for the masses, and the n9 for the loyalists. I expressed my discontent for how they are just about to alienate all their loyal users to bring in new ones. I understand business is business, but i see no reason the n9 and wp can't coexist here in the US. Seriously, how hard would it be to just let us buy it unlocked online?

Here was the response i got this morning.
"Hi Joe,


Thank you for emailing the Nokia Careline.

We appreciate your interest in our product.

In response to your concern, we would like to inform you that the release date of the Nokia N9 is yet to be determined. Also, we are unable to guarantee if the said device will be available for purchase in the United States. What we can suggest to you is to frequently visit our website as well as our discussion board for more information on this matter.

We are hoping for your patience and understanding on this matter."

A glimmer of hope that a US version may come?


Well I am sure Nokia Care has NO information to give U should probadly send this letter to some higher up in the "Nokia line". And MAYBE you will get a better answer.

What you got is no way an "hope".

[mikecomputing]

Is this the new strategy & marketing nokia promised months ago ? ("Quick sale after announcement,..."). I still don't understand where are they going ... Can't say now again "I always trust in Nokia" like I said before.^^

And why not let people choose between Meego or WP on their device ? and simply see what to do after few months of sales ...

**** nokia strategy ! engineers should decide what to do in a better world \o/

What Flop meant was WP in the case of Meego he want it to fail and thats why they WAIT to release it to make it look like its not yet ready.

Btw:

http://swipe.nokia.se has been doown since yesterday AFAIK OMG! this must mean N9 will NOT be released in .se :-O ;)

Update:

swipe.nokia.,fi also not responding WTF!!!
and dk WTF!!!
and no WTF!!!!!!

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Update2:

cdon.se has removed release date and only three options avaible.

N9 in black 64Mb
N9 in Cyan/Black 16Mb

price lowered now 6000SEK for 64Mb

http://cdon.se/search?category=1769&q=nokia+n9

[ysss]

http://209.85.62.24/216/49/0/e240217/e240217.gif

[catbus]

Btw:

http://swipe.nokia.se has been doown since yesterday AFAIK OMG! this must mean N9 will NOT be released in .se :-O ;)

Update:

swipe.nokia.,fi also not responding WTF!!!
and dk WTF!!!
and no WTF!!!!!!

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


mike, .fi, .se, .no and .dk have same IP number...

[jalyst]

So far as we know, Nokia haven't ported MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan edition to the hardware required by WP7.

Why would they need to do that? :confused:
Just make it available on the hardware already used by the N9.

His point was why not give users the choice between Searay/N9

I can understand why Nokia's doing this........
But they should still promise to offer it in retail channel with full warranty/support etc.
So US/UK users don't have to import from overseas, even if there's some better deals wrt price/warranty.

[ericsson]

mike, .fi, .se, .no and .dk have same IP number...

And they don't exist. It is only swipe.nokia.com (link from http://www.nokia.se

[mikecomputing]

mike, .fi, .se, .no and .dk have same IP number...

hehe didn't chek that. I blame it on Elop ;)

[sjgadsby]

Why would they need to do that? :confused:
Just make it available on the hardware already used by the N9.

That's not an option. WP7 supports one hardware configuration, and that is all. And it's not what's in the N9.

[jalyst]

Sorry, but you misunderstand what the guys orig. point was.
I'm aware that WP is designed for entirely diff. underlying hardware.
Try re-reading my prior post.

[mikecomputing]

And they don't exist. It is only swipe.nokia.com (link from http://www.nokia.se

it did exist yesterday, already forgotten the downcounter?

swipe.nokia.se IS swedens official N9 "site" wqith swedish specifications etrc... but now it redirects to swipe.nokia.com when clicking on phone on nokia.se I guess they updating it or something...

[ericsson]

Update2:

cdon.se has removed release date and only three options avaible.

N9 in black 64Mb
N9 in Cyan/Black 16Mb

price lowered now 6000SEK for 64Mb

http://cdon.se/search?category=1769&q=nokia+n9

It means it is coming any time now IMO (or I'm just dreaming and this is a bad omen :D )

[jalyst]

random links
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/08/10/n950-gets-access-to-ovi-store/
http://wmpoweruser.com/nokia-lays-out-its-plan-to-conquer-america/

[mikecomputing]

Here is the phone for the US people:

http://twitpic.com/63zdyg


woops sorry offtopic...

[0x4e84]

For information, the N9 is still listed in Switzerland on digitec.ch (http://www.digitec.ch), and the price has dropped by 50CHF.
It's now 599CHF (~580€) for the 16GB version (Cyan, Magenta or Black) and 649CHF (~625€) for the 64GB version (Black only).

Announced availability is "Mid-September".

[jalyst]

482 & 539 Euro for 16GB & 64GB @mobicity.com.au in Oz
But only black for 64GB, and only cyan for 16GB.
Haven't looked around for other retailers/carriers yet.
A few carriers have also mentioned rough availability of "September".
Still no "exact" dates that I'm aware of.....

