N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!

[mikecomputing]

Random Readings

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http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/07/lg-optimus-note-slider-emerges-from-south-korea-as-dual-core-teg/
Only impressive aspect seems to be the dual-core, but that's still not hugely advantageous in RW use.


ROTFL that devicee is a downgrade if using N900

[marxian]

You actually totally forget that full Qt with qt-component support was not introduced officially until recently in Symbian (Belle).

So this may very well change. But there is some differences in qt-components and qt-component for symbian but they will also merge.

Its way easier to do crossplatform now than for a year ago. When symbian still used its own crap API and Fremantle was using gtk+

And in case of OSS applications we will probadly see alot of new Harmattan apps backported to Maemo5/Meego1.3CE because now we have same Qt version in fremantle as Harmattan and qt-component.

As it happens, I've actually been testing cuteTube using Symbian Belle and Qt Components, so I'm not forgetting anything.

I agree that it's easier than before, and Qt Components makes it easier still, but it's still quite a way from the 'code once, deploy everywhere' mantra. There is still some fragmentation, and the problem with Qt on Symbian is that there are still lots of little things that don't work as expected, just as there were with Maemo at first. You end up spending a lot of time with workarounds, and the documentation for these is often buried in some obscure place. I will say that things have been going pretty smoothly on Meego-Harmattan, apart from an annoying bug in the Qt SDK that would result in applications failing Ovi Store QA (single instance requirement). I'm not sure if this is fixed in the latest update (I haven't read the changelog :o ), but I'll be trying it out later tonight.

EDIT: Single instance issue is fixed according to the release notes. :)

I'm planning on backporting my own Meego-Harmattan applications to Freemantle in due course, so it will be interesting to see how that works out. I'm expecting some fun and games. :D

[BwackNinja]

So..... are we going to get the N9 or 9000 posts first?

Or maybe they are testing for consumer interest and we have to get to 9000 posts for the N9 to come out. Assuming the number of posts per day has been relatively constant (which is a silly assumption), that means the N9 is coming out in about 30 days.

[mikecomputing]

No hard info really, so sorry if I made you all excited! I did however get a confirmation on being chosen as one of the 30 testpilots for the N9 in Sweden :)! Enough to make my blush and giggle like a little girl!

I'll tell you everything about all/any info I receive I promise!

Remember this is important:

Now your job as testpilot is to making MrFlop as pissed as possible ;) And marketing it as HELL on the internet nd you friends to make it succes,

Congrats :)

[Chuck Norris]

Mike, are you running the show over at FakeElop?

http://twitter.com/#!/fakeselop

If not, I think you should create a FakeElop account!

[mikecomputing]

I want a meego tablet from Nokia but I guess this is what MicroNokia will release instead:

http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/09/microsoft-samsung-may-unveil-first-windows-8-tablet-next-week.ars

FAIL

[mikecomputing]

Seems like Iphone5 also pissing on Flash like Nokia N9.

However it seems not even flashvideos fully work on Iphone it if I remember correct Nokia N9 will have support for it :cool:

My guess is also the camera is still better on Nokia N9
and the OS ofcourse :D and NFC support.

If it doesnt was because of MrFLop Nokia may very well take back customers from Iphone to Nokia N9 :D

Thing is I dont think WP can take Iphone customers but N9 will.

http://www.mobil.se/nyheter/fragor-infor-iphone-5-och-nya-ios-1.483890.html

[mikecomputing]

Something I totally foprgot about N9 is:

is the chat integrated like on Maemo5 with the contactlist?

I mean this was really i killer future. When Iphone people did have a stupid app to send messages instead of SMS. We just had it integrated directly in the contact using MSN/GTalk whatever...

[Bernard]

According to the Singapore Nokia Site the device will be 299,- euros

http://www.nokia.com.sg/find-products/products/nokia-n9/check-availability?intc=ncomprod-fw-ilc-hdr-chkavailable_0x0-na-ncomprod-sg-en-1todtmt79686a

I hope it will be!

But if the VAT in your country is higher, the N9 will be too :)

[babraq]

According to the Singapore Nokia Site the device will be 299,- euros

http://www.nokia.com.sg/find-products/products/nokia-n9/check-availability?intc=ncomprod-fw-ilc-hdr-chkavailable_0x0-na-ncomprod-sg-en-1todtmt79686a

I hope it will be!

But if the VAT in your country is higher, the N9 will be too :)

€ in Singapore. :D First, they mix up Australia and Austria, then this? But 299€ is very very cheap!

[scapegoat845]

€ in Singapore. :D First, they mix up Australia and Austria, then this? But 299€ is very very cheap!

That's a little over 400 U.S. !? I doubt that price, but i'll jump on that in a heart beat !

[Guffaw]

I look forward to this:

When I run into what we call the network area's outskirts, there is still full 3G coverage on Nokia N9. Some other phones are already changing here for the 2G network (EDGE). When I run on into a small forest on the route, keeping Nokia N9 still stand with full 3G coverage. All other phones I've tested, jump here on the 2G network, but even in the midst of the forest, Nokia N9 full 3G. So I get around 6 Mbit / s speed of Nokia N9 in this area and it's crazy!

In my area N900 changes from 3G to 2G all the time because i live in a place like this. I hope N9 will make my signal stay at 3G :D

If I'm in the middle of the forest put the phone down on the floor of the car lost one of the 3G signal bars, and only by holding his hand over the phone for several minutes while it is at the bottom of the car, I can get it to jump the 3G network and onto the 2G network - Antenna specialist, Christian Nielsen

[Bernard]

€ in Singapore. :D First, they mix up Australia and Austria, then this? But 299€ is very very cheap!


I don't know if it is correct, but the pricing would be similar to the Nokia 5800 when that was released.
It could be true. If you look at the design of the N9, you get the impression that the Nokia N950 was originally intended as the high-priced flagship model, and that the current N9 would have been the cheaper mass-market follow up.
Whatever Nokia says, it isn't a terribly expensive design. The AMOLED is a cheaper pen-tile version, the chip is over a year old (it was also in the Palm Pre2 but it does have more RAM), and the casing is plastic with very few buttons.

If they start the device at over 400 euros, I don't think the device will be a hit. I think Apple will introduce a budget iphone at that pricepoint, and there are numerous Android devices with similar or better specs at that price.

The new software, curved glass, 1GB RAM and NFC may be very cool features, but iPhone/Android have so many more applications.
With Windows Phone devices coming very soon from Nokia, the MeeGo device needs to be cheap at launch, slowly discounting over the following months (like Nokia always does) would be the nail in the MeeGo coffin.

So yes, I'm hoping that it is true and that Nokia gets the pricing for the MeeGo device right.

[danramos]

Hey Dan, What happened with the phone?

Ask Eflop... although, I'm pretty sure magician mole saboteurs never reveals their tricks. ;)

[tissot]

I don't think price will do much of a difference to how much N9 will sell when there's no true future for it behind Symbian, WP, S40. Niche device for enthuastics like us who don't mind dying platforms and are looking for something a bit different.

Anyways that price is way too low. Cheapest 16GB version looks to be around 530 euros in Finland.

[babraq]

I don't think price will do much of a difference to how much N9 will sell when there's no true future for it behind Symbian, WP, S40.

Don't be so sure. Look at TouchPad - great price, everything else dead and the sales are (were?) rocketing.

[tissot]

Don't be so sure. Look at TouchPad - great price, everything else dead and the sales are (were?) rocketing.

Though the difference was that it was fireout sale with insanely low price. N9 wont have that, neither it should.

Also how i got it, TouchPad was pretty much sold out in a day after the price drop and the sold amount is far far away from amounts that makes a successful smartphone these days.

[Guffaw]

No new mail from N9Seconds Team after 9 days into September. :(
2 more weeks to go. :rolleyes:

[bequezox]

i were in the middle - I didn't ask any questions as my reason of being there were only to try the N9 hand on again(i've also tried it in early august i think). However i were in the same row as the middleaged man with the N73 or something asking quite a few questions - I were the young blond guy sitting almost next to him :)

I were interveiwed by the camera guy so if im unlucky i'll be on the 3 site commentating on the event.

My personal impression was just like you (and as the first time i tried it).

Great browser, quick camera start-up time and shooting and more than one active sync mail acount. These are my primary uses...

Even though the case is plastic (poly-something) it feels great and lays "ergonomically" in the hand. The feeling is like it is a mixture of plastic and some sort of rubber. It doesnt slip out of your hand as the N8 or iphone(4).

And yes the vbk is great both horizontal and vertical mode.

About the N9 and DLNA i just wrote what the Nokiaguy said, and as I understood it, he was more keen on setting it to the tv-out (3,5 jack) or usb mode than DLNA. I agree, however, that it is weird if it cant do the DLNA properly in 720p.

okay... well, one other thing... the N9 does not have any room for keyhanger-thingystuff in it's corner, which the N73 DOES have!!

and indeed the feeling of the platic is nice, and it is indeed superior antenna-wise compared to the iphone..

and his answer regarding the dlna was a bit cryptic... he said that for pictures it'd work fine, but "heavy" videos wasn't very good, and he recommended using it as a usb-device instead. so what that means isn't really clear.

and then one thing i forgot to mention is that he said that it'll support bluetooth mice and keyboards, and work as both usb host, and flashdrive... i though that had been scrapped, but i guess not??

and for the record, I was the guy they all laughed at when i asked wether it had fmtx/rx and respective antennas or not, in the 2nd row...

but now i guess we'll just have to wait for september to end....

[jalyst]

Seems like Iphone5 also pissing on Flash like Nokia N9.
However it seems not even flashvideos fully work on Iphone it if I remember correct Nokia N9 will have support for it :cool:

havent read this fully but seems like some sort of adobe support for iOS
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/09/adobe-unveils-new-software-tools-adds-ios-compatible-streaming/

[mikecomputing]

I don't know if it is correct, but the pricing would be similar to the Nokia 5800 when that was released.
It could be true. If you look at the design of the N9, you get the impression that the Nokia N950 was originally intended as the high-priced flagship model, and that the current N9 would have been the cheaper mass-market follow up.
Whatever Nokia says, it isn't a terribly expensive design. The AMOLED is a cheaper pen-tile version, the chip is over a year old (it was also in the Palm Pre2 but it does have more RAM), and the casing is plastic with very few buttons.

If they start the device at over 400 euros, I don't think the device will be a hit. I think Apple will introduce a budget iphone at that pricepoint, and there are numerous Android devices with similar or better specs at that price.

The new software, curved glass, 1GB RAM and NFC may be very cool features, but iPhone/Android have so many more applications.
With Windows Phone devices coming very soon from Nokia, the MeeGo device needs to be cheap at launch, slowly discounting over the following months (like Nokia always does) would be the nail in the MeeGo coffin.

So yes, I'm hoping that it is true and that Nokia gets the pricing for the MeeGo device right.

oh for freak sake. 400 EUR :O I dont tjhink soo...

It compete very well with Iphone4 and maybe also Iphone 5.

And if theyr THAT stupid dumping the price for it like that well. Then They really have to put MrFlop at hospital right away.

Iphone is so damn overhyped because of its "apps". But If they want Iphone go back to Nokia, N9 is needed there is no way Iphone fanboys go for WP. N9 and "SwipeUI" is bigger chance to take some Iphone users back for Nokia. So why dump the price, and make the device look like crap?

999999 apps so what? its not only about apps.

Camera is better. It has NFC. More flash memory etc...

And btw. dont compare danramos from one OS to another.

And WP from nokia will not come to those official N9 countrys erlier than end of Q1 2012. This means N9 will be needed.

[danramos]

Camera is better. It has NFC. More flash memory etc...

And btw. dont compare RAM from one OS to another.

Translator: DON'T COMPARE SPECIFICATIONS!

[jalyst]

I don't get Elop, is he like on acid or something?
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/09/09/stephen-elop-interviews-nokia-windows-phone-q4-2011-released-one-country-after-another/

Crikey, that's at least 6 file mangers now.
http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/09/application-wip-filebox-meego-harmattan/

August browser stats: Safari dominates mobile browsing
http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2011/09/august-browser-stats-mobile-safari-on-top.ars

[mikecomputing]

I don't get Elop, is he like on acid or something?
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/09/09/stephen-elop-interviews-nokia-windows-phone-q4-2011-released-one-country-after-another/



What do you mean? Just same idiot as always means he is Ballmers little friend?

[jalyst]

According to the Singapore Nokia Site the device will be 299,- euros

http://www.nokia.com.sg/find-products/products/nokia-n9/check-availability?intc=ncomprod-fw-ilc-hdr-chkavailable_0x0-na-ncomprod-sg-en-1todtmt79686a

I hope it will be!

But if the VAT in your country is higher, the N9 will be too :)


Surely it's just some sick cruel joke....
Nokia is a masochist, we should all know that by now.
Similar thing popped-up on the Oz site, & it still hasn't been removed.
Has an insane price, never gunna happen.
Expect something similar to the top-end Androids, maybe even slightly more.
It will go down over time, but not hugely...
I should be be better than the iP5, maybe even the revised iP4.

[jalyst]

What do you mean? Just same idiot as always means he is Ballmers little friend?

