N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!

[gerbick]

No need. you can't stay on topic anyway.

You do your username a true disservice.

[mikecomputing]

N9 is finally here!!! erm.. for who? Haha... the market that supported N900 end up not getting it. Don't think I have any working testicles left since Nokia kept kicking them so much in the last 2months.

Amazon.com has cover sleeve for N9. I feel bad for those guys. No one will be buying them :(

latest rumor Nokia N9 will only be released in US. thats why swipe.nokia.sevfi/dk/no is down and now redirects to nokia.com

[catbus]

latest rumor Nokia N9 will only be released in US. thats why swipe.nokia.sevfi/dk/no is down and now redirects to nokia.com

And next week to microsoft.com...

[bsd1101]

latest rumor Nokia N9 will only be released in US. thats why swipe.nokia.sevfi/dk/no is down and now redirects to nokia.com

lol. At this point I wouldn't be surprised. As many people that there are on this forum that want this phone it's nowhere near the amount Nokia need to compete with Android and Apple

[volt]

Yes, that is also why Chris Weber said what he said about Only Windows Phones. To confuse us, for Nokias common good. Good that we have people like you to straighten it all up.

[crisscross]

No need for the N9, now when there is an interactive N9 for my n8 ;)
http://store.ovi.com/content/175951

[jo21]

"Sorry, this item is not available for your country.
Browse more great content in the "Related" section below."

*cries* my n9

i dont get it, EVEN the n900 got USA release, not by carriers but u could get it through retailers with warranty and amazon.

[catbus]

I'm afraid this will be a collector's item only accounts for a few lucky...

I hope I'm wrong

[crisscross]

August 29 for Russia, latest release rumour!

[catbus]

August 29 for Russia, latest release rumour!

What year? (humour) :D

[dtergens]

Secret Defense - Nokia Service Apocalypse (nsa) : ovi store is not ready and not calling nokia store yet, keep cool, relax, step by step :-)

Hi all Nokia N950 Developer Device users!

An early access version of the Ovi Store Client for the N950 has now been released as an update. Your N950 device will find it automatically in about 24 hours, but the impatient amongst you can go to settings, applications and check for updates.

This update will complete the full end-to-end offering for you. You can develop your applications/content with the publicly available SDJK (Qt SDK 1.1.2). You can now see the layout and look and feel of your applications in OVI Store. Finally, you can share your apps on OVI Store to other users, as well as download and test what your colleagues have been uploading.

Most of the available applications will work on your N950 and existing publicly available firmware (1.2011.22-6). However, there are a few applications in OVI Store that are created with newer pre-production SDK that may fail to install in your device for now. These applications will work also on your device after we have the next SW update available (no dates mentioned here, sorry). If a downloaded application does not install, your download history in Ovi Store means that once you have the newer firmware you can download/install the application.

So, start submitting apps for the Ovi Store - share your work; users, start downloading applications and try them out - give the developers (and us) feedback.

Enjoy!

The N9 (and N950) team.
http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Discussion/showthread.php?227747-Ovi-Store-Client-Beta-available-for-the-N950

[hotnikkelz]

some more teasers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmwFbE3dSM4

[gerbick]

some more teasers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmwFbE3dSM4

Ash had stated he was gonna do a hands on... Seeing that makes me all that much more angry since I'll not have one.

[buchanmilne]

Nokia are idiotic, just the same, not to even try to create a market for themselves despite the carrier locking. Samsung, for instance, came in late to the game and is doing an excellent job of covering the entire spectrum. Nokia is clearly a failure and an uncompetitive weakling.


All current Nokia smartphones (N8, E7, E6 etc.) support all GSM spectrums.

Or, do you mean technologies (CDMA vs. GSM)? Yes, Nokia's failing IMHO has been to ignore CDMA. However, there was a good reason for it, but it left the entire CDMA market open to Android (and Blackberry), until iPhone was made available on Verizon.

I really think Nokia made a mistake. In order to capture more market share in the U.S., the strategy should not have been to switch to an OS/ecosystem controlled completely by on U.S company, but rather to actually make devices for more than 50% (well, less I guess if you take it that until recently, most Nokia phones *didn't* support all GSM spectra, specifically AT&T) of the mobile phone market in the U.S.

But, some rumours seem to indicate that some of Nokia's first WP7 phones will be CDMA- or LTE-based, so maybe they are doing both.

But, if they won't have any CDMA-based phones, and no WP7 phones by Dec, while they have the N9 ready-to-ship, it makes no sense to just ignore the U.S. market for another 6 or so months.

[delmar]

For information, the N9 is still listed in Switzerland on digitec.ch (http://www.digitec.ch), and the price has dropped by 50CHF.
It's now 599CHF (~580€) for the 16GB version (Cyan, Magenta or Black) and 649CHF (~625€) for the 64GB version (Black only).

Announced availability is "Mid-September".

Are they carrier-free?

[danramos]

Stop whining.

Don't be an insensitive ****. Let them share their feelings. Exorcise your hurt. Learn to let go. Stop the dependence on Nokia. Go out and get something else. ANYTHING else, at this point. :P

I've become more convinced that the MISTAKE is to buy an N9 hoping to prove Elop wrong. I'm far more convinced that not buying anything Nokia will prove him to be FAR, FAR more wrong and very much more likely to get booted out and someone else get in there to reverse these stupid mistakes. I'm just saying--if you're all "free-market", then vote with your dollars, dammit!

Yesterday i wrote nokia a short letter with my concerns about the lack of the n9 for the US.
In short, i suggested that the n9 and windows nokia's can exist in the US market, subsidized windows for the masses, and the n9 for the loyalists. I expressed my discontent for how they are just about to alienate all their loyal users to bring in new ones. I understand business is business, but i see no reason the n9 and wp can't coexist here in the US. Seriously, how hard would it be to just let us buy it unlocked online?

Here was the response i got this morning.
"Hi Joe,


Thank you for emailing the Nokia Careline.

We appreciate your interest in our product.

In response to your concern, we would like to inform you that the release date of the Nokia N9 is yet to be determined. Also, we are unable to guarantee if the said device will be available for purchase in the United States. What we can suggest to you is to frequently visit our website as well as our discussion board for more information on this matter.

We are hoping for your patience and understanding on this matter."

A glimmer of hope that a US version may come?

Thank you for your interest in the brand new Nokia N9--now running Harmattan. Your brand loyalty is important to us. Please stay on the web page and a third-party advertiser will be in contact with you shortly about an upcoming Windows Phone 7 phone!

Why not create a "nokia in US" thread so we can keep talking about n9 here.

Maybe because we can just talk here about how the N9 isn't coming to the US--AND A BUNCH OF OTHER COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD. Oh right, we already ARE.

I don't see why not if they changed their strategy. Elaborate further as to why this is an impossibility.

Why? Haven't you been paying attention to how AWESOME Windows Phone 7 has been selling? It's f***ing like HOTCAKES, Brah!! FAP FAP FAP... but it's clearly not selling.

[marxian]

I've become more convinced that the MISTAKE is to buy an N9 hoping to prove Elop wrong. I'm far more convinced that not buying anything Nokia will prove him to be FAR, FAR more wrong and very much more likely to get booted out and someone else get in there to reverse these stupid mistakes. I'm just saying--if you're all "free-market", then vote with your dollars, dammit!

I agree with this and think that it is extremely naive to think that you are somehow sticking it to The Man if you buy an N9. It's like a bee trying to sting an elephant. No effect whatsoever.

I will not be purchasing an N9, as the manufacturer has all but announced that the device is DOA. There is likely to be little or no software support, which is not a dealbreaker for me, but lack of hardware support most definitely is. I don't want to risk having to return an N9 to Nokia in a few months time, only to be offered an N8 or some Windoze crap as a 'suitable replacement'.

Nokia have sent a clear message to their potential N9 customers that they are of no value to them. Message received and understood.

[jalyst]

I'm far more convinced that not buying anything Nokia will prove him to be FAR, FAR more wrong and very much more likely to get booted out and someone else get in there to reverse these stupid mistakes. I'm just saying--if you're all "free-market", then vote with your dollars, dammit!

IMO if we take this approach, it will almost certainly spell Nokia's death LT.
And no possibility whatsoever of a return to a Linux-based OS in the future :(

[jalyst]

I don't want to risk having to return an N9 to Nokia in a few months time, only to be offered an N8 or some Windoze crap as a 'suitable replacement'.

But under typical warranty terms (2yrs in UK/EU right?), there's no way they can do that is there?
Unless they re-jig the warranty for the N9 "gets eyeglass ready for some fine-print reading".

[jalyst]

More happy thoughts... think more happy thoughts...
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/08/11/ovi-store-on-meego-harmattan-nokia-n950/

[PortaDiFerro]

More happy thoughts... think more happy thoughts...
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/08/11/ovi-store-on-meego-harmattan-nokia-n950/

Gym Workout Tracker sounds good, made my own for N800 long ago, but lately been using iFitness on Android and been wondering what to do with N9. Isn't there also some sports tracker with gps for Nokia?
Then all I'll need is Adobe Digital Editions and perhaps Kindle and I'll be fine. :) Nokia you can go ahead and release N9 now, I'm ready to buy. :p

[lma]

I've become more convinced that the MISTAKE is to buy an N9 hoping to prove Elop wrong. I'm far more convinced that not buying anything Nokia will prove him to be FAR, FAR more wrong and very much more likely to get booted out and someone else get in there to reverse these stupid mistakes.

He is being proven wrong every day for the past six months, as long as the board is behind him it doesn't matter. What I don't get is why the shareholders haven't ousted the lot of them yet. I mean, losing 25 gigabucks has got to hurt!

[marxian]

IMO if we take this approach, it will almost certainly spell Nokia's death LT.
And no possibility whatsoever of a return to a Linux-based OS in the future :(

Why would any rational person buy products from a company that is basically flipping the bird at them. It's not my responsibility to help prop up a corporation that has indicated it does not value my custom. If Nokia dies, it is not Maemo users that will be responsible. Customer loyalty should be earned, not taken for granted.

[SubCore]

But under typical warranty terms (2yrs in UK/EU right?), there's no way they can do that is there?
Unless they re-jig the warranty for the N9 "gets eyeglass ready for some fine-print reading".

the law doesn't require the replacement to be the exact same model, so yea, they can do that. no need for rejigging anything :)
the standard replacement for a broken N900 is the N8 currently, and it's perfectly legal. sadly.

[afaq]

Why would any rational person buy products from a company that is basically flipping the bird at them. It's not my responsibility to help prop up a corporation that has indicated it does not value my custom. If Nokia dies, it is not Maemo users that will be responsible. Customer loyalty should be earned, not taken for granted.

Agreed. It has become quite difficult to come to TMO now as this air of frustration, anger has now turned into a little show that is quite sad to see. People are literally begging Nokia to let them buy the device and we are being kicked around. There is so much you can take (and I would say Maemo fans have taken a LOT) before you must just shut the show and go home.

I will be getting my new N900 this week and will look at the wider market in 2012 to see what else is available. Maybe another Meego device? maybe not but i'll have no symptoms of "a few more weeks...please Nokia just release it"

[jalyst]

Super grand master plan, or tale of comedy?
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/08/11/nokias-7-step-plan-of-attack-for-north-america/

I don't care really....
So long as it works & their LT plans are def. to bring a MeeGo-based OS back to the fore.
Once Nok's much stronger etc.
Everything Elop's done so far, doesn't give me much confidence in that :/
Should we try to reach-out to him, or is that a waste of time?

[daperl]

Why would any rational person buy products from a company that is basically flipping the bird at them. It's not my responsibility to help prop up a corporation that has indicated it does not value my custom. If Nokia dies, it is not Maemo users that will be responsible. Customer loyalty should be earned, not taken for granted.

As someone that's predominantly only used Maemo handheld devices for the past 3 1/2 years, this is just the same sh*t, different day. For those that remember the "4 out of 5" speech, that was the n900 coming out party, and it was mentioned as barely a footnote. If I was going to leave because I gave a sh*t about how Nokia was going to show its enthusiasm about a product, it would have been then.

It's always been about the irrational. I'm an enthusiast, if it's not appealling to my emotions it's dead to me. My n900 came with a 7 day warranty, but that didn't stop me. I want an n9, and I will do my best to get one. I'm confident that there will be a Nokia skeleton crew to give me the minimum software support I require.

And I'll be sure to turn the lights off on the way out.

[jalyst]

^ we need an image of a ship captain going down with his ship :)

[mscion]

I officially request a thread title change.

Good idea! Here are a few suggestions. I'm sure you folks can come up with better ones....

N9:It's finally here: NOT!

N9:It's finally here, or, not really, maybe there..

N9:It's finally here: In a N950 sense...

ELOP TO US: DROP DEAD!

[ericsson]

You people need proffesional help. You purchase a device because you like the device, not because you are going to "support" a company. If you like the N9 then get one, if not STFU. Regarding the N9 you have a rare second choice. You can get one if for no other reasons than to actually support open source, actively. You can do that regardless of what Nokia or Microsoft or Elop say or mean or do.

Crybabies!!!

[zymo]

^ we need an image of a ship captain going down with his ship :)

you mean like this :D

[larux]

My lucky colleague got N9 and brought it into work. Finally I have managed to do small hands-on.

Device is stellar! OS is superb! But..

I Like:
+ build quality
+ display
+ camera is blazing fast. It's amazing.
+ service integration
+ quality of apps is excellent when compared to legacy devices
+ caldav
+ swipeUI

Don't like:
- virtual keyboard
- missing camera button
- this is something Nokia needed over 2 years ago. GRRR.

Buy or Not: Buy.

[zymo]

Good idea! Here are a few suggestions. I'm sure you folks can come up with better ones....

N9:It's finally here: NOT!

N9:It's finally here, or, not really, maybe there..

N9:It's finally here: In a N950 sense...

ELOP TO US: DROP DEAD!

N9:it’s finally here, but you can’t get it!

N9:it’s finally here, but Nokia wants to kill it

N9:it’s finally here, but it doesn’t matter anyway

N9:it’s finally here, what should i do now with my life-time

[zymo]

Okay after uk and usa, germany is next on that n9 absence list.

A NOKIA SPOKESMAN CONFIRMS NO N9 FOR GERMANY!!! If you want one, you have to import it from Austria like Amazon.de de does it!

http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Nokia-MeeGo-Smartphone-N9-kommt-nicht-nach-Deutschland-1321875.html



in english via google translate: http://translate.google.de/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.heise.de%2Fnewsticker%2Fmeldung %2FNokia-MeeGo-Smartphone-N9-kommt-nicht-nach-Deutschland-1321875.html

[slider5]

And ... Netherlands ?

http://www.mobilecowboys.nl/nieuws/14909

Next ... :(

[tissot]

Heh so till N9 gets out Nokia announces everyday country that wont get it. Finland next?

[zymo]

Heh so till N9 gets out Nokia announces everyday country that wont get it. Finland next?

at the end it will be Kazakhstan only who will get the N9. You know there can only be one!

[Chuck Norris]

Who cares what countíes that gets it. I will get it. I always go againt the wind and it's always more fun than follow the rest.

[mscion]

...

It's always been about the irrational. I'm an enthusiast, if it's not appealling to my emotions it's dead to me. My n900 came with a 7 day warranty, but that didn't stop me. I want an n9, and I will do my best to get one. I'm confident that there will be a Nokia skeleton crew to give me the minimum software support I require.

And I'll be sure to turn the lights off on the way out.

A rational person would buy another device move on and make the best of it. On the other hand, emotions have their own logic that can be rooted in very strong principles. The N950 and N9 were right in so many ways. This Nokia generated debacle with the N950 and now the N9 is sucking the life out of a lot of people. If this situation continues, sooner or later one will be forced to become rational...

[gerbick]

at the end it will be Kazakhstan only who will get the N9. You know there can only be one!

That happens... I'll definitely know it's a plot to bury the N9 & MeeGo Harmattan as far down as possible.

But the good part? Qt/QML on iOS (http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/08/qt-uikit-lighthouse-platform-iphone-apple/)

[mooglez]

looks like nokia is starting reseller trainings and sending out demo n9´s to them next week.

