N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!

[jalyst]

coz the 64gb only comes in black

so for those who are wanting the cyan or magenta have to stick with the 16gb

so lame

I've seen conflicting info. about that though.
I don't think we'll all know for sure...
Until some time after it begins selling in volume around the world.

[jalyst]

first N9 billboard appears in Kazakhstan.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/16/nokias-n9-coming-to-kazakhstan-on-september-9th-gets-its-own-b/

Trust engadget to point out only the farcical side of the roll-out.
They love focusing on every single negative aspect of Nok/MeeGo.
With the exception of their praise, after their brief N9 hands-on.

[danramos]

Google will protect the "Android platform" allright. But how exactly? How is Motorola IP going to protect the OS without also protecting a device that the OS runs on?

Android is out of control right now. ZTE and Huawei plan their own android markets, their own ecosystems, even their own versions of the OS, and there is nothing Google can do to prevent it. With Motorola IP and production facilities they can create their own. There is no other way they can protect their interests.

Isn't that the whole point? Protecting the hardware? So far, Microsoft and Apple are suing HARDWARE manufacturers, instead of suing Google directly. So, by BEING a hardware manufacturer now--one which Microsoft has already started sabre-rattling and threatening already, Google can finally have its opportunity to protect the platform properly.

Also, I do believe that that is the INTENTION--for manufacturers to go off and spin off their own Android variations. Honeycomb was the weird exception to that philosophy (until Ice Cream combines it all together again).

[jalyst]

You think that you are offended? No way I'm offending anyone you know.:);)
And I didn't say you are proving something,no.I was proving that MeeGo > WP.

Um, not quite sure what you're saying here.
Lost in translation :D

As for the current versions, they are all the same(In performance hardware and etc.) In the upcoming releases, the hardware will be a little more powerful, or better we say, will be as powerful as the Xperia Play does.And maybe a little more powerful than the N9, but it depends.
For the current hardware, have a look at the samsung focus (http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/22/samsung-focus-review/), and its specifications (http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_focus-3453.php). For its performance, I have searched the internet but no luck.
EDIT:Yes, I'm recommending the focus as a good WP7 device.

Thanks, I'll look into those two models....
They sound like they'd be ideal candidates to compare to the N9!
Can anyone else recommend a WP, that's roughly similar to the N9 'hardware-wise'?
Aside from Searay, I srsly doubt it'll be available before Dec (if not later).

[jalyst]

http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/08/15/google-motorola-deal-could-prove-to-be-massive-catalyst-for-the-windows-phone-ecosystem/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/15/editorial-engadget-on-googles-motorola-mobility-acquisition/

Pretty nice SGSII alternative... better all-up IYO?
http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/15/motorola-photon-4g-review/

[hotnikkelz]

Thanks, I'll look into those two models....
They sound like they'd be ideal candidates to compare to the N9!
Can anyone else recommend a WP, that's roughly similar to the N9 'hardware-wise'?
Aside from Searay, I srsly doubt it'll be available before Dec (if not later).

The Samsung Omnia 7 is the best windows phone out there, buuuuut not good hardware wise like the n9. You should wait for 2nd gen windows phones if at all.

@danramos
Although apple and microsoft are suing the hardware manufacturers, it's really the software that they are after however they CAN'T sue google directly. I'm not clear on how this works, but because Android is open sourced and is freely distributed and not really used (by them), they are not liable at all to lawsuits regarding the OS. The OEMs instead have to take that liability. Microsoft hopes to 'bully' them into considering windows phone as the other option rather than pay patent licensing using 'free' Android

[danramos]

Google will protect the "Android platform" allright. But how exactly? How is Motorola IP going to protect the OS without also protecting a device that the OS runs on?

Android is out of control right now. ZTE and Huawei plan their own android markets, their own ecosystems, even their own versions of the OS, and there is nothing Google can do to prevent it. With Motorola IP and production facilities they can create their own. There is no other way they can protect their interests.

Here's a GREAT article about this... written by a self-described Apple enthusiast, no less...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/defending-android/2011/08/16/gIQAufOXIJ_story.html

It seems to skirt a lot of the theories and questions we're all mulling about the deal. It EVEN mentions the idea of whether carriers might consider the Windows Mobile platform... but mainly, it's pretty heavy on the idea that this was CLEARLY about the patents (about 20,000 patents now! ...that's more than Microsoft has!) but he does say that it might also be about shaking a stick at competitors--to insist on better build quality and more frequent updates, etc. As a consumer, I WHOLLY welcome that, if that's the case. I love Samsung's hardware, but goddamit if I just f***ing HATE their unbelievably poor turn-around on updates. Motorola has been surprisingly good about updates, though--so this is just perfect already.

[danramos]

Although apple and microsoft are suing the hardware manufacturers, it's really the software that they are after however they CAN'T sue google directly. I'm not clear on how this works, but because Android is open sourced and is freely distributed and not really used (by them), they are not liable at all to lawsuits regarding the OS. The OEMs instead have to take that liability. Microsoft hopes to 'bully' them into considering windows phone as the other option rather than pay patent licensing using 'free' Android

Precisely... and now, Google is a hardware manufacturer as well. This fits into what I'd said earlier. Let the games... begin.

[jalyst]

Wow, this is really kinda impressive....
http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/16/xiaomi-m1-with-miui-os-a-310-phone-with-1-5ghz-dual-core-soc-a
Are we about to see the rise of mainland china (PRC) handset makers soon?
I'm not aware of a single one... HTC's Taiwanese isn't it?
(with of course, much of it's manufacturing base in China)

[Chuck Norris]

I dont get why they didnt bought Nokia. Cheaper?, vighet marketshare, more patents, plus that would kill win7 for sure.

[marxian]

Trust engadget to point out only the farcical side of the roll-out.
They love focusing on every single negative aspect of Nok/MeeGo.
With the exception of their praise, after their brief N9 hands-on.

Let's face it, it's all been downhill for the N9 since the initial announcement, what with the top brass at Nokia seemingly doing all they can to undermine the device before it's even released. Even I'm not planning to buy one, and I'm spending all my spare time developing for the damn thing. They may as well ship it in a coffin, and be done with it. :/

[slender]

/off-topic but related to N9

One thing baffles me.

I got N900 on 2009 Christmas and one of the first things what I loved was ability to get cursor hand in Microb if you swipe off-screen to on-screen from lower left side/corner. Also ability to get history view if you swipe from right off-screen to on-screen btw. I voted bugzilla entry that suggested Nokia to give us option to change it to simply back button functionality :|.

Of course I thought that there will be all kinds of apps that use this kind functionality of user interaction from off to on-screen. Stupid me :) So is this functionality hard-coded inside Microb or what is going on? Now people are talking about how N9 has new kind of usability approach and I´m just thinking that WTF, that should have been possible with N900 couple of years ago.

[ericsson]

Isn't that the whole point? Protecting the hardware? So far, Microsoft and Apple are suing HARDWARE manufacturers, instead of suing Google directly. So, by BEING a hardware manufacturer now--one which Microsoft has already started sabre-rattling and threatening already, Google can finally have its opportunity to protect the platform properly.

Also, I do believe that that is the INTENTION--for manufacturers to go off and spin off their own Android variations. Honeycomb was the weird exception to that philosophy (until Ice Cream combines it all together again).


We have to wait and see. I'm not too optimistic, there sure will be some strings attached to any "protection" offered by Google.

[zfarooq]

I dont get why they didnt bought Nokia. Cheaper?, vighet marketshare, more patents, plus that would kill win7 for sure.

Nokia has $5-6 Billion cash to begin with...the value of its patents coupled with their dumbphone market + smartphone is huge.

[rentze]

Orange Switzerland has removed the launch date (was September 15):
http://shop.orange.ch/en/invt/10060090/?log=4

[blipnl]

It's effing drives me crazy. God damn, Nokia, just release this phone!

Now is not the time to act selfish. They will release it when it's ready. ;)

[catbus]

Now is not the time to act selfish. They will release it when it's ready. ;)

If M$ eats Nokia (like G did for M) they may cancel this jewel... :(

[Chuck Norris]

Nokia has $5-6 Billion cash to begin with...the value of its patents coupled with their dumbphone market + smartphone is huge.

Still much better.

[hotnikkelz]

Nokia will not be sold, people don't realize the sheer size of Nokia. It is HUGE and it's patent portfolio is RIDICULOUS, and i do mean absolutely ridiculous. The smartphone division is just one entity, and it's the one that Nokia is getting most flak for. Nokia will be finnish forever.
I mean there's navteq, the s40 division, dumbphones, nokia-siemens, there's the trolltech qt that they acquired, and the list goes on and on.

[jalyst]

the WP community is watching us and laughing :)
http://www.wpsauce.com/2011/08/stephen-elop-responds-to-user-criticism.html

[marxian]

the WP community

I believe this is where they hold their meetings:

http://www.english-blogs.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/1_red-phone-box.jpg

:p

[ysss]

I believe this is where they hold their meetings:


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_n4Fsev7O4eQ/SNXJT5J4_uI/AAAAAAAACFA/SJN34S138Zw/s400/Superboy.jpg

I'd be careful if I were you

[mikecomputing]

Nokia N9 is dead long live WP7 so ****ing awesome and also fully closed source YEEEEEEEEHA!!!

[marxian]

I'd be careful if I were you

I doubt Superman would risk getting changed in one of the old red phoneboxes. At best, he'd come out smelling of p!ss, and at worst he'd get HIV after accidentally stabbing himself with a used needle.

[jalyst]

Random readings….

http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/16/nokia-chimes-in-on-googles-moto-deal-reaffirms-its-dedication/

Is this a gimmick or do you reckon it's a good concept?
http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/08/16/extend-your-reach-with-nfchub/

http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/08/16/musikloud-soundcloud-client-for-the-nokia-n9-video/

So much for no ecosystem Mr Elop, still tiny yes, but the framework was there to go hard, rather than go home.
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/08/16/ovi-store-passes-9-million-downloads-a-day/
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/08/16/over-9-million-daily-downloads-on-ovi-store-approx-3-29byear-rate/

[catbus]

Will there be a decent irc-client for N9?

So far i have been using Mirggi with my E71.

--
"38 days and nights..."

[danramos]

We have to wait and see. I'm not too optimistic, there sure will be some strings attached to any "protection" offered by Google.

Although I don't generally share your pessimism over Google's intentions with the acquisition of Motorola, I can completely understand it. Ultimately, and we agree here too, we'll have to wait and see what Google does with what they've bought to get any idea of what's going to happen as a result of these revelations.

[Kozzi]

Will there be a decent irc-client for N9?

So far i have been using Mirggi with my E71.

--
"38 days and nights..."

N9 webbrowser supports javascript, perhaps it can use those web irc clients ?

[abill_uk]

the WP community is watching us and laughing :)
http://www.wpsauce.com/2011/08/stephen-elop-responds-to-user-criticism.html

Yes and good old texrat made a good point too !.

[mece]

Will there be a decent irc-client for N9?

So far i have been using Mirggi with my E71.

--
"38 days and nights..."

Yes.
http://wiki.meego.com/User:Venemo/IRC_Chatter#Releases

[Kjow]

Nokia's N9 coming to Kazakhstan on September 9th, Elop will advertise it personally:

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/5955/n9tokazlq.jpg (http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/821/n9tokazhq.jpg)

:p

[danramos]

Nokia's N9 coming to Kazakhstan on September 9th, Elop will advertise it personally:

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/5955/n9tokazlq.jpg (http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/821/n9tokazhq.jpg)

:p

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc177/Nate_Dono/Borat-VeryNice.jpg

[Kjow]

Somebody needs to develop the sense of humour.

You're (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borat) right (http://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&hl=en&source=hp&biw=1920&bih=1135&q=borat&gbv=2&oq=borat&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=2154l3121l0l3361l5l5l0l0l0l0l289l679l1.2.1l 4l0#hl=en&gbv=2&tbm=isch&q=borat+movie&revid=1569181814&sa=X&ei=mpVLTu3IMIOLswbqp9idBw&ved=0CDoQ1QIoAA&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=8f7b5f8bc5f40d21&biw=1920&bih=1135)! :)

[mikecomputing]

Will there be a decent irc-client for N9?

So far i have been using Mirggi with my E71.

--
"38 days and nights..."