Just read it, & the source, & the comments.
They guy's a loon... loopy, doopy, loopy....

[jo21]

http://www.mobile-review.com/articles/2011/image/birulki-135/2.jpg

so i present you. n9 KIRF

nokia 703 - 800x480 screen, wp7, 5mpx

yes---- same specs 2 year old n900, way worse n9

[Lindegaard]

okay... well, one other thing... the N9 does not have any room for keyhanger-thingystuff in it's corner, which the N73 DOES have!!


and for the record, I was the guy they all laughed at when i asked wether it had fmtx/rx and respective antennas or not, in the 2nd row...

but now i guess we'll just have to wait for september to end....
lol, yeah, that guy was a bit weird/really geeky.

I figured out that it had to be someone from TMO asking the fm question, btw I didn't laugh at you (loud :p ) - so you were in the red/black-striped shirt, right?

I believe we'll get to 9000 post before we have a N9

[mikecomputing]

Just read it, & the source, & the comments.
They guy's a loon... loopy, doopy, loopy....

funny reading this:

"Management of perception is hard and we made a very tough decision (to go with Microsoft). We are really stepping it up, but we also know that in the meantime, it’s going to be difficult, there will be all sorts of negative activity and people are going to write all sorts of bad stuff."

Comming from a person spreading FUD and comments about Symbian and Meego :mad:

[jalyst]

http://www.mobile-review.com/articles/2011/image/birulki-135/2.jpg

so i present you. n9 KIRF

nokia 703 - 800x480 screen, wp7, 5mpx

yes---- same specs 2 year old n900, way worse n9


800 will be out this yr & better, not much hopefully...
But there'll be some big Microkia guns they'll come out with in Q1 2012.
Then Elop will finally be able to kill N9/MeeGo once & for all.
And any chance of a future Maemo/MeeGo-based device will be obliterated.

[jo21]

800 will be out this yr & better, not much hopefully...
But there'll be some big Microkia guns they'll come out with in Q1 2012.
Then Elop will finally be able to kill N9/MeeGo once & for all.
And any chance of a future Maemo/MeeGo-based device will be obliterated.

it wont its 2012, anyway, mark ur calendar expect nokia numbers q4-q1 2012 to be terrible.

701 being their biggest seller :p

[jalyst]

Some posts made on Konttori's blog mths ago have been allowed to show-up.
And he's finally responded to them....
http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2011/06/respect.html

We already know RX is requiring community hacking
And it progressing rather nicely, thanks to Nokia's help.
And we already know NFC support is there.

But he also seems to suggest BT4 will be there at launch, or maybe he means the 1st major update?
If the former, this conflicts with other official words we've heard about BT4.
(i.e. will come with 1st major update).

Man flash support sounds like it's working so damn well.
Would be such a shame if they decide not to license it for Fennec.

[Lindegaard]

Some posts made on Konttori's blog mths ago have been allowed to show-up.
And he's finally responded to them....
http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2011/06/respect.html

We already know RX is requiring community hacking
And it progressing rather nicely, thanks to Nokia's help.
And we already know NFC support is there.

But he also seems to suggest BT4 will be there at launch, or maybe he means the 1st major update?
If the former, this conflicts with other official words we've heard about BT4.
(i.e. will come with 1st major update).

Man flash support sounds like it's working so damn well.
Would be such a shame if they decide not to license it for Fennec.
the way he writes it, then BT4 is there at launch :D
At the 3 / N9 meeting we were told that the tag reading would be in PR 1.1 which he confirms and since he doesn't write "(PR1.1) after the BT4 part is must indicate that it'll be there from the start.

the flash part seems promising - it's better than refusing to integrate flash!

I also like the sentence "Alien Dalvik is most welcome and Ovi Store won't block it in any way. I think it would be a nice revenue tool for myriad to sell it for a few euros. I know I would buy it."
But again, it is up to Myriad to make it happen (en Nokia not to block) - it's better than nothing - or we could just dual boot with android (or iOS, lol) - it's just not the same...

[Bernard]

oh for freak sake. 400 EUR :O I dont tjhink soo...

Maybe, maybe not. I'm just saying that I don't think the N9 will be a big sales success if it is priced much higher than Android devices with similar hardware.
If the N9 will be iPhone priced (520 euros and up), I think most people will choose Apple, and sales of the N9 over it's total lifespan will probably won't exceed 200.000 units. It will be a niche device, with too few users for commercial developers to target the N9 specifically (but some commercial developers that make Symbian Qt applications may also release a N9 version).


It compete very well with Iphone4 and maybe also Iphone 5.

In some ways hopefully it will, in others it won't.
An iPhone 4 with iOS 5 has a LOT of features that the N9 does not have, mostly because of the large application catalogue.
The only way for the N9 to gain functionality in the future is for Nokia to get as many users as fast as possible. Otherwise it will not get many applications, and Nokia will not have much incentive to fix bugs and design mistakes in future firmware updates, they need feedback and a user base.


And if theyr THAT stupid dumping the price for it like that well. Then They really have to put MrFlop at hospital right away.

I don't see why it would be stupid. Devices like the Nokia 5800 were popular partly because of the low introduction price, and introduced the Symbian touch devices very successfully.
Nokia usually introduces the flagship devices at a high price, and lowers the price relatively quickly (Like what happened with the Nokia N95 and N900). The N8 was a bit different, and had a relatively low introduction price for the "Nokia Flagship device".
But I do agree with you that it is very likely that the N9 will be more expensive (who would buy Symbian phones and at what price? ), but I do believe it would be very bad for MeeGo as a platform.



Iphone is so damn overhyped because of its "apps". But If they want Iphone go back to Nokia, N9 is needed there is no way Iphone fanboys go for WP. N9 and "SwipeUI" is bigger chance to take some Iphone users back for Nokia. So why dump the price, and make the device look like crap?

I don't see why "dumping" the price makes a device look like crap. Maybe if you consider your phone a status symbol, would the price make it look crappy, but other than that.


999999 apps so what? its not only about apps.

No it is not, but MeeGo starts almost at zero when considering apps, and that is a very relevant number.


Camera is better. It has NFC. More flash memory etc...

And btw. dont compare specifications from one OS to another.

Why not? I agree that the differences in OS-es make comparisons a bit tricky, but it does give an idea of the maximum capabilities.


And WP from nokia will not come to those official N9 countrys erlier than end of Q1 2012. This means N9 will be needed.

I agree that Nokia needs a top selling smartphone as soon as possible. In Europe Nokia sold 60% less smartphones compared to a year earlier according to a report.
But I don't think that at 500-600 euros the N9 will be that "big-hit".

[BigBadGuber!]

Just get an iphone. It simply works.

[jalyst]

the way he writes it, then BT4 is there at launch :D

Yeah but that conflicts with what Nokia management has said in Australia.
CBF'd digging it up right now....
Basically they said it's coming, but with the 1st update, not @launch.
I've asked him some questions to see if he can clarify further.
Lets hope he doesn't take 6wks to approve & then answer them again :(


@Konttori
Just a quick follow-up to those 3 posts of yours.
If at all possible....
I'd be hugely grateful if you'd respond relatively quickly.
Instead of 5-6 weeks later. Thanks if you can!

(1)
Are you saying BT4 is there for launch....
Or is it coming w/the 1st major update, along w/tag reading?
How soon *roughly* after launch, can we expect that update?
I'm aware of the community efforts for RX/RDS, it's progressing nicely, thanks to Nokia's help!

(2)
Re Alien Dalvik, do you foresee any potential reasons...
Why selling AD via the Nokia Store, or to end-users period, may not be attractive for Myriad?

(3)
Re Flash 11... Is is possible for someone to give jolo a "nudge"?
It's been months since we've heard from him over at talk.maemo.org
At the time he sounded quite positive for a good outcome.
He was not making any promises of course...
It was testing well, & the main hurdle left was the licensing.
We've tried PM'ing him & posting in the thread, but to no avail.

All the best!

[jalyst]

Maybe, maybe not. I'm just saying that I don't think the N9 will be a big sales success if it is priced much higher than Android devices with similar hardware.
If the N9 will be iPhone priced (520 euros and up), I think most people will choose Apple, and sales of the N9 over it's total lifespan will probably won't exceed 200.000 units. It will be a niche device, with too few users for commercial developers to target the N9 specifically (but some commercial developers that make Symbian Qt applications may also release a N9 version).<SNIP>

Wait till it's out (somewhere) & we can actually do detailed comparos, before we question it's value or lack thereof.
Honestly, no one (even N950 owners) really can, until we can do detailed comparos, & we have far more certainty on prices.
Then we can "go to town" on it's value or lack thereof. It's just a pointless exercise at this pont in time....

[jalyst]

Just get an iphone. It simply works.

Oh. Hello again!
Making your invaluable contributions to the conversation once again I see.

[catbus]

Well

If the N9 price is about 300 euros in Australia then...

Price in Finland will be about 600+

[bequezox]

lol, yeah, that guy was a bit weird/really geeky.

I figured out that it had to be someone from TMO asking the fm question, btw I didn't laugh at you (loud :p ) - so you were in the red/black-striped shirt, right?

I believe we'll get to 9000 post before we have a N9

I didn't cry for more than a couple of hours when i went to bed that night, because of people laughing at me, so no worries ;)

And pretty darn well remembered, yes that was me!!

[biatch0]

Only a few days to go until the media event in Malaysia... pretty stoked!!! Since I'm having some "difficulty" acquiring an invite, I've asked a friend who is going to attempt to get some clarification on the TX/RX antenna - seeing as current info on TX not being connected is based on the N950. Although I'm not holding my hopes up since Nokia Malaysia are typically a bunch of dimwits...

[hotnikkelz]

Something I totally foprgot about N9 is:

is the chat integrated like on Maemo5 with the contactlist?

I mean this was really i killer future. When Iphone people did have a stupid app to send messages instead of SMS. We just had it integrated directly in the contact using MSN/GTalk whatever...

Yes it does. At LEAST with skype.

[danramos]

just get an iphone. It simply works.

flaimbait! :)

[BigBadGuber!]

flaimbait! :)

Admit it. It is so true.

[hotnikkelz]

Admit it. It is so true.

It is true, but I'm not going to get one just because it does ;)
Blackberry bold 9900 works as well, I would much quicker get that.

[PortaDiFerro]

According to the Singapore Nokia Site the device will be 299,- euros

Wow, that just seems too good to be true! Gonna be more expensive than that here in Finland, but I'll be happy if it's under 400 euros for 16GB.

[jalyst]

Only a few days to go until the media event in Malaysia... pretty stoked!!! Since I'm having some "difficulty" acquiring an invite, I've asked a friend who is going to attempt to get some clarification on the TX/RX antenna - seeing as current info on TX not being connected is based on the N950. Although I'm not holding my hopes up since Nokia Malaysia are typically a bunch of dimwits...

You're better-off just following the thread/s where there's some hackery going on WRT to RX...
The Nokia folk you speak to aren't likely to be engineers, even if one of them is, he/she won't know the status of RX/TX, as it's not officially supported.
Nokia's helping with finding the info. needed, but they're leaving much of the leg-work to community devs.

[govprog]

Put away the dream shades. It will cost 500+ euro. Everywhere.

Actually they can't price it that high. The competition is tougher than before. They will push the prices down just like apple did with Mac OS X updates.
.....

Hopefully

[biatch0]

You're better-off just following the thread/s where there's some hackery going on WRT to RX...
The Nokia folk you speak to aren't likely to be engineers, even if one of them is, he/she won't know the status of RX/TX, as it's not officially supported.
Nokia's helping with find the info. needed, but they're leaving much of the leg work community devs.It's more of me wanting to annoy them than actually getting any info from them :D

[govprog]

"Yes, we can" (c) Obama ad company.
The hopefully below my comment shows that I doubt my own comment happens too :S

[mikecomputing]

Some posts made on Konttori's blog mths ago have been allowed to show-up.
And he's finally responded to them....
http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2011/06/respect.html

We already know RX is requiring community hacking
And it progressing rather nicely, thanks to Nokia's help.
And we already know NFC support is there.

But he also seems to suggest BT4 will be there at launch, or maybe he means the 1st major update?
If the former, this conflicts with other official words we've heard about BT4.
(i.e. will come with 1st major update).

Man flash support sounds like it's working so damn well.
Would be such a shame if they decide not to license it for Fennec.

can somebody say what bt chip used? because if same as n900/n950 its no way chance we get BT4.0

maybe some newer revision of hw will have it but...

[celebrant]

Exclusive N9 presentation in Prague today!

Alza.cz a.s., Jateční 33, Praha 7 – Holešovice 170 00

Too bad it's in Prague, it would take me 3.5 hours just to get there. For those who do come there is an opportunity to get a hold of an N9 for a while and you should be told exact availability date.

[blipnl]

Actually they can't price it that high. The competition is tougher than before. They will push the prices down just like apple did with Mac OS X updates.

