N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!

[catbus]

i hope the counter is for N9 release, and for the start of that 4 week campaign

it is counter for that campaign... then we wait another 4 weeks before get one...

[gerbick]

So we get a date for the Nokia 703 (aka Sea Ray) but not a definite date for the previously shown Nokia N9.

Seriously?

[tissot]

it is counter for that campaign... then we wait another 4 weeks before get one...

Yeah, that's how i get it as well reading the text.

[OVK]

Yeah, that's how i get it as well reading the text.

Yes but the campaign is for giving impressions about N9. And to give impression somebody needs to use/have a N9.

Or most probably I am just too optimistic.

[Guffaw]

Yes but the campaign is for giving impressions about N9. And to give impression somebody needs to use/have a N9.

Or most probably I am just too optimistic.

Are they giving away one N9 every day (28 in total)? :eek:

[tissot]

Yes but the campaign is for giving impressions about N9. And to give impression somebody needs to use/have a N9.

Or most probably I am just too optimistic.

Yeah you are right.
Nokia could be a bit less cryptic with these things. :)

Only thing we really know officially is that N9 will be released October in Australia so it could at worst mean September 15 + the 4 weeks till the competition ends.

[catbus]

Yes but the campaign is for giving impressions about N9. And to give impression somebody needs to use/have a N9.


Thats true! How to give/tell impressions if you can't have one? :confused:

I hope You are right (and Nokia choose Us to test Our precious). :D

[biatch0]

I'm going to take a wild guess and say that it'll be the beginning of 2012 before the N9 is widely available internationally (similar timeframe to the N900 which I only managed to get on December 31st).

I say beginning of 2012 so I won't have to come back into this thread and keep adding +1 month to my guesses for the next 3 months therefore saving some time.

[Zoxir]

LOL they're seriously doing everything they can to f@k this up huh. I mean if they had put half the effort they are puting in killing this into making meego a succes today people would be asking i-what???

[mikecomputing]

if u guys can leave without awesome camera and with a symbian 3.2 like multitask... get a galaxy sII.

a official 2000mah was just announce. i am happy i didnt wait.

GS will not come with NFC in Sweden FAIL

[mikecomputing]

gah.. thought it was meant to come in september...

*sigh*

october it is!

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/nokia-n9-meego-phone-to-sell-in-australia-in-october/story-e6frgakx-1226127359422

http://press.nokia.com.au/nokia-n9-%E2%80%9Call-screen%E2%80%9D-smartphone-available-through-all-australian-operators-and-major-retailers/

December is more likely they must make sure WP7 is ready before launch of N9....

[mikecomputing]

That video makes the N9 look stupid, well worth watching.

IF this is this sea-ray 703 device then watch out it is going to be awesome .... really.

ROTFL! U have to be kidding? You have in several threads whined about Nokia not releasing all sourcecode for N900 no you pricing an closed crap plaform from MicroNokia wtf!?

[Guffaw]

http://n9-apps.com

Hmm.

[catbus]

http://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/178.79.144.228

Well... Who knows... What n9-apps.com really is?

[rohit.hellboy]

Not sure if these have been posted earlier...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNu7kNhkkqk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kUnkFJBdu0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWDFluHXK04&feature=related

But honestly, getting tired of watching videos. I want the damn device now. Had a talk at one of the nokia stores a couple of days back. The guy was pretty confident that N9 is coming to India (yay!!) but the tentative date he gave was for late Jan-early Feb 2012 (not at all yay)

[jalyst]

That video makes the N9 look stupid, well worth watching.

IF this is this sea-ray 703 device then watch out it is going to be awesome .... really.

What are you talking about?
That video is months old.
It's the infamous searay leak.

Nokia is about to explode into something we never knew of untill now and i think it will not be long before the N900 and the N9 are well forgotten about.

Man you're so clueless... :rolleyes:
Do you deliberately try to be that way or does it come naturally?

Cause that happened with the N900 and N810? Front facing camera: check. Video chat: technically possible. Wide spread usage? No, too difficult to find someone whose setup were accidently & briefly compatible.

If Nokia stands behind a skype or xmpp+jingle vid-chat client for launch or shortly after in one of the 2 (& that'll prolly be it) major updates.
Then there's no reason why it can't be a nice feature. Not sure what you're saying?

So we get a date for the Nokia 703 (aka Sea Ray) but not a definite date for the previously shown Nokia N9.

Seriously?

Well we don't have an "official" date, yet.
Still rumourville, but I won't be surprised if it's turns out to be right.

Random readings:

R/C pilots, this is for you: RC Flyers Toolkit Box
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=76075
http://www.nfcworld.com/list-of-nfc-trials-pilots-tests-and-commercial-services-around-the-world/

[jalyst]

Nokia better be offering something extremely compelling hardware-wise for their 1st top-end WP.
Or they'll just fail to stand-out ....
There's already vendors showing-off their WP wares, & no doubt there'll more, even better ones soon.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/01/htc-titan-and-radar-wp-7-mango-phones-revealed-we-go-hands/

OMG, Engadget utters a word or two about N9!?! :rolleyes:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/01/nokia-n9-coming-to-australia-in-october-on-three-carriers/

[tissot]

Nokia better be offering something extremely compelling hardware-wise for their 1st top-end WP.
Or they'll just fail to stand-out ....
There's already vendors showing-off their WP wares, & no doubt there'll more, even better ones soon.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/01/htc-titan-and-radar-wp-7-mango-phones-revealed-we-go-hands/

Surprisingly moderate specs i got a say if that is HTC's 2011 WP lineup.
Nokia 703 that's somewhere in the mid end looks much better to me compared to that HTC mid device.

Though of course the difference is that Nokia still needs to deliver those devices in Q4. :D


OMG, Engadget utters a word or two about N9!?! :rolleyes:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/01/nokia-n9-coming-to-australia-in-october-on-three-carriers/

Hey, Engadget is actually been all fanboying N9.

[jalyst]

Surprisingly moderate specs i got a say if that is HTC's 2011 WP lineup.
Nokia 703 that's somewhere in the mid end looks much better to me compared to that HTC mid device.

Though of course the difference is that Nokia still needs to deliver those devices in Q4. :D

We don't know for sure if 703 is their mid-end, even if it is it'll prolly be their only WP this yr.
Plus 703's specs don't top this, about the same overall IMO...
And I won't be surprised is there's other Non-Nokia WP's coming this yr, that'll top 703's specs easily.
Let's wait & see.....

Hey, Engadget is actually been all fanboying N9.

Yeah I know, it's like wow dude! :D

[Stonik]

You know, there might still be a reason for the early release and all this waiting.

Apps.

If Nokia had pushed N9 to the market as soon as it was introduced, there would have been no apps. And as we know, in today's tech blogs that's all that matters. Reviews would have told everyone it's a nice device but there's no software so don't buy it. And due to the bad reviews, developers would have been even less interested of MeeGo Harmattan.

So with a "slight" delay, devkits are being delivered and coders have a few weeks to port their Symbian and Maemo projects to N9. And when Santa comes, there actually might be some apps and games to download. Even Voddler might be coming according to their forums.

[jalyst]

So with a "slight" delay, devkits are being delivered and coders have a few weeks to port their Symbian and Maemo projects to N9.

We have no idea on what sort of scale that's happening on the commercial side, as nokia won't say anything.
If it's anything like the community side, then it's a joke.... :(

If Nokia was very serious about delevoping apps for MeeGo, we would've seen far more evidence to support that by now.
It would've been far more wide-ranging, larger-scale, & vocal, & it would've started way before the official anouncement on Jun 21st.
I've seen little to suggest they're really "hard-core" about it, I see your point, but I'm very skeptcial.

Yes there's a push, but it could hardly be seen as serious, better than the N900, but not nearly enough in todays market.
Still that might be just enough for it to be more sucessful than the N900, & for us to have a better experience than we had there.
And that's all I'm hoping-for really at this stage, it's never going to become the next iPhone...

At least it seems to be getting more momentum than the N900 at the same stage, thanks to Qt underpinning everything now.

[danramos]

No the Skype is only for voice....
We have no confirmation if there'll be vid-chat at launch, despite there being a freaking camera.
Hence my request to ask them about: XMPP+Jingle(MUJI), Skype vid, or both.

I reckon we won't have it at launch....
But if Nokia's feeling generous/competent, we might get it with a major update later :(

If something isn't there at launch, don't count on it. (ala Flash 10 update for N900, Nokia's numerous WONTFIX/FIXED IN [next OS] to security fixes/bug fixes/new features, etc) Nokia seems pretty intent to push something out and then summarily ignore those customers as much as they can get away with.

Cause that happened with the N900 and N810? Front facing camera: check. Video chat: technically possible. Wide spread usage? No, too difficult to find someone whose setup were accidently & briefly compatible.

This! Exactly, this!

[erendorn]

Cause that happened with the N900 and N810? Front facing camera: check. Video chat: technically possible. Wide spread usage? No, too difficult to find someone whose setup were accidently & briefly compatible.

This! Exactly, this!

I've used skype video chat on the N900 quite some times... Not my problem that people can't leave their house too while doing so.

[mikecomputing]

We have no idea on what sort of scale that's happening on the commercial side, as nokia won't say anything.
If it's anything like the community side, then it's a joke.... :(

If Nokia was very serious about delevoping apps for MeeGo, we would've seen far more evidence to support that by now.
It would've been far more wide-ranging, larger-scale, & vocal, & it would've started way before the official anouncement on Jun 21st.
I've seen little to suggest they're really "hard-core" about it, I see your point, but I'm very skeptcial.

Yes there's a push, but it could hardly be seen as serious, better than the N900, but not nearly enough in todays market.
Still that might be just enough for it to be more sucessful than the N900, & for us to have a better experience than we had there.
And that's all I'm hoping-for really at this stage, it's never going to become the next iPhone...

At least it seems to be getting more momentum than the N900 at the same stage, thanks to Qt underpinning everything now.

Nokia is a joke in case of N9 but its upto the symbian app devs to decide if they want to make some extra money and support n9 wihoujut any extra work.

hell its VERY easy to just click "compile for harmattan" in qtcreator.

btw. new release of qtcreator/qt and qatsdk came today :)

[mikecomputing]

If something isn't there at launch, don't count on it. (ala Flash 10 update for N900, Nokia's numerous WONTFIX/FIXED IN [next OS] to security fixes/bug fixes/new features, etc) Nokia seems pretty intent to push something out and then summarily ignore those customers as much as they can get away with.



This! Exactly, this!

about flash dont come say oldest androidphones has latest flash support. (like crapy htc nmagic that was released same year as n900)

and about support:

this depends on what libs where talking about. give me one reason QT(Quick)/webkit iterations wouldnt be supported same way as symbian!?

again dont compare n900 with n9 hell its big difference in case of framework.

atleast nokia has better control on qt than they had with "patched gtk over hildon".

same goes for apps...

only reason to not support n9 is if people totally stop buy symbian/harmattam everywhere in favour of WP7 and Nokia decides to rip symbian too... thats unlikely...

[gerbick]

Weird revelation... we're bemoaning the lack of information pertaining the Nokia N9, we dislike the WP7 strategy, we wholly dislike Elop.

Yet Nokia's stock price is actually rising, Anna is out, Belle is looming and looking rather well. The Nokia 700 seems to be the next Nokia 5800 in terms of sales figures and expectations, and ultimately Nokia isn't failing as bad as we hope/like/thought/whatever.

Not saying that losing 20%+ share is a good thing... but it seems that we're all wanting and betting on a horse (Nokia N9) that we all want to win... but we're in the serious minority it seems.

Perhaps this is why we're being relegated to no definite days for the Nokia N9. Face it, Maemo isn't a real seller. It sold, but hell, the 5800 sold way more. Maemo is a community of geeks that they just don't think will buy into the N9 in record numbers - be honest, we won't buy the N9 because of Aegis security, because it doesn't have a hardware keyboard, because it doesn't look as cool as the Nokia N900 or because we're smart enough to figure out that it may be the end of the line (something a regular consumer wouldn't care about mostly), because we can't find it, or insert whatever reason you have - diehards are excluded.

The more I look at things from this direction, I see why Nokia is pulling the plug on this community. We don't matter.

I see why they kept starting/stopping/restarting the Maemo devices, OS et al. Because they could because no matter what they do, we'd complain. We'd say we were up to the task to make better... but so far, even that's never happened.

Things like the CSSU, et al... they're great things. But once new devices were given out, silence from most of those blokes. They jumped ship to Meego.com without a notice given for the most part. We're stuck with vocal trolls, geeks with hidden goals and more iPhone/Android/WP7 talk then desire for whatever Nokia will come up with next.

I think if more people bought the N900, perhaps they'd pay attention. But as it stands, what do they stand to lose? 100k customers? Quite a few shades less than million customers? About 10k forum cruisers? They're targeting the next billion.

Just thinking outside the box. Disagree or agree... I'm at least trying to figure out why nothing has been said so far in terms of definite dates, advertising or much of anything.

At least they showed it once. Thanks Nokia for that. I enjoy that bone you threw us.

[jalyst]

I'd be amazed if we don't have definite dates for most places by Sep30.
And actual availability for many places in Sept, October, & November.
If we don't, I might just buy into parts of your theory....

[gerbick]

I'd be amazed if we don't have definite dates for most places by Sep30.
And actual availability for many places in Sept, October, & November.
If we don't, I might just buy into parts of your theory....

Dude, Maemo doesn't mean anything to Nokia, not now.

And even when it did... they put a very small, but dedicated group of engineers on it.

[marxian]

Nokia is a joke in case of N9 but its upto the symbian app devs to decide if they want to make some extra money and support n9 wihoujut any extra work.

hell its VERY easy to just click "compile for harmattan" in qtcreator.

This is not the case. Even with Qt Components, there are several components that are specific to either Symbian or Meego-Harmattan. The workload is reduced, but unless your application is 'hello world', it's not as simple as clicking a button.

Some examples:

1. PageStackWindow component not available in Symbian.

2. Label component not available in Symbian

3. InfoBanner component has different methods in Symbian than the Meego-Harmattan equivalent.

4. Sheet component not available in Symbian.

5. Dialog component layout/behaviour is different in Symbian than in Meego-Harmattan.

6. MultiSelectionDialog component not available in Symbian.

7. ListItem component not available in Meego-Harmattan.

8. ListItemText component not available in Meego-Harmattan.

9. ToolIcon component not available in Symbian.

10. Available icons for ToolButton/ToolIcon differ between the two platforms.

11. TabBar component not available in Meego-Harmattan.

12. SelectionListItem component not available in Meego-Harmattan.

[pedroesteban]

Why do you keep complaining that there`s no official release date after this?

http://mynokiablog.com/2011/09/02/nokia-n9-available-at-all-major-networks-in-australia-and-all-major-retailers/

And this?

http://mynokiablog.com/2011/09/01/win-some-more-nokia-n9-one-to-win-every-day-new-countdown-at-nokia-fi/

And even this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLfi3F-lyqk
(For those who don't speak Portuguese, this Nokia executive says that the tentative release was by the end of Q3, but the N9 would definitely be available at the very begining of Q4)

Official sources from Nokia say that the N9 will be released in Australia, Finland and Brazil in October. Isn`t October good enough? Do you really need a specific date to get all anxious and to complain if it's delayed a couple of days (or even weeks)?

This recurrent "there's no release date" complaint sounds a lot like that "Elop said the N9 is the last Meego device" factoid.

By the way, the original release was September 23rd (as we saw at swipe.nokia.se), which means Nokia is going to miss the release date by a month or less.

I know many people here are anxious about the N9, but three months from official announcement to official release is definitely not a long time. The reason why it seems so long is that the last Maemo device was released almost 2 years ago and many of you were expecting the N950 to be released to the general public last year...

[BigBadGuber!]

Why do you keep complaining that there`s no official release date after this?

http://mynokiablog.com/2011/09/02/nokia-n9-available-at-all-major-networks-in-australia-and-all-major-retailers/

And this?

http://mynokiablog.com/2011/09/01/win-some-more-nokia-n9-one-to-win-every-day-new-countdown-at-nokia-fi/

And even this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLfi3F-lyqk
(For those who don't speak Portuguese, this Nokia executive says that the tentative release was by the end of Q3, but the N9 would definitely be available at the very begining of Q4)

Official sources from Nokia say that the N9 will be released in Australia, Finland and Brazil in October. Isn`t October good enough? Do you really need a specific date to get all anxious and to complain if it's delayed a couple of days (or even weeks)?

This recurrent "there's no release date" complaint sounds a lot like that "Elop said the N9 is the last Meego device" factoid.

By the way, the original release was September 23rd (as we saw at swipe.nokia.se), which means Nokia is going to miss the release date by a month or less.

I know many people here are anxious about the N9, but three months from official announcement to official release is definitely not a long time. The reason why it seems so long is that the last Maemo device was released almost 2 years ago and many of you were expecting the N950 to be released to the general public last year...


Impatience seems to be the rule on these boards. Poor Elop, barely a year on the job and they expect miracles.....

[gerbick]

Why do you keep complaining that there`s no official release date after this?

Because I'm not in Australia, Finland or Portugal. That's why I'm complaining.

Want me to take notice? Announce that ***** in the US, UK, Germany (and NOT by having to import it from Austria), France, Canada or somewhere else.

Until then, I have a right to complain. Those countries you linked to means I'm paying a currency exchange fee + import taxes + who knows what other premiums will be slammed on top of wanting one in a country that's mentioned above.

[volt]

we won't buy the N9 because of Aegis security

What's that?

Oh, and end of the line products are often the best products, the real classics. (As far as I understand things though, every Maemo product except the N810 counts as an end of the line product. (The N810 was followed by the N810 wimax.))

[gerbick]

Impatience seems to be the rule on these boards. Poor Elop, barely a year on the job and they expect miracles.....

Yep. Things like the N9, MeeGo, Maemo were all in place before he came aboard. It's the WP7 stuff that's new with him. A year later, nothing there either.

[gerbick]

What's that?

It's their DRM/security, basically (give or take)

Have a good read here (http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide/Aegis_manifest_syntax). It's a slight pain if you're deploying code or if you have to run as a privileged user - but at the same time, it's easily sidestepped on the device.

