N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!

[eMiL]

What I don't get is what you are doing here Abill! What do you want people like jalyst or me, who are eagerly awaiting the arrival of the N9, to say? In what way are you trying to influence us? Do you seriously think you and you alone will ever get me or someone like jalyst to just go "damn Abill, you are so right about non existent support, nokia backstabbing their customers, meego being DOA, blablabla, I'll just go android or iOS cuz you say so!"?

I certainly don't feel informed by your comments, and frankly, I have no idea what you are doing here! I don't want to be bad mannered, but you seriously get on my nerve sometimes. I try to come to this thread to 1) read up on new info/rumors about the N9, and 2) post new info/rumors if I have any. And all the FUD and flamebait is just cluttering the thread IMHO!

[abill_uk]

I know fully understand why one of the mods call this the "childrens" thread. :D

[mikecomputing]

That is opinion only and as for someone who is totally obsessed with the N9 as you surely are your latter comment makes me wonder if this in fact the case for YOU.

I think you should go see a doctor at the very least !.

If you dont like N9 or thinks Maemo already is dead. Why are you here?

If you think this forum will be for WP fanboys like you you better go elsewhere. Cause there is no chance this forum will convert to some FOSS WPx forum.

Just a big hint use bing.com and search for WP Community and it will give you links where you can go if you want a WP community! Instead of SPAM this forum with you bullish and danramos, gerbick fanboyish. Atleast danramos, gerbick has some points but you just flood with garbage.

[abill_uk]

If you dont like N9 or thinks Maemo already is dead. Why are you here?

Because i am slightly interested in the N9 and want to know about the "support" it may get from whoever, is that ok to ask on here dear sir as this is indeed the main one and only N9 thread :D.

[mikecomputing]

added abill_uk to ignore list...

[don_falcone]

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01383/Attenborough_1383445c.jpg

SIR Attenborough: Watch as the older primate tries to establish his dominance by repeatedly taunting the younger member of the tribe... while he tries to establish rapport by doing the 'buddy-buddy' dance for the popular members of the tribes...

Hilarious. This is almost as good as Dilbert last week.

[xerxes2]

Because i am slightly interested in the N9 and want to know about the "support" it may get from whoever, is that ok to ask on here dear sir as this is indeed the main one and only N9 thread :D.

I think that harmattan will get around 18 months of updates from Nokia and then it's over. Harmattan will get much more quality apps than Fremantle though thanks to the Qt everywhere (maemo/meego/symbian) plan so you don't have to worry about support for the N9. It will by far exceed the support Fremantle got.

[vi_]

I know fully understand why one of the mods call this the "childrens" thread. :D

So what, your a paedo?

[prankster]

Meego is meego which is only based on Qt but maemo is more than just Qt or anything like that and yeah fremantle is nt short of any support ,not by devs atleast ,maemo is still bigger/better than any OS on the earth.Guess what N9 apps will run on N900 now ,for details check in here .http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1087423#post1087423

[jalyst]

I think that harmattan will get around 18 months of updates from Nokia and then it's over. Harmattan will get much more quality apps than Fremantle though thanks to the Qt everywhere (maemo/meego/symbian) plan so you don't have to worry about support for the N9. It will by far exceed the support Fremantle got.

Even if it only makes it to 12mth I'll be happy...
Not elated, but I doubt we can expect much better, given everything.
Heck even 6mth....
The time period's not as important as what they actually deliver in-the-way of fixes/updates.

It won't be as crap as the N900, for reasons we've gone over, & over, & over.
And it won't be as good as Android, even when MeeGoCE's factored-in.
But that doesn't mean it won't be a fun/interesting ride.

[marxian]

Guess what N9 apps will run on N900 now ,for details check in here .http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1087423#post1087423

So now there's even less reason to buy an N9. We can run the same applications on our existing unsupported devices. :)

j/k :D

[Guffaw]

Guffaw: 10 days to N9? :)
Nokia Norway: We can unfortunately not say anything about that ... ;)

:rolleyes:

[xerxes2]

Even if it only makes it to 12mth I'll be happy...
Not elated, but I doubt we can expect much better, given everything.
It won't be as crap as the N900, for reasons we've gone over & over & over.
And it won't be as good as Android, even when MeeGoCE's factored in.
But that doesn't mean it won't be a fun/interesting ride.

That's the spirit. If you only expect 12 months you'll be happy if you get more than that. :) Also remember that harmattan (maemo6) is deprecated so it's very unlikely that Nokia will maintain it for very long. Thankfully tha N9 hardware is very good and will last for many years so if we get bored, after 24 months or so, with harmattan we can always move over to the Meego CE which hopefully will work very well for many more years on the N9. Meego CE will probably lack some proprietary apps from Nokia, ie maps, but if you can live without those it will extend the useful/fun lifetime of your device with a few years at least.

[mikecomputing]

Meego is meego which is only based on Qt but maemo is more than just Qt or anything like that and yeah fremantle is nt short of any support ,not by devs atleast ,maemo is still bigger/better than any OS on the earth.Guess what N9 apps will run on N900 now ,for details check in here .http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1087423#post1087423

and with meego 1.3CE we get ever more compatible with "MAEGO6" harmattan. qt apps seems to run smother on latest betatest image of meego1.3 for n900 already and upstart of apps has improved alot since stable 1.2 image(s) :)

[marxian]

That's the spirit. If you only expect 12 months you'll be happy if you get more than that. :)

Yes. As paying customers of Nokia, our expectations have been way too high. In fact, why expect 12 months support? Why not reduce our expectations to 6 months? That way, we can still be happy, even if Nokia abandon the device less than halfway into the warranty period.

I think I will take up psychology and come up with a definition of Espoo Syndrome.

[volt]

What, your phone will become worse than at the time when you bought it, if there would be no update in a year?


Actually, yes.

[scapegoat845]

Nokia Car Mode Available for the N9

http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/09/13/putting-nokia-in-the-driving-seat-with-nokia-car-mode/?cid=ncomblogs-fw-scl-na-bsm-na-twitter-g0-en-na

[babraq]

Nokia Car Mode Available for the N9

http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/09/13/putting-nokia-in-the-driving-seat-with-nokia-car-mode/?cid=ncomblogs-fw-scl-na-bsm-na-twitter-g0-en-na

That is great! Shame I don't have car with MirrorLink. Does N9 has one as accessory? :)

[abill_uk]

Yeah? How come? It will turn into pumpkin in a year? No. It will be the same phone as a year before.

You obviously know nothing about software updates !.

[IcyMoustache]

Yeah? How come? It will turn into pumpkin in a year? No. It will be the same phone as a year before.

Love the attitude my selfish_russian....

I am not from america, and sometimes find it strange how people speak about dumping their 6 month old phone to go for that new Bionic.... if you ask why, there is never a solid reply...
holy hell, if you just use whatsapp and facebook, why not buy a good e72 at a fraction of the price....

the same consumerist mindset in paying to get that "extra child support", and installing fart apps...

you know what? World over people spend 4 million hours per day playing angrybirds.... at a rough estimate of $100 per hour productivity (for the kind of demographic that uses supersmartphones), that is $400million already PER DAY....

No wonder american and european GDP growth has come to a standstill... When did the recession start? the same year iphone app store was released?? Ok that was coincidence, but how many mfking hours do we spend here speculating about products and dreaming of our next phone......

Consumerism! the messiah and the devil of our generation...

[Bernard]

Pfff. Stop this silly "long-support-is-a-must" talk!
Before iphone nobody cared about support.
Damn, I'm having HTC diamond for 3 years and it had ZERO support for all these 3 years.

People always cared about support. I assume you mean firmware updates in your quote. If you say that people didn't care about firmware updates before the iPhone, that may be partially true.
But I think it is mostly because more modern devices can do a lot more things, and often are released with bugs in a number of the advertised features (in order to release "on time").

If the N9 has some nasty bugs in the software on release, buyers will want them fixed. And given the fact that the N9 will be the last MeeGo Nokia phone, and development on the platform will be lowered, it is a valid question to ask how much "support" the N9 will get from Nokia.

Nokia has a bit of a variable track-record in this regard, even on the "flagship" devices. The Nokia N96 is in my opinion the best example. The device was insanely buggy and firmware updates were very slowly released, especially for the carrier branded versions.
I am satisfied with the updates from Nokia for the devices I have and have owned (N95, 5800, 770, N800, N900, C7).
Not always great, but most of my problems were fixed in the end, so I will probably give Nokia the benefit of the doubt.

But I can understand that owner of some other Nokia devices like the N96, N73 and N97 would not share that sentiment.

[abill_uk]

And the N900 for example, can you even imagine using it without even the first firmware update.... would have ended in the bin for sure !.

Oh and i suppose the CSSU should neve have been? because that team is ALL about updates !.

[volt]

Yeah? How come? It will turn into pumpkin in a year? No. It will be the same phone as a year before.

No, it will not.

- Battery will hold a charge measurably shorter.
- Components will have a lower quality because of age.
- Memory will be more fragmented.
- There will be less free memory due to accumulated used and rarely used software.
- Some software might expire (typical limited Nav licence).
- Other software will be outdated when applied to real world usage (typical Flash version).
- If newer software is installed, it might run slower due to higher demands to hardware.
- The backlight will most likely have faded some.
- Paint and glass will be scratched to a certain extent.

A software update will not fix the scratches and only rarely improve the CPU speed, but is often seen to have improved the memory usage, file system, and battery life of even a worn old phone. A clean reinstall will almost always lead to a faster system.

If just used as it is for a year, a year old phone is not as good as it was a year ago. If updated, it might even be better.

[xerxes2]

One happy (pre order) customer:
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/09/13/nokia-n9-pre-orders-round-up/comment-page-2/#comment-175663

[marxian]

People always cared about support. I assume you mean firmware updates in your quote. If you say that people didn't care about firmware updates before the iPhone, that may be partially true.
But I think it is mostly because more modern devices can do a lot more things, and often are released with bugs in a number of the advertised features (in order to release "on time").

If the N9 has some nasty bugs in the software on release, buyers will want them fixed. And given the fact that the N9 will be the last MeeGo Nokia phone, and development on the platform will be lowered, it is a valid question to ask how much "support" the N9 will get from Nokia.

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/4209/correctamundo.jpg (http://img8.imageshack.us/i/correctamundo.jpg/)

If Nokia were offering a cheap and completely open device, I would be OK with a lack of support. What Nokia are actually offering is an expensive, partially open device, so it is perfectly reasonable to expect them to at least provide bug fixes. Then there is the question of hardware repairs/replacement...

[abill_uk]

One happy (pre order) customer:
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/09/13/nokia-n9-pre-orders-round-up/comment-page-2/#comment-175663

May God have mercy on your soul :p.

[catbus]

You obviously know nothing about software updates !.

You obviously don't understand that N9 is Perfect!

Please shut the F... Up!

N9 is not for You - Go Away!

[abill_uk]

You obviously don't understand that N9 is Perfect!

Please shut the F... Up!

N9 is not for You - Go Away!

wassup duck mumee not give you your sweeties today ? yer pathetic :rolleyes:

[jalyst]

<SNIP>
What Nokia are actually offering is an expensive, partially open device, so it is perfectly reasonable to expect them to at least provide bug fixes.
Then there is the question of hardware repairs/replacement...

And I don't think anyone is in disagreement with you regarding that.
What some of us are in disagreement about, is to what degree fixes & repairs/replacements will occur.
abill_uk for e.g. is trying to claim it'll be non-existent, I say his full-of-****.

Based on the N9's trajectory, & what Nokia has officially said/done in the past 6mth.
It looks more likely to me & many others, that it's a different 'kettle' to the N900.
But I'm happy to admit that I can't predict the future...
So what I'm saying may well be just as much full-of-****.

Truth is, no one knows what's going to happen....
The only way to clear-it-all-up once & for all....
Is to formulate a series of Qns around support, & then put them directly to senior personnel.

I've been thinking of that for a few weeks, but personally I think it's a waste of time.
They'll simply tell us whatever we want to hear, whilst maintaining suitable vagueness.
Plus some will probably still chose to write-it-off as irrelevant, which it possibly ultimately is.

[Jedibeeftrix]

wassup duck mumee not give you your sweeties today ? yer pathetic :rolleyes:

he is essentially right however; all we get is *****ing and moaning, which is especially trying given your previous uber-fanboy attitude prior to the undelivered consignment of N9's you were supposed to receive on the 2nd.

you appear very disappointed that your expectations have not been met, perhaps it is time to move on.

it will at least save the rest of us from having to listen to your continual griping.

the N9 is not the handset i hoped it would be either, nor too is the level of commitment from Nokia, that said, it is still the phone I most want so i'm sticking around for the ride and accepting it for what it is.

pick a direction and follow it, this purgatory you insist on maintaining is hell for the rest of us regardless of what it's doing to you.