Sure they can, if Nokia was not once on contract with Intel I highly doubt they would even release this phone. If they wanted to sell it to the large masses they would not try to overshadow it by the upcoming wp7 handset(s) and make it virtually unobtainable for people in many countries. (I'm with ya folks)

Given the development and funds Nokia put into this device it would not be very profitable. Maybe approx. 1000 euros per device if they can sell all they produce(d) would be nessacery before even a profit can be made. If they did that they would look stupid so they don't, because they probably still care about their image. Besides Nokia has more devices to worry about, the N9 was never meant to take over the world.

I'm getting one anyways :)

Disclaimer: The previous has been all speculation based on personal experience/estimations.

[jalyst]

can somebody say what bt chip used? because if same as n900/n950 its no way chance we get BT4.0

maybe some newer revision of hw will have it but...

Have you even been reading this thread?
Not my problem if you haven't...
Sorry you'll have to dig-it-up for yourself.
It's only been posted about a dozen times here & elsewhere.

[mikecomputing]

Wait till it's out (somewhere) & we can actually do detailed comparos, before we question it's value or lack thereof.
Honestly, no one (even N950 owners) really can, until we can do detailed comparos, & we have far more certainty on prices.
Then we can "go to town" on it's value or lack thereof. It's just a pointless exercise at this pont in time....

yeah those rumors is just ridicilous.

now people hopes on:

* Full flash support even if kontorri actually said its not there just on RD image! (licence issues)

* BT4.0 ONLY possible if nokia decided to use new BT chip with dualband. software updates doesnt fix that AFAIK. so again it coould be some RD version having it only.

* fmrx chip exist but WITHOUT antenna means we dont know if it WORKS. woftware updates cant create an antenna

but hopefully we get some answers swedish testpilots next week :)

[ysss]

Blackberry bold 9900 works as well, I would much quicker get that.

I would whole heartedly recommend that.
Except that EDoF cameras are great for outdoor shots, but totally sucky for macro shots.

[jalyst]

no... there's no rumours, only facts, so you havent been reading.
too bad...

[vivmak]

Just get an iphone. It simply works.

Hey, yes my Nokia 6120 classic works too, I will give it your for 10 bucks plus postage and handling :D

[mikecomputing]

Have you even ben reading this thread?
Not my problem if you havent...
Sorry you'll have to dig-it-up for yourself.
It's only been posted about a dozen times here & elsewhere.

well then I had missed it but if we know the chip support BT4 why the hell is question raised over and over again about if its supported :O

and btw. diging in this bloated thread is just fail. this should be added to the N9 FAQ...

[mikecomputing]

Sure they can, if Nokia was not once on contract with Intel I highly doubt they would even release this phone. If they wanted to sell it to the large masses they would not try to overshadow it by the upcoming wp7 handset(s) and make it virtually unobtainable for people in many countries. (I'm with ya folks)

Given the development and funds Nokia put into this device it would not be very profitable. Maybe approx. 1000 euros per device if they can sell all they produce(d) would be nessacery before even a profit can be made. If they did that they would look stupid so they don't, because they probably still care about their image. Besides Nokia has more devices to worry about, the N9 was never meant to take over the world.

I'm getting one anyways :)

Disclaimer: The previous has been all speculation based on personal experience/estimations.

funny is they NEED Nokia n9 cause tthey cant rollout WP in all countrys yet. translations etc...

[jalyst]

Sure they can, if Nokia was not once on contract with Intel I highly doubt they would even release this phone..

Intel contract being the reason is a misnomer...
Nokia was nowhere near migrating fully to that stage yet.
They kept it going because so much had already been invested in it.

[jalyst]

yeah those rumors is just ridicilous.

now people hopes on:

* Full flash support even if kontorri actually said its not there just on RD image! (licence issues)

* BT4.0 ONLY possible if nokia decided to use new BT chip with dualband. software updates doesnt fix that AFAIK. so again it coould be some RD version having it only.

* fmrx chip exist but WITHOUT antenna means we dont know if it WORKS. woftware updates cant create an antenna

but hopefully we get some answers swedish testpilots next week :)


Sigh....

*Did I say it was coming?

*We already identified chip/s ages ago, then proved it's def. not the same as the N950's, & then found evidence it was certified for BT4.
Then we had official word from senior personnel in Australia. Who claimed it won't be there at launch, but will come w/the 1st major update.
Now Konttori corroborates that it's there at launch, or coming w/PR1.1. Looking pretty solid to me....

*Find the thread where javispedro is doing the FMRX hacking.
He & testers are getting a signal fine, along with RDS data.
Like the N900 it works much better w/a headphone plugged in.
I can't recall what they said there about TX....

[Tedri Mark]

just get an iphone. It works simply .
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[jakiman]

and btw. diging in this bloated thread is just fail. this should be added to the N9 FAQ...

Well, I haven't covered everything but you'll find some useful stuff in my tidbits (little facts) article. I've also covered BT4.0 chip stuff. (link in my sig)

[jalyst]

So many unknown mainland China brands are springing-up w/very impressive hardware & tweaked Android.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/08/synrgic-preps-its-t100-handset-for-the-beast-phone-race/
Seems like mainland China's gearing-up to challenge Korea/Taiwan/Japan as not only a manufacturer, but purveyor of CE's.
If only we could one day have Maemo5, Harmattan, or MeeGoCE on these new generation of beast phones :(

[dtergens]

Just get an iphone. It simply works.
http://a586.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/85/l_2d637f71fbb0dea541a49ae2a1cb2d29.jpg
:eek: :D

[Vaskinn]

Just get an iphone. It simply works.

No it doesn't. Its browser apparently keeps bringing you to forums where the discussion is about things you don't care about. Also it looks like it takes your well thought out discussion points and replaces it with unfounded, unwelcome, useless and repeated drivel.

(fortunately it looks like it's only your iphone that does it, or it's the result of user error)

[jalyst]

@Lindegaard, bumping this in case you didn't see it
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1084456#post1084456
Don't worry about addressing the DLNA point/Qn...

Thank-you.

[zapotek]

http://www.baesystems.com/Newsroom/NewsReleases/autoGen_11188123424.html look at the pic http://www.baesystems.com/static/bae_cimg_Bodyworn_Antennas_latestReleased_bae_cimg _Bodyworn_Antennas_Web.jpg

[BigBadGuber!]

It is true, but I'm not going to get one just because it does ;)
Blackberry bold 9900 works as well, I would much quicker get that.

iphone is my dumbphone, N900 is my smartphone

[mikecomputing]

Sigh....

*Did I say it was coming?

*We already identified chip/s ages ago, then proved it's def. not the same as the N950's, & then found evidence it was certified for BT4.
Then we had official word from senior personnel in Australia. Who claimed it won't be there at launch, but will come w/the 1st major update.
Now Konttori corroborates that it's there at launch, or coming w/PR1.1. Looking pretty solid to me....

*Find the thread where javispedro is doing the FMRX hacking.
He & testers are getting a signal fine, along with RDS data.
Like the N900 it works much better w/a headphone plugged in.
I can't recall what they said there about TX....

ok first of I did not say you or kontorori spreading wrong info just saying it seems some people draw way wrong conclusion or asumtions on what people says.

I hadnt heard what BT chip used and still intrested to know. but it seems it IS BT4.0 capable and thats good ofcourse. still needs some 100 percent clarifications when we have the damn device in our hands :) then we 100 percents knows :)

[jalyst]

It's not 100% clear what chip it uses, IIRC a few logical guesstimations were done.
But the best way, is when someone has a N9 in their hands, & can run the necessary checks.
When i get mine I fully intend to answer as many questions as folks have....

[zapotek]

http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2011/09/08/intel-says-work-on-meego-software-will-go-on/ good news meego is not dead yet

[Stonik]

They are already selling Nokia E7 for 299€ in Finland, which probably means Nokia is trying to gain market share with very aggressive pricing. Mango devices aren't here yet and volume shipments begin in 2012.

This means the Singaporean and Malaysian pricing for N9 might actually be possible in Europe too. According to IDC Nokia's European smartphone market share has dropped to 11 per cent, now being at the 5th place. For the 299€ price Nokia would still get pretty good profits for every N9, as the hardware components aren't that expensive.

[mikecomputing]

They are already selling Nokia E7 for 299€ in Finland, which probably means Nokia is trying to gain market share with very aggressive pricing. Mango devices aren't here yet and volume shipments begin in 2012.

This means the Singaporean and Malaysian pricing for N9 might actually be possible in Europe too. According to IDC Nokia's European smartphone market share has dropped to 11 per cent, now being at the 5th place. For the 299€ price Nokia would still get pretty good profits for every N9, as the hardware components aren't that expensive.

E7 is a midend/bussiness phone that no one seems to buy thats why price drop. its NOT a phone for those intrestedd in android/iphone competitor.

Nokia N9 is hiend. if they hold that fantasy price we can for forget about software updates...

[temeone]

The price will be around 550 euros but lets pray to the harmattan gods that its 299€…

[slider5]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t5yWwLySpo

:)

[Ministeri]

Finnish N9 availability site:
http://www.nokia.fi/tuotteet/kaikki-puhelimet/nokia-n9/tarkista-saatavuus

Yeah, nothing interesting there. Except in the source code:


<div id="buy-options" class="section">
<!-- Buy Now/PAN integration -->
<!--<div class="price-info">
<h4>&euro;299</h4>
<span class="terms">(inc. VAT)</span>
</div>-->
</div>


Price of 299 euros hidden by html-commenting multiple times! Same price can be found in all countries availability-sites.

But that's not all (I think):

We can also find list of operators:


<ul class="picker-items">
<li>
<a href="http://orange.com">
<img src="/NOKIA_MASTER_NOKIA_COM_5/DELETE_THESE/Skyway_Test/images/logo_orange.png" alt="orange">
</a>
<a href="http://orange.com" class="cta">Visit Orange</a>
</li>
<li>
<a href="http://vodafone.com">
<img src="/NOKIA_MASTER_NOKIA_COM_5/DELETE_THESE/Skyway_Test/images/logo_vodafone.png" alt="vodafone">
</a>
<a href="http://vodafone.com" class="cta">Visit Vodafone</a>
</li>
<li>
<a href="http://www.three.co.uk">
<img src="/NOKIA_MASTER_NOKIA_COM_5/DELETE_THESE/Skyway_Test/images/logo_3.png" alt="Three">
</a>
<a href="http://www.three.co.uk" class="cta">Visit Three</a>
</li>
<li>
<a href="http://tmobile.com">
<img src="/NOKIA_MASTER_NOKIA_COM_5/DELETE_THESE/Skyway_Test/images/logo_t-mobile.png" alt="T-Mobile">
</a>
<a href="http://tmobile.com" class="cta">Visit T-Mobile</a>
</li>
<li class="last">
<a href="http://o2.com">
<img src="/NOKIA_MASTER_NOKIA_COM_5/DELETE_THESE/Skyway_Test/images/logo_o2.png" alt="O2">
</a>
<a href="http://o2.com" class="cta">Visit O2</a>
</li>
</ul>


Orange, Vodafone, Three, T-Mobile and O2. And don't forget the "DELETE_THESE"-images! :)

[jalyst]

This was mentioned earlier somewhere, I didn't bother posting as I was sure it was bogus
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/09/10/nokia-n9-directly-from-nokia-for-e299-really/

But looking at prices that have been touted for 500/600/700/701* in recent wks.
And considering it's a direct sale from Nokia, maybe there's some truth to it?

Some examples (don't have time to find others):
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/09/10/nokia-500-available-in-2-weeks-for-e22990/
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/09/10/nokia-700-available-pre-order-at-play-for-259-99-coming-october-21/
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/09/10/nokia-500-pre-order-at-play-for-169-99-for-november/

Is that price for the 16GB? But wouldn't it piss-off the telcos & retailers?
That's $400AUD! The best retail price here in Oz atm is about $679.
Plans with carriers aren't clear yet, they'll of course be much less...

Maybe it's an Asian price, & the Australian price will be higher?
Consumer electronics are almost always more expensive here than EU/Asia.

*703's WP right?

*EDIT*
My bad, just saw some of the most recent comments.
Nice thoughts, & very nice find Ministeri!

[jalyst]

MeeGo dev.
http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/09/qt-simulator-1-2-what%E2%80%99s-new/
http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/09/qml-colour-themes-meego-harmattan/
http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/09/qt-sdk-update-introducing-qt-creator-2-3-updates/

Vanilla MeeGo
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/09/09/intel-looking-for-partner-to-help-with-meego-samsung-wont-buy-but-will-have-meego-devices/
A few inaccuracies, but fairly interesting read nonetheless, states much of the obvious
http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2011/09/intel-denies-giving-up-on-meego-but-it-doesnt-mean-much.ars

Nokia
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/09/09/idcs-q2-2011-western-europe-shipment-estimates-nokia-5th-in-smartphone-shipments/
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/09/09/official-nokia-page-to-update-and-examine-your-new-shiny-browser/
It shits me how the 500/600/700/701 were all announced way later than the N9, but looking like they'll be out before or at the same time.
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/09/10/nokia-500-available-in-2-weeks-for-e22990/
Pretty clever new ad
http://vimeo.com/28812267

Harmattan Apps
Looking pretty slick, may eventually be a better option than what's built-in, still early days.
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/09/09/peregrine-for-n9-integrates-social-services-in-to-one-app/
LiveJournal (blogging app)
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/09/10/weekend-watch-livejournal-powered-by-qt-demoed-on-nokia-n9/
who explains that the app was first developed for Symbian then ported to the N9, with 95% of the code unchanged.
^ Does that sound right?