[jalyst]

Now there's rumors that recently announced Symbian Belle devices are going to be out sooner than the N9 is anywhere, sigh
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/08/10/rumours-symbian-belle-trio-nokia-600-nokia-700-and-nokia-701-to-be-announced-august-23-26-at-hong-kong-nokia-event/

*edit*
My bad, just announcements, not releases by the looks.


*edit2*
How the heck is Apple managing this in the EU?
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/08/apple-also-targeting-motorola-xoom-design-in-german-court.ars
In Australia it was like:
"Nice try mate, but no dice." (well technically still kinda pending, but sales go on)

[catbus]

random links
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/08/10/n950-gets-access-to-ovi-store/


OMG, Pinball Fantasy... Must have!

[mikecomputing]

For information, the N9 is still listed in Switzerland on digitec.ch (http://www.digitec.ch), and the price has dropped by 50CHF.
It's now 599CHF (~580€) for the 16GB version (Cyan, Magenta or Black) and 649CHF (~625€) for the 64GB version (Black only).

Announced availability is "Mid-September".

same for cdon.se seems the sites is following each other and no one really knows :-/

[momcilo]

Probably also because Nokia messaging is not encrypted (though I admit I have no idea)

Don't worry, UK government can read all those messages, otherwise they would not allow the blackberry service to operate.

[jalyst]

What is going to be so special for this phone to attract that kind of money? It is another phone from Nokia that runs MeeGo not Symbian, it is probably not going to open as N900 and we will have to rely on the developers to get apps and Nokia for updates (that may never happen !)
I like the swipe, but really, not for that money, price shouldn't be any more than the current price of E7 or N8 which is between AUD 400 and 490.
It is just another phone from Nokia to keep it going in the smart phone market and hence should be competitively priced and frankly, it is not going to much advantage over Galaxy S (not even SII) other than the swipe.....
I stand corrected though.:)

I want to have a lengthy crack it this one soon hopefully....
Just need to stop nerdgasming over all the tech gear out there for a dozen hours or so 1st :D

*edit*
Oh & not sure why you argue it should be the same price as the N8? (esp. at launch) This is entirely different class of phone.
I've seen the 16GB for $668AUD & 64GB for $748AUD, no doubt there'll be cheaper prices elsewhere soon, & subsidization via carrier/s.
Pricing against Samsung + Android is a much trickier one to argue, will try to do so later.

[don_falcone]

Don't worry, UK government can read all those messages, otherwise they would not allow the blackberry service to operate.

It's the same for the Saudis, India tried having access too. RIM basically bowed too often.

[momcilo]

It's the same for the Saudis, India tried having access too. RIM basically bowed too often.

Well, the Saudis and India were first public bowings...

Given the British legislation on the subject, they had to bow (silently) in order to operate there. Saudis, India and a bunch of other countries demanded to have what others already had for some time.

[erendorn]

Don't worry, UK government can read all those messages, otherwise they would not allow the blackberry service to operate.

Oh I know, but continuous access is still more convenient for the police than on-demand access. If you're not a suspect, you can get away with encrypted stuff, while there might be filters on the rest. Obviously if you're a target it won't cut it.

I'll stop there because actually I know nothing :) ..

[Grazy]

Yesterday i wrote nokia a short letter with my concerns about the lack of the n9 for the US.
In short, i suggested that the n9 and windows nokia's can exist in the US market, subsidized windows for the masses, and the n9 for the loyalists. I expressed my discontent for how they are just about to alienate all their loyal users to bring in new ones. I understand business is business, but i see no reason the n9 and wp can't coexist here in the US. Seriously, how hard would it be to just let us buy it unlocked online?

Here was the response i got this morning.
"Hi Joe,


Thank you for emailing the Nokia Careline.

We appreciate your interest in our product.

In response to your concern, we would like to inform you that the release date of the Nokia N9 is yet to be determined. Also, we are unable to guarantee if the said device will be available for purchase in the United States. What we can suggest to you is to frequently visit our website as well as our discussion board for more information on this matter.

We are hoping for your patience and understanding on this matter."

A glimmer of hope that a US version may come?

I had a very similar response for the UK! standard issue template! the only difference was mine said UK!

[catbus]

I'm so depressed...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2324/2417220138_24a9769666.jpg

[jn183]

N9 is finally here!!! erm.. for who? Haha... the market that supported N900 end up not getting it. Don't think I have any working testicles left since Nokia kept kicking them so much in the last 2months.

Amazon.com has cover sleeve for N9. I feel bad for those guys. No one will be buying them :(

[gerbick]

I officially request a thread title change.

[volt]

Yeah, that's why I came back to this thread too.

I saw the title 'N9: It's finally here' and I was wondering... N9 is here... Here? Where exactly IS the thread starter? Then I realized...

He's at the NOKlA duplication centre.

http://www.mobino1.com/images/goods/intro/4992016b-3c3d-4868-a832-5062dd28328a/043b7afbd0bd9e32e28f9a2cb90670d3.jpg

[Chuck Norris]

No need. you can't stay on topic anyway.