[Chuck Norris]

I'm not sure what is worst. Abill's spam or the spambots...

[afaq]

This is really the only thread I come to read on TMO these days (due to lack of N900) - as it looks forward towards the future of Maemo and this excites me.

Can I please kindly request that constant complaints and bickering between who said what first, etc be taken elsewhere. If its about the N9 - and something that the community needs to see please share. I am not a mod an certainty cannot enforce what people post.

I'd prefer to see more comments from those who have an N950, those who are finding more info about release dates/app developments etc and possible pricing.

Not unreasonable?

[jalyst]

^ +Infinity!!! :D

[abill_uk]

Why are people so damm touchy? it is only a mobile phone for gods sake, can we not have a bit of humor whilst we await the outcome?.

Never in my life have i seen grown up people go on like a bunch of kids, for gawds sake relax will you all :rolleyes: you would think the world is coming to an end the way some of you lot are.

Listen up you lot (as the yank sergeant would say).....RELAX !!!! stop being sooo dammmm serious :rolleyes:

[jalyst]

Aw gosh, golly, & shucks guys... :rolleyes:

[Mandibela]

As this thread is well beyond salvation, I have a complaint to file: The damn ignore_user function is definitely not doing enough for me. It still leaves traces of *************** in quotes, and actively reminds of the blocked ones by leaving their names in the thread.

Not that I'd have any blocked ones in THIS thread... Right?

[prankster]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EdHBFsy930A#!
its all over N9 and symbian belle from now on .World's first car-mode application by nokia ,i hate nokia but this is something i couldnt resist to say ! enjoy !

[scapegoat845]

But I can understand that owner of some other Nokia devices like the N96, N73 and N97 would not share that sentiment.

U left out the E71....;)

[ericsson]

HA

The N9 will rule the world, at least the rest of this year -and far into the next year. Reason : Nokia late again :D (bait)

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokias_first_wp7_device_to_come_q1_2012_and_not_so oner-news-3126.php

[prankster]

We simply dont want WP7 ,We want meego / meego apps so that they can be ported easily to N900 ,hehe ( between i really meant it )

[somedude]

HA

The N9 will rule the world, at least the rest of this year -and far into the next year. Reason : Nokia late again :D (bait)

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokias_first_wp7_device_to_come_q1_2012_and_not_so oner-news-3126.php

you mean ~50 days by rest of this year right...

[ZackMorris]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EdHBFsy930A#!
its all over N9 and symbian belle from now on .World's first car-mode application by nokia ,i hate nokia but this is something i couldnt resist to say ! enjoy !

I call bullsh*t on that video....it's fake, a woman is driving a stickshift...c'mon now totally fake, why would she need Nokia Drive outside of a kitchen? :-P :-P

I'm such a comedian today.

[Rugoz]

In the n9 markets and US wp7 will arrive in 1Q 2012, other markets this year. Nothing new.

[Alfred]

Guys, don't know if you have read/seen this, because i haven't been following this thread and I don't feel reading the whole thread, but anyway here it goes:
Nokia N9 64GB (http://www.amazon.de/Nokia-Smartphone-Display-Touchscreen-Megapixel/dp/B005HSR7K6/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1315934871&sr=8-2)
Nokia N9 16GB (http://www.amazon.de/Nokia-Smartphone-Display-Touchscreen-Megapixel/dp/B005FIY8NW/ref=sr_1_1?s=ce-de&ie=UTF8&qid=1315935137&sr=1-1)

[jalyst]

HA

The N9 will rule the world, at least the rest of this year -and far into the next year. Reason : Nokia late again :D (bait)

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokias_first_wp7_device_to_come_q1_2012_and_not_so oner-news-3126.php

I'm not surprised Nokia Australia management would say that...
The 1st WP phones are scheduled to be released into N9 markets, later than they're to be released into non-N9 markets.
For obvious reasons....
Nokia's been hinting for ages now, that their top-end WP phone won't be out this year (at least in volume).
And rumours have pointed to only 1x (maybe) mid-range WP phone coming-out this yr, the 703.

[ysss]

Why are people so damm touchy? it is only a mobile phone for gods sake, can we not have a bit of humor whilst we await the outcome?.

Never in my life have i seen grown up people go on like a bunch of kids, for gawds sake relax will you all :rolleyes: you would think the world is coming to an end the way some of you lot are.

Listen up you lot (as the yank sergeant would say).....RELAX !!!! stop being sooo dammmm serious :rolleyes:

I'm glad that our messages have finally gotten through to you :) That's essentially what everyone's been telling you all along!
Looking forward for more like this! Cheers!.

[jalyst]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EdHBFsy930A#!
its all over N9 and symbian belle from now on .World's first car-mode application by nokia ,i hate nokia but this is something i couldnt resist to say ! enjoy !

Hmm, so much for the MeeGo in-vehicle stuff...
They must've been developing this stuff in-house for ages already.
What is the head-unit OS, Symbian + a Belle-like interface?
Or could it even be Maemo-based???

[prankster]

I call bullsh*t on that video....it's fake, a woman is driving a stickshift...c'mon now totally fake, why would she need Nokia Drive outside of a kitchen? :-P :-P

I'm such a comedian today.

it is not fake and yeah dont under estimate nokia by any means,they are inventive and they have proven ages ago ,you dont believe ? look at N900 & then look at this http://www.allaboutmeego.com/news/item/13265_Nokia_Car_Mode_application_rev.php

[ZackMorris]

it is not fake and yeah dont under estimate nokia by any means,they are inventive and they have proven ages ago ,you dont believe ? look at N900 & then look at this http://www.allaboutmeego.com/news/item/13265_Nokia_Car_Mode_application_rev.php

Calm down yaar, I was making a joke because there was a woman driving in a car in the video....see below

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kppNdrjgJcE#t=00m50s

[prankster]

i dont like borat at all but yeah i loved the part ''yaar'' didnt expect it .lol .good to see some natives lurking around !

[don_falcone]

Harhar, EUR 799,00 - that's at least 300EUR too much.

[danramos]

No, it will not.

- Battery will hold a charge measurably shorter.
- Components will have a lower quality because of age.
- Memory will be more fragmented.
- There will be less free memory due to accumulated used and rarely used software.
- Some software might expire (typical limited Nav licence).
- Other software will be outdated when applied to real world usage (typical Flash version).
- If newer software is installed, it might run slower due to higher demands to hardware.
- The backlight will most likely have faded some.
- Paint and glass will be scratched to a certain extent.

A software update will not fix the scratches and only rarely improve the CPU speed, but is often seen to have improved the memory usage, file system, and battery life of even a worn old phone. A clean reinstall will almost always lead to a faster system.

If just used as it is for a year, a year old phone is not as good as it was a year ago. If updated, it might even be better.

If I may, case in point--my Motorola droid A855 came out about the same time as the N900 and STILL got updates as recently as March of this year. Beyond that, CyanogenMod has been chugging along and releasing even more leading edge updates. Along the way, the device has gotten EVEN MORE stable, faster and the battery life has improved DRASTICALLY (thanks to the newer JIT Dalvik engine and the new Gingerbread memory and battery management). FAR better than the device I had originally bought it as.

You obviously don't understand that N9 is Perfect!

Please shut the F... Up!

N9 is not for You - Go Away!

Mind you, abill is trolling for flame (seriously, dude.. settle down, please?), but... You don't sound AT ALL like an Apple fanboi, if I s/N9/iPhone/
Nope.. not at all! :P

And I don't think anyone is in disagreement with you regarding that.
What some of us are in disagreement about, is to what degree fixes & repairs/replacements will occur.
abill_uk for e.g. is trying to claim it'll be non-existent, I say his full-of-****.

Although, in his defense, I can't wait to see what'll happen the moment Facebook, Google+, YouTube, etc. change their API's or do something slightly different that suddenly makes it necessary to NEED an update you will never get... and I'll bet it'll happen THE DAY AFTER support ends and they never open-source that crucial bit you need. :)

Listen up you lot (as the yank sergeant would say).....RELAX !!!! stop being sooo dammmm serious :rolleyes:

An American sergeant wouldn't say 'Listen up you lot'! Hahahah Maybe something like, 'LISTEN UP, MAGGOTS!' to be brash or even as courteously as 'LISTEN UP, PEOPLE!'... but they don't use 'you lot'. :) hahah Sorry--but it cracked me up to imagine it.

As this thread is well beyond salvation, I have a complaint to file: The damn ignore_user function is definitely not doing enough for me. It still leaves traces of *************** in quotes, and actively reminds of the blocked ones by leaving their names in the thread.

Not that I'd have any blocked ones in THIS thread... Right?

Think of it as a feature, not a bug. What? You joined in 2009--This is the same forum you got when you joined, isn't it? That functionality was always there before and that's the way it works. You should be happy you get a forum at all.

HA

The N9 will rule the world, at least the rest of this year -and far into the next year. Reason : Nokia late again :D (bait)

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokias_first_wp7_device_to_come_q1_2012_and_not_so oner-news-3126.php

Damn! I can't challenge the master baiter! You win, man! Hands-up and stepping back. Far, far back. :P

I call bullsh*t on that video....it's fake, a woman is driving a stickshift...c'mon now totally fake, why would she need Nokia Drive outside of a kitchen? :-P :-P

I'm such a comedian today.

Ugh.. fine.. here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S75Rfva9O8
Just... be sure to watch it to the end. Trust me on this. ;)

[simpu]

Guys, don't know if you have read/seen this, because i haven't been following this thread and I don't feel reading the whole thread, but anyway here it goes:
Nokia N9 64GB (http://www.amazon.de/Nokia-Smartphone-Display-Touchscreen-Megapixel/dp/B005HSR7K6/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1315934871&sr=8-2)
Nokia N9 16GB (http://www.amazon.de/Nokia-Smartphone-Display-Touchscreen-Megapixel/dp/B005FIY8NW/ref=sr_1_1?s=ce-de&ie=UTF8&qid=1315935137&sr=1-1)

i hope these prices don't hold up... if they do, this whole n9 thing is a scam ;)

[mikecomputing]

N9 is abandoned in favour of Atari TOS v4 cause Atari is planning to buy Nokia. :cool:

[jalyst]

Guys, don't know if you have read/seen this, because i haven't been following this thread and I don't feel reading the whole thread, but anyway here it goes:
Nokia N9 64GB (http://www.amazon.de/Nokia-Smartphone-Display-Touchscreen-Megapixel/dp/B005HSR7K6/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1315934871&sr=8-2)
Nokia N9 16GB (http://www.amazon.de/Nokia-Smartphone-Display-Touchscreen-Megapixel/dp/B005FIY8NW/ref=sr_1_1?s=ce-de&ie=UTF8&qid=1315935137&sr=1-1)


That's worse than even the official Nokia RRP prices we've seen for some EU countries.*
Total rip off...
There will be other retailers who offer better prices than the RRP, and far better than this.

*599 & 699

[danramos]

N9 is abandoned in favour of Atari TOS v4 cause Atari is planning to buy Nokia. :cool:

Actually, TOS 4.x is ages old now. Wasn't that the one that ended up in the Falcon 030, some TT's and the Medusa systems?

Personally, I would LOVE to see a new, modern implementation of an Atari TOS style INSTANT booting chipset OS. :)

[deadmalc]

If the N9 isn't a reasonable price, I'm thinking of
http://www.amazon.co.uk/HTC-Nexus-One-SIM-Free/dp/B0037PTYP2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1315939557&sr=8-1

and

http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/MSMQSD

There are probably second hand ones for much less.
At least if we are buying old hardware, pay a reasonable price for it.
[this was a dig at the n9 cpu]

Who knows maybe the n9 will boost meego if these prices are true (or even close)

But I can't believe they are, as how are they going to sell an n9 in "secondary" markets for that price? to who?
Unless this is part of a strategy to make the iphone 5 look really cheap?

[hotnikkelz]

nexus one is a classic

[danramos]

nexus one is a classic

Why? In what context?

[delmar]

Guys, don't know if you have read/seen this, because i haven't been following this thread and I don't feel reading the whole thread, but anyway here it goes:
Nokia N9 64GB (http://www.amazon.de/Nokia-Smartphone-Display-Touchscreen-Megapixel/dp/B005HSR7K6/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1315934871&sr=8-2)
Nokia N9 16GB (http://www.amazon.de/Nokia-Smartphone-Display-Touchscreen-Megapixel/dp/B005FIY8NW/ref=sr_1_1?s=ce-de&ie=UTF8&qid=1315935137&sr=1-1)

Totally overpriced.