Apple V Samsung
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/09/german-court-on-galaxy-tab-101-other-designs-are-possible.ars

[Lindegaard]

@Lindegaard, bumping this in case you didn't see it
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1084456#post1084456
Don't worry about addressing the DLNA point/Qn...

Thank-you.
Yeah i misssed that. I'm trying only to skim these sites as they otherwise would take up too much time ;)


Well, about the transmitter (RX part), the qustion would be answered later on as the Nokia manager wasn't sure about the answer.

Bluetooth 2.1 or 4. The answer were simply that the specs on developer.nokia.com was the one Nokia Denmark would refer to. But as we have "learned(?)" the N9 will have the BT4 - either at launch or PR 1.1.

DLNA, i would expect N9 to be albe to stream vids, but the Nokiadude just said the using the 3,5jack or usb were preferable...
donno why!

apps, well the N9 does still use the qt apps as we all know so i dont think that this is the biggest problem - however i dont think Nokia will put too much effort/money in symbina/meego since windoze phone is coming. However they are creating apps which are very popular on android/ios. And locally (denmark) they will build apps for banking and the copenhagen airport - some of the most crusial apps that havent been made for symbian/qt - yet. I suppose it will be the same around the globe, but I must amid I dont know which apps are "missing" in aussie-land, us ect...

In generel, Nokia DK, were convinced that many geeks (TMO and other people) would make many apps - that may not be finansially a big deal, but because of the linux community benificial for very specified needs.

Furthermore, maps is something Nokia will keep developing and will put alot effort in so Nokia will have the best navigation "app" integrated + it's free. The recognised that Google maps had some great features but that many of thoose would be implemented in Nokia maps as well (fx public transportation lines would be implemented)

edit: I'm thinking of buying a black N9 and a afterwards use a soft cover (cyan) like this one
http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/nokia-soft-cover-cc-1020-for-nokia-n9-blue-p30618.htm

the cover is only about 1 mm thin.

[Guffaw]

http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/09/nokia-n9-european-pricing-confirmed-online-stores/

Update: We also received a tip from a trustful source that Nokia N9 will launch in Norway at €570 (incl. taxes) near the end of this month.

:D

[Zoxir]

Price of 299 euros hidden by html-commenting multiple times! Same price can be found in all countries availability-sites.

But that's not all (I think):



LOL I just checked the greek site same thing here. That will be so awesome if it turns out to be true

[Cassio]

edit: I'm thinking of buying a black N9 and a afterwards use a soft cover (cyan) like this one
http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/nokia-soft-cover-cc-1020-for-nokia-n9-blue-p30618.htm

the cover is only about 1 mm thin.

Dunno if it was mentioned before, but it seems there are a lot more colors of soft covers coming:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XzwlxZF-vo#t=1m14s
:)

[Hihu]

LOL I just checked the greek site same thing here. That will be so awesome if it turns out to be true

Don't rush into shops yet! Same price can actually be found in every Nokias phone sites source code. - At least Nokia 500 (http://www.nokia.fi/tuotteet/kaikki-puhelimet/nokia-500) and Nokia N8 (http://www.nokia.fi/tuotteet/kaikki-puhelimet/nokia-n8) ;)

[Ministeri]

Don't rush into shops yet! Same price can actually be found in every Nokias phone sites source code. - At least Nokia 500 (http://www.nokia.fi/tuotteet/kaikki-puhelimet/nokia-500) and Nokia N8 (http://www.nokia.fi/tuotteet/kaikki-puhelimet/nokia-n8) ;)

http://jonhoward.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/04/01/doh.jpg

Back to the six hundred-ish then.

[jalyst]

http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/09/nokia-n9-european-pricing-confirmed-online-stores/



:D

That's an old story....
M.E. post some really old stories quite often.
I like the other price much better :D

[Lindegaard]

it seems like Nokia will continue symbian for quite some time:
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=da&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=da&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.computerworld.dk%2Fart%2F166571 %2Fher-er-nokias-hemmelige-windows-alternativ%3Fa%3Dfp_3%26i%3D7

the story one describe that Nokia will keep the Windows strategy and have another strategy in the background as well - the swipe. But since the swipe is written in qt we probably shouldn't set too high expectations that Nokia will keep Meego, but rather still use symbain but with swipe...


I read in another story today that Microsoft are developing MS Office for symbain (Belle) as well (dont know if they mean qt or simply just symbian ) so with MS functions/apps getting integrated in symbain Anna and Belle its quite certain that it is the symbian way and not Meego way Nokia will go
- as a backup/low-mid budget alternative to mid-high end windows, that is...

[tissot]

OK i really need that N9 soon.

Sold my iphone 4 1-2 weeks ago, sold my N900 some months ago, same for GS.

I only got my backup phone... of my backup phone.
6260 that looks it's survived couple of wars as 80% of the paint is gone and most of the silver trim is just gone.You can almost see what's shown on the screen.

http://www.mobile-phones-uk.org.uk/images/nokia6260.gif

Something like mid October is too far away that i can tell. :D

[Guffaw]

That's an old story....
M.E. post some really old stories quite often.
I like the other price much better :D

True :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t5yWwLySpo
New video? :cool:

[mikecomputing]

LOL I just checked the greek site same thing here. That will be so awesome if it turns out to be true

now stop dreaming! nokia 500 price is set to 229 EUR not a chance n9 will cost 299 release day.

E7/N8 around 299 and OLD.

[mikecomputing]

it seems like Nokia will continue symbian for quite some time:
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=da&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=da&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.computerworld.dk%2Fart%2F166571 %2Fher-er-nokias-hemmelige-windows-alternativ%3Fa%3Dfp_3%26i%3D7

the story one describe that Nokia will keep the Windows strategy and have another strategy in the background as well - the swipe. But since the swipe is written in qt we probably shouldn't set too high expectations that Nokia will keep Meego, but rather still use symbain but with swipe...


I read in another story today that Microsoft are developing MS Office for symbain (Belle) as well (dont know if they mean qt or simply just symbian ) so with MS functions/apps getting integrated in symbain Anna and Belle its quite certain that it is the symbian way and not Meego way Nokia will go
- as a backup/low-mid budget alternative to mid-high end windows, that is...


whats new with that!? no one has said symbian/QT should dissapear not even MrFlop

[jo21]

nokia just lost 60% in this quarter.

Q3 numbers are going to be awful.

whats funny 701, n9 going to be biggest seller of the year and not the 703

[Zoxir]

now stop dreaming! nokia 500 price is set to 229 EUR not a chance n9 will cost 299 release day.

E7/N8 around 299 and OLD.

LOL why didn't anyone notice the "IF THIS TURNS OUT TO BE TRUE" in my comment?

[jalyst]

<SNIP>I read in another story today that Microsoft are developing MS Office for symbain (Belle) as well (dont know if they mean qt or simply just symbian ) so with MS functions/apps getting integrated in symbain Anna and Belle its quite certain that it is the symbian way and not Meego way Nokia will go
- as a backup/low-mid budget alternative to mid-high end windows, that is...


We've kinda all known that for some time now.
Doesn't mean it's the best way to go...

[jalyst]

Maybe it is legit price, but a "contract" price.
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1735543&p=42#r837
It's too low to be an outright buy price...

[danramos]

can somebody say what bt chip used? because if same as n900/n950 its no way chance we get BT4.0

maybe some newer revision of hw will have it but...

Dorito....

[jalyst]

NFC: N9 does not have secure chip - so N9 is not our new Mastercard (unless somebody will make some sort of hach)

Yeah we know that the N9 doesn't have SWP implemented, hence no secure payments.
But I came across this the other day....
http://www.nfc-phones.org/secure-payments-with-nfc-phones-4-hardware-solutions/

Would it be possible for us to add SWP to our N9's through the use of a sticker or SIM?
Hence adding the final piece of useful NFC functionality that we've been denied.
I sure hope one of those options works well in practice, t'would be sweet!


<SNIP>other than that i can say that the VKB is the iphones VKB far superior imo (using 3gs daily).<SNIP>

I don't get this sentence, what are you saying?


The 3 homescreens and almost all of the bundled apps are written in MTF. This is a fact, at least in the old June firmware, and I much doubt they've rewritten all of that since.
It is easy to check, since there are some keyboard shortcuts to debug visual aspects that only work on MTF applications.

Thats pretty cool, do the Qt/QML apps have similar keyb short-cuts?


And I acknowledge that it is an assumption, hence the "likely". However, I cannot find any other product that uses the BV-5JW. The other high-end non-replaceable-battery Nokias, the N8 and the E7 use the BL-4D, which is a standard one, and is documented at nokia.com. Glancing through the models, I also saw that no other battery had a "BV" designation. It was mostly BLs and some BPs. Finally, on the repair manual the battery was completely unmarked, without the Nokia iridescent seal that "normal" models have, although this could just as well be because the dissected N9 was a prototype.<SNIP>

Time will tell! ;)

[Lindegaard]

whats new with that!? no one has said symbian/QT should dissapear not even MrFlop

I didn't say it was news, however the swipe thingy integrated into symbian is new infor for me - and that MS stuff would be integrated.

Jalyst, I think we all agree that meego is the better way to go, instead of keeping symbian alive.

[jalyst]

Never had problem with him bringing WP into the stable, probably a ok move overall.
It's just the way he went about destroying everything else in the process.

[ericsson]

http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/09/nokia-n9-european-pricing-confirmed-online-stores/



:D

Old news, look/follow this to see prices.

http://www.prisjakt.no/product.php?p=923107

[ericsson]

whats new with that!? no one has said symbian/QT should dissapear not even MrFlop

What's new is that Nokia has confirmed (for all practical purposes) that we will see lots of cool devices based on Swipe/Qt. We will see both WP and Swipe phones coming.

[jalyst]

We will see WP and Swipe phones coming.

If you're talking about SwipeUX being entirely transposed to WP longer-term.
Then if it's done without Qt, Nokia can kiss goodbye to even more power in the software sphere.
If true, MS's getting far more out of the deal LT....

[bequezox]

SNIP...I don't get this sentence, what are you saying?...SNAP


Sorry if it was unclear...

Me, myself and I = N9 VKB

Cornflakes = Iphone VKB

result: N9 VKB eats Iphone VKB for breakfast, as in N9 is the superior one :)!!

[ericsson]

If you're talking about SwipeUX being entirely transposed to WP longer-term.
Then if it's done without Qt, Nokia can kiss goodbye to even more power in the software sphere.
If true, MS's getting far more out of the deal LT....

That was not it. You are getting all worked up by your own imagination, you are FUD'ing yourself basically.

[jalyst]

^ LOL okay, settle matey, no need to get all hot & bothered.

[danramos]

What's new is that Nokia has confirmed (for all practical purposes) that we will see lots of cool devices based on Swipe/Qt. We will see both WP and Swipe phones coming.

TRANSLATION: Noooooo! BUT THEY PROMISED!!!

And the opposite of FUD--the stuff of Apple faithful: blind faith in the face of facts and the evident. Nokia has sidled themselves with a losing horse, a provable loser so far.

[jalyst]

That wasn't an engineer, right? DLNA UI work was slated to future releases. N9/50 are both capable to do 720p DLNA streaming over wifi, no issues with that.

@abbra

Do you think 1080p would be feasible when using 802.11an + DLNA?
e.g. uncompressed high-profile MKV's w/"HD" audio. (basically BD rips)
I know in-theory (so long as one has a good WiFi set-up) the bandwidth should be there for 1x "HD" stream.
Just not sure exactly how DLNA comes into play, & how smooth/reliable it'd be in practice.

Isn't Nokia an international company?
They should tap their whole distribution network before they offer a different OS based phone, in my opinion.
Even when OQO was going out of business, they still found a brand new OQO 01+ to send to me upon not being able to fix it. And it came from Japan - sealed up.
Simply stated, not even 1 year - check the posts about alternate phones being offered - look at how they were offering that as early as 1 year after N900 delivery.
And it's becoming more widespread. That's not cool at all.

But there's no straight-out replacement of every faulty N900 w/a N8 or E7 is there.

There's anecdotal evidence to prove they're sometimes being offered, instead of waiting.
And in come cases, sometimes being offered without asking!

But is there hard data to suggest that it really has been increasing since Sept 2010?
And even if it has, wouldn't one expect that to be the case, given the poor push/sales the N900 had?

And is such a practice truly unique to Nokia, or is it something that all vendors sometimes do?
I imagine many other major vendors have had to do this with certain lines/models.

Except with other vendors, users are usually offered the nextgen equivalent for free or some extra $.
In Nokia's situation it still didn't/doesn't have a nextgen equivalent, so the N8/E7 was/is the next best thing.