They also made the retail date range known, but the range is so large that it is pretty meaningless (a usual cover your *** release date) but the earliest it will come out is 16.9

they are also internally working on atleast one additional meego device (a tablet perhaps, or a qwerty phone?), but i don´t think even they know if that device will ever see the daylight.

and no, i cannot name my sources

[oweng]

You could always email Mr Elop, he will reply and let you know... I'm not kidding!

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75667

Okay after uk and usa, germany is next on that n9 absence list.

A NOKIA SPOKESMAN CONFIRMS NO N9 FOR GERMANY!!! If you want one, you have to import it from Austria like Amazon.de de does it!

http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Nokia-MeeGo-Smartphone-N9-kommt-nicht-nach-Deutschland-1321875.html



in english via google translate: http://translate.google.de/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.heise.de%2Fnewsticker%2Fmeldung %2FNokia-MeeGo-Smartphone-N9-kommt-nicht-nach-Deutschland-1321875.html

[afaq]

they are also internally working on atleast one additional meego device (a tablet perhaps, or a qwerty phone?), but i don´t think even they know if that device will ever see the daylight.

and no, i cannot name my sources

not falling for this again.

[hotnikkelz]

But the good part? Qt/QML on iOS (http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/08/qt-uikit-lighthouse-platform-iphone-apple/)


Holy **** that is awesomesauce

[Drekkie]

N9:it’s finally here, but you can’t get it!

N9:it’s finally here, but Nokia wants to kill it

N9:it’s finally here, but it doesn’t matter anyway

N9:it’s finally here, what should i do now with my life-time

all we need to do is add a "w" and a "?" to the current title and we'll be set.

[tissot]

Seems like there's some kind of interactive N9 demo app for Symbian^3 devices.
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/08/11/nokia-n9-interactive-demo-by-nokia-for-your-s3-device/

[Rugoz]

they are also internally working on atleast one additional meego device (a tablet perhaps, or a qwerty phone?), but i don´t think even they know if that device will ever see the daylight.

and no, i cannot name my sources


Lets assume they're working on a meego tablet. In half a year there will be a decision if it will be w8 or meego for tablets. The Meego version is probably super awesome, but elop will say: Sorry, meego doesn't have an ecosystem, its w8 then. Thanks a lot for your effort, but we will shut down meego dev now.

[OVK]

Seems like there's some kind of interactive N9 demo app for Symbian^3 devices.
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/08/11/nokia-n9-interactive-demo-by-nokia-for-your-s3-device/

The most funny thing is that it is not available for N900. I wonder if it is made with Qt? :rolleyes:

[mikecomputing]

You could always email Mr Elop, he will reply and let you know... I'm not kidding!

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75667

lol do you really think he is personally answering your questions? :)

its just some secretary who copy paste FAQ:s.

[mikecomputing]

Lets assume they're working on a meego tablet. In half a year there will be a decision if it will be w8 or meego for tablets. The Meego version is probably super awesome, but elop will say: Sorry, meego doesn't have an ecosystem, its w8 then. Thanks a lot for your effort, but we will shut down meego dev now.

Are people hear blind!? Why does people just listen so much what MrFlop is saying? If people agree with Elops decisions I could understand. But pertsonally his and the rest of the boards strategy is already FAILING. This means they may get kicked out Q2 2012.

Again N9 with Meego is using same framework as Symbian and with latest QtCreator its very easy create apps both for N9/N950/N900 and Symbian.

These what not the case when N900 was released but it definitivly is now. I have seen that some N9/N950 apps even has started to backport to N900. Atleast the open once...

It still has a chance!

[Chuck Norris]

N9 is not the last meego device from Nokia.

Source: Chuck Norris

[hotnikkelz]

Sorry mikecomputing, but devs only flock to platforms that are being used in mass and not just ease of development. It's easy to develop for webos too....it uses css, html, javascript and a sprinkle of C++ if u choose, and look at that ecosystem. Not impressive is it. Meego/harmattan/symbian will be the same.

The limited release of n9, will be its undoing. US and UK are the 2 biggest smartphone consumers and it's not being released subsidized there. The n9 also isn't the iphone, so it won't sell well if it's unsubsidized. It'll just cost too much for most. Or more accurately, the price will further limit who gets it.

People are listening to Mr Flop, because he is the man controlling the direction of Nokia, we have no choice. Also his strategy cannot be branded as a failure (just yet) until SOMETHING is released. Instead say you forsee a failure or back it up with some actual facts.

[mikecomputing]

Sorry mikecomputing, but devs only flock to platforms that are being used in mass and not just ease of development. It's easy to develop for webos too....it uses css, html, javascript and a sprinkle of C++ if u choose, and look at that ecosystem. Not impressive is it. Meego/harmattan/symbian will be the same.

The limited release of n9, will be its undoing. US and UK are the 2 biggest smartphone consumers and it's not being released subsidized there. The n9 also isn't the iphone, so it won't sell well if it's unsubsidized. It'll just cost too much for most. Or more accurately, the price will further limit who gets it.

People are listening to Mr Flop, because he is the man controlling the direction of Nokia, we have no choice. Also his strategy cannot be branded as a failure (just yet) until SOMETHING is released. Instead say you forsee a failure or back it up with some actual facts.

There is nothing wrong with Nokias Qt framework or "ecosystem" Elop is just a ****ing troll. Its only about MARKETING I blame the old Nokia marketing deparment for this mess and also the new.

[jalyst]

Nokia not surpassed in smartphone sector? Yet.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/11/nokia-still-ahead-of-apple-in-smartphone-sales-according-to-gar/

Goodie gum drops!
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1066889#post1066889

Podcatcher, pretty slick.
http://www.johanpaul.com/blog/2011/08/introducing-podcatcher-for-nokia-n9/
Latest post from dev.....
As an update I can say that I've already made some visible additions and changed to the UI not shown in these screenshots or the video.
I hope you like them too! More about updates in a later blog post...

So sick of fracking vids, but this is a a doozey, 28min (n950 but... sigh)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THAndwjuL6s&feature=player_embedded

[keflex]

Are people hear blind!? Why does people just listen so much what MrFlop is saying? If people agree with Elops decisions I could understand. But pertsonally his and the rest of the boards strategy is already FAILING. This means they may get kicked out Q2 2012.

I dunno about you guys, but I sure am happy to regard the opinion of someone who has no business experience about a company's business decisions.

In other news, people will buy the N9 because they like the phone. Liking the phone is - believe it or not - strongly correlated with purchase of the phone.

[hotnikkelz]

There is nothing wrong with Nokias Qt framework or "ecosystem" Elop is just a ****ing troll. Its only about MARKETING I blame the old Nokia marketing deparment for this mess and also the new.

Nothing is wrong with QT at all, noone said otherwise. Devs love it. It's not only marketing to blame though, there's plenty of blame to pass around :D
I only hope that Elop has a very very solid plan B, for Nokia's sake. Time will tell, we'll have to see how it pans out.

[scapegoat845]

WTF IS GOING ON HERE !? I'm praying this thing doesn't get cancelled....

http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/11/nokia-n9-gets-axed-in-germany-global-tour-looks-even-more-meage/

[yannis]

WTF IS GOING ON HERE !? I'm praying this thing doesn't get cancelled....

http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/11/n...en-more-meage/

Correct Link.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/11/nokia-n9-gets-axed-in-germany-global-tour-looks-even-more-meage/

[oweng]

Well put it this way, who ever 'they' may be are putting Stephen Elop's name to it, so it's a reply in his name.

It makes little difference, as it says the N9 will be available to buy online in the UK. I'm pretty sure that the report of the N9 being unavailable in Germany is also misquoted by a popular technology website. It will be available, however carriers may not stock or subsidies it.

It seems the decision to buy, at full price, without a plan, is ours.

I'm sitting on the fence for now.

lol do you really think he is personally answering your questions? :)

its just some secretary who copy paste FAQ:s.

[oweng]

I think they might have a half truth, given that the N9 will be available, but only via online retailers in the UK. I think Germany will be the same.


Correct Link.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/11/nokia-n9-gets-axed-in-germany-global-tour-looks-even-more-meage/

[Chuck Norris]

WTF IS GOING ON HERE !? I'm praying this thing doesn't get cancelled....

http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/11/nokia-n9-gets-axed-in-germany-global-tour-looks-even-more-meage/

great news. the germany's money should go to greece, spain and italy so they can retire at 50 and get a few extra salleries during summer. not to nokia. ;)

Send a device to me so i can pay nokia instead.

Good Night

[unfuccwittable]

great news. the germany's money should go to greece, spain and italy so they can retire at 50 and get a few extra salleries during summer. not to nokia. ;)

Send a device to me so i can pay nokia instead.

Good Night
what in the **** are you talking about?

[dtergens]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8gDbmhAfbH8/TeeW158IE2I/AAAAAAAAADU/pzjOqEt9epE/s1600/Old-Man.jpg

There was a long time ago when I was a young boy, Nokia announced N9 device, we all wanted to get one but we never knew if we could live enough until the sales launch ... Well I'll tell you the end of the story tomorrow kids, now it's too late and you have to go to sleep, have a good night children ... xD

[scapegoat845]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8gDbmhAfbH8/TeeW158IE2I/AAAAAAAAADU/pzjOqEt9epE/s1600/Old-Man.jpg

There was a long time ago when I was a young boy, Nokia announced N9 device, we all wanted to get one but we never knew if we could live enough until the sales launch ... Well I'll tell you the end of the story tomorrow kids, now it's too late and you have to go to sleep, have a good night children ... xD

Lmaoo

:D

[danramos]

IMO if we take this approach, it will almost certainly spell Nokia's death LT.
And no possibility whatsoever of a return to a Linux-based OS in the future :(

I don't think so. Especially long-term.

And if you buy Nokia crap, you're going to validate Elop's decisions (especially since there's clearly not going to be very many N9's and the alternatives are all Windows Phone 7 phones)--which ALSO means no possibility whatsoever of a return to a Linux-based OS in the future. Lose-lose.

I say, let them learn what Elop's done--and hope they turn around the fire the ***** in a desperate attempt to gain back what they've lost. THAT might have a chance.

^ we need an image of a ship captain going down with his ship :)

http://c2499022.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Nokia-Elop-Titanic-2.jpg

Sometimes the Captain doesn't actually go down with his ship. I'm sure Elop will do fine when Nokia finally goes under. Don't worry about him.

[gerbick]

If Elop is going down with the ship, it's only because his bonus check is still on the boat.

Otherwise, I don't believe it'll happen that way.

[BwackNinja]

I've given up getting an N9, though I unfortunately can't give up obsessing over it. I'll be getting a Samsung Galaxy S II, (Samsung Stratosphere apparently on Verizon) and probably running Cyanogen. I'll at least be waiting for the next Meego device, whoever might make it, might be around before 2 years.

I justified a carrier switch, paying the unsubsidized price, getting little to no real support - both first party and third party, and the fact that most of the hardware in this phone is unremarkable. I can't justify getting it with a release date that I don't know, imported because its not otherwise coming to the US, or heck even the UK or Germany now and I'm sure that's just the start of disappointment. No other device from no other manufacturer are you so worried "will it be supported?" That's not a question you should have to ask. Period.

The N950 developer program ended up giving most of those who had really wanted the original N9, with the keyboard, what they had been looking for. The rest of us are SOL. One last hurrah for Maemo, for the few who still care, not that there were many who cared in the first place. The N900 is far past its peak and you still have to explain to everyone what it is and why it means something.

It doesn't take a great device to claim the market, a hardware and software upgrade to the N900 would've been able to do that if that was true. It would at least have more than just a cult following if that was it. It takes a decent device and a lot of marketing, and then you finally grow into something that people can't move away from, part of their lives.

The Galaxy S II is a device, and a good one. The N9, however, is a dream. A dream I won't be living, and that probably wouldn't measure up to what I think of it anyway.

And just like the fabled "Year of the Linux Desktop" it isn't whether it has become great or not, its the fact the vast majority of people have no reason to care.

[pedroesteban]

This post is meant for those who are still interested in release dates:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLfi3F-lyqk&feature=relmfu

For those who don't speak Portuguese, the responsible for Nokia smart devices in Latin America says in this video that the n9 will be available in Brazil by the end of Q3 2011 / beginning of Q4 2011.

My first guess is that they're sticking to the September 23rd release date.

Since Nokia is a VERY strong brand in Brazil, my second guess is that they chose to release the n9 in the markets where they don't need to reposition their brand. People in Brazil will buy the n9 as the new Nokia flagship, without questioning if the OS is Meego, Symbian, Android or whatever.

By the way, if I read right what Nokia has been saying in the last few months, Symbian and Meego are not dead, they will be replaced by Windows Phone in the markets where Symbian was unsuccessful. Elop said in an interview that Nokia is going to release at least 12 Symbian phones in 2012 and that Maemo/Meego/Whatever is going to live on as an experimental platform.

All I see is different strategies for different markets: Symbian is replaced by WP where it's unsuccessful (Nokia shares the marketing costs with Microsoft); Symbian stays alive for a while where it's sucessful (low marketing costs); Maemo / Meego / Whatever stays alive in the Nokia labs and developer communities with an experimental device being release every 12 to 18 months (R&D budget).

EDIT: Conclusion: there's no need to panic!

[Kozzi]

for those still interested in N9
TVmatchen for N9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN3Y2n2h9Xk

[Lindegaard]

in years to come, this will be a great case in poor management!

Nokia's sales are crippled because of Symbian. Every review of symbian indicates that it lacks apps, are too slow, and no bling-bling UI which is what everbody (apperently) want.

However the strategy is too keep feeding the smart phone market world wide with symbian units (that doesnt sell) in years to come. From 2009 to start of 2012 symbian is the only thing Nokia can rely on and especially in 2010 and onwards Nokia sales drastically decreased because of Apple and Android.
Summer 2011 Nokia had an option to release a Product, N9 which in reveiws had very differently popularity among test-sites than Symbian ever had.
That product, however, were only released in few countries and therefore only had little impact on the net income. The bottomline were that Nokia had little to no revenue from Q1 2011 (after the release of N8) to Q1 2012(the first Nokia mango mobile).

What went wrong? Was it the classic "group think" were directors and board members thought they could walk on water?

[jalyst]

Why would any rational person buy products from a company that is basically flipping the bird at them. It's not my responsibility to help prop up a corporation that has indicated it does not value my custom. If Nokia dies, it is not Maemo users that will be responsible. Customer loyalty should be earned, not taken for granted.

Sigh. I do understand you pain... I'm still going to get one.
As I'm sure it's still going to be a very compelling device overall.
Despite all the efforts to ensure it's not....
I don't like what Nokia's been doing though, totally uncool.

the law doesn't require the replacement to be the exact same model, so yea, they can do that. no need for rejigging anything :)
the standard replacement for a broken N900 is the N8 currently, and it's perfectly legal. sadly.

Really? This an EU-wide thing?
You know where to put your hand on the legislation?

Pretty sure this is not the case for Australia.
Within reason of course...
i.e. They no longer make the model at all.

<SNIP>Don't like:
- virtual keyboard
Buy or Not: Buy.

You don't like VKB because you think it's crap compared to others?
Or simply because you generally don't like VKB's?

looks like nokia is starting reseller trainings and sending out demo n9´s to them next week.
They also made the retail date range known, but the range is so large that it is pretty meaningless (a usual cover your *** release date) but the earliest it will come out is 16.9

Why on earth does Nokia need to do reseller training?
The few countries it's headed to, are mostly getting it via retail distribution, not by carriers.
Are are you merely referring to the handful of carriers, in a handful of countries, that are getting it?

they are also internally working on atleast one additional meego device (a tablet perhaps, or a qwerty phone?), but i don´t think even they know if that device will ever see the daylight.
and no, i cannot name my sources

Yeah sure, and I'm a pink alien! :D

[mikecomputing]

WTF IS GOING ON HERE !? I'm praying this thing doesn't get cancelled....

http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/11/nokia-n9-gets-axed-in-germany-global-tour-looks-even-more-meage/

engadget == Elop == troll

[mikecomputing]

I've given up getting an N9, though I unfortunately can't give up obsessing over it. I'll be getting a Samsung Galaxy S II, (Samsung Stratosphere apparently on Verizon) and probably running Cyanogen. I'll at least be waiting for the next Meego device, whoever might make it, might be around before 2 years.