Just an extra step to do so.

[marxian]

It's their DRM/security, basically (give or take)

Have a good read here (http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide/Aegis_manifest_syntax). It's a slight pain if you're deploying code or if you have to run as a privileged user - but at the same time, it's easily sidestepped on the device.

Just an extra step to do so.

How big a problem this is depends on what you are trying to do. For application developers, it's merely a small inconvenience. You just need to create a small text file requesting the necessary permissions (e.g. tracker read/write access). However, I think Aegis could potentially hamper the efforts of those that are working close to the metal. As I understand it, there are some loopholes present on the N950, but these may be tightened for the N9.

[BigBadGuber!]

How big a problem this is depends on what you are trying to do. For application developers, it's merely a small inconvenience. You just need to create a small text file requesting the necessary permissions (e.g. tracker read/write access). However, I think Aegis could potentially hamper the efforts of those that are working close to the metal. As I understand it, there are some loopholes present on the N950, but these may be tightened for the N9.

how is the battery life on n950?

and keep obsessing about my posts.

[marxian]

how is the battery life on n950?

It generally seems OK, though I don't use the N950 as my main device every day. I think most users will need to charge the battery on a nightly basis, as with most other similar devices. On a few occasions, the battery has drained completely overnight (from a full charge). This seems to happen only after the device has been connected to my desktop machine in SDK mode, so it would seem that, after disconnecting, there are still some processes draining the battery. I've been too busy/lazy to diagnose the problem.

[BigBadGuber!]

It generally seems OK, though I don't use the N950 as my main device every day. I think most users will need to charge the battery on a nightly basis, as with most other similar devices. On a few occasions, the battery has drained completely overnight (from a full charge). This seems to happen only after the device has been connected to my desktop machine in SDK mode, so it would seem that, after disconnecting, there are still some processes draining the battery. I've been too busy/lazy to diagnose the problem.

thanks. u da man. on another one of my jubilant posts, i joked that i will pay $5000 for N950. a guy from estonia and member for less than a month sent me an email wanting to sell it to me for 5K. LOL!!

[danramos]

I've used skype video chat on the N900 quite some times... Not my problem that people can't leave their house too while doing so.

That's absolutely irrelevant to the conversation. We're commenting on Nokia's failure to delivery promised updates and software. Similarly, I could say that I've used Adobe Flash 10.3 on my Android devices (ALL of them) quite some times... not MY problem that people can't leave their N900 to get more secure and up-to-date software. ;)

about flash dont come say oldest androidphones has latest flash support. (like crapy htc nmagic that was released same year as n900)

Why not? It's true. Hell, my Motorola Droid (original) is still getting Adobe Flash updates EVEN with the current stock firmware--and that came out at about the same time as the N900. My Galaxy Tab is nearing a year soon--still getting updated software. Even the Color Nook gets updated Flash--and that's a freaking eReader tablet produced by a mere BOOKSTORE chain. Would you like me to take screenshots to show you which versions of Flash I'm running on my devices? ...or I can just type them to you if you'd like. What kind of support did Nokia promise along the way with each of these devices? What kind of support did they deliver? From what I saw, they over-promised each time.. and drastically under-delivered. Why are you so afraid of the mere mention of better support elsewhere? It's ponderous how much fear you're displaying--granted, you have to move off of Nokia to get something with better support these days, but you seem overly fearful of the mere mention. Getting back to the original point: I wouldn't buy anything from Nokia based on promised features, software or updates. Buy it ONLY if it delivers what you want at the time it's released because anything afterwards is just lucky bonuses, based on their history.

[unfuccwittable]

In all seriousness, when did Nokia promise the updates you're whining about for the N900? I don't remember hearing anything like that, and I followed that launch pretty closely. I also bought one in December '09.

[don_falcone]

ROTFL! U have to be kidding? You have in several threads whined about Nokia not releasing all sourcecode for N900 no you pricing an closed crap plaform from MicroNokia wtf!?

Maybe there are two persons/minds: ABILL and UK. One talks differently than the other. Schizophrenic?

[jalyst]

http://n9-apps.com

Hmm.

Quote:

Thanks for the kind words, support is always welcome! Also sorry for the late response, we had some issues with our email setup. The initial reaction on the site has been very positive although we haven't really pushed it except for couple of tweets. We haven't yet posted it on any forum, but there will probably be some discussion on maemo.org later on. MyNokiaBlog will also post some info on it in couple of days, probably tomorrow.

As for the service, we just aim to create a great website where developers can promote their apps, and for users, it would be really easy to find the most popular or trending apps. We started the initiative because we are really excited about the N9 and just wanted to have a great place where all the apps get to be on the spotlight that they deserve. We would also like to help developers in their promotion effort and hopefully even motivate the developers some more. In short, the service aims to be beneficial for both users and developers. In detail, we would be allowing all kinds of sources for the apps, we won't host or sell them, just make them more discoverable.

Cheers,
Mikael from N9 Apps

[delmar]

Is there any information about the languages included in N9?

We know that Nokia have configured their products according to geographical zones. In Europe or Middle-/Southeurope it is standard that included among others the German, Italian and English languages.

http://www.digitec.ch/?param=toppreise&wert=219894

In the above postet Swiss online shop is mentioned that the French and Italian language will be avaiable separately and with extra fee, but I couldn’t find this product (additional languages) in any place on their shop. This suggests that the German language will be included, because in Switzerland they speak german, french and italien.

This is something I've never heard of a Nokia smartphone and may not be possible. N900 has included, for example, a lot of languages and the same for Symbian devices.

Here on the forum I also read that installing an additional language in N9, in contrast to N900, would be very difficult or even impossible, so this will probably not be a solution.

Because I need mainly Italian, I would like to know if anyone has any information about the included languages in Europe.

Thanks to everybody will anser my question.

P.S. Sorry for my bad English, I’m trying to give my best.

[unfuccwittable]

Is there any information about the languages included in N9?

We know that Nokia have configured their products according to geographical zones. In Europe or Middle-/Southeurope it is standard that included among others the German, Italian and English languages.

http://www.digitec.ch/?param=toppreise&wert=219894

In the above postet Swiss online shop is mentioned that the French and Italian language will be avaiable separately and with extra fee, but I couldn’t find this product (additional languages) in any place on their shop. This suggests that the German language will be included, because in Switzerland they speak german, french and italien.

This is something I've never heard of a Nokia smartphone and may not be possible. N900 has included, for example, a lot of languages and the same for Symbian devices.

Here on the forum I also read that installing an additional language in N9, in contrast to N900, would be very difficult or even impossible, so this will probably not be a solution.

Because I need mainly Italian, I would like to know if anyone has any information about the included languages in Europe.

Thanks to everybody will anser my question.

P.S. Sorry for my bad English, I’m trying to give my best.
Charging extra for languages is tantamount to a restaurant selling you a drink and then charging you for the ice. This would never happen, and I'm quite certain that retailer is mistaken in regards to language support. I highly doubt that this is cause for concern.

[ysss]

Meanwhile the world is going crazy (http://www.unwiredview.com/2011/09/02/intel-to-temporarily-discontinue-meego-os-development-meego-r-i-p/)

There's a thread for that. (TM) (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=76256)

[erendorn]

That's absolutely irrelevant to the conversation.

So what was the sentence "No, too difficult to find someone whose setup were accidently & briefly compatible." about? (genuine question)

[jalyst]

Meanwhile the world is going crazy (http://www.unwiredview.com/2011/09/02/intel-to-temporarily-discontinue-meego-os-development-meego-r-i-p/)

Faaaaaaark!!!!!!!
Intel if this is true, you just give us the big middle finger.
You arseholes.... :(

[bwalter]

Weird revelation... we're bemoaning the lack of information pertaining the Nokia N9, we dislike the WP7 strategy, we wholly dislike Elop.

Yet Nokia's stock price is actually rising, Anna is out, Belle is looming and looking rather well. The Nokia 700 seems to be the next Nokia 5800 in terms of sales figures and expectations, and ultimately Nokia isn't failing as bad as we hope/like/thought/whatever.

Not saying that losing 20%+ share is a good thing... but it seems that we're all wanting and betting on a horse (Nokia N9) that we all want to win... but we're in the serious minority it seems.

Perhaps this is why we're being relegated to no definite days for the Nokia N9. Face it, Maemo isn't a real seller. It sold, but hell, the 5800 sold way more. Maemo is a community of geeks that they just don't think will buy into the N9 in record numbers - be honest, we won't buy the N9 because of Aegis security, because it doesn't have a hardware keyboard, because it doesn't look as cool as the Nokia N900 or because we're smart enough to figure out that it may be the end of the line (something a regular consumer wouldn't care about mostly), because we can't find it, or insert whatever reason you have - diehards are excluded.

The more I look at things from this direction, I see why Nokia is pulling the plug on this community. We don't matter.

I see why they kept starting/stopping/restarting the Maemo devices, OS et al. Because they could because no matter what they do, we'd complain. We'd say we were up to the task to make better... but so far, even that's never happened.

Things like the CSSU, et al... they're great things. But once new devices were given out, silence from most of those blokes. They jumped ship to Meego.com without a notice given for the most part. We're stuck with vocal trolls, geeks with hidden goals and more iPhone/Android/WP7 talk then desire for whatever Nokia will come up with next.

I think if more people bought the N900, perhaps they'd pay attention. But as it stands, what do they stand to lose? 100k customers? Quite a few shades less than million customers? About 10k forum cruisers? They're targeting the next billion.

Just thinking outside the box. Disagree or agree... I'm at least trying to figure out why nothing has been said so far in terms of definite dates, advertising or much of anything.

At least they showed it once. Thanks Nokia for that. I enjoy that bone you threw us.

Well, beside the fact that most people on this forum are interested by the N9 because of Maemo/Meego and/or Qt, there are quite a lot of reasons why this handset will be especially interesting for the end users.

Some of them are completely unrelated to the technology used behind, other ones are at least indirectly related:
- The hardware itself is probably the most interesting aspect of the N9 and the first thing the users will notice. It is nice, sexy and innovative. Sure, the CPU speed is not impressive but the design is great. Especially great.
- Of course, it is the software which makes the difference with the competitors, including WP devices. That's why Apple has been having great success so far, despites the concurrence of the other giants (Samsung, HTC and co...). In that area, the Swipe UX is just great. It is innovative, efficient, fast and pleasant to use.

The combination of the great look of the N9 and the new Swipe UX makes the N9 special and a good candidate to at least tickle the Iphone. The N9 owners will just love it!

So if gerbick is probably right as for as the Maemo/Meego community is concerned, the N9 also makes a lot of sense for the millions of potential users which do not care about the open source aspect of the phone. It *can* have a great success. Or it would have had, if...

But is is also the OS itself which makes it possible. The Meego project is known for having been developed too slowly, but it is good enough for Nokia to use it for experiments. Why? Because it is a great platform and the ideal one to reach impressive results in a short time (e.g. Multitasking, responsive UI, nice animations, Webkit, ...).

The reason why the N9 could be (or most probably: could have been) a great success is that it has the perfect combination between a great hardware, a great UX and a great platform.

Now Nokia made another choice but still takes the benefit of "experimenting" with Meego and Swipe. I have very great doubts that the Microsoft deal really makes sense for Nokia (but probably makes a lot of sense for individual people!). The next step is to observe how the N9 will be sold. I am pretty sure that all the N9 owners will make their neighbours jealous and that it will be sold extremly well. The question is: will Nokia really listen to the users and really push the N9? Let's wait and see... Until now, Nokia seems to follow a marketing strategy which is *against* the N9... And that's more than strange.

[delmar]

So if gerbick is probably right as for as the Maemo/Meego community is concerned, the N9 also makes a lot of sense for the millions of potential users which do not care about the open source aspect of the phone. It *can* have a great success. Or it would have had, if...


Problem is that the mass doesn't know that N9 is existing and/or will not be able to get it.

[bequezox]

Charging extra for languages is tantamount to a restaurant selling you a drink and then charging you for the ice. This would never happen, and I'm quite certain that retailer is mistaken in regards to language support. I highly doubt that this is cause for concern.

Really?? Office 2010 language packs around 40 usd (danish price) Here (http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/language/)

[marxian]

the Swipe UX is just great. It is innovative, efficient, fast and pleasant to use.

I would take issue with that. The basic concept is nice (swiping to get to the task switcher is intuitive), but the current implementation is too limiting. I often find it to be less productive than using Maemo 5, and the lack of 'proper' homescreens is a fail IMO. Having alternate states for applications when minimised is not an adequate replacement for homescreen widgets.

I think many N900 owners (especially those that enjoy customising their homescreens using Queen Beecon etc) will be underwhelmed by Swipe UI once the novelty has worn off.

[jalyst]

That's absolutely irrelevant to the conversation. We're commenting on Nokia's failure to delivery promised updates and software. Similarly, I could say that I've used Adobe Flash 10.3 on my Android devices (ALL of them) quite some times... not MY problem that people can't leave their N900 to get more secure and up-to-date software. ;)

We don't know yet if we won't get vid-chat & flash support, remains to be seen.
If we don't have flash at launch, then we'll never get it IMO.
Vid-chat however is still possible with the 1st or 2nd (if there is one) "major" updates.
"Assuming" it doesn't arrive with the launch....

[jalyst]

Is there any information about the languages included in N9?

We know that Nokia have configured their products according to geographical zones. In Europe or Middle-/Southeurope it is standard that included among others the German, Italian and English languages.

.

Check with QGil at the MeeGo forum....
I'm sure I've seen him say that all supported languages will be bundled w/the N9.
Unlike with some handsets Nokia sells...

I would take issue with that. The basic concept is nice (swiping to get to the task switcher is intuitive), but the current implementation is too limiting. I often find it to be less productive than using Maemo 5, and the lack of 'proper' homescreens is a fail IMO. Having alternate states for applications when minimised is not an adequate replacement for homescreen widgets.
I think many N900 owners (especially those that enjoy customising their homescreens using Queen Beecon etc) will be underwhelmed by Swipe UI once the novelty has worn off.

Why are homescreens w/widgets better than a homescreen/s with live apps?
They're just different, I don't think one is vastly superior than the other.

Nevertheless we don't know for sure...
If the configurability we now believe to not be there, won't be after release.

It remains to be seen whether....
Some parts become opened, or sufficient is already open, or work-arounds are found.
It's too early to be concluding the UI's too liimited, & the hackability's not there.

[bwalter]

I would take issue with that. The basic concept is nice (swiping to get to the task switcher is intuitive), but the current implementation is too limiting. I often find it to be less productive than using Maemo 5, and the lack of 'proper' homescreens is a fail IMO. Having alternate states for applications when minimised is not an adequate replacement for homescreen widgets.

I think many N900 owners (especially those that enjoy customising their homescreens using Queen Beecon etc) will be underwhelmed by Swipe UI once the novelty has worn off.

That's exactly the reason why the N9 is much more attractive than, let's say... the N900.

That's a very big and common mistake to make everything configurable. The users want something which just looks nice and is easy and efficient to use. The ingredients for a good usability are:
- Simple structure, where the user will not get los (e.g.: only 3 screens, no folders, no widgets)
- Fast/responsive UI
- No fancy elements which makes the software more diificult to ease by adding "visual pollution" instead of emphasizing the elements that matter.

Configurability (including custom widgets) give the opportunity to see online awful screenshots. As a result, it gives a very bad
impression on the software, even if it just because of a bad configuration.

Radical design decisions, if well-thought, make the UX better.

[afaq]

I think many N900 owners (especially those that enjoy customising their homescreens using Queen Beecon etc) will be underwhelmed by Swipe UI once the novelty has worn off.

True. WebOS uses swipe nicely and it is a pleasure to swipe up to close apps and switch between them. However on day 2 i was suddenly trying to add apps to the desktop. Don't see the reason why a perfectly fine phone screen real estate could not be used for placing shortcuts/widgets. This is backward progress.

[danramos]

Is there any information about the languages included in N9?

P.S. Sorry for my bad English, I’m trying to give my best.

I'm still holding out for SOMEBODY to support native Klingon support. ;)

Faaaaaaark!!!!!!!
Intel if this is true, you just give us the big middle finger.
You arseholes.... :(

Remember, Nokia got them to join in on this venture together and then gave them the middle finger first.

[Rugoz]

I would take issue with that. The basic concept is nice (swiping to get to the task switcher is intuitive), but the current implementation is too limiting. I often find it to be less productive than using Maemo 5, and the lack of 'proper' homescreens is a fail IMO. Having alternate states for applications when minimised is not an adequate replacement for homescreen widgets.


Personally I've never used more than 2 homescreens on any platform. It really depends on what content the notification screen can show. I've seen it displays wheather and calendar events (and maybe stuff from 3th party apps?). In general I think its a very well thought out UI and for the vast majority of users perfectly adequate. But I'm satisfied anyway if it offers the same effortless multitasking as maemo :).

[marxian]

That's exactly the reason why the N9 is much more attractive than, let's say... the N900.

That's a very big and common mistake to make everything configurable. The users want something which just looks nice and is easy and efficient to use. The ingredients for a good usability are:
- Simple structure, where the user will not get los (e.g.: only 3 screens, no folders, no widgets)
- Fast/responsive UI
- No fancy elements which makes the software more diificult to ease by adding "visual pollution" instead of emphasizing the elements that matter.

Configurability (including custom widgets) give the opportunity to see online awful screenshots. As a result, it gives a very bad
impression on the software, even if it just because of a bad configuration.

Radical design decisions, if well-thought, make the UX better.

So, how do you explain the success of Android? Which users will share your view? Existing N900 owners and geeks? Unlikely, I say. Mr Joe Average? Maybe. But he won't get to hear about the N9, and he seems to be enjoying his customisable Android homescreens (judging by the sales figures).

[bwalter]

So, how do you explain the success of Android? Which users will share your view? Existing N900 owners and geeks? Unlikely, I say. Mr Joe Average? Maybe. But he won't get to hear about the N9, and he seems to be enjoying his customisable Android homescreens (judging by the sales figures).