Anyway we're at the point now, where they're not really obligated any more.
The N900 was first launched in Sept 2009...
But I'd love to know the official RMA figures, & replacements stats since the launch!

and then one thing i forgot to mention is that he said that it'll support bluetooth mice and keyboards, and work as both usb host, and flashdrive...

What, USB-OTG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_On-The-Go)? Man Nokia confuses the hell out of me.
I thought this wasn't officially supported, & that community devs need to add it?
See here (search for "USB")
http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia

Surely he only meant slave functionality?
i.e. N9 can act as a mass-storage device.

and for the record, I was the guy they all laughed at when i asked wether it had fmtx/rx and respective antennas or not, in the 2nd row...

FM RX/RDS is progressing well thanks to community devs & Nokia help.
Read this thread starting from here...
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3902&page=4
I can't recall what their findings about TX are, don't think they've focussed on it yet.
And it's prolly best waiting until more people can test w/a N9 anyway.

[gerbick]

What's new is that Nokia has confirmed (for all practical purposes) that we will see lots of cool devices based on Swipe/Qt. We will see both WP and Swipe phones coming.

Until it is on sale, I wouldn't count on it.

[jalyst]

In Russia N9 is coming on 20-24th.

source? (reliable)

[Chuck Norris]

source? (reliable)

Putin just called and confirmed.

[jalyst]

Works for me.
Fact it is then.

*edit*
No but srsly, source?

[ericsson]

Until it is on sale, I wouldn't count on it.

I wouldn't count on it either, but I'm looking forward to it. Swipe definitely is my kind of UI.

[abbra]

@abbra

Do you think 1080p would be feasible when using 802.11an + DLNA?
e.g. uncompressed high-profile MKV's w/"HD" audio. (basically BD rips)
I know in-theory (so long as one has a good WiFi set-up) the bandwidth should be there for 1x "HD" stream.
Just not sure exactly how DLNA comes into play, & how smooth/reliable it'd be in practice.

There are two big "ifs" here:

Available network bandwidth, as you noted. In a typical home environment one could put a phone close to WiFi router, for example, to increase reliability and medium performance. It is a lifehack, of course. :)
Need to re-encode streamed content. There are different modes in DLNA and if N9/50 would be used as DLNA Media Server, it still might be forced to re-encode the content if DLNA Media Player (TV side) does not support codec in question. For example, when I stream audio to my PopCorn Hour, I have to re-encode it always to dumbest possible uncompressed format that PCH advertises during negotiation phase because it does not accept anything else. It is for audio, in video cases it happily takes 1080p MKV. :) For 1080p N9/50 simply has not enough juice to run re-encoding. 720p -> SD is fine though.

[somedude]

anybody knows the app install-able capacity in this device?

[mece]

anybody knows the app install-able capacity in this device?

On N950 (16GB) it's 3.9GB so I guess it's the same for N9, at least the 16GB version.

EDIT:
/ is 3.9GB, /home is 2.0GB and /home/user/MyDocs is 8.8GB on N950.

Filesystem details:
~ $ df -h
Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/root 3.9G 939.9M 2.8G 25% /
devtmpfs 10.0M 248.0K 9.8M 2% /dev
tmpfs 4.0M 108.0K 3.9M 3% /tmp
tmpfs 512.0K 144.0K 368.0K 28% /var/run
none 10.0M 248.0K 9.8M 2% /dev
tmpfs 64.0M 56.0K 63.9M 0% /dev/shm
/dev/mmcblk0p3 2.0G 346.5M 1.5G 18% /home
/dev/mmcblk0p1 8.8G 6.8G 2.0G 77% /home/user/MyDocs
aegisfs 3.9G 939.2M 2.8G 25% /home/user/private
aegisfs 3.9G 939.2M 2.8G 25% /home/user/.odnp/private
aegisfs 3.9G 939.2M 2.8G 25% /home/user/.positioningd/private
aegisfs 3.9G 939.2M 2.8G 25% /home/user/.mms/private
aegisfs 3.9G 939.2M 2.8G 25% /home/user/.odnp-fpcd/private
aegisfs 3.9G 939.2M 2.8G 25% /var/cache/timed/aegis
aegisfs 3.9G 939.2M 2.8G 25% /home/user/.slpgwd/layer
aegisfs 3.9G 939.2M 2.8G 25% /etc/ssl/certs
/dev/mapper/signonfs 6.8M 48.0K 6.4M 1% /home/user/.signon/signonfs-mnt

[somedude]

On N950 (16GB) it's 3.9GB so I guess it's the same for N9, at least the 16GB version.

EDIT:
/ is 3.9GB, /home is 2.0GB and /home/user/MyDocs is 8.8GB on N950.

So almost 9~10gb is used by the system. Thanks man..
is there any way the install-able space could be increased? 2GB for N900 sound enough when it first came out but as time went by there was only ~120MB remaining.

[jalyst]

http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/09/11/rumor-samsung-to-leave-windows-phone-by-2012/

[Hakki_01]

/ is 3.9GB, /home is 2.0GB and /home/user/MyDocs is 8.8GB on N950.


So if I understand it good, the Meego OS takes 2GB, there is 3,9GB for apps and then you have 8,8GB left for pictures, music, videos and other documents?

What about maps, are they placed onder the apps or under docs? What if 3,9GB is full (easier to do when maps are placed there)? can you assign other location?

[jalyst]

Anandtech: giddy as a school girl over the SGSII :) Sorry, very off-topic...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4686/samsung-galaxy-s-2-international-review-the-best-redefined/18
I'm getting a N9 64GB 1st, but my next Android will be SGSII or Nexus Prime.

[scapegoat845]

So if I understand it good, the Meego OS takes 2GB, there is 3,9GB for apps and then you have 8,8GB left for pictures, music, videos and other documents?

What about maps, are they placed onder the apps or under docs? What if 3,9GB is full (easier to do when maps are placed there)? can you assign other location?

Nice post. If there is 3.9GB for apps, i might just go wit the 64GB N9. Knowing that it'll most likely be my primary device for years to come....

[hayman]

is there any chance to get whatsapp to meego...?
(whatsapp) is already for symbian .

[Hakki_01]

is there any chance to get whatsapp to meego...?
(whatsapp) is already for symbian .

I am really afraid to lose it.. it depends on whatsapp, if they will make it available on meego or not.. let's hope so.. would pay for it again:)

[xerxes2]

So if I understand it good, the Meego OS takes 2GB, there is 3,9GB for apps and then you have 8,8GB left for pictures, music, videos and other documents?

What about maps, are they placed onder the apps or under docs? What if 3,9GB is full (easier to do when maps are placed there)? can you assign other location?

The root partition is 3.9gb total and harmattan on the n950 takes around 1gb. And no more space for apps than that and I doubt that you'll ever need more.

About maps I've no idea if they could be placed in MyDocs or not. If not they will chew space of the root partition I guess.

Edit: There is no /opt partition on harmattan so if you should compare the space available for apps with the n900 you'll have to add the space for / and /opt together.

[xerxes2]

This must be the sickest thing I've seen in a long time. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y5I6Qqmvs4

[abbra]

Maps are in MyDocs. http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950#Map_loader describes how to populate its cache while connected over USB which means MyDocs as that's the only partition exposed over USB.

[jalyst]

http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/nokia-developer-news/2011/09/09/fourteen-demo-apps-showcase-qt-on-n9

[jo21]

What's new is that Nokia has confirmed (for all practical purposes) that we will see lots of cool devices based on Swipe/Qt. We will see both WP and Swipe phones coming.

stop spreading ********, microsoft wont allow fragmention.


Windows phone its not gotta get QT OR swipe UI. nokia won't see Swipe UX on nokia phone unless they drop WP

[ajalkane]

Thats pretty cool, do the Qt/QML apps have similar keyb short-cuts?


AFAIK no. I seem to remember seeing some environment variables that you could use to show some of these things in QML apps.

Of course, since N9 does not have hw keyboard these kind of short-cuts are pretty meaningless, MTF or QML.

[Cassio]

stop spreading ********, microsoft wont allow fragmention.


Windows phone its not gotta get QT OR swipe UI. nokia won't see Swipe UX on nokia phone unless they drop WP

He probably meant that there will be Windows Phones and Swipe Phones (2 different products), not that Windows Phone will get QT OR swipe UI. Probably Swipe will go on S40, I suggest reading this article:

http://mynokiablog.com/2011/09/08/video-marko-ahtisaari-on-n9-i-know-we-have-out-simplified-the-iphone-swipe-to-come-to-lower-price-points-and-possibly-next-billion/comment-page-1/#comments

...and watching this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UGAhD1XmJkU#t=1m54s

see that "swipe gesture" on the menu? (it kind of sucks tho :rolleyes:)

[mikecomputing]

http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/09/11/rumor-samsung-to-leave-windows-phone-by-2012/

ROTFL that would be awesome and then they go Meego Harmattan instead LOL

[jo21]

He probably meant that there will be Windows Phones and Swipe Phones (2 different products), not that Windows Phone will get QT OR swipe UI. Probably Swipe will go on S40, I suggest reading this article:

http://mynokiablog.com/2011/09/08/video-marko-ahtisaari-on-n9-i-know-we-have-out-simplified-the-iphone-swipe-to-come-to-lower-price-points-and-possibly-next-billion/comment-page-1/#comments

...and watching this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UGAhD1XmJkU#t=1m54s

see that "swipe gesture" on the menu? (it kind of sucks tho :rolleyes:)

not their main smartphone platform like it will matter.

there is no plans of new ui for symbian after BELLE,
unless s40 turns into a competing smartphone/tablet OS. simply won't matter :/

[BwackNinja]

I'm mostly new to Maemo, having never owned a device and only getting into it with the N900, so has Nokia ever really showed itself putting any of its weight behind Maemo? I see "internet tablet" and "mobile computer" as descriptions of the Maemo devices, with the N900 being the only phone of the lot (and once the N9 is finally out, that too). As far as I can see, it was never meant to be a phone platform despite how well it fits in especially considering how smartphone platforms are now, and thus never meant to compete with Nokia's bread and butter, Symbian.

Is this at all reasonable, or am I just spouting crap now?

[jalyst]

IIRC Noikia conducted some internal research...
And came to the conclusion that Symbian was ultimately deprecated, & that a sucessor would be needed LT.
Hence the birth of the Maemo project....
But yes, originally they did focus on a form-factor that was quite a bit more differentiated.

It's been discussed dozens of times, but in a nutshell they never treated Maemo seriously enough.

Symbian was seen as the "Golden Goose"....
And when they finally started to treat it with at least equal focus, it was way too late to deliver in a timely manner.
Everyone likes to say it was the Intel tie-up that slowed things down drastically.
But a harder focus on Maemo+Qt far too late, was a much bigger factor. Arii (former tech lead) confirmed that recently.

[jo21]

meego harmattan was code in 9 months.

which isnt bad, but it would be done earlier it wasnt for bad management

elop made things worse.

[danramos]

http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/09/11/rumor-samsung-to-leave-windows-phone-by-2012/

Samsung is a well-run company, very successful and even THEY know a loser when they see one. Nokia--Not so much.

This must be the sickest thing I've seen in a long time. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y5I6Qqmvs4

OHNO! Tell me it ain't so! Somebody was able to replicate Nokia's only advantage??? Noooooooooo! hahahah.. Nokia is placing all the wrong bets and all of its incredibly fragile eggs in the same basket. You didn't seriously think that Swipe was going to make Nokia uniquely favorable?

I'm mostly new to Maemo, having never owned a device and only getting into it with the N900, so has Nokia ever really showed itself putting any of its weight behind Maemo? I see "internet tablet" and "mobile computer" as descriptions of the Maemo devices, with the N900 being the only phone of the lot (and once the N9 is finally out, that too). As far as I can see, it was never meant to be a phone platform despite how well it fits in especially considering how smartphone platforms are now, and thus never meant to compete with Nokia's bread and butter, Symbian.

Is this at all reasonable, or am I just spouting crap now?

Even with the N900, it doesn't fit in very well as a phone. As you correctly pointed out, it was never designed from the beginning to be a phone OS, it was and still is far better suited to an Internet Tablet form factor, not a phone. As a phone, it falls behind miserably and has problems--particularly compared to most of its competition. As an Internet device or a portable ARM-based Linux computer, it's great though. I've yet to see N9's being reviewed by reasonably critical reviewers who don't have some kind of self-interest involved in telling you its flaws... so we'll see how the N9 works out in practice, if it ever comes out.

meego harmattan was code in 9 months.

which isnt bad, but it would be done earlier it wasnt for bad management

elop made things worse.

Something about that number doesn't seem right--and it also doesn't take into account the time Maemo and Moblin existed beforehand... from which MeeGo came from. Nevermind that Harmattan is more Maemo than MeeGo.

[eMiL]

Apparently the N9 is now available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqEXzVtmIfk) in the far east :D

[hayman]

apparently the n9 is now available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqexzvtmifk) in the far east :d

fake :d:d:d:d:d:d:d

[hotnikkelz]

http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/12/crickey-nokias-n9-goes-up-for-preorder-in-australia/

...that price makes one weep

[mooglez]

If you happen to be in Helsinki, Finland, you can get your hands dirty with N9 tomorrow:

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fi&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elisa.fi%2Fstudio%2F

[Cue]

http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/12/crickey-nokias-n9-goes-up-for-preorder-in-australia/

...that price makes one weep

from? As in, the 64GB version is going to be even more expensive?