I justified a carrier switch, paying the unsubsidized price, getting little to no real support - both first party and third party, and the fact that most of the hardware in this phone is unremarkable. I can't justify getting it with a release date that I don't know, imported because its not otherwise coming to the US, or heck even the UK or Germany now and I'm sure that's just the start of disappointment. No other device from no other manufacturer are you so worried "will it be supported?" That's not a question you should have to ask. Period.

The N950 developer program ended up giving most of those who had really wanted the original N9, with the keyboard, what they had been looking for. The rest of us are SOL. One last hurrah for Maemo, for the few who still care, not that there were many who cared in the first place. The N900 is far past its peak and you still have to explain to everyone what it is and why it means something.

It doesn't take a great device to claim the market, a hardware and software upgrade to the N900 would've been able to do that if that was true. It would at least have more than just a cult following if that was it. It takes a decent device and a lot of marketing, and then you finally grow into something that people can't move away from, part of their lives.

The Galaxy S II is a device, and a good one. The N9, however, is a dream. A dream I won't be living, and that probably wouldn't measure up to what I think of it anyway.

And just like the fabled "Year of the Linux Desktop" it isn't whether it has become great or not, its the fact the vast majority of people have no reason to care.

buy SII fast then before Microsoft aznd apple stops samsung and others from selling linuxbased devices :mad:

the reaason Microsoft raped nokia is because of linux/qt/android is a competitor to theyr own crap.

[kanishou]

Don't forget that most people don't fawn over their mobile phones like we do. They buy a cool looking device when they see their friends use it, or they check what's available when they need a new one.

So to most people, the N9 simply doesn't exist yet and there is no anxiety. When it enters a market at some time in the future, it will still be a compelling device, and in fact it may be even more compelling when the price has gone down for it to become more affordable as a spontaneous buy. That doesn't mean that this will definitely happen, but I guess that this is how Nokia treats their product portfolio and when to release individual devices at specific locations.

Meanwhile, those of us who are already determined to get it anyway, can always find a way to buy or import it from a third party. Which is particularly easy with the N9, as there are no significant regional differences.

Also, if the N9 turns out to be a surprise success in some countries, I bet that more carriers from other countries will be happy to pick it up.

[ysss]

@mikecomputing: mike, you know that you are the one trolling, right?

[keflex]

had a bit of an email back-and-forth with stephen today. I do actually trust the executive to make the best decisions they can, and I believe this is what they are doing. as kanishou has pointed out, most consumers don't consider things like open-ness and data ownership when purchasing a new phone. if most consumers do not value these things, why should nokia? the neckbeard fury is getting old, and the supreme ignorance of business logic even moreso. I will likely buy an N9,because I like the N9. if you do not, that's fine; that's the beauty of a capitalist marketplace. but kicking & screaming solves nothing, and makes you look pathetic.

[Cue]

had a bit of an email back-and-forth with stephen today. I do actually trust the executive to make the best decisions they can, and I believe this is what they are doing. as kanishou has pointed out, most consumers don't consider things like open-ness and data ownership when purchasing a new phone. if most consumers do not value these things, why should nokia? the neckbeard fury is getting old, and the supreme ignorance of business logic even moreso. I will likely buy an N9,because I like the N9. if you do not, that's fine; that's the beauty of a capitalist marketplace. but kicking & screaming solves nothing, and makes you look pathetic.

They may not consider openness and data ownership now but Nokia was once a great company which catered to all audiences with different handsets. Now it has chosen a one size fits all approach with something that consumers are not that interested in. So I'm going to ask you the same question about WP7. If most consumers do not value this thing, why should nokia? Hope this doesn't come across as kicking and screaming, I've moved on, but I hope your emails weren't just "I agree, mein fuhrer".

[0x4e84]

... Now it has chosen a one size fits all approach with something that consumers are not that interested in...

I'm not interested in starting endless debate about this here, but if you consider the success of Apple's products (among other examples), can you really draw the conclusion that the mass market doesn't want a one size fits all approach?... I doubt it.

I think we (geeks, open-source community,...) tend to forget that we are not representative of the market as a whole... And blame Nokia's management team as you want, but I don't think they are that naive as to not do any market studies before taking decisions.

[marxian]

Sigh. I do understand you pain... I'm still going to get one.
As I'm sure it's still going to be a very compelling device overall.
Despite all the efforts to ensure it's not....
I don't like what Nokia's been doing though, totally uncool.


I'm not feeling any pain. And I'm not bitter towards Nokia. I'm just making a sound decision not to part with several hundred pounds for a device that has all but been abandoned by its manufacturer, even before its release. It's just a phone. Nothing more, nothing less. And it's a phone that I don't find quite as compelling as I first thought. I have (for now at least) an N950, so I'll continue to develop for the Meego-Harmattan platform alongside Maemo 5, which I still enjoy using. The N900 is still my main device. I honestly prefer it overall.

[Cue]

I'm not interested in starting endless debate about this here, but if you consider the success of Apple's products (among other examples), can you really draw the conclusion that the mass market doesn't want a one size fits all approach?... I doubt it.

I think we (geeks, open-source community,...) tend to forget that we are not representative of the market as a whole... And blame Nokia's management team as you want, but I don't think they are that naive as to not do any market studies before taking decisions.

Totally agree with you, not saying a one size fits all approach cannot work or is not financially beneficial. Financially I think it's actually better. It reduces cost and the amount of work required. In fact there are times where the number of different Linux distros annoy me even, but I understand it.

I get it, I never said it wouldn't work or that they wouldn't financially be better off with that approach so I'm not sure where the debate is. One thing I don't agree on though is the size they've chosen.

[marxian]

I'm not interested in starting endless debate about this here, but if you consider the success of Apple's products (among other examples), can you really draw the conclusion that the mass market doesn't want a one size fits all approach?... I doubt it.

I think we (geeks, open-source community,...) tend to forget that we are not representative of the market as a whole... And blame Nokia's management team as you want, but I don't think they are that naive as to not do any market studies before taking decisions.

Nokia appear to have chosen a size that doesn't fit anyone. :p

[0x4e84]

One thing I don't agree on though is the size they've chosen.

Nokia appear to have chosen a size that doesn't fit anyone. :p

Ok, on this one I agree to argue... :p

[Chuck Norris]

Nokia is regrouping and will comeback. However, it's to early to say to what state. Many of you seems pretty sure this is a bad thing. But what you don't seem to care about is that the board of directors as well as the main shareholders want this change. Elop could not have done this buy himself. In the short term it seems as a useless strategy, but wait five years and see were nokia is. Nokias stockvalue is low, but the cash in the company is still valid even with some losses during the last Q. They still have the biggest marketshare so don't be so hasty to pull the trigger.

[bwalter]

I completely agree, most users do not have concerns about their phone being closed-source.

Nevertheless, the following aspects *do* matter and explain why the N9 woud potentially succeed in the market:
- Attractive design and UX: sexy colors, clean/elegant/innovative UI
- Good range of applications (Elop's argumentation): default applications cover much uses, portofolio can potentially grow very fast thanks to the excellent Qt-based SDK (providing the platform receives a real commitment...)
- User pride (more important that marketing): in that area, the new Meego-OS clearly beats Microsoft, which tends to have a very bad image

Even if the N9 is coming late, it has a lot of potential and performs very well in all the areas which make the difference, making it a solid Iphone rival.

That's why Nokia's decision is frustrating. Of course, this forum is mostly about a geak perspective. But from a market perspective, it is frustrating because a very promising product may disappear, probably because of political reasons.

[Cue]

Nokia is regrouping and will comeback. However, it's to early to say to what state. Many of you seems pretty sure this is a bad thing. But what you don't seem to care about is that the board of directors as well as the main shareholders want this change. Elop could not have done this buy himself. In the short term it seems as a useless strategy, but wait five years and see were nokia is. Nokias stockvalue is low, but the cash in the company is still valid even with some losses during the last Q. They still have the biggest marketshare so don't be so hasty to pull the trigger.

Sure we can't say how it will turn out but for an investment they chose high risk and uncertainty in a bid for higher reward. i know they are in transition but it isn't working so far, everything is down since the change and the things they wanted to reduce (like R&D) are up.

What makes it worse is that their marketshare is meaningless. It is meaningless to developers, it is meaningless to them in terms of profit, and it is slowly becoming meaningless in terms of brand awareness. So I ask, what good is unit marketshare?

[jmk]

I had quick hands on with the white N9 prototype at the night club couple of days ago. Now I am quite sure that white will be one "secret" color choice.

Really slick and nice phone. There is around 70-80% change I will buy it. Though I am not gonna pre-order it.

[ericsson]

I completely agree, most users do not have concerns about their phone being closed-source.

Nevertheless, the following aspects *do* matter and explain why the N9 woud potentially succeed in the market:
- Attractive design and UX: sexy colors, clean/elegant/innovative UI
- Good range of applications (Elop's argumentation): default applications cover much uses, portofolio can potentially grow very fast thanks to the excellent Qt-based SDK (providing the platform receives a real commitment...)
- User pride (more important that marketing): in that area, the new Meego-OS clearly beats Microsoft, which tends to have a very bad image

Even if the N9 is coming late, it has a lot of potential and performs very well in all the areas which make the difference, making it a solid Iphone rival.

That's why Nokia's decision is frustrating. Of course, this forum is mostly about a geak perspective. But from a market perspective, it is frustrating because a very promising product may disappear, probably because of political reasons.

Nokia has always had different product for different markets. It's the same with Samsung, LG, SE and so on. Besides, this is old news. I have told you a month ago how this is. NA, UK, Ge, NL, Fr and ES will get WP, everywhere else the N9 will be launched. It's as simple as that.

This doesn't mean it is a problem getting the N9 if you want one. The problems are only in your heads, and they are created because you are thinking like a bunch of fanboys and drama queens.

[Chuck Norris]

Sure we can't say how it will turn out but for an investment they chose high risk and uncertainty in a bid for higher reward. i know they are in transition but it isn't working so far, everything is down since the change and the things they wanted to reduce (like R&D) are up.

What makes it worse is that their marketshare is meaningless. It is meaningless to developers, it is meaningless to them in terms of profit, and it is slowly becoming meaningless in terms of brand awareness. So I ask, what good is unit marketshare?

agreed. Just saying, if you have been in the game for a while these restructuring processes happens to all large companies with 20-40 years interval. If you haven't seen it before you might start crying and scream like lots of poeple doing atm.

[mscion]

Stop the dependence on Nokia. Go out and get something else. ANYTHING else, at this point. :P

I've become more convinced that the MISTAKE is to buy an N9 hoping to prove Elop wrong. I'm far more convinced that not buying anything Nokia will prove him to be FAR, FAR more wrong and very much more likely to get booted out and someone else get in there to reverse these stupid mistakes....

Well, the only argument against this is that there is the danger of throwing the baby out with the bath water. Either way, who am I kidding. If this community could really sway Nokia's thinking we wouldn't be in this position in the first place. So I would suggest that if you really want the N9, can find it and afford it, buy it. It doesn't really matter...

[abill_uk]

For all you impatient children on this thread i will have a few for sale some time towards the end of the month so keep hold of your nappies for another day :p

[Chuck Norris]

For all you impatient children on this thread i will have a few for sale some time towards the end of the month so keep hold of your nappies for another day :p

Damn, he is back from the prison.:mad:

[wmarone]

This doesn't mean it is a problem getting the N9 if you want one.
It is a problem, really. Mostly if you want actual warranty support or a remotely reasonable price instead of dealing with a middleman of questionable trustworthiness and tacking on a huge surcharge. And Nokia has not done this before. Even the N900 was available worldwide, though delayed.

[sjgadsby]

Heh so till N9 gets out Nokia announces everyday country that wont get it. Finland next?

I don't have After Effects anymore. Someone please motion track Elop's head into the existing summary of where the N9 won't be released (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDtdQ8bTvRc).

[gerbick]

Was thinking about this... soft launching the N9, not really hyping it up, getting the bad publicity - which is better than no publicity at all - and then releasing the Nokia N9 in the areas that already originally had their own online store (now all closed) but release it through Amazon or other avenues lessens the risks and costs in a launch.

Just a logical thought in the sea of angst and rage.

[abill_uk]

Was thinking about this... soft launching the N9, not really hyping it up, getting the bad publicity - which is better than no publicity at all - and then releasing the Nokia N9 in the areas that already originally had their own online store (now all closed) but release it through Amazon or other avenues lessens the risks and costs in a launch.

Just a logical thought in the sea of angst and rage.

He has cut down drastically on many things including outlets and advertising.

The device will sell itself thanks to this community and the rest of the world and by judging the pure frustration on this thread it is obviously going to be one hell of a storm this time and probably Nokia's best creation.

[jalyst]

And if you buy Nokia crap, you're going to validate Elop's decisions (especially since there's clearly not going to be very many N9's and the alternatives are all Windows Phone 7 phones)--which ALSO means no possibility whatsoever of a return to a Linux-based OS in the future. Lose-lose.
I say, let them learn what Elop's done--and hope they turn around the fire the ***** in a desperate attempt to gain back what they've lost. THAT might have a chance.

Sorry, but I still can't agree with that logic.
If you don't buy a N9 (even if you like it) just to teach Nokia a lesson.
Then you are validating management's decisions.
Because as we all know... So many things they've done/planned.
Have directly/indirectly dramatically impacted N9's chances.

Anyway it comes down to if you like the device overall once the comparos are done.
That's when I'll make my final decision...
I'm not going to buy or not buy it purely as a political gesture.

All I see is different strategies for different markets: Symbian is replaced by WP where it's unsuccessful (Nokia shares the marketing costs with Microsoft); Symbian stays alive for a while where it's sucessful (low marketing costs); Maemo / Meego / Whatever stays alive in the Nokia labs and developer communities with an experimental device being release every 12 to 18 months (R&D budget).
EDIT: Conclusion: there's no need to panic!

I hope you're right, but it sounds to good to be true IMO.
And I don't like the sound of MeeGo/Maemo remaining experimental, & for dev communities only.
Sounds like "ground hog day" all over again... :D
It should be gradually replacing Symbian entirely in those regions.
God knows it's so bloody well overdue!!

After the N9's been out for a while, & if it does well in regions it's being pushed (assuming it really is being pushed).
Then one'd assume it'd finally graduate to some semblance of a true mass-market OS/ecosystem.
Not "experimental", and for "dev. communities only"... :confused:

Then again, that's probably the status Nokia will keep it in...
Because they won't work hard on ensuring the aforementioned graduation occurs in those regions.
Because they'll be focusing way harder on WP, for the markets that matter most to them.

I'm not feeling any pain. And I'm not bitter towards Nokia. I'm just making a sound decision not to part with several hundred pounds for a device that has all but been abandoned by its manufacturer, even before its release. It's just a phone. Nothing more, nothing less. And it's a phone that I don't find quite as compelling as I first thought. I have (for now at least) an N950, so I'll continue to develop for the Meego-Harmattan platform alongside Maemo 5, which I still enjoy using. The N900 is still my main device. I honestly prefer it overall.

I'm feeling pain, and I'm somewhat bitter.
But that doesn't mean I'm not thinking logically in assessing the device/s that are most suitable for me.
I can understand where you're coming from though.

The problems are only in your heads, and they are created because you are thinking like a bunch of fanboys and drama queens.

Mate don't be rude to people. :confused:
They're allowed to express their opinions without being labelled.
Unless they're abill_uk... jus kiddin mate ;) :D

[catbus]

There will be Voddler-client for N9... cool...

[keflex]

They may not consider openness and data ownership now but Nokia was once a great company which catered to all audiences with different handsets. Now it has chosen a one size fits all approach with something that consumers are not that interested in. So I'm going to ask you the same question about WP7. If most consumers do not value this thing, why should nokia? Hope this doesn't come across as kicking and screaming, I've moved on, but I hope your emails weren't just "I agree, mein fuhrer".

I base my statements on several years of gradual progression WRT social media services, cloud computing and mobile OS design. You base your statements on the sales results of one particular OS that has only been in the market for one year.