There is no real love for Android. It is just the only existing alternative which has all the needed features and a strong marketing behind it. Nothing to compare with the "passion" the Iphone owners have for their phone.

I am pretty sure that the N9 is more likely to produce pride and it is probably at least as good as real marketing.

Regarding the configurability, I of course do not mean that it is bad (I also belong to the minority of users who enjoy to configure everything). I just mean that is not good for the mass compared to a simple/consistent look'n feel.

[bwalter]

Problem is that the mass doesn't know that N9 is existing and/or will not be able to get it.

World-of-mouth marketing is extremely powerful. I don't know if it will be enough for the N9, but something to take into account...

[jalyst]

Be interesting to see how the N9 holds up against the Titan, it's due in "early October".
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2011/09/htc-launches-new-windows-phones-confirms-front-facing-camera-support.ars
If we're lucky the N9 will also be out then, not... hahahahaha... hahahaha!! (I think I'm going crazy)

One thing I found particularly interesting:
Both phones are equipped with front-facing cameras—1.3 megapixel on the TITAN, VGA on the Radar—confirming rumors that Windows Phone Mango would indeed support such hardware. Surprisingly, the only built-in application that can make use of the cameras is the standard camera app; it has a button for switching between the main camera and the front-facing one. Beyond that, use of the camera is up to application developers—Mango itself won't include any built-in video-calling capabilities.

Is that right?
I heard Mango would have good built-in vid-chat support?

The Titan has a gyroscope which the N9 doesn't, but I believe the N9 has evertying else:
GPS, proximity & ambient light sensors, accelerometer, compass.

The Titan's 8mp camera sounds like it might give the N9's a run for it's money:
The rear cameras, though they differ in resolution, both include a lens with a fast aperture of f/2.2, and the sensors are backside-illuminated, which should in principle give them better low-light performance than conventional sensors.

Also...
HTC is pre-installing some new applications, too. The phones will include an app for the HTC Watch streaming media services (already supported on Android), DLNA streaming, and Virtual 5.1 surround sound.

I don't really care about it's massive 4.7" display.
Res isn't that impressive, despite the screens size anyway.

[Frappacino]

the n9 is a still born...

... you have the CEO actively working against its success, and in THIS climate its even harder since they have no first mover advantage AND no 3rd party support off the starting line

why would you buy it ? because it has sexah UI ? sorry but iPhone has that demographic sewed up

we have seen this movie before for the N900, and its even gonna get worse for the n9

makes no sense to buy unless you hold FOSS above all (and that functionality AT RELEASE is everything you need)

maybe thats you, but its sure as hell NOT any significant part of the population

[delmar]

I'm still holding out for SOMEBODY to support native Klingon support. ;)


http://www.kli.org/tlh/phrases.html :)

[jalyst]

the n9 is a still born...
... you have the CEO actively working against its success, and in THIS climate its even harder since they have no first mover advantage AND no 3rd party support off the starting line<SNIP>

I think this movie looks way better than it did for the N900.
It's not going to be a runaway success, but def. better than the N900.

Very different trajectory...*
But we're repeating the same ****, so I CBF'd outlining all that again.

*So long as we don't get a release date that's constantly pushed back.
Or is protracted over 9mth+ to all it's desintation countries.

[marxian]

we have seen this movie before for the N900, and its even gonna get worse for the n9

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/4562/epicfail2.png (http://img832.imageshack.us/i/epicfail2.png/)

[Zoxir]

Be interesting to see how the N9 holds up against the Titan, it's due in "early October".
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2011/09/htc-launches-new-windows-phones-confirms-front-facing-camera-support.ars
If we're lucky the N9 will also be out then, not... hahahahaha... hahahaha!! (I think I'm going crazy)

One thing I found particularly interesting:


Is that right?
I heard Mango would have good built-in vid-chat support?

The Titan has a gyroscope which the N9 doesn't, but I believe the N9 has evertying else:
GPS, proximity & ambient light sensors, accelerometer, compass.

The Titan's 8mp camera sounds like it might give the N9's a run for it's money:


Also...


I don't really care about it's massive 4.7" display.
Res isn't that impressive, despite the screens size anyway.

Besides the impressive camre and the akwardly big screen with only 512 Ram no NFC, closed bluetooth, zune and all the other crap from MS this desvice screems Move along people Nothing to see here

[hotnikkelz]

I think i may just bite the bullet and get a nokia wp7. Don't hate me, hear me out, my needs a much simpler than you guys :) and this n9 debacle is disheartening to say the least
No hardware support is a dealbreaker and i know this phone is gonna be expensive. When i evaluate the situation.

Played with a windows phone and although it has some shortcomings it works. Here why for me if you're interested
Live tiles on my homescreen >>> widgets for me.
Office is really nice
Their email program is one of the best I've seen on a mobile device to date by a large margin
The vkb is one of the best I've seen to type on something with the linguistics code or whatever makes it work well and predictably, I'm not sure what they did, it's stellar as far as vkbs go.
Voice commands for reading and sending msgs is nice

What I'd like to have is ZERO dependency on Zune software, and USB mass storage as well as a File manager. I'm hoping that will come soon via the hacking community eventually.

Naturally after all of that I mentioned, I'm still a fan of FOSS< and I am still am NOT a fan of Nokia going the WP7 route

[Chuck Norris]

It's here. Change the thread name please.

[jalyst]

^ Wot... where?
Don't talk like that, you're going to give me a coronary.

Pricing thoughts
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1735543&p=33#r654

[unfuccwittable]

Really?? Office 2010 language packs around 40 usd (danish price) Here (http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/language/)
You're comparing apples to oranges. NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF CELL PHONES HAVE USERS EVER HAD TO PAY FOR THEIR SPECIFIC LANGUAGE. This isn't about Office 2010. The two models aren't even remotely similar. One is a company's software with which they have a stranglehold on all other competitors (and consumers). The other is AN INDUSTRY STANDARD. For ****'s sake, we should change the thread title to:

"The N9 is announced! QUICK, EVERYONE THROW COMMON SENSE OUT THE WINDOW AND ACT ******ED"

[catbus]

^ Wot... where?
Don't talk like that, you're going to give me a coronary.



Chuck usually get these toys month before we mortal...

[mikecomputing]

That's absolutely irrelevant to the conversation. We're commenting on Nokia's failure to delivery promised updates and software. Similarly, I could say that I've used Adobe Flash 10.3 on my Android devices (ALL of them) quite some times... not MY problem that people can't leave their N900 to get more secure and up-to-date software. ;)



Why not? It's true. Hell, my Motorola Droid (original) is still getting Adobe Flash updates EVEN with the current stock firmware--and that came out at about the same time as the N900. My Galaxy Tab is nearing a year soon--still getting updated software. Even the Color Nook gets updated Flash--and that's a freaking eReader tablet produced by a mere BOOKSTORE chain. Would you like me to take screenshots to show you which versions of Flash I'm running on my devices? ...or I can just type them to you if you'd like. What kind of support did Nokia promise along the way with each of these devices? What kind of support did they deliver? From what I saw, they over-promised each time.. and drastically under-delivered. Why are you so afraid of the mere mention of better support elsewhere? It's ponderous how much fear you're displaying--granted, you have to move off of Nokia to get something with better support these days, but you seem overly fearful of the mere mention. Getting back to the original point: I wouldn't buy anything from Nokia based on promised features, software or updates. Buy it ONLY if it delivers what you want at the time it's released because anything afterwards is just lucky bonuses, based on their history.

Fear what you dont get my point thats the problem.And about droid was this phone actuallöy released 2009!? AFAIK HTC magic is not supported with latest android version.

Personally I dont give a **** if the reest of the world goes Android.. I just want "open as possible" alternatives to Android. Just make me wonder whoom is most affraid?

But if everyone thinks like you and over and over talks about how Android is "sooo good" it ends same way as with Microsoft in the 90:s means there will be no alternatives.

Personally I prefer what I want not what the masses says I shall use.

The reason I disagree with you point is the facts that you and others over and over again says Nokia N9 will not be supported blablabla and I disagree on this for several reasons.

I dont want to repeat it again just read my old posts and stop this bullish about fear.

We all disagree with Nokia but give atleast N9 a chance as an open alternative to android! I dont mind discuss drawbacks with N9 but spreading FUD and bullish statements about dead device when NO ONE actually can be sure, its just pointless. We all know that Nokia sucks. But should we blame engineers working with a possible great device like N9 for this!? People who actually WANT to be as open as possible, even if the bosses inside Nokia is disagree and stupid asholes?

No, I prefer to NOT help MrFlop to kill N9.

But its seems more like your android is fearing this and thats why I is seen as a naive "fanboy" which is totally baseless ********.

So my point is I like Qt(Quick) I like Debian based dist like Meego Harmattan and I am sure the geeks can make N9 as an cool alternative to the open Android community even if we will be fewer people.

[mikecomputing]

This is not the case. Even with Qt Components, there are several components that are specific to either Symbian or Meego-Harmattan. The workload is reduced, but unless your application is 'hello world', it's not as simple as clicking a button.

Some examples:

1. PageStackWindow component not available in Symbian.

2. Label component not available in Symbian

3. InfoBanner component has different methods in Symbian than the Meego-Harmattan equivalent.

4. Sheet component not available in Symbian.

5. Dialog component layout/behaviour is different in Symbian than in Meego-Harmattan.

6. MultiSelectionDialog component not available in Symbian.

7. ListItem component not available in Meego-Harmattan.

8. ListItemText component not available in Meego-Harmattan.

9. ToolIcon component not available in Symbian.

10. Available icons for ToolButton/ToolIcon differ between the two platforms.

11. TabBar component not available in Meego-Harmattan.

12. SelectionListItem component not available in Meego-Harmattan.

This has been discussed at developer.forum.com and bugs nokia.com. My guess is they will soon merge.

soo this is not a big thing.

Just look at the history of making apps in Symbian vs N900 and Gtk+ it was A WAYYYYY bigger headache.

I remember trying make apps for S60 hell what a mess.

Now atleast the core is the same difference is some of the UI.

and btw. those components is opensource so they can very well be added as "extras" untill they fully merges.

[ericsson]

Fear what you dont get my point thats the problem.And about droid was this phone actuallöy released 2009!? AFAIK HTC magic is not supported with latest android version.

Personally I dont give a **** if the reest of the world goes Android.. I just want "open as possible" alternatives to Android. Just make me wonder whoom is most affraid?

But if everyone thinks like you and over and over talks about how Android is "sooo good" it ends same way as with Microsoft in the 90:s means there will be no alternatives.

Personally I prefer what I want not what the masses says I shall use.

The reason I disagree with you point is the facts that you and others over and over again says Nokia N9 will not be supported blablabla and I disagree on this for several reasons.

I dont want to repeat it again just read my old posts and stop this bullish about fear.

We all disagree with Nokia but give atleast N9 a chance as an open alternative to android! I dont mind discuss drawbacks with N9 but spreading FUD and bullish statements about dead device when NO ONE actually can be sure, its just pointless. We all know that Nokia sucks. But should we blame engineers working with a possible great device like N9 for this!? People who actually WANT to be as open as possible, even if the bosses inside Nokia is disagree and stupid asholes?

No, I prefer to NOT help MrFlop to kill N9.

But its seems more like your android is fearing this and thats why I is seen as a naive "fanboy" which is totally baseless ********.

So my point is I like Qt(Quick) I like Debian based dist like Meego Harmattan and I am sure the geeks can make N9 as an cool alternative to the open Android community even if we will be fewer people.

Danramos is nothing but a common android fanboy. He has no idea of what is cool.

[gerbick]

Ericsson is nothing but a common bada fanboy. He has no idea of what is cool.

[BigBadGuber!]

^ Wot... where?
Don't talk like that, you're going to give me a coronary.

Pricing thoughts
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1735543&p=33#r654

Wait 2 months. It will be 40% less. Look at N8 and E7 prices. You can get them for $350 US dollars from amazon.com

[BigBadGuber!]

Ericsson is nothing but a common bada fanboy. He has no idea of what is cool.

Ericsson thinks clearer than most of you on this board

[marxian]

Ericsson thinks clearer than most of you on this board

Yeah. His thoughts are clearly bollox. :D

[Stonik]

An electronics store worker posted to a Finnish tech site forums today, that they just got two demo units of N9. Sales begin this month.

[delmar]

You're comparing apples to oranges. NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF CELL PHONES HAVE USERS EVER HAD TO PAY FOR THEIR SPECIFIC LANGUAGE. This isn't about Office 2010. The two models aren't even remotely similar. One is a company's software with which they have a stranglehold on all other competitors (and consumers). The other is AN INDUSTRY STANDARD.

I think also that it's impossible they will sell some lnguages. But there is a remote possibility that certain languages are not on board, like Italian in my case and this because the device will not be released in my country.

[jalyst]

I'm thanking everyone for their posts now, because that's how I roll.

[mikecomputing]

Wait 2 months. It will be 40% less. Look at N8 and E7 prices. You can get them for $350 US dollars from amazon.com

E7 is still overpriced buggy crap. Hopefully Symbian Belle fixing all crapy bugs in it.

[bbin]

An electronics store worker posted to a Finnish tech site forums today, that they just got two demo units of N9. Sales begin this month.

I bet the pessimists can turn even this into something negative :D

[Cue]

You're comparing apples to oranges. NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF CELL PHONES HAVE USERS EVER HAD TO PAY FOR THEIR SPECIFIC LANGUAGE. This isn't about Office 2010. The two models aren't even remotely similar. One is a company's software with which they have a stranglehold on all other competitors (and consumers). The other is AN INDUSTRY STANDARD. For ****'s sake, we should change the thread title to:

"The N9 is announced! QUICK, EVERYONE THROW COMMON SENSE OUT THE WINDOW AND ACT ******ED"

Clearly you don't understand Nokias past language pack problems for phones of a given region. In the past they had product codes, If you take your Nokia to an official service centre they charge you to install a language pack you want (if they allow it at all) and render your warranty as void. But yes apples and oranges to you, you expect somebody to charge for something they can provide as a free download but not for providing the service of installing another language pack. Why? because it's a phone of course, it can't be done.

I agree that this thread's title should be changed but to

"The N9 is announced! QUICK, EVERYONE THROW COMMON COURTESY OUT THE WINDOW AND INSULT PEOPLE "

[gerbick]

"The N9 is announced! QUICK, EVERYONE THROW COMMON COURTESY OUT THE WINDOW AND INSULT PEOPLE "

HELL YES!

I could totally get behind this. I'm gonna go dropkick a grandmother in celebration *****es.

[mikecomputing]

Just preordered N9 with 64Gb at http://www.katshing.se/mobiler/nokia/nokia_n9-14320_22744

I guess I will be pissed in end of september when it will not be released in time :mad:

But if your from sweden and using telenor as carrier just signup there ;)

btw. check the video also.

[BigBadGuber!]

Just preordered N9 with 64Gb at http://www.katshing.se/mobiler/nokia/nokia_n9-14320_22744

I guess I will be pissed in end of september when it will not be released in time :mad:

But if your from sweden and using telenor as carrier just signup there ;)

btw. check the video also.

Did you have your head examined? 860 US dollars for N9 in sweden..............wow

[babraq]

From the TOP DOG of Nokia Czech Republic and Slovakia:

N9 will be available no later than in october and won't cost more than ~615€ incl. VAT.

Source: http://twitter.com/#!/petrkasa/status/109554703184044033

Edit: Czech Republic and Slovakia are not in the availability list.

[marxian]

From the TOP DOG of Nokia Czech Republic and Slovakia:

N9 will be available no later than in october and won't cost more than ~615€ incl. VAT.

Source: http://twitter.com/#!/petrkasa/status/109554703184044033

615€ ~= £540. Nokia are having a laugh.

[mikecomputing]

Did you have your head examined? 860 US dollars for N9 in sweden..............wow

Same price as Iphone4 with 16Gb, and I prefer N9 over such crap.

Atleast we have a carrier selling it that make the price lower:

more like: 680 us for the 64Gb

[xerxes2]

Yeah the N9 is currently listed as 20% more expensive than sgs2 but I think that when it is available in shops the price should be just about the same.

[mikecomputing]

this is redally bad news for Google Android too :( :mad:

looks like were bad in monopoly land in some year :(

http://wmpoweruser.com/microsoft-has-a-passive-economic-interest-in-mosaidnokia-deal/

[unfuccwittable]

Clearly you don't understand Nokias past language pack problems for phones of a given region. In the past they had product codes, If you take your Nokia to an official service centre they charge you to install a language pack you want (if they allow it at all) and render your warranty as void. But yes apples and oranges to you, you expect somebody to charge for something they can provide as a free download but not for providing the service of installing another language pack. Why? because it's a phone of course, it can't be done.

I agree that this thread's title should be changed but to

"The N9 is announced! QUICK, EVERYONE THROW COMMON COURTESY OUT THE WINDOW AND INSULT PEOPLE "
Leave it to clowns like you to take fringe, rare cases and treat them as the norm. I have nothing more to say on the subject other than that your experience is the EXCEPTION and NOT THE RULE. Obviously, you've dealt with this in the past and have become extremely butthurt over the situation. Enjoy carrying that torch from 3 years ago though, I'm sure someone will stop and notice you soon.

cheers, mate.

[abill_uk]

Just got told the N9 has been delayed yet again, looks like the windows device will come out first and this appears to be elops stratagy cos he wants stardom over this, something he will never get from the n9.

Was also told there will be very minimum support for it as everything has shifted in every way to the windows devices.

I really do have my doubts now about this n9 as i think everyone buying one will get even more let down than we did with the n900.

[abill_uk]

I was also told there will be a windows image available for the n900, if this is true then even though with 256 ram i think it is not dead yet by a long shot, same also for the n9 as well.

The whole Nokia show has been moved over to windows so you can completely forget about meego and maemo.

Cannot reveal my source but it is heating up now and it will be this month something happens from Nokia.
The key man beind all this needless to say is elop.

[BigBadGuber!]

Same price as Iphone4 with 16Gb, and I prefer N9 over such crap.