[PortaDiFerro]

http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/12/crickey-nokias-n9-goes-up-for-preorder-in-australia/

...that price makes one weep

WTF @ that price! They surely are trying to make sure it will not succeed. I don't think I'll be ready to pay that much, even though I really want one. :(

[scapegoat845]

http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/09/domain-qt-announced-qt-project-org/

[SneakyC4]

If the fat Elop doesn't want the N9 come to me... I shall come to the N9!

Anyone knows the price in Asia, my gf is going there, I might take one hey:D

I heard about a 299 bucks?

Can't wait!:D

[reeed]

If the fat Elop doesn't want the N9 come to me... I shall come to the N9!

Anyone knows the price in Asia, my gf is going there, I might take one hey:D

I heard about a 299 bucks?

Can't wait!:D

Hold on there,
It's not even released anywhere yet.
Don't get too hasty or you could end up with a fake.

[afaq]

My insurance company called me to say they could not replace my N900 as their supplier was unable to locate one.

They offered the N8 and Samsung Galaxy S.
I refused both as they are outdated devices and the guy said "but do you know how old the N900 is?" - my response "yes but I value the N900 to be much greater". Unable to convince me they agreed to settle by giving me £300 so i could buy a new one from Amazon.

What to do? choices choices...

[Rugoz]

WTF @ that price! They surely are trying to make sure it will not succeed. I don't think I'll be ready to pay that much, even though I really want one.


make a trip to europe with singapore airlines and you can get a N9 in singapore for 299 ;)

[scapegoat845]

So sad....

http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/09/12/nokia-700-and-701-shipping/

[don_falcone]

...5681 posts, still no N9, and you keep speculating? What a, umm, "hot" topic... ;)

[jalyst]

http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/12/crickey-nokias-n9-goes-up-for-preorder-in-australia/

...that price makes one weep

That story is about one month old....
I knew engadget would only zero in on on it, & then highlight how high priced it is.
It's probably the worst price there is going around in Australia atm.
Don't forget that almost every type of CE is usually way more expensive in Australia than NA, EU, & many countries in Asia.

[jalyst]

Apparently the N9 is now available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqEXzVtmIfk) in the far east :D

LOL it's a N9 KIRF (& a horrid one at that), never thought I'd see the day!

[don_falcone]

What's a KIRF? A Vietnamese something?

[scapegoat845]

What's a KIRF? A Vietnamese something?

KIRF
Keep it real falcone...

[jalyst]

If the fat Elop doesn't want the N9 come to me... I shall come to the N9!

Anyone knows the price in Asia, my gf is going there, I might take one hey:D

I heard about a 299 bucks?

Can't wait!:D

You won't get it for anywhere near 299USD.
Expect a price similar to the top-end Android handsets, maybe even slightly more.
It will go down over time, of course.....
We won't know solid pricing for most countries for another 2wks, maybe more.
There are prices out already, but most shouldn't be trusted entirely, yet.

[gerbick]

Holy ****. $829 AUD!?

[jalyst]

My insurance company called me to say they could not replace my N900 as their supplier was unable to locate one.

They offered the N8 and Samsung Galaxy S.
I refused both as they are outdated devices and the guy said "but do you know how old the N900 is?" - my response "yes but I value the N900 to be much greater". Unable to convince me they agreed to settle by giving me £300 so i could buy a new one from Amazon.

What to do? choices choices...

Buy a N9, of course :D

[jalyst]

Holy ****. $829 AUD!?

Yeah and that's for the 16GB, it's a joke*, "Hardly Normal" is almost always a rip-off.
Quick search and I can find the 64GB (http://www.thinkofus.com.au/Nokia-N9-64GB-p/6042.htm?utm_source=getprice&utm_medium=cpc) for less than that...

The best SGSII prices are about $180AUD less, so it's still going to struggle massively.
In all fairness the SGSII's been here for about 6months, so it's had more time to settle.

Then of course there's the carrier/reseller contracts that are slowly starting to drip-out.
They're actually looking "okay-ish" compared to contracts available for SGSII etc.

*I don't care if it includes a headset, I'll buy a headset if I want one.
I don't want the cost of a headset included in the price if I don't need one!

[jalyst]

What's a KIRF? A Vietnamese something?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=KIRF
http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/KIRF

[jalyst]

So sad....

http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/09/12/nokia-700-and-701-shipping/

Gah!!! :mad:
I swear I'm going to start slaughtering kittens any day now... any day now...

[gerbick]

Yeah and that's for the 16GB, it's a joke*, "Hardly Normal" is almost always a rip-off.
Quick search and I can find the 64GB for less than that...
http://www.mobicity.com.au/nokia-n9-64gb.html?utm_source=getprice&utm_medium=cpc
http://www.thinkofus.com.au/Nokia-N9-64GB-p/6042.htm?utm_source=getprice&utm_medium=cpc
Then of course there's the carrier/reseller contracts that are slowly starting to drip-out.

SGSII prices are about $180 less on avg. so it's still going to struggle massively.
In all fairness the SGSII's been here for about 6months now, so it's had way more time to settle.

*I don't care if it includes a headset, I'll buy a headset if I want one.
I don't want the cost of a headset included in the price if I don't need one!

Well... looks like I'm waiting out the initial pricing then. No way I'm paying $800 USD for any phone. Ever.

[jalyst]

It's $770USD... mobicity's price has gone up again (was $769AUD, not 799), but thinkofus is still $745AUD.
It is not representative of pricing in NA/EU anyway....
Australia has a stronger dollar than the US, so that bumps the price up.
Plus CE is always more expensive here than most of the big economies in EU/NA, & many countries in Asia.

[mikecomputing]

Apparently the N9 is now available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqEXzVtmIfk) in the far east :D

Thanks for making me vomit...

[giorgosmit]

Thanks for making me vomit...

The tastefullness of this entire video is indeed staggering. The music, that weird bracelet thingy this guy (?) wears... but at least the faux N9 has a removable battery :p

[mikecomputing]

This ****ing to high prices must end.

And also to nokia:


RELEASE THE DAMN DEVICE NOW :mad:

[mikecomputing]

Well... looks like I'm waiting out the initial pricing then. No way I'm paying $800 USD for any phone. Ever.

Ashole Elop is for sure trying to kill it before even released by setting overprice.

I am sure WP **** phones will be sold for less than 400EUR :mad:

[mikecomputing]

Gah!!! :mad:
I swear I'm going to start slaughtering kittens any day now... any day now...

WHAT :O not the kittens faults Elop is an idiot...

[jalyst]

Nope. The kittens must die.

[umo120]

AT&T announces new Windows Phone lineup (http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_phone/b/windowsphone/archive/2011/09/12/at-amp-t-announces-new-windows-phone-lineup.aspx):

AT&T said they will carry three brand new Windows Phones this year including the HTC TITAN, the Samsung Focus™ S and the Samsung Focus™ Flash.

Interestingly there is no mention of Nokia WP7 phone. Should this be replicated by others I can't wait to see how Elop is going to succeed on his shiny new primary market without subsidized phones pushed by carriers.

[eMiL]

LOL it's a N9 KIRF (& a horrid one at that), never thought I'd see the day!

Dude I am a fracking testpilot for the N9 in Sweden! I think I know the real deal when I see it!





Notice the " :D " in my original comment? :D

[gerbick]

This ****ing to high prices must end.

To me, Nokia has always been higher priced than their competition, especially on the higher end. But that's to my typically subsidized, North American mentality.

To the non-American, that sounds like nonsense and our archaic carrier system and locked in contracts is plain ridiculous. But when your upfront costs are triple anybody else for the most part - or a premium over other devices - then people demand and expect more.

With that said, I'm not sure if it's Elop or prior Nokia decisions that drive those prices. We'll see once the WP7 phones come out how they're priced and know if Elop had a hand in that.

But honestly? This move doesn't exactly surprise me. But it doesn't mean I'll jump the gun to purchase it blindly. And I say that because my pockets, while could allow it, doesn't mean that I will follow suit.

[jn183]

OMFG... $950 for the 64GB on Ebay...

http://compare.ebay.com/like/300590241215?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar

I was thinking $500-$650 range. I figure I would get the 16GB and be happy. No way am I paying $800 for 16GB or $1000 for 64GB. Meego is cool and all but sorry.

Worst part, hardware for N9 is already outdated. I'm definitely not going to buy Nokia WP just because of the BS they are pulling with N9. That just show me how A-hole they are. I'm not going to support such A-Hole.

[gerbick]

Interestingly there is no mention of Nokia WP7 phone. Should this be replicated by others I can't wait to see how Elop is going to succeed on his shiny new primary market without subsidized phones pushed by carriers.

Not really. AT&T tends to not announce phones that have yet to be announced by the manufacturer yet.

[Joao]

Explanation about Nokias NFC-Phones. On many websites you could read; Nokias NFC-Phones dont have an embedded secure element and dont have SWP. Also on my website. So how will it support secure payments next year? This is confusing!
I decided to ask Nokia. They answered fast and I updated the info on my website today. if you still have questions, just ask.
http://www.nfc-phones.org/ Focus on availability of NFC-Phones, list by country and by carrier. NEW; page Finland added, only a few Phones available yet, but I wanted to please the rapidly growing group of Finnish visitors. Thank you.

[jalyst]

^ Right... So... What did they say about the lack of SWP for the N9?
Will we be able to add it retrospectively through the use of a sticker or SIM, & will they support that?

[jalyst]

OMFG... $950 for the 64GB on Ebay...

http://compare.ebay.com/like/300590241215?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar

I was thinking $500-$650 range. I figure I would get the 16GB and be happy. No way am I paying $800 for 16GB or $1000 for 64GB. Meego is cool and all but sorry.

Worst part, hardware for N9 is already outdated. I'm definitely not going to buy Nokia WP just because of the BS they are pulling with N9. That just show me how A-hole they are. I'm not going to support such A-Hole.

That price is a joke... I'm not sure if this is "thanks to Nokia"...
I reckon this retailer is just exploiting people that don't have it in their country.
Or are desperate to buy it at any cost, because they're sick of waiting.
Or are just too dumb to do any proper homework etc....

[jalyst]

http://www.knownokia.ca/2011/09/amidst-rogue-ssl-certs-your-nokia.html

[frostbyte]

Well... looks like I'm waiting out the initial pricing then. No way I'm paying $800 USD for any phone. Ever.

Nor am I. But that hasn't stopped No-where-to-be-seen-kia slapping on some handsomely high sticker prices before, case in point N96 from 2008 (http://techcrunch.com/2008/09/03/nokia-n96-now-shipping-who-doesnt-want-one-really/).


edit: unless it comes with rocket launchers. I need some g**damn rocket launchers.

[Chuck Norris]

Phones are way to cheap in us. $700-800 is a fair price according to me. That is the price for most new smartphones in Europe. So it's fair :D

[smegheadz]

Gah!!! :mad:
I swear I'm going to start slaughtering kittens any day now... any day now...

i think you need to be more controversial and threaten to beat old ladies to death with baby seals!

[gerbick]

Phones are way to cheap in us. $700-800 is a fair price according to me. That is the price for most new smartphones in Europe. So it's fair

Fair? Dude, for $749, I can get a Mac Book Air - last gen, unopened, delivered and running OS X 10.7. Or I could get a Drobo S and fill it with drives. Or I could build a couple of Linux servers. Or I could get a Xoom, a Grid 10 tablet and still have some money left over. I could get all kinds of stuff for around $800... but a phone?

**** that.

You hit above $550 USD in the US, you're basically not going to sell much.

And in 2008, Nokia asking $800 for a N96, a lot of the current positions are making sense to me now.

That's way too high for North America. Period.

[gerbick]

i think you need to be more controversial and threaten to beat old ladies to death with baby seals!

I've mentioned drop-kicking old ladies already in this thread. So you wanna up the ante?

Ok... I'm drop kicking old ladies for deli meats with soccer cleats on in their temples... it is on like Donkey Kong!

[Chuck Norris]

Ok, it's not just phones. Computers are unbelievable cheap too.

Wtf spambot time.

[vivmak]

My insurance company called me to say they could not replace my N900 as their supplier was unable to locate one.

They offered the N8 and Samsung Galaxy S.
I refused both as they are outdated devices and the guy said "but do you know how old the N900 is?" - my response "yes but I value the N900 to be much greater". Unable to convince me they agreed to settle by giving me £300 so i could buy a new one from Amazon.