See this Swiss shops (644 CHF for the 64 GB = ca. 550 €)
http://www.toppreise.ch/index.php?search=Nokia+N9&sRes=OK

[hotnikkelz]

In many context. At the time, it was the best vanilla android, highest benchmarks, basically started the cyanogenmod madness, and had goodies like trackball notifications etc etc. Classic android device imo

[danramos]

In many context. At the time, it was the best vanilla android, highest benchmarks, basically started the cyanogenmod madness, and had goodies like trackball notifications etc etc. Classic android device imo

I guess I can sort of agree on some of that (arguable on others), but overall yeah.. it's held up pretty darn good over time, too, on top of all that. I was mainly confused by the left-field way this sort of popped up, though, and wondering if it was a comment related to something in the thread. Sorry if I seem like I'm laboring the point, just looking to see if I can understand why you volunteered that comment. :)

[jalyst]

Malaysia has the best official starting price (RRP) I've seen yet, some comments of users @mynokiablog:

N9 is available in Malaysia. 16GB priced at Ringgit Malaysia 1799 (about USD 550).
its price still below SGS2 or htc sensation. so probably will be the customers’ choice here. ^o^

It’s true, that’s the official announcement by Nokia
http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/09/nokia-n9-launch-malaysia-october-meego-harmattan/
Malaysia

MYR1799=430 Euro

MYR2088=498 Euro
Singapore,
SG799=470 Euro

SG899=530 Euro

[hotnikkelz]

I guess I can sort of agree on some of that (arguable on others), but overall yeah.. it's held up pretty darn good over time, too, on top of all that. I was mainly confused by the left-field way this sort of popped up, though, and wondering if it was a comment related to something in the thread. Sorry if I seem like I'm laboring the point, just looking to see if I can understand why you volunteered that comment. :)

Oh take a look at deadlmac's post right above mine, he put an amazon link to the Nexus One as a considered buy if the N9 is out of his price range. My post was a response to that, it wasn't out of thin air lol

[jalyst]

I guess I can sort of agree on some of that (arguable on others), but overall yeah.. it's held up pretty darn good over time, too, on top of all that. I was mainly confused by the left-field way this sort of popped up, though, and wondering if it was a comment related to something in the thread. Sorry if I seem like I'm laboring the point, just looking to see if I can understand why you volunteered that comment. :)

I'm guessing you must've missed the post before his :)

*edit*
Too late...

[jalyst]

Random readings

To those in Finland, I received this email, must've signed-up to a Finnish telco's mail-list :)
http://www.anpdm.com/newsletterweb/44455E427641465C45724943/424758427041425F437846445C43
http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/09/butaca-0-3-5-meego-harmattan/
http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/near-field-connectivity-blog
http://www.allaboutmeego.com/news/item/13264_Qt_open_governance_steps_forwa.php

So it's looking like pretty universally like Oct now right?
http://discovr.smashpop.net/2011/09/13/photos-video-of-nokia-n9-launch-in-malaysia/
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/09/13/pre-orders-start-for-n9-in-finland-release-october/
Mid-Sept claim here is not believable IMO….
http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/09/1-in-nokia-n9-coming-south-africa-vodacom-r279-mid-september-androsym/
Still don't have a freaking date, like everywhere, here in Australia all they say is "October".

Grrrrr :mad: :D

[hotnikkelz]

I think regardless of what you read, Australia is going to be one of the first to get it. Time flies, be easy comrade, it'll come ;) October is like right there

[coderedcomputing]

So this release of the N9 is looking more and more like the release of Diablo 3??

In all seriousness there is no solid date as of yet? What can they be waiting for? The hardware is set, the OS is set? Or are they still ironing out bugs before an official release?

[jalyst]

My kitten slaughtering preparations have begun.
Soon Nokia will have blood on their hands...

[catbus]

Random readings

Still don't have freaking exact date, like everywhere, here in Australia all they say is "October".

Grrrrr :mad: :D

But they didn't told the year - pahus/heck

(And waiting.........................)

[danramos]

My kitten slaughtering preparations have begun.
Soon Nokia will have blood on their hands...

LET THE SLAUGHTER BEGIN!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK2qPxphJnM#t=1m7 ;)

[unfuccwittable]

what ever happened to the guy that emailed Stephen Elop?

[gerbick]

what ever happened to the guy that emailed Stephen Elop?

He's sitting at the bottom of the ocean with the other Nokia N9's that were supposed to be delivered and never will be.

[unfuccwittable]

^at this point, that's the way it looks. Devices announced AFTER the N9 was announced are now shipping in certain regions and there is still no concrete date on when the N9 will ship. *le sigh*

[mikecomputing]

I think regardless of what you read, Australia is going to be one of the first to get it. Time flies, be easy comrade, it'll come ;) October is like right there

next friday is NOT october grr :mad: seems like this will repeat n900 release mess YEHA not!

[catbus]

^at this point, that's the way it looks. Devices announced AFTER the N9 was announced are now shipping in certain regions and there is still no concrete date on when the N9 will ship. *le sigh*

Hmmm... Some weird dejavu here... What was that ship...? - Naaah, nevermind...

[Guffaw]

Argh. Just remembered 2 years ago.
When N900 shipping started ( http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=370958&postcount=26 ), it took 20 days before it arrived in Nokia Store in Oslo ( http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=401715&postcount=36 ).
And N9 not shipping yet.. :(

[Jedibeeftrix]

what ever happened to the guy that emailed Stephen Elop?

who, me.......?

http://jedibeeftrix.wordpress.com/2011/08/11/nokia-n9-uk-availability-on-contract-it-is-up-to-the-carriers/

[slaapliedje]

Not sure if this has been posted yet;

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B005HA3Y2O/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&qid=1315953287&sr=8-6&condition=new

Gave me a huge laugh. 0% Positive! $650 USD? Sign me up.....

I figure eventually this phone will come out... I'm starting to lean toward the hope that with the release of the N9, N900 prices will drop a lot and I can buy a second (or third) one!

slaapliedje

[danramos]

Because it's just worth repeating... :P

http://pleco.org/heh/Elops_next_trick.jpg

[marxian]

He's sitting at the bottom of the ocean with the other Nokia N9's that were supposed to be delivered and never will be.

http://cultofmac.cultofmaccom.netdna-cdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/steve_ballmer1.jpg

"The N9 sleeps with the fishes."

[Cue]

Because it's just worth repeating... :P

http://media.ft.com/cms/cd967f52-4025-11e0-811f-00144feabdc0.jpg
Elop:See it's not here anymore.
Ballmer:Not bad

[danramos]

The Countdown of Nokia N9 MeeGo Launch Disappear
http://www.phonegadgetnews.com/the-countdown-of-nokia-n9-meego-launch-disappear.html

Nokia N9’s Countdown is Missing!
http://www.feelphones.com/nokia-n9%E2%80%99s-countdown-is-missing/

It simply boggles the mind! ;)

http://mynokiablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/CHRIS.jpg

Ten Brands That Will Disappear in 2012
http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/112989/brands-disappear-2012-247

Well... that would take care of getting rid of eFlop, I suppose.

[jo21]

surprising eldar was right about n9

the day it was announce he said everything we are seeing now.

low shipment, released in not major markets... high price uncompetitive price.

its late release pretty much confirms elop only releasing to prove inside nokia, he was right.

but of course wp7 it''s a flop. so they ****ed.

[abill_uk]

The Countdown of Nokia N9 MeeGo Launch Disappear
http://www.phonegadgetnews.com/the-countdown-of-nokia-n9-meego-launch-disappear.html

Nokia N9’s Countdown is Missing!
http://www.feelphones.com/nokia-n9%E2%80%99s-countdown-is-missing/

It simply boggles the mind! ;)

http://mynokiablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/CHRIS.jpg

Ten Brands That Will Disappear in 2012
http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/112989/brands-disappear-2012-247

Well... that would take care of getting rid of eFlop, I suppose.

The whole charade the whole mess about this N9 is bad from the start and it looks like what everybody in the know have talked is coming true, high price, limited marketing, slow release and that is BEFORE you get it.

Nokia are a huge letdown now they even let me down with these N9s, it IS all bad bad bad.

Get Elop OUT or Nokia are doomed simple as that.

[nilchak]

Get Elop OUT or Nokia are doomed simple as that.

Nokia Was doomed before Elop. Nokia remains doomed after Elop.

[Rugoz]

crybabies^2

[abill_uk]

Every other mobile manufacturer are now starting to look better especially in terms of the support as Nokia have failed consistently on this for a long tme now.

[biatch0]

low shipment, released in not major markets... high price uncompetitive price.
Official Nokia Malaysia prices of 16GB @ RM1799/USD583/EUR428 and 64GB @ RM2088/USD677/EUR496 suggest otherwise. I think these are "pretty" competitive prices compared to what previous N series flagship devices have been priced at in the past.

[hotnikkelz]

Official Nokia Malaysia prices of 16GB @ RM1799/USD583/EUR428 and 64GB @ RM2088/USD677/EUR496 suggest otherwise. I think these are "pretty" competitive prices compared to what previous N series flagship devices have been priced at in the past.

Yeah but uncompetitive vs everything else. The hardware doesn't reflect the price. Many dual core phones are cheaper. Also, last time I checked, metal costs more than plastic :) although its a beauty to behold though. Most of the cost is on the Nokia brand, it can't be manufacturing.

[abill_uk]

Official Nokia Malaysia prices of 16GB @ RM1799/USD583/EUR428 and 64GB @ RM2088/USD677/EUR496 suggest otherwise. I think these are "pretty" competitive prices compared to what previous N series flagship devices have been priced at in the past.

They are vey close to the prices i was quoted from Asia, the rest of the world are going to be much more for sure but you cannot tell anyone on here because they simply will not believe you.

This thread is the biggest diehard N9 thread in the WORLD so dont expect anything even half sensible on here :rolleyes:

They ALL sure as hell are in for the biggest letdown of there life hahahahaha.

[gerbick]

Official Nokia Malaysia prices of 16GB @ RM1799/USD583/EUR428 and 64GB @ RM2088/USD677/EUR496 suggest otherwise. I think these are "pretty" competitive prices compared to what previous N series flagship devices have been priced at in the past.

Still a tad bit high from some other perspectives.

[biatch0]

Phones here in Malaysia are typically unsubsidized (or are just marketed as such) - an iPhone4 32GB off the shelf would typically set you back by almost EUR616/USD840 (with a contract it is "marginally" cheaper but you end up paying a ton more over the course of the contract).

For a person in Malaysia, a "new" flagship Nokia (or any other flagship phone of another brand) at this current RRP is strangely cheap (IMHO).

[abill_uk]

There will be a mobile version of the new Windows 8 OS available early next year for use with almost any device using arm technology so even if Meego does not make the grade there will be an os available for the N9 and N900 next year.

[abill_uk]

Phones here in Malaysia are typically unsubsidized (or are just marketed as such) - an iPhone4 32GB off the shelf would typically set you back by almost EUR616/USD840 (with a contract it is "marginally" cheaper but you end up paying a ton more over the course of the contract).

For a person in Malaysia, a "new" flagship Nokia (or any other flagship phone of another brand) at this current RRP is strangely cheap (IMHO).

Why do you buy from your country when you got Singapore on one side of you and Thailand on the other? both will be cheaper than what your having to pay i think.

[jalyst]

who, me.......?

http://jedibeeftrix.wordpress.com/2011/08/11/nokia-n9-uk-availability-on-contract-it-is-up-to-the-carriers/

There was a few people who emailed him & he responded.
Apparently he has that much time.... :rolleyes:

[jalyst]

surprising eldar was right about n9

the day it was announce he said everything we are seeing now.

released in not major markets... high price uncompetitive price.

its late release pretty much confirms elop only releasing to prove inside nokia, he was right.

but of course wp7 it''s a flop. so they ****ed.

Well I & many others "predicted" that, doesn't mean we knew it was going to happen.
Eldar's not a prophet, if anything he's a hack writer & FUD merchant.

low shipment

How's that proven? It's still being released to a ****-load of countries.
Sure not some of the biggest economies...
But we have no idea what the sales figures will ultimately be.

If there's no local stock & it's not buyable in most (if not all) designated countries by 31/10.
And there's not at least some marketing for all of those countries.
Then I reckon it'll do poorly, but it's just a hunch, I've no idea how bad or okay'ish it'll do.

If it's not buyable before 31/10 in Australia, that's the final straw for me, I'm walking away.
No hard feelings Nokia, you just don't know how to deliver if delivery takes that long.

[jalyst]

Yeah but uncompetitive vs everything else. The hardware doesn't reflect the price. Many dual core phones are cheaper. Also, last time I checked, metal costs more than plastic :) although its a beauty to behold though. Most of the cost is on the Nokia brand, it can't be manufacturing.

Did you not see the post I posted earlier?
Some Malaysian guys confirmed it's cheaper than the SGSII is in Malaysia.
For a RRP that's a nice start...

[mooglez]

One angle to this N9 delay might be the "boat turning" that they have been making for the last two quarters.

Q2 & Q3 are supposed to be the bad quarters, and from Q4 onwards they are supposed to be in fighting shape again.

By releasing the N9 in around 1.10 they can get all those sales into Q4 to boost the difference between Q3 and Q4

[jalyst]

Why do you buy from your country when you got Singapore on one side of you and Thailand on the other? both will be cheaper than what your having to pay i think.

If you'd been reading the thread you'd know Singapore's official RRP is more than Malaysia's.
Sure there may be retailers that are ultimately cheaper, but Malaysia's off to a very good start, lucky buggers.

[jalyst]

One angle to this N9 delay might be the "boat turning" that they have been making for the last two quarters.

Q2 & Q3 are supposed to be the bad quarters, and from Q4 onwards they are supposed to be in fighting shape again.

By releasing the N9 in around 1.10 they can get all those sales into Q4 to boost the difference between Q3 and Q4

Sounds nice, but at this point I'm just about ready to put a gun to Elop's head.
I don't care about his rosy quarterly figures.... :rolleyes:

[buchanmilne]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EdHBFsy930A#!
its all over N9 and symbian belle from now on .World's first car-mode application by nokia ,i hate nokia but this is something i couldnt resist to say ! enjoy !

All over for N9? (http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/09/13/putting-nokia-in-the-driving-seat-with-nokia-car-mode/#comment-308584560). When it will be released for N9? Maybe I'm missing something, but your post doesn't make sense.

[abill_uk]

Sounds nice, but at this point I'm just about ready to put a gun to Elop's head.
I don't care about his rosy quarterly figures.... :rolleyes:

Man your sooo obsessed.... cool it, you could get yourself arrested for some of your comments .... really!.

[buchanmilne]

I call bullsh*t on that video....it's fake, a woman is driving a stickshift

Only to Americans does it seem weird that anyone drives a "stickshift" (most of the rest of the world considers an "automatic" to be outside the norm ...).

[delmar]

The Countdown of Nokia N9 MeeGo Launch Disappear
http://www.phonegadgetnews.com/the-countdown-of-nokia-n9-meego-launch-disappear.html

Nokia N9’s Countdown is Missing!
http://www.feelphones.com/nokia-n9%E2%80%99s-countdown-is-missing/

It simply boggles the mind! ;)

http://mynokiablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/CHRIS.jpg

Ten Brands That Will Disappear in 2012
http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/112989/brands-disappear-2012-247

Well... that would take care of getting rid of eFlop, I suppose.

11 brands: yahoo also (LOL)

[abill_uk]

Seems Elop is REALLY hated now on this forum by almost everyone.

Oh well let's hope he is fired when the board realise just what damage he has actually done to what could have been a surviving company with a few problems now turned bad enough to actually sink them, maybe this is his plan?.

[slarti]

Went by the Nokia-store today and tried the thing out.
A few things based on a very short test:

+ The screen is superb.
+ It really is fast. Didn't catch any lag anywhere. (except of course when loading something)
+ Ovi store works a lot better on this than any symbian phone.
+ VKB is as good as any VKB...
- ...But it's still a VKB
+ The feel of it in your hand is perfect.

- The first batch (and maybe the 2nd, too) of the 64 GB model is pre-ordered out :(

[momcilo]

I think anyone concerned about ownership restrictions should consult following topic:

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=76635

Especially if you are planning to buy it through contract.

[PortaDiFerro]

Many places don't seem to have 64GB version for preorder at all, because they can't get hold of them.

Just gives a feeling Nokia is limiting the production for some reason. :(

I guess I'll just have to put a preorder in just in case, if it's gonna be a long wait for next batch. I was just hoping to scout the prices for a bit..

[ysss]

They should just start to call this the Nokia UN9CORN.

It's an ideal beast and everyone wants a part of it, yet we may not see it at all.

[myrjola]

Many places don't seem to have 64GB version for preorder at all, because they can't get hold of them.

Just gives a feeling Nokia is limiting the production for some reason. :(

I guess I'll just have to put a preorder in just in case, if it's gonna be a long wait for next batch. I was just hoping to scout the prices for a bit..

They had a N9 presentation yesterday at Elisa Studio in Helsinki.
I visited there (didn't see the actual presentation) later in the evening and was able to handle the N9. Very nice and pretty much what I expected, swipe is easy and I am sure that N9 will be very popular.
Anyway one other person asked about the deliveries and one Nokia person said that one of the (possible) reasons for the slow availability is that it takes much longer to produce N9s than the other handsets (several times longer). The physical construction (and production process) is quite different from any other current mobile.
He also said that the demand has been greater than expected.
At least the N9s coming for sale in Finland are being produced at the Salo factory.

I was going to preorder one from Elisa but they had only the 16GB version available for preorders.

Trying to get myself the 64 GB ASAP.

[Grazy]

who, me.......?

http://jedibeeftrix.wordpress.com/2011/08/11/nokia-n9-uk-availability-on-contract-it-is-up-to-the-carriers/

Jedibeeftrix - did you see the Mobiles.co.uk N9 page a few weeks ago? I brought this to mynokiablog's attention and emailed mobiles.co.uk they shortly removed the page and told me
Thank you for your enquiry.

Unfortunately, we are now unable to provide this handset on either Pay Monthly or Pay As You Go due to manufacturer requests. The advertisements have now been removed from our website.

I would like to apologise for any inconvenience caused in relation to this matter. Should you require any further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Kind regards,"

http://mynokiablog.com/2011/08/24/nokia-n9-at-carphone-warehouses-mobiles-co-uk-store/

Just noticed you have made a comment there :) but if it was elop then he is having a laugh!


"

[danramos]

Yeah but uncompetitive vs everything else. The hardware doesn't reflect the price. Many dual core phones are cheaper. Also, last time I checked, metal costs more than plastic :) although its a beauty to behold though. Most of the cost is on the Nokia brand, it can't be manufacturing.

Well, it's the new "privilege of buying Nokia" (i.e. "stupid") tax. :)

One angle to this N9 delay might be the "boat turning" that they have been making for the last two quarters.

Q2 & Q3 are supposed to be the bad quarters, and from Q4 onwards they are supposed to be in fighting shape again.

By releasing the N9 in around 1.10 they can get all those sales into Q4 to boost the difference between Q3 and Q4

Sooooo.. what, step 1 of 5 again?

11 brands: yahoo also (LOL)

You DID notice that Yahoo is doing badly, right? They actually FIRED their CEO recently. Not gracefully, either--FIRED by email. She was pisst and ranted about it publicly. So... yeah. I could see that too.

[Bernard]

Yeah but uncompetitive vs everything else. The hardware doesn't reflect the price. Many dual core phones are cheaper. Also, last time I checked, metal costs more than plastic :) although its a beauty to behold though. Most of the cost is on the Nokia brand, it can't be manufacturing.

I think most of the cost is the OS-development. With no future devices, all the R&D costs fall on this N9 device. Nokia will probably never turn a profit from the MeeGo device, but they will probably try to make as much money of this device, without the burden that the device needs to start an ecosystem, since it doesn't need to anymore.

If the manufacturing is also difficult and expensive (as Nokia claims), that would just be another big screw-up. If the largest manufacturer of mobile phones, can't compete in manufacturing costs for their high-end device with all the smaller device makers because of design choices, that would be mind-boggling.
So I think it is a lie from Nokia in order to justify a high-price.

If you look at the hardware specs, the N9 should be just as cheap to produce as the Samsung galaxy S, Samsung Galaxy Wave S8500 or Palm Pre 2, otherwise Nokia screwed up, either because of bad-design choices, extremely low production numbers or totally uncompetitive worker costs of the Finland manufacturing plants.

[Lindegaard]

- The first batch (and maybe the 2nd, too) of the 64 GB model is pre-ordered out :(

Huh, in which countries? I certainly don't hope so!

[gerbick]

I predict this thread will hit 6000 posts in two days...

[abill_uk]

I predict this thread will hit 6000 posts in two days...

I reckon less than a day :p and this thread has got to be the most epic one ever on this forum ;)

[abill_uk]

I think most of the cost is the OS-development. With no future devices, all the R&D costs fall on this N9 device. Nokia will probably never turn a profit from the MeeGo device, but they will probably try to make as much money of this device, without the burden that the device needs to start an ecosystem, since it doesn't need to anymore.

If the manufacturing is also difficult and expensive (as Nokia claims), that would just be another big screw-up. If the largest manufacturer of mobile phones, can't compete in manufacturing costs for their high-end device with all the smaller device makers because of design choices, that would be mind-boggling.
So I think it is a lie from Nokia in order to justify a high-price.

If you look at the hardware specs, the N9 should be just as cheap to produce as the Samsung galaxy S, Samsung Galaxy Wave S8500 or Palm Pre 2, otherwise Nokia screwed up, either because of bad-design choices, extremely low production numbers or totally uncompetitive worker costs of the Finland manufacturing plants.

You forgot one aspect and that is Elop..... he had no choice but to make the N9 very high priced because this is what will pay his salary.

No way will he make anything on WP because of the hatred for him and Microsoft. ;)

I can name one member on this thread who will shoot him without batting an eyelid :p.

[BigBadGuber!]

What is the battery life on this device? If it is as bad as N900, its a deal breaker.

[smegheadz]

@Bernard

Speculating on why it costs so much, without being there and involved with the costs of development and manufacturing and knowing where all the real costs are and profit margins of both the samsung and nokia devices, is a waste of time, its pointless and means nothing as it's just assumption and guesswork and hearsay. might as well try divine it from chicken innards spilled in a bowl, will have as much a chance of guessing something.

[danramos]

@Bernard

Speculating on why it costs so much, without being there and involved with the costs of development and manufacturing and knowing where all the real costs are and profit margins of both the samsung and nokia devices, is a waste of time, its pointless and means nothing as it's just assumption and guesswork and hearsay. might as well try divine it from chicken innards spilled in a bowl, will have as much a chance of guessing something.

He doesn't need to be there... this is a competitive environment and if it costs Nokia's competitors FAR less to do better, then there is a failing. THAT is what it appears to me that Bernard pointed out. This isn't voodoo speculation, it's not black-box calculating and it's not really all that mysterious or odd for someone to point out that it shouldn't cost that much if many of Nokia's competitors are doing better, faster and cheaper work... then extending that into the speculative, but cognizant "they should be able to better, faster and cheaper with this too" comment.

[parkA]

Support of N9 announce until 2015
http://meegon9.tumblr.com/post/10198569998/official-support-for-the-n9-at-least-until-2015

[scapegoat845]

Also, last time I checked, metal costs more than plastic :) although its a beauty to behold though. Most of the cost is on the Nokia brand, it can't be manufacturing.

It's like fitting a boat into a bottle. Marko seems to disagree @ 21:20....

http://vimeo.com/28758945

Damn vimeo scrolling :mad:

[danramos]

Support of N9 announce until 2015
http://meegon9.tumblr.com/post/10198569998/official-support-for-the-n9-at-least-until-2015

Ah... so that means it'll come out 2014.. to be maybe kinda sorta supported up until 2015 and then abandoned after that? :)

[Bernard]

It's like fitting a boat into a bottle. Marko seems to disagree @ 21:20....

http://vimeo.com/28758945

I saw the video, but I mostly interpreted that part as a promotional speech about how exceptional Nokia manufacturing is with this design. Apple does similar things when talking about its products.

I'm just saying that I don't believe it really is that much more expensive compared to more traditional phone manufacturing lines.
This is only based on my believe that Nokia has a lot of smart people working for it, and I don't believe they would think that a "unibody" plastic case and curved screen would be so important that people would be willing to pay a lot more for those features.

Also it appears that upcoming Symbian and Windows Phone devices use a similar design. So even if the manufacturing process is expensive because it currently is new, they can smear out the R&D costs over a much larger range of products and sales.
Nokia always was extremely good at making cheap robust mass-market phones. I think this new manufacturing process is designed for that reason.

Nokia probably put a lot of R&D in this production process because of two reasons: fewer part probably means more easily automated manufacturing (labor in Europe is expensive), and fewer products will be returned under warranty, because a reduction in parts should increase robustness and reliability.
This last thing is also a very good thing for consumers, the N9 should be very robust from a physical point of view.

[buchanmilne]

This is only based on my believe that Nokia has a lot of smart people working for it, and I don't believe they would think that a "unibody" plastic case and curved screen would be so important that people would be willing to pay a lot more for those features.


Unlike their competitors?

[Bernard]

Unlike their competitors?
What makes you say that other manufacturers think that a curved screen and a unibody design is something that consumers want to spent a lot more money for?

[hotnikkelz]

Nokia has been doing this phone design thing for a long while. They ought to be the BEST at being efficient in cutting down design and manufacturing costs. If they can't, then they have failed. The design is great, but $200 more on obsolete hardware is not efficient no way you look at it. I'm disappointed to say the least.

[danramos]

What makes you say that other manufacturers think that a curved screen and a unibody design is something that consumers want to spent a lot more money for?

Erm... don't both of the Google Nexus S phones already have curved screens?

http://timenerdworld.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/big-curved-phone.jpg

I go back to my question... what makes Nokia's N9 so damned expensive? Can't be the curved screen, then, the Nexus S is specs-wise far better and it ALSO has a curved glass screen. :P

[mikecomputing]

Yeah but uncompetitive vs everything else. The hardware doesn't reflect the price. Many dual core phones are cheaper. Also, last time I checked, metal costs more than plastic :) although its a beauty to behold though. Most of the cost is on the Nokia brand, it can't be manufacturing.

And at the same time those dual/triple cores is often NOT optimized and is using totally different OS. So the comparision is just plain pointless until we now how the OS:es compares in case of smothness and how good pictures camera, video etc...

Come back when device is released and we can compare.

[gerbick]

Erm... don't both of the Google Nexus S phones already have curved screens?

Concave, not convex.

I go back to my question... what makes Nokia's N9 so damned expensive?

It's a Nokia N-series phone. No other reason needed.

[danramos]

And at the same time those dual/triple cores is often NOT optimized and is using totally different OS. So the comparision is just plain pointless until we now how the OS:es compares in case of smothness and how good pictures camera, video etc...

Come back when device is released and we can compare.

As I posted else-thread...

Sure, it's a virtual machine based operating system but despite your word for it, there's plenty of reviews and video out there that seems to disagree with the assertion you're attempting to make that virtual machine code runs slow [or that it doesn't take advantage of the multiple cores efficiently]. (i.e. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWTTVr0lvmo or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvKGGYfM-Dg or any number of other demos of people running pretty buttery smooth stuff on devices that are as much as a year old sometimes--by the by, that last one takes virtualization a step farther by emulating the Tegra chipset graphics on non-Tegra devices... so.. there's that, too.) :) Have you even used an Android device lately?

[danramos]

Concave, not convex.

Ahem... Curved.

[mikecomputing]

Many places don't seem to have 64GB version for preorder at all, because they can't get hold of them.

Just gives a feeling Nokia is limiting the production for some reason. :(

I guess I'll just have to put a preorder in just in case, if it's gonna be a long wait for next batch. I was just hoping to scout the prices for a bit..

Here in sweden its actually the 64Gb who is sold by atleast two of the carriers.

But it maybe is the reason price got up on 64Gb :O

[Rugoz]

Erm... don't both of the Google Nexus S phones already have curved screens?


Only in one dimension :cool:

[mikecomputing]

They had a N9 presentation yesterday at Elisa Studio in Helsinki.
I visited there (didn't see the actual presentation) later in the evening and was able to handle the N9. Very nice and pretty much what I expected, swipe is easy and I am sure that N9 will be very popular.
Anyway one other person asked about the deliveries and one Nokia person said that one of the (possible) reasons for the slow availability is that it takes much longer to produce N9s than the other handsets (several times longer). The physical construction (and production process) is quite different from any other current mobile.
He also said that the demand has been greater than expected.
At least the N9s coming for sale in Finland are being produced at the Salo factory.

I was going to preorder one from Elisa but they had only the 16GB version available for preorders.

Trying to get myself the 64 GB ASAP.

So this is the reason they abandoned Meego? I mean if it takes more time its a BIG reason for the to not using this TI chips (for example). Everything that costs money is bad for bussiness. A big reason the price will be higher for consumers....

I mean Symbian is using same CPU for and probadly most the same "layout" on most phones (ARM11) means lowering prices...

Also they maybe didnt get a good deal with Texas instrument and instead goes for Qualcom and as we know WP7 is already ported. Meego is not :(

[Cue]

They should just start to call this the Nokia UN9CORN.

It's an ideal beast and everyone wants a part of it, yet we may not see it at all.

UN9CORN Sounds like a group of countries developed a GM crop to end world hunger.

[danramos]

UN9CORN Sounds like a group of countries developed a GM crop to end world hunger.

uN9corn!

http://pleco.org/nok/uN9corn.png

[mikecomputing]

He doesn't need to be there... this is a competitive environment and if it costs Nokia's competitors FAR less to do better, then there is a failing. THAT is what it appears to me that Bernard pointed out. This isn't voodoo speculation, it's not black-box calculating and it's not really all that mysterious or odd for someone to point out that it shouldn't cost that much if many of Nokia's competitors are doing better, faster and cheaper work... then extending that into the speculative, but cognizant "they should be able to better, faster and cheaper with this too" comment.

ofcourse you can cut prices by manufactoring in China or other lowprice countrys where the workers is payed half or even lower salary.

Question is if thats good for European and US as countrys in the long run!?

Those price comparisions should deal with those facts too..

[eMiL]

Erm... don't both of the Google Nexus S phones already have curved screens?

http://timenerdworld.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/big-curved-phone.jpg

I go back to my question... what makes Nokia's N9 so damned expensive? Can't be the curved screen, then, the Nexus S is specs-wise far better and it ALSO has a curved glass screen. :P

I bet the case is as follows:

Nokia board of directors have been gathering for Friday sauna since late 2008 and after the N900 was released in 2009 they started reading up on TMO, just for kicks and giggles. It didn't take long before they discovered several members complaining about the tablet, about it not being a true IT. They were greatly amused by this, as the N900 was obviously an internet tablet with the additional phone functionality. One thing that they were particularly amused by was users who didn't even own the device, who still ranted on and on about how flawed, overpriced, under-speced and bulky it was etc.

Then came 2011. When the first hands on's of the newly announced successor of the N900, namely the N9, started going around the internets with nothing short of glowing first impressions, the board got a little bit uncomfortable. "If the whiners and complainers buy the N9, and are happy about the product, what happens to our Friday sauna-lolz?": they said. This is when they came up with the pricing of the N9. "There we go! Too expensive for the trolls! Now our Friday saunas are safe, FOREVER!!"

[hotnikkelz]

And at the same time those dual/triple cores is often NOT optimized and is using totally different OS. So the comparision is just plain pointless until we now how the OS:es compares in case of smothness and how good pictures camera, video etc...

Come back when device is released and we can compare.

huh?? what does software optimization have anything to do with what I mentioned? I mentioned nothing of performance, only manufacturing components.
eg A dual core processor COSTS more than an older single core processor unless I'm mistaken

[ericsson]

Seems Elop is REALLY hated now on this forum by almost everyone.

Oh well let's hope he is fired when the board realise just what damage he has actually done to what could have been a surviving company with a few problems now turned bad enough to actually sink them, maybe this is his plan?.

LOL :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Careful, you sound more and more like some doomsday group of fanatics.

NOKIA WILL DIE !!!!

Why? because eFlop = satan

Whohohohohooooooooooo


Grow up kids, it's way past pathetic now.

[jalyst]

or totally uncompetitive worker costs of the Finland manufacturing plants.

They have a huge network of plants all over Asia, South America, & some in EU.
Their manufacturing is not all done in Finland, far from it...
There was a map a fews back on one of the news sites, CBF'd digging it up.
But most of the points you made were solid, just thought I'd point this out though.

[danramos]

I bet the case is as follows:

Nokia board of directors have been gathering for Friday sauna since late 2008 and after the N900 was released in 2009 they started reading up on TMO, just for kicks and giggles. It didn't take long before they discovered several members complaining about the tablet, about it not being a true IT. They were greatly amused by this, as the N900 was obviously an internet tablet with the additional phone functionality. One thing that they were particularly amused by was users who didn't even own the device, who still ranted on and on about how flawed, overpriced, under-speced and bulky it was etc.

Then came 2011. When the first hands on's of the newly announced successor of the N900, namely the N9, started going around the internets with nothing short of glowing first impressions, the board got a little bit uncomfortable. "If the whiners and complainers buy the N9, and are happy about the product, what happens to our Friday sauna-lolz?": they said. This is when they came up with the pricing of the N9. "There we go! Too expensive for the trolls! Now our Friday saunas are safe, FOREVER!!"

I like that. QUICK! Somebody go to Wikipedia's NOKIA entry and put that in!!

[ericsson]

I bet the case is as follows:

Nokia board of directors have been gathering for Friday sauna since late 2008 and after the N900 was released in 2009 they started reading up on TMO, just for kicks and giggles. It didn't take long before they discovered several members complaining about the tablet, about it not being a true IT. They were greatly amused by this, as the N900 was obviously an internet tablet with the additional phone functionality. One thing that they were particularly amused by was users who didn't even own the device, who still ranted on and on about how flawed, overpriced, under-speced and bulky it was etc.

Then came 2011. When the first hands on's of the newly announced successor of the N900, namely the N9, started going around the internets with nothing short of glowing first impressions, the board got a little bit uncomfortable. "If the whiners and complainers buy the N9, and are happy about the product, what happens to our Friday sauna-lolz?": they said. This is when they came up with the pricing of the N9. "There we go! Too expensive for the trolls! Now our Friday saunas are safe, FOREVER!!"

Not a single N9 has been sold as of yet. The prices we see are simply guesswork by resellers. When it starts selling, the prices will drop 30-40% to a more correct level within 3-4 weeks.

[danramos]

ofcourse you can cut prices by manufactoring in China or other lowprice countrys where the workers is payed half or even lower salary.

Question is if thats good for European and US as countrys in the long run!?

Those price comparisions should deal with those facts too..

Where are the N9's being made? Surely not in Finland... probably not even in Europe. Certainly not while good ol' sh*t-eating grinning ex-Microsoft Canadian Elop's in charge.

[mikecomputing]

huh?? what does software optimization have anything to do with what I mentioned? I mentioned nothing of performance, only manufacturing components.
eg A dual core processor COSTS more than an older single core processor unless I'm mistaken

So you think engineer working with core OS/optimizing etc... is doing this for free?

As already said. there is plenty of reason N9 maybe has higher prices than for example samsung. You can't just compare components and saying XXX or YYY is lo/higherprice.

Biggest reason is probadly engineering work and factory costs. AFAIK most of the phones made by Nokia is done in it own factorys. And not licenced like many of the ANdroid phones. Just one of many reason.

N9 MAY be overpriced BUT we cant just compare it this way.

[slarti]

Where are the N9's being made? Surely not in Finland... probably not even in Europe. Certainly not while good ol' sh*t-eating grinning ex-Microsoft Canadian Elop's in charge.

Some are made in Salo (Finland) and I think some in (Romania) edit: Great Britain (Europe:p)...

[Bernard]

They have a huge network of plants all over Asia, South America, & some in EU.
Their manufacturing is not all done in Finland, far from it...
There was a map a fews back on one of the news sites, CBF'd digging it up.
But most of the points you made were solid, just thought I'd point this out though.

very true. Also "made in Finland" is a very relative term. Like you said Nokia has a lot of plants all over the world, and also outsources a lot to Chinese manufacturers. Most adapters, cables etc. are made in china that way.
When a phone is "made in Finland" it only means that the last part of assembly is done in Finland. The chips, screen, electronic board, even the housing parts can all be made at a different (cheaper) location, and the phone can still be called "made in Finland".

[slarti]

AFAIK most of the phones made by Nokia is done in european. And not Asia like many of the ANdroid phones.

Nokia has huge factories and subcontractors all over Asia. Most high-end phones are manufactured in Europe, though.

There was just a study by Finnwatch about Nokia factories in India that criticized the wages paid by Nokia. Link to PDF. (http://www.finnwatch.org/images/stories/Phony_Equality_2011.pdf)

[ericsson]

Where are the N9's being made? Surely not in Finland... probably not even in Europe. Certainly not while good ol' sh*t-eating grinning ex-Microsoft Canadian Elop's in charge.

How about keeping your racist remarks to yourself for a change?

[catbus]

Some are made in Salo (Finland) and I think some in Romania (Europe:p)...

I "heard" that mostly in Salo... But who knows...

[tissot]

Some are made in Salo (Finland) and I think some in (Romania) edit: Great Britain (Europe:p)...

There's quite a high chance that N9 will be put together in Salo, Finland. Like pretty much all of the top end phones... other than N900. :D
Usually the other plant for high end phones is in China feeding the Asian market.

While the Romania plant is supposedly the most modern one and was in the process couple of years ago to become the largest of the 10 factories they at least used to make only S40 phones. Dunno about now

[slarti]

There's quite a high chance that N9 will be put together in Salo, Finland. Like pretty much all of the top end phones... other than N900. :D
Usually the other plant for high end phones is in China feeding the Asian market.

While the Romania plant is supposedly the most modern one and was in the process couple of years ago to become the largest of the 10 factories they at least used to make only S40 phones. Dunno about now

Hence the edit. I can't find the source anymore, but I remember reading about it or hearing from a Nokia rep, that Finland and Great Britain were the main countries in N9 manufacturing. Since I can't find the source, take this with a grain of salt.

[scapegoat845]

Nokia Malaysia’s N9 Event Summary: (with 2 videos)

http://yourstop.wordpress.com/2011/09/14/nokia-malaysias-n9-launch-event-summary/

[Guffaw]

1 hour 20min to the Finnish campaign starts.
http://ensikosketus.nokia.fi/

If we are lucky (I guess not), maybe some new stuff.:cool:

[Chuck Norris]

What kind of campaign? Its Greek.

[Guffaw]

What kind of campaign? Its Greek.

Google:
"Sign up to give your opinion Nokia N9 machine and win yourself a groundbreaking novelty. We ask for four weeks opinions about the new Nokia N9 device. We reward every day for one lucky Nokia N9 has the most active, and additional prizes. The campaign begins 09/15/2011."

They want opinions on N9. No rules yet. So lets see in 1 hour.

[tissot]

It's no secret what the page is about.
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/09/01/n9-countdown-for-finland-released-september-15/

It's Nokia's own competition (exactly the same as for N8 (http://n8ensikosketus.nokia.fi/)) where by giving your opinions you can win N9 everyday for the next 28 days.

[Chuck Norris]

Only for greeks?

[Pillum]

wtf, this is finnish :D

[gerbick]

Ahem... Curved.

There's a double entendre in here... somewhere.

[eMiL]

Only for greeks?

Finns! People living in Finland! The language is Finnish! FINNS!

[Chuck Norris]

Ok, so not for greeks?

[mikecomputing]

18 minutes left until Elop gets fired...

[coderedcomputing]

oooh pretty spinning N9... anyone find the source for the pretties? figure I can stare at it spinning and spinning and make the wait for the actual release go faster...

:(

[danramos]

Where are the N9's being made? Surely not in Finland... probably not even in Europe. Certainly not while good ol' sh*t-eating grinning ex-Microsoft Canadian Elop's in charge.
How about keeping your racist remarks to yourself for a change?

What part of that was racist?

[Hihu]

NOOOOOOO....
http://ensikosketus.nokia.fi/
--------------------------------------------------------
Authorization Required

This server could not verify that you are authorized to access the document requested. Either you supplied the wrong credentials (e.g., bad password), or your browser doesn't understand how to supply the credentials required.

Apache/2.2.3 (CentOS) Server at ensikosketus.nokia.fi Port 80
--------------------------------------------------------

[titou1234]

Erm... don't both of the Google Nexus S phones already have curved screens?

http://timenerdworld.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/big-curved-phone.jpg

I go back to my question... what makes Nokia's N9 so damned expensive? Can't be the curved screen, then, the Nexus S is specs-wise far better and it ALSO has a curved glass screen. :P


Could it be the form factor ?
I think that the body is only in one piece without any screw. So the assembly has to be tricky and it increases the time to do it. Perhaps, this could justify the price.

[eMiL]

Try refreshing it now! It suddenly promts for user name and pw ^^

ensikosketus.nokia.fi/ (http://ensikosketus.nokia.fi/)

edit: not anymore!

[Guffaw]

Try refreshing it now! It suddenly promts for user name and pw ^^

ensikosketus.nokia.fi/ (http://ensikosketus.nokia.fi/)

Works now. Woho. New video.:D

The campaign is open to all persons residing in Finland, Nokia Corporation, excluding the employee's family as well as campaign planning and execution of the undertakings participating employees. The competition will be drawn 15.09.2011 - 13.10.2011 between twenty-eight-device Nokia N9 (prize value is approximately EUR 600) and ten (the prize value of approximately EUR 200), the Nokia 360 speakers.

Good luck Finns :D

[Bernard]

18 minutes left until Elop gets fired...

That flash site is SO well programmed :D : It doesn't refresh automatically, so the timer keeps going, even when the countdown ended!

[mikecomputing]

NOOOOOOO....
http://ensikosketus.nokia.fi/
--------------------------------------------------------
Authorization Required

This server could not verify that you are authorized to access the document requested. Either you supplied the wrong credentials (e.g., bad password), or your browser doesn't understand how to supply the credentials required.

Apache/2.2.3 (CentOS) Server at ensikosketus.nokia.fi Port 80
--------------------------------------------------------

ROTFL Elopcalypse part III

[danramos]

That flash site is SO well programmed :D : It doesn't refresh automatically, so the timer keeps going, even when the countdown ended!

Can't wait to see how well programmed the device is once it's in the general public's hands. ...someday. ;)

[unfuccwittable]

^shhhhhhh! you'll jinx it!

[smegheadz]

has anyone kept track of the confirmed prices? i've been lurking a bit here because works pretty havok lately but only seen some preorder random stuff, nothing concrete.

[bequezox]

Only in one dimension :cool:

Not trying to be a douche or anything, but how can something curve in one dimension :confused:?? ;)

and for the record, i'm one of those stupid customers who'd like to pay a bit extra in order to receive extra niceness in build-quality. I once tried a 6210 (i think it was) made from metal, and it was horribly nice to the touch!! The costs were apparently astronomical, but that was of course also due to the fact that it was a prototype (don't even think the cover was from nokia)

But i am very sure that the manufactoring costs of N9 is quite a bit higher than most of the droids (only talking "shell" here, not the electrical parts)

to make the screen curve in 3 dimensions is quite a crappy task, as well as making a unibody, compared to a flat screen and just make the darn think hold together using stickers *cough* SE *cough*

IMO nokia has always been in front when it comes to design and durability (sonim doen's count;)), and thats the main reason i was never quite as fond of samsing d600 as my 7210.

Wether it's the right way to go is up to us, i guess.. Some like to change their phone every six-ten months, and they dont need a phone that can last for three years. i personally think it's crappy when they begin to fall apart after two years.

You may call me insane, but at the end of the day i'd rather have mediocre (IMO sufficient) hardware inside and outstanding hardware outside, than the opposite. If its fluent and swift, then screw the benchmarks, it's still more capable than any droid (minus the fart-apps, haven't tried one that hadn't at least one of those installed)!!

just my .02...

[danramos]

Not trying to be a douche or anything, but how can something curve in one dimension :confused:?? ;)

and for the record, i'm one of those stupid customers who'd like to pay a bit extra in order to receive extra niceness in build-quality. I once tried a 6210 (i think it was) made from metal, and it was horribly nice to the touch!! The costs were apparently astronomical, but that was of course also due to the fact that it was a prototype (don't even think the cover was from nokia)

But i am very sure that the manufactoring costs of N9 is quite a bit higher than most of the droids (only talking "shell" here, not the electrical parts)

to make the screen curve in 3 dimensions is quite a crappy task, as well as making a unibody, compared to a flat screen and just make the darn think hold together using stickers *cough* SE *cough*

IMO nokia has always been in front when it comes to design and durability (sonim doen's count;)), and thats the main reason i was never quite as fond of samsing d600 as my 7210.

Wether it's the right way to go is up to us, i guess.. Some like to change their phone every six-ten months, and they dont need a phone that can last for three years. i personally think it's crappy when they begin to fall apart after two years.

You may call me insane, but at the end of the day i'd rather have mediocre (IMO sufficient) hardware inside and outstanding hardware outside, than the opposite. If its fluent and swift, then screw the benchmarks, it's still more capable than any droid (minus the fart-apps, haven't tried one that hadn't at least one of those installed)!!

just my .02...

Then you'll love the Nexus Prime... mind you, this is rumored, still...

http://androidandme.com/2011/09/news/rumor-nexus-prime-to-be-8-8-mm-thick-have-curved-screen-and-metal-chassis/

NEXUS PRIME (aka Samsung I9250, possibly the Samsung Galaxy Nexus)
4.65-inch SuperAMOLED screen
1280 x 720 pixel resolution
8.8 millimeters thick
metal chassis
running Android's Ice Cream Sandwich
arrives in the US by the end of October... supposedly just after the iPhone 5 launch ;)

The relevant portion here... let's see how much this will cost, compared to the N9.

[blipnl]

Everyone knows it's not going to be cheap. Remember how Nokia said they are going to spend mountains on Nokia WP ads when it's there?

I was wondering how they could cough up that kinda dough. *grunt* n9 *grunt*

;)

[bequezox]

Then you'll love the Nexus Prime... mind you, this is rumored, still...

http://androidandme.com/2011/09/news/rumor-nexus-prime-to-be-8-8-mm-thick-have-curved-screen-and-metal-chassis/

NEXUS PRIME (aka Samsung I9250, possibly the Samsung Galaxy Nexus)
4.65-inch SuperAMOLED screen
1280 x 720 pixel resolution
8.8 millimeters thick
metal chassis
running Android's Ice Cream Sandwich
arrives in the US by the end of October... supposedly just after the iPhone 5 launch ;)

The relevant portion here... let's see how much this will cost, compared to the N9.

Perhaps i will.. curved screen is not enough, though... it's that dualcurving niceness of the n9 i like... and touchbuttons is soo 2000-late, i really hope the droids gets something different soon.. it doesn't feel right, and it takes up too much space.., but yes build-qualitywise it does seem nice (from the petty amount of info, though :P)

the only complaint is a screen of 4.65 inches. if it has a bezel which is 1mm thick i'll manage, otherwise people will think me a pervert with that thing in my pocket :P

[danramos]

Perhaps i will.. curved screen is not enough, though... it's that dualcurving niceness of the n9 i like... and touchbuttons is soo 2000-late, i really hope the droids gets something different soon.. it doesn't feel right, and it takes up too much space.., but yes build-qualitywise it does seem nice (from the petty amount of info, though :P)

the only complaint is a screen of 4.65 inches. if it has a bezel which is 1mm thick i'll manage, otherwise people will think me a pervert with that thing in my pocket :P

Actually, as I understood it, since it's running Ice Cream Sandwich, it's not supposed to have any buttons anymore (ala Honeycomb style UI move to remove buttons).

Also, I walk about with a 7-inch Samsung Galaxy Tab in my pocket all the time. So far, I've never had anyone say they even noticed it. Actually had several Verizon guys try to walk up to me to sell me on tablets whenever I peruse them and then have to show them that I'm already carrying one and listening to my podcasts (since I'm usually wearing my Motorola S305 (http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-S305-Bluetooth-Headset-Packaging/dp/B002BH3I9U) bluetooth stereo headphones while I walk about the shops).

I'll bet it won't be cheap either, though, but I get the sense it'll still be cheaper (and far better specced.. coming out in a couple of months, possibly) than the N9. It's an incredible shame that Nokia concentrated so hard to lock it down with closed-source and TC/DRM, instead of investing those resources toward getting far more MeeGo compatible open-friendly and competitive components to at least be able to claim to be better than Android or anyone else's offerings.

[unfuccwittable]

Everyone knows it's not going to be cheap. Remember how Nokia said they are going to spend mountains on Nokia WP ads when it's there?

I was wondering how they could cough up that kinda dough. *grunt* n9 *grunt*

;)
I believe Microsoft is picking up most of that tab.....

[babraq]

Could it be the form factor ?
I think that the body is only in one piece without any screw. So the assembly has to be tricky and it increases the time to do it. Perhaps, this could justify the price.

Display is mounted with 2 screws.

[bequezox]

Actually, as I understood it, since it's running Ice Cream Sandwich, it's not supposed to have any buttons anymore (ala Honeycomb style UI move to remove buttons).

Also, I walk about with a 7-inch Samsung Galaxy Tab in my pocket all the time. So far, I've never had anyone say they even noticed it. Actually had several Verizon guys try to walk up to me to sell me on tablets whenever I peruse them and then have to show them that I'm already carrying one and listening to my podcasts (since I'm usually wearing my Motorola S305 (http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-S305-Bluetooth-Headset-Packaging/dp/B002BH3I9U) bluetooth stereo headphones while I walk about the shops).

I'll bet it won't be cheap either, though, but I get the sense it'll still be cheaper (and far better specced.. coming out in a couple of months, possibly) than the N9. It's an incredible shame that Nokia concentrated so hard to lock it down with closed-source and TC/DRM, instead of investing those resources toward getting far more MeeGo compatible open-friendly and competitive components to at least be able to claim to be better than Android or anyone else's offerings.

FINALLY get rid of those damned droid buttons :)

Well, tbh i guess it's got nothing to do with anyone else. it's just my legs that are too big, og my pants that are too small... the result is, nevertheless, that several of my pant get a nasty white stripe, and sometimes they even get torn apart. furthermore the practicality of using just one hand to reach most of the screen at least also dies out when the screen exceeds 4 inches. I gave up one handed usage with the n900, but i'm certainly looking forward to trying it daily once again. it'll be the sacrifice of my hardware keyboard, but i think i'll manage!

It's funny, cause when i go to some phonesalesman to talk about N9 he says that it's nice, but if just wait a little longer i can get the so-called searay instead.. which is the same, just better.. then i tell the man that i honestly think that windows phone is getting better, and that i am looking forward to the nokia windowsphone, BUT that i wont buy one, and that i think meego (sry maemo6Harmattan:rolleyes:) is way nicer, smoother and more user friendly, they don't want to talk to me anymore... perhaps microsoft is paying them to propagandize (is that a word) their products...

and as for meego.. well... i think you're absolutely right... more open would definately be nice... BUT, if they've ever had any hopes (seems like they don't nowadays, but anyway..) to sell this phone to real people (not you reading this, and not me, people who want a nice looking, nice feeling, easy to use phone i guess 99 percent of users??) they have to make it look fancy, and to do that, they have to use closed source from a business point of view i guess... and well... honestly... if it makes them sell more, which leads to more support (no, do not start trolling, just hear me out!!), then i'll be happy, and the customizability of the n900 was more than enough for me.. N9 is a tad more closed ui-wise, let's see if it suffices...

but i'll go to bed, my digital systems course is calling for me @ 08.15.. sweet dreams, folks!

[smegheadz]

one thing i'm glad about is the size of the n9, i like my nutsack to have some room in my jeans with an already crowded pocket of wallet, change, and keys. i tried the sg1 and sg2 and their way to big, same with the omnia 7. i think iphone size is good, not too small not to big.

@bequezox
i have to agree there. i prefer a solid phone that lasts then super spec. i remember people used to ask me why i bothered buying these expensive system boards and other components when they can get a faster one and cheaper one etc. i prefer quality when i can get it and it's valued right for me.

[jalyst]

Holy cow this thread's on fire, can we slaughter kittens yet?

<SNIP>
NEXUS PRIME (aka Samsung I9250, possibly the Samsung Galaxy Nexus)
4.65-inch SuperAMOLED screen
1280 x 720 pixel resolution
8.8 millimeters thick
metal chassis
running Android's Ice Cream Sandwich
arrives in the US by the end of October... supposedly just after the iPhone 5 launch ;)
<SNIP>

Crap if accurate, I do believe the N9's about to be "shat on".
It was possible to argue that it holds-it's-own against top-end's out now, & the iP5.*
But this looks just too damn good, in every hw aspect.
Nexus Prime was on the short-list for my next Android.
Looks like it will be my Android upgrade, if this is factual.
After my N9, of course!!!! :D
This time it'll prolly be available in Oz way later than the US, which was the opposite for the SGSII.
Still, I imagine the large size will be irritating at times.
I still feel it's getting ridiculous (for a ph) once you go past 4.6".

*judging by the rumoured mediocre hw bump

[jalyst]

<SNIP>Anyway one other person asked about the deliveries and one Nokia person said that one of the (possible) reasons for the slow availability is that it takes much longer to produce N9s than the other handsets (several times longer). The physical construction (and production process) is quite different from any other current mobile.
He also said that the demand has been greater than expected.
At least the N9s coming for sale in Finland are being produced at the Salo factory.

Def. want to address this, no time now.
Trying to step-away from this stuff a bit more.
Smells very odd....

has anyone kept track of the confirmed prices? i've been lurking a bit here because works pretty havok lately but only seen some preorder random stuff, nothing concrete.

We prolly should start a wiki entry hey?

Wow, Engadget really do love their Mangos don't they :rolleyes:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/14/windows-phone-mango-demoed-by-microsoft-in-dramatic-fashion-vid/

[Joao]

Many complaints that you pay to much for the Mobile-Phones. What's expensive? Nokias Oro, the golden C7 costs about 1000 euros. Expensive?

What about the Motorola MC75A, almost 2000 euros.:eek:
I dont see any silver, gold or diamonds on him.
And i don't think it's the NFC-chip....
Foto, video and specifications on my website. Ooh yeh... also a link where you can buy him....:D
(Laughing is good for everyone.) And This link here is not about that Phone. Just my website.
http://www.nfc-phones.org/what-can-we-do-with-nfc-phones/ Today I updated the info about stickers, summarized; not all NFC-stickers transforms your Mobile Phone into an NFC-Phone!

[gerbick]

Many complaints that you pay to much for the Mobile-Phones. What's expensive? Nokias Oro, the golden C7 costs about 1000 euros. Expensive?

Not as expensive as the Tag Heuer Link Smartphone (4700 Euros). Just because it is expensive as hell doesn't mean it will sell.

And just because it is expensive, doesn't mean it's justified either.

[aironeous]

ofcourse you can cut prices by manufactoring in China or other lowprice countrys where the workers is payed half or even lower salary.

Question is if thats good for European and US as countrys in the long run!?

Those price comparisions should deal with those facts too..

The maximum a Chinese factory worker gets per month is $206 that's why I just lost my job making solar panels at SolarWorld after 8 years. That plant has been there for more than 30 years. Some of the workers had been working there for more than 30 years. Why did it close? The executives said the Chinese are flooding the market with cheap solar panels. I can't imagine Nokia is somehow immune to this pressure.

[danramos]

Not as expensive as the Tag Heuer Link Smartphone (4700 Euros). Just because it is expensive as hell doesn't mean it will sell.

And just because it is expensive, doesn't mean it's justified either.

You mean... THESE incredible things??

http://www.ablogtoread.com/tag-heuer-link-smart-phone-exclusive-debut/

http://www.ablogtoread.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/TAG-Heuer-Link-Stainless-Steel-Brown-Alligator.jpg

http://www.ablogtoread.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/TAG-Heuer-Link-Full-Rose-Gold-Black-Alligator.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMo1P60rwh8

Hilarious. :) You have to admit, though, the video is pretty good--STILL better than that crap pseudo-transformer garbage Nokia kept lugging out.

[danramos]

The maximum a Chinese factory worker gets per month is $206 that's why I just lost my job making solar panels at SolarWorld after 8 years. That plant has been there for more than 30 years. Some of the workers had been working there for more than 30 years. Why did it close? The executives said the Chinese are flooding the market with cheap solar panels. I can't imagine Nokia is somehow immune to this pressure.

Although, it might make you feel slightly (only very, very slightly) better to know that Chinese workers are starting to demand higher wages and rights akin to the late 1930 revolts and unions in the US--they're even taking that step of unionizing and the government in China doesn't seem to mind. I'm a little confused by that last detail, considering everything else they won't tolerate, but I suppose they're maturing... slowly, but maturing. This MIGHT mean that they're going to become less cheaper as the population begins to demand more middle-income lifestyles. At least, I seem to recall multiple news reports to that effect. If I come across one again, I can let you know, if you really want some of that kind of news.

[caa]

Works now. Woho. New video.:D


Interesting. It looks like the white version (or white cased version) also appears at the end of that video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQYSradMJ_0

[jo21]

Only to Americans does it seem weird that anyone drives a "stickshift" (most of the rest of the world considers an "automatic" to be outside the norm ...).

americans can't multitask.

u know there epic irony in that when u compared to their OS.

[buchanmilne]

What makes you say that other manufacturers think that a curved screen and a unibody design is something that consumers want to spent a lot more money for?

It is more the unibody approach, as seen in Apple's Macbook Pro which would have the cost impact. I don't think there is *that* much difference between machining aluminium and polycarbonate, I think in both cases the limiting factor in production time is heat dissipation, so machining speeds will probably be quite similar.

[jalyst]

Many complaints that you pay to much for the Mobile-Phones. What's expensive? Nokias Oro, the golden C7 costs about 1000 euros. Expensive?

What about the Motorola MC75A, almost 2000 euros.:eek:
I dont see any silver, gold or diamonds on him.
And i don't think it's the NFC-chip....
Foto, video and specifications on my website. Ooh yeh... also a link where you can buy him....:D
(Laughing is good for everyone.) And This link here is not about that Phone. Just my website.
http://www.nfc-phones.org/what-can-we-do-with-nfc-phones/ Today I updated the info about stickers, summarized; not all NFC-stickers transforms your Mobile Phone into an NFC-Phone!

Can you answer my last Qn/response to you now?

Cheers.

[buchanmilne]

So this is the reason they abandoned Meego? I mean if it takes more time its a BIG reason for the to not using this TI chips (for example).


Huh? This was about the manufacturing of the *shell* of the phone, you know, the same one that was shown on the SeaRay, so possibly an indication that they will use the same process for WP7, and possibly Symbian, phones.


Also they maybe didnt get a good deal with Texas instrument and instead goes for Qualcomm and as we know WP7 is already ported. Meego is not :(

Huh? No, WP7 is *only* ported to Qualcomm, *not* TI, whereas Linux (e.g. all those Android phones) is already ported to Qualcom. There should be minimal work involved in "porting" Meego (since the majority of the platform that needs hardware-specific work is, you know, the *kernel*, which has some commonality between Android and Meego).

And of course, Meego *does* run on Qualcomm (http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/MSMQSD).

Part of the benefit Nokia would have had with moving to the real Meego platform would have been the easy adoption of newer upstream kernel work (hopefully including contributions from other handset vendors). Whether or not Harmattan would be able to do so is probably only an academic question now.

But, with all your posts on Meego so far, surely you should have known all of this already?

[jalyst]

I was thinking this too ^ :)
Prolly just worn-out from all the posting.

[jalyst]

http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/15/ballmer-windows-phones-arent-selling-very-well-but-were-not/

[delmar]

http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/15/ballmer-windows-phones-arent-selling-very-well-but-were-not/

Ballmer: "Windows Phones aren't selling very well, but we're not worried".

Give us the N9 in all countrys and also more MeeGo devices. You'll sell them all. :D

[IcyMoustache]

funny how oflate, engadget has really dropped in content.... (not that quality was ever great in the first place)

often you see this single paragraph posts, which explain jack$hit, and then prompt readers to discuss among themselves....

[gerbick]

americans can't multitask.

u know there epic irony in that when u compared to their OS.

Oh, you totally got us there.

[delmar]

I realize that Ballmer refers to the previous state (if the statement is true at all) and the Nokia WP and Mango are still not been released. But I could not hold back to respond.

[Pillum]

only 9 posts to 6000 and still no end in sight..:(

[jalyst]

I'd like to see how long this thread can remain quiet/dead. :)
It'd be a nice change, no offense meant to anyone in particular.

[lsolano]

Even if this thread is close to 6k posts, it will never have the passion and feeling that the epic pr1.3 waiting thread had :-D

[jn183]

I just saw this from GSM and I checked Amazon too. The technical section does said Will be available Sept 23rd. Hmmm... 8days away and no pricing for pre-order

http://www.gsmarena.com/amazon_puts_the_nokia_n9_on_preorder_promises_sept ember_23rd_delivery-news-3133.php

[jalyst]

Yeah saw that, at least it seems Amazon has placed this (not a 3rd party).
And Nokia did mention at one point that Amazon will be selling the N9 IIRC.
But I call BS on the 23/09 date mentioned there....

[Chuck Norris]

The release is in October.

[Kozzi]

October news:
"Nokia's first batch of N9 mistakenly got WP7 installed instead of Meego Harmattan"

Nokia's response: we are not going to replace the product, but users can install Harmattan by complying the code themselves and use Nokia Link's backdoor hack (which will be fixed in two days) to patch the filesystem and do the installation on the microSD storage available on the device.

Stephen Elop: First Nokia WP devices to come in Q4 2011 (http://www.gsmarena.com/stephen_elop_first_nokia_wp_devices_to_come_in_q4-news-3132.php)

/s

[anonymous]

Nothing to add. Just wanted to steal it from Chuck.

[Chuck Norris]

Steal what?

[Joao]

at Jalyst, doubt is about N9+secure payments? Maybe it's another question, I can't read everything every day here, You are very productive here.:D
My question to Nokia was; Nokias 6 handsets with NFC chip have a secure element or SWP ?
Nokias answer; "Secure NFC in this context means secure payment. Nokia is committed to supporting the specification, implementation and introduction of NFC phones with the SIM-based (Single Wire Protocol) secure element." I did not mention the N9 seperately, but the N9 is 1 of the 6....
I tried to find more info about that protocol (SWP). I didn't find out what it is exactly. Some software in firmware or if it must be fried in a chip?

[BigBadGuber!]

I just saw this from GSM and I checked Amazon too. The technical section does said Will be available Sept 23rd. Hmmm... 8days away and no pricing for pre-order

http://www.gsmarena.com/amazon_puts_the_nokia_n9_on_preorder_promises_sept ember_23rd_delivery-news-3133.php

Its not on US Amazon site. Just checked it

[ericsson]

Steal what?

The number 6000 :mad: :mad: :p :)

[bbin]

This place is such an elephant graveyard nowadays.

[coderedcomputing]

Nicely done sir

[dtergens]

N9 start-up sequence :

http://www.manvsmachine.co.uk/projects/project/nokia_n9

[BigBadGuber!]

N9 start-up sequence :

http://www.manvsmachine.co.uk/projects/project/nokia_n9

This may kill N9:

http://blog.gsmarena.com/turn-your-iphones-ios-into-os-x-with-this-stunning-mod-video/

[jn183]

Its not on US Amazon site. Just checked it

It's there. You have to scroll down to technical section. GSM's picture is the result of when they clicked technical detail link

[dtergens]

This may kill N9:

http://blog.gsmarena.com/turn-your-iphones-ios-into-os-x-with-this-stunning-mod-video/
lol, are you already looking for a N9-killer ? xD

[BigBadGuber!]

It's there. You have to scroll down to technical section. GSM's picture is the result of when they clicked technical detail link

give me the link. says unavailable on my screen

[gerbick]

give me the link. says unavailable on my screen

If you mean to order it from Amazon, then no. You are out of luck. It's not available in the already announced countries, so it's available on Amazon.com US either.

What happened to the Swiss Sept. 15th announcement?

[NokiaN9KickYourAss]

I had the opportunity to play with a n9 today(offline) for a few minutes. Great device, so yeah, please read my name. It's very close now :)

[gerbick]

Close is only good for horseshoes, hand grenades and avoiding ugly women.

[rentze]

What happened to the Swiss Sept. 15th announcement?

Well, nothing. The operator (Orange CH) removed the date in question a looong time ago... I have actually written that somewhere around the thread, but it was just a drop in the sea...

[Joao]

If you reaealy want the N9. You can pre-order at Expansys.xx , or imported model from amazon.de. 619,- (does amazon.de sent mobile phones to other countries?)

[jalyst]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4760/arms-mali400-mp4-is-the-fastest-smartphone-gpufor-now
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4784/intel-oculus-preparing-intel-for-competition-in-smartphones-tablets
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4788/intels-medfield-gingerbread-smartphone-reference-platform

[don_falcone]

If you reaealy want the N9. You can pre-order at Expansys.xx , or imported model from amazon.de. 619,- (does amazon.de sent mobile phones to other countries?)

It depends on the Amazon market place seller where they will ship to. Even If sold directly by Amazon, it's as well often the case that you cannot use foreign delivery address.

[jalyst]

http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/15/ballmer-windows-phones-arent-selling-very-well-but-were-not/

LOL the amt of trolling & counter-trolling going on in this thread is epic, go forth and troll I say! :D
Be warned though, the moderators are very quick to wipe you from the public's consciousness.

[jalyst]

See here....
http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-64GB-Black-Cyan-Magenta/dp/B005HA3Y2O/ref

<SNIP> It's not available in the already announced countries, so it's available on Amazon.com US either.

Nokia's official countries list has long since proven to be a joke, tis hardly a reliable guide.

Plus I vaguely recall Nokia specifically saying it'll still be available @Amazon.
For North Americans who were upset about it not being available etc...
Can't find the story now... But who knows, wouldn't be surprised if they've decided not to now.

[aironeous]

Even if this thread is close to 6k posts, it will never have the passion and feeling that the epic pr1.3 waiting thread had :-D
That was the Prease Rait thread. I remember it clearly.

By the way, someone from Nokia has got some time approved to help javispedro figure out the best way to get the FM radio working on the N9.

See here
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3902&page=8

[delmar]

What happened to the Swiss Sept. 15th announcement?

No news. You can preorder them on different online-shops but they give no date of availability. I've also signed in Nokia.at and Nokia.ch and they will mail me the availability, buth nothing till today, Maybe Elop ereased unfotunately all the informations concerning this persons like me.

[jalyst]

This may kill N9:

http://blog.gsmarena.com/turn-your-iphones-ios-into-os-x-with-this-stunning-mod-video/

That's actually pretty cool... Might install on my iTouch 4G...
Intrigued as-to-how he's able to so radically overhaul the UI from the default one.
Not sure how practical it'd be in practice, desktop UI not the best for a ph interface etc.
Then again more & more elements of OSX are looking more like iOS nowadays.
I'm really quite amazed one person has pulled-this-off? :confused:

[Guffaw]

No news. You can preorder them on different online-shops but they give no date of availability. I've also signed in Nokia.at and Nokia.ch and they will mail me the availability, buth nothing till today, Maybe Elop ereased unfotunately all the informations concerning this persons like me.

Only news from Nokia Schweiz today:
http://presse.nokia.ch/german/press_release/2011/Nokia_Symbian_Anna_110915.html

EDIT:
Found the urls for N9 @ Telenor Norway:
Nettbutikk Telenor >Mobil - Nokia N9 16 GB Cyan
http://nettbutikk.telenor.no/Mobiles-N9TELENOR.NOC.aspx
Nettbutikk Telenor >Mobil - Nokia N9 16 GB Black
http://nettbutikk.telenor.no/Mobiles-N9TELENOR.NOB.aspx

No info added/activated yet :rolleyes:

[mikecomputing]

FINALLY get rid of those damned droid buttons :)


It's funny, cause when i go to some phonesalesman to talk about N9 he says that it's nice, but if just wait a little longer i can get the so-called searay instead.. which is the same, just better.. then i tell the man that i honestly think that windows phone is getting better, and that i am looking forward to the nokia windowsphone, BUT that i wont buy one, and that i think meego (sry maemo6Harmattan:rolleyes:) is way nicer, smoother and more user friendly, they don't want to talk to me anymore... perhaps microsoft is paying them to propagandize (is that a word) their products...



WHY do you think he is saying ""WP is better" well its SIMPLE he probadly gets double payment saying that?

Only IDIOTS dont understand that. Thats how it always has worked.

And its a shame to many people are so damn brain watched and buying it over and over again.

And by this I dont only mean phones.. Its ****ing everywhere. Even politics, economy, everything...

[mikecomputing]

Although, it might make you feel slightly (only very, very slightly) better to know that Chinese workers are starting to demand higher wages and rights akin to the late 1930 revolts and unions in the US--they're even taking that step of unionizing and the government in China doesn't seem to mind. I'm a little confused by that last detail, considering everything else they won't tolerate, but I suppose they're maturing... slowly, but maturing. This MIGHT mean that they're going to become less cheaper as the population begins to demand more middle-income lifestyles. At least, I seem to recall multiple news reports to that effect. If I come across one again, I can let you know, if you really want some of that kind of news.

....and thats means the price will go up for Kina android phones too....

[Chuck Norris]

reminder: this thread is not about WP or android and prices.

Its about n9 and catching x000 posts.

focus...

[mikecomputing]

Huh? This was about the manufacturing of the *shell* of the phone, you know, the same one that was shown on the SeaRay, so possibly an indication that they will use the same process for WP7, and possibly Symbian, phones.


okey.

I know WP is NOT running on TI :) What I meant was there may very well be a deal with Qualcom before they did the deal about WP.

And because of that Meego was not in that time ready for Qualcom the more logical step was to go WP?

I dont say I am 100 right on this but it is something that has come to mind more than once. TI seems to loose market very much now. Same for Intel... (wo maybe was another failed deal by Nokia? AFAIK Intel STILL cant deliver a decent Handset based CPU...

I see it in a bigger issue, Qualcom and Microsoft are very well in bed with Microsoft, Same goes for Nvidia.

those who feeding HW companies best wins the deal.

That makes me wonder how long Google Android has a chance?
In a longer perspective....

This is not only about "ecosystems and apps" IMHO....

TI is also the loosers AFAIK, Even i they had good ARM CPU:s...

Those feeding Qualcom much money may very well say "well if we user your HW we want the best optimized drivers" (means closed source drivers)

Just ask yourself,. Do you think GOogle is willing enought going that direction? And had that much money doing it? AFAIK google is a "webcomnpany" not a HW company. Even if they try to be "cool" by buuying halfbroken Motorola.

Again I dislike this but... Thats how the damn bussiness seems to work :-(

[Lindegaard]

This may kill N9:

http://blog.gsmarena.com/turn-your-iphones-ios-into-os-x-with-this-stunning-mod-video/

lol, that is just stupid. the icons it just as (un)useable as windows 6.5... (not a compliment).

[afaq]

I had a dream about the n9. I'm not proud but I feel a little satisfied.

[gerbick]

lol, that is just stupid. the icons it just as (un)useable as windows 6.5... (not a compliment).

So... it's ok when it's Ubuntu on the N900, but it's not okay if it's OS X (ish) on the iPhone?

[danramos]

LOL the amt of trolling & counter-trolling going on in this thread is epic, go forth and troll I say! :D
Be warned though, the moderators are very quick to wipe you from the public's consciousness.

What's epic is the picture from the article. :P

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/09/ballmershopkeeper3-1316079743.jpg

[quipper8]

So... it's ok when it's Ubuntu on the N900, but it's not okay if it's OS X (ish) on the iPhone?

it would be cool if it was osx, but as it is, it is some skinning, theming, and a few apps.

[gerbick]

it would be cool if it was osx, but as it is, it is some skinning, theming, and a few apps.

I know... but same difference. It's a skin that emulates an OS which has been scaled down to a smaller screen.

Same issues about the the icons, whatnot would exist there too if it were indeed OS X as if it were (which is real) Ubuntu or Debian on the N900. It's an OS that's been dropped down to the size of a cellphone screen.

Sorta sad I had to spell all of that out and I know there's still ways to attack the semantics of how it's not the same. Let's just put it this way. Full-blown Linux nor OS X, or even Windows XP/Win7 is not optimized for a cellphone's screen. That's why Hildon, Swipe, iOS all exist... for finger or stylus friendly operation.

[marxian]

I had a dream about the n9. I'm not proud but I feel a little satisfied.

Any chance the release date appeared in this dream? :)

[afaq]

Any chance the release date appeared in this dream? :)

yes. Imminent!

[onethreealpha]

AFAIK google is a "webcomnpany" not a HW company. Even if they try to be "cool" by buuying halfbroken Motorola.

Google bought Motorola for the patents. plain and simple. it has nothing to do with being "cool"
Owning the patents provides protection for their "customers" (read: hw vendors) which means hw vendors get to keep shipping android products wihtout fear of being sued.
shipping android products helps the mother ship make it's fortunes through google ads and the like.

the trends that show web content being increasingly accessed by mobile devices is the reason why the likes of google are branching out (and HP for that matter, are moving away from the desktop environment)

[danramos]

the trends that show web content being increasingly accessed by mobile devices is the reason why the likes of google are branching out (and HP for that matter, are moving away from the desktop environment)

I can still remember a time when, and it's still pretty recently, if you went to a website, you HAD to be using Internet Explorer with ActiveX. If you complained to your HR department that you can't see the PeopleSoft web page, they would look at you as if you had three heads and say, 'How can you see web pages without Internet Explorer??'

Heh.. little did they know that actual, honest-to-goodness, cross-platform web standards WOULD be important. Very important. :)

[onethreealpha]

I can still remember a time when.....they would look at you...... and say, 'How can you see web pages without Internet Explorer??'

Mate, I don't need to remember. I still live it today!!