Atleast we have a carrier selling it that make the price lower:

more like: 680 us for the 64Gb

and iphone is fetching such a price. i was in canada 5 months ago. wanted to buy unlocked iphone. i had to make an appointment to buy my unlocked iphone and if i missed the appt by 10 min, the phone was gone and i had to make another appt.

that will not happen with n9

[gerbick]

and iphone is fetching such a price. i was in canada 5 months ago. wanted to buy unlocked iphone. i had to make an appointment to buy my unlocked iphone and if i missed the appt by 10 min, the phone was gone and i had to make another appt.

You sure that wasn't a physical or doctor's appointment? Because that sounds insane to me... that you have to have an appointment to purchase an unlocked iPhone?

Wow. Sounds incredibly stupid. Buy it through Apple or other proper vendors, be done with it.

[BigBadGuber!]

You sure that wasn't a physical or doctor's appointment? Because that sounds insane to me... that you have to have an appointment to purchase an unlocked iPhone?

Wow. Sounds incredibly stupid. Buy it through Apple or other proper vendors, be done with it.

this was 6 months ago, before unlocked became available in the US. and yes, i couldnt believe how much demand there was for the device. tells you about the incredible hype that works for apple

[jo21]

Did you have your head examined? 860 US dollars for N9 in sweden..............wow
hey some people are rich.

n9 getting bought on premium price,

microsoft its payng people to get wp7 :p

[Zoxir]

this is redally bad news for Google Android too :( :mad:

looks like were bad in monopoly land in some year :(

http://wmpoweruser.com/microsoft-has-a-passive-economic-interest-in-mosaidnokia-deal/
What did you expect from a site named wpoweruser? The same site said that the global share of win phones is higher than shown in the statistics and they based this on downloads of facebook apps. And wtf is a win phone power user anyway?? Someone that can change rigntones on his win phail???

[~phoenix~]

23rd sept it will be released..... i have just read on a german site...

[Stonik]

It seems that N9 is - suprisingly enough - getting some attention in the fashion industry. Besides the usual Yves Rocher Makeups and stuff, the Finnish Elle magazine is giving N9 smartphone to the winner of a Style Awards competition. http://www.elle.fi/muoti/style11/kilpailut/c/_a212721/voita+elle+style+awards+vippaketti/?utm_source=various&utm_medium=contestpage&utm_content=link&utm_campaign=esa11_vip-paketti

I'm sure in a few weeks we're going to see Claudia Schiffer and her friends trolling in maemo.org.

[mikecomputing]

I was also told there will be a windows image available for the n900, if this is true then even though with 256 ram i think it is not dead yet by a long shot, same also for the n9 as well.

The whole Nokia show has been moved over to windows so you can completely forget about meego and maemo.

Cannot reveal my source but it is heating up now and it will be this month something happens from Nokia.
The key man beind all this needless to say is elop.

Meego 1.3 i pissing on you WP7

http://blip.tv/carsten-munk/qt-components-harmattan-on-n900-meego-1-3-based-5508447

[mikecomputing]

What did you expect from a site named wpoweruser? The same site said that the global share of win phones is higher than shown in the statistics and they based this on downloads of facebook apps. And wtf is a win phone power user anyway?? Someone that can change rigntones on his win phail???

just look at the video also its bloomberg.

but hey continjue stick your head in the sand if you are naive enought and dont understand thnat this is big bussines and Android may very well be dead in some year.

this has happened beroe and will happen again. means we will be back with only a limited choices.

Apple or WPx :(

[jalyst]

heh, this is pretty damn cool, might get me one
http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/09/icontrolpad-supported-antsnes-meego/

[Zoxir]

just look at the video also its bloomberg.

but hey continjue stick your head in the sand if you are naive enought and dont understand thnat this is big bussines and Android may very well be dead in some year.

this has happened beroe and will happen again. means we will be back with only a limited choices.

Apple or WPx :(
Honestly I don't even care that much about android. But I know that behind android there's Google and Google is not IBM in the 90's. It has been striking back each time MS and Apple tried their usual scare tactics and it's giving them a run for their money until now. It wont be long until ballmer and the rest of the clowns realize that in order to win this fight he will need developers and not laywers. But I suppose that is hard to accept in a company that hasn't produced anything inovative EVER.

[abill_uk]

Meego 1.3 i pissing on you WP7

http://blip.tv/carsten-munk/qt-components-harmattan-on-n900-meego-1-3-based-5508447

I am not actually a WP fan but i will reserve true judgement untill i have one in my hands, as for the link.... na sorry is useless and so is the team involved, meego is dead and buried thanks to Nokia.

If all they can conjure up is some measly sd image after all this time then my point is proven, time to move on, and actually it may well be the case for everyone soon.

[mikecomputing]

Honestly I don't even care that much about android. But I know that behind android there's Google and Google is not IBM in the 90's. It has been striking back each time MS and Apple tried their usual scare tactics and it's giving them a run for their money until now. It wont be long until ballmer and the rest of the clowns realize that in order to win this fight he will need developers and not laywers. But I suppose that is hard to accept in a company that hasn't produced anything inovative EVER.

well thats why they need big hw companys like Nokia. Nokia has ALOT patent that .may very well scare away HTC and samsung from Google Android.

Android is now doomed also :/ generaly people are stupid, they go where the media say them to go. and they will buy WPx phones with help of MrFlops Nokia.

some years ago techmedia hyped Iphone then came android and it got techmedias attenttion now techmedia has raised intrests in wp.

MicroNokia real brainwatch will soon start :(

[mikecomputing]

I am not actually a WP fan but i will reserve true judgement untill i have one in my hands, as for the link.... na sorry is useless and so is the team involved, meego is dead and buried thanks to Nokia.

If all they can conjure up is some measly sd image after all this time then my point is proven, time to move on, and actually it may well be the case for everyone soon.

move to what!? WP7 on n900 you really are stupid if you think FOSS people go for that peace of ****!?

I will never ever buy that peace of **** from Nokia or someone else if this is the future I will for sure stop my intrests in the mobile techarea.

its a shame reading in a foss forum how people already has started be brainwatched by WP@strategy insidce Nokia ROTFL

TMO is really failing every seconds now....

[abill_uk]

move to what!? WP7 on n900 you really are stupid if you think FOSS people go for that peace of ****!?

I will never ever buy that peace of **** from Nokia or someone else if this is the future I will for sure stop my intrests in the mobile techarea.

its a shame reading in a foss forum how people already has started be brainwatched by WP@strategy insidce Nokia ROTFL

TMO is really failing every seconds now....

Now now mike dont get ya nickers in a twist will ya hahaha..... your well funny sometimes, brightens this dull place up thats for sure ;)

[Cue]

Leave it to clowns like you to take fringe, rare cases and treat them as the norm. I have nothing more to say on the subject other than that your experience is the EXCEPTION and NOT THE RULE. Obviously, you've dealt with this in the past and have become extremely butthurt over the situation. Enjoy carrying that torch from 3 years ago though, I'm sure someone will stop and notice you soon.

cheers, mate.


Nice way of living up to my proposed thread title. Actually no, I haven't had this problem in the past personally but I did install it for people who did when the product codes were leaked to the general public. who said anything about being the norm? but not really an exception at all and if it is it's a very pertinent exception considering that it's the same type of device, the same company, and we have a report from the swiss site about region differences.

I'm not even saying it's true but I found your insult aimed at the other user for giving an example where there is a charge for a language pack to be so hypocritical when you instead were trying to compare it to charging for ice at a restaurant. Yeah I guess the comparison to charging for ice at a restaurant is far more pertinent in your head.

Also, an exception is a little different from what you said before in all caps while insulting others

NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF CELL PHONES HAVE USERS EVER HAD TO PAY FOR THEIR SPECIFIC LANGUAGE.

[smegheadz]

it's saturday, hangover is in, and i think i'm still a little drunk but come one guys, put the passion into something worthwhile like women or alcohol and women :)

too many people are getting caught up in rumours and hearsay on what nokia or elop is doing or going to do or not doing. nobody knows (except those in nokia high up) what support the N9 will get, we can guess or assume. we don't know what they are going to do. yes we can try forecast it but to what end? i don't remember this level of forecasting on the 3210!! i don't remember people questioning if it's going to be supported for 10 years! feck me, i don't usually have a phone that i care about that much for more then 2 because there'll be something better out at that stage i'll be interested in. it's a company, not your mum.

anyone know from experience how expansys are on deliveries to ireland or in general? and if they are decent or richard heads on returns policy. had one place that insisted on the plastic wrap and the celotape be included on the return before.

[Cue]

it's saturday, hangover is in, and i think i'm still a little drunk but come one guys, put the passion into something worthwhile like women or alcohol and women :)

too many people are getting caught up in rumours and hearsay on what nokia or elop is doing or going to do or not doing. nobody knows (except those in nokia high up) what support the N9 will get, we can guess or assume. we don't know what they are going to do. yes we can try forecast it but to what end? i don't remember this level of forecasting on the 3210!! i don't remember people questioning if it's going to be supported for 10 years! feck me, i don't usually have a phone that i care about that much for more then 2 because there'll be something better out at that stage i'll be interested in. it's a company, not your mum.

anyone know from experience how expansys are on deliveries to ireland or in general? and if they are decent or richard heads on returns policy. had one place that insisted on the plastic wrap and the celotape be included on the return before.

I ordered my Samsung Q1 from expansys (in the UK) years ago and they were generally quite good and well organized. Never had to return anything so I wouldn't know about that.

[Zoxir]

well thats why they need big hw companys like Nokia. Nokia has ALOT patent that .may very well scare away HTC and samsung from Google Android.

Android is now doomed also :/ generaly people are stupid, they go where the media say them to go. and they will buy WPx phones with help of MrFlops Nokia.

some years ago techmedia hyped Iphone then came android and it got techmedias attenttion now techmedia has raised intrests in wp.

MicroNokia real brainwatch will soon start :(

Both Nokia and MS are irrelevant in the market right now and nothing shows this will change exept a few posts on nokia and s sites.

Nokia might have patents but have a lot of problems too. MS can't have another failed OS. If they enter a fight against google MS has more to lose since android is already established but if in the war with google win 8 gets hit by on of the 17000 motorola patents then it's game over for the 2 lovers(MS, Nokia)

And I agree that people are stupid, but in this fight that is against MS because stupid users remember that they messed up their PCs and Laptops that had windows on them and they do not want to have that experience on their phones. The name windows is bad publicity for the win phones which will once again fail but will provide us with a good laugh.

[Cue]

Both Nokia and MS are irrelevant in the market right now and nothing shows this will change exept a few posts on nokia and s sites.

Nokia might have patents but have a lot of problems too. MS can't have another failed OS. If they enter a fight against google MS has more to lose since android is already established but if in the war with google win 8 gets hit by on of the 17000 motorola patents then it's game over for the 2 lovers(MS, Nokia)

And I agree that people are stupid, but in this fight that is against MS because stupid users remember that they messed up their PCs and Laptops that had windows on them and they do not want to have that experience on their phones. The name windows is bad publicity for the win phones which will once again fail but will provide us with a good laugh.

what? Windows is the only thing that is actually on the up at MS. It's popular and people have no faults with it on their desktop, it's the reason MS used that brand equity and called it windows phone even though the phone doesn't have any windows or decent multitasking. Desktop computers are down though but MS continue to dominate in market share. If anything Windows Phone is bad publicity for Windows not vice versa.

[mikecomputing]

Both Nokia and MS are irrelevant in the market right now and nothing shows this will change exept a few posts on nokia and s sites.

Nokia might have patents but have a lot of problems too. MS can't have another failed OS. If they enter a fight against google MS has more to lose since android is already established but if in the war with google win 8 gets hit by on of the 17000 motorola patents then it's game over for the 2 lovers(MS, Nokia)

And I agree that people are stupid, but in this fight that is against MS because stupid users remember that they messed up their PCs and Laptops that had windows on them and they do not want to have that experience on their phones. The name windows is bad publicity for the win phones which will once again fail but will provide us with a good laugh.

Oh cmon did you ever bother read the article and WATCH the movie?

Those patents from Motorola is just garbage. Motorola has already sold out the best patents to other componys...

I am sorry saying it but it really seems Google is the looser in those patent deals and bussiness wars...

It doesnt help if Android has 200000000000000 apps or people want it. Its big bussiness as usual, evil empire Microsoft has won battles before with help of other companys or raping them and/or by FUD campaigns...

[abill_uk]

Both Nokia and MS are irrelevant in the market right now and nothing shows this will change exept a few posts on nokia and s sites.

Nokia might have patents but have a lot of problems too. MS can't have another failed OS. If they enter a fight against google MS has more to lose since android is already established but if in the war with google win 8 gets hit by on of the 17000 motorola patents then it's game over for the 2 lovers(MS, Nokia)

And I agree that people are stupid, but in this fight that is against MS because stupid users remember that they messed up their PCs and Laptops that had windows on them and they do not want to have that experience on their phones. The name windows is bad publicity for the win phones which will once again fail but will provide us with a good laugh.

Talk for yourself because i aint had any probelms at all with Windows that i could not get easily over.

At least if you got Windows on a phone you will be able to do 100% more than the N900 could because of lack of support.

Not a 100% fan of M/s but it is the way it is going and you cannot change or get out of that one, so upto you if you want to miss out on another os ;).

Wait and see, ignorance is for fools.

[Zoxir]

what? Windows is the only thing that is actually on the up at MS. It's popular and people have no faults with it on their desktop, it's the reason MS used that brand equity and called it windows phone even though the phone doesn't have any windows or decent multitasking. Desktop computers are down though but MS continue to dominate in market share. If anything Windows Phone is bad publicity for Windows not vice versa.

Xbox????? :p

People see windows as a necessary evil on their desktops. How many times have you heard people blaming MS and windows for their own screw ups. Viruses, trojan, dialer, malware, aging system, formating hard drive. Average Goe knows these words from his experience with windows on his desktop and that is why he will avoid the name windows in any device he can.

[ericsson]

what? Windows is the only thing that is actually on the up at MS. It's popular and people have no faults with it on their desktop, it's the reason MS used that brand equity and called it windows phone even though the phone doesn't have any windows or decent multitasking. Desktop computers are down though but MS continue to dominate in market share. If anything Windows Phone is bad publicity for Windows not vice versa.

WP will be great. All the big ones will push WP, and this will accelerate because they can participate in the ecosystem. Windows Phone is an open ecosystem, not hermetically sealed as Apple or mafia-controlled as Android.

Have patience. I see a great future for WP :cool:

[droitwichgas]

WP will be great. All the big ones will push WP, and this will accelerate because they can participate in the ecosystem. Windows Phone is an open ecosystem, not hermetically sealed as Apple or mafia-controlled as Android.

Have patience. I see a great future for WP :cool:


If it is so great why is WP losing market share in the US?

[mikecomputing]

Not a 100% fan of M/s but it is the way it is going and you cannot change or get out of that one, so upto you if you want to miss out on another os ;).


I prefer to have choices but you prefer to get brainwached what companys want you to use. EPIC FAIL...

[mikecomputing]

WP will be great. All the big ones will push WP, and this will accelerate because they can participate in the ecosystem. Windows Phone is an open ecosystem, not hermetically sealed as Apple or mafia-controlled as Android.

Have patience. I see a great future for WP :cool:

ROTFL, It seems atleast two people here is already brainwached by Microsoft propaganda and lies....

[abill_uk]

I prefer to have choices but you prefer to get brainwatched what companys want you to use. EPIC FAIL...

SHADAP ya nugget since when was i a bloody .... i might be brainwashed but not by microsoft thats for sure :rolleyes:.

This is rich coming from the very person on the whole of this thread BRAINWASHED with the N9 and MEEGO HA your a bigget nugget than i thought ya was :p.

[rohit.hellboy]

Searching for a useful post related to the N9 amongst all this ****

Searching...searching... searching...
Search Complete: Query not found.

[abill_uk]

Searching for a useful post related to the N9 amongst all this ****

Searching...searching... searching...
Search Complete: Query not found.

you will be lucky lad this is the n9 thread lmao.

[ericsson]

If it is so great why is WP losing market share in the US?

Nokia is great, and have zero market share in the US - even when they ruled. What is your point exactly. The US is ruled by operators, not by the free market. Mango is just excellent and this time it is coming on real quality hardware - from all the big ones. It is doomed to succeed. I am really quite puzzled by the nay sayers here. Are you blind?

Android had 1-2% market share the first 2 years at least. iOS still only have 4-5 % market share globally.

Regarding Android: Samsung sell Android, Android does not sell Samsung. From now on Samsung, HTC, Nokia and LG will sell WP (Mango), and it will start with a bang that only gets loader and loader.

http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_titan-4027.php

[abill_uk]

Nokia is great and it will start with a bang that only gets loader and loader.

http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_titan-4027.php

You mean louder and louder :p.

PS that is what Mike is doing :D

[ysss]

Angry fanboys ftw

[momcilo]

Android is now doomed also :/ generaly people are stupid, they go where the media say them to go. and they will buy WPx phones with help of MrFlops Nokia.

The number of people that can be called stupid is much lower than your theory suggests.

People are not stupid, people are UNINFORMED.

Deny them the information, and provide them with carefully chosen mixture of lies and fact, and they will believe.

[Rugoz]

Mango is just excellent and this time it is coming on real quality hardware - from all the big ones. It is doomed to succeed. I am really quite puzzled by the nay sayers here. Are you blind?


Hardware was never the problem. Android hardware isn't really special either.

Lets see, with mango I still:

cannot use phone as a usb drive.
no tethering (wtf, is that true?)
no bluetooth file transfer (?)
offline maps?

i think meego does all this. Besides that I see several fundamental mistakes in the wp7 UI which scare away conservative consumers, and believe me consumers are conservative.

Meego Harmattan still has more familiar elements despite the swipe UI. E.g. editable apps grid (iphone), drill-down and tabs navigation (iphone and android), expandable status bar (android and iphone somehow), notification screen (iphone) etc.

[ericsson]

Hardware was never the problem. Android hardware isn't really special either.