What to do? choices choices...
Get one on ebay for less than that and put rest of the money in a fixed deposit account for rest of the year ;)

[vivmak]

I like the EURO 299 price, anything above that is no no no, this price has set some expectations already for me :)

[mikecomputing]

Explanation about Nokias NFC-Phones. On many websites you could read; Nokias NFC-Phones dont have an embedded secure element and dont have SWP. Also on my website. So how will it support secure payments next year? This is confusing!
I decided to ask Nokia. They answered fast and I updated the info on my website today. if you still have questions, just ask.
http://www.nfc-phones.org/ Focus on availability of NFC-Phones, list by country and by carrier. NEW; page Finland added, only a few Phones available yet, but I wanted to please the rapidly growing group of Finnish visitors. Thank you.

rumors are saying carriers want to have security build in SIM card (atleast here in sweden). banks a dogslow in new technologics in northeupean it seems :mad:

also samsung will NOT even release any NFC phone in sweden. I guess this is cause to damn carriers or banks in norteuropean that is so stupid and cant even get a working online bank login system working, indepedent on what OS we are using. In some banks here you must use ****ing windowscomputer to pay bills. thats what I call stupid.

so I guess it will take to WW3 or 2050 before we can pay with mobile... also it will only work if you have a ****ing Iphone or WPx...

[Rugoz]

currently:

galaxy 2: 500 francs (565$)
N9 64G: 650 francs (735$)
iphone 4 32G: 750 francs (848$)

hope price will fall.

[jalyst]

<SNIP>That's way too high for North America. Period.

If the non-subsidised price comes down $180AUD here in Australia.
And if the SGSII price doesn't drop any further*. Then it will do well.
I hope they drop the RRP a lot more in the next few months.

The 1st bunch of subsidised plans that've come out actually aren't bad.
They need to improve a bit, but they're definitely not horrid...
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1735543&p=43#r842

But the contract-free prices definitely need to improve....

*It's been here for about 6-months

[jalyst]

I like the EURO 299 price, anything above that is no no no, this price has set some expectations already for me :)

That has to be a mistake or a subsidised price, surely.
Me likey too though.... :)

[Kuuskutonen]

Nokia confirmed N9 prices in Finland.

-16GB 599€
-64GB 699€

Coming for sale in october

[mikecomputing]

currently:

galaxy 2: 500 francs (565$)
N9 64G: 650 francs (735$)
iphone 4 32G: 750 francs (848$)

hope price will fall.

so price is higher for iflop ohh forgot it has 99999999999999 appps

[JiiHoo]

Nokia confirmed N9 prices in Finland.

-16GB 599€
-64GB 699€

Coming for sale in october

Interesting to see how much cheaper the price will be on retailers. Flagship-store prices are always what they are...

[jalyst]

Nokia confirmed N9 prices in Finland.

-16GB 599€
-64GB 699€

Coming for sale in october

Crap, that's about the same as Australia's RRP IIRC*.
Is that including the VAT thingy you guys have over there?
If that's representative of the rest of the EU's RRP, then it's a shame.
Usually the EU is quite a bit cheaper....

*need to double-check later

[Bernard]

If the original tweet in may from Eldar was correct only 92.000 devices will be made. That would explain the high price. A niche device.
IF that is true it also means that Nokia really doesn't believe in the system, and doesn't want to sell too many, because it would increase the pressure to keep supporting the platform for a longer time.

Could also be that the device will just be premium priced at first and drop really fast in price (N900 started at 600 euros, and dropped to 400 within 6 months, if I'm not mistaken) .

Still, I will first want to read a review before I buy it at that price. if it is below 400, I will buy it in any event.

[jalyst]

Eldar's a joke, most of the stuff he says is utter crap...
He speaks so much crap that some of it's bound to be correct.
Esp. when he keeps changing what the original fact was to a new 'fact'.

[jalyst]

Crap just noticed this ticks video calling
http://shop.vodafone.com.au/mobile-specs/Nokia-N9-Black-64GB#whybuythis
http://shop.vodafone.com.au/mobile-details/Nokia-N9-Black-64GB
Do we finally have proof it's there!?

I've seen vague assertions from Nokia devs @ the meego forum that it'll be there.
But when I've tried to get them to clarify further they've gone (irritatingly) silent.

[hotnikkelz]

IF that is true it also means that Elop really doesn't believe in the system, and hedoesn't want to sell too many, because it would increase the pressure to sell the wp7 platform for a longer time.


fixed your post a lil bit

[abill_uk]

Something is VERY wrong on this site now, there is no moderation at all it seems and we are being spammed to hell and nothing is being done, just tried to message texrat and his mail box is full.

[aironeous]

edit: unless it comes with rocket launchers. I need some g**damn rocket launchers.
To leave some feedback for Elop?
I know what you mean. I had a dream last night I was in an Apache helicopter watching Elop go to his car and oopsy I pressed the trigger and toasted him with a hellfire missile.
I thought command said I was clear to engage. My mistake.

[BigBadGuber!]

Something is VERY wrong on this site now, there is no moderation at all it seems and we are being spammed to hell and nothing is being done, just tried to message texrat and his mail box is full.

just blame Elop for the spam. Elop is here to hurt us!!!!!

[abill_uk]

just blame Elop for the spam. Elop is here to hurt us!!!!!

HA dont.... you could very well be right :confused:

[jo21]

textrat probably have him blocked.

it they were to ban someone it would be you too.

[abill_uk]

I reckon once the N9 comes out.... this place will be shut down.

[OVK]

Nokia confirmed N9 prices in Finland.

-16GB 599€
-64GB 699€

Coming for sale in october

Horribly expensive. And coming in October (in Finland) is also a lot later that I hoped for.

[biatch0]

Prices for the N9 in Malaysia are as follows:

16GB @ RM1799 (approx USD590 with current exchange rate)
64GB @ RM2088 (approx USD685 with current exchange rate)

Supposedly available early October.

[abill_uk]

Just buy an iphone and be done with it hahahaha might as well join in eh :p

Them prices for a device that will NOT have any Nokia support ???? WOW.

[danramos]

Eldar's a joke, most of the stuff he says is utter crap...
He speaks so much crap that some of it's bound to be correct.
Esp. when he keeps changing what the original fact was to a new 'fact'.

Yeah, but this tends to be the correct stuff, it seems. Right? At least he has the good sense to provide updates when the rumors change (what you like to paint as revised facts). How's Elop working out for you as a source of utter crap... er.. newwwws? ...and he's the CEO! :)

Something is VERY wrong on this site now, there is no moderation at all it seems and we are being spammed to hell and nothing is being done, just tried to message texrat and his mail box is full.

Well, for crying out loud, STOP SPAMMING then!
okok, kidding. ;)

I reckon once the N9 comes out.... this place will be shut down.

I reckon this place will run out of funding before the N9 comes out. ;)

[jalyst]

Yeah, but this tends to be the correct stuff, it seems. Right? At least he has the good sense to provide updates when the rumors change (what you like to paint as revised facts). How's Elop working out for you as a source of utter crap... er.. newwwws? ...and he's the CEO! :

Wot? :confused:
Are you srsly arguing for eldar as an even partially decent source of info?
You've got to be kidding me.

*EDIT*
My bad....
The point you were making is that even he's better than the clear-cut yes/no answers we're still not getting from Nokia WRT hw/sw/support etc.
I guess I kinda partially agree with that, but it's a stretch.

[abill_uk]

Yeah, but this tends to be the correct stuff, it seems. Right? At least he has the good sense to provide updates when the rumors change (what you like to paint as revised facts). How's Elop working out for you as a source of utter crap... er.. newwwws? ...and he's the CEO! :)



Well, for crying out loud, STOP SPAMMING then!
okok, kidding. ;)



I recon this place will run out of funding before the N9 comes out. ;)

In all of Nokia's history i have never seen happen what is happening right now with them and if they DO stop Meego production devices as he said he will do then this forum aint gonne have anything left to talk about but Windows and more WP.

I was joking about the iphone but seriously it might even start to look interesting when this WP gets released later this year.

Elop has lost a lot of customers even now and the decline will eventually shock the board of directors enough to get him out hopefully.

[jalyst]

In all of Nokia's history i have never seen happen what is happening right now with them and if they DO stop Meego production devices as he said he will do then this forum aint gonne have anything left to talk about but Windows and more WP.

I was joking about the iphone but seriously it might even start to look interesting when this WP gets released later this year.

Elop has lost a lot of customers even now and the decline will eventually shock the board of directors enough to get him out hopefully.

Of course this forum will (or at least the MeeGo forum) be around for a few more years.
There will still be a community of users around the N900/N9/N950.

Like Der... Were you dropped on your head as baby or something?

[abill_uk]

Of course this forum will (or at least the MeeGo forum) be around for a few more years.
There will still be a community of users around the N900/N9/N950.

Like Der... Were you dropped on your head as baby or something?

That is opinion only and as for someone who is totally obsessed with the N9 as you surely are your latter comment makes me wonder if this in fact the case for YOU.

I think you should go see a doctor at the very least !.

[jalyst]

That is opinion only and as for someone who is totally obsessed with the N9 as you surely are your latter comment makes me wonder if this in fact the case for YOU.

I think you should go see a doctor at the very least !.

I'm not obsessed, I have a life outside the N9 believe me, woo!

It's just that 90% of the stuff you write makes no sense whatsoever.
And the only stuff that ever *kinda* does, is stuff you parrot based on what someone else has said.

Plus you often contradict yourself from one day to the next.
It's like you're two or three different lobotomised personalities :D

[JiiHoo]

Damn, retailer price in Finland looks not be any cheaper than flagship store's (price was updated from yesterday's 999,99€):

http://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/27153/dccgd/Nokia-N9-alypuhelin-16GB-musta

But it might still drop a bit, one can hope...

[jalyst]

^ Yeah wider retail pricing always drops way below the RRP.
The RRP is not a good starting point though, I was hoping for much lower.

[abill_uk]

I'm not obsessed, I have a life outside the N9 believe me, woo!

It's just that 90% of the stuff you write makes no sense whatsoever.
And the only stuff that ever *kinda* does, is stuff you parrot based on what someone else has said.

Plus you often contradict yourself from one day to the next.
It's like your two or three different lobotomised personalities :D

You spend every day on this thread from the minute you wake up to the last thing at night and anyone can see by the times and frequents of your posting on this thread, sometimes i have seen 3 or more posts in a row with just about everything anyone could ever find about the N9 on the internet and you say you have a life outside of the device.... WOW your derranged you really are.

Go check your own history !! your so weird i am not even going to reply to any more of your shite.

[mooglez]

Damn, retailer price in Finland looks not be any cheaper than flagship store's (price was updated from yesterday's 999,99€):

http://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/27153/dccgd/Nokia-N9-alypuhelin-16GB-musta

But it might still drop a bit, one can hope...

They are just updating the prices to match the now best known prices (and incidentally,it should help them to catch more preorders than gigantti, which is still listing N9 for 999e)

The actual final price will be whatever it happens to be when the phone actually is available.

The Nokia flagship store prices of 699e should be the highest you will see (even Sonera can't be so insane as to try to sell it for 50e more than Nokia)

[jalyst]

You spend every day on this thread fom the minute you wake up to the last thing at night and anyone can see by the times and frequents of your posting on this thread, sometimes i have seen 3 or more posts in a row with just about everything anyone could ever find about the N9 on the internet and you say you have a life outside of the device.... WOW your derranged you really are.

Go check your own history !! your so weird i am not even going to reply to any more of your ********.

Not really, some folk can squeeze bucket-loads into a day ya know.
TBH, by the content of your posts, you're definitely the weirder & more deranged person.

[Hihu]

They are just updating the prices to match the now best known prices (and incidentally,it should help them to catch more preorders than gigantti, which is still listing N9 for 999e)

The actual final price will be whatever it happens to be when the phone actually is available.

The Nokia flagship store prices of 699e should be the highest you will see (even Sonera can't be so insane as to try to sell it for 50e more than Nokia)

Finnish operators:
Soneras monthly price 25€ for 16G, 30€ for 64G.
http://www.sonera.fi/puhelin+ja+liittyma/puhelimet/nokia+n9

DNA monthly 25€ 16G.
http://www.dna.fi/verkkokauppa/puhelinjaliittyma/Sivut/liittymat.aspx?SWEPostnRowId=nokia-n9-16gb-black-24kk&Slot1=nokia-n9-16gb-black-24kk&Slot2=&source=/verkkokauppa/puhelinjaliittyma/Sivut/Default.aspx

No prices from Elisa/Saunalahti yet.:confused:

[eMiL]

Nokia retail stores have now apparently received display units! My friend who works at a official Nokia retail store posted this status about an hour back:

[prankster]

guys between dont under estimate the powers of N9/meego ,it is being tortured by devs ,take a closer look at this video ,gosh it is really something which deserves more than some one could think .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-WWoG6KGXM&feature=player_embedded

[abill_uk]

Not really, some folk can squeeze bucket-loads into a day ya know.
TBH, by the content of your posts, you're definitely the weirder & more deranged person.

This will be my last reply to your insanity.

I have just scrolled through all 20 pages of your history and the entirety of your 838 posts consist entirely of the N9 and you reckon you do not have a problem of obsession????.

I dare anyone to look through your history and IF they can find just ONE of your 838 posts non N9 related then they deserve a medal for findng it.

Man your one weirdo if i ever saw one and i hope you got your mummy there when you get your N9 because hell you in for one hell of a let down.

Concluded.

[danramos]

Wot? :confused:
Are you srsly arguing for eldar as an even partially decent source of info?
You've got to be kidding me.

*EDIT*
My bad....
The point you were making is that even he's better than the clear-cut yes/no answers we're still not getting from Nokia WRT hw/sw/support etc.
I guess I kinda partially agree with that, but it's a stretch.

Yeah, kinda the point was that Elop--the CEO--seems to be EVEN LESS reliable than someone spouting rumors and guesses. Seriously! I could communicate to you unwashed mendicants far, far better than Elop the CEO Flop can. ;)

Of course this forum will (or at least the MeeGo forum) be around for a few more years.
There will still be a community of users around the N900/N9/N950.

Like Der... Were you dropped on your head as baby or something?

I think the challenge there, and the point he's probably making--certainly I would be making--is that funding isn't going to last forever and there'll be less and less reason to have a Maemo.org for sure--and MeeGo.org isn't a particularly good place for end-users... sooo... there's that. :)

Not really, some folk can squeeze bucket-loads into a day ya know.
TBH, by the content of your posts, you're definitely the weirder & more deranged person.

This will be my last reply to your insanity.

I have just scrolled through all 20 pages of your history and the entirety of your 838 posts consist entirely of the N9 and you reckon you do not have a problem of obsession????.

I dare anyone to look through your history and IF they can find just ONE of your 838 posts non N9 related then they deserve a medal for findng it.

Man your one weirdo if i ever saw one and i hope you got your mummy there when you get your N9 because hell you in for one hell of a let down.

Concluded.

Guys guys... settle down. I love you both equally. No need to fight--you're just going to kiss and make up later anyway. ;)

Nokia retail stores have now apparently received display units! My friend who works at a official Nokia retail store posted this status about an hour back:

That's right, folks! You can now look at what you CANNOT (unavailable in most places) or WILL NOT ($$$++) buy! ;) ...also... STILL not released. Just an important footnote. heheh

[jalyst]

This will be my last reply to your insanity.

I have just scrolled through all 20 pages of your history and the entirety of your 838 posts consist entirely of the N9 and you reckon you do not have a problem of obsession????.

I dare anyone to look through your history and IF they can find just ONE of your 838 posts non N9 related then they deserve a medal for findng it.

Man your one weirdo if i ever saw one and i hope you got your mummy there when you get your N9 because hell you in for one hell of a let down.

Concluded.

And your point is?
I've been talking mostly about the N9 for the past 4mth, because it's the device that's coming soon, apparently.

This forum is for the discussion of the N900/N9/N950.
And the N800/770, for those who still want to talk about them.

At least most of my posts demonstrate that I'm wanting learn more, or discuss constructively along those lines.
You add little-to-nothing of interest to the discussions in this forum, like ever.

I sometimes disagree with the points Dan & Gerbick try to make.
But at least the posts they make are often insightful, & rooted in logic/knowledge.

[danramos]

I sometimes disagree with the points Dan & Gerbick try to make.
But at least the posts they make are often insightful, & rooted in logic/knowledge.

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/2/25/7637032e-c7fb-4314-8ab5-c0ed6119e98e.jpg

My posts are CLEARLY 100% insight-free and contain absolutely no by-product roots of logic nor knowledge. We run a tight ship here and work hard to product high quality bull**** around here. Take that back! ;)

[giorgosmit]

a-bill, don't sweat it. From what I've seen, jalyst is a constructive member of this community. He actually knows his stuff, is by all signs a logical person, and a pleasure to talk to. He posts a lot here, but I have yet to see signs of instability or obssesiveness in him. He is, in short, the kind of forum member whose posts it pays to read.

You, on the other hand...

[abill_uk]

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/2/25/7637032e-c7fb-4314-8ab5-c0ed6119e98e.jpg

My posts are CLEARLY 100% insight-free and contain absolutely no by-product roots of logic nor knowledge. We run a tight ship here and work hard to product high quality bull**** around here. Take that back! ;)

WHERE did you find that cat ??????? hahahaha very good daaaan.

[danramos]

WHERE did you find that cat ??????? hahahaha very good daaaan.

Actually, funny enough--he looks EXACTLY like my older cat (Charcoal--so named because of the fur coloring). :)

[jalyst]

guys between dont under estimate the powers of N9/meego ,it is being tortured by devs ,take a closer look at this video ,gosh it is really something which deserves more than some one could think .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-WWoG6KGXM&feature=player_embedded

Yeah he's got some great concepts planned already, & that was a month ago.
I can't wait to see what's next with this guy, & the peeps he's collaborating with.
I definitely intend to help where I can, once I have my N9...

[abill_uk]

a-bill, don't sweat it. From what I've seen, jalyst is a constructive member of this community. He actually knows his stuff, is by all signs a logical person, and a pleasure to talk to. He posts a lot here, but I have yet to see signs of instability or obssesiveness in him. He is, in short, the kind of forum member whose posts it pays to read.

You, on the other hand...

He started it so i gave him back some of his own sarrrrrrcasm, suggest you read from the start then you will know and i have the right to pull him, rather that than be childish and report his posts.

He needs to learn something here... LIVE AND LET LIVE.

Young upstart that he is :p.

[danramos]

He started it so i gave him back some of his own sarrrrrrcasm, suggest you read from the start then you will know and i have the right to pull him, rather that than be childish and report his posts.

He needs to learn something here... LIVE AND LET LIVE.

Young upstart that he is :p.

We're 100% homogenous bull****, here at maemo.org! WE don't pollute our speech and opinions with inconsistencies like nuggets of wisdom or grains of salt. Oh no... we're PROUD of our product and we aim to deliver and do our CEO proud! ;)

[JiiHoo]

They are just updating the prices to match the now best known prices (and incidentally,it should help them to catch more preorders than gigantti, which is still listing N9 for 999e)

The actual final price will be whatever it happens to be when the phone actually is available.

The Nokia flagship store prices of 699e should be the highest you will see (even Sonera can't be so insane as to try to sell it for 50e more than Nokia)

True, that is most likely the case.

But no matter whether it is 600, 550 or 500 euros, I'm still going to buy it. :)

[jalyst]

Finnish operators:
Soneras monthly price 25€ for 16G, 30€ for 64G.
http://www.sonera.fi/puhelin+ja+liittyma/puhelimet/nokia+n9

DNA monthly 25€ 16G.
http://www.dna.fi/verkkokauppa/puhelinjaliittyma/Sivut/liittymat.aspx?SWEPostnRowId=nokia-n9-16gb-black-24kk&Slot1=nokia-n9-16gb-black-24kk&Slot2=&source=/verkkokauppa/puhelinjaliittyma/Sivut/Default.aspx

No prices from Elisa/Saunalahti yet.:confused:

How does that compare to the mthly plans they're offering for other top-end smartphones? (e.g. SGSII)
In Australia the 1st plans revealed (telco reseller called crazyjohns) or okay.
But they need to come down $5 in all the plans, on both the 12 & 24 month contracts IMO.

[jalyst]

He started it so i gave him back some of his own sarrrrrrcasm, suggest you read from the start then you will know and i have the right to pull him, rather that than be childish and report his posts.

He needs to learn something here... LIVE AND LET LIVE.

Young upstart that he is :p.

No....
You started it with the silly comments that you so consistently make.

[JiiHoo]

How does that compare to the mthly plans they're offering for other top-end smartphones? (e.g. SGSII)
In Australia the 1st plans revealed (telco reseller called crazyjohns) or okay.
But they need to come down $5 in all the plans, on both the 12 & 24 month contracts IMO.

For SGSII Sonera's price is 20€/month (with similar plan as for N9).

[abill_uk]

No....
You started it with the silly comments that you so consistently make.

Get back to your N9 and leave me out of it ok little man.

While i can appreciate some of your "work" stop to throw sarcasm and i wil not bite back... ageed?.

Some of us like a bit of fun now and then but i will tell you if it was not for this thread i reckon Maemo.org would be empty by now.

[danramos]

No....
You started it with the silly comments that you so consistently make.

Get back to your N9 and leave me out of it ok little man.

While i can appreciate some of your "work" stop to throw sarcasm and i wil not bite back... ageed?.

Some of us like a bit of fun now and then but i will tell you if it was not for this thread i reckon Maemo.org would be empty by now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xErRS80ZsFc#t=2m38s

[abill_uk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xErRS80ZsFc#t=2m38s

Sometimes i wanna kick your asssss :p

[ysss]

http://images.newstatesman.com/articles/2011//20110105_85531059_w.jpg

Attenborough: In the absence of proper moderation, members of the tribe has to learn to fend for themselves and learn to bite back; discouraging their peers and competitions to step on their toe. This fascinating behavior can be clearly seen in action here, as an older member of the tribe stops being 'report-happy' and starts to awkwardly learn the dance of the young..

[jalyst]

Get back to your N9 and leave me out of it ok little man.

While i can appreciate some of your "work" stop to throw sarcasm and i wil not bite back... ageed?.

Some of us like a bit of fun now and then but i will tell you if it was not for this thread i reckon Maemo.org would be empty by now.

Riiight....
Carry-on with your invaluable contributions/comments.

[Hihu]

How does that compare to the mthly plans they're offering for other top-end smartphones? (e.g. SGSII)
In Australia the 1st plans revealed (telco reseller called crazyjohns) or okay.
But they need to come down $5 in all the plans, on both the 12 & 24 month contracts IMO.

Sonera:
iPhone 32Gb: (phone + minimum contract)
22,00 €/month (24 months deal)
48,00 €/month (12 months deal)

SGS II: (phone only)
20€/month (24 months deal)

N9 prices we 24month phone only, minimum contract adds 1,99€/month.

[abill_uk]

Riiight....
Carry-on with your invaluable contributions/comments.

OK no problem, what are you going to do when nokia fail to support the N9? where will the support come from?.

[jalyst]

Your thoughts mean nothing...
Not long ago you were saying the N9 might be big success etc.
Mine have always been tempered.

[abill_uk]

Your thoughts mean nothing...
Not long ago you were saying the N9 might be big success etc.
Mine have always been tempered.

Thoughts change as you learn and the question you did not answer so i will throw it again, what will you do when nokia fail to support the N9? where will the support come from?.

[ysss]

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01383/Attenborough_1383445c.jpg

SIR Attenborough: Watch as the older primate tries to establish his dominance by repeatedly taunting the younger member of the tribe... while he tries to establish rapport by doing the 'buddy-buddy' dance for the popular members of the tribes...

[jalyst]

I don't know, I don't deal with unknowns...
Since it's unknown whether Nokia will drop support.
And it depends on what your definition of dropping support is.
So once are again you're as vague as bat-****.

[catbus]

where will the support come from?.

Read the tags:

N9 rox, who cares!

[abill_uk]

I don't know, I don't deal with unknowns...
Since it's unknown whether Nokia will drop support.
And it depends on what your definition of dropping support is.
So once are again you're as vague as bat-****.

Dont you think you should give it some thought, you and everybody who intends to buy the N9?.

The only thing that is "vague as batshite" is the support for the N9 that is very much in question.

It has already been published that there will be "minimul support" if any as this is the last Meego device nokia will poduce if it ever makes another.

Does the N900 not ring any bells as to "failed support" of Maemo?.

Real situation here while you lot are all totally obsessed by this device that you all seem to fail to see reality of it's future.

This thread has talked endlessly about the N9, what it can do and what it cannot do but what about support for everything that it 'cannot" do?.

Who will support it?.

[jalyst]

Dont you think you should give it some thought, you and everybody who intends to buy the N9?.

The only thing that is "vague as batshite" is the support for the N9 that is very much in question.

It has already been published that there will be "minimul support" if any as this is the last Meego device nokia will poduce if it ever makes another.

Does the N900 not ring any bells as to "failed support" of Maemo?.

Real situation here while you lot are all totally obsessed by this device that you all seem to fail to see reality of it's future.

This thread has talked endlessly about the N9, what it can do and what it cannot do but what about support for everything that it 'cannot" do?.

Who will support it?.

LOL whatever, not even going to respect you with a proper counter.
This discussion has been done-to-death already...
You're not raising any new points, or anything iron-clad for that matter.
You just want to look cool in front if your chosen little pose'.
I'll wait till Dan/Gerbick have something to say (if they CBFd), & then maybe offer my thoughts.

[abill_uk]

LOL whatever, not even going to respect you with a proper counter.
This discussion has been done-to-death already...
You're not raising any new points, or anything iron-clad for that matter.
You just want to look cool in front if your chosen little pose'.
I'll wait till Dan/Gerbick have something to say (if they CBFd), & then maybe offer my thoughts.

Then your stuck for an answer it appears, well there is a first because you always seem to have answers for everything else regardng the N9.

"The unknown" is exactly the reason to wait and see dont you think?.

Unlike you i am not a dreamer obsessed, i am a realist and judging by nokia's latter hisory it has a failure rate more than any other mobile manufacturer in this world, so yes my question has a remarkable amount of "importance" behind it.

Welcome back to reality !.

[mikecomputing]

fixed your post a lil bit

...And Elop is soon to be fired. Source: Eldar ;)

[abill_uk]

...And Elop is soon to be fired. Source: Eldar ;)

And your yet another obsessed dreamer, care to put some facts to that statement?.