I did have an idea write one using telepathy-idle but lack of example code got me nowhere near an alpha. but hnopefully some will doit :)

[Kjow]

I've watched Borat on fast forward. Still I persist.

It's not borat-kazakhstan sarcastic pic, but elop-oriented. ;)
Anyway, I have no problems; I'm sorry if I hurt you. :)

[catbus]

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75726

Ecosystem is growing...


...but where is the N9?
...
...
The N9 is on the moon...

[mikecomputing]

got pissed today when reading mobil.se, it seems Nokia will actually release WP phone before n9 realese :mad:

NokiaFAIL

[marxian]

got pissed today when reading mobil.se, it seems Nokia will actually release WP phone before n9 realese :mad:

NokiaFAIL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bNE-5TVAmg

:D

[catbus]

got pissed today when reading mobil.se, it seems nokia will actually release wp phone before n9 realese :mad:

Nokiafail

wtf? (123456789)

[jalyst]

Hmm, this is the quietest this thread's been... a little too quiet... :)
I'm kinda relieved actually, less noise & more on-topic, 'fingers crossed' :)

But to continue the off-topic precedent a bit longer, random readings:
http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2011/08/users-treat-criticism-of-favorite-brands-as-threat-to-self-image.ars

[jalyst]

got pissed today when reading mobil.se, it seems Nokia will actually release WP phone before n9 realese :mad:

NokiaFAIL

Wait what!? Get outta here.
We want 100% proof!

If true, it's pretty hard to argue anymore...
That Elop's not actively trying to sabotage MeeGo/N9.

[Mandibela]

<OT> Seems Sea Ray has a name: Nokia 800.

[mikecomputing]

Wait what!? Get outta here.
We want 100% proof!

If true, there's no way anyone can argue anymore...
That Elop's not actively trying to sabotage MeeGo/N9's chances.

Forgot to say it rumors so cant say if its true...

and dont know mobil.se sources I guess some internet media. engadget or similar..

[jalyst]

Well this is a nice positive one...
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/08/17/nokia-contracts-polar-to-develop-300-apps-for-meego-wp-and-symbian/
So much for Elop being determined to totally abandon MeeGo after it's out.

[crisscross]

Wait what!? Get outta here.
We want 100% proof!

If true, it's pretty hard to argue anymore...
That Elop's not actively trying to sabotage MeeGo/N9.
They are just reporting this:
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/08/14/2m-nokia-windows-phone-shipments-from-compal-to-begin-september/

[jalyst]

Oh that's an old article....
I don't think that means it'll be buy-able in Sept.
It just means that compal would've finished their assembly in Sept.
I think they're still aiming for October sometime at best.
I don't think that's what mike was basing his claim on, was it mike?

[crisscross]

Oh that's an old article....
I don't think that means it'll be buy-able in Sept.
It just means that compal would've finished their assembly in Sept.
I think they're still aiming for October sometime at best.
I don't think that's what mike was basing his claim on.

Well its the only article on mobil.se from the last couple of days that claims anything like it. Its almost exacty the same as the mynokiablog article but they twisted the headline some: "Windows mobile from Nokia in september"

Edit: Google translate of article:
Ordered by subcontractor
"Windows Mobile from Nokia in September"
Nokia should have placed an order on the hardware for its first Windows Mobile by a contract manufacturer with sales planned to start in September, according to unconfirmed reports.
Writer: Henry Thoresson
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Nokia may be able to get its first Windows Mobile on the market innnan starting to sell mobile MeeGo-N9. According to Taiwanese media, Nokia has placed an order for a phone that will be manufactured in two million copies. and where the first delivery is due in September.

Earlier this summer spreading a film on the net where Stephen Elop revealed an upcoming Windows Mobile for Nokia employees. The model, which has become known as Sea Ray, looked to be almost identical to Nokia's MeeGo mobile N9. The only differences that could be discerned was a slightly different placement of kamneran on the back and some differences in how the keys were placed.

If it really is the N9-type model which will be the first among Nokia's Windows mobile devices can not say with certainty, even if it gets it, or a Windows Mobile that reach customers first. But Nokia has selling points that you've learned a lot when they have developed N9 and probably have seen that production of the N9 is in an earlier phase in order to bring their experience with Sea Ray to begin serial production.

[jalyst]

Yeah same basic story it seems...
I don't reckon they'll have anything buy-able till Oct.

[ericsson]

got pissed today when reading mobil.se, it seems Nokia will actually release WP phone before n9 realese :mad:

NokiaFAIL

LOL. You need to take a break, a breath at least :D The N9 and WP will be released when they are ready. They will be released in different markets, so no harm done either way.

[jo21]

he is just delaying so sea ray its ready.

release sea ray on big markets.

release n9 is small markets

compare >_>
btw: engadget its getting weird

anything pro meego anti wp7 gets hammered by reports.
no insults, just numbers, even Fake n9 picture, get reporting by microsoft "marketing" arm.

it's funny same guy make twitter accounts to promote microsoft stuff.

[jalyst]

You have to remember Engadget's a US-based site.
There's a hard-core pro Microsoft crew there...
Of course, not all their US readers are raging MS fanboys, but a significant proportion are.
Particularly nowadays, given the way the market's shaping.

[ericsson]

he is just delaying so sea ray its ready.

release sea ray on big markets.

release n9 is small markets

compare >_>
btw: engadget its getting weird

anything pro meego anti wp7 gets hammered by reports.
no insults, just numbers, even Fake n9 picture, get reporting by microsoft "marketing" arm.

it's funny same guy make twitter accounts to promote microsoft stuff.

I'm not exactly sure what you are saying. Either you want the N9 or you don't. If you want it, then purchase it, if you don't then get something else.

[caa]

UK users, for info, you may have already seen this.

Here is a UK store who seem confident they will be getting the N9 (sim free):
http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/blog/2011/08/nokia-n9-coming-soon/

So that can be added to the list of retailers (Play.com/Expansys etc) who already have it listed.

(Info sourced via the blog at NokiaMobilePhoneNews (http://nokiamobilephonenews.co.uk/2011/08/17/nokia-n9-is-coming-to-the-uk-after-all/) )


:)

[catbus]

(Info sourced via the blog at NokiaMobilePhoneNews (http://nokiamobilephonenews.co.uk/2011/08/17/nokia-n9-is-coming-to-the-uk-after-all/) )


:)

"For that, you’ll bag yourself the 16GB model, and it’s unlikely we’ll be seeing its 32GB sibling."

What? 32Gb? - 64 Perhaps?

But maybe this is comforting news...

[lma]

<OT> Seems Sea Ray has a name: Nokia 800.

First idiot who dares to call it "N800" gets shot.

[gerbick]

First idiot who dares to call it "N800" gets shot.

Truly hope you have invested in ammo. You're gonna need it.

[scapegoat845]

Polar Mobile to bring over 300 Nokia apps for Symbian, MeeGo-Harmattan and Windows Phone:

http://mynokiablog.com/2011/08/18/polar-mobile-to-bring-over-300-nokia-apps-for-symbian-meego-harmattan-and-windows-phone/

[marxian]

Polar Mobile to bring over 300 Nokia apps for Symbian, MeeGo-Harmattan and Windows Phone:

http://mynokiablog.com/2011/08/18/polar-mobile-to-bring-over-300-nokia-apps-for-symbian-meego-harmattan-and-windows-phone/

300 RSS feed 'apps' is what I read elsewhere.

[danramos]

got pissed today when reading mobil.se, it seems Nokia will actually release WP phone before n9 realese :mad:

NokiaFAIL

What are you talking about?? Read the title of the thread! IT'S FINALLY HERE! ;)

300 RSS feed 'apps' is what I read elsewhere.

Will there be a Google Reader made available too? :)

[xerxes2]

If Nokia manage to somehow get a WP7 phone in stores before the N9 it's game over.

[gerbick]

If Nokia manage to somehow get a WP7 phone in stores before the N9 it's game over.

I fear that will be the case in bigger markets.

[marxian]

Will there be a Google Reader made available too? :)

What I mean is that each 'app' will provide access to a single RSS feed from a specific site, rather than a be general feed reader. So it's just a cheap way of boosting the numbers.

There are already a couple of Google Reader applications for the Symbiam platform. One of them, NewsFlow, is also available for Maemo 5, and I expect it will be made available for Meego-Harmattan also (the developer has an N950). I have used NewsFlow briefly on my N900, but I'm not qualified to give a detailed critique of it's features, as I don't normally use Google Reader.

[lma]

Truly hope you have invested in ammo. You're gonna need it.

I only volunteered to take care of the first one, y'all'll have to deal with the rest. It's a community effort ;-)

[abill_uk]

I only volunteered to take care of the first one, y'all'll have to deal with the rest. It's a community effort ;-)

HAHAHA your English is choice :p made me laugh :D

[jalyst]

Polar Mobile to bring over 300 Nokia apps for Symbian, MeeGo-Harmattan and Windows Phone

Already posted, but thanks!
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1071970&postcount=4317

[jalyst]

I'm not exactly sure what you are saying. Either you want the N9 or you don't. If you want it, then purchase it, if you don't then get something else.

He's referring to the censoring of anti-WP/Searay posts.
I have actually seen what he's talking about.
I've not seen even one derogatory MeeGo/N9 post removed.
But I'm not very surprised....

[jalyst]

UK users, for info, you may have already seen this.

Here is a UK store who seem confident they will be getting the N9 (sim free):
http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/blog/2011/08/nokia-n9-coming-soon/

So that can be added to the list of retailers (Play.com/Expansys etc) who already have it listed.

(Info sourced via the blog at NokiaMobilePhoneNews (http://nokiamobilephonenews.co.uk/2011/08/17/nokia-n9-is-coming-to-the-uk-after-all/) )


:)

Thanks.
You should let mynokiablog know if you've got a minute.
jay [at] mynokiablog.com
They've been maintaining a worldwide list.
Since the official one has been a joke...

[jalyst]

What I mean is that each 'app' will provide access to a single RSS feed from a specific site, rather than a be general feed reader. So it's just a cheap way of boosting the numbers.

Huh? But not all 300+ apps will be feed/news readers?
Most of them should be entirely diff. genres I'd imagine.
They wouldn't get away with what you're suggesting surely.

[danramos]

Huh? But not all 300+ apps will be feed/news readers?
Most of them should be entirely diff. genres I'd imagine.
They wouldn't get away with what you're suggesting surely.

I believe he's practicing exaggeration and sarcasm to illustrate a commentary point. :)

[toki]

WOOT! my nokia n9 is now on pre-order!!!!!!

[catbus]

^Where? Link please?

[toki]

^ australia

[abill_uk]

^ australia

Did you manage to pre-order from the link i put ?. ;)

[jalyst]

This is the best price I've seen in oz so far
http://www.mobicity.com.au/catalogsearch/result/?q=Nokia+N9&x=0&y=0
Haven't looked around heaps yet....

[rentze]

This is the best price I've seen in oz so far
http://www.mobicity.com.au/catalogsearch/result/?q=Nokia+N9&x=0&y=0
Haven't looked around heaps yet....

The phone has been listed by over 40 retailers in Switzerland! Check this out:
http://www.toppreise.ch/index.php?search=nokia+n9&cat=193

Smells like the release is just around the corner...

[gerbick]

I seriously still kindly request that the title be changed somewhat until the final retail release of the N9.

[marxian]

Huh? But not all 300+ apps will be feed/news readers?
Most of them should be entirely diff. genres I'd imagine.
They wouldn't get away with what you're suggesting surely.

Of course, each will provide a feed for a unique site (so 300 different sites in total). My point that they cannot be considered as genuine applications. I believe they will be ad supported, so that's another mark against them.

We will have the 'opportunity' to install an 'app' that will provide us with a single RSS feed (easily obtainable via an existing reader/website) and serve us a bunch of ads. No thanks.

[marxian]

I seriously still kindly request that the title be changed somewhat until the final retail release of the N9.

How about 'N9: Waiting for Doomsday'.

[gerbick]

How about 'N9: Waiting for Doomsday'.

Wow.

I was hoping for something a bit more accurate, like "Nokia N9: Announced, Now Awaiting Retail Delivery"

[ericsson]

Wow.

I was hoping for something a bit more accurate, like "Nokia N9: Announced, Now Awaiting Retail Delivery"

I agree actually. When the N9 finally IS released, I would want a clean thread.

[marxian]

Wow.

I was hoping for something a bit more accurate, like "Nokia N9: Announced, Now Awaiting Retail Delivery"

Here's my rationale:

1. N9 is pretty much doomed, thanks to the top brass at Nokia.

2. Nokia's track record on delivery following an announcement is so poor that the world may come to an end before any paying customers are able to get their hands on one.

As far as at least one Nokia employee is concerned, they have already 'delivered' the N9, which I think speaks volumes.

[abill_uk]

Here's my rationale:

1. N9 is pretty much doomed, thanks to the top brass at Nokia.

2. Nokia's track record on delivery following an announcement is so poor that the world may come to an end before any paying customers are able to get their hands on one.

As far as at least one Nokia employee is concerned, they have already 'delivered' the N9, which I think speaks volumes.

And your a great pessimist :p ;)

[marxian]

And your a great pessimist :p ;)

Given the time that I've already invested in the Meego-Harmattan platform, nobody will be happier than me if I am proved wrong. :)

Can't see it happening, though. The boss wants rid of Meego. And that's that.

[coderedcomputing]

1. N9 is pretty much doomed, thanks to the top brass at Nokia.

2. Nokia's track record on delivery following an announcement is so poor that the world may come to an end before any paying customers are able to get their hands on one.

1. yup

2. by the time the average user can see one in the store next to other phones, the "average user" will see that it doesn't have a dual core (uhh only 1 proc, and only 1GHz? uhhh), or a 3d camera, only 720p?, no HDMI out, etc etc, lather, rinse, repeat...so they will pass.

sad really.

[jalyst]

Of course, each will provide a feed for a unique site (so 300 different sites in total). My point that they cannot be considered as genuine applications. I believe they will be ad supported, so that's another mark against them.

We will have the 'opportunity' to install an 'app' that will provide us with a single RSS feed (easily obtainable via an existing reader/website) and serve us a bunch of ads. No thanks.

That's not how the original story read to me...
You got a source link that explains further, the exact nature of the apps they're dev'ing?
That's a cop-out if that's all they're really doing :mad:

[gerbick]

I agree actually. When the N9 finally IS released, I would want a clean thread.

Mark your calendar. We actually agree on something.

[jalyst]

I agree actually. When the N9 finally IS released, I would want a clean thread.

hallelujah to that

[jalyst]

Many of these prolly already posted...

File manager for Harmattan...
http://projects.developer.nokia.com/filemanager
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75726
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J5lqqkkvR0

Nifty apps coming:

Nokia-Play-To: doesn't look like there's N9 support, but will be soon
http://betalabs.nokia.com/apps/nokia-play-to
SMShopper
http://projects.developer.nokia.com/SmShopper
IRC chatter: light-weight, touch-friendly IRC client
http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/08/video-irc-chatter-meego-harmattan-qt-qml/
MeeCast: not just a weather app but a whole platform, sounds impressive
http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/08/application-preview-meecast-meego-harmattan/
Butaca
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/08/14/butaca-bringing-all-your-movie-related-information-to-your-harmattan-device/
MusikCloud: sound-cloud client
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75639
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLg8YhMaq90
cuteTunes: cuteTunes client
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/08/18/cutetunes-mp3tunes-client-for-harmattan/
Video Toad FTP: this'll probably be integrated into file manager anyway.
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/08/17/video-toad-ftp-qt-qml-ftp-app-available-at-ovi-store/
If it isn't, then this is very cheap, and seems to work well.

An awesome development relating to the UI
http://felipec.wordpress.com/2011/08/14/n9-swipe-undocumented-feature-activate-sane-behavior/
Some great comments relating to this development:
This is exactly what I was hoping would happen!
In it’s normal use meego-harmattan swipe behaviour would mean a swiping out of an application would bring you back to the screen from which you started that appliction.
Which might mean you’d need an extra swipe to get to the screen you’d really want.
Now with the option of customisable swipes, you should never be more than one swipe away.
For instance on my n9 I’ll be using this swipe scheme: up = app screen, down = kill/close app, left = notifications screen, right = multitasking screen.
Much more unified and efficient behaviour I think.
I wonder whether there’s the possibility to use two or more directions of swipe to initiate an action also… ie. Left and right swipe together = start an application
Or even swipe macros which could be started by holding down one of the volume keys for a while followed by a series of swipes that then does something…
this ones probably just for the hardcore users though.
<snip>I’m wondering which, out of the suggestions that have been made so far could be implemented by the community (without having to re-write huge chunks of code that is).
The application specific swipes could probably be done assuming that the trigger to make changes to mcompositor.conf active is lightweight with no side effects.
Pretty much all the other suggestions look like they won’t be possible to me……
Oh hang on! All this swipe gesture stuff is developed in the open (gitorious/meegotouch/meegotouch-compositor*) ?! That’s pretty awesome.
I'm loving where the above might be going....
How cool would it be, if we could have something similar to quicksilver (http://qsapp.com/), but for a smartphone touchscreen!?!

BT4 (but conflicting info suggests it still may not be there; I'll ask Zeh @"N950 Vs N9")
https://www.bluetooth.org/tpg/QLI_viewQDL.cfm?qid=18246

This suggests at least FM TX should be possible...
http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/N9DevelopmentTipsAndTricks#Accessing_FM_receiver
But according to this FM TX "&" RX is looking unlikely (asking about BT4)
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3902&page=2

Kontorri speaks RE Alien Dalvik, and a white N9 (last comment)
http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=25111815&postID=1866855797236048726

[catbus]

IRC chatter: light-weight, touch-friendly IRC client
http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/08/video-irc-chatter-meego-harmattan-qt-qml/


Btw, was there also Firefox-icon on that demo-video?

And i will buy this asap... Ofcourse after, i get my... Precious...
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Master... where is it???

[jakiman]

Many of these prolly already posted...

Thanks for this awesome list. I'll add these to my tidbits article also. :)

[toki]

This is the best price I've seen in oz so far
http://www.mobicity.com.au/catalogsearch/result/?q=Nokia+N9&x=0&y=0
Haven't looked around heaps yet....

lol its funny how it gives you the option to purchase a memcard with it...

too bad theres no where to place it in the n9



im actually waiting for my carrier to release it (then ill cancel my pre-order LOL)

[jalyst]

lol its funny how it gives you the option to purchase a memcard with it...

too bad theres no where to place it in the n9



im actually waiting for my carrier to release it (then ill cancel my pre-order LOL)

That's just the page design...

If someone's stupid enough to buy on that basis.
And they've not done any research before hitting a retailers site.
Well...
They're the kind of person who's going to get very frustrated w/the N9, very quickly.

AFAIR Mobicity is a reputable online retailer.
They had a good rep. around the N900's final availability in Oz.
For speedy delivery and excellent pricing etc.

You mean Vodafone?
Yeah I hope more than one carrier releases it eventually.
I've heard rumors of others, but nothing concrete yet.

[jo21]

n9 getting released in regions as small as my country. :/

[aironeous]

I seriously still kindly request that the title be changed somewhat until the final retail release of the N9.

How about "The ms trojan Elop: HE has finally replicated"
Or
"Say goodbye to open source and nokia"
Or
"we are Microhard. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile."

[eMiL]

I'm not sure if this has been posted before but just keep feeding the N9 hungry: 99-photos-of-the-nokia-n9 (http://www.fonearena.com/blog/39769/exclusive-photo-gallery-99-photos-of-the-nokia-n9.html)

[Kozzi]

I'm not sure if this has been posted before but just keep feeding the N9 hungry: 99-photos-of-the-nokia-n9 (http://www.fonearena.com/blog/39769/exclusive-photo-gallery-99-photos-of-the-nokia-n9.html)

seriously, how can one resist not wanting a cyan model :(
http://cdn6.fonearena.com/i/n9/b/NokiaN9Michael065.jpg

[jalyst]

Nokia so needs to use this for the N9...
I'm so sick of all the poor "official" doco WRT hardware, & even software.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2011/08/dozuki-will-drag-service-manuals-kicking-and-screaming-into-21st-century.ars
http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/18/ifixit-intros-dozuki-promises-service-manuals-that-don-t-suck/

[danramos]

How about "The ms trojan Elop: HE has finally replicated"
Or
"Say goodbye to open source and nokia"
Or
"we are Microhard. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile."

http://oi55.tinypic.com/2yuzgog.jpg

[juanenrique]

N9 will rock the Third World!!

...and i guess by third world you are talking about cuasi-bankrupt US & Europe... ? :rolleyes:

***

back to the thread, i am on holiday somewhere remote and idyllic... so only now i'm catching up with the posts (currently at post 4100 and a long way to go)... so who wants a title change and what are your suggestions?... :D

[bwalter]

... so who wants a title change and what are your suggestions?... :D

N9: Finally announced

[juanenrique]

...well after careful consideration of all the options of better titles posted in the thread, i've gone for the addition of two words... :)

...will the N9 be released for retail before this thread hits... say 6000?

[bwalter]

Does anybody know if the N9 has a gyroscope?

[smegheadz]

Does anybody know if the N9 has a gyroscope?

Rumor has it that it comes with a guyroscope, gaydar and chick magnet ohhhh yeaaah.

[vivmak]

Price in Australia, its a joke, why would you pay so much for this device which is no special in my opinion?

http://www.harveynorman.com.au/product/1256979185834/nokia-n-gb-cyan-smartphone

[bwalter]

Price in Australia, its a joke, why would you pay so much for this device which is no special in my opinion?

http://www.harveynorman.com.au/product/1256979185834/nokia-n-gb-cyan-smartphone

Isn't it special? It is the first N9 with a Symbian OS. At least according to the specifications ;)

[vivmak]

Isn't it special? It is the first N9 with a Symbian OS. At least according to the specifications ;)

Indeed it says so in specifications , didn't pay attention to that detail just made sure it was n9 :)

[jalyst]

Price in Australia, its a joke, why would you pay so much for this device which is no special in my opinion?

http://www.harveynorman.com.au/product/1256979185834/nokia-n-gb-cyan-smartphone

You need to read/shop around a lot more.....
People have already posted several prices in Australia, that are way better than Hardly Normal's prices.
Everyone in Australia knows Hardly Normal's notorious for hugely inflated prices...
That they occasionally have massive 'discounts' for, so people think they're getting a bargain.

Mobicity for e.g. sells the 64GB for $80 less then HN's price for the 16GB.
http://www.mobicity.com.au/nokia-n9-64gb.html
I haven't searched all the other mainstream, bulk-buy, or specialist retailers.
No doubt there'll be equally good or better offers now or after the launch, as time passes.

Then there's carrier subsidization via Vodafone.
I'm not yet aware of any other carriers, after Vodafone loses it's 1mth exclusivity.

[ikirk]

Price in Australia, its a joke, why would you pay so much for this device which is no special in my opinion?

http://www.harveynorman.com.au/product/1256979185834/nokia-n-gb-cyan-smartphone

Symbian OS... :D Maybe the site should change it's name to Harvey Conman then.

[jalyst]

...and i guess by third world you are talking about cuasi-bankrupt US & Europe... ? :rolleyes:

***

back to the thread, i am on holiday somewhere remote and idyllic... so only now i'm catching up with the posts (currently at post 4100 and a long way to go)... so who wants a title change and what are your suggestions?... :D

Hey wow the OP!
Where the heck have you been mate?!? :D
LOL if I were you, I wouldn't bother reading it all.
Most of it's just hugely OT flame-wars etc.

If you want only the facts see here (not just the OP)
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1036166#post1036166
Of course there's still a lot missing from there.
As some of it's still splattered in this thread, others, & all over the internetz.

[jalyst]

Does anybody know if the N9 has a gyroscope?

No, I believe there's other gear that does the job just as nicely, see here
http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/N9/
Although knowing Nok's track record of doco so far, I wouldn't be surprised if it's merely been omitted.

[0x4e84]

Does anybody know if the N9 has a gyroscope?

From what I have read on the official spec page (http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-n9/specifications) and elsewhere on the net, the N9 only has accelerometer and magnetometer, but no gyro.

[jn183]

Worth a shot I guess.

Amazon has them as currently unavailable. All you guys should add it to your "wishlist." If we have like 50,000-100,000 people from the N900 doing this, then maybe it will catch Amazon attention. Amazon might just pressure Nokia a bit. Shrug. At this point in time, it's not going to hurt to try.

http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-64GB-Black-Cyan-Magenta/dp/B005HA3Y2O/ref=sr_1_8?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1313764656&sr=1-8

http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-16GB-Black-Cyan-Magenta/dp/B005HA4W7K/ref=sr_1_13?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1313764656&sr=1-13

Hope under everything I could get my hand on the cyan one. A bit too light blue for my taste. I wish it was regular blue. However, I'm sick of black color phone. I want something refreshing. Magenta is a bit too light on the near pink side for my tolerance. :)

[bwalter]

Rumor has it that it comes with a guyroscope, gaydar and chick magnet ohhhh yeaaah.

Indeed. But (unfortunately) only for the pink version.

[catbus]

Indeed. But (unfortunately) only for the pink version.

But Sir, I must say... Pink really suit You Sir...

[scapegoat845]

Rumor has it that it comes with a guyroscope, gaydar and chick magnet ohhhh yeaaah.

Lmaooo. greatest post on this thread. :D:D:D

[jn183]

Read something about Amazon.UK or a retail over there confirmed they will have Nokia N9. I don't mind importing N9 and exporting if need replacement. Not that expensive.

[abill_uk]

Today i chased up the price for the N9 and have found something else that i was not aware of, near on all of the Nokia outlets are either shut or have no staff as the mobiles are left as they were security attached on wires etc with staff from other mobile outlets looking over this.... VERY WEIRD.

[scapegoat845]

Today i chased up the price for the N9 and have found something else that i was not aware of, near on all of the Nokia outlets are either shut or have no staff as the mobiles are left as they were security attached on wires etc with staff from other mobile outlets looking over this.... VERY WEIRD.

Wait.... what ?

[jalyst]

Amazon has them as currently unavailable. All you guys should add it to your "wishlist."
If we have like 50,000-100,000 people from the N900 doing this, then maybe it will catch Amazon attention.
Amazon might just pressure Nokia a bit. Shrug. At this point in time, it's not going to hurt to try.

http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-64GB-Black-Cyan-Magenta/dp/B005HA3Y2O/ref=sr_1_8?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1313764656&sr=1-8
http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-16GB-Black-Cyan-Magenta/dp/B005HA4W7K/ref=sr_1_13?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1313764656&sr=1-13

Added to my wish-list *shrug*...
Very easy to do, everyone who has an acct should do it.
There's also a "like" thingy you can tick.

[scapegoat845]

Added to my wish-list *shrug*...
Very easy to do, everyone who has an acct should do it.
There's also a "like" thingy you can tick.

Done. Both models.

[juanenrique]

but won't that actually raise the price?...

[scapegoat845]

Question: The N9 has a slightly smaller battery than my E71. Do u guys think that the battery is more optimized for MH than Symbian ?

[marxian]

Question: The N9 has a slightly smaller battery than my E71. Do u guys think that the battery is more optimized for MH than Symbian ?

I'd say there is no way you will get longer battery life on the N9 than on the E71.

[scapegoat845]

I'd say there is no way you will get longer battery life on the N9 than on the E71.

Sorry, i meant to put the IP4. My wife has one. Lol. Better battery optimization ? The N9's is slightly bigger...

[giorgosmit]

@scapegoat: That's something that interests me as well. Compared to Symbian... well, no. There is no smartphone OS that is as good at energy management. Add to that the much lower clock speed of the E71 and there is simply no comparison.

Now, the iphone... well, that depends heavily on a lot of factors, the way you use the phone chief among them. Don't forget that the iphone has a stunted of multitasking that helps ensure that the processor gets strained as little as possible. Compared to the N9, with its full, real time multitasking... well, if you have a metric crapton of stuff running in the background that keeps the processor running on full throttle or the wireless chips sending bits back and forth (IM on standby, for example) then expect to get to be friends with the charger. It's not too different from the N900. Mine has quite excellent battery life when I don't run apps on the background and keep the IM protocols off, but when I turn them on...

Another side is the OS itself. Being linux running native code and not a runtime like android, I expect it to be quite easy on the processor and the battery. That also depends on the way the CPU scaling is set up, and what frequencies are used besides the full 1 gigahertz. Any N950 owners have an idea about this? Along with what frequencies the CPU actually supports?

[marxian]

Sorry, i meant to put the IP4. My wife has one. Lol. Better battery optimization ? The N9's is slightly bigger...

I might not be the best person to answer, as I've been having some issues with battery life on my N950 (completely discharging overnight from a full charge). I haven't had time to diagnose the problem. It could simply be a duff battery. Also, the device hasn't been through many charging cycles, as it spends most of its time connected to my desktop machine in SDK mode.

[scapegoat845]

@scapegoat: That's something that interests me as well. Compared to Symbian... well, no. There is no smartphone OS that is as good at energy management. Add to that the much lower clock speed of the E71 and there is simply no comparison.

Now, the iphone... well, that depends heavily on a lot of factors, the way you use the phone chief among them. Don't forget that the iphone has a stunted of multitasking that helps ensure that the processor gets strained as little as possible. Compared to the N9, with its full, real time multitasking... well, if you have a metric crapton of stuff running in the background that keeps the processor running on full throttle or the wireless chips sending bits back and forth (IM on standby, for example) then expect to get to be friends with the charger. It's not too different from the N900. Mine has quite excellent battery life when I don't run apps on the background and keep the IM protocols off, but when I turn them on...

Another side is the OS itself. Being linux running native code and not a runtime like android, I expect it to be quite easy on the processor and the battery. That also depends on the way the CPU scaling is set up, and what frequencies are used besides the full 1 gigahertz. Any N950 owners have an idea about this? Along with what frequencies the CPU actually supports?

I may just keep my fb & twitter feed updates off in the events view if it means saving juice. No biggie. If the device ever gets released that is.....

[jalyst]

Heading's a little more exciting/misleading than the actual content of the story.
But still somewhat heartening for MeeGo...

Developers interest grown for MeeGo and decreased for Symbian and WP (http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/08/19/developers-interest-grown-for-meego-and-decreased-for-symbian-and-wp/)

[aironeous]

Rumor has it that it comes with a guyroscope, gaydar and chick magnet ohhhh yeaaah.

They're making some last minute changes to the hardware. It will have a pico projector, dog whistle, laser pointer, bottle cap opener, ultrasound location like bats have, a place on the back for refilling it with butane and a lighter, magnets on the back so it can be used stuck to your fridge and some attachments for when you stick it on vibrate (dildo, toothbrush, knife, file and etching tool).

[mikecomputing]

Latest rumor: I will buy Nokia. And the first thing I will do is FIRE ELOP!!!

[Chuck Norris]

Mikecuputing...elop is to smart for you.

[gerbick]

Mikecuputing...elop is to smart for you.

The misspells cost you a laugh. Glad to see the thread title changed though.

[Chuck Norris]

The misspells cost you a laugh. Glad to see the thread title changed though.

Gooooooorbick...

[unfuccwittable]

Gooooooorbick...
every time you post, I think of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0&hd=1

[gerbick]

Gooooooorbick...

Okay. This made me laugh.

[Chuck Norris]

every time you post, I think of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0&hd=1

That impression will change when you read this post.

[unfuccwittable]

how do you ignore again?

[Chuck Norris]

how do you ignore again?

You can't, I'm Chuck Norris. But you can try control panel to the right and enter Chuck Norris.

[afaq]

Back on topic for a sec (though i'm no longer sure what is on and off topic anymore).

This got me excited

http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/08/application-preview-meecast-meego-harmattan/

The clean graphics, dark colours and the moblin/meego style gets me all sorts of excited. Would love this on the N900.

http://www.meegoexperts.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Application-Preview-MeeCast-Harmattan-MeeGo-MeeGoExperts-Avatar-3.png

[andraeseus1]

Galaxy S2 is superior by almost all aspects

no keyboard?

[abill_uk]

Can someone or anyone confirm that the Nokia shops are closing?.

[jalyst]

That was already a major story months ago.
Not in all countries, but in many they are.

[jalyst]

I had planned to address someone else's post re: "why pick this over the SGSII?"
And do it in much more detail... but this will have to do as a dry run.

no keyboard?

You're responding to a post from 21/06.
"Much" has been ascertained about the hardware since then.
But alas there's still some unclear aspects.

Overall we now know that despite SGSII (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S_II) looking superior in many aspects;
A lot of them will/may end-up being moot...

The only ones that definitely won't be are:
*HDMI
*3-axis Gyroscope
*1GB ROM (Is this right? N9 only has 512MB ROM)

It's not yet clear how the Nokia N9 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N9)'s relatively weak CPU/GPU will manifest itself, if at all.
There'll need to be stress tests (real-world) done on both, to garner anything.
The only obvious area I can think of are games...
But I doubt there'll ever be much of a repository of top-notch commercial games for the N9 anyway.

No SDHC/XC is overcome by the fact that the N9 has great built-in storage (eMMC?) capacity.
That is already cheaper than a similarly sized iPhone4/5 would be.

We know that in actual fact the display overall looks just as good, if not better.
With the only downer being it's 0.4" smaller...

We know the camera's likely to take better quality pictures, & the software likely to be superior.

We know it's likely to take better quality 720p video, & the software likely to be better.
The one downer being it can't take 1080p video.

No MHL/HDMI is addressed by the fact that it's one of the few phones that does 802.11an + DLNA.
This is not a total replacement, but it's does help somewhat.

Then there's feature's N9 has that SGSII doesn't, or has, but doesn't support well 'officially':
*NFC
*BT4 (this is not 100% certain for N9)
*1-1 vid chat (http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=29229#post29229) (both Jingle & Skype)

One has to remember that developing an entire smartphone OS is huge undertaking.
And one Samsung doesn't have to factor-in to their costs, aside from the UI tweaks they do.

So long as the N9 64GB's only say $50 more on avg...
Then I think a strong case can be made, that it's almost as good value, & certainly as good overall.
So long as the N9 does continue to get decent support after the release.

[Lindegaard]

the N9 has 512mb rom and 1gb ram

http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/N9/

I agree with in most aspects, however the SGII biggest "pro" is the market whereas N9 will have to do with ovi store.

[vivmak]

I'd say N9 would have been great at the price if it was as open as N900 is (stand corrected here) and if it had a hw kbd but Galaxy SII stands out now.

Swype or no swype doesn't matter.

I prefer the internal storage over the external as the information is store is secure if device itself has a lock.

NFC etc are of no use to me, i am happy to pay around $500 for n9 but not $700-$800 as is being currently advertised by some sellers here in Oz.

My next one should be a SII but i will wait till some reviews come out for n9 meanwhile n900 goes with me everywhere.

[erendorn]

Swype or no swype doesn't matter.


My brother in law has one (gs2), and it looks sleek and terrific, but "no swipe" does matter: task switching is nowhere near as in N900, which itself seems inferior to the swipe interface.

Not saying it makes it a better phone, but it does matter.

[jalyst]

I'd say N9 would have been great at the price if it was as open as N900 is (stand corrected here) and if it had a hw kbd but Galaxy SII stands out now.

Swype or no swype doesn't matter.

I prefer the internal storage over the external as the information is store is secure if device itself has a lock.

NFC etc are of no use to me, i am happy to pay around $500 for n9 but not $700-$800 as is being currently advertised by some sellers here in Oz.

My next one should be a SII but i will wait till some reviews come out for n9 meanwhile n900 goes with me everywhere.

Cheapest SII's around in Australia ATM are about $600.
If the N9 hit's $700 I reckon it's pretty close value-wise.
I've already come across 64GB N9's that are $749, no doubt someone will hit $700.

And value aside, as a smartphone I suspect it'll be just as good (if not better) overall.
But the jury's still (FFS hurry-up Nokia!) out on that one.
Until we finally have the retail product available for detailed comparison w/a SII.

[Rugoz]

I wonder how much faster browsing is with dual core compared to single core, thats the application I worry about regarding performance on the N9.

The N9 offers one-handed use (sg2 just too big for that) and I want those nokia play 360 speakers :), they're just awesome.

[danramos]

But Sir, I must say... Pink really suit You Sir...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_4ZMnG939bk8/R-pu9jNP24I/AAAAAAAAB6M/h-odiyaoq6k/S660/donut.jpg

[jalyst]

I wonder how much faster browsing is with dual core compared to single core, thats the application I worry about regarding performance on the N9.

Yeah this is what I'm really interested in....
I'm not sure SGSII's beefy CPU/GPU, will actually prove to be useful in many real-world scenarios.

The N9 offers one-handed use (sg2 just too big for that)

That's another thing with these super big screens...
They'll start to become impractical once we hit 5"+ IMO.
For a smartphone anyway....
Which is usually meant to be easily usable with one hand.
Sure some hands will be fine, but the avg. size hand won't.

and I want those nokia play 360 speakers :), they're just awesome.

Meh, they're just 'meh' for me, not sure why so many think they're "teh awesomest!".
Just a gimmick IMO, there's more interesting things I want to see them doing with NFC.

[danramos]

That's another thing with these super big screens...
They'll start to become impractical once we hit 5" IMO.
For a smartphone anyway....
Which is usually meant to be easily usable with one hand.
Sure some hands will be fine, but the avg. size hand won't.

What do you mean ONCE we hit 5"??? (http://www.amazon.com/Dell-Streak-5-Android-Tablet/dp/B003WT20Q8)

[jalyst]

I agree with in most aspects, however the SGII biggest "pro" is the market whereas N9 will have to do with ovi store.

From what I've been observing....
Quality apps (commercial & non) have been popping-up at quite a respectable rate.
Despite the limited resources thrown into fostering that.*

Of course we'll probably never get the best games from some of the biggest houses.
And the N9 won't have the grunt to play the most demanding one's anyway.

But it's definitely progressing way better than the N900 was at the same stage.
[Which is to be expected, considering N900 was mainly seen by Nok as a learning ph]

Then there's the possibility Alien Dalvik will be made available for purchase.
That's still very much an unknown at this stage though...

*compared to what was planned before the switch to WP.

[Chuck Norris]

5" is not a problem, unless you have baby hands. Same thing was said about 4" two years ago.

[jalyst]

I don't think so.....
For the avg. size hand (normalized between M & F's) above 5" starts to become tricky to hold, & easily use thumb etc.
Two handed use starts to become necessary...

[jalyst]

What do you mean ONCE we hit 5"??? (http://www.amazon.com/Dell-Streak-5-Android-Tablet/dp/B003WT20Q8)

Thank-you, I rest my case... :D
Look at the comments there, with users commenting on it's utility as a "phone".

[Rugoz]

Meh, they're just 'meh' for me, not sure why so many think they're "teh awesomest!".
Just a gimmick IMO, there's more interesting things I want to see them doing with NFC.


Actually its the combination of good size, portability (battery), omnidirectional speaker and easy NFC pairing which make it optimal for my use. Even at home I can just take the speaker with me to the kitchen, bedroom or bathroom without making a big fuss (cables, pairing, different speakers etc). I've never bought a nokia accessoir before, hopefully its good quality.

But you are right I should probably search for similar cheaper products, the nfc pairing is not a must. Maybe I find something.

[mikecomputing]

who cares about SGS2? Android is dead end of 2012 and Elop is fired and Nokia N9 still selling well and a new one is comming...

[jalyst]

^LOL, think we're getting a little too far ahead of ourselves :)

[abill_uk]

That was already a major story months ago.
Not in all countries, but in many they are.

Major story where? can you point me in the right direction please?.

[jalyst]

http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/31/nokias-online-stores-go-offline-in-france-and-spain/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/30/nokia-shutters-online-and-retail-stores-in-uk-us-web-store/

[Rugoz]

does the n9 support apt-x bluetooth?

[abill_uk]

http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/31/nokias-online-stores-go-offline-in-france-and-spain/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/30/nokia-shutters-online-and-retail-stores-in-uk-us-web-store/

Thankyou for that but i was already aware of online stores shutting shop.

What i am on about is the actual Nokia retail stores that are shutting down now and it looks like everywhere in the world not just europe !.

I have a friend currently going around Asia to find that every Nokia shop so far is shut.

Anyone know why?.

[jalyst]

Um, those stories also mention the physical shops being shut too.
Online & mortar was only being shut down in select countries...
Countries where it was/is still doing okay-ish, they were being kept open.
Which isn't many because it was never a big initiative by them.
They've always had affiliates who act as retailers or service centers.
Not only dedicated Nokia stores etc...

[jalyst]

Nokia so needs to use this for the N9...
I'm so sick of all the poor "official" doco WRT hardware, & even software.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2011/08/dozuki-will-drag-service-manuals-kicking-and-screaming-into-21st-century.ars
http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/18/ifixit-intros-dozuki-promises-service-manuals-that-don-t-suck/

Don't ya'll reckon?

[jalyst]

does the n9 support apt-x bluetooth?

I suspect they'll only allow it for their WP phones
http://thenokiablog.com/2011/08/03/nokia-licenses-aptx-audio-technology/
Same might end-up happening for BT4 too :(

[Chuck Norris]

When will this become talk.mango.org?

[Rugoz]

I suspect they'll only allow it for their WP phones
http://thenokiablog.com/2011/08/03/n...io-technology/
Same might end-up happening for BT4 too


the wirless music receiver supports apt-x, in the ad video it is demoed with an N9, so I hope it works.

[Kozzi]

What's Jamify (http://jamify.blogspot.com/)?
Jamify (http://jamify.blogspot.com/) is an application which can browse and play content from Jamendo (http://www.jamendo.com/en/).

Jamify is a browser/streamer/explorer for the Jamendo service. Jamendo is an on-line service which provides music under the creative common license, free to listen to as much as your heart desire without any registration if you don't want to.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qDBHv86do9w/Tk7ik3ux_SI/AAAAAAAAAAk/ZVCkMLsuMFQ/s1600/2011-08-20_00-05-23.pnghttp://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZzYsfi7AjQg/Tk7ilx1N64I/AAAAAAAAAAs/iRiPVuDAmGM/s1600/2011-08-20_00-04-41.png
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http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-SUlk1xnGIV8/Tk7jbYw2KdI/AAAAAAAAABM/BUAgHyuEnZ0/s1600/2011-08-20_00-12-04.png

[giorgosmit]

WRT the hardware discussion, and specifically the comparison to GSII: has the owner of a dual core android phone seen practical differences and improvements in the daily use of the phone? When the HTC Hero was my primary phone (way, way back in the ancient days of myth and android 2.2) I used the phone mainly as a pdf that could make phonecalls. By that I mean I had some productivity apps like notes (evernote etc) voice recorders, some light yet insanely addictive games like tower defence, pdf, ebook and office readers and of course the dear to my heart android e-mail client and not so dear browser. On these tasks, the plucky Hero excelled- I still use it as a sim-less pda, in fact.

So, disregarding games, are there practical differences in the ease and efficiency of these tasks? The only thing that would probably be noticeably better, I think, would be the handling of pdf and office files, in which the hero is pretty bad. I'm very suspicious, generally, that the multi core craze is anything else than a textbook example of a constructed need (sorry if the term is not appropriate-not a native english speaker and going through caffeine withdrawal) mainly by marketing games. I mean, smartphones are still pretty much internet terminals for the majority of users, and even hardcore grease/web monkeys would never run mathlab or autocad on a 3.5 inch screen if you pointed a gun at them, no matter how smooth it would run. Same goes for photoshop or final cut, and every other high spec piece of productivity software.

So, that leaves us only games-and they still are mostly arcade ones or simple time-wasters, with little to distinguish them except continually fancified graphics (wake me up when a good ol' big-a@@ rpg or strategy game hits the smartphone market and then I'll take notice). So, where else is the desire, nay, the NEED many feel for monster CPUs in their phones rooted? Am I missing something? For me, good, innovative software trumps insanely powerfull hardware- and, on that front, things don't look good: my second favorite mobile software platform was killed two days ago and my favorite is on life support. Seems thinking new and different ways of using your smartphone, implementing them, and having the cojones to put them to market is harder that just keeping sticking an ever bigger cpu on a phone and running same ol' same ol' software on hardware that was reserved for supercomputers in days of yore... who knew?!

[jalyst]

the wirless music receiver supports apt-x, in the ad video it is demoed with an N9, so I hope it works.

Ad video, which one can you recall?
Hopefully that means N9 gets it....

[Rugoz]

@giorgosmit

javascript heavy websites?


Ad video, which one can you recall?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVxBYpaumzA

[Kozzi]

some more games gotten ported to N9, in the video:
- Crazy hamster
- Draw slasher (This ?) (http://mass-creation.com/drawslasher/)
- I Must Run
- Doodle Fit
- Xploder (http://nokia-n900.com/xploder-game-chain-reaction-in-your-hands/)
- Electric Beams (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQWrjjMOQFY)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwLmluZI-d8#t=0m25s

[giorgosmit]

@giorgosmit

javascript heavy websites?

I didn't think about that. Without knowing a lot about javascript (I'm not a dev, I just dabble in programming every now and then, but my javascript knowledge is largely theoretical), isn't the engine used in the browser playing an important role in performance? WRT to the javascript performance, android's biggest breakthrough was a software one- getting the v8 engine in 2.0. Even the Hero's performance improved significantly when I stuck 2.0 on it. I also recall playing with a Desire, clocked at 1 ghz (different architecture than the N9's TI CPU, granted) and browser performance was very, very good even in heavy websites. I'm optimistic that with a good engine, the N9's performance will be good enough.

[afaq]

I have a friend currently going around Asia to find that every Nokia shop so far is shut.

Anyone know why?.

Not the one I visited in Bangkok but I accept that this might be happening. Also curious as to the reason.

[jalyst]

So, that leaves us only games-and they still are mostly arcade ones or simple time-wasters, with little to distinguish them except continually fancified graphics (wake me up when a good ol' big-a@@ rpg or strategy game hits the smartphone market and then I'll take notice).

There's some pretty awesome ones on iOS now.
I've been loving Infinity Blade (http://www.epicgames.com/infinityblade/) on my iTouch 4G.
Awesome value considering how cheap it was.
And amazingly, they're constantly updating/improving the thing.
I'm not sure we can ever expect that level of gaming quality on the N9.
But it should cover everything else very nicely...
And WRT Android market, I haven't really checked out games.
No doubt there's some doozy's that are just as good, or better.

[jalyst]

@giorgosmitjavascript heavy websites?

It's just too early to say...
We need some thorough testing of them side-by-side, that includes js heavy sites etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVxBYpaumzA

Hmm no apt-x is mentioned...
But they plug "cd quality" heaps so they must be using apt-x.
Sweet, def. looks like a N9 to me, please let it be true!
And that MD-310 BT receiver concept is pretty nifty.

[giorgosmit]

@jalyst: Just googled IB... wow. Just wow. Didn't even know UE3 had been ported to iOS. What I really pine for, though, is a good, proper, waste half a year of your life to complete, rpg. Something like a mobile version of Baldur's gate, or an old and toned down Elder Scrolls game. A man can dream for Morrowind on his cell one day, right? ;)

[jalyst]

It is actually very RPG-like, but yeah I know what you mean...
They're constantly extending it's functionality, trying to tie-in making money "in game" etc.

[hotnikkelz]

I know this is offtopic but i thought i should put this link of symbian belle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZePeLU_VZ8&feature=player_embedded?

Looks nice imo :)

[raulito]

I saw on the Mexican Nokia page that the N9 will be sold here. My question is... should I get one, if many countries won't be able to. I am afraid that support / programs / hacks won't be available. Already 'ticked' that there still isn't Adobe Flash support anymore for the N900, even though they displayed 10.0 at their conference.

My N900 doesn't get 3G here because the stupid monopoly phone carrier doesn't use the right frequency. N9 should be able to, I suppose.


What do you guys think? Would it be a waste of $$$? Should I wait for the next one?

[zymo]

What do you guys think? Would it be a waste of $$$? Should I wait for the next one?

Wait for the next what? The next MeeGo phone from Nokia? :o

[hotnikkelz]

What do you guys think? Would it be a waste of $$$? Should I wait for the next one?

What next one? :)
Dude, buy it if you really do like it, and it won't be a waste. Support will be limited, but if you don't mind that go for it. Most people here are.

[Rugoz]

I know this is offtopic but i thought i should put this link of symbian belle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZePe...ayer_embedded?

Looks nice imo


Certainly nice enough for a transition to meego. With Qt nokia can make a nice UI for any platform, the switch to wp7 is really absurd. But yeah its offtopic.

[jo21]

well, i got my galaxy sII and its like symbian belle. just with more animations.

at least it's not like Wp7 boring and not customizable.

Meego Harmattan is indeed superior. to all OS

[jalyst]

I saw on the Mexican Nokia page that the N9 will be sold here. My question is... should I get one, if many countries won't be able to. I am afraid that support / programs / hacks won't be available. Already 'ticked' that there still isn't Adobe Flash support anymore for the N900, even though they displayed 10.0 at their conference.

My N900 doesn't get 3G here because the stupid monopoly phone carrier doesn't use the right frequency. N9 should be able to, I suppose.
What do you guys think? Would it be a waste of $$$? Should I wait for the next one?

It's looking unlikely there'll be a next one...
If you want there to be even the slightest chance there is a next one.
And if you like the phone just on it's merits, get it.
The only thing that'll sway Elop's mind towards a 2x OS strategy.
Is if it sells strongly in the markets it's been placed.

To get a more detailed picture of the N9, read the last several pages... at least...
I reckon it'll definitely "hold it's own" against muscle Android phones like the SGSII.
Provided Nokia don't artificially inflate it's price or limit supply worldwide, or deliberately remain non-aggressive.

So long as the cheapest N9 you can find, is only about $50USD more than the cheapest SGSII you can kind.
Then one can argue it's still good value. Even up to $150 is considerable IMO, but we need to see detailed comparo's 1st.
How well exactly it compares overall, we won't know until direct comparisons can be done.

Also if sticker price differences scare you off...
Maybe you'll be one of the lucky countries that has a raft of carriers supporting it?

[Rugoz]

I saw on the Mexican Nokia page that the N9 will be sold here. My question is... should I get one, if many countries won't be able to. I am afraid that support / programs / hacks won't be available. Already 'ticked' that there still isn't Adobe Flash support anymore for the N900, even though they displayed 10.0 at their conference.


I guess there will be support and a "spiritual" successor. I just don't see nokia wasting billions on the N9 and then abandoning all its tech. The UI and Qt is gonna survive, and so will its apps. I doubt it will remain high-end though.

I think nokia will tell us more about the purpose of the N9 in the next 2 months or so. Just wait til then.

[jalyst]

I guess there will be support and a "spiritual" successor. I just don't see nokia wasting billions on the N9 and then abandoning all its tech.
The UI and Qt is gonna survive, and so will its apps. I doubt it will remain high-end though.
I think nokia will tell us more about the purpose of the N9 in the next 2 months or so. Just wait til then.

If that happens I'll be very pissed...
N9 not out for even a month, nor had a chance to prove itself.
Before they totally bury the chances of there ever being another high-end ph like it.

They've never officially said anything that suggests they'll do that.
But a lot of their actions have pointed in that general direction.

It'll be a shame if they don't even give a 2x OS strategy a chance.
If not in the immediate term, than at least for the longer-term.
That's what I'm hoping to hear from them in the new year...

*1x MeeGo or Maemo based ph at the top-end /yr (beginning 1H 2013)
*Dozens of WP phones that span from the top-end to the mid low-end.
*S40 for the simplest feature-phones around the world
*Continue as planned for Symbian....
[maybe even phase-out more quickly, if that's going to mean better productivity for S40/Maemo]

[Chuck Norris]

No, they won't but they Will tell us about the Windows phones and the $80 millions campaign.

[mikecomputing]

What next one? :)
Dude, buy it if you really do like it, and it won't be a waste. Support will be limited, but if you don't mind that go for it. Most people here are.

please stop FUD about limitited support they had said it will be supported for five years. everything eelse iks just rumors and your own conclusions!

[rentze]

please stop FUD about limitited support they had said it will be supported for five years. everything eelse iks just rumors and your own conclusions!

And whoever said that? Is that how you stop the rumors?

[gerbick]

And whoever said that? Is that how you stop the rumors?

I'm quite sure Mike is using a hyperbole with the very definite time period of "5 years"; however Nokia has stated that Nokia N9 and MeeGo will be supported for years (http://www.unwiredview.com/2011/07/07/nokia-n9-and-meego-will-be-supported-for-years/).

It's up to you to believe it. I personally will believe it when I see it.

[lsolano]

You can't, I'm Chuck Norris. But you can try control panel to the right and enter Chuck Norris.

Anyone that dares to ignore Chuck Norris should be punished and kicked off this forum.

My respect for you Mr. Norris.

[rentze]

I'm quite sure Mike is using a hyperbole with the very definite time period of "5 years"; however Nokia has stated that Nokia N9 and MeeGo will be supported for years (http://www.unwiredview.com/2011/07/07/nokia-n9-and-meego-will-be-supported-for-years/).

It's up to you to believe it. I personally will believe it when I see it.

I know about that famous tweet... I just don't find it too important, let alone contracting, especially when their history of statements is taken into account. But that is how the rumors start. After a short tweet, or a sentence taken from the context, which usually mean nothing, comes a series of bombastic titles, analyses, forum threads etc... Furthermore, it often takes several iterations to come up with a quality rumor: every co-author gives his little contribution. So we wind up with our own world of expectations, based on very few facts and lots of imagination. And then, when our expectations aren't met, we rant...

[jpfsn]

This post is meant for those who are still interested in release dates:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLfi3F-lyqk&feature=relmfu

For those who don't speak Portuguese, the responsible for Nokia smart devices in Latin America says in this video that the n9 will be available in Brazil by the end of Q3 2011 / beginning of Q4 2011.

My first guess is that they're sticking to the September 23rd release date.

Since Nokia is a VERY strong brand in Brazil, my second guess is that they chose to release the n9 in the markets where they don't need to reposition their brand. People in Brazil will buy the n9 as the new Nokia flagship, without questioning if the OS is Meego, Symbian, Android or whatever.

By the way, if I read right what Nokia has been saying in the last few months, Symbian and Meego are not dead, they will be replaced by Windows Phone in the markets where Symbian was unsuccessful. Elop said in an interview that Nokia is going to release at least 12 Symbian phones in 2012 and that Maemo/Meego/Whatever is going to live on as an experimental platform.

All I see is different strategies for different markets: Symbian is replaced by WP where it's unsuccessful (Nokia shares the marketing costs with Microsoft); Symbian stays alive for a while where it's sucessful (low marketing costs); Maemo / Meego / Whatever stays alive in the Nokia labs and developer communities with an experimental device being release every 12 to 18 months (R&D budget).

EDIT: Conclusion: there's no need to panic!

Thanks for your post. It's nice to hear a well rounded perspective on things, with a more global orientation.

Forgive me though if I have to cross my fingers, toes and eyes about the 12-18 month prediction for future releases of a Maemo/Meego device.

[gerbick]

I know about that famous tweet... I just don't find it too important, let alone contracting, especially when their history of statements is taken into account. But that is how the rumors start. After a short tweet, or a sentence taken from the context, which usually mean nothing, comes a series of bombastic titles, analyses, forum threads etc... Furthermore, it often takes several iterations to come up with a quality rumor: every co-author gives his little contribution. So we wind up with our own world of expectations, based on very few facts and lots of imagination. And then, when our expectations aren't met, we rant...

This entire forum is a cesspool of rumors, misinterpretations and awkwardly understood phrases via Google Translate that ultimately end up never either happening or we just "roll with the punches".

In this case, I think it's better to just think that it's believable only if it's obtainable or seen. They've barely supported the entirety of Maemo for 5 years fully yet (later this year will be year 6 of Maemo in total).

I highly doubt they will change their ways for the last publicly planned iteration of Maemo to be equal to the duration of the entire Maemo line.

Makes for good marketing though. Too bad I ain't buying into it. I just want a Nokia N9.

[hotnikkelz]

please stop FUD about limitited support they had said it will be supported for five years. everything eelse iks just rumors and your own conclusions!

Nokia's track record speaks volumes, you would be a fool to just accept what some random Nokia executive spews on a given day. They support their devices on a whim it seems.
However your optimism is refreshing...sorta

[Lindegaard]

with the SG2 in question, performance-wise it is great. Very fast and beautiful screen. However in terms of games, you can dl some RPG with great grafic however the SG2 is only capable of playing it for about 15mins then it overheats and shuts down(...)

In terms of size, I think it is too big + "too" slim which makes it uncomfortable to hold. Beyond 4,3inch screen will probably just annoy me.

p.s. I don have an SG2 but one of my friends have it and he is very excited (not the overheating part however ;) ) the battery time is also a major issue. He can't manage it to get above 12h even though he has task-killers ect (but then you loose the multitasking)

[jo21]

with the SG2 in question, performance-wise it is great. Very fast and beautiful screen. However in terms of games, you can dl some RPG with great grafic however the SG2 is only capable of playing it for about 15mins then it overheats and shuts down(...)

In terms of size, I think it is too big + "too" slim which makes it uncomfortable to hold. Beyond 4,3inch screen will probably just annoy me.

p.s. I don have an SG2 but one of my friends have it and he is very excited (not the overheating part however ;) ) the battery time is also a major issue. He can't manage it to get above 12h even though he has task-killers ect (but then you loose the multitasking)

i havent test battery enough, but with GPS off, it gets throught the day. just remenber to charge every night


n9 wouldbe a better device for me but i am liking so far, i finally can whatsapp!

[BwackNinja]

Now we're talking about "spiritual successors?"

This thing hasn't even come out yet and we're already talking about it's a great thing that's guaranteed failure. That's just sad. The N9 actually had a chance.

It's not coming to some major markets, the US or UK or Germany so it won't be any sort of status symbol like the iPhone has managed to be.

Unless someone else picks it up, MeeGo won't become the ubiquitous universal platform that Android managed to be.

It won't be the classic business phone that Blackberry managed to be.

Its too high priced and too high-specced to be a universal cheap phone.

It even had more to sell with than "it's open" which doesn't sell. It had the "swipe," which was it's one claim to fame, looking like it came right out of the iOS human interface guidelines and working just as smoothly.

Is it the open or simply "GNU/Linux" ideals that keep you transfixed? Is it the single piece polycarbonate shell? Is it the fact that it comes in colors other than black and the fabled white? Are you trying to support the dream of an open phone or are you trying to prove Maemo wasn't outdated or are you living in the past? We all know what you get from the other phones, the other platforms. What relevant thing does this actually bring? What advantages does this bring as a "geek phone" that jailbreaking/rooting another phone wouldn't give you?

MeeGo says libre & QT. Harmattan says swipe.

I pity Asus trying to sell MeeGo on netbooks. It might work as a nice shell over Windows 7. Those who know wouldn't buy that, they'd get a more powerful netbook and put MeeGo on it themselves. Those who don't know would wonder why nothing they have works on it.

Tablets succeeded because they didn't pretend to be computers, the iPad doesn't even pretend to have any way for you to put software on it that you don't get from the App Store, while geeks are crying for USB and HDMI.

[gerbick]

Now we're talking about "spiritual successors?"

Yep.

This thing hasn't even come out yet and we're already talking about it's a great thing that's guaranteed failure. That's just sad. The N9 actually had a chance.

The day after the N9 announcement, the Sea Ray "leak" sorta put a cap on what to expect for the N9 in regards to how Nokia was going to push it.

Then with the major markets being ignored, Nokia not giving an update that's worth a damn... did the N9 really have a chance? Or do we just want it to work out because we like what we saw?

It's not coming to some major markets, the US or UK or Germany so it won't be any sort of status symbol like the iPhone has managed to be.

Imagine the looks you'll get if you do actually score one.

Unless someone else picks it up, MeeGo won't become the ubiquitous universal platform that Android managed to be.

Intel has a word to say about that. MeeGo != Nokia. MeeGo is bigger than that. What needs to happen is that MeeGo needs to announce a different, more supported handset.

Its too high priced and too high-specced to be a universal cheap phone.

High priced, but the specs are middle of the road really, imho.

[Rugoz]

This post is meant for those who are still interested in release dates:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLfi3...feature=relmfu

For those who don't speak Portuguese, the responsible for Nokia smart devices in Latin America says in this video that the n9 will be available in Brazil by the end of Q3 2011 / beginning of Q4 2011.

My first guess is that they're sticking to the September 23rd release date.

Since Nokia is a VERY strong brand in Brazil, my second guess is that they chose to release the n9 in the markets where they don't need to reposition their brand. People in Brazil will buy the n9 as the new Nokia flagship, without questioning if the OS is Meego, Symbian, Android or whatever.

By the way, if I read right what Nokia has been saying in the last few months, Symbian and Meego are not dead, they will be replaced by Windows Phone in the markets where Symbian was unsuccessful. Elop said in an interview that Nokia is going to release at least 12 Symbian phones in 2012 and that Maemo/Meego/Whatever is going to live on as an experimental platform.

All I see is different strategies for different markets: Symbian is replaced by WP where it's unsuccessful (Nokia shares the marketing costs with Microsoft); Symbian stays alive for a while where it's sucessful (low marketing costs); Maemo / Meego / Whatever stays alive in the Nokia labs and developer communities with an experimental device being release every 12 to 18 months (R&D budget).

EDIT: Conclusion: there's no need to panic!


That is an interesting take, however I think nokia wants to phase out symbian completely even in emerging markets. If they sell the last symbian phone in 2014 they have to support it for at least 2 years, hence 2016. What will replace it? At this point it seems wp7. Everything else is currently speculation.

Edit: It would be a reasonable strategy though, they should retain their brand where it is strong. It seems obvious for me that elop has been hired to finally crack the american market. The board seems to think they lost the game because they were not present there, I tend to disagree.

[ericsson]

well, i got my galaxy sII and its like symbian belle. just with more animations.

at least it's not like Wp7 boring and not customizable.

Meego Harmattan is indeed superior. to all OS

No it's not. The more superior OS is Bada!!!!!

[danramos]

I guess there will be support and a "spiritual" successor. I just don't see nokia wasting billions on the N9 and then abandoning all its tech. The UI and Qt is gonna survive, and so will its apps. I doubt it will remain high-end though.

I think nokia will tell us more about the purpose of the N9 in the next 2 months or so. Just wait til then.

In a world where HP buys Palm then, a few months later after investing a LOT of resources and cash into shoehorning the OS onto their touchscreen device (which HAD been intended for Android), decides to ditch their own tablet, and phones as well, into the gutter... you can't see Nokia--whose CEO outright already stated his own disregard for the Maemo/Meego and Symbian platforms--wasting billions (which, by the way, I'm pretty sure, is an inaccurate estimation) on the N9 and then abandoning it? Really? Y'sure?

If that happens I'll be very pissed...
N9 not out for even a month, nor had a chance to prove itself.
Before they totally bury the chances of there ever being another high-end ph like it.

Get ready to be pissed... in 3... 2... 1... :)

Anyone that dares to ignore Chuck Norris should be punished and kicked off this forum.

My respect for you Mr. Norris.

http://pleco.org/heh/chuck-norris-approves.gif

[ericsson]

The N9 actually had a chance.

A chance for what exactly? The N9 is what it is, nothing more - nothing less. Most people will see it as a successor to the N8, C7, 5800 etc. It will sell in volumes where it is available. It is available where Nokia traditionally is strong, and coincidentally that happens to be most of the world (Sorry for the Germans and French though, but the phone can be purchased unlocked anywhere).

The most popular/hyped phone right now is the SGSII, just look at any thread about it in any forum, and you will see nothing but complaints. Most people with SGSII had iPhone before, got tired of it, and wanted something more exciting. Now they have an alternative, the N9. The N9 is fresh, it's simple, easy going, good looking, and it is hackable like no other. Finally something else than bad taste (and technically stupid) "metal and glass", something else than flimsy cheap plastic. One piece polycarbonate is cool, it's tasteful and more durable than anything you can think of, polarized curved highres AMOLED is cool and superior to any other screen technology. WP phones will also have all this, and that is good. This is what most people see, high quality, tastefulness, beauty. Then, in the store they are shown NFC, Angry birds, Twitter, facebook etc etc and the best browser on any mobile phone - and they are sold, they are sold also because they know the sound quality is the best, reception quality is the best, and the same goes for WP phones.

It will be fun to watch both the N9 and WP, and how they become the new "must have".

[vivmak]

There is no swipe on S2 but I think there is task switcher it is with pinch to expand but I agree nothing near what n900 is.

Swype is good but doesnt attract a premium price.

[casper27]

@ericsson
I don't really see the N9 or WP becoming the next "must have" any time soon but by naming convention alone alot of people are going to "upgrade" anyways from the E7 and N8. As you stated the shing new one piece case and fast browser with the usual supsects in app support will be enough for most general users to jump on board. It is only about a month after that those people will realise that they have actually upgraded to a discontinued OS. Whilst the phone may be great I can see it causing a lot of issues, I think even on here we will see a lot more general users coming on asking about updates and such as we are sybolically linked to the N9 and Meego.
I my self will still be buying one as soon as it is released as usual but I have not misconceptions about what to expect and will probably be quite happy with my new toy untill something even sparklier comes out.

[jalyst]

The Samsung Nexus Prime sounds like it's going to be even better than the SGSII series
And out in freaking October....
http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/18/samsung-nexus-prime-serving-up-ice-cream-sandwich-in-october/

If pricing is just as aggressive...
Then for most folk it's going to be unreasonable to justify the N9 over one of Samsung's offerings :(

Then there's the juggernaut that is the iPhone 5...
Plus there's rumors Nokia will announce all it's WP device/s before they finally freaking release the N9 anywhere!
[in 2wks at IFA? conference]

I find it hard to believe that Harmattan/N9 couldn't have been made buy-able at least 2mth ago.
Cut some of the feature-creep & add it in later, has worked beautifully for iOS/Android.

SIGH......

[BwackNinja]

@gerbick
The N9, even with Harmattan was the MeeGo flagship, MeeGo actually put on a device.MeeGo is uninteresting beyond Free, Open, QT, Linux. Harmattan was something that could actually be sold. Intel can try all it wants, but until it comes out with an x86 phone powerful enough to run 1080p@24 over HDMI while decoding content at that quality, (wine and windows programs would be awesome too) at the size of an iPhone with the battery capacity to last you 2 days of real use at a price that says "no harm in trying it", they are nowhere.

@ericsson
Nice phone, but apparently easy to forget. Even Nokia seems to be forgetting to actually sell it. I'll probably get mine secondhand from someone who decides that it wasn't the right choice for them.

[Rugoz]

Most people who consider buying a N9 will probably read a review first before spending that much.

There they'll read:

- Not as fast as android dual-core for some applications.
- Very good camera
- Very nice design
- Very nice UI
- Not many apps

etc. At this point some people still want to have it. And then:

- Last Meego device.

and thats it. Except for us hardcore fans :). Nokia has to promise a future for the N9 before releasing it, somehow I still think (hope) they will.

[jalyst]

Final random readings:

http://mynokiablog.com/2011/08/19/mobilefun-confirms-nokia-n9-coming-to-uk-in-very-near-future-has-play-360-speakers-on-preorder/
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/08/19/developers-interest-grown-for-meego-and-decreased-for-symbian-and-wp/
http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/08/intel-applab-desktop-summit-berlin-meego/

Some Apps:
Very simple app, but could prove to be popular.
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/08/19/vlc-remote-for-harmattan/
http://projects.developer.nokia.com/qadfilemanager
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/08/19/fmobi-updated-to-version-1-3-photoupload-photo-tagging-and-more/
http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/08/gpodder-meego-harmattan-n9-n950/
http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/08/scrobbler-maemo-nokia-n900-n9-meego-harmattan/
http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/08/cutetunes-mp3-tunes-client/
I personally don't get why this one's supposedly so awesome, but it's a quality/high-profile app nonetheless
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/08/21/4squick-updated-v0-9047-adds-photos-and-tips/
I do like this... :)
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/08/21/joikuspot-premium-wifi-hotspot-app-to-be-integrated-in-nokia-n9-and-selected-anna-handsets/
Yet another file-manager: the duplication of effort, instead of pioneering different genres, is a bit worrying.
http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/08/cute-explorer-meego-harmattan-nokia-n9-n950-aplication/

[jalyst]

:

- Last Meego device.

But that's not true, & it infuriates me when people keep citing that.
Fair-enough if it was an official line from Nokia, but it never has been.
When popular opinion is: "It's the last MeeGo device Nokia will ever make".
It has a terribly negative impact...

I want Elop to clear-that-up, once & for all, at the next major conference.
After/if WP's become more firmly seated in the market in 2012.
Will MeeGo still be actively used for at least 1x top-end ph /yr from 2013 onwards?

[jalyst]

Fujitsu to beat Nokia to the punch with Mango?
Even though the latter purportedly has "extra special" backing from MS.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/20/fujitsu-is12t-mango-phone-ready-to-launch-august-25th-already-a/

[ericsson]

@ericsson
I don't really see the N9 or WP becoming the next "must have" any time soon but by naming convention alone alot of people are going to "upgrade" anyways from the E7 and N8. As you stated the shing new one piece case and fast browser with the usual supsects in app support will be enough for most general users to jump on board. It is only about a month after that those people will realise that they have actually upgraded to a discontinued OS. Whilst the phone may be great I can see it causing a lot of issues, I think even on here we will see a lot more general users coming on asking about updates and such as we are sybolically linked to the N9 and Meego.
I my self will still be buying one as soon as it is released as usual but I have not misconceptions about what to expect and will probably be quite happy with my new toy untill something even sparklier comes out.

My point was (although it ended up being hard to see :D ), that you are already into Elops concept of ecosystem that you are making jokes about all the time. That's why I asked "had a chance for what exactly ?". But I got carried away with other things :D

What is a phone? Is it a ticket into an ecosystem, or is it a device? Probably a bit of both. What is MeeGo? Is MeeGo an ecosystem? definitely not, its a low level OS adaption. An ecosystem must be built from scratch on top of MeeGo. What is WP? It is an OS and an ecosystem, in fact it is an ecosystem that is part of several other ecosystems.

The N9 is part of Ovi ecosystem, Nokia ecosystem. Ovi is definitely not dying, it is growing rapidly, in fact it is the fastest growing ecosystem right now, but it has very little to do with MeeGo. It has lots to do with Qt, Symbian and S40, but Symbian is proven to be too inefficient as a platform (too slow and hard to develop and to develop for), so Ovi will soon be only Qt and S40. S40 and webapps is what is growing most.

How many people actually care about the ecosystem? very few. How many care about fashion? most do. Fashion creates ecosystems, ecosystems does not create fashion. SGSII is fashionable and also top of the fanboy list, not necessarily on top of the geek list. iPhone is still fashionable. But the N9 will be the hottest, and Nokia WP will have the same look.

[mikecomputing]

And whoever said that? Is that how you stop the rumors?

said what?

[Chuck Norris]

said what?

that the n9 is the best phone in the world. Ever!

[abill_uk]

Not the one I visited in Bangkok but I accept that this might be happening. Also curious as to the reason.

Which one did you visit in BKK that was open ?, can you give out the exact location please ?.

As for the reason, very simply, when the N9 does hit the stores there has to be a store open to go get it ;).

Watch out for the price from asia because for sure it will be the cheapest in the world especially in Thailand, EVEN with the rediculos exchange rate there at the moment.

[mikecomputing]

I know about that famous tweet... I just don't find it too important, let alone contracting, especially when their history of statements is taken into account. But that is how the rumors start. After a short tweet, or a sentence taken from the context, which usually mean nothing, comes a series of bombastic titles, analyses, forum threads etc... Furthermore, it often takes several iterations to come up with a quality rumor: every co-author gives his little contribution. So we wind up with our own world of expectations, based on very few facts and lots of imagination. And then, when our expectations aren't met, we rant...

it was Nokia who said it will beb supported for long. Ofcourse they may "lie" or change this. My point is, no one at TMO can actually now its NOT will be supported/limited support. It just make me pissed when people gets dissinformation based on rumors or own conclusion.

thats what I call FUD/dissinformation. if you have your own option no problem, but dont make it look like its was nokia say it. not even Elop has stated it will had limited support. He had said there will not be more Meego thats different story.

here is my personal opinion why I beleevi it will have longtime support from Nokia:

If symbian will be supported for for years with Qt its unlikely why not N9 will be supported? As I have said before N900 was a different story. Totally different framework. Gtk+ was doomed already 2008 when Nokia bought trolltech.

Qt/Symbian/Harmattan is still alive. And I am almost sure updates with Qt4.8 comes maybe already end of 2011 and Qt5.0 around Q2 2012?

that is ofcourse no official statement but its more likely by reading devblogs than much of the ******** statements in this forum in many times just rumors based on engadget och similar crap sites.

[Kozzi]

Draw Slasher for N9(50)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8dgXPPqGa0

http://mass-creation.com/drawslasher/promo/1.png
http://mass-creation.com/drawslasher/promo/4.png

[mikecomputing]

The Samsung Nexus Prime sounds like it's going to be even better than the SGSII series
And out in freaking October....
http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/18/samsung-nexus-prime-serving-up-ice-cream-sandwich-in-october/

If pricing is just as aggressive...
Then for most folk it's going to be unreasonable to justify the N9 over one of Samsung's offerings :(

Then there's the juggernaut that is the iPhone 5...
Plus there's rumors Nokia will announce all it's WP device/s before they finally freaking release the N9 anywhere!
[in 2wks at IFA? conference]

I find it hard to believe that Harmattan/N9 couldn't have been made buy-able at least 2mth ago.
Cut some of the feature creep & add it in later, has worked beautifully for iOS/Android.

SIGH......

just another overhyped crap Andriod phone and yes it may sellout N9. But could I care less!?

Personally I dont buy handsets after how many will buy it. Or if my friends has it. Or even if 99% of Todays TMO memebrs will not buy n9.

[abill_uk]

just another overhyped crap Andriod phone and yes it may sellout N9. But could I care less!?

Personally I dont buy handsets after how many will buy it. Or if my friends has it. Or even if 99% of Todays TMO memebrs will not buy n9.

Mike you will die with the N9 in your hands hahahaha i have never seen anyone so in love with a device than you :p.

[Chuck Norris]

Mike you will die with the N9 in your hands hahahaha i have never seen anyone so in love with a device than you :p.

But you will after the release.

[abill_uk]

But you will after the release.

????????????? :confused:

[reeed]

die from excitement.

[abill_uk]

die from excitement.

No i don't think so somehow, the N9 looks ok but nothing to write home about because it is coming from Nokia !.

[catbus]

I write home everyday...

[AndyNokia232]

You might have trouble writing easily on that N9 touch screen qwerty :P

[jalyst]

sigh, something we've all suspected/known for a long time, Ari finally opens his mouth:

http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/08/21/ari-jaaksi-symbian-was-a-religion-inside-nokia/
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/08/21/ari-jaaksi-symbian-religion-biggest-concern-on-maemo-was-not-how-good-it-was-but-how-it-would-affect-symbian/

[catbus]

You might have trouble writing easily on that N9 touch screen qwerty :P

What do you mean?

--
(written by my new Nokia N9)

[Chuck Norris]

A n9 and one wp7 with harware keyboard with visual studio plus Office suit will be a deadly combo.

[abill_uk]

sigh, something we've all suspected/known for a long time, Ari finally opens his mouth:

http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/08/21/ari-jaaksi-symbian-was-a-religion-inside-nokia/
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/08/21/ari-jaaksi-symbian-religion-biggest-concern-on-maemo-was-not-how-good-it-was-but-how-it-would-affect-symbian/

Yes and now everyone really hates Elop for what he has done to us.

He is worse than gadaffi ! :(

[aironeous]

sigh, something we've all suspected/known for a long time, Ari finally opens his mouth:

http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/08/21/ari-jaaksi-symbian-was-a-religion-inside-nokia/
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/08/21/ari-jaaksi-symbian-religion-biggest-concern-on-maemo-was-not-how-good-it-was-but-how-it-would-affect-symbian/

"Ari jaaksi: Symbian was a religion inside Nokia"

Exactly: All Nokia Employees believed in a religion called Symbian. When they got home from work they would bow down before the Symbian god and give thanks for their daily bread.
And him leaving Nokia in no way was him trying to get more money for doing the same or less work and taking advantage of what he learned from his juniors working on meego or symbian.

"According to him year ago MeeGo was in a very bad shape inside the company."

Yes meego was in such bad shape. For a brand new operating system it should just sweep past all other operating systems very quickly even faster than Andriod. I mean come on people! snap and pop,..... snap and pop.

"Organisation build around MeeGo back then was made impossible to work in that I could not see how I was able to do my job. – Jaaksi"

You see, he could not see how he could do his job!
Therefore it is the groups fault and they are Symbian religious and he is completely justified in accepting a big check from another company to work elsewhere.

"HP wanted me in every way possible more than Nokia and i’m not just talking about my paycheck. – Jaaksi"

HP wanted him people,.... In every way! More than Nokia. And he's not just talking about his paycheck, no way! What's a paycheck?

"He says that Nokia made huge mistake by not going after MeeGo earlier and more seriously. Something i’m sure every other people thinks as well, especially after seeing that Swipe UI."

And he's not just saying that after the fact because everyone else on the internet is saying that. He is saying this now because he feels compelled to say how much he likes meego even though he left for another company with another OS.
He never saw the swipe UI before all of us did and it was impossible for him to do his job even though he was head of maemo/meego.

"Biggest worry inside Nokia was not how good Maemo 5/N900 was or how much it could sell, but how it would affect Symbian. – Jaaksi"
Yes people he is right on this one because everybody knows that all the employees beneath him were completely unaware that a device can boot more than one OS so it ALWAYS HAS TO BE THIS OS OR THAT OS, choose because you can't have both. It can't be 2 at once. Therefore all symbian employees underneath him that liked symbian were anti maemo and vice versa.

[giorgosmit]

He is worse than gadaffi ! :(

Very much not funny. Even comedic exageration has its limits, and comparing a CEO to a lunatic with an army of goons at his disposal is well past that.

Anyway, I had suspected what Ari revealed. While Elop is not without blame for the mess Nokia is in, the set in stone ways of the company and insisting in pushing a decidedly dated in user friendliness OS has also played a key role. Every large company has internal dynamics and Maemo was probably the red haired child in Nokia long before Elop came in charge.

[Rugoz]

sigh, something we've all suspected/known for a long time, Ari finally opens his mouth:

http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/08/21/a...-inside-nokia/
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/08/21/ar...ffect-symbian/


They replaced the symbian religion with the wp7 religion :)
I think the management just didn't believe meego could cover all price points. Its the same now, they only think in numbers. Meanwhile the "resource hug" android has taken over the smartphone world.

[jalyst]

"Ari jaaksi: Symbian was a religion inside Nokia"

Exactly: All Nokia Employees believed in a religion called Symbian. When they got home from work they would bow down before the Symbian god and give thanks for their daily bread.
And him leaving Nokia in no way was him trying to get more money for doing the same or less work and taking advantage of what he learned from his juniors working on meego or symbian.

"According to him year ago MeeGo was in a very bad shape inside the company."

Yes meego was in such bad shape. For a brand new operating system it should just sweep past all other operating systems very quickly even faster than Andriod. I mean come on people! snap and pop,..... snap and pop.

"Organisation build around MeeGo back then was made impossible to work in that I could not see how I was able to do my job. – Jaaksi"

You see, he could not see how he could do his job!
Therefore it is the groups fault and they are Symbian religious and he is completely justified in accepting a big check from another company to work elsewhere.

"HP wanted me in every way possible more than Nokia and i’m not just talking about my paycheck. – Jaaksi"

HP wanted him people,.... In every way! More than Nokia. And he's not just talking about his paycheck, no way! What's a paycheck?

"He says that Nokia made huge mistake by not going after MeeGo earlier and more seriously. Something i’m sure every other people thinks as well, especially after seeing that Swipe UI."

And he's not just saying that after the fact because everyone else on the internet is saying that. He is saying this now because he feels compelled to say how much he likes meego even though he left for another company with another OS.
He never saw the swipe UI before all of us did and it was impossible for him to do his job even though he was head of maemo/meego.

"Biggest worry inside Nokia was not how good Maemo 5/N900 was or how much it could sell, but how it would affect Symbian. – Jaaksi"
Yes people he is right on this one because everybody knows that all the employees beneath him were completely unaware that a device can boot more than one OS so it ALWAYS HAS TO BE THIS OS OR THAT OS, choose because you can't have both. It can't be 2 at once. Therefore all symbian employees underneath him that liked symbian were anti maemo and vice versa.


What are you going on about....
Harmattan was most definitely in bad shape, it should have been way further along.
The original goal was to be done by roughly Dec...
I think we've fallen "way" past that date now, don't you?
Then think of the anemic/experimental ("step 5 of 6") backing of Maemo 5 before all that.
I wonder why that is?
And no harmattan wasn't screwed by the UI re-write, that was a symptom of the wider interdepartmental conflict.
You come across as being defensive of Symbian for some bizarre reason.
Symbian was given a far better chance, one that resembles the parable of "the emperors new clothes".

He never saw the swipe UI before all of us did
Of course he didn't; but he would've seen, & been involved in, early concepts.
And he was instrumental in moving towards the UI that Harmattan has now.

[Chuck Norris]

Samsung Looking for a second OS. It can be windows or meego and soon after that android is losing ground :D

The n9 is the starting point to kick android back to US where it belong.

[giorgosmit]

@ aironeous: Frankly, I don't get your attitude. Ari did indeed contribute a hell of a lot to maemo. He was one of the prime movers and shakers before he left for HP. Look at the way maemo was treated within Nokia: they released just one phone with maemo and completely snubbed it afterwards, even though it was ready for prime time, or very near it, and continued releasing cookie cutter symbians that became a running joke for phone geeks everywhere.

HP may have chickened out of webOS, but for a while it seemed that they really wanted to make the OS succeed, and treated the community as well, if not better, than Nokia treats us. Ari was not married to Nokia, nor did he sign an oath in his own blood in a moonless night while linux neckbeards chanted around him to stay for ever in Nokia's maemo department. It was not his duty to swim against the current and make maemo succeed while the Nokia board ooohed and aaaaahed and hmmmed when it came to actually supporting the damn OS. Maybe HPalm payed him more, maybe it didn't. But whatever the truth is, if there is one person in this story that does not deserve blame or spite for Nokia's situation now, it's probably Ari.

[abill_uk]

Very much not funny. Even comedic exageration has its limits, and comparing a CEO to a lunatic with an army of goons at his disposal is well past that.
e.

You just described Elop there ;) and the goons at his disposal are Microsoft :p.

I rest my case.

[Stonik]

Not the one I visited in Bangkok but I accept that this might be happening. Also curious as to the reason.

Elop's Nokia is closing Nokia Stores, as they are planning to sell WP devices mainly through the operators. Nokia's own online shops are being axed too.

[gerbick]

Samsung Looking for a second OS.

They have Bada, Android and WP7. What do you mean by "second"?

The n9 is the starting point to kick android back to US where it belong.

Stop the drugs right now.

[Rugoz]

Samsung Looking for a second OS. It can be windows or meego and soon after that android is losing ground


They already have wp7 and bada.

[gerbick]

they already have wp7 and bada.

beat you to the punch!

[ericsson]

My PUNCH is larger than your punch.

[gerbick]

My PUNCH is larger than your punch.

compensating for something?

Anyway, your cretin-like behavior is also bigger/greater than mine as well. Seriously, you're about as socially adept and knowledgeable as a troglodyte.

Cheers lad.

[Chuck Norris]

They have Bada, Android and WP7. What do you mean by "second"?

Second Main OS.

Stop the drugs right now.

The world don't want android, just don't have enough options at the moment.

[ericsson]

compensating for something?

Anyway, your cretin-like behavior is also bigger/greater than mine as well. Seriously, you're about as socially adept and knowledgeable as a troglodyte.

Cheers lad.

Calm down, if you sometimes find me less serious, it's probably because I am. No need for name calling and so on. A tiny sense of humor might help as well ;)

[gerbick]

Ever thought that I just enjoy calling lesser folks troglodytes? It's my humor.

Try to keep up son.

[catbus]

The world don't want android, just don't have enough options at the moment.

Agree:

a) iPhone (well, someone likes, others don't...)
b) Symbian (well, someone likes, only few, i reckon... And it is Nokia)
c) Bada (Bada... BadaBum! [5th element])
d) Canada

[abill_uk]

Ever thought that I just enjoy calling lesser folks troglodytes? It's my humor.

Try to keep up son.

He means it as well ;) he will be after you with his sabre in hand next :p ;).

[Daneel]

Lepton
....

[scapegoat845]

sigh, something we've all suspected/known for a long time, Ari finally opens his mouth:

http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/08/21/ari-jaaksi-symbian-was-a-religion-inside-nokia/
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/08/21/ari-jaaksi-symbian-religion-biggest-concern-on-maemo-was-not-how-good-it-was-but-how-it-would-affect-symbian/

The board should hire him back as CEO....