Lets see, with mango I still:

cannot use phone as a usb drive.
no tethering (wtf, is that true?)
no bluetooth file transfer (?)
offline maps?

i think meego does all this. Besides that I see several fundamental mistakes in the wp7 UI which scare away conservative consumers, and believe me consumers are conservative.

Meego Harmattan still has more familiar elements despite the swipe UI. E.g. editable apps grid (iphone), drill-down and tabs navigation (iphone and android), expandable status bar (android and iphone somehow), notification screen (iphone) etc.

A combination of unfinished OS, poor hardware (terrible quality) and the US "market" was the problem.

It is only during the last 12 months that Android has gotten traction, the last 9 is probably more correct. The number one reason is Samsung Galaxy. A true flagship that steams ahead pulling the others. Another reason is Samsung TouchViz UI that shields the average user from the total bull that Android is. Then of course HTC has something to say as well, and a few other successful devices like the X10 mini.

IMO the N9 will be extremely successful. It will be a hit, a cult item even.

[jalyst]

this is redally bad news for Google Android too :( :mad:

looks like were bad in monopoly land in some year :(

http://wmpoweruser.com/microsoft-has-a-passive-economic-interest-in-mosaidnokia-deal/

I dont get this....
There was story similar to this @mynokiablog the other day.
But it made no mention of MS benefiting...
It said MOSAID would get 1/3, & Nokia the rest.
Why the hell does MS also profit from Nokia's IP?

Surely it can't be due to the money MS paid them as part of the Feb deal?
So much has already been ceded, I don't recall a massive chunk of Nokia's IP being part of that.

*edit*
I re-read that story @mynokiablog & some of the comments.
I'm quite sure there's no profitability directly for MS here.
It's more likely that Nokia will use the arrangement in a offensive sense to compete w/Android.
And this will indirectly be to MS's advantage....

[gerbick]

Why the hell does MS also profit from Nokia's IP?

Strategic partnership would more than likely be the backdoor to benefiting from Nokia's IP.

Just a hunch.

[jalyst]

Just got told the N9 has been delayed yet again,<SNIP>
Was also told there will be very minimum support for it as everything has shifted in every way to the windows devices.
I really do have my doubts now about this n9 as i think everyone buying one will get even more let down than we did with the n900.
<SNIP>Cannot reveal my source but it is heating up now and it will be this month something happens from Nokia.
The key man beind all this needless to say is elop.

Didn't get your 30x N9's today mate?
I'm really surpsied you didn't, what you explained seemed rock-solid.
Derp, derpa derp, derp, derpa derp. Hahahaha! :D

<SNIP>too many people are getting caught up in rumours and hearsay on what nokia or elop is doing or going to do or not doing. nobody knows (except those in nokia high up) what support the N9 will get, we can guess or assume. we don't know what they are going to do. yes we can try forecast it but to what end?<SNIP>

Not Abill...
Apparently he knows all. :eek: :D

[jalyst]

Strategic partnership would more than likely be the backdoor to benefiting from Nokia's IP.

Just a hunch.

Yeah I know...
But I'm sure nothing was mentioned about that when they supposedly came clean about everything, & all ther plans in Feb.
Not convincing enough for me, dig up the original source/s 1st please Mike ;)

[mikecomputing]

Hardware was never the problem. Android hardware isn't really special either.

Lets see, with mango I still:

cannot use phone as a usb drive.
no tethering (wtf, is that true?)
no bluetooth file transfer (?)
offline maps?
.


Again thats why they need Nokia to fix it and they will doit for them...

[Rugoz]

IMO the N9 will be extremely successful. It will be a hit, a cult item even.


How could it, its not even being offered in the major high-end smartphone markets.

[N9 Apps]

Hey guys, we are for sure trying to make our best to make all the apps for N9 discoverable.

Please head over to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1081206 if you have any feedback, questions or feature requests!

[gerbick]

Hardware was never the problem. Android hardware isn't really special either.

I'll take Nvidia's Tegra line over what WP7 is currently utilizing any day.

I do see some issues...

Lets see, with mango I still:
cannot use phone as a usb drive.

But on your own machine, you can place files on there. Via the OS X Mac Connector, it's pretty easy. Not so easy via Zune software on Windows.

Or, you can use Windows Phone Device Manager (which looks/acts a WHOLE lot like the OS X version)

no tethering (wtf, is that true?)

Not true. Internet Sharing is in Mango. Now... let's see how the carriers cap it, that's a different story.

no bluetooth file transfer (?)

TouchXplorer solves this.

offline maps?

Yeah... they totally goofed with this one. But who knows... perhaps Ovi Maps solves this one - ironic, eh?

i think meego does all this. Besides that I see several fundamental mistakes in the wp7 UI which scare away conservative consumers, and believe me consumers are conservative.

I know Maemo 5 did - all but the maps, it wasn't truly fully offline, it still wanted to connect to "something", Google Maps on Android now is "as offline" as the Maemo 5 experience. Can't say that the UI will scare conservative users - WP7 or Harmattan - to be honest.

Both are rather streamlined to the point where they might gain conservative users at the cost of losing hardcore users - at least for Harmattan, that is (no desktops, no customizing the screens, no widgets, limited number/lack of customizations on menus, etc.)... to be honest, that streamlining is a good thing. Hardcore users will hack happiness into the system. Conservative/casual users will enjoy the streamlined UI.

Sorta a win-win.

Meego Harmattan still has more familiar elements despite the swipe UI. E.g. editable apps grid (iphone), drill-down and tabs navigation (iphone and android), expandable status bar (android and iphone somehow), notification screen (iphone) etc.

I need to hold it, use it before I make a decision. Gingerbread added functionality like I expected/wanted/desired.

Same for WP7 Mango. But both aren't where I want them to be for me.

We'll see.

[unfuccwittable]

Nice way of living up to my proposed thread title. Actually no, I haven't had this problem in the past personally but I did install it for people who did when the product codes were leaked to the general public. who said anything about being the norm? but not really an exception at all and if it is it's a very pertinent exception considering that it's the same type of device, the same company, and we have a report from the swiss site about region differences.

I'm not even saying it's true but I found your insult aimed at the other user for giving an example where there is a charge for a language pack to be so hypocritical when you instead were trying to compare it to charging for ice at a restaurant. Yeah I guess the comparison to charging for ice at a restaurant is far more pertinent in your head.

Also, an exception is a little different from what you said before in all caps while insulting others

Lol omg, he called someone a r3tard! quick everyone give that man a hug, he's been insulted! you can't even be serious right now.

And yes, that is an Exception. If you installed language packs on the same device for several users, that's what we call an exception, mate. If throughout the history of ALL OF NOKIA'S mobile releases, users have had to get language packs on even 20 (that's a generous number for the sake of argument) of their devices/models, then that's AN EXCEPTION. If the opposite were true and nearly every device produced by Nokia had missing languages for certain regions, that would be the RULE. But that isn't the case for Nokia, and it certainly isn't the case for ANY OTHER mobile manufacturer.

As I said earlier, your example, and that other user's example are the rare, fringe cases. The exceptions, and not the rule. So yeah, my comment about everyone abandoning common sense still stands.

Lastly, if you've been insulted by anything I've said, that certainly wasn't my intention, but if you've taken offense to it, oh well. I'm not gonna apologise over the use of r3tard (stupid language filter) nor calling you a clown. If you can't handle that, I'm not sure how you make it in real life. Enjoy the rest of your weekend, feel free to add me to your ignore list (I won't cry).

[jalyst]

A slightly more calm/collected viewpoint on the rumours surrounding Intel's imminent departure
http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/09/meegos-relationship-intel-annulled/

You never know, it could go totally the other way in a few months...
We might suddenly find a bunch of handset vendors announcing that they're standing behind it.
Intel's been very quiet on the progress of their handset silicon, they're well overdue to deliver something special.
(or anything at all really)

I highly doubt it'll happen, but the point is we really won't know until or if it does.

[jalyst]

<SNIP>
Lastly, if you've been insulted by anything I've said, that certainly wasn't my intention, but if you've taken offense to it, oh well. I'm not gonna apologise over the use of r3tard (stupid language filter) nor calling you a clown. If you can't handle that, I'm not sure how you make it in real life. Enjoy the rest of your weekend, feel free to add me to your ignore list (I won't cry).

Guys, guys, lets all give each other a hug.
Abill_UK... come here buddy... :D

[jalyst]

Forgot to post this
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=30682#post30682

*EDIT*
To be clearer...
It's about "nascent" FMRX support.

[hotnikkelz]

Hardware was never the problem. Android hardware isn't really special either.

Lets see, with mango I still:

cannot use phone as a usb drive.
no tethering (wtf, is that true?)
no bluetooth file transfer (?)
offline maps?


The 2nd is coming in mango apparently, it's up to the operators to block you if they want
The 4th can be solved with apps. Can't remember the name of it now, but I've read it somewhere

I can only wish for the first...but I guess skydrive is ok

Most people hate WP here cuz well they just don't know WP. Call it ignorance call it stubborn, I'm not sure. My experience with it has been pretty decent. I guess people here have VERY SPECIFIC needs that only the n9 can 'possibly' provide.

[hotnikkelz]

@gerbick

Why would you choose Nvidia Tegra hardware?
Is there something special about it? (genuine curiosity)

All these ARM variations seem to be too comparable to matter on the consumer side. Qualcomm, TI, Samsung Exynos, Apple A whatever, Tegra. Is there THAT much of a difference?

Personally for me, as long as my phone performs the way it is supposed to perform I'm good. If it doesn't I blame software, this is Android's biggest problem to me. Why do I lag even on dual core? and I don't with single core WP7? Inefficiency of the OS seems to be the problem imo. I have no facts though :D

[Cue]

Lol omg, he called someone a r3tard! quick everyone give that man a hug, he's been insulted! you can't even be serious right now.

And yes, that is an Exception. If you installed language packs on the same device for several users, that's what we call an exception, mate. If throughout the history of ALL OF NOKIA'S mobile releases, users have had to get language packs on even 20 (that's a generous number for the sake of argument) of their devices/models, then that's AN EXCEPTION. If the opposite were true and nearly every device produced by Nokia had missing languages for certain regions, that would be the RULE. But that isn't the case for Nokia, and it certainly isn't the case for ANY OTHER mobile manufacturer.

As I said earlier, your example, and that other user's example are the rare, fringe cases. The exceptions, and not the rule. So yeah, my comment about everyone abandoning common sense still stands.

Lastly, if you've been insulted by anything I've said, that certainly wasn't my intention, but if you've taken offense to it, oh well. I'm not gonna apologise over the use of r3tard (stupid language filter) nor calling you a clown. If you can't handle that, I'm not sure how you make it in real life. Enjoy the rest of your weekend, feel free to add me to your ignore list (I won't cry).

Again who said anything about it being the norm? Like I said his comparison showed more common sense than you comparing it to ice at a restaurant, next you'll be telling me cars should come with free unlimited refills. No I wasn't insulted since it wasn't even aimed at me but to be honest I don't know how you make it "in real life" without showing any decency. Nevertheless, I get by just fine with or without your insults.

[bequezox]

You're comparing apples to oranges. NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF CELL PHONES HAVE USERS EVER HAD TO PAY FOR THEIR SPECIFIC LANGUAGE. This isn't about Office 2010. The two models aren't even remotely similar. One is a company's software with which they have a stranglehold on all other competitors (and consumers). The other is AN INDUSTRY STANDARD. For ****'s sake, we should change the thread title to:

"The N9 is announced! QUICK, EVERYONE THROW COMMON SENSE OUT THE WINDOW AND ACT ******ED"

My bad... i forgot that nokia and MS are TOTALLY unrelated... I don't think i can think of anyone else than MS who charges extra for their language packs, i'll give you that. Just a matter of how much Nokia intends to learn from their "mentors"...?

[mikecomputing]

The 2nd is coming in mango apparently, it's up to the operators to block you if they want
The 4th can be solved with apps. Can't remember the name of it now, but I've read it somewhere

I can only wish for the first...but I guess skydrive is ok

Most people hate WP here cuz well they just don't know WP. Call it ignorance call it stubborn, I'm not sure. My experience with it has been pretty decent. I guess people here have VERY SPECIFIC needs that only the n9 can 'possibly' provide.

I dont hate WP7 personally I dont care if people use it but problem is everytime selfish Microsoft comes with something they make sure to kill compettitors!!

I want alternatives I dont want a world wefre some ashole company says "this is what you shall use"

[gerbick]

@gerbick

Why would you choose Nvidia Tegra hardware?
Is there something special about it? (genuine curiosity)

Not that it's specifically a good platform - it's been shown that many Tegra 2 exclusive programs will also work on other platforms without incident for the most part - but for some of the games... I'm enjoying my Xoom.

Games like Sprinkle, MiniGore HD, Fruit Ninja THD, Reckless Racing HD, Riptide GP, Bang Bang Racing are all pretty great looking games and they don't drop frames for the most part. And honestly? I'm willing to bet that Nvidia helps out folks with their development to ensure it's a good delivered game on that platform.

I'm tired of folks loving the daylights out of games that were released in some cases almost 20 years ago, if not further out. I played Tetris on my HP 48GX - having it on my phone does not excite me. Having played Pacman on so many platforms in the past, it doesn't excite me to play that now.

Gimme 3D graphics. Gimme Openfeint. Gimme something that supports Unity3D. Gimme something way more modern than NES and Sega Genesis games.

And if not Tegra 2 or higher, gimme hardware that doesn't struggle if I were to expect something more than just some game from 12 years ago.

All these ARM variations seem to be too comparable to matter on the consumer side. Qualcomm, TI, Samsung Exynos, Apple A whatever, Tegra. Is there THAT much of a difference?

Actually... not really. I'm not stupid enough to say otherwise. But what kills me... OMAP while a beast, I've never seen anything graphically on it that made me just go "holy ****" - whereas I've seen some rather impressive things on Exynos, Tegra, Hummingbird, et al.

And who knows... perhaps Tegra will make folks stop using the same Qualcomm chipset, incorporate dual core into WP7 and make use of something that will finally make me go "holy ****"

[mikecomputing]

nokia 801 running..................

http://www.youmobile.org/blogs/entry/Nokia-N8-01-or-Nokia-801-appeared-on-a-demo-video-with-curved-qHD-Display

[jakiman]

:oActually... not really. I'm not stupid enough to say otherwise. But what kills me... OMAP while a beast, I've never seen anything graphically on it that made me just go "holy ****" - whereas I've seen some rather impressive things on Exynos, Tegra, Hummingbird, et al.

To me, Tegra2 is much worse than OMAP or any other Cortex ARM8 or 9 SoC's due to its weak multimedia capability. (especially pointing to high profile H264 video support) OMAP 4430 used on LG Optimus 3D is as fast or faster than Galaxy S2 in terms of 3D graphics and runs all the same games. So there is no real difference. It's just that OMAP isn't used as much as Tegra2 or Qualcomm right now that's all. But that doesn't mean it's less capable at all.

[pedroesteban]

nokia 801 running..................
http://www.youmobile.org/blogs/entry/Nokia-N8-01-or-Nokia-801-appeared-on-a-demo-video-with-curved-qHD-Display

Looks like a digital mock up, in my opinion.

[unfuccwittable]

Again who said anything about it being the norm? Like I said his comparison showed more common sense than you comparing it to ice at a restaurant, next you'll be telling me cars should come with free unlimited refills. No I wasn't insulted since it wasn't even aimed at me but to be honest I don't know how you make it "in real life" without showing any decency. Nevertheless, I get by just fine with or without your insults.

You brought up an instance of you yourself installing language packs on friend's phones and IMPLIED that it was commonplace. Don't backpedal now, stand by what you wrote. You clearly tried to make it seem as if that was standard procedure. I merely stated to the OP that the likelihood of being charged for a language pack for the N9 was nearly impossible. My comparison to charging for ice cubes in a drink at a restaurant was merely to illustrate how absurd the idea of charging for languages on cell phone is. Clearly, you're too stuck on the fact that I used the word r3tard to actually use any sort of critical thinking to catch that.

Also, his example showed ABSOLUTELY NO COMMON SENSE, as it compared the software of ONE manufacturer to the practices of an ENTIRE industry.

Lastly, your comment about cars has no relevance to this conversation and only serves to illustrate how off base your argument is.

My bad... i forgot that nokia and MS are TOTALLY unrelated... I don't think i can think of anyone else than MS who charges extra for their language packs, i'll give you that. Just a matter of how much Nokia intends to learn from their "mentors"...?

I never said that Microsoft and Nokia were unrelated. But in the example you cited, they are. Microsoft Office is very much unrelated to the discussion at hand. We're speaking of software, on a cell phone, developed and manufactured by Nokia. How on Earth would the N9 be related to Microsoft Office? Yes, Microsoft has a history of charging for language packs for Microsoft Office. I know this. I've had to buy a few in my lifetime. But this isn't about a cell phone manufactured by Microsoft, but by Nokia.

So how about we play a little game. Name all of the cell phones you've ever bought (by any manufacturer) that you've had to buy extra languages for. I'll even let you include those bought by friends and family just for kicks. If the answer is more than 3, I'll buy you an N9.

[gerbick]

To me, Tegra2 is much worse than OMAP or any other Cortex ARM8 or 9 SoC's due to its weak multimedia capability. (especially pointing to high profile H264 video support) OMAP 4430 used on LG Optimus 3D is as fast or faster than Galaxy S2 in terms of 3D graphics and runs all the same games. So there is no real difference. It's just that OMAP isn't used as much as Tegra2 or Qualcomm right now that's all. But that doesn't mean it's less capable at all.

So far, you somehow took my rant about modern 3D games and made it about video. Too bad the N900 with OMAP couldn't play higher than 720p mkv files without dropping frames - if it could play those files at all.

For the record, video != 3D graphics.

The chipset capabilities, while tied together, are not intrinsically connected in regards to 3D graphics and video. Dedicated chips can help with decoding of video. Good drivers can promote 3D gaming. So far, neither were truly evident on the OMAP based N900.

I get what you're saying, but being capable versus having enough put in place to entice more than just one developer to perhaps think about doing it are two different things.

The stuff I've seen on the N900, in terms of modern 3D gaming - and I don't mean ****ing Quake II - is lagging behind everything else out there for the most part.