QUALITY ARGUMENT BRO

[Kozzi]

There will be Voddler-client for N9... cool...

source ?
+x chars

[abill_uk]

The only real way of kicking Elop in the teeth is to refuse to buy any WP devices simple as that really then Nokia will get him out and carry on where they left off.... with the N9 of course ;)

[aironeous]

Maybe this goes beyond Elop being a trojan. What if that is just scratching the surface?
I mean what was the premise of removing the previous CEO?
Wasn't it falling stock and marketshare? Well since Elop has been in office hasn't it gotten 3x worse? Doesn't that seem like the board members are acting the exact opposite of how board members normally act?
What if it involves bribary, threats, blackmail etc.. Has anyone checked the board members and seen if they suddenly got rich or had their lives threatened or been in an implied scandal or anything. Don't they all have Nokia stock? Isn't it trashed right now? What were they offered in return?

I mean is there any evidence that there is real dirty handed corporate takeover tactics occuring here?

Former MS staff Weber comes out of retirement? What'd they say to him? "oh dude you can be the big boss man of America for Nokia, you're gonna be so awesome!"

Nawww come on! Most likely they said here's a big fat arse check to turn Nokia into a microsoft tool in the US.
He's like, "ohhhh look at all them zeros. Ok I'll do it."
Come on guys you know that's what it is.

I mean come on, the N9 clearly got a spectacular impression from the internet all around the damn world!
Apple's doing the "one device fits all and let them customize their device with apps" and they're winning market share and you're gonna tell me the board members can't see that and their f'n Nokia stocks are tanking and there is no inside dirty handed tactics occuring?

So they clearly get this is a "one device fits all iphone competitor" feedback and they are clearly trying to compete with Iphone but they don't release it worldwide? Do those two things seem contradictory to you?

What is the logic after getting such a very positive impression from everybody on the N9 even former "Nokia sucks people" to not letting this thing loose worldwide to atleast see if it eats Iphone marketshare?

There is no logical reasonable premise.
There are 50 arrows
48 of them are pointing towards Microsoft Trojan/s
2 are pointing to Nokia strategy to survive.

Bottom F'n line.

250 devices. That is supercalifragilistically small fry. Ok fine 300 it's still that.
That is sabotoge plain and simple.
That is not thinking big, that is not pushing your product, that is not attacking the competition, that is not trying to make a dent in iphone market share!
I'm f'n done pretending. N9 is my last Nokia device IF I can get it.

In no way am I putting down the harmattan devs I'm pointing towards upper management

[abill_uk]

Mate don't be rude to people. :confused:
They're allowed to express their opinions without being labelled.
Unless they're abill_uk... jus kiddin mate ;) :D

Not sure whether to kick you or ...... :p :D

[tissot]

You are not going to fire the CEO under a year, his WP plan isn't even on the market yet. Elop has at least been 4x faster to actually get things moving on than OPK. Nokia Windows Phones could be out next month already.
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/08/12/nokia-ordered-2-million-windows-phones-for-september/

OPK had years to finish his "it's not about hardware, but software" and failed horribly.
Also it's not like Elop made these decissions alone, board have agreed to move with the Microsoft plan.

[keflex]

250 devices. That is supercalifragilistically small fry. Ok fine 300 it's still that.
That is sabotoge plain and simple.
That is not thinking big, that is not pushing your product, that is not attacking the competition, that is not trying to make a dent in iphone market share!
I'm f'n done pretending. N9 is my last Nokia device IF I can get it.

In no way am I putting down the harmattan devs I'm pointing towards upper management

300 devices to MeeGo devs, many more to commercial devs.

If you're going to spout ****** conspiracy theories be sure to get your facts straight.

[jalyst]

I don't have After Effects anymore. Someone please motion track Elop's head into the existing summary of where the N9 won't be released (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDtdQ8bTvRc).

yes, do it! :D

[BigBadGuber!]

Everyone assumes that limited release of N9 is due to its competitiveness with NOKIA MS phone. I think you also have to look at it differently, perhaps N9 CAN NOT compete in the American market due to disadvantages that we are not aware of. I heard from several reviewers that VKB is not that good. If VKB is not that good, that is a definite deal breaker. Who knows what else may not be good, hence ship it to the Third World

[jalyst]

There will be Voddler-client for N9... cool...

Looks like EU-based online video streaming service...
Not available to Australia, I hope it's available to more than just a few countries in the EU.

[bsd1101]

I would like to say they should make it possible to flash any Nokia/MS phone with meego but MS would never allow that to happen.

[jalyst]

I heard from several reviewers that VKB is not that good. If VKB is not that good, that is a definite deal breaker.

Can you recall a few of those reviews?
If you're referring to the few in this thread...
AIR all were pretty-much watered-down in the end, as nothing to worry about.

The only direct hands on w/a N9 in this thread (undoubtedly w/beta fw) was from 1x person.
And he conceded it was fine overall as far as VKB's go, just didn't have long with it etc.

But you make a fair point...
There may be many other areas that are really crappy, that we don't know anything about yet.
Time will tell I guess....

[larux]

Everyone assumes that limited release of N9 is due to its competitiveness with NOKIA MS phone. I think you also have to look at it differently, perhaps N9 CAN NOT compete in the American market due to disadvantages that we are not aware of. I heard from several reviewers that VKB is not that good. If VKB is not that good, that is a definite deal breaker. Who knows what else may not be good, hence ship it to the Third World

I have used N9's vkb twice and have to say that's it's just vkb. It's comparable iPod Touch that I also have.

I have been spoiled by physical kb (N900) so my opinion is a bit biased.

Still recommendation is STRONG buy. gadget is amazing. Simply amazing. Want it now.

[umo120]

I base my statements on several years of gradual progression WRT social media services, cloud computing and mobile OS design. You base your statements on the sales results of one particular OS that has only been in the market for one year.

QUALITY ARGUMENT BRO

Yep, good old business strategy "it's superb product on (my) paper so who would need to know if it actually sells?"

[BigBadGuber!]

I have used N9's vkb twice and have to say that's it's just vkb. It's comparable iPod Touch that I also have.

I have been spoiled by physical kb (N900) so my opinion is a bit biased.

Still recommendation is STRONG buy. gadget is amazing. Simply amazing. Want it now.

There was another guy from California who tested it and compared it to Nexus, claiming more misspellings with N9. Again, I have not tested it, and all I can do is gather info from people that had chance to play with it. I certainly would hate to buy a device that I hate to type on, and be told by other members: Well, we told you so! You know what I mean.

[keflex]

Some guy in California makes a couple of typos
THE VIRTUAL KEYBOARD IS TERRIBLE THE N9 SUCKS

[keflex]

Yep, good old business strategy "it's superb product on (my) paper so who would need to know if it actually sells?"

Look buddy if you want to straw man it up be my guest, but don't expect me to actually put any effort into replying to you.

[jalyst]

There was another guy from California who tested it and compared it to Nexus, claiming more misspellings with N9..

Yeah but he conceded later that the guy before him seemed to have much less problem typing.
So it it may have been his motor skills weren't as quickly adaptable for the 5-min he had to use it.

[hotnikkelz]

The VKB is at worse average. That is not the issue. It's not being released in certain areas NOT because of the incompetence of the device (which we have not heard of mind you) but because Elop basically KILLED the thought of long term support with his statements.
So yeah why would the biggest smartphone markets wanna buy a device after Elop said things like
'Meego is experimental'
'Meego isn't ready, it won't be till 2013 so we went WP7'
'n9 is going to be the only meego device'
'we're cutting Meego expenditure DRASTICALLY, and shift most of our resources to make sure wp7 doesn't fail'

[umo120]

Look buddy if you want to straw man it up be my guest, but don't expect me to actually put any effort into replying to you.
Thanks for your prompt response!

[daperl]

I heard from several reviewers that VKB is not that good. If VKB is not that good, that is a definite deal breaker. Who knows what else may not be good, hence ship it to the Third World

Well, as someone that's been using an n950 as their primary phone for about a month now, I'm here to say that as default VKBs go, it's very good, especially since you can set the space bar for word completion. I too have an iPod touch; the MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan VKB is on par with the iOS VKB. I know VKBs well enough. I've written a few, and it's no stretch to admit that after PR 1.1, the n900 VKB was one of the biggest pieces of sh*t ever coded.

Please stop repeating your negative VKB hearsay. It's basically FUD.

[Kozzi]

Eff'in pentile on N9:

http://denismajor.ru/wp-includes/images/wlw/Nokia-N9--PenTile_96C0/DSCF3168.jpg

Damn!

Mustn't come as a surprise since n9 has 3.9" screen and min requirement for non pentile amoled is >4". Btw Looks like it has a pentile RGBW, which is great.

[mikecomputing]

had a bit of an email back-and-forth with stephen today. I do actually trust the executive to make the best decisions they can, and I believe this is what they are doing. as kanishou has pointed out, most consumers don't consider things like open-ness and data ownership when purchasing a new phone. if most consumers do not value these things, why should nokia? the neckbeard fury is getting old, and the supreme ignorance of business logic even moreso. I will likely buy an N9,because I like the N9. if you do not, that's fine; that's the beauty of a capitalist marketplace. but kicking & screaming solves nothing, and makes you look pathetic.

you really had to be kidding!? why do people prefer Android then!? are u saying those people will run WP in some year? oh well maybe they will but nor because.they want more because they muust wnhen MicroNokia and Apple has sued all companys for runing Android == means they will kill it.

If thats what you think younger generation do then I really dissagree...

[mikecomputing]

He has cut down drastically on many things including outlets and advertising.

The device will sell itself thanks to this community and the rest of the world and by judging the pure frustration on this thread it is obviously going to be one hell of a storm this time and probably Nokia's best creation.


ROTFL so you really think it will sell well without marketing resources not a chance.

I will buy the deviced but with lack of marketing it will fail globally. It mayh sell well in northeurope and ausstria but the rest it will fail thanks too Elop and his Microsoftteam...

[keflex]

you really had to be kidding!? why do people prefer Android then!? are u saying those people will run WP in some year? oh well maybe they will but nor because.they want more because they muust wnhen MicroNokia and Apple has sued all companys for runing Android == means they will kill it.

If thats what you think younger generation do then I really dissagree...

People prefer Android because of both the range of applications and the range of Android handsets available across multiple price points, provided by multiple OEMs.

And from there your post kinda descended into undecipherable nonsense so yeah.

[mikecomputing]

People prefer Android because of both the range of applications and the range of Android handsets available across multiple price points, provided by multiple OEMs.

And from there your post kinda descended into undecipherable nonsense so yeah.

And exacly the same could happen if they continued Symbian/Meego and Qt instead of trying to kill it by going WP7. Its just garbage Elop is trying to tell you and others.

He is still working for Microsoft and the US thats for sure.

STILL they strategy FAILS! thats my point you seems to dissagre cause some stupid messages from MrElop. But ofcourse he trying to convince you and stockholders Nokias decision is right. Hell what do you think? If he did say the real true he would be VERY stupid.

I see it in a bigger way and its seem more and more like MicroNokia will try to kill competitors same way as Apple is trying to do it now == sue competitors :mad: thats why they cant go Meego its to open. This has nothing to do with what "people want".

Its all the same: they run WP7 down your throat and then saying "this is what you want to use". Same way as it always has been :mad:

This is not freedom its what I call capitalist diktatur where the biggest companys dictates what you should use...

[keflex]

And exacly the same could happen if they continued Symbian/Meego and Qt instead of trying to kill it by going WP7. Its just garbage Elop is trying to tell you and others.

Symbian already had its chance to be the smartphone OS of choice for other OEMs, and they turned their backs on it. Similarly, there's been no legitimate attempts made at a MeeGo smartphone outside the N9 itself.

Its all the same they run WP7 down your throat and then saying "this is what you want to use". Same way as it always has been :mad:

This is not freedom its what I call capitalist diktatur where the biggest companys dictates what you should use...

The only real alternative to that would be an OEM that allows the customer to choose their OS of choice at point-of-sale, and that's a long way off, if ever even a possibility.

If you don't like WP7, that's fine; vote with your wallet. Again, benefit of a capitalist marketplace. Nokia is using WP7 as its primary platform, much like Sony Ericsson & Motorola use Android. What Nokia are actually saying is "This is what we think the market would like to see in a product". They may be right, or they may be wrong; no reasonable conclusion can be derived yet. However, I am very willing to conclude that you're an idiot.

[aironeous]

300 devices to MeeGo devs, many more to commercial devs.

If you're going to spout ****** conspiracy theories be sure to get your facts straight.

ok I stand corrected if that is really true...
Please.... due tell.

[keflex]

I'm not going to rifle through Internet articles just to prove a point; that's your job. You made the claim, so the burden of proof is on you. It's not my fault you weren't thorough enough.

[ysss]

lol keflex is like a warrior tank that's single-handedly warding off low level monsters swarming him from all directions...

*casts heal from afar*

[BwackNinja]

The kind of people who are frequenting the internet for news about new devices that haven't come out yet like the N9. That's not exactly an instant win, but its definitely not a downside.

If despite the money being put into it, WP7 sells just as poorly as everyone here says it will, then there will be no need to dissolve the Microsoft-Nokia partnership, Microsoft will just do its best to make it look like it never happened. If they fail, Nokia will have no choice but to go Meego or no go. Or they might cave completely and go the Android route, and probably be loved by all by having nice devices. They've shown they can competently make a UI, they can shove great hardware in a device, and likely wont have any problem with unlocked bootloaders.

Given the N9 as a gauge, the phones Nokia will be putting out wont suck... far from it. The only thing that might suck would be WP7 and that's on MS.

[Cue]

I base my statements on several years of gradual progression WRT social media services, cloud computing and mobile OS design. You base your statements on the sales results of one particular OS that has only been in the market for one year.

QUALITY ARGUMENT BRO

The irony of your sarcastic rebuttal must be lost on you.

http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/microsoft_news/231300314

I base my statements on market trends. You on pure faith and a crystal ball. The very thing you were all too eager to point out was "if the consumer has no interest in it why should Nokia". It could be the greatest product in the world (it's not, but it's certainly not rubbish) but if the consumer has no interest in it then nor should Nokia. Your argument is lacking and incoherent, not mine.

[hotnikkelz]

The irony of your sarcastic rebuttal must be lost on you.

http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/microsoft_news/231300314

I base my statements on market trends. You on pure faith and a crystal ball. The very thing you were all too eager to point out was "if the consumer has no interest in it why should Nokia". It could be the greatest product in the world (it's not, but it's certainly not rubbish) but if the consumer has no interest in it then nor should Nokia. Your argument is lacking and incoherent, not mine.

I think that happened cuz nothing new has happened with the platform (minor software updates and no new phones) since the release. I expect a continuous decline until mango comes out on 2nd gen hardware.

[mikecomputing]

Symbian already had its chance to be the smartphone OS of choice for other OEMs, and they turned their backs on it. Similarly, there's been no legitimate attempts made at a MeeGo smartphone outside the N9 itself.



The only real alternative to that would be an OEM that allows the customer to choose their OS of choice at point-of-sale, and that's a long way off, if ever even a possibility.

If you don't like WP7, that's fine; vote with your wallet. Again, benefit of a capitalist marketplace. Nokia is using WP7 as its primary platform, much like Sony Ericsson & Motorola use Android. What Nokia are actually saying is "This is what we think the market would like to see in a product". They may be right, or they may be wrong; no reasonable conclusion can be derived yet. However, I am very willing to conclude that you're an idiot.

LOL! Wonder who is the biggest idiot here, You beleiving on Elops word or me...

Reason Symbian has failed in history is because the devframework sucked but now the Qt is on place it could actually start compete with WP7/IOS and Android. But instead the board got panic and MrFlop started spread FUD in february and helped kill it instead of improve it. Again its all about marketing! WP7 may succes but STILL its not because its the "best ecosystem" or the best for consumers or even Nokia as company. Only idiots who believe in Elop may think this is the case.

Btw I am definitivly not an idiot even if my english sucks...

[Cue]

I think that happened cuz nothing new has happened with the platform (minor software updates and no new phones) since the release. I expect a continuous decline until mango comes out on 2nd gen hardware.

That's true, but if there is any lack of phone releases it is likely an indirect effect of the lack of consumer interest in the released devices. In other words the release of a Nokia WP7 phone will boost WP7 sales, but may not necessarily boost Nokia sales more than any other new release.

[keflex]

The irony of your sarcastic rebuttal must be lost on you.

http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/microsoft_news/231300314

I base my statements on market trends. You on pure faith and a crystal ball. The very thing you were all too eager to point out was "if the consumer has no interest in it why should Nokia". It could be the greatest product in the world (it's not, but it's certainly not rubbish) but if the consumer has no interest in it then nor should Nokia. Your argument is lacking and incoherent, not mine.

Check the original comScore data; the reason for the "loss" in marketshare is primarily atophying of WM6.5 users.

Well done.

[keflex]

Seriously if you want a participation trophy I think I have an old apple core lying around my bedroom somewhere.

[somedude]

this thread looks like its on its way to surpass tge epic announcement of n9 thread before its public shipment begins

[Cue]

Check the original comScore data; the reason for the "loss" in marketshare is primarily atophying of WM6.5 users.

Well done.

checked already, but your patronising tone is only showing your lack of intelligence in your bid to dispute a simple point. If Win 6.5 is atophying by which I assume you mean atrophying then they are buying other phones, not WP7. It's that simple, it's a marketshare, this is not a hard concept to understand.

[BigBadGuber!]

Well, as someone that's been using an n950 as their primary phone for about a month now, I'm here to say that as default VKBs go, it's very good, especially since you can set the space bar for word completion. I too have an iPod touch; the MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan VKB is on par with the iOS VKB. I know VKBs well enough. I've written a few, and it's no stretch to admit that after PR 1.1, the n900 VKB was one of the biggest pieces of sh*t ever coded.

Please stop repeating your negative VKB hearsay. It's basically FUD.

You are using N950 and NOT N9. iphone has had many itinerations to perfect their VKB and N900 VKB, as you said, was abysmal. Hence you can understand my concern when few peops here are not giving it a stellar review. I will wait for in depth reviews by daily users of N9 to decide if worth buying.

[catbus]

source ?
+x chars

Sorry delay...

http://mynokiablog.com/2011/08/12/nokia-n9-for-turkey-launch-event-on-august-15/ |grep voddler - by Mika... rumour or humour, don't know... If true, then +

[keflex]

checked already, but your patronising tone is only showing your lack of intelligence in your bid to dispute a simple point. If Win 6.5 is atophying by which I assume you mean atrophying then they are buying other phones, not WP7. It's that simple, it's a marketshare, this is not a hard concept to understand.

But we haven't got at the core of why they are choosing alternate OS'. I would think there's two real factors at play:

- Lack of carrier support/support from salespeople within carrier stores
- Lack of new devices

Do either of those show great macromanagement on behalf of Microsoft? Not really. But they do mean that it's probably not really worth rating the sales data until Mango comes along with new devices in tow and bridges the service gap that currently exists between WP7 & its competitors. How was Android's first year again?

Honestly son the door is right there, if you want to walk through it at any time I won't laugh too hard.

[catbus]

Looks like EU-based online video streaming service...
Not available to Australia, I hope it's available to more than just a few countries in the EU.

At least this is one of the opening a commercial company to support the N9... What was that eco-word Elop mentioned some time ago. I wonder :confused:

It grows and quickly...

[catbus]

I will wait for in depth reviews by daily users of N9 to decide if worth buying.

Could you please be quiet while you wait?

[keflex]

Reason Symbian has failed in history is because the devframework sucked but now the Qt is on place it could actually start compete with WP7/IOS and Android. But instead the board got panic and MrFlop started spread FUD in february and helped kill it instead of improve it. Again its all about marketing! WP7 may succes but STILL its not because its the "best ecosystem" or the best for consumers or even Nokia as company. Only idiots who believe in Elop may think this is the case.

No, that's the reason Symbian failed in the past. The reason it is still failing is because of the aged UI design and the "underpowering" of flagship devices (we all know this is because Symbian doesn't need a particularly speedy CPU to perform well, but the general public don't).

The board didn't "panic", they responded to a quick drop in marketshare in Q4 2010 that looked like it had no sign of stopping. They took stock of all their options and WP7 is where they arrived. You have no insight into their decision-making process and neither do I, so we can't say HOW they came to this conclusion. However I'm willing to bet they didn't just go Leon on the situation

WAKE UP

TIME TO DIE

Seriously, most people in the world have more common sense than you do. You should probably try and remember that.

[Cue]

But we haven't got at the core of why they are choosing alternate OS'. I would think there's two real factors at play:

- Lack of carrier support/support from salespeople within carrier stores
- Lack of new devices

Do either of those show great macromanagement on behalf of Microsoft? Not really. But they do mean that it's probably not really worth rating the sales data until Mango comes along with new devices in tow and bridges the service gap that currently exists between WP7 & its competitors. How was Android's first year again?

Honestly son the door is right there, if you want to walk through it at any time I won't laugh too hard.

Whatever happened to your mantra of "it's not poor management but a company who is just following what consumers want". Why does this not apply to OEMs, The lack of carrier support and devices is due to poor sales.

Don't see why android sales matter here but I think even you should be able to see the trend in this graph. If for some unkown reason your extrapolation draws you to your current conclusion then it's pure faith and not market trends.

http://fortunebrainstormtech.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/screen-shot-2011-06-21-at-6-28-47-am.png
http://fortunebrainstormtech.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/screen-shot-2011-06-21-at-6-15-10-am.png

You can laugh like an insane person all you like while I walk out the door but it's clear you refuse to see anything that's presented to you.

[Tigerite]

However I'm willing to bet they didn't just go Leon on the situation

WAKE UP

TIME TO DIE


That was Bladerunner (Rutger Hauer), no?

[keflex]

Because of course, that first year of flat growth means absolutely nothing to you. Either you don't how to interpret data visualisations, or you just ignored it for some inextricable reason. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume you are really, really dumb. Thanks for proving my point though.

Also, you've completely misrepresented what I've been saying; I've been saying that Nokia believe they are representing both the interests of the market and their own self-interest in the best possible way. I've also pointed out that I am not concluding this is the correct way to go yet; I am simply saying to wait and see. But jumping to conclusions is all the rage around here, so I can see why you thought I might follow suit.

Also the lack of devices is due to the planned release schedule for these devices. As we all know, mobile handsets have very long lead times for development and it's unlikely that any recent sales data would have affected device production.

Also as an aside, I only refuse points when they are grounded in poor logic. All your posts have been characterised by misrepresenting current information, including my own stance on the topic at hand. Most of my posts have been based on correcting your assumptions, representations of data and overt generalisations of the current marketplace. Game over, please deposit 40 quarters.

[keflex]

That was Bladerunner (Rutger Hauer), no?

Yeah it was, but it was Leon who said the line. Good pickup, didn't actually think anyone would know what I was on about.

[catbus]

That was Bladerunner (Rutger Hauer), no?

Leon was a pretty quiet guy "*hrmhr*"... :D

[momcilo]

300 devices to MeeGo devs, many more to commercial devs.

If you're going to spout ****** conspiracy theories be sure to get your facts straight.

As for commercial developers. I've singed up on behalf of company I am working for.

I did not get confirmation mail at all. So, I would not like to bet on many more commercial devs.

[SR90]

I was going through youtube for new nokia n9 videos ...and found this video of n9 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-3cA49oK-4

Its the same girl that is promoting nokia n9 around the europe ... everyone though that she is holding a white n9 but in reality its a black one with white cover on it !

I hope they come up with the white one ...even if they don't im going to buy the Cyan one ....IF THEY RELEASE THE N9 !!!!!

[gerbick]

ROTFL so you really think it will sell well without marketing resources not a chance.

And yet... without marketing as an American I've purchased the 770, N810 and N900. None of them had advertising in North America.

If marketing is so damn important, why hasn't any happened in any iteration of the Maemo devices so far? If marketing is so damn important, why didn't the N900 do even better in Europe and Asia?

Don't quote high returns as the fault. Build better **** then Nokia should have been the message. Don't quote that the iPhone/Android was in the way. Learn how to compete better.

Marketing is a skill that Nokia just doesn't have. They do have name recognition like no other. And lately, even that is slipping.

I will buy the deviced but with lack of marketing it will fail globally.

And that's what happened 4 Maemo devices so far... all were not globally as well-received as any iteration - including the locked down, never receive an update versions - of an Android device.

Buying a device from Maemo/MeeGo device from Nokia doesn't seem to come with advertising. Or long-term support.

It mayh sell well in northeurope and ausstria but the rest it will fail thanks too Elop and his Microsoftteam...

If you can find it. The marketing errors of Maemo precede Elop. 4 devices down, no real marketing that meant a damn thing. 5th device is suffering from that decision. Could have had 4-5 years of Maemo recognition + Nokia's name recognition and none of what's happening now would be an option.

Simply put, past mistakes, past bad decisions have created this situation where Elop & crew are able to say "It didn't sell well last time. Why sell it now?" and look more right than wrong.

Too bad the Nokia Board of Directors - not the ****ing shareholders like you people tend to deflect to, the shareholders suggest, the board ratifies/decides - didn't think the same about WP7 (re: "It didn't sell well in the US. Why sell it now?")

[gerbick]

You know a plus though?

It's highly likely that the N950 devs will never have to return the devices given how they don't want to even sell the Nokia N9.

Win-win!

[Cue]

Because of course, that first year of flat growth means absolutely nothing to you. Either you don't how to interpret data visualisations, or you just ignored it for some inextricable reason. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume you are really, really dumb. Thanks for proving my point though.

Also, you've completely misrepresented what I've been saying; I've been saying that Nokia believe they are representing both the interests of the market and their own self-interest in the best possible way. I've also pointed out that I am not concluding this is the correct way to go yet; I am simply saying to wait and see. But jumping to conclusions is all the rage around here, so I can see why you thought I might follow suit.

Also the lack of devices is due to the planned release schedule for these devices. As we all know, mobile handsets have very long lead times for development and it's unlikely that any recent sales data would have affected device production.

Also as an aside, I only refuse points when they are grounded in poor logic. All your posts have been characterised by misrepresenting current information, including my own stance on the topic at hand. Most of my posts have been based on correcting your assumptions, representations of data and overt generalisations of the current marketplace. Game over, please deposit 40 quarters.

I'm going to walk away from this nonsense, sane people looking at that graph can form their own opinion on market trends and you can go back and read the posts if you like. I made little to no assumptions. I actually followed your daft logic throughout, which you applied to things only when it twisted some other daft statement of yours in your favour but decided to ignore it when you saw fit. I misinterpreted nothing because I actually was discussing your rebuttal to my own comment. go back and read it if your memory also fails you. Good day and goodbye.

[momcilo]

I was going through youtube for new nokia n9 videos ...and found this video of n9 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-3cA49oK-4

Its the same girl that is promoting nokia n9 around the europe ... everyone though that she is holding a white n9 but in reality its a black one with white cover on it !

I hope they come up with the white one ...even if they don't im going to buy the Cyan one ....IF THEY RELEASE THE N9 !!!!!

Early casing prototypes are printed with 3D printers and are usually white and very fragile.

[jalyst]

Eff'in pentile on N9:
Damn!

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74802&page=8

ROTFL so you really think it will sell well without marketing resources not a chance.
I will buy the deviced but with lack of marketing it will fail globally. It mayh sell well in northeurope and ausstria but the rest it will fail thanks too Elop and his Microsoftteam...

I think we're getting a bit carried away with Elop/Management evil this, & incompetent that.
It does actually still seem to be a fairly aggressive release worldwide:
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/08/12/nokia-n9-for-turkey-launch-event-on-august-15/
See comments also.....

Sure UK/US/DE/ES etc. may not get it period....
But almost everywhere else seems to be getting it, if not via carriers, then def. via plenty of retail availability.
And many of those countries do seem to be getting carrier availability now too.

Lets just let things evolve a bit more, I'm not so sure Elop's deliberately trying to kill it now.
Maybe he/management will try to push it hard in markets where Symbian's traditionally been strongest, at least for now.

But I'll only believe that if I see it followed-up with strong marketing, & stronger help w/commercial apps/ecosystem.
Which previous Maemo devices never really had, because Symbian always won the priority/funding arguments etc.

Random Readings:
*Start taking bets: September 7 fingered for fall Apple event (http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/08/start-taking-bets-september-7-fingered-for-fall-apple-event.ars)
^ UPDATE: Sources for The Loop say that a September 7 event is definitely "not happening (http://www.loopinsight.com/2011/08/12/apple-will-not-hold-iphone-5-on-sept-7/)".
Sept still looking probably though...
*Nokia ordered 2-million Windows phones for September (http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/08/12/nokia-ordered-2-million-windows-phones-for-september)

[hotnikkelz]

You are using N950 and NOT N9. iphone has had many itinerations to perfect their VKB and N900 VKB, as you said, was abysmal. Hence you can understand my concern when few peops here are not giving it a stellar review. I will wait for in depth reviews by daily users of N9 to decide if worth buying.

uhhh the n950 and n9 have the same software albeit minor firmware version differences...probably, but what is your point exactly? You really think there will be that much difference between the two VKBs? seriously?....really...seriously?

[catbus]

Back to the N9...

Does anyone N9/N950 users know, if the recording program works in the background, for example, when you write a memo at the meeting same time.

I hope there is the recording program?

[jalyst]

I was going through youtube for new nokia n9 videos ...and found this video of n9 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-3cA49oK-4

Blondie in that vid's cute! :D

[lma]

Early casing prototypes are printed with 3D printers and are usually white and very fragile.

Reminds me of the white 770 prototype Ari Jaaksi showed at the Amsterdam summit:

http://www.umpcportal.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Capture_00011.jpg

[keflex]

I'm going to walk away from this nonsense, sane people looking at that graph can form their own opinion on market trends and you can go back and read the posts if you like. I made little to no assumptions. I actually followed your daft logic throughout, which you applied to things only when it twisted some other daft statement of yours in your favour but decided to ignore it when you saw fit. I misinterpreted nothing because I actually was discussing your rebuttal to my own comment. go back and read it if your memory also fails you. Good day and goodbye.

Glad to see you've come to your senses, don't let the door hit you on your way out.

[hotnikkelz]

But we haven't got at the core of why they are choosing alternate OS'. I would think there's two real factors at play:

- Lack of carrier support/support from salespeople within carrier stores
- Lack of new devices

Do either of those show great macromanagement on behalf of Microsoft? Not really. But they do mean that it's probably not really worth rating the sales data until Mango comes along with new devices in tow and bridges the service gap that currently exists between WP7 & its competitors. How was Android's first year again?

Honestly son the door is right there, if you want to walk through it at any time I won't laugh too hard.

Firstly i would say Symbian didn't really fail in the past, it was actually quite successful until ios and and later android came along. Symbian's demise is due to the fact it seemed to be an engineering struggle to advance it yet remain compatible with legacy stuff. The old dog was struggling to do new tricks. People are still waiting for anna, just to get a portrait keyboard for example.

Lack of carrier support is due to one thing and one thing only. Lack of sales. If your **** sells plenty, carriers will jump at it

Lack of devices? Heh, symbian has many. iPhone has one.

I would repeat again, Nokia's sales strategy did not bode well with the US carrier driven business. When they tried to adjust, it was too late, symbian was already outdated, noone wanted it, so neither did carriers.

Had Nokia finish maemo/meego harmattan whatever, when android had it's 1.6 and adjusted their strategy for the main smarthphone markets like US and UK to offer subsidized phones at different price ranges, they would've been where Android is right now. They were just too slow. Too much red tape.

This is one thing i like about Elop, he has severed so much red tape, that things are actually being done. Will his WP7 strategy workout? i dunno. But from reading many other palces, people are ITCHING to get WP7 mango on Nokia, as much as we here are itching to get n9

[keflex]

Good post, although I will point out that I said "new devices", not just devices. The iPhone is the exception, not the rule.

[jalyst]

Had Nokia finish maemo/meego harmattan whatever, when android had it's 1.6 and adjusted their strategy for the main smarthphone markets like US and UK to offer subsidized phones at different price ranges, they would've been where Android is right now. They were just too slow. Too much red tape.

And the reason we've had to little, too late from Maemo/Meego over the years...
Is because it wasn't given the majority of the focus/funding until far too late (approx Q1 2010 IIRC).
Symbian kept prosecuting the case for it's relevance (rightly or wrongly so) to Maemo's detriment.

[BigBadGuber!]

I think that N9 is a buggy device and cant compete in the good old USA market

[hotnikkelz]

@keflex
Ah, I see. However, iphone is the exception for a reason. There was absolutely no reason why Nokia, could not have done what iphone has done. I personally blame it on a king's arrogance. Arrogance led Nokia to this predicament.

@jalyst
Yeah, that was Nokia's arrogance again. We're on top, we can take our time and do whatever we want when we want. iPhone? bah, noone wants that, we are Nokia, we are god. Holy ****, iphone is selling we should probably try this touch screen thing hmm....android...nah we're still good, we are nokia. Then it was like damn we need to speed up this qt business. Holy ****, so much tape, damnit.

@bigbad
You're a funny troll :) i like u. Cod3rror > you though.

[jalyst]

I think that N9 is a buggy device and cant compete in the good old USA market

Bit premature to claim it's buggy full-stop don't you think? :confused:
Or is it just that you really want it to be buggy, through some misguided allegiance toward one camp or another?

[jalyst]

http://mynokiablog.com/2011/08/13/nokia-n9-for-canada-at-expansys/

[danramos]

Sorry, but I still can't agree with that logic.
If you don't buy a N9 (even if you like it) just to teach Nokia a lesson.
Then you are validating management's decisions.
Because as we all know... So many things they've done/planned.
Have directly/indirectly dramatically impacted N9's chances.

Anyway it comes down to if you like the device overall once the comparos are done.
That's when I'll make my final decision...
I'm not going to buy or not buy it purely as a political gesture.

I think you missed my point about not buying ANYTHING Nokia (not just the N9) as a better way to make a point about how he's managing the company. If they suffer as a result of him, they're far more likely to drop him like a rock and you're less likely to prove him right (which the N9 never will, given it's not even being produced in enough quantity to "prove him wrong" anyway).

It's not political. It's simply a matter of economics. Why waste money on a lose-lose proposition to end up sitting on a dead-end, unwarrantied, unsupported NEW product?

The VKB is at worse average. That is not the issue. It's not being released in certain areas NOT because of the incompetence of the device (which we have not heard of mind you) but because Elop basically KILLED the thought of long term support with his statements.
So yeah why would the biggest smartphone markets wanna buy a device after Elop said things like
'Meego is experimental'
'Meego isn't ready, it won't be till 2013 so we went WP7'
'n9 is going to be the only meego device'
'we're cutting Meego expenditure DRASTICALLY, and shift most of our resources to make sure wp7 doesn't fail'

Is the VKB open-source? At worse, CAN you at least replace the VKB with a replacement? If SOME people like it, great--keep it. If not, can you at least get something you're far more comfortable with or replace the closed-source one with an open-source one that CAN be improved? I know that, at least on Android, there's a default keyboard but you can replace it easily... and many people really love Swype as their on-screen keyboard (myself included!). Can this also be done on the N9?

The kind of people who are frequenting the internet for news about new devices that haven't come out yet like the N9.

But--the title of this thread...!! It's HERE already!!

checked already, but your patronising tone is only showing your lack of intelligence in your bid to dispute a simple point. If Win 6.5 is atophying by which I assume you mean atrophying then they are buying other phones, not WP7. It's that simple, it's a marketshare, this is not a hard concept to understand.

I think the phrase you're looking for to make your point is: "diminishing brand loyalty." Microsoft and Nokia have this in common right now.

But we haven't got at the core of why they are choosing alternate OS'. I would think there's two real factors at play:

- Lack of carrier support/support from salespeople within carrier stores
- Lack of new devices

Do either of those show great macromanagement on behalf of Microsoft? Not really. But they do mean that it's probably not really worth rating the sales data until Mango comes along with new devices in tow and bridges the service gap that currently exists between WP7 & its competitors. How was Android's first year again?

Honestly son the door is right there, if you want to walk through it at any time I won't laugh too hard.

Need I remind you that Microsoft is hardly in their first year of writing a mobile OS for phones? Even if this is a re-write, you couldn't possibly compare that to the HTC G1's release on T-Mobile as being equatable? Didn't Microsoft also wage this same fight for a couple of decades against Palm as well.. and even when Palm was dying out, Microsoft STILL came out a loser in the end. People were getting tired of buying or checking out Microsoft's shoddy experiences on mobile and it's still left an incredibly bitter taste. The newest offering still manages to, so far, leave people unimpressed in a sea of competitors that Microsoft must now contend with. In this sea, Nokia has tragically hitched itself up with the most damaged ship it would find.

No, that's the reason Symbian failed in the past. The reason it is still failing is because of the aged UI design and the "underpowering" of flagship devices (we all know this is because Symbian doesn't need a particularly speedy CPU to perform well, but the general public don't).

The board didn't "panic", they responded to a quick drop in marketshare in Q4 2010 that looked like it had no sign of stopping. They took stock of all their options and WP7 is where they arrived. You have no insight into their decision-making process and neither do I, so we can't say HOW they came to this conclusion. However I'm willing to bet they didn't just go Leon on the situation

WAKE UP

TIME TO DIE

Seriously, most people in the world have more common sense than you do. You should probably try and remember that.

If that's true, they're not interested in EITHER Windows Phone 7 nor Maemo/MeeGo. Not that I liked it myself, they DID seem pretty happy with Symbian, since we're talking all about market share.

[catbus]

I think that N9 is a buggy device and cant compete in the good old USA market

USA market is not good enough for jewel like N9... :D

[scapegoat845]

USA market is not good enough for jewel like N9... :D

Agreed...... & i live in the US :)

[danramos]

USA market is not good enough for jewel like N9... :D

And it'll remain buried so long as Elop continues to turd up its polish and burying it half-way up his lower intestine, plugged up in there by his buried head.

http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt93/Kachtice0565/Stuff/HeadUpRear.jpg

[keflex]

Even if this is a re-write

Good job on nullifying your first sentence.

you couldn't possibly compare that to the HTC G1's release on T-Mobile as being equatable?

By the end of its first year, Android had 6 handsets in the US across 2 carriers; WP7 has 7 handsets across 4 carriers. Not completely balanced but more than you allege it to be.

The newest offering still manages to, so far, leave people unimpressed in a sea of competitors that Microsoft must now contend with.

Actually, WP7 has very high levels of satisfaction amongst its users. Much like everyone else here, you are a victim of your own hyperbole.

[catbus]

Agreed...... & i live in the US :)

Nothing against US, just BBG-Troll... :D

[catbus]

And it'll remain buried so long as Elop continues to turd up its polish and burying it half-way up his lower intestine, plugged up in there by his buried head.



Ah, o dear, how buried... oooooh... so poetic

[hotnikkelz]

Is the VKB open-source? At worse, CAN you at least replace the VKB with a replacement? If SOME people like it, great--keep it. If not, can you at least get something you're far more comfortable with or replace the closed-source one with an open-source one that CAN be improved? I know that, at least on Android, there's a default keyboard but you can replace it easily... and many people really love Swype as their on-screen keyboard (myself included!). Can this also be done on the N9?


Open source? I'm not sure. I've heard that you can make and/or swap keyboards. Not sure how true that is. One can only guess at this point i assume. Swype is available for sure from what I've gathered.

That statement you made where you drew a parallel of the Nokia and Microsoft band could not be any truer. They share the same shitty personality traits haha.
Microsoft's bad rep hurt WP7 bad....but the upcoming Mango seemed to shave off some of that hate, the lumbering giant seems to be awake, and i expect good stuff from them. Hopefully, for Nokia's sake. The WP7 platform looks promising, whoever denies that is truly in denial.

Elop's only crime in MY eyes is that he refuses to push Meego development into full force. Jumping in bed with microsoft to me was understandable, but he has absolutely ZERO REASON TO NOT DO BOTH IN PARALLEL.

[danramos]

Good job on nullifying your first sentence.

I didn't nullify anything. I pointed out that Microsoft has had plenty of time and experience writing mobile operating systems. I merely made the distinction that you appear to want to pretend that Microsoft is new at this--and elaborated that even if that were the case, your argument is still difficult to accept. Methinks you are trying very hard to distract from the conversation. Do not pretend to be clever. You are not qualified.

By the end of its first year, Android had 6 handsets in the US across 2 carriers; WP7 has 7 handsets across 4 carriers. Not completely balanced but more than you allege it to be.

And, in its first year, Android was actually a new project from a new entrant, as I'd already pointed out. Not bad, considering Microsoft's head-start.

Actually, WP7 has very high levels of satisfaction amongst its users. Much like everyone else here, you are a victim of your own hyperbole.

Speaking of hyperbole and add some obfuscation, I didn't claim that most of the WP7 users didn't like WP7. I pointed out that they failed to win the handset market over the past 20 years, even to Palm. If WP7 gets high levels of satisfaction, it would be from the very few, remaining users that haven't gone off to get something else. If consumers were displeased, they are far more likely NOT to be "its users." Q.E.Duh :p

[Cue]

Personally, I feel as though somebody here is laying out the astroturf.

[catbus]

Personally, I feel as though somebody here is laying out the astroturf.

#define astroturf

[danramos]

#define astroturf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing

Astroturfing is a form of advocacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advocacy) often in support of a political (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics) or corporate agenda designed to give the appearance of a "grassroots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grassroots)" movement. The goal of such campaigns is to disguise the efforts of a political and/or (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And/or) commercial entity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_personality) as an independent public reaction to some political entity—a politician, political group, product, service or event. The term is a derivation of AstroTurf (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AstroTurf), a brand of synthetic carpeting designed to look like natural grass.

[keflex]

Yeah, you make some good points. They're tangental enough to the point that I've actually been making that I don't really feel like arguing them.

[catbus]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing

Astroturfing is a form of advocacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advocacy) often in support of a political (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics) or corporate agenda designed to give the appearance of a "grassroots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grassroots)" movement. The goal of such campaigns is to disguise the efforts of a political and/or (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And/or) commercial entity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_personality) as an independent public reaction to some political entity—a politician, political group, product, service or event. The term is a derivation of AstroTurf (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AstroTurf), a brand of synthetic carpeting designed to look like natural grass.

Should I change my nick to AstroTurf now? Or Astro, maybe that would be more sexy?

[hotnikkelz]

Should I change my nick to AstroTurf now? Or Astro, maybe that would be more sexy?

how about catAstroTurfybus :p

[marxian]

#define astroturf


#ifdef astroturf
ignoreUser()
#endif

[scapegoat845]

Expansys Update: France, Spain and USA......

http://mynokiablog.com/2011/08/13/nokia-n9-for-canada-at-expansys/

[gerbick]

Now... let's do everybody a favor. Let's don't preorder in high numbers, let's act more aloof about the Nokia N9.

I do not feel like paying a premium because Expansys thinks they can make a mint off of FOSS geeks.

[BigBadGuber!]

Why do we presuppose that N9 will be different from the rest of the buggy NOKIA phones? to judge by N900, N9 will be born with so many congenital anomalies, that no therapy will salvage it.

[gerbick]

Why do we presuppose that N9 will be different from the rest of the buggy NOKIA phones? to judge by N900, N9 will be born with so many congenital anomalies, that no therapy will salvage it.

Why do people predict that the Apple iPhone 5 will be different from the rest of their offerings... because it has a different back? Or perhaps a 4 inch screen?

I get it. You love what you love. Yet you're arguing with folks that love what they love. Makes absolutely zero sense.

In fact, you're doing and saying the same thing, expecting something different; yet you get the same results.

That's pretty much the classic definition of insanity...

[ysss]

There's so much mudslinging and backhanded comments/compliments in this thread that I think there's a hidden competition of some sort going on...

ps: image of the trophy at stake below

pps: for a bunch of trolls, you guys make great factual arguments! :D

http://www.decadeawards.com/assets/images/rf5011sg.jpg

[BigBadGuber!]

Why do people predict that the Apple iPhone 5 will be different from the rest of their offerings... because it has a different back? Or perhaps a 4 inch screen?

I get it. You love what you love. Yet you're arguing with folks that love what they love. Makes absolutely zero sense.

In fact, you're doing and saying the same thing, expecting something different; yet you get the same results.

That's pretty much the classic definition of insanity...

Because Apple did deliver, and has shown a progressive improvements to the point where ONE phone is selling as much as ALL of the NOKIA phones combined. Are you thick or what?

After buying exclusively NOKIA phones, I have to say that I saw the light. Resting on old laurels works for old farts. I bought a number of N900s, and despite so many congenital anomalies, I think its a special device. However, it doesnt do what normal phones do. Battery sucks, GPS sucks, telephony sucks. And why are you here anyways Mr. Android who doesnt even use N900?

[ysss]

@BigBadGuber: Interesting post. I always feel more intelligent after reading your thoughts and ideas.

[gerbick]

Because Apple did deliver, and has shown a progressive improvements to the point where ONE phone is selling as much as ALL of the NOKIA phones combined. Are you thick or what?

The original didn't really deliver. I didn't think Apple didn't really deliver until the iPhone 3GS.

After buying exclusively NOKIA phones, I have to say that I saw the light.

Now that wasn't rather smart.

Resting on old laurels works for old farts.

Funny you're saying that about the newest addition to Nokia's offerings - Maemo Harmattan.

I bought a number of N900s, and despite so many congenital anomalies, I think its a special device.

Bought one, used it, our office bought two more. None are left. Special, but not what I was looking for.

However, it doesnt do what normal phones do. Battery sucks, GPS sucks, telephony sucks.

So does the stock Galaxy S variants. Trim the init.d/startup items.

And why are you here anyways Mr. Android who doesnt even use N900?

Because I used to own and use a Nokia N900. Or that I've been here since I've owned a 770. Or that I was enthusiastic about the Nokia N810.

Now riddle me this... why the **** do you care? I've owned more iPhones than you. I've owned more Android devices than you. And yet... here I am. What's your next inquiry?

It seems as if you think you're entitled to an answer.

[BigBadGuber!]

The original didn't really deliver. I didn't think Apple didn't really deliver until the iPhone 3GS.



Now that wasn't rather smart.



Funny you're saying that about the newest addition to Nokia's offerings - Maemo Harmattan.



Bought one, used it, our office bought two more. None are left. Special, but not what I was looking for.



So does the stock Galaxy S variants. Trim the init.d/startup items.



Because I used to own and use a Nokia N900. Or that I've been here since I've owned a 770. Or that I was enthusiastic about the Nokia N810.

Now riddle me this... why the **** do you care? I've owned more iPhones than you. I've owned more Android devices than you. And yet... here I am. What's your next inquiry?

It seems as if you think you're entitled to an answer.

I will contest you on your ownerships bud. I have spent mightily on NOKIA, even tried N8 and E6. I bought 5 iphone 3gs that i distributed to family members and have bough 4 unlocked iphone 4s from Canada. If you want a worry free phone, ask Ysss, he owns one. iphone 4 delivers. Never owned Android and have no interest to do so.

The only reasonable person here is ericsson. He is the only one who gets it. NOKIA CAN NOT deliver complex software, period.

[chase15]

http://www.mobilecityonline.com/wireless/store/productdetail.asp?productid=28169

[don_falcone]

I will contest you on your ownerships bud. I have spent mightily on NOKIA, even tried N8 and E6. I bought 5 iphone 3gs that i distributed to family members and have bough 4 unlocked iphone 4s from Canada. If you want a worry free phone, ask Ysss, he owns one. iphone 4 delivers. Never owned Android and have no interest to do so.

The only reasonable person here is ericsson. He is the only one who gets it. NOKIA CAN NOT deliver complex software, period.

Meanwhile, somewhere on the web...

http://ano.lolcathost.org/thumbs//costanzaPopcorn.gif

[gerbick]

I will contest you on your ownerships bud. I have spent mightily on NOKIA

Good for you. Now what's killing me... I was able to walk away from Apple with a realistic outlook. You're walking towards Apple with a rather unrealistic outlook. It's not an end-all, be-all product. It needs you to buy into their iTunes based ecosystem to be halfway effective and useful.

I didn't buy anything Nokia until they became part of the community that I support, the open source community. They didn't "buy" into that. They supported it. And that community isn't based on the billions and billions of dollars that can be made. It's about fixing a problem, sharing the solution. That's why GitHub is great. People share code... give it away.

And then it's used by many. You get respect via merit. Not money. And to some, that's a killer concept. It's not competition. Everybody is fighting for the same crowd each year. Blackberry lost share, Samsung gained share. Nokia lost share, Apple gained share.

Very little growth in that competitive situation. But if you were to be more collaborative, then what? You all benefit. Even the people that leech off, never give back. One day, they might want to give back.

It's hard to grasp that when all you want to see and do is spread your distaste for all of those Nokia phones that you bought. That's your dumb decision to keep supporting them.

I bought the 8890, the 7190 (or 7160, starting to forget), and didn't buy into Nokia until the 770. Meanwhile, you kept buying their phones, absorbing their reticent, yet competitive economy based musings... and now you're shunning their attempt to be a company that went to the Linux Foundation. That tried to create a community that wasn't just about buy, buy, buy.

That's a quick, improperly stated look into what the open source community means to many folks.

Apple doesn't do that. They don't even give all of their Webkit code to that community.

even tried N8 and E6.

I didn't. How were they? I avoided Symbian completely.

I bought 5 iphone 3gs that i distributed to family members and have bough 4 unlocked iphone 4s from Canada.

Great. But how many were yours again? That's the important metric here.

If you want a worry free phone, ask Ysss, he owns one. iphone 4 delivers. Never owned Android and have no interest to do so.

We have 4 iPhone 4's in the office. They're not bad at all. Just not for me. I never said the iPhone was a bad platform. In fact, I've only stated that they didn't really deliver until the iPhone 3GS.

The iPhone 4 came at a time I started to decide to give back to the open source community. 15 years of being a leech, using Linux, never giving back. I switched. And haven't been more busy...

The only reasonable person here is ericsson. He is the only one who gets it. NOKIA CAN NOT deliver complex software, period.

Perhaps they cannot. That's why this community exists - or existed, I fear that the time is gonna be short.

I am not a person that will not say Nokia has not goofed up enough times to where I can't stand Nokia personally. They don't get it. Their culture is closed off. Nokia is so old and stodgy that I cannot help but wonder how they ever got the idea for Maemo. Who gave it to them?

And why didn't they do more with it?

Regardless, your constant whinging is nearly textbook insanity. Sure, you're unhappy. But have a point. Sure you hate Nokia... guess what? You're probably not alone in that regard. Sure you think the N9 won't be a blockbuster phone - I also agree in that regard too. It won't sell millions. It won't even be a blip on the radar in the next ten years - I just earlier couldn't remember which damn Nokia I used to have. In ten years, I'll forget about the N9.

But dude... make a damn point for once. Provisioning... that affected me. Sold the N900 for more than I paid for it. Horrible telephony? I pointed out that I couldn't even answer the damn thing without it "hanging"... got chased with torches, pitchforks.

Anyway, my lengthy rant/response is over. Make more sense in the future. You're not a dumb dude. Stop acting dumb.

[abill_uk]

@BigBadGuber: Interesting post. I always feel more intelligent after reading your thoughts and ideas.

Bollocks and you know it :p :p :p ;) :D

[BigBadGuber!]

Good for you. Now what's killing me... I was able to walk away from Apple with a realistic outlook. You're walking towards Apple with a rather unrealistic outlook. It's not an end-all, be-all product. It needs you to buy into their iTunes based ecosystem to be halfway effective and useful.

I didn't buy anything Nokia until they became part of the community that I support, the open source community. They didn't "buy" into that. They supported it. And that community isn't based on the billions and billions of dollars that can be made. It's about fixing a problem, sharing the solution. That's why GitHub is great. People share code... give it away.

And then it's used by many. You get respect via merit. Not money. And to some, that's a killer concept. It's not competition. Everybody is fighting for the same crowd each year. Blackberry lost share, Samsung gained share. Nokia lost share, Apple gained share.

Very little growth in that competitive situation. But if you were to be more collaborative, then what? You all benefit. Even the people that leech off, never give back. One day, they might want to give back.

It's hard to grasp that when all you want to see and do is spread your distaste for all of those Nokia phones that you bought. That's your dumb decision to keep supporting them.

I bought the 8890, the 7190 (or 7160, starting to forget), and didn't buy into Nokia until the 770. Meanwhile, you kept buying their phones, absorbing their reticent, yet competitive economy based musings... and now you're shunning their attempt to be a company that went to the Linux Foundation. That tried to create a community that wasn't just about buy, buy, buy.

That's a quick, improperly stated look into what the open source community means to many folks.

Apple doesn't do that. They don't even give all of their Webkit code to that community.



I didn't. How were they? I avoided Symbian completely.



Great. But how many were yours again? That's the important metric here.



We have 4 iPhone 4's in the office. They're not bad at all. Just not for me. I never said the iPhone was a bad platform. In fact, I've only stated that they didn't really deliver until the iPhone 3GS.

The iPhone 4 came at a time I started to decide to give back to the open source community. 15 years of being a leech, using Linux, never giving back. I switched. And haven't been more busy...



Perhaps they cannot. That's why this community exists - or existed, I fear that the time is gonna be short.

I am not a person that will not say Nokia has not goofed up enough times to where I can't stand Nokia personally. They don't get it. Their culture is closed off. Nokia is so old and stodgy that I cannot help but wonder how they ever got the idea for Maemo. Who gave it to them?

And why didn't they do more with it?

Regardless, your constant whinging is nearly textbook insanity. Sure, you're unhappy. But have a point. Sure you hate Nokia... guess what? You're probably not alone in that regard. Sure you think the N9 won't be a blockbuster phone - I also agree in that regard too. It won't sell millions. It won't even be a blip on the radar in the next ten years - I just earlier couldn't remember which damn Nokia I used to have. In ten years, I'll forget about the N9.

But dude... make a damn point for once. Provisioning... that affected me. Sold the N900 for more than I paid for it. Horrible telephony? I pointed out that I couldn't even answer the damn thing without it "hanging"... got chased with torches, pitchforks.

Anyway, my lengthy rant/response is over. Make more sense in the future. You're not a dumb dude. Stop acting dumb.

I dont hate NOKIA. As a matter of fact, I would love to support NOKIA. Competition is good, and I loved their phones. But they lack that umphaa that Americans love. That attention to the user, that anal worship of perfect. Lets admit it, they lacked it. And Americans love stuff that is idiot proof, and to make a device that is idiot proof requires a lot of effort and a lot of anality that NOKIA simply didnt have. Even their E71 bestseller didnt have an easy way to change font sizes!!!!! I mean how stupid is that? The search function was awful. Come on.

Stop judging who is dumb and who is smart. These forums are for free flowing opinions that will be subjected to ridicule, criticism and cudos. I could care less if people love or hate what I say. I am sharing one experience with these phones, and if it resonates with some, great, if not ignore it.

[abill_uk]

From what i have read on here, every N9 owner can look forward to endless support from this community, so who WHO needs Nokia? ;).

We have some of the world's greats on here including ysss ;) who will keep everything going just the way you want.

Anyhow let's concentrate on buying the device first, i can offer a meager few but who else is going to help out the members who want the N9? and at a fair dinkum price !.

[danramos]

Should I change my nick to AstroTurf now? Or Astro, maybe that would be more sexy?

Castroburf

Why do people predict that the Apple iPhone 5 will be different from the rest of their offerings... because it has a different back? Or perhaps a 4 inch screen?

I get it. You love what you love. Yet you're arguing with folks that love what they love. Makes absolutely zero sense.

In fact, you're doing and saying the same thing, expecting something different; yet you get the same results.

That's pretty much the classic definition of insanity...

Was that aimed at any ONE person in this place? ;)

From what i have read on here, every N9 owner can look forward to endless support from this community, so who WHO needs Nokia? ;).

We have some of the world's greats on here including ysss ;) who will keep everything going just the way you want.

Anyhow let's concentrate on buying the device first, i can offer a meager few but who else is going to help out the members who want the N9? and at a fair dinkum price !.

TOO RIGHT! You tell 'em! ...well, until Nokia pulls funding and denies your use of the Maemo trademarks and name and... well... so much for Maemo. Period. But RAAAA! There's MEEGO! ...until LinuxFoundation does something with THAT domain and trademark.. err... screw it! WHO NEEDS SUPPORT, AM I RIGHT? RIGHT??? Oh bother. :P

[gerbick]

Stop judging who is dumb and who is smart.

The irony is not lost on me... it really isn't.

[danramos]

The irony is not lost on me... it really isn't.

Stooooop... stop it. ;)

[jalyst]

Expansys Update: France, Spain and USA......

http://mynokiablog.com/2011/08/13/nokia-n9-for-canada-at-expansys/

Geez expansys is feeling like their retail distributor for the world.
Great for expansys (maybe), but I hope there's a truck load of other retail channels.

[unfuccwittable]

Why do we presuppose that N9 will be different from the rest of the buggy NOKIA phones? to judge by N900, N9 will be born with so many congenital anomalies, that no therapy will salvage it.

Quick question, what phone do you use?

I challenge you to read any tech blog's preview/review of any recently released, hell ANY Symbian phone. Do it. Read what they have to say. Read how they pan the software and say it's not ready for primetime.

Now read what those same blogs have to say about the N9. Engadget has never ever ever not even once said a kind word about any Nokia phone before the N9.

You speak of people making presuppositions, but turn and do the exact same yourself. The fact that sites like Engadget and Gizmodo have spoken so highly of the N9 and its software SPEAK VOLUMES about it in my mind.

The thing that kills me about your posts and criticisms is the fact that you ignore ANYTHING even slightly contrary to your view of the N9.

For example:
You: "I heard from two dudes (that used the phone for a grand total of 30 minutes combined) that the Virtual Keyboard is crappy"

Daperl (or somebody, I forget who): "Actually, I've been using an N950 as my main phone for about a month and the virtual keyboard isn't that bad"

You: "That's a different device, your opinion isn't valid"
Me: "^WTF, srsly?"

Not to mention, you completely ignored ALL of the glowing previews put out by the mainstream tech pundits. Sites that have extensive galleries and hands-on and videos that have spent real time with the device.

If you're going to be critical of something, at least base your criticisms in reality man. As it stands right now, you sound like somebody that is just angry that you've been buying crappy Symbian phones for years and finally got fed up. I too bought a bunch of Symbian garbage, but I just don't hold grudges like you I guess.

[ajalkane]

Is the VKB open-source? At worse, CAN you at least replace the VKB with a replacement? If SOME people like it, great--keep it. If not, can you at least get something you're far more comfortable with or replace the closed-source one with an open-source one that CAN be improved? I know that, at least on Android, there's a default keyboard but you can replace it easily... and many people really love Swype as their on-screen keyboard (myself included!). Can this also be done on the N9?


The VKB is open-source (Google Maliit if the details interest). And yes, it can be extended and replaced.

[danramos]

The VKB is open-source (Google Maliit if the details interest). And yes, it can be extended and replaced.

Excellent! No need to send it to me, since I won't be involved--but it sounds like lots of people are bellyaching about the VKB, so hopefully that means it'll be a minor problem (assuming open-source and no crippling effects of trying to fix it).

[somedude]

Excellent! No need to send it to me, since I won't be involved--but it sounds like lots of people are bellyaching about the VKB, so hopefully that means it'll be a minor problem (assuming open-source and no crippling effects of trying to fix it).

how is the open source vkb for n900 coming along
:D

[ericsson]

So this thread has turned into a discussion of why Symbian is being axed. Good, because Symbian is (gradually) being axed, so the discussion at least contains some underlying facts based on reality. Still, it is largely irrelevant wrt the N9, and pretty stupid since very few here actually has owned a Symbian^3 device.

My point however, is that unlike most of you, I actually have a fully working and operational glass ball. I already have proved that. I told you a month ago where WP-Nokia will be released and where the N9 will be released. I told you that even if the N9 will not "officially" be released where you live, you will still be able to get it, no problem at all. Everything I said has come true.

Some of you are suddenly hooked onto the notion that the N9 needs marketing to sell. That is partly true. The problem right now is that Nokias budgets are cut to the bone, and the only thing that will be marketed in a traditional sense is WP, sponsored entirely by Microsoft. But, Nokia foot soldiers are active like no time before at outlets and stores where the N9 is officially sold. Nokia is active on social media, having competitions and so on. Weekly prices are N9s.

As a digression, one of the most popular phones right now (of all phones) is the dirt cheap and simple, but extremely robust 3720 Classic. It is used as a second phone in addition to iPhone, Android or N8 (Symbian^3) etc. I guess few, if anyone of you nobrainers understands why, and understand the long term implications this has on the entire phone market.

The largest error you do, is that you (most of you) are fanboys to the core, and you project this fanboyism of yours to Nokia and Elop in particular (Elop = WP). Elop is not a fanboy of any sort, shape or form. He has one goal in mind, and that is to renew Nokia for the future. WP is a key part of that future, but the N9 and Harmattan is also a part, as well as S40 and Qt.

[danramos]

how is the open source vkb for n900 coming along
:D

I give up... how is it coming along?

[Chuck Norris]

I give up... how is it coming along?

It's not. But the keyboard on the N9 is so great that you will through your droid in the wall...

[danramos]

It's not. But the keyboard on the N9 is so great that you will through your droid in the wall...

Is grammar failure a special feature? :)

[abill_uk]

It's not. But the keyboard on the N9 is so great that you will through your droid in the wall...

Are you sure you gave yourself the right nick on here ?????.

Where you learn to spell ?.

[abill_uk]

The N9 no way needs any any marketing whatsoever because the whole world knows now this is the last non Windows device for some time and that is enough to sell it.

Everyone with anything to do with mobile phones knows about the N9 now.

[cesman]

Sigh.... The N9 might finally be here but it seems the closer it gets to an actual release date, the more we find out about more places where it won't be released.

[Chuck Norris]

Is grammar failure a special feature? :)

The failure is becouse I don't have the new n9 keyboard in my hands. Feel free to correct me :)

[Chuck Norris]

Are you sure you gave yourself the right nick on here ?????.

Where you learn to spell ?.

Are you sure you are in the right forum?

why are you here?

[danramos]

The failure is becouse I don't have the new n9 keyboard in my hands. Feel free to correct me :)

Because...?

[abill_uk]

Sigh.... The N9 might finally be here but it seems the closer it gets to an actual release date, the more we find out about more places where it won't be released.

And i do not think anyone knows how many will actually be produced, i think mainly the Asian countries will be getting this device so better to start the ball rolling now as i have done to aquire the N9.

If the figues mentioned 92,000 units are anything like true then there is going to be one hell of a scramble to actually purchase the N9.

[Chuck Norris]

Because...?

thanks. you make sure this thread is off topic.

[abill_uk]

Are you sure you are in the right forum?

why are you here?

Not the same reasons as you obviously ;).

N9 KB huh.... you mean the virtual one yes?.

[Chuck Norris]

I'm not here to learn spelling or grammar. I'm here to talk about the mighty N9. But you to seems to be here just because you don't have anything better to do, like point out grammar and spelling errors. :D

keep up the language class

[danramos]

I'm not here to learn spelling or grammar. I'm here to talk about the mighty N9. But you to seems to be here just because you don't have anything better to to, like point out grammar and spelling errors. :D

Not really, it's just that.. wellllllll.... you see that counter up there? Yeah, we're REALLY close to 4000. ;) Or didn't you notice? Also, the topic is rediculous. The N9 is a MYTH! A spectre! It doesn't exist... at least, not yet. It's certainly not "here." So... here we are... another step. Meanwhile, we watch and marvel at your incredible misspellings and missteps. It's amusing. :)

[abill_uk]

I'm not here to learn spelling or grammar. I'm here to talk about the mighty N9. But you to seems to be here just because you don't have anything better to to, like point out grammar and spelling errors. :D

Yes but if you want to be heard properly and understood WITHOUT making yourself look silly then at least try a little to make sure your even using the right words old boy, that is even before your spelling, and i still want to know what you mean about this N9 KEYBOARD ?.

[erendorn]

I'm going to walk away from this nonsense, sane people looking at that graph can form their own opinion on market trends and you can go back and read the posts if you like. I made little to no assumptions. I actually followed your daft logic throughout, which you applied to things only when it twisted some other daft statement of yours in your favour but decided to ignore it when you saw fit. I misinterpreted nothing because I actually was discussing your rebuttal to my own comment. go back and read it if your memory also fails you. Good day and goodbye.

Please note one thing.
WP 6.5 and WP 7 possibly don't share a single line of code.
They are totally different OS. (it's not only an UI revamp, even if the UI are on different planets).
It doesn't make any sense to look at their aggregated market share.

What happens when looking at separate numbers (http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone-7-crosses-2-market-share-in-usa-has-7-of-german-market/)?
- 6.5 is free falling like Symbian.
- WP7 got from zero to 2% market share in one year. Indeed, this is comparable to Android's beginning.

[danramos]

Also, I was genuinely curious about whether the N9 keyboard was open-sourced and/or replaceable. That's kind of important to some folks, from the sound of the grumblings. :)

[Chuck Norris]

Not really, it's just that.. wellllllll.... you see that counter up there? Yeah, we're REALLY close to 4000. ;) Or didn't you notice? Also, the topic is rediculous. The N9 is a MYTH! A spectre! It doesn't exist... at least, not yet. It's certainly not "here." So... here we are... another step. Meanwhile, we watch and marvel at your incredible misspellings and missteps. It's amusing. :)

Wee, If that is what you feel, I suggest that you leave this thread ASAP.

EDIT: After 4000 that is.

Yes but if you want to be heard properly and understood WITHOUT making yourself look silly then at least try a little to make sure your even using the right words old boy, that is even before your spelling, and i still want to know what you mean about this N9 KEYBOARD ?.

If you think I look silly because I don't use the right words here and there, It's fine by me. It' might not be my first or second language. however, I feel sad for you every time you post here, you are so lost.

[abill_uk]

Wee, If that is what you feel, I suggest that you leave this thread ASAP.

EDIT: After 4000 that is.



If you think I look silly because I don't use the right words here and there, It's fine by me. It' might not be my first or second language. however, I feel sad for you every time you post here, you are so lost.

The problem is you have picked a high profile nick name and your words do not match which in turn is making you look silly ;)

[Chuck Norris]

The problem is you have picked a high profile nick name and your words do not match which in turn is making you look silly ;)

Well, You should see my fighting skills!

[danramos]

Please note one thing.
WP 6.5 and WP 7 possibly don't share a single line of code.
They are totally different OS. (it's not only an UI revamp, even if the UI are on different planets).
It doesn't make any sense to look at their aggregated market share.

What happens when looking at separate numbers (http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone-7-crosses-2-market-share-in-usa-has-7-of-german-market/)?
- 6.5 is free falling like Symbian.
- WP7 got from zero to 2% market share in one year. Indeed, this is comparable to Android's beginning.

Except, as noted earlier, Microsoft's had the benefit of 6.5 major revisions of experience in writing a mobile OS before Android even had a 1.0. :rolleyes: You would think they would have done and gotten far better by then, no? Also, as I understood it, there was re-used code from Windows Mobile 6.x, too.. (Windows Phone 7 runs an updated kernel based on Windows CE 6 R3 and Windows CE 7 (http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2009/08/03/windows-mobile-7-test-certification-document-leaked/), see also this (http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010/06/01/windows-embedded-compact-7-windows-ce-7-is-officially-unveiled-ctp-available-for-download/)) ...so there are some shortcuts there. For an established developer with every advantage, they didn't do so well compared to the relative newcomer, Android.

Also found this, btw:

Windows Embedded CE 6.0 R3 was finalized in September 2009 for OEMs and serves as the base platform for the Zune HD and Windows Phone 7.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Embedded_CE_6.0#New_Features_in_R3

...Microsoft's official response on the matter is a little less clear. Basically, they're saying that Windows Phone 7 was built on the latest release of CE 6 (R3, in case you're curious), but that they took it further and "incorporated innovative features and functionality on top of the platform."
Source: http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/04/windows-phone-7-based-on-a-hybrid-windows-ce-6-compact-7-kerne/

[stickymick]

Sorry for posting on topic here.
But I'm just catching up after a disastrous house move and a loss of a decent internet connection as a result. :mad:

But I have to say, even if it is so far into the thread, that the title of the thread is sooooooo far from the truth that it needs changing, seriously.

Refering to this blog post as linked from the news blog here: http://utestme.com/nokia-n9-deeper-cuts/.
I was rediculed by some members for my beliefs and postings in the MS/Nokia/WP7/MeeGo turn of events, and not just on TMO either.

My belief has always been that MeeGo is a failure under Nokia, simply because MS will not allow it to succeed.
Give it 12 months and Symbian will go to make room for a cheaper seriously cut down version of WP7.

[erendorn]

Except, as noted earlier, Microsoft's had the benefit of 6.5 major revisions of experience in writing a mobile OS before Android even had a 1.0. :rolleyes: You would think they would have done and gotten far better by then, no? Also, as I understood it, there was re-used code from Windows Mobile 6.x, too.. (Windows Phone 7 runs an updated kernel based on Windows CE 6 R3 and Windows CE 7 (http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2009/08/03/windows-mobile-7-test-certification-document-leaked/), see also this (http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010/06/01/windows-embedded-compact-7-windows-ce-7-is-officially-unveiled-ctp-available-for-download/)) ...so there are some shortcuts there. For an established developer with every advantage, they didn't do so well compared to the relative newcomer, Android.

Agreed on all that. Yet I think it took google 4 years to have android production ready, 5 years for nokia and harmattan (let's say it's production ready ;) ), both based on existing kernels. It also probably took nokia 3 or 4 years to realize symbian wouldn't cut it and look for other solutions.
Microsoft is a more experienced (but not more agile) developer, so I think a 3 to 6 year transition between "my product sucks and the competition is making advance" to "My new product is ready has potential" is somehow expected/standard, though not great.

Point is, WP7 has potential, and it's unfair to say it's market share is dropping or too low.

[danramos]

Agreed on all that. Yet I think it took google 4 years to have android production ready, 5 years for nokia and harmattan (let's say it's production ready ;) ), both based on existing kernels. It also probably took nokia 3 or 4 years to realize symbian wouldn't cut it and look for other solutions.
Microsoft is a more experienced (but not more agile) developer, so I think a 3 to 6 year transition between "my product sucks and the competition is making advance" to "My new product is ready has potential" is somehow expected/standard, though not great.

Point is, WP7 has potential, and it's unfair to say it's market share is dropping or too low.

Microsoft had DECADES to make a good mobile OS, not 3-6 years. They completely failed to compete against even Palm, who themselves were eventually ruined by Apple, and arguably maybe Android, as well. Microsoft hasn't the track record to show they can help Nokia out of said craptastic hole that Nokia was and is in. If it had potential, it's already ruined it just on the unmarketable ruined brand alone, much less their record for making a product people wanted. Cripes! Many people said they loved Zune too--that didn't help it at all. That was potentially successful too, but not realized success, no.

[Chuck Norris]

Sorry for posting on topic here.
But I'm just catching up after a disastrous house move and a loss of a decent internet connection as a result. :mad:

But I have to say, even if it is so far into the thread, that the title of the thread is sooooooo far from the truth that it needs changing, seriously.

Refering to this blog post as linked from the news blog here: http://utestme.com/nokia-n9-deeper-cuts/.
I was rediculed by some members for my beliefs and postings in the MS/Nokia/WP7/MeeGo turn of events, and not just on TMO either.

My belief has always been that MeeGo is a failure under Nokia, simply because MS will not allow it to succeed.
Give it 12 months and Symbian will go to make room for a cheaper seriously cut down version of WP7.

you are right, It might be a failure(no ecosystem at least), but I will be a fun year with the phone before you change to something else. So buy it and have fun instead of that Same old same old OS.

[erendorn]

Microsoft had DECADES to make a good mobile OS, not 3-6 years. They completely failed to compete against even Palm, who themselves were eventually ruined by Apple, and arguably maybe Android, as well. Microsoft hasn't the track record to show they can help Nokia out of said craptastic hole that Nokia was and is in. If it had potential, it's already ruined it just on the unmarketable ruined brand alone, much less their record for making a product people wanted. Cripes! Many people said they loved Zune too--that didn't help it at all. That was potentially successful too, but not realized success, no.

Oh yes, microsoft is an utter failure in the mobile space. I'm really just considering the WinMo > WP7 transistion, based on the hypothesis that given sufficient pressure, a corporate may change. Linear extrapolation disagrees obviously :)

Regarding the brand, I doubt that so many smartphones users have any idea that WinMo ever existed, but as often, this might be market/country dependant.

[danramos]

Bam! HAPPY 4000th POST!!! ;)
http://redriverpak.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/4000n.jpg

[Chuck Norris]

thx, Mr 4000.

[danramos]

thx, Mr 4000.

And so it came to pass. CHUCK NORRIS roundhouse's out a 4000th post! :) Congrats!

[mikecomputing]

5998 posts left in this thread until N9 is released in sweden...

[mikecomputing]

No, that's the reason Symbian failed in the past. The reason it is still failing is because of the aged UI design and the "underpowering" of flagship devices (we all know this is because Symbian doesn't need a particularly speedy CPU to perform well, but the general public don't).

The board didn't "panic", they responded to a quick drop in marketshare in Q4 2010 that looked like it had no sign of stopping. They took stock of all their options and WP7 is where they arrived. You have no insight into their decision-making process and neither do I, so we can't say HOW they came to this conclusion. However I'm willing to bet they didn't just go Leon on the situation

WAKE UP

TIME TO DIE

Seriously, most people in the world have more common sense than you do. You should probably try and remember that.

The UI has been rewritten latest release of Symbian and still improves. However Elop is the one helping killing Symbian future. And u naive enoughgt think Elop is "the good guy for Nokia". I doubt...

I give up this is just plain stupid discussion. You actually has been brainwatched by Elops lies about "burning platforms".

[mikecomputing]

I think that N9 is a buggy device and cant compete in the good old USA market

So you have one :O

Dont forget send bugreports about the issues u seems to have:

http://developer.nokia.com/bugs

[abill_uk]

The UI has been rewritten latest release of Symbian and still improves. However Elop is the one helping killing Symbian future. And u naive enoughgt think Elop is "the good guy for Nokia". I doubt...

I give up this is just plain stupid discussion. You actually has been brainwatched by Elops lies about "burning platforms".

I just love this hahahaha it is sooo true of many on here hahahahahaha.:D

[mikecomputing]

It's not political. It's simply a matter of economics. Why waste money on a lose-lose proposition to end up sitting on a dead-end, unwarrantied, unsupported NEW product?




This MAY depend on country people here seems to forget that Nokia is GLOBAL. It may very well be supported in small countrys like norteuropean. And also Austria/INdia seems to be N9 country?

Nokia sweden seems to marketing it very well already and many carriers will sell it here.

Sometimes I think Nokia "northeuropean" is not the same company as global Nokia who seems to fail escpecially in US as already stated...


Btw... about the VKB in harmattan it is using Maliit(openSource):

http://wiki.maliit.org/Main_Page

[Lindegaard]

The N9 no way needs any any marketing whatsoever because the whole world knows now this is the last non Windows device for some time and that is enough to sell it.

Everyone with anything to do with mobile phones knows about the N9 now.

you'd be surprised how stupid carrier employees can be. Without marketing there will undoubtly be quite a few employees who will think Meego is a new Symbian update (it shares the same icons) - maybe the codename for Belle or whatever.

[Lindegaard]

Not really, it's just that.. wellllllll.... you see that counter up there? Yeah, we're REALLY close to 4000. ;) Or didn't you notice? Also, the topic is rediculous. The N9 is a MYTH! A spectre! It doesn't exist... at least, not yet. It's certainly not "here." So... here we are... another step. Meanwhile, we watch and marvel at your incredible misspellings and missteps. It's amusing. :)

It's sad you don't get the N9 in US and UK, but many other places are getting it and I for one will be albe to buy it via a carrier so this thread is not a complete waste of time;)

(well, not yet)

[BigBadGuber!]

Quick question, what phone do you use?

I challenge you to read any tech blog's preview/review of any recently released, hell ANY Symbian phone. Do it. Read what they have to say. Read how they pan the software and say it's not ready for primetime.

Now read what those same blogs have to say about the N9. Engadget has never ever ever not even once said a kind word about any Nokia phone before the N9.

You speak of people making presuppositions, but turn and do the exact same yourself. The fact that sites like Engadget and Gizmodo have spoken so highly of the N9 and its software SPEAK VOLUMES about it in my mind.

The thing that kills me about your posts and criticisms is the fact that you ignore ANYTHING even slightly contrary to your view of the N9.

For example:
You: "I heard from two dudes (that used the phone for a grand total of 30 minutes combined) that the Virtual Keyboard is crappy"

Daperl (or somebody, I forget who): "Actually, I've been using an N950 as my main phone for about a month and the virtual keyboard isn't that bad"

You: "That's a different device, your opinion isn't valid"
Me: "^WTF, srsly?"

Not to mention, you completely ignored ALL of the glowing previews put out by the mainstream tech pundits. Sites that have extensive galleries and hands-on and videos that have spent real time with the device.

If you're going to be critical of something, at least base your criticisms in reality man. As it stands right now, you sound like somebody that is just angry that you've been buying crappy Symbian phones for years and finally got fed up. I too bought a bunch of Symbian garbage, but I just don't hold grudges like you I guess.

Lets wait and see. Everybody was glowing about N900, and it turned to be a special yet highly unfinished product. All the reviews are cool and optimistic about N9. We have to see the final product, but given NOKIAs reputation lately, I will not be pre-ordering this device until user reviews pour in. I think that the phone will turn out to have a large share of bugs and that is why it is not suitable for all markets

[abill_uk]

you'd be surprised how stupid carrier employees can be. Without marketing there will undoubtly be quite a few employees who will think Meego is a new Symbian update (it shares the same icons) - maybe the codename for Belle or whatever.

Yes i very very know how thick and dumb some of these Nokia and other shop employee's are as i have had to deal with the idiots most of my life hahaha.

But the N9 right now is a mere myth to some people and untill it actually hits the streets they will not know or understand what MeeGo is let alone Maemo ;).

I honestly think that IF the UI is as good as it looks on all the vids i have seen then this N9 is going to take the world by storm.

As long as it comes with at least basic functions and able to make calls AND sms AND mms and can handle email, skype msn and other chat, is capable of networking and internet connection with good browsing then for sure it will take off like a rocket UNLIKE the N900 did.

The N900 was Nokia's BIGGEST disaster and i feel the N9 will be a far cry from the N900, all we have to await is the release to the general public and then the storm will start in my opinion.

The brainwashing going on on this thread is unreal i tell you.

[Lindegaard]

The UI has been rewritten latest release of Symbian and still improves. However Elop is the one helping killing Symbian future. And u naive enoughgt think Elop is "the good guy for Nokia". I doubt...

I give up this is just plain stupid discussion. You actually has been brainwatched by Elops lies about "burning platforms".

I agree that Symbian is getting better and better, however it was laggy and from time to time annoying in the beginning and that is the impression have of symbian - it doesn't matter that with Anna or Belle it will get better - Symbian was a burning platform becuase it didn't sell.
Meego wasn't (isn't?) complete, furthermore Meego uses the same apps as Symbian, and the app store just it's as large as android and iOS's (even though a lot of the apps are rubbish). The Ovi store lacks some certain app often for local companies, games or whatever.

However, as a Dane and you being Swedish we couldn't care less because we still wil be able to buy it via a carrier (which I probably will take advantage of).

[tissot]

N9 will be a far cry from the N900, all we have to await is the release to the general public and then the storm will start in my.

You don't actually believe that, right? Because nobody in gneral public will even remember N9 after 2 months, if they have ever even heard about it.
I'm waiting N9 eagerly but i don't even a sec believe N9 will sell anything.

[abill_uk]

You don't actually believe that, right? Because nobody in gneral public will even remember N9 after 2 months, if they have ever even heard about it.
I'm waiting N9 eagerly but i don't even a sec believe N9 will sell anything.

The N900 was a complete ballsup from start to finish and if not for this community would have never got far.

IF the N9 has the basic functionality people relate too then for sure it will take off regardless of hype.

[abill_uk]

What IS unsure is WP anything because that sure as hell is going to be different, let's just hope it does not knock out the N9 !.

[BigBadGuber!]

Worldwide trends dont give it a chance:

http://www.google.com/trends?q=nokia+n9%2C+iphone+5

[mikecomputing]

Nokia N9 vs WP7:

http://www.google.com/trends?q=nokia+n9%2C+nokia+wp7&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

Nokia Meego vs WP7:

http://www.google.com/trends?q=nokia+meego%2C+nokia+wp7&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

Nokia N9 vs Sea Ray

http://www.google.com/trends?q=nokia+meego%2C+nokia+sea+ray&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0


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