Agree that it doesn't equate capability. Disagree on the slide from 3D gaming to video and the N900 wasn't that capable either. I have no idea about the LG though - no experience.

[hotnikkelz]

Thanks for the explanation gerbick I kinda still don't get it though, the 'NEED' that is. Let me ask another question though

Can't a dev just make the aforementioned games for any platform and it will work well? eg. Windows phone currently has Fruit ninja, and I don't notice any dropped frames for example, and they're all qualcomm
Isn't it a matter of the software optimisation that makes these things work sweetly? at this level i.e the era of 1GHZ minimum standard.
Is it possible that your experience with Tegra was because the particular OS it was being used on was simply optimised for Tegras?

[Cue]

You brought up an instance of you yourself installing language packs on friend's phones and IMPLIED that it was commonplace. Don't backpedal now, stand by what you wrote. You clearly tried to make it seem as if that was standard procedure. I merely stated to the OP that the likelihood of being charged for a language pack for the N9 was nearly impossible. My comparison to charging for ice cubes in a drink at a restaurant was merely to illustrate how absurd the idea of charging for languages on cell phone is. Clearly, you're too stuck on the fact that I used the word r3tard to actually use any sort of critical thinking to catch that.

Also, his example showed ABSOLUTELY NO COMMON SENSE, as it compared the software of ONE manufacturer to the practices of an ENTIRE industry.

Lastly, your comment about cars has no relevance to this conversation and only serves to illustrate how off base your argument is.


No, that was your own daft assumption. Nowhere did I imply it was the norm i.e commonplace. In fact I have questioned this straw man of yours 3 times now with no answer from you. You however said it will never happen and never has. I merely said and provided proof that your belief:


NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF CELL PHONES HAVE USERS EVER HAD TO PAY FOR THEIR SPECIFIC LANGUAGE

was unfounded and you should refrain from insulting others with your ignorance. The only person backpedaling from your own argument is you. It's clear that I've hit a nerve so I will pull out of this conversation that is going nowhere.

[gerbick]

Can't a dev just make the aforementioned games for any platform and it will work well? eg. Windows phone currently has Fruit ninja, and I don't notice any dropped frames for example, and they're all qualcomm
Isn't it a matter of the software optimisation that makes these things work sweetly?

Yes, I could... and tend to do that anyway. What would be a hindrance is if I had used say OpenGL ES and it's not accelerated or even available to me on another platform. Or if I develop within Unity3D (iOS, web and Android) then I will have to take my models and use them in something else, like .NET for WP7 (DirectX?) - still finding options there, so I'm not the best person to talk about WP7 in terms of development yet to be honest.

The cool thing about a cross-platform tool is that I can pick and choose (sometimes) how it will render. OpenGL ES with high bit/high-res textures looks great but you better have acceleration to push it around - or you have to bake the look or fake the quality in your textures because you're dropping polys.

I've seen the Fruit Ninja on WP7. It actually does slow down a bit compared to my Xoom HD version. And scarily enough, the iPad HD version beats the Tegra version - especially during the moments when the particles and bonuses start kicking in. On the Xoom, I've noticed that colored lighting on objects is actually better than the iPad... but the particles are missing (it's actually a step or two behind the iOS version as of this response).

I'm all about seeing stuff like Unity3D or CoronaSDK (2D here) on Maemo or MeeGo, but I've never seen any attempt to woo those camps.

And I didn't see any want from the users here for that kind of stuff - so it wouldn't quite make sense for them to port it anyway.

Does that mean that it's not possible - I'm just one dude that tinkers in this stuff and has fun. But once you start forking into different frameworks and whatnot, they all have positives and negatives. But on Maemo, the frameworks never materialized.

Qualcomm isn't a bad platform for WP7; it's not dual core.

...at this level i.e the era of 1GHZ minimum standard.
Is it possible that your experience with Tegra was because the particular OS it was being used on was simply optimised for Tegras?

I have to say that the tools present is my biggest reasoning. Then the way it's utilized by the OS. Android on Tegra isn't optimized. And after my Mango update on my Dell Venue Pro... WP7 showed me that it could optimized a bit more - it got rather swift on just a simple update to Mango, same hardware.

The MeeGo/Maemo Harmattan OS is indubitably optimized for OMAP. But the biggest problem for me is that if I wanted to do more than create an application and make a game: Flash/Flex/AIR, Unity3D (iOS, Android, Mac, Windows, PS3, Wii, XBOX360, web - but not Linux), CoronaSDK and a few others I've historically used... I'm SOL.

And I've yet to find something to replace it for Maemo/MeeGo. And honestly, I don't have time (or ability) to roll my own 3D engine out.

[danramos]

World-of-mouth marketing is extremely powerful. I don't know if it will be enough for the N9, but something to take into account...

I think you meant 'word of mouth' (heheh.. world of mouth). And yeah--that's done wonders for Maemo so far, eh? :P Especially after so many of us have gotten burned and upset over the lousy treatment we got after trying to call Nokia support--after the incredibly bad experience of buying a product to ship off for about a month to come back either not very well repaired or comes back as a whole different model, and not even a newer Maemo device--after everything Nokia has done for Maemo and all it HASN'T done but made it sound like they would (open source requesting system, Flash support which has turned useless now, etc.).

Oh yeah--word of mouth is going to work WONDERS for a company like Nokia with its track record for lack of communication and blunders.

http://www.kli.org/tlh/phrases.html :)

Sadly--not supported by Nokia's Klingon hating racists!

Fear what you dont get my point thats the problem.And about droid was this phone actuallöy released 2009!? AFAIK HTC magic is not supported with latest android version.

Yes. Motorola Droid was release October 17, 2009 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_Droid).

Personally I dont give a **** if the reest of the world goes Android.. I just want "open as possible" alternatives to Android. Just make me wonder whoom is most affraid?

I completely agree about openness, and I'm waiting for someone to do it right--but it's hard to be afraid when I still keep getting updated software and support--even the latest 10.3 version of Flash. You seemed afraid at the very mention of that. Why did you have such a reaction?

But if everyone thinks like you and over and over talks about how Android is "sooo good" it ends same way as with Microsoft in the 90:s means there will be no alternatives.

Because it HAS been a pretty good experience. I *HAVE* been hoping to have a BETTER experience, but Nokia (which seemed like the most promising potential) turned out to be an enormous disappointment. MeeGo was a VERY hopeful change to a less monocultural open platform with LESS of that closed-source that ruined Maemo... aaaaand that seems to be falling flat on its face too--most of that seems to be thanks in great part to Nokia's move to halt participating in MeeGo and leaving Intel holding the bag.


Personally I prefer what I want not what the masses says I shall use.

The masses aren't the reason to use Android--otherwise Apple would STILL be the champion... and it's quickly losing ground to customizable and far more forgiving, open and flexible Android.

But its seems more like your android is fearing this and thats why I is seen as a naive "fanboy" which is totally baseless ********.

So my point is I like Qt(Quick) I like Debian based dist like Meego Harmattan and I am sure the geeks can make N9 as an cool alternative to the open Android community even if we will be fewer people.

Like I said, to summarize: it's hard to feel fear if you're the one on top and feeling well supported with updates. I'm not sure it's the Android people that are fearing so much as reveling and discussing in the myriad of applications, accessories and customizations available. I've never seen so much participation in the Nokia camps in all these years as I've seen just in the past TWO years since dabbling in the Android communities.

So I come back to my question: Why are you so afraid that someone else points out they're getting updates on a piece of hardware as old as yours, while you've been relegated to orphaned (beyond discontinued) status by your manufacturer, distributor, first-party as well as third party commercial developers and community?

Ericsson thinks clearer than most of you on this board

Gerbick thinks clearer than ALL of us. ALL HAIL THE HYPNOGERBICK!

An electronics store worker posted to a Finnish tech site forums today, that they just got two demo units of N9. Sales begin this month.

I bet the pessimists can turn even this into something negative :D

Utt! See! They finally have to unload themselves of their unwanted, overpriced inventory! ;)

Angry fanboys ftw

Shhhh! I'm trying to read....
http://pleco.org/heh/eating-popcorn-psych.gif

A combination of unfinished OS, poor hardware (terrible quality) and the US "market" was the problem.

It is only during the last 12 months that Android has gotten traction, the last 9 is probably more correct. The number one reason is Samsung Galaxy. A true flagship that steams ahead pulling the others. Another reason is Samsung TouchViz UI that shields the average user from the total bull that Android is. Then of course HTC has something to say as well, and a few other successful devices like the X10 mini.

IMO the N9 will be extremely successful. It will be a hit, a cult item even.

Completely ignoring the HUGE influx of new users that the Motorola Droid pulled in almost two years ago.. and then the Droid Incredible shortly after that. :P Motorola and HTC, respectively, by the way--long before Samsung jumped onboard.

Guys, guys, lets all give each other a hug.
Abill_UK... come here buddy... :D

Simmer down before I make you kiss and make up.

[gerbick]

Hypnogerbick? Should I honestly be this afraid?

[abill_uk]

EPIC POST hahaha your getting even better than gerbick ;).

Feel sorry for the people who spend all there days and nights on this thread
people like jaylst etc you all need a life instead of looking for every snippet about the n9 on the internet hahaha.

Meego is dead Maemo is dead and the n9 was dead even before it gets released but it dont stop you crazy lot does it :p.

Go with it and get a windows phone cos lets face it, aint a lot more to choose from nowerdays so what choices do you have.

This thread has made me finally realise the n9 is not going to make it as a meego phone so my interest has stopped now and moved on to other area's...... something any sensible person will also do.

[danramos]

EPIC POST hahaha your getting even better than gerbick ;).

My posts ARE even better than Gerbick's! ALL HAIL THE HYPNOGERBICK! THANK ALL HIS POSTS! ;)

[abill_uk]

I cannot wait for this thread to run out of words, it is soooooo boring now. if it were not for gerbick and danramos it would be a dead end thread.

[danramos]

I cannot wait for this thread to run out of words, it is soooooo boring now. if it were not for gerbick and danramos it would be a dead end thread.

But... won't it have lots more to say once there's an N9 to buy?

[abill_uk]

But... won't it have lots more to say once there's an N9 to buy?

What is one of them???.

[keflex]

Your reasons for migrating to Android are well-taken dan; it seems your enjoyment of your devices stems from the featureset the device possesses. Personally, a lot of my own enjoyment stems from the UI/UX of the device. This is perhaps why I find WP7 appealing and you don't.

[danramos]

Your reasons for migrating to Android are well-taken dan; it seems your enjoyment of your devices stems from the featureset the device possesses. Personally, a lot of my own enjoyment stems from the UI/UX of the device. This is perhaps why I find WP7 appealing and you don't.

Actually, its features, flexibility and support. It's kind of disappointing to find that what I still consider to be a half-closed operating system has been hacked and extended far more than what Nokia has been bloviating as open. It's especially disappointing to someone that has been running Linux, FreeBSD and Solaris 10 all over the house and has LONG moved away from Windows and Macintosh's older OS's. (I haven't owned a MacOS X system yet.) Nokia has been a major let-down.

I'm not sure that I agree that the advantage in UI/UX goes to Windows Phone 7, though, seeing as how I've seen it replicated on Android (http://market.android.com/details?id=info.tikuwarez.launcher3&hl=en) in that wonderfully flexible way that Android lets you do so--therefore pretty much negating that advantage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM36zWW7IHM). :P

[ericsson]

I dont get this....
There was story similar to this @mynokiablog the other day.
But it made no mention of MS benefiting...
It said MOSAID would get 1/3, & Nokia the rest.
Why the hell does MS also profit from Nokia's IP?

Surely it can't be due to the money MS paid them as part of the Feb deal?
So much has already been ceded, I don't recall a massive chunk of Nokia's IP being part of that.

Most people have little understanding how the world evolves. Most people educate themselves on the bits and pieces they don't understand, but some use their vivid imaginations and fabricate utter nonsense instead. You know, Elop is a Trojan and so on.

[danramos]

You know, Elop is a Trojan.

Can I quote you on that? Too late!

[mcdull]

I dont hate WP7 personally I dont care if people use it but problem is everytime selfish Microsoft comes with something they make sure to kill compettitors!!

I want alternatives I dont want a world wefre some ashole company says "this is what you shall use"

I would think that's Microsoft in 90s, now it's Google doing what Microsoft used to do.

[danramos]

I would think that's Microsoft in 90s, now it's Google doing what Microsoft used to do.

How so? Hmm?

[ericsson]

How could it, its not even being offered in the major high-end smartphone markets.

Where exactly do you think those high end smartphone markets are? Where do you think Nokia ruled with the N95 and had more than 50% of global smartphone market share? It was not the US. By todays standard, what is a "smartphone market" anyway, what is a smartphone?.

The N9 is going to markets where people change phones often (one new unit in less that 18 months), markets where people have more than one phone operational on average (typically 1.3-1.5 phone per person), markets where people in general are early adopters. It is going to free markets where operators have little to say in the matter and where people don't think twice about purchasing unlocked phones (they may still buy phones from operators, even including a plan of some kind, but that's a different subject altogether)

The N9 is going to specific European countries and to Asia including China and some other places. WP is going to more operator-controlled places like Germany and UK - and in particular the US. WP will eventually take over, but in the mean time the N9 will rock the market for a year or two and will become a classic while doing so. Harmattan may or may not disappear, but swipe is here to stay for sure, you will be surprised.

[danramos]

The N9 is going to specific European countries and to Asia including China and some other places. WP is going to more operator-controlled places like Germany and UK - and in particular the US. WP will eventually take over, but in the mean time the N9 will rock the market for a year or two and will become a classic while doing so. Harmattan may or may not disappear, but swipe is here to stay for sure, you will be surprised.

Because that's what the trends are showing?

[jalyst]

Interesting read...
http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Snowball
Particularly the PDF that's linked.

Shame Nokia will no longer have something like this on their roadmaps.
As the last or 2nd last transitional device, in the shift from maemo to pure meego + intel silicon.

[mikecomputing]

EPIC POST hahaha your getting even better than gerbick ;).

Feel sorry for the people who spend all there days and nights on this thread
people like jaylst etc you all need a life instead of looking for every snippet about the n9 on the internet hahaha.

Meego is dead Maemo is dead and the n9 was dead even before it gets released but it dont stop you crazy lot does it :p.

Go with it and get a windows phone cos lets face it, aint a lot more to choose from nowerdays so what choices do you have.

This thread has made me finally realise the n9 is not going to make it as a meego phone so my interest has stopped now and moved on to other area's...... something any sensible person will also do.


and your the biggest joke on TMO ever

[ericsson]

Because that's what the trends are showing?

I don't know what trends you are referring to regarding what you quoted, so I can't really answer. I believe more in making things happen than following some trend.

But consider Motorola (mobile). A US company that sells phones for the US market. It is zero outside the US, and the main reason for that is banality itself. They never learned how to translate their menu systems to other languages in a way that didn't make you laugh or scratch your head. Consequently they have no international experience business wise regarding end user experience, and this was the reason they went down. The phones themselves, good quality devices that can compete with the best. In the last 3-4 months they are getting some traction outside the US/UK, thanks to Android/Google, but nothing to write home about, too little - too late. Now, with the Google purchase of Motorola, this scares the living sh*t out of Samsung, SE, HTC and LG. From one day to the next, Motorola has gone from being a dead end domestic supplier with no knowledge of the world, to become an international heavy weight regarding international business know how. Obviously Motorola will sky rocket on the charts and eat large chunks out of the others, not because they make better devices than before, but because they finally have the one vital thing they have lacked before - international know how (tons of cash doesn't harm either).

The point is, technology, trends, whatever has nothing to do with this, it is a pure business opportunity that Google just had to have, and they paid whatever it took to get. Motorola + Google is dynamite.

Nokia + Microsoft is similar but different in many ways. They are creating an ecosystem, an open ecosystem for everyone to participate any way they chose, but with some basic premises at the bottom. This is also dynamite, and much more far reaching than Google+Motorola. That you people cannot see this, is quite funny actually. They may still fail, but so far, every day has been one day closer to success.

The N9 will be successful because it is too cool to miss; superb design - beautiful, superb choice of materials, dead simple UI - yet more powerful and versatile than anything. It will be sold in markets with much higher than average turn around (markets where the iPhone is out of fashion and the Galaxys already are passè or considered over-geeky toys). The N9 is marketed as the best out of the box experience ever (best UI, best camera, best browser, best navigation, best twitter-facebook-whatever, best music), and it's all true, dead true. And as I said, swipe will live on, the N9 is not the end (it may be the end for open source zealots though).

[mikecomputing]

follish blindness in this forum about mego and android thing is: we will all loose in the end except those who prefer closed platforms like WP and Iphone.

funny is how naive android people are atm. and making fun of Nokia Meego destruction.

as soon as some thirdparty help make coool apps/games for WP people will move to wp7. and then you all realise we are all in the same boat. were big companys is more important than what we want...

I just say wait and see end of 2012 will change...

whatever happens N9 will be my last device from Nokia for me. and when samsung or SE release an android with NFC i will buy that dying platform too.

[Rugoz]

Harmattan may or may not disappear, but swipe is here to stay for sure, you will be surprised.


I'm not really interested in swipe on low-end Nokia OS (s40).

[vivmak]

Is it possible to get access to development apps on N9 i.e. apps not in OVI store as we currently access thru Extras etc?

[unfuccwittable]

No, that was your own daft assumption. Nowhere did I imply it was the norm i.e commonplace. In fact I have questioned this straw man of yours 3 times now with no answer from you. You however said it will never happen and never has. I merely said and provided proof that your belief:



was unfounded and you should refrain from insulting others with your ignorance. The only person backpedaling from your own argument is you. It's clear that I've hit a nerve so I will pull out of this conversation that is going nowhere.

"NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF CELL PHONES HAVE USERS EVER HAD TO PAY FOR THEIR SPECIFIC LANGUAGE"

I'll just leave this here: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hyperbole

Forgive me, I didn't realise you were going on and on this whole time based on a ridiculous, hyperbolic, overstatement. That statement was meant to illustrate that the practice of charging for language packs on a cell phone is, relative to the number of cell phones sold throughout time is next to nonexistent. That's been my whole point this whole time. Honestly, I'm not even sure you've been reading what I've wrote. As I've said earlier, the likelihood of users having to pay for their specific language is next to zero. Your experience with languages in regard to cell phones is not representative of the average user and that's all I have to say on the subject. (you implied it was the norm in your anecdote about installing them for your friends or something along those lines.)

Hit a nerve? Lol I'm not the keyboard warrior defending others from the evils of being called r3tarded. (lol you remind me of handi man from in living color http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkQQGsOegv0) This is simply a fun way to pass the time while I'm at work. One thing's for sure, your sarcasm detector is broken, mate!

[marxian]

Is it possible to get access to development apps on N9 i.e. apps not in OVI store as we currently access thru Extras etc?

It should be possible by the time it's released. I don't think the repositories are open yet. However,I don't think they can be accessed using the stock application manager. There is a community application manager in the works.

[Guffaw]

Is it possible to get access to development apps on N9 i.e. apps not in OVI store as we currently access thru Extras etc?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcQPTTbqxys :)

[marxian]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcQPTTbqxys :)

All that does is enable the installation of non-store Debian packages. There is still no way of accessing community repositories from the 'Manage applications' part of the settings.

[Cue]

"NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF CELL PHONES HAVE USERS EVER HAD TO PAY FOR THEIR SPECIFIC LANGUAGE"

I'll just leave this here: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hyperbole

Forgive me, I didn't realise you were going on and on this whole time based on a ridiculous, hyperbolic, overstatement. That statement was meant to illustrate that the practice of charging for language packs on a cell phone is, relative to the number of cell phones sold throughout time is next to nonexistent. That's been my whole point this whole time. Honestly, I'm not even sure you've been reading what I've wrote. As I've said earlier, the likelihood of users having to pay for their specific language is next to zero. Your experience with languages in regard to cell phones is not representative of the average user and that's all I have to say on the subject. (you implied it was the norm in your anecdote about installing them for your friends or something along those lines.)

Hit a nerve? Lol I'm not the keyboard warrior defending others from the evils of being called r3tarded. (lol you remind me of handi man from in living color http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkQQGsOegv0) This is simply a fun way to pass the time while I'm at work. One thing's for sure, your sarcasm detector is broken, mate!
I'll just leave this here too
http://forums.trinituner.com/upload/data/94/backpedal1.jpg

[jalyst]

It's quite possible Nokia won't have their 1st high-end WP devices (at least in the US) until Feb/Mar 2012
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/09/04/nokia-windows-phone-mango-arriving-2012-for-usa/
They'll prolly have a mid-tier one in several EU countries before the years out, & possibly a high-end'ish one.
But evidence is mounting for nothing in North America until 2012. (some of the user comment are interesting too)

[BigBadGuber!]

It's quite possible Nokia won't have their 1st high-end WP devices (at least in the US) until Feb/Mar 2012
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/09/04/nokia-windows-phone-mango-arriving-2012-for-usa/
They'll prolly have a mid-tier one in several EU countries before the years out, & possibly a high-end'ish one.
But evidence is mounting for nothing in North America until 2012. (some of the user comment are interesting too)

Its an indication of problems. In the US their first product has to be flawless in terms of quality and function. There is no room for error in the US or no one will ever give them a chance again with tough competition coming from everyone. They need to take their time and put out the best they can

[ericsson]

I'm not really interested in swipe on low-end Nokia OS (s40).

Not even if that "low end" is running on 1 GHz processor, 1G RAM and is fully multitasking? Who said the core is S40 anyway, it could be anything, and could run on anything.

[jalyst]

EPIC POST hahaha your getting even better than gerbick ;).
Feel sorry for the people who spend all there days and nights on this thread
people like jaylst etc you all need a life instead of looking for every snippet about the n9 on the internet hahaha.

Meego is dead Maemo is dead and the n9 was dead even before it gets released but it dont stop you crazy lot does it :p.
Go with it and get a windows phone cos lets face it, aint a lot more to choose from nowerdays so what choices do you have.

This thread has made me finally realise the n9 is not going to make it as a meego phone so my interest has stopped now and moved on to other area's...... something any sensible person will also do.

LOL, at least I know what I'm thinking from one day to the next.
Oh & please stop sucking Gerbick's & Dan's dicks all the time.
It's really quite pathetic....
They make some good points sometimes, but they're not your daddy.

I cannot wait for this thread to run out of words, it is soooooo boring now. if it were not for gerbick and danramos it would be a dead end thread.

:rolleyes:

Most people have little understanding how the world evolves. Most people educate themselves on the bits and pieces they don't understand, but some use their vivid imaginations and fabricate utter nonsense instead. You know, Elop is a Trojan and so on.

Thanks....
But I'm not sure how that really addresses my post (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1081156#post1081156).
What is the main point you are getting at?

[marxian]

Well, we don't have Harmattan/N9 yet...
Bit early to be making that call don't you think?
WP's been out on phones for yonks now.
In what ways has it been hack/extended far more than maemo/meego's been or will?
I thought you hadn't owned or use a WP phone yet?


I think danramos was comparing Android to Maemo 5.

[jalyst]

My bad, comment/qns removed.

[hotnikkelz]

@gerbick
WP7 uses XNA framework for their 2d/3dgames. Makes development much easier to be honest. As devs will say it minimises boilerplate code.
Anyway I get what you mean now, but it seems you agree with me for the most part. That software optimisation is the key.

Meego/harmattan optimised for TI OMAP
Android...well I've got no idea, that could explain why some lag, some lag less. Although i expected your Xoom to run games better as it's more powerful. I have played with a Xoom before and i get lags in other places though
iOS optimised for their A whatever. Typical Apple, no surprise
WP7 Mango brings more optimisation to qualcomm

[rohit.hellboy]

I'll just leave this here too
http://forums.trinituner.com/upload/data/94/backpedal1.jpg

Dont know why but the guy in the pic looks like steve ballmer. :p

[gerbick]

Dont know why but the guy in the pic looks like steve ballmer.

I don't see his trademarked tongue being out look... nor sweat stains... or his full-on raging boner for screwing over some company.

Naw. I don't see it.

[xerxes2]

Dunno if this is mentioned yet but TI is soon going to release a complete 2d driver for Omap socs.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTg3MA

TI's developer also explained in the forum why they haven't made the 3d parts open source yet.
http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?60111-Texas-Instruments-Has-New-Open-Source-Driver&p=226179#post226179

Now as Intel is also using sgx for some socs there still is hope that imgtec will give up beeing hostile towards open source drivers.

Edit: If the rest of the driver is working properly there might be a chance to reverse engineer the 3d part. Afaik the open source Nouveau 3d driver for Nvidia chips is 100% made without any help from Nvidia whatsoever so it might be possible to do the same for sgx.

[tissot]

SwipeManager for N9. Nice idea.
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/09/04/swipemanager-for-n9/

[jo21]

TI OMAP main advance other SoC it's battery life.

and also they use PoweVR chips for the SoC. which are pretty decent.

bounce 3d version n900 looked quite nice for an old hardware, sadly it's the only game that show it, and it was was done by the guys of Rovio. (angry birds).

on specs n900 support same opengl set than ps3. but inferior hardware.

[gryedouge]

Just some OT irony for those that can handle it :rolleyes:

Being lurking over at forums.precentral.net for the past 2 weeks. I think we should all join up...they have lost all their dinky WebOS toys and there is doubt about the future of WebOS.

SImilar to TMO/Nokia Land...we have lost all our dinky Maemo/Meego toys and there is no doubt about the future of Maemo/Meego and Nokia :p

[ste-phan]

Just some OT irony for those that can handle it :rolleyes:

Being lurking over at forums.precentral.net for the past 2 weeks. I think we should all join up...they have lost all their dinky WebOS toys and there is doubt about the future of WebOS.

SImilar to TMO/Nokia Land...we have lost all our dinky Maemo/Meego toys and there is no doubt about the future of Maemo/Meego and Nokia :p

Did already - scored a Pre 3 and an account on the forum to create some fan noise. (this phone beats iPhone4 but still sux compared to N900 blah blah :rolleyes: ) The required app(le) store activation procedure for this phone make me feel like I just got a dog out of the asylum and the first thing it did was pissing all around my living room. But it's ok and also exclusive :p

[danramos]

The N9 is going to specific European countries and to Asia including China and some other places. WP is going to more operator-controlled places like Germany and UK - and in particular the US. WP will eventually take over, but in the mean time the N9 will rock the market for a year or two and will become a classic while doing so. Harmattan may or may not disappear, but swipe is here to stay for sure, you will be surprised.

Because that's what the trends are showing?

I don't know what trends you are referring to regarding what you quoted, so I can't really answer. I believe more in making things happen than following some trend.

I'm talking about your claim that WP7 will take-over. Is that based on some kind of trend or something? How did you arrive at that?

[danramos]

Dunno if this is mentioned yet but TI is soon going to release a complete 2d driver for Omap socs.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTg3MA

TI's developer also explained in the forum why they haven't made the 3d parts open source yet.
http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?60111-Texas-Instruments-Has-New-Open-Source-Driver&p=226179#post226179

Now as Intel is also using sgx for some socs there still is hope that imgtec will give up beeing hostile towards open source drivers.

Edit: If the rest of the driver is working properly there might be a chance to reverse engineer the 3d part. Afaik the open source Nouveau 3d driver for Nvidia chips is 100% made without any help from Nvidia whatsoever so it might be possible to do the same for sgx.

Would this FINALLY include the goddam elusive N8x0 drivers for video? This comes a little late for the Maemo line, it seems. The whole platform is already dying off. Texas Instruments (and IMG, apparently). Great job letting us down.

[mikecomputing]

If we read updated FAQ between the lines I begining to wonder:

first of I really think N9 will be supported but question is how? Could it actually be in a different way than FOSS people like me hopes :(

something abill_uk and erisson will like too ;)

Just say they Nokia in a half year and saying "you will now get a free upgrade to wp8" Yeha..o

that would be the best strategy for wp fanboys like abilluk/ericsson and mrflop.

but at tthe same time. I dont care cause I know MeegoCE will continue same way as linux on desktop. The FOSS will continue pissing on MrFlop wp strategy.

[marxian]

I dont care cause I know MeegoCE will continue same way as linux on desktop. The FOSS will continue pissing on MrFlop wp strategy.

It will be like pissing in an ocean. Nobody will notice.

MeeGo does not (and probably never will) have the critical mass of users necessary to ensure longevity. Andriod (for example) does, which is why there is so much development activity on that platform. There is a good chance that, in a couple of years time (maybe less), any MeeGo devs will have moved on to the next big promise.

No hardware == no users == no devs == no future

[abill_uk]

If we read updated FAQ between the lines I begining to wonder:

first of I really think N9 will be supported but question is how? Could it actually be in a different way than FOSS people like me hopes :(

something abill_uk and erisson will like too ;)

Just say they Nokia in a half year and saying "you will now get a free upgrade to wp8" Yeha..o

that would be the best strategy for wp fanboys like abilluk/ericsson and mrflop.

but at tthe same time. I dont care cause I know MeegoCE will continue same way as linux on desktop. The FOSS will continue pissing on MrFlop wp strategy.

The difference between you and me is clear, i am a realist not a dreamer like you ;) and you REALLY need to read marxian's post above me to see why your a dreamer.

WP is where it is going Mike unlike meego not going anywhere and the realists of this world tend to go with the trend unlike you.

Get to reality Mike or your dreams will be shattered for sure sorry to tell you.

[mikecomputing]

Just some OT irony for those that can handle it :rolleyes:

Being lurking over at forums.precentral.net for the past 2 weeks. I think we should all join up...they have lost all their dinky WebOS toys and there is doubt about the future of WebOS.

SImilar to TMO/Nokia Land...we have lost all our dinky Maemo/Meego toys and there is no doubt about the future of Maemo/Meego and Nokia :p

so you mean all the FOSS people shall continue whine in a new forum instead of contribute to FOSS projects.

yeah very constructive I guess this is what the HP CEO and Nokiia CEO likes. make sure FOSS dies with negative feelings in all forums.


No thanks its enought with a dying TMO...

[abill_uk]

It will be like pissing in an ocean. Nobody will notice.

MeeGo does not (and probably never will) have the critical mass of users necessary to ensure longevity. Andriod (for example) does, which is why there is so much development activity on that platform. There is a good chance that, in a couple of years time (maybe less), any MeeGo devs will have moved on to the next big promise.

No hardware == no users == no devs == no future

AND the same goes for Maemo too not just meego, and the very reason i tried to explain WP to the non believers of this community.

Some on here are soooo blinkered it is unreal :confused:.

[Chuck Norris]

Dreamers change the world so that you one day will have what you didn't thought was possible. I'm a dreamer and love tech. With or without a future!

[mikecomputing]

It will be like pissing in an ocean. Nobody will notice.

MeeGo does not (and probably never will) have the critical mass of users necessary to ensure longevity. Andriod (for example) does, which is why there is so much development activity on that platform. There is a good chance that, in a couple of years time (maybe less), any MeeGo devs will have moved on to the next big promise.

No hardware == no users == no devs == no future

Meego in todays form yes but there is a future with QT+kde plasma integration and I am sure this also may be backported to those who wants this on android based phones. Not for those people who is totally brainwached by Google Android.

Again I prefer choices you may dislike it but dont piss on the fosscommunity efforts. In the long run also Android will loose on those Microosft deals Nokia doing now!

So I prefer not to be blind like all android fanboys here. Webos and Meego is killed by the companys. Android is next just wait and see. And I dont say this to make fun of it like you do in case of Meego but stop piss on the FOSS community efforts like QT/Meego your totally stupid if you thiink Google Android works without efforts from the rest of the Linux community. And that include Meego!

Were all in the same boat!!!

[danramos]

The difference between you and me is clear, i am a realist not a dreamer like you ;) and you REALLY need to read marxian's post above me to see why your a dreamer.

WP is where it is going Mike unlike meego not going anywhere and the realists of this world tend to go with the trend unlike you.

Get to reality Mike or your dreams will be shattered for sure sorry to tell you.

While I agree that Maemo/MeeGo are whithering away, I really don't see how Windows Phone 7 will save the day. It's having a hard enough time trying to hop up and down for attention and shouting, "HEY! I'M RELEVANT TOO!! HEY! PAY ATTENTION TO ME!" It seems to be doomed to go the way of the Zune itself: nice, but nobody really wants it and there are far more better choices out there.

[marxian]

Dreamers change the world

Only when they can backup their talk with action. Carry on simply dreaming, and you will wake up to find that the rest of the world has moved on.

[abill_uk]

While I agree that Maemo/MeeGo are whithering away, I really don't see how Windows Phone 7 will save the day. It's having a hard enough time trying to hop up and down for attention and shouting, "HEY! I'M RELEVANT TOO!! HEY! PAY ATTENTION TO ME!" It seems to be doomed to go the way of the Zune itself: nice, but nobody really wants it and there are far more better choices out there.

Yes i agree totally and the very reason i am NOT a "fanboy" of WP but the problem is it IS coming and it is coming big time because of this Nokia venture.

I reserve judgement but nobody can deny that Microsoft and Noka wil give it the best they have got, as to how it will end up is the reason i reserve judgement obviously.

[danramos]

Meego in todays form yes but there is a future with QT+kde plasma integration and I am sure this also may be backported to those who wants this on android based phones. Not for those people who is totally brainwached by Google Android.

Again I prefer choices you may dislike it but dont piss on the fosscommunity efforts. In the long run also Android will loose on those Microosft deals Nokia doing now!

So I prefer not to be blind like all android fanboys here. Webos and Meego is killed by the companys. Android is next just wait and see. And I dont say this to make fun of it like you do in case of Meego but stop piss on the FOSS community efforts like QT/Meego your totally stupid if you thiink Google Android works without efforts from the rest of the Linux community. And that include Meego!

Were all in the same boat!!!

QT is hardly a reason why it would live or die.. be reasonable, please. I think MeeGo will languish and remain mostly unwanted for a long time, thanks to a lot of recent developments and the image they've created for themselves (a gated community of developers, uninterested in end-users). But it DOES have one clear advantage over WebOS and even the floundering Windows Phone 7 (or case history in BeOS, Geos, GEM, etc.) in that it IS FOSS and has the potential for resurrection and awareness at any time without worrying about getting mothballed forever so long as SOMEBODY is willing to continue supporting it for exactly the reason that is IS free and available at any time while the source code is available.

Sadly, Nokia really did seem to do everything it could to kill it -- thanks in major part to Elop's intentional murder of Maemo & MeeGo, but also to OVP for his neglect over time.

[danramos]

Yes i agree totally and the very reason i am NOT a "fanboy" of WP but the problem is it IS coming and it is coming big time because of this Nokia venture.

I reserve judgement but nobody can deny that Microsoft and Noka wil give it the best they have got, as to how it will end up is the reason i reserve judgement obviously.

Nokia continues failing to instill confidence.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/236642/first_windows_mango_phone_unveiled.html
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/01/htc-titan-and-radar-wp-7-mango-phones-revealed-we-go-hands/

[mikecomputing]

While I agree that Maemo/MeeGo are whithering away, I really don't see how Windows Phone 7 will save the day. It's having a hard enough time trying to hop up and down for attention and shouting, "HEY! I'M RELEVANT TOO!! HEY! PAY ATTENTION TO ME!" It seems to be doomed to go the way of the Zune itself: nice, but nobody really wants it and there are far more better choices out there.

We may dislike it. But with hell of marketing it may very well change. And also with help of "patent wars" were the biggest companys will start WAR with smaller once.

Samsung is not allowed to sell Galaxy Tab in German. This is only the start :-(

It may very well be the case why N9 is not sold in German/US too. Maybe its not only cause of Microsoft. Maybe it also cause N9 UI looks to much as Iphone....

[abill_uk]

As for the N9, it does not stand a chance in hell of becoming anything but a complete flop just like it's prior device the N900.

This thread is complete condemnation of what COULD have been somethng if had not been dropped even before release.

[ysss]

As for the N9, it does not stand a chance in hell of becoming anything but a complete flop just like it's prior device the N900.

This thread is complete condemnation of what COULD have been somethng if had not been dropped even before release.

"Abill is a community troll and his existence is the bane of us."

Was that annoying?

Your two statements above were similarly annoying in it's lack of reasoning/backup on such strongly worded sentences.





Let's have a proper discussion or even debate. Backup your statements and talk things through with other members.

[Chuck Norris]

Thats why you are so limited. I don't see the n900 as a flop. I see it like a great tech.

[abill_uk]

"Abill is a community troll and his existence is the bane of us."Was that annoying?Your two statements above were similarly annoying in it's lack of reasoning/backup on such strongly worded sentences.
Let's have a proper discussion or even debate. Backup your statements and talk things through with other members.

Read the posts i am replying too and stop being an asshat ok or you will for sure go on my ignore list but this time for good .

[danramos]

We may dislike it. But with hell of marketing it may very well change. And also with help of "patent wars" were the biggest companys will start WAR with smaller once.

Samsung is not allowed to sell Galaxy Tab in German. This is only the start :-(

It may very well be the case why N9 is not sold in German/US too. Maybe its not only cause of Microsoft. Maybe it also cause N9 UI looks to much as Iphone....

I sincerely doubt that a marketing push will help. Consider Windows Vista--for all the marketing it had, it failed to win any fans and the commercials were considered incredible blunders. Microsoft has never been known as a successful marketing company--only a good strong-arming litigant and known for winning through underhanded means, not by marketing (i.e.: these examples (http://pleco.org/heh/Top%2010%20Microsoft%20Commercials/)). Better still--consider, again, the Zune. It had a major marketing push--a very insistent one that backfired: on release day, they called the press together to announce the new ZUNE and asked all the members of the press at the event to throw their iPods into a bin in return for a brand spanking new ZUNE from Microsoft. NOBODY in that press event took them up on that offer and it turned into a PR disaster.

I strongly suspect that Microsoft will NOT be able to win this by marketing, no.

[danramos]

Thats why you are so limited. I don't see the n900 as a flop. I see it like a great tech.

Hey hey hey! Calm down, you two! The N900 was BOTH a flop AS WELL AS great tech! (http://www.hulu.com/watch/61320/saturday-night-live-shimmer-floor-wax)

Read the posts i am replying too and stop being an asshat ok or you will for sure go on my ignore list but this time for good .

Both of you really should just put each other on ignore and be done with it--or just simply stop replying to each other. :) There's really no point in going back and forth about it.

[abill_uk]

I sincerely doubt that a marketing push will help. Consider Windows Vista--for all the marketing it had, it failed to win any fans and the commercials were considered incredible blunders. Microsoft has never been known as a successful marketing company--only a good strong-arming litigant and known for winning through underhanded means, not by marketing (i.e.: these examples (http://pleco.org/heh/Top%2010%20Microsoft%20Commercials/)). Better still--consider, again, the Zune. It had a major marketing push--a very insistent one that backfired: on release day, they called the press together to announce the new ZUNE and asked all the members of the press at the event to throw their iPods into a bin in return for a brand spanking new ZUNE from Microsoft. NOBODY in that press event took them up on that offer and it turned into a PR disaster.

I strongly suspect that Microsoft will NOT be able to win this by marketing, no.

Microsoft's days started with 95 then 98 and then 98SE, they were in the right place at the right time when nobody could offer such an adaptable OS.

Microsoft have really had there days and the only way they will sell this WP is out of the Nokia stable, it could well prove to be the end of both companies if the OS does not prove to an award winning development.

It is clear that Nokia held the world's trophy in device manufacturing untill it failed on the OS development side with Maemo and Meego.

It is going to be a very interesting year to follow from here on, a year from now will tell all i think.

[mikecomputing]

As for the N9, it does not stand a chance in hell of becoming anything but a complete flop just like it's prior device the N900.

This thread is complete condemnation of what COULD have been somethng if had not been dropped even before release.

You really are wrong person too trust in this case.

Next week you will say Maemo5 still alive.

Funny is you dont have a clue what your talking about.

Your so called "sources" may very well lie to you and probadly make fun of it at the end.

Your posts is more and more ridiculous for every post in this thread.

Last week you said you should sell N9 to people on this forum. Who the HELL will buy devices from you when you a week later spaming in the same thread saying N9 is dead!? :-O :-O

Epic Fail

[PortaDiFerro]

It may very well be the case why N9 is not sold in German/US too. Maybe its not only cause of Microsoft. Maybe it also cause N9 UI looks to much as Iphone....

Nokia already "won" their patent arguments with Apple, which I would assume means cross-licensing, so Nokia in theory shouldn't have to worry about Apple patents.

[abill_uk]

You really are wrong person too trust in this case.

Next week you will say Maemo5 still alive.

Funny is you dont have a clue what your talking about.

Your so called "sources" may very well lie to you and probadly make fun of it at the end.

Your posts is more and more ridiculous for every post in this thread.

Last week you said you should sell N9 to people on this forum. Who the HELL will buy devices from you when you a week later spaming in the same thread saying N9 is dead!? :-O :-O

Epic Fail

The "epic fail' comes from Nokia direct in this case and nothng to do with me i mght add, also i never had any intentions of selling N9's on this forum as i already have more than enough people who want them for whatever reasons.

I personally wll not buy it so your rant proves nothing Mike.

Am i the only one on this thread that has stated the demises of the N9? i think you better read from the begginng again so you now who has said what.

Your a clear meego fanboy and you hate any bad talk if it :p.

[danramos]

Guys, guys...
http://pleco.org/heh/stop-posting.jpg


Microsoft's days started with 95 then 98 and then 98SE, they were in the right place at the right time when nobody could offer such an adaptable OS.

Microsoft have really had there days and the only way they will sell this WP is out of the Nokia stable, it could well prove to be the end of both companies if the OS does not prove to an award winning development.

It is clear that Nokia held the world's trophy in device manufacturing untill it failed on the OS development side with Maemo and Meego.

It is going to be a very interesting year to follow from here on, a year from now will tell all i think.

http://pleco.org/heh/the-internet-on-a-disc.jpg

[marxian]

Some of us are capable of separating our personal feelings regarding Maemo and MeeGo from our opinions regarding the future. I like Maemo, and don't regret buying my N900. Based on my experiences with the N950, I'm not quite as keen on Meego-Harmattan (SwipeUX feels unfinished and less productive than Maemo). I still like it enough to buy an N9, were it not for the fact that it will have no manufacturer support. I don't want to risk having my faulty N9 replaced with a Windoze device in a few months time.

So, the first and only Meego-Harmattan device will be unsupported, and there are no Meego handsets on the horizon. That spells FAIL, no matter how much I might personally want Meego to succeed.

[ericsson]

I'm talking about your claim that WP7 will take-over. Is that based on some kind of trend or something? How did you arrive at that?

Why is marxian thanking you for this "useful" post :confused:

Anyway, what I said was that WP will eventually take over for the N9 or Harmattan if you will.

It is getting a bit clearer now. UK, Ge, Esp, NL and possibly It will get he first batch of WP phones, codename Searay. The rest of Europe, S America, Russia and Asia will get the N9. This will happen within a month. Sometime during the first half of 2012, the new Nokia WP flagships will arrive world wide incl USA.

Within a month we will also see the 600, 700 and 701 with Belle. In 2-3 months Belle will be available for all Symbian^3 devices. The new camera monster, the 801, will come soon as well, with Belle.

Harmattan/MeeGo will go away, but Swipe will not. Swipe is here to stay, it's a question of how and where.

[danramos]

Why is marxian thanking you for this "useful" post :confused:

Anyway, what I said was that WP will eventually take over for the N9 or Harmattan if you will.

It is getting a bit clearer now. UK, Ge, Esp, NL and possibly It will get he first batch of WP phones, codename Searay. The rest of Europe, S America, Russia and Asia will get the N9. This will happen within a month. Sometime during the first half of 2012, the new Nokia WP flagships will arrive world wide incl USA.

Within a month we will also see the 600, 700 and 701 with Belle. In 2-3 months Belle will be available for all Symbian^3 devices. The new camera monster, the 801, will come soon as well, with Belle.

Harmattan/MeeGo will go away, but Swipe will not. Swipe is here to stay, it's a question of how and where.

If I were to guess, it's probably because you were ambiguous enough to make it sound like WP7 was taking over the market generally or something like that--and he thought I was making a point. I'd tend to agree with that assessment but, in fact, I wasn't sure what you were explaining, since the numbers aren't showing WP7 taking anything over.

Ultimately, though, you're saying WP7 is supposed to take over the N9/Harmattan markets? I'm not sure how this translates, considering the N9 doesn't yet have a market (soon?)... and where it will be released, it's not really being replaced by WP7's--It's sold alongside. If you want to point out that it's going to outsell the N9's, I'd like to know where you got the numbers for EITHER sales so far. It would be interesting to watch as time goes on.

[dtergens]

Well, sorry ladies & gentlemen, nothing has been announced on June 21, please everyone look at the red light :-)

http://furiousfanboys.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/mib2.jpg

[marxian]

Why is marxian thanking you for this "useful" post :confused:


Because you have made a number of posts asserting that both WP and the N9 will be a success, without supplying any evidence to support those claims. All you have is a blind faith that Nokia and MS will somehow produce a miracle. Your arguments amount to 'WP is cool, therefore it will be a massive hit' or 'SwipeUX is cool, so the N9 will sell by the bucket load'. Perhaps that is the approach that is taken by the top brass at Nokia, which would explain their recent failures. Maybe they thought the N97 was cool.

Maybe right now, they are thinking 'SwipeUX is so cool, we don't need to bother marketing the N9. Hell, let's not even bother to sell it in most of the world. We can just sell it in Timbuctoo, and people from all over the world will buy one via some online retailer with no reputation'. :rolleyes:

[danramos]

Well, sorry ladies & gentlemen, nothing has been announced on June 21, please everyone look at the red light :-)

http://furiousfanboys.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/mib2.jpg

Oh! Well, since we're being random here....
http://pleco.org/heh/BALLMERasDrEvil.jpg

[rohit.hellboy]

Well, sorry ladies & gentlemen, nothing has been announced on June 21, please everyone look at the red light :-)

http://furiousfanboys.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/mib2.jpg

Had it really been that, my problem would be solved. Without a N9 in the picture, I'd be more than happy buying a N900 and living with it. But the N9 videos hv been like tasting fresh blood and i really want one now.

[marxian]

Well, sorry ladies & gentlemen, nothing has been announced on June 21, please everyone look at the red light :-)


http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/5628/elopballmermib.jpg (http://img856.imageshack.us/i/elopballmermib.jpg/)

[ericsson]

Because you have made a number of posts asserting that both WP and the N9 will be a success, without supplying any evidence to support those claims. All you have is a blind faith that Nokia and MS will somehow produce a miracle. Your arguments amount to 'WP is cool, therefore it will be a massive hit' or 'SwipeUX is cool, so the N9 will sell by the bucket load'. Perhaps that is the approach that is taken by the top brass at Nokia, which would explain their recent failures. Maybe they thought the N97 was cool.

Maybe right now, they are thinking 'SwipeUX is so cool, we don't need to bother marketing the N9. Hell, let's not even bother to sell it in most of the world. We can just sell it in Timbuctoo, and people from all over the world will buy one via some online retailer with no reputation'. :rolleyes:

The N9 IS sold (going to be) in most of the world, by far compared with the first batch of WP phones. That you don't happen to live in a region suitable, well - there is nothing I can do about it. The Searay has a very limited production, and it is NOT a flagship of any kind, those will come later in 2012. Thus the searey is limited to a sub-region in Europe where Nokia believes they will have largest chance of success. UK and Ge in particular where it will be sold by operators because that's where operators are strong in Europe. Hardware wise, the N9 and searey look identical.

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[abill_uk]

Guys, guys...
http://pleco.org/heh/the-internet-on-a-disc.jpg

HA that brings back memories !!!! do you remember 95 on floppies? question is..... how many floppies were there to complete the install ie the full set of ? ;)

Do you remember?

[hotnikkelz]

@danramos
I disagree with you when you said that marketing won't help Microsoft. Whereas Vista sucked and so did the Zune, WP does not suck. Well it did, but the updates will change that. It is actually kinda good....for Microsoft. GOOD marketing will help it. Your examples simply point out bad marketing strategies imo.

@mikecomputing
Your optimism is really amazing. FOSS only survives when there's good investment and a STRONG backing of people behind it. Both of which have been dwindling heavily of late. No doubt the platform had potential, but by itself that it is not enough. It is not looking too compelling right now.

The way I look at Meego now is one that has been SABOTAGED from the beginning. I've been following Meego from the start, and the ***** was just soooo slow to grow. It has to be the slowest FOSS projects I've ever seen, and it was 'formerly' backed by TWO very powerful brands Nokia and Intel, yet it just can't see the light of day after what 3-5 years?? why is that? Lack of investment, marketing, closed dev community among a shitload of other things. To top if off Elop just put a big *** nail in its coffin.

[Chuck Norris]

What's going on in this thread?

[jalyst]

What's going on in this thread?


You've entered the twilight zone...

Looks like there's been lotsa crap & the occasional good point spewed by many in 24hrs.
Lots of reading to catch-up on, why do I torture myself so.

I swear I'm going to resist the temptation to debate any of the points made.
No siree, no, no....

[mikecomputing]

Nokia already "won" their patent arguments with Apple, which I would assume means cross-licensing, so Nokia in theory shouldn't have to worry about Apple patents.

Yes but the deal could very well be that they are not allowed to sell it in X/Y/Z country?

I dont say this is the case just my guess, based on how bussiness works sometimes...

[mikecomputing]

Why is marxian thanking you for this "useful" post :confused:

Anyway, what I said was that WP will eventually take over for the N9 or Harmattan if you will.

It is getting a bit clearer now. UK, Ge, Esp, NL and possibly It will get he first batch of WP phones, codename Searay. The rest of Europe, S America, Russia and Asia will get the N9. This will happen within a month. Sometime during the first half of 2012, the new Nokia WP flagships will arrive world wide incl USA.

Within a month we will also see the 600, 700 and 701 with Belle. In 2-3 months Belle will be available for all Symbian^3 devices. The new camera monster, the 801, will come soon as well, with Belle.

Harmattan/MeeGo will go away, but Swipe will not. Swipe is here to stay, it's a question of how and where.

Waiting for Symbian Belle 3 month for old S^3 is just another Nokia FAIL.

atm my workmobile (bought it for NFC testing ) Nokia C7 still is unusable after Anna upgrade. Now I cant instal apps from OviStore WTF!!?

Thats how MrFlop got Symbian be even better. Just kick out 7000 engineer and make sure Symbian fails even more.

Mr Flop is a ****ing ashole IMHO...

[mikecomputing]

@danramos
I disagree with you when you said that marketing won't help Microsoft. Whereas Vista sucked and so did the Zune, WP does not suck. Well it did, but the updates will change that. It is actually kinda good....for Microsoft. GOOD marketing will help it. Your examples simply point out bad marketing strategies imo.

@mikecomputing
Your optimism is really amazing. FOSS only survives when there's good investment and a STRONG backing of people behind it. Both of which have been dwindling heavily of late. No doubt the platform had potential, but by itself that it is not enough. It is not looking too compelling right now.

The way I look at Meego now is one that has been SABOTAGED from the beginning. I've been following Meego from the start, and the ***** was just soooo slow to grow. It has to be the slowest FOSS projects I've ever seen, and it was 'formerly' backed by TWO very powerful brands Nokia and Intel, yet it just can't see the light of day after what 3-5 years?? why is that? Lack of investment, marketing, closed dev community among a shitload of other things. To top if off Elop just put a big *** nail in its coffin.


Okey in a way I agree. Meego may very well FAIL in its "todays form." But the core libs are the same as Fedora/Ubuntu.

So it may very well success in a different form.

Maybe More like Harmattan Meego (or Maemo6)+KDEPlasma+Qt something.

This is already the case for N900 CE today. I am testing N900 CE image every week now and it IS progressing forward even if trolls in this forum who hasnt even bother too test is saying its dead.

[ericsson]

Waiting for Symbian Belle 3 month for old S^3 is just another Nokia FAIL.

atm my workmobile (bought it for NFC testing ) Nokia C7 still is unusable after Anna upgrade. Now I cant instal apps from OviStore WTF!!?

Thats how MrFlop got Symbian be even better. Just kick out 7000 engineer and make sure Symbian fails even more.

Mr Flop is a ****ing ashole IMHO...

LOL, you need a loooong vacation away from anything looking like a phone.

[lysseslukker]

have you seen this guys

http://discovr.smashpop.net/2011/09/05/nokia-n9-launching-in-malaysia-next-week/

[unfuccwittable]

I'll believe it when I see it, but that looks pretty legit (at least from the cursory glance I gave it).

[jalyst]

There's also talk it may be available to retailers in Australia next Mon (12th)
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1735543&p=36#r709
I'll also believe it when I see it....

[catbus]

What's going on in this thread?

Nothing... Everybody just wasting time when waiting N9...

[mikecomputing]

LOL, you need a loooong vacation away from anything looking like a phone.

For once I agree.....

[mikecomputing]

The doorbell just rang here and it was MrFlop he wanted to give me an N9. But I had to sign an agreement to buy first WP8 phone released from Nokia. So I decided to not sign. Instead I give him a tip to contact abill_uk or ericsson :p

[somedude]

What's going on in this thread?

from the looks of last 5-10 pages: everyone is going through PMS......
guys chill we men have ESPN thats why women got PMS....

[mikecomputing]

Now lets feed danramos, gerbick and abill_uk. I guess you like this:


"Will the N9 be upgraded to Meego 1.3 and 1.4?

[Nokia] We will make the announcement in due course."

....and I must admit. This statement makes me a bit pissed...

[mikecomputing]

from the looks of last 5-10 pages: everyone is going through PMS......
guys chill we men have ESPN thats why women got PMS....

Who knows. Maybe we all are women :eek: