N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!

[hotnikkelz]

Mate, I don't need to remember. I still live it today!!

wait what? those still exist? whoa. Send me some links mon, i wanna see 'em.

[abill_uk]

For what it is worth and i aint believing ths time, i have been told Asia release date as in, in the shops is the 3rd October but once again i aint holding my breath.

Get rid of Elop and they would be able to release it NOW not later, its HIM thats doing this because he wants WP to get some light before the best thing Nokia ever produced gets released.... badbadbad.

[gerbick]

Get rid of Elop and they would be able to release it NOW not later, its HIM thats doing this because he wants WP to get some light before the best thing Nokia ever produced gets released...

I'm in need of more proof than this.

[abill_uk]

I'm in need of more proof than this.

Watch what happens between now and the day it is actually released and you will have your proof.
23rd sept looks like it wlll not be the date for final release to the outlets so we got no choice but to watch what happens.

Remember i am not Nokia and can only go by what they tell me, if they advise me wrong like the last time for instance then i can do nothing.

I just report what i am told on here.

[ericsson]

Watch what happens between now and the day it is actually released and you will have your proof.
23rd sept looks like it wlll not be the date for final release to the outlets so we got no choice but to watch what happens.

Remember i am not Nokia and can only go by what they tell me, if they advise me wrong like the last time for instance then i can do nothing.

I just report what i am told on here.

Nonsense. In the Elop China video and the other Nokia guy Malay video (both linket in this thread somewhere) it is all rather clear. Malay will get the N9 first, then it will be a staggered release around the world. WP will be released in different markets. You do unerstand what "different markets" means? WP will be sold in very small batches to start with, it is insignificant in the total. If the N9 is delayed due to tactical reasons, it is because Nokia do not want to sit in with millions of N8s. The 801 is also coming just after new year, and it will probably be a better phone than the N9 all considering.

Don't over estimate Elops trust in WP. WP phones will be released in UK France and Germany and Nl. If it fails there, it will be gone and replaced with Harmattan/Symbian. The chanses of failing though are close to zero by now, and only complete idiots cannot see that.

But things has changed during the last year and months. Apple has stagnated and will become a no issue within a year. Samsung looks invincible right now with their Galaxys, and SE is also on the roll with a damned good series of xperias and is gaining popularity each day (even though they have lost almost all their dumb phone sales). Gogorola will eventually take the entire android market, but not until a couple of years. Bada will eventually be on Galaxy type devices (but with a Linux core) and so on.

[abill_uk]

Nonsense. In the Elop China video and the other Nokia guy Malay video (both linket in this thread somewhere) it is all rather clear. Malay will get the N9 first, then it will be a staggered release around the world. WP will be released in different markets. You do unerstand what "different markets" means? WP will be sold in very small batches to start with, it is insignificant in the total. If the N9 is delayed due to tactical reasons, it is because Nokia do not want to sit in with millions of N8s. The 801 is also coming just after new year, and it will probably be a better phone than the N9 all considering.

Don't over estimate Elops trust in WP. WP phones will be released in UK France and Germany and Nl. If it fails there, it will be gone and replaced with Harmattan/Symbian. The chanses of failing though are close to zero by now, and only complete idiots cannot see that.

But things has changed during the last year and months. Apple has stagnated and will become a no issue within a year. Samsung looks invincible right now with their Galaxys, and SE is also on the roll with a damned good series of xperias and is gaining popularity each day (even though they have lost almost all their dumb phone sales). Gogorola will eventually take the entire android market, but not until a couple of years. Bada will eventually be on Galaxy type devices (but with a Linux core) and so on.

And where is Malay?

[babraq]

I'ma kill those finnish that canadian faggots!


There, fixed that for you.

[abill_uk]

I don't think it's only his decision. They could release N950 last year, when there was no Elop. But they failed.

The reason it was released late is because they had no os for it as they had already ceased Maemo and Meego still is way way behind.

Last year? was not ready, hardware was prototype only.

[SR90]

Nokia N9 Sales package ....

http://www.flickr.com/photos/miss_riss/6152454478/in/photostream/lightbox/

[Lindegaard]

So... it's ok when it's Ubuntu on the N900, but it's not okay if it's OS X (ish) on the iPhone?

I've never used ubuntu on the N900 - however the N900 has a keyboard which makes quite a difference. I'm just saying that the OS X isn't build for such a small screen.

Imma let you play with OSX on an iphone, but meego has the best OS of all time. Of all time!

[ste-phan]

Nokia N9 Sales package ....

http://www.flickr.com/photos/miss_riss/6152454478/in/photostream/lightbox/

This gives met the depressive feeling that the same person that has decided that a grid of colourful icons on a square looking phone is the way to present a high end portable device anno 2011 is the one that lacked the set of balls needed to ignore intel MeeGo , board and steam full force with Harmatan + QT towards end of 2010 release of N950.

[Bernard]

This gives met the depressive feeling that the same person that has decided that a grid of colourful icons on a square looking phone is the way to present a high end portable device anno 2011 is the one that lacked the set of balls needed to ignore intel MeeGo , board and steam full force with Harmatan + QT towards end of 2010 release of N950.

The packaging is very similar to iPhone and Palm Pre. Not very special in my opinion.

I really don't believe harmattan or Qt were ready or even could have been ready back then. if you look at the state of the SDK at that time, a lot of things were not working correctly, not integrated in the SDK yet, or just not finished. (No QML, no QtQuick, no OpenGL support for Symbian etc. etc. ).
If the tools needed to make applications aren't finished, how can you expect the applications for the platform or the platform in general to be ready?

I also believe that originally the harmattan for the N950 device intended for 2010 was planned to be something very different from what we see now. In the maemo summit 2009 nobody mentioned stuff like QML, and some design images for maemo 6 appeared much more Qt-rewrite-of-maemo5 style OS.

[Cassio]

... in the meanwhile Nokia conversations is hitting new lows (http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/09/16/how-to-get-pregnant-with-your-nokia-smartphone/)...

:D

[mikecomputing]

Google bought Motorola for the patents. plain and simple. it has nothing to do with being "cool"
Owning the patents provides protection for their "customers" (read: hw vendors) which means hw vendors get to keep shipping android products wihtout fear of being sued.
shipping android products helps the mother ship make it's fortunes through google ads and the like.

the trends that show web content being increasingly accessed by mobile devices is the reason why the likes of google are branching out (and HP for that matter, are moving away from the desktop environment)

and the thing is those patents seems to be pointtless anyway cause Motorola has alreay sold the best patents. But I guess this is not what android people want to hear...

If I remember right there is a link about this already in this forum...

[marxian]

This gives met the depressive feeling that the same person that has decided that a grid of colourful icons on a square looking phone is the way to present a high end portable device anno 2011 is the one that lacked the set of balls needed to ignore intel MeeGo , board and steam full force with Harmatan + QT towards end of 2010 release of N950.

Someone at Nokia must think that simply copying what Apple did four years ago will be a successful strategy. :rolleyes:

[quipper8]

... in the meanwhile Nokia conversations is hitting new lows (http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/09/16/how-to-get-pregnant-with-your-nokia-smartphone/)...

:D

if you have ever been with a woman that wants to get pregnant, you would realize that she would be avidly into all of these apps. Maybe they are trying to steal a few female users from iphones. I don't see it as low at all, some people have a hard time getting pregnant and become almost crazed in the endeavor. Actually, it is a little refreshment in such a male dominated placetech blog, and specifically nokia tech blogs)

[Bernard]

Someone at Nokia must think that simply copying what Apple did four years ago will be a successful strategy. :rolleyes:

The most revolutionary thing Apple did four years ago is introduce a touch interface for the phone that in many aspects works better than physical keyboards.
Sales figures of all kinds of smartphones since, shows a trend that a good touch interface is essential for a successful product.
So yes, "copying" that choice is a good idea.

The other revolutionary thing that Apple did was three years ago: The introduction of an application store that worked so easily that people actually use it.
For a lot of people an application store is what defines a smartphone nowadays: being able to easily add functionality.
So yes, if you want to be successful in the smartphone market, you need an applications store and "copy Apple".

The fact that Nokia now uses a similar packaging is totally unimportant, and probably mostly a cost saving method.
The icon view for applications is a lot older than iPhone, so not really "a copy of Apple", but you are correct that Apple uses it to define the iPhone interface in imagery, since it uses it as the "home screen".

[delmar]

If this is true, then this device has a lot of what we had expected from N9 (but of course with Maemo MeeGo instead of Windows OS).

http://forum.dailymobile.se/index.php?topic=52961.0

[marxian]

The way that Nokia is presenting this device, along with the recent comments from Marko Ahtisaari, make it pretty clear that the N9 is being presented as an 'iPhone killer' (that is, when Nokia are bothering to present it to the public at all). I will tell you right now that the N9 has no chance against the iPhone, not because I don't believe it to be a better device, but because Nokia will not be able to persuade Joe Public that it's a better device.

Nokia: "The N9 has a cool and easy to use touch UI."

Joe Public: "So does my iPhone."

Nokia: "But the N9 has an easy to use application store."

Joe Public: "So does my iPhone, and it has more content. Besides, my previous experiences with the Ovi Store suggest that it sucks when compared to the App Store. Why should I expect this to be any different?"

[Bernard]

If this is true, then this device has a lot of what we had expected from N9 (but of course with Maemo MeeGo instead of Windows OS).

http://forum.dailymobile.se/index.php?topic=52961.0

Doesn't look very genuine to me. Also, does Windows Phone even support expandable memory through microSD?
I thought they killed that feature along with USB mass storage mode (talking about copy-ing Apple :) )

[BigBadGuber!]

The way that Nokia is presenting this device, along with the recent comments from Marko Ahtisaari, make it pretty clear that the N9 is being presented as an 'iPhone killer' (that is, when Nokia are bothering to present it to the public at all). I will tell you right now that the N9 has no chance against the iPhone, not because I don't believe it to be a better device, but because Nokia will not be able to persuade Joe Public that it's a better device.

Nokia: "The N9 has a cool and easy to use touch UI."

Joe Public: "So does my iPhone."

Nokia: "But the N9 has an easy to use application store."

Joe Public: "So does my iPhone, and it has more content. Besides, my previous experiences with the Ovi Store suggest that it sucks when compared to the App Store. Why should I expect this to be any different?"

So true. N9 is not revolutionary. Perhaps somewhat evolutionary, but will not compete with anything out there. Not revolutionary enough. If it had a batter that lasts 5 days, may be it would have had a better chance

[Zoxir]

So true. N9 is not revolutionary. Perhaps somewhat evolutionary, but will not compete with anything out there. Not revolutionary enough. If it had a batter that lasts 5 days, may be it would have had a better chance

It doesn't matter how revolutionary it is but how you market it. I mean most people consider a device with no bluetooth, no videocall, no multitasking, that needs iTunes for everything as a revolution in the smartphone history or even as the first smartphone.

[Bernard]

The way that Nokia is presenting this device, along with the recent comments from Marko Ahtisaari, make it pretty clear that the N9 is being presented as an 'iPhone killer' (that is, when Nokia are bothering to present it to the public at all). I will tell you right now that the N9 has no chance against the iPhone, not because I don't believe it to be a better device, but because Nokia will not be able to persuade Joe Public that it's a better device.

Nokia: "The N9 has a cool and easy to use touch UI."

Joe Public: "So does my iPhone."

Nokia: "But the N9 has an easy to use application store."

Joe Public: "So does my iPhone, and it has more content. Besides, my previous experiences with the Ovi Store suggest that it sucks when compared to the App Store. Why should I expect this to be any different?"

I completely agree with you. I think the only way Nokia can persuade the mass-market to try and get an N9 instead of an iPhone is to make it financially attractive (= low-price).

But I don't think Nokia is aiming for that anymore with MeeGo/N9.
They want to target mobile phone enthusiasts that are willing to experiment and try something new. This group is a lot smaller, but is willing to buy high-priced phones. But you will need to persuade them that the N9 is at least as good as other high-end phones in the stuff they already do on their phones. (And "just as good" doesn't sound as sexy as "is the very best")
I think that is what Nokia is trying to accomplish with the "iPhone killer presentation"

[IcyMoustache]

i do agree with regards to the apps, n9<<<<iphone

but if i look around, 50% of most smartphone users DONT require ANY app outside facebook, whatsapp, and email..... yes, I am speaking of women... N9 has enough eye candy and enough basics to impress them....

[jalyst]

... in the meanwhile Nokia conversations is hitting new lows (http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/09/16/how-to-get-pregnant-with-your-nokia-smartphone/)...

:D

OMFG... I absolutely hate that site now... :rolleyes:
The folk pooping out it's content, WTF's wrong with them, are they on smack!?
I mean have something like this once in a while, but they do this kind of "airy fairy" stuff constantly.

[ste-phan]

In the maemo summit 2009 nobody mentioned stuff like QML, and some design images for maemo 6 appeared much more Qt-rewrite-of-maemo5 style OS.

Hence the why not release the N950 end of 2010.

From that summit on there was plenty of time for a nice overhaul of Maemo 5.

An enhanced Maemo 5 meets lovely hardware upgrade with godgiven iPhone like touch screen and especially 1GB of RAM to unleech all the multasking sweetness + of course upgrade path to next iteration of the Maemo Harmattan OS later.

They were really on top of it in 2010 with such a beautiful home made OS.

But no... they were so busy forging world domination plans with intel, then later MS.

So called strategic partnerships with giant inert companies that need a towing vehicle to catch the next mobile ecowave and will dump their mobile project division in a heartbeat, HP style whenever the results don't come quick enough or Gartner give a doubtful report.

Ok nice iPhone from Nokia package we have there. Where to get it?

iPhone is loosing its cool factor quickly over here now that the older generations are running around with it. Yet Nokia is postponing N9 till iPhone5's paper specs make it irrational to choose for the N9.

[danramos]

I completely agree with you. I think the only way Nokia can persuade the mass-market to try and get an N9 instead of an iPhone is to make it financially attractive (= low-price).

But I don't think Nokia is aiming for that anymore with MeeGo/N9.
They want to target mobile phone enthusiasts that are willing to experiment and try something new. This group is a lot smaller, but is willing to buy high-priced phones. But you will need to persuade them that the N9 is at least as good as other high-end phones in the stuff they already do on their phones. (And "just as good" doesn't sound as sexy as "is the very best")
I think that is what Nokia is trying to accomplish with the "iPhone killer presentation"

Keep in mind that THIS is also what the N9 has to contend with:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xo3hFEWScA

[Bernard]

So true. N9 is not revolutionary. Perhaps somewhat evolutionary, but will not compete with anything out there. Not revolutionary enough. If it had a batter that lasts 5 days, may be it would have had a better chance

There are very few devices that introduced "revolutionary" new things. Also it is very difficult to call something "revolutionary" if it hasn't revolutionized anything yet. You may see new and original features, that you think might be revolutionary. But I prefer to think of the first device/software that truly brings it to a mass market as the "revolutionary" one. By that definition I think the first iPhone was because of the touch interface, and I also think the Nokia N95 was because of the GPS integration and HSDPA speeds. Also I consider the Apple app store, Google Androids cloud integration and the Nokia free voice navigation as truly revolutionary.


The multitasking, swipe features, stand-by use of the amoled screen and NFC makes the N9 very unique in my opinion.

Maybe not very original, since the multitasking is very Maemo 5 like, the swipe gestures are a bit WebOS like, and the amoled screen use and NFC are very Symbian like, but the N9 is the first with this combination. :)

[eMiL]

So true. N9 is not revolutionary. Perhaps somewhat evolutionary, but will not compete with anything out there. Not revolutionary enough. If it had a batter that lasts 5 days, may be it would have had a better chance

Unfortunately YOUR battery never seems to run out of juice!

[danramos]

There are very few devices that introduced "revolutionary" new things. Also it is very difficult to call something "revolutionary" if it hasn't revolutionized anything yet. You may see new and original features, that you think might be revolutionary. But I prefer to think of the first device/software that truly brings it to a mass market as the "revolutionary" one. By that definition I think the first iPhone was because of the touch interface, and I also think the Nokia N95 was because of the GPS integration and HSDPA speeds. Also I consider the Apple app store, Google Androids cloud integration and the Nokia free voice navigation as truly revolutionary.


The multitasking, swipe features, stand-by use of the amoled screen and NFC makes the N9 very unique in my opinion.

Maybe not very original, since the multitasking is very Maemo 5 like, the swipe gestures are a bit WebOS like, and the amoled screen use and NFC are very Symbian like, but the N9 is the first with this combination. :)

Actually, Apple's iPhone had already had GPS in it months before the N95 was released at the end of the year, and LG was already doing HSDPA the year before both of those. Again, nothing revolutionary from Nokia on either of those. Free voice navigation had already been there a LONG time before Nokia had it--famously Google Navigation already had it before Nokia did and was part of what forced Nokia's hand to make their free, eventually.

What Nokia DID do that was oddly ahead-of-the-curve was put out the new form factor of Internet Tablets running Linux. But, they didn't leverage that very well and now everybody else has a bigger and better tablet, these days.

[don_falcone]

... in the meanwhile Nokia conversations is hitting new lows (http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/09/16/how-to-get-pregnant-with-your-nokia-smartphone/)...

:D

http://iamkio.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/demotivational-meanwhile-in-sweden.jpg

[marxian]

Keep in mind that THIS is also what the N9 has to contend with:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xo3hFEWScA

But the N9 does at least have bigger GeeBees. :) It would be nice if they allowed users to increase them via a MicroSD card slot.

[delmar]

Doesn't look very genuine to me. Also, does Windows Phone even support expandable memory through microSD?
I thought they killed that feature along with USB mass storage mode (talking about copy-ing Apple :) )

That's right, but such things like 12mpx camera, dual-core etc. are what the masses want hear and It's irrelevant if this power is really needet or the pictures are better than with a 8mpx camera or not. Like @marxian said, it's not enaugh to say the device/the features are good like iPhone.

This was the reason i posted this fantomatic Nokia 900 (WP).

[Bernard]

Hence the why not release the N950 end of 2010.

From that summit on there was plenty of time for a nice overhaul of Maemo 5.

An enhanced Maemo 5 meets lovely hardware upgrade with godgiven iPhone like touch screen and especially 1GB of RAM to unleech all the multasking sweetness + of course upgrade path to next iteration of the Maemo Harmattan OS later.

They were really on top of it in 2010 with such a beautiful home made OS.

But no... they were so busy forging world domination plans with intel, then later MS.


I think harmattan was destined to be delayed long before the MeeGo announcement. Even on the 2009 summit they announced that applications in harmattan would be a complete rewrite in Qt. Whoever decided that must have known that would probably not be possible in 12 month.

An enhanced N900 with maemo 5 would have had its own problems, requiring alterations in Maemo 5. There are some places where you need a stylus in maemo 5, making capacitive screens difficult, and some applications are rather slow/lacking features (like the application manager and the ovi maps software.)

I would have bought a N950 with maemo 5 in 2010, but I also bought the older Maemo device (770, N800), when they came out. I doubt a lot of people would have bought such a device.

Nokia just wanted to do too much by itself when it came to software development. A mobile linux distribution/mobile OS, an applications framework, an applications development kit, mobile applications, ovi cloud services, user interface design.
They were out of their league, and just couldn't manage the software development well enough in order to finish in time.

I think they did realize the problems, but attempts to solve the problems were taken too late, making it a lot harder or were taken hastily.
Trolltech was bought just three years ago, and the meego announcement didn't seem very well planned/concrete for example.

[danramos]

Nokia just wanted to do too much by itself when it came to software development. A mobile linux distribution/mobile OS, an applications framework, an applications development kit, mobile applications, ovi cloud services, user interface design.
They were out of their league, and just couldn't manage the software development well enough in order to finish in time.

I think they did realize the problems, but attempts to solve the problems were taken too late, making it a lot harder or were taken hastily.
Trolltech was bought just three years ago, and the meego announcement didn't seem very well planned/concrete for example.

Now, if only they had more open-source friendly components, or had open-sourced more of their packaged software and OS that they had put so much time and resources into make sure they were unnecessarily closed.. they wouldn't have do so much of the development themselves. :P Smart guys.

[delmar]

But the N9 does at least have bigger GeeBees. :) It would be nice if they allowed users to increase them via a MicroSD card slot.

In my case I have no option, because there are 14 GB of music in my N900, so only the N9 64 GB is interesting. And there are also other reasons to prefair a MicroSD.

[jalyst]

I think harmattan was destined to be delayed long before the MeeGo announcement. Even on the 2009 summit they announced that applications in harmattan would be a complete rewrite in Qt. Whoever decided that must have known that would probably not be possible in 12 month. <SNIP>


^This. It pains me to constantly hear folk parroting that the Intel tie-up is what slowed everything dramatically.
They weren't even close to boarding that ship yet, & setting-it-up was nowhere near as big a speed-bump as some try to suggest it was.

[Bernard]

Actually, Apple's iPhone had already had GPS in it months before the N95 was released at the end of the year, and LG was already doing HSDPA the year before both of those. Again, nothing revolutionary from Nokia on either of those. Free voice navigation had already been there a LONG time before Nokia had it--famously Google Navigation already had it before Nokia did and was part of what forced Nokia's hand to make their free, eventually.


The N95 was released in march 2007 a few months before the original iphone, and the original iPhone did not have GPS. The iPhone 3G added GPS, but that was juli 2008.
So yes, I'm pretty sure it was the first mass-market mobile phone with GPS.
I don't know enough about the LG product line, maybe you are correct, don't know.
Google navigation was indeed a few months earlier, but only in the US. Nokia was world wide.

edit:
Google maps navigation was released in november 2009 for the Motorola droid update. Two months later Nokia made the voice navition part of Ovi maps free for ALL existing Symbian devices with with GPS. Navigation was available even before that time, but you needed to pay for the voice direction.
So yes, also very revolutionary!

[buchanmilne]

Actually, Apple's iPhone had already had GPS in it months before the N95 was released at the end of the year,


On March 8, 2007 Nokia was shipping N95 in key European, Asian and Middle Eastern markets.[4] It was on sale in many countries on the week of March 11.

On April 7, 2007, the N95 went on sale in the United States through Nokia's Flagship stores in New York and Chicago and through Nokia's nseries.com website. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N95)


The first iPhone was unveiled by former Apple CEO Steve Jobs on January 9, 2007,[1] and released on June 29, 2007. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone)

"A software update in January 2008[41] allowed the first-generation iPhone to use cell tower and Wi-Fi network locations trilateration,[42] despite lacking GPS hardware."

"On July 11, 2008, Apple released the iPhone 3G"

"The iPhone 3G added 3G cellular network capabilities and A-GPS location."


and LG was already doing HSDPA the year before both of those.


On dumbphones, where about the only feature that differentiated the phone from a data card was the ability to download videos on the phone bought from the operator's multimedia service, if they had one.


Again, nothing revolutionary from Nokia on either of those. Free voice navigation had already been there a LONG time before Nokia had it--famously Google Navigation already had it before Nokia did and was part of what forced Nokia's hand to make their free, eventually.


In many (I guess probably non-US) countries, Nokia phones had time-limited (typically 1 to 2 years) voice guided navigation for the country they were sold in, before iPhone had GPS or Android phones were launched.

[Guffaw]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/16/sk_telecom_nfc_sim/ :rolleyes:

[jalyst]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/16/sk_telecom_nfc_sim/ :rolleyes:

I thought the "proper" way these things are suposed to wk, is that they interface w/NFC already built into the ph.
So if the built-in NFC doesn't have a secure-element/SWP, the sim brings that to the party. :confused:

[jalyst]

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n9_preorders_through_the_roof_64gb_batch_all _reserved_-news-3143.php

This concerns me. How could they have anticipated demand that poorly?
Shenanigans by senior management in aid of total failure, or just sheer incompetence?
Or perhaps (as some have said) marketing hype, or piss-poor journalism?

I'm like a nervous gnat whenever I read anything about meego/n9 nowadays.
I develop a nervous twitch whenever I hear those words uttered! :)

[danramos]

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n9_preorders_through_the_roof_64gb_batch_all _reserved_-news-3143.php

this concerns me. How could they have anticipated demand (roughly) that poorly?
More shenanigans by senior management in aid of total & complete failure?

No N9 FOR YOU!

[Bernard]

What Nokia DID do that was oddly ahead-of-the-curve was put out the new form factor of Internet Tablets running Linux. But, they didn't leverage that very well and now everybody else has a bigger and better tablet, these days.

I bought the 770 when it was just released (beginning 2006 if i'm not mistaken), and it was my first real introduction to linux!
I don't think Nokia had much of a plan about what it was supposed to be. I think that for Nokia "internet tablet" mostly just meant "a mobile webbrowser". That seemed the only part that functioned really well. And it was the reason I bought the device. It was the only mobile computer/PDA/Mobile with a high density screen that was affordable (360 euros at the time).
I'm very glad I bought it. Back then mostly because I could browse the web anywhere, and currently because I learned so much about linux because of it.

The current pad/tablets are bigger, but are also much more than just a web browser. I don't think Nokia ever envisioned the Internet tablets to be used in a way that we currently use tablets/pads.
So I don't think that they are the same form factor.
I think the internet tablets are more like PDA formfactor. But because the PDA is used so differently from an iPad/tablet, nobody would call the iPad a resurrection of the PDA.

[mece]

... in the meanwhile Nokia conversations is hitting new lows (http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/09/16/how-to-get-pregnant-with-your-nokia-smartphone/)...

:D

But but... the post didn't actually tell me how to get pregnant! *disappointed*

[danramos]

I bought the 770 when it was just released (beginning 2006 if i'm not mistaken), and it was my first real introduction to linux!
I don't think Nokia had much of a plan about what it was supposed to be. I think that for Nokia "internet tablet" mostly just meant "a mobile webbrowser". That seemed the only part that functioned really well. And it was the reason I bought the device. It was the only mobile computer/PDA/Mobile with a high density screen that was affordable (360 euros at the time).
I'm very glad I bought it. Back then mostly because I could browse the web anywhere, and currently because I learned so much about linux because of it.

The current pad/tablets are bigger, but are also much more than just a web browser. I don't think Nokia ever envisioned the Internet tablets to be used in a way that we currently use tablets/pads.
So I don't think that they are the same form factor.
I think the internet tablets are more like PDA formfactor. But because the PDA is used so differently from an iPad/tablet, nobody would call the iPad a resurrection of the PDA.

I disagree. I believe they knew fully well that it could do much more. Otherwise, it wouldn't have continued to use open-source style deb's with repositories and applications, it wouldn't have presented an xterm command line--PDA's never had that, and it wouldn't have been puffered up by constantly remind you about how future-proof it is because it's based on open-source.. unlike PDA's. They truly WERE intending to make a portable computing platform and even called them TABLETS. They may LOOK like PDA form factors, but they clearly were aiming for more. My disappointment is with what using the term TABLET implied and how they missed the boat on the opportunities despite MANY people on here hinting as much--maybe not so much hinting as CLAMORING. :P

[danramos]

But but... the post didn't actually tell me how to get pregnant! *disappointed*

Good thing Nokia is going Microsoft. Microsoft's been telling customers, vendors and everyone else to go **** themselves for YEARS! :) Maybe now MS can help Nokia with telling people how to get pregnant.

[hotnikkelz]

LMAO, good one. We're blaming the wrong people blame OPK and co. for his substandard management that led Nokia to this dilemna in the first place.
Nokia is the brand that makes people wait from almost half a year to a year for a product, and the product turns out to suck like no other. The launch of Ovi store was hilarious to say the least.

[Chuck Norris]

Don't blame OPK and co. Blame the people and customers that waits half a year to a year for a product. Its a free choice. you can walk away any time.

don't blame others for your own stupidity :)

[mikecomputing]

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n9_preorders_through_the_roof_64gb_batch_all _reserved_-news-3143.php

This concerns me. How could they have anticipated demand that poorly?
Shenanigans by senior management in aid of total failure, or just sheer incompetence?
Or perhaps (as some have said) marketing hype, or piss-poor journalism?

I'm like a nervous gnat whenever I read anything about meego/n9 nowadays.
I develop a nervous twitch whenever I hear those words uttered! :)

Maybe Elop only allow them to sell very few 64Gb devices. OR maybe 16Gb doesnt sell well and they have a alot of them imn the pipeline :-/

[gerbick]

Sorta makes sense that the 64gb version would be more presold than the 16gb version since it really doesn't come at a premium, cost-wise and there's no immediate way to extend the N9's memory. I'd go up to the 64gb if I were a heavy user myself.

[hotnikkelz]

true, that's why you're mother effin chuck norris

[jalyst]

Well... We still have silence from Nokia about vid-chat via the front-facing camera.
But at least these guys are doing something about it...
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/09/16/peregrine-1-1-the-flight-includes-video-call-for-n9-and-meego-tablet/
He even mentions having GTalk (xmpp/jingle) hopefully ready by 15th Oct, & maybe even Skype.

They "seem" to be moving fast with this app....
Just 48-hours ago they were at 1.0 RC1, I hadn't even had time to post the link yet.
But I guess arbitrary version numbers don't necessarily mean anything. :)

[Sniper_swe]

I have put down a request for this http://www.boxwave.com/iphone-4-cases-and-covers/keyboard-buddy-iphone-4-case/bwpdd/pkz-twvc/ for the n9;)

The more requests the better :)

UPDATE

Here is the link for requesting! http://www.boxwave.com/community/request/request_model.cfm

[jalyst]

Woah, that's teh awesome, looks like it's an okay keyb too.
Putting a request in NOW!
I won't always use it, but sometime it'd be sweet to have!

*UPDATE*

Hi There,

Writing to request that boxwave please investigate the feasibility of making a Keyboard Buddy case for the Nokia N9.
It's out in a few weeks, & would be the perfect candidate for this kind of peripheral, given the N9's ancestor was the N900.
A very popular device, particularly for F/OSS hackers, programmers, & enthusiasts, who typically crave a QWERTY.

Thank-you,

It's a long-shot, but worth it! :D
I they dont, I'm hoping sone like Otterbox will, they catered pretty well for the N900.

*UPDATE 2*

Thank you for your email!

We currently do not have the item you are looking for at this time.
However, I would recommend for you to place a product request on our BoxWave website if you have not done so already.
We would appreciate your suggestion since we develop our products based on the number of requests we receive for a particular model.

Once a product request has been created, we will have your request on file, and will email you once the product does become available.
http://www.boxwave.com/community/request/request_model.cfm

Please let me know if you have any other questions or concerns!

Best Regards,

Kathryn
BoxWave Customer Service

[jalyst]

So much for MeeGo targeting these kinds of markets, Android's already muscling in, sigh...
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/16/boeing-hitches-android-to-its-787-dreamliner-ride-powers-in-fli/
I'd love to know the stats of Android's penetration in these more obscure markets, in-vehicle too etc.

[danramos]

So much for MeeGo targeting these kinds of markets, Android's already muscling in, sigh...
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/16/boeing-hitches-android-to-its-787-dreamliner-ride-powers-in-fli/
I'd love to know the stats of Android's penetration in these more obscure markets, in-vehicle too etc.

As I understand it, there's already Android devices in space. Thanks to excellent hardware, excellent developer support and just generally a little of every good reason. Where's NOKIA again?

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/09/nexus-s-space-robots-android/

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/gadgetlab/2011/09/android_in_space.jpg

[quipper8]

I have put down a request for this http://www.boxwave.com/iphone-4-cases-and-covers/keyboard-buddy-iphone-4-case/bwpdd/pkz-twvc/ for the n9;)

The more requests the better :)

i tried this keyboard out. kind of sucked honestly.

easy to press more than one mushy key and no backlight.

[quipper8]

So much for MeeGo targeting these kinds of markets, Android's already muscling in, sigh...
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/16/boeing-hitches-android-to-its-787-dreamliner-ride-powers-in-fli/
I'd love to know the stats of Android's penetration in these more obscure markets, in-vehicle too etc.


well, previous models did run linux...fwiw

[mikecomputing]

Well... We still have silence from Nokia about vid-chat via the front-facing camera.
But at least these guys are doing something about it...
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/09/16/peregrine-1-1-the-flight-includes-video-call-for-n9-and-meego-tablet/
He even mentions having GTalk (xmpp/jingle) hopefully ready by 15th Oct, & maybe even Skype.

They "seem" to be moving fast with this app....
Just 48-hours ago they were at 1.0 RC1, I hadn't even had time to post the link yet.
But I guess arbitrary version numbers don't necessarily mean anything. :)

Peregrine team rocks I hope we get harmattan version backported to n900Meego1.3CE :-) looks way better than the old peregrine UI in MeegoCE

[mikecomputing]

Where's NOKIA again?



...In bed with the other American company.....

[mikecomputing]

I have put down a request for this http://www.boxwave.com/iphone-4-cases-and-covers/keyboard-buddy-iphone-4-case/bwpdd/pkz-twvc/ for the n9;)

The more requests the better :)

Awesome :D

[gerbick]

...In bed with the other American company.....

Who's the first American company?

[danramos]

Who's the first American company?

I'm betting he means 'Google'... it's the only other American company out there, right? ;)

[Chuck Norris]

Google is not a company. It's a sect.

[jalyst]

...In bed with the other American company.....

She certainly does get around doesn't she... :D

[jalyst]

@1min 30sec....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKgVP2lsD4Q
Is from the Nokia regional launch the other day.

Nokia says there's 1000+ quality apps for MeeGo in the Nokia Store

Surely not??? Prolly mostly those lame RSS "apps".
From what I've been able to work-out, it'd have to be roughly 400-odd.

[danramos]

She certainly does get around doesn't she... :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EdAAZ2x5-E ;)

[jo21]

GSMarean reporting n9 its beating preorders records especially black 64gb version

[danramos]

GSMarean reporting n9 its beating preorders records especially black 64gb version

Records... compared to what? Records in what region? Details?

[aironeous]

... in the meanwhile Nokia conversations is hitting new lows (http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/09/16/how-to-get-pregnant-with-your-nokia-smartphone/)...

:D

I request an app that uses the accelerometer to measure my thrust strength and longevity and compares it to the national average of men and filters out lesbians with strapons that will purposely try to skew the results to hurt our egos. When I "finish" it should say, "congratulations sir" in the same voice as Ironman's suit.
Oh and when I get a hot chick's number it should project a hologram that gives me a high five and it should say, "well done sir."

[danramos]

I request an app that uses the accelerometer to measure my thrust strength and longevity and compares it to the national average of men and filters out lesbians with strapons that will purposely try to skew the results to hurt our egos. When I "finish" it should say, "congratulations sir" in the same voice as Ironman's suit.
Oh and when I get a hot chick's number it should project a hologram that gives me a high five and it should say, "well done sir."

http://media.fakeposters.com/results/2009/08/07/qpgieijdm5.jpg

[hotnikkelz]

Records... compared to what? Records in what region? Details?

No details, it was just an observation they made. They say the lines are long that they head into the streets. 64gb version completely booked out. Sounds iphone-esque :)

[scapegoat845]

Keep in mind that THIS is also what the N9 has to contend with:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xo3hFEWScA

That's the greatest. Sad but true. :D

[jalyst]

Records... compared to what? Records in what region? Details?

I linked to it previously...

Nokia (HQ) Store in Finland, so a bit early to get excited, we need a much larger sample.
I was more concerned about the fact that they didn't anticipate demand properly.

NokiaGadget's write-up (slightly diff. to GSMarena's IIRC)
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/09/16/demand-for-n9-has-been-huge-in-finland-64gb-n9-the-most-popular/

[abill_uk]

I linked to it previously...

Nokia (HQ) Store in Finland, so far from reason to get excited.
I was more concerned about the fact that they didn't anticipate demand properly.

NokiaGadget's write-up (slightly diff. to GSMarena's IIRC)
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/09/16/demand-for-n9-has-been-huge-in-finland-64gb-n9-the-most-popular/

I did warn everyone on here that the N9 will be very much in shortage simply because Elop does not want to sell more than he thinks will stop his dream of WP.

Many many people are going to be very dissapointed.

[jalyst]

clarified my prior post.

[Bernard]

I just installed the Harmattan scratchbox SDK, and noticed that it downloads a "meegoapi-beta-rootstrap", also the harmattan support in the Qt SDK is still in beta.

Does that mean that the software on the N9 is also still not final? Shouldn't we first see Nokia release a "final" version of the Nokia development tools before they can actually release the N9?

[mikecomputing]

I linked to it previously...

Nokia (HQ) Store in Finland, so a bit early to get excited, we need a much larger sample.
I was more concerned about the fact that they didn't anticipate demand properly.

NokiaGadget's write-up (slightly diff. to GSMarena's IIRC)
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/09/16/demand-for-n9-has-been-huge-in-finland-64gb-n9-the-most-popular/

this is just ridicilous! not even the n9pilot.se will get those damn phone before oktober and it seems no one in Swedens will get the device delivered before week 44/45 no atleast what all those sellers are saying now :mad:

nokia world is end of october and seems we dont have devices in our hands by then. PERFECT.... for Microsoft!!

I soon give up for this mess. Funny iis there is no alternatives AFAIK. samsung galaxy SII will not come with NFC in sweden and there is no chance I go for Iphone5 or any WP phone.

Thanks for Klas Ström and his random guess about release in 23 sept, I guess he hadnt a clue about actual release.

I guess the official plan was release it after nokia world to make sure they kill Meego version right away when announce SeYFlop at the event.

Nokia bigggest fail ever!

[ysss]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_3cib3fK139M/TMvVUSyIQJI/AAAAAAAAF2I/uXQ1XS1NFHM/s1600/Worlds+Smallest+Violin.jpg

Look! It's playing for you.

[abill_uk]

this is just ridicilous! not even the n9pilot.se will get those damn phone before oktober and it seems no one in Swedens will get the device delivered before week 44/45 no atleast what all those sellers are saying now :mad:

nokia world is end of october and seems we dont have devices in our hands by then. PERFECT.... for Microsoft!!

I soon give up for this mess. Funny iis there is no alternatives AFAIK. samsung galaxy SII will not come with NFC in sweden and there is no chance I go for Iphone5 or any WP phone.

Thanks for Klas Ström and his random guess about release in 23 sept, I guess he hadnt a clue about actual release.

I guess the official plan was release it after nokia world to make sure they kill Meego version right away when announce SeYFlop at the event.

Nokia bigggest fail ever!

Mike your the BIGGEST drama queen on this forum hahahahaha.

NOW you lot might listen to me because what Nokia told me is actually happening right before you all :rolleyes:

[abill_uk]

The bastarddd wants his WP to gain fame before he lets out the N9 so basically you lot all have to wait.

[Bernard]

this is just ridicilous! not even the n9pilot.se will get those damn phone before oktober and it seems no one in Swedens will get the device delivered before week 44/45 no atleast what all those sellers are saying now :mad:

nokia world is end of october and seems we dont have devices in our hands by then. PERFECT.... for Microsoft!!

I soon give up for this mess. Funny iis there is no alternatives AFAIK. samsung galaxy SII will not come with NFC in sweden and there is no chance I go for Iphone5 or any WP phone.

Thanks for Klas Ström and his random guess about release in 23 sept, I guess he hadnt a clue about actual release.

I guess the official plan was release it after nokia world to make sure they kill Meego version right away when announce SeYFlop at the event.

Nokia bigggest fail ever!

Nokia probably has a good reason not to release it yet (production problems, software bugs, missing online infrastructure etc.)
I really don't believe Nokia purposely delays MeeGo because of WP. With the repositioning of MeeGo as a niche device similar to the N900, I don't think MeeGo and WP share many potential customers.

But the longer it is delayed the more difficult it is going to become for Nokia to sell the device. It is rumoured that in oktober the iPhone 5 and possibly a cheaper iPhone 4 will be released and also the Google Nexus Prime with Android Ice Cream Sandwich.
Very interesting times!

A lot of people have good reasons to prefer a device with meego/android/ios/wp/symbian/bada over other operating systems, but without ever having seen a final device running the latest updated version of the OS-es, it seems very premature to dismiss them just yet.

The fact that new devices running WP Mango, MeeGo harmattan, IOS 5, Bada OS 2.0, Android 4.0, Symbian Belle will ALL be released in in the coming few months is great for consumers!
It makes comparing the latest and greatest a bit easier, and waiting a few more weeks probably the best move if you really only want the best device available. But I suspect, that you will be very happy with any of the new devices.

[BigBadGuber!]

Nokia probably has a good reason not to release it yet (production problems, software bugs, missing online infrastructure etc.)
I really don't believe Nokia purposely delays MeeGo because of WP. With the repositioning of MeeGo as a niche device similar to the N900, I don't think MeeGo and WP share many potential customers.

But the longer it is delayed the more difficult it is going to become for Nokia to sell the device. It is rumoured that in oktober the iPhone 5 and possibly a cheaper iPhone 4 will be released and also the Google Nexus Prime with Android Ice Cream Sandwich.
Very interesting times!

A lot of people have good reasons to prefer a device with meego/android/ios/wp/symbian/bada over other operating systems, but without ever having seen a final device running the latest updated version of the OS-es, it seems very premature to dismiss them just yet.

The fact that new devices running WP Mango, MeeGo harmattan, IOS 5, Bada OS 2.0, Android 4.0, Symbian Belle will ALL be released in in the coming few months is great for consumers!
It makes comparing the latest and greatest a bit easier, and waiting a few more weeks probably the best move if you really only want the best device available. But I suspect, that you will be very happy with any of the new devices.

Finally a stroke of reason among conspiratorial minds on this board. N8 was delayed forever due to bug issues, and was still buggy upon release. I bet there are production or quality or simply demand issues that are causing delays. even iphone 5 has been delayed due to engineering issues

[Zoxir]

. even iphone 5 has been delayed due to engineering issues
O RLY I thought it just worked?? :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

[marxian]

Finally a stroke of reason among conspiratorial minds on this board. N8 was delayed forever due to bug issues, and was still buggy upon release. I bet there are production or quality or simply demand issues that are causing delays. even iphone 5 has been delayed due to engineering issues

So, it's a cockup rather than a conspiracy? Business as usual at Nokia. I thought the genius business mind of Eflop was supposed to change all this. :rolleyes:

[Rugoz]

O RLY I thought it just worked??


Indeed, SmallDickedGuber!

[danramos]

The bastarddd wants his WP to gain fame before he lets out the N9 so basically you lot all have to wait.

Heheh.. "you lot" again. ;)

[babraq]

even iphone 5 has been delayed due to engineering issues

How can an unannounced device be delayed? How do you even know that something as an iPhone 5 is going to happen?

[mikecomputing]

pleae change thread title to:

" N9 [Announced]: but it will never be released!" :mad:

[Chuck Norris]

Its not delayed!

[ericsson]

Its not delayed!

Why bother? The truth doesn't matter. The fact that Nokia has never announced a release date doesn't matter. All that matter is that evil eFlop is "delaying" the N9 for two reasons:

1 To show "us" the finger.
2 To get WP phones out first.

[abill_uk]

Heheh.. "you lot" again. ;)

Meaning everyone on this thread who is desperado for this N9.

Personally i learned my lesson from the N900 and the whole farce regarding Maemo... some never learn......so yes, THAT lot.

Elop is not working for Nokia thats for sure.

[abill_uk]

Elop is nothing but a microsoft spy and his only plan is to lose as many customers as he can of Nokia's so he can negotiate a good buy out price for his boss.... he is doing a VERY good job of that so far.

Trouble is these lot just dont get it at all and i really do not understand why they are even thinking about buying the N9.

Elop destroyed my world and hopes for the N900, Meego could not make the grade so now it is ALL down to Maemo.

[0x4e84]

I just asked about N9 availability in a Sunrise shop here in Switzerland (Sunrise is one of the 3 big carriers here).

Even though they could not provide any more precise info about date/time, they confirmed October as the release time.

[ysss]

Elop destroyed my world and hopes for the N900, Meego could not make the grade so now it is ALL down to Maemo.

Bwahahahaha one day you hate microsoft, then nokia, then opesource, then maemo fanboys the next... now elop is destroying your world.

Congrats dude, I believe you've reclaimed your matriarch throneship of the House of Drama.

[jalyst]

Here's some reading to tide you all over ;)
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/guides/2011/09/the-speed-demon-hands-on-with-the-samsung-galaxy-s-ii.ars
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/15/samsung-epic-4g-touch-review/

[abill_uk]

Bwahahahaha one day you hate microsoft, then nokia, then opesource, then maemo fanboys the next... now elop is destroying your world.

Congrats dude, I believe you've reclaimed your matriarch throneship of the House of Drama.

You addressed that post to the wrong person matey...... this WHOLE thread you meant ysss???? pardon the pun

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :p

[mikecomputing]

Why bother? The truth doesn't matter. The fact that Nokia has never announced a release date doesn't matter. All that matter is that evil eFlop is "delaying" the N9 for two reasons:

1 To show "us" the finger.
2 To get WP phones out first.

As always you never see any problems with Nokia!

Nokia Sweden DID say 23 sept FOR SWEDEN! no it seems this was wrong.

And not giving a release plan is also plain stupid. How seriouus is that!?!? And in the history Nokia has failed alot with releases.

Just take bloated symbian, where you is the only person who doesnt see any problem!?

symbian anna with ovistore still not working on C7 several people at Nokia sweden complains and has problem with Anna update on N8.

Nokia is failing even more now cause of Elop and you still is naive and dont see any problems with Nokia!?

maybe you should start work at marketing deparment at Nokia, they also seems to need alot of people...

[jalyst]

I just asked about N9 availability in a Sunrise shop here in Switzerland (Sunrise is one of the 3 big carriers here).

Even though they could not provide any more precise info about date/time, they confirmed October as the release time.

Yep def. seems to be pretty universal now.
Now if only we could get when in October.
Guess it'll vary by a days/wks*, depending which country/region you're in.

*even Mths?
Sigh dear God no, PLEASE!

[Chuck Norris]

I dont see any problem with n9 release. You Will have it.

[jalyst]

Chuck you're so stoic & manly... juskiddin! :p

[Chuck Norris]

You are damn right! Both me and n9 is very well built.
http://thefiresidepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/muscles.jpg

[jo21]

well final date should have been announced by now.

i mean... later developed outsourced belle its done, (or getting released without much test)

n950 felt nice, n9 SHOULD be complete.

[0x4e84]

well final date should have been announced by now.

i mean... later developed outsourced belle its done, (or getting released without much test)

n950 felt nice, n9 SHOULD be complete.

I think we all agree that we would like the N9 to be available by now, but even all of us combined (*) probably do not have enough relevant information and insight as to know when it should be considered ready for the launch...

I'd prefer to have it a bit later than half-baked.


(*): well, that does not include Chuck Norris, of course...

[babraq]

I think we all agree that we would like the N9 to be available by now, but even all of us combined (*) probably do not have enough relevant information and insight as to know when it should be considered ready for the launch...

I'd prefer to have it a bit later than half-baked.


That is true. However, informed customer is happy customer. I would like to know date of public availability. It's too damn hard to wait so long. Announcement took ages to happen and now another endless wait? If Nokia make a statement now that I will be able to buy N9 on 27.10.2011 I would be a happy guy! But if I had to wait until that day without any information, that would be just too cruel... Silence is bad. Really really bad.

[0x4e84]

That is true. However, informed customer is happy customer. I would like to know date of public availability. It's too damn hard to wait so long. Announcement took ages to happen and now another endless wait? If Nokia make a statement now that I will be able to buy N9 on 27.10.2011 I would be a happy guy! But if I had to wait until that day without any information, that would be just too cruel... Silence is bad. Really really bad.

I understand your point. On another hand, I also understand that Nokia would rather wait until they can be sure about a precise date, just a few weeks in the future, then announce it and stick to it.

If they'd announced a precise date 2-3 months in advance and could not stick to it for any reason (the industrial process for those gorgeous polycabonate shells, for example, must be a pretty harsh one to fine-tune and optimize...), I'd guess this would have generated some heat among impatient fans...

Furthermore, the general strategy seems to be incremental availability, by region, rather than a simultaneous worldwide availability. That must make sense from a logistic point of view...

[pedroesteban]

N9 is up for pre-orders in Russia:

http://nokiaru.polldaddy.com/s/buy-n9

23990 RUB / 570 EUR for the 16 Gb version in black, light blue or pink
25990 RUB / 615 EUR for the 64 Gb version in black ony

EDIT:
1. If you think this might be fake due to the polldaddy domain, go to www.nokia.ru and click on the n9 link on the bottom left.
2. They don't give a release date and it's not clear if filling the form will guarantee your pre-order or not.

[pedroesteban]

N9 is also up for pre-order from two retailers in Kazakhstan.

The official Nokia Kazakhstan website (http://kz.nokia.com/home) links to Technohouse and Sulpak:

http://www.technodom.kz/actions/discount/69669/
http://www.sulpak.kz/coming_soons.php?ELEMENT_ID=1427181

Both retailers are taking pre-orders for the 16 Gb version. The pre-order price is 99990 KZT / 490 EUR.

Sulpak has confirmed a release date: September 30.

[babraq]

I understand your point. On another hand, I also understand that Nokia would rather wait until they can be sure about a precise date, just a few weeks in the future, then announce it and stick to it.

If they'd announced a precise date 2-3 months in advance and could not stick to it for any reason (the industrial process for those gorgeous polycabonate shells, for example, must be a pretty harsh one to fine-tune and optimize...), I'd guess this would have generated some heat among impatient fans...

Furthermore, the general strategy seems to be incremental availability, by region, rather than a simultaneous worldwide availability. That must make sense from a logistic point of view...

Nokia is known for not keeping promises (e.g. N8) and Elop wants to shake off that reputation, hence the silence. But that's only my speculation.

Incremental availability from a logistic point of view makes perfect sense. But one thing should be clarified - price. If they have any reason for delay the device, price should be the same no matter what, no? So why not announce that? I know that Nokia Finland did, but why not other countries?

When was last blogpost published dedicated to N9 on Nokia Conversations blog? Nothing new since then? Blogpost about how hard it is to manufacture such phone or if video calling will be there on launch or which apps will be available, would be reaaaally appreciated.

Damn, N9 from June 21st looked finnished! That is almost 3 months now! Did somebody spotted any bugs or unfinished work?

I'm really eager to hold this device in my hand so I am pretty biased. Ah.

[0x4e84]

Nokia is known for not keeping promises (e.g. N8) and Elop wants to shake off that reputation, hence the silence. But that's only my speculation.
I fully agree on your speculation.

Incremental availability from a logistic point of view makes perfect sense. But one thing should be clarified - price. If they have any reason for delay the device, price should be the same no matter what, no? So why not announce that? I know that Nokia Finland did, but why not other countries?
My turn to wildly speculate: to avoid giving competition an edge? Showing their cards too early could let other players time to adjust their own offers...

The wait is probably almost over now. They need to launch it well in time for the holiday (X-Mas) shopping anyway...

[Guffaw]

I just want shipping pics :(

Like this :D

http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=4633&stc=1&d=1257977858

[BigBadGuber!]

Nokia software and hardware nightmares continue, why would N9 be different?

http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Eseries-and-Communicators/E6-A-History-Of-Horrors/td-p/1122467

http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Eseries-and-Communicators/Problems-after-Symbian-Anna-update-on-Nokia-E7/td-p/1131427

http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Eseries-and-Communicators/Nokia-E7-Anna-update-destroyed-my-Phone/td-p/1143401

http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Eseries-and-Communicators/E7-00-Mail-for-Exchange-sync-freezes-after-a-few-days-use/td-p/943983

http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Eseries-and-Communicators/E5-Email-set-up-problems/td-p/755915

Why will N9 be different?????

[danramos]

Meaning everyone on this thread who is desperado for this N9.

Personally i learned my lesson from the N900 and the whole farce regarding Maemo... some never learn......so yes, THAT lot.

Elop is not working for Nokia thats for sure.

I was picking on your choice of the phrase "you lot" again. :)

Nokia software and hardware nightmares continue, why would N9 be different?

http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Eseries-and-Communicators/E6-A-History-Of-Horrors/td-p/1122467

http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Eseries-and-Communicators/Problems-after-Symbian-Anna-update-on-Nokia-E7/td-p/1131427

http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Eseries-and-Communicators/Nokia-E7-Anna-update-destroyed-my-Phone/td-p/1143401

http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Eseries-and-Communicators/E7-00-Mail-for-Exchange-sync-freezes-after-a-few-days-use/td-p/943983

http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Eseries-and-Communicators/E5-Email-set-up-problems/td-p/755915

Why will N9 be different?????

...but.. but... everybody keeps saying it's the most AWESOMEST, PERFECTEST phone EVAR... and that it will be OUT ANY DAY NOW, FOR REALS!

[scapegoat845]

In my Borat voice.... "It's nice ! I like you !"

http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/09/18/n9-for-e490-from-kazakhstan-in-stores-september-30/

[danramos]

In my Borat voice.... "It's nice ! I like you !"

http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/09/18/n9-for-e490-from-kazakhstan-in-stores-september-30/

http://scootercommunity.com.au/forums/storage/5/1410/BoratVeryNice1.jpg

[abill_uk]

I was picking on your choice of the phrase "you lot" again. :)



...but.. but... everybody keeps saying it's the most AWESOMEST, PERFECTEST phone EVAR... and that it will be OUT ANY DAY NOW, FOR REALS!

You reckon it will be? because if the N900 is anything to go by ....AND they aready stated NO SUPPORT FORTHCOMING this is the very last Meego device, what with that and the fact Meego has been shovelled into the bin by elELOP, what can everyone really expect????.

Them lot all need an examination !!!!!.

Can someone please tell me what is so good about this N9 when we got devices coming out with quad snapdragon cpu's early next year and will have probably 2GB ram and sd card slot etc etc etc.... makes the N9 a bit sluggish and outdated dont it !!.

Never mind eh you can always rely on this community and put Maemo on it that will work SUPERBLY ;).

The N9 will start to ship 3rd October and i think this time Nokia told me the truth.

GOOD LUCK YOU LOT.

[hotnikkelz]

Swipe has hypnotized everyone :D

[scapegoat845]

http://scootercommunity.com.au/forums/storage/5/1410/BoratVeryNice1.jpg

Too much :mad:

[abill_uk]

Too much :mad:


For a piece of junk....DEFINITELY.

[jalyst]

Furthermore, the general strategy seems to be incremental availability, by region, rather than a simultaneous worldwide availability.
That must make sense from a logistic point of view...

No....
That's the plan for the 1st WP ph, because that's the only way they can get it out somewhere, early enough.

This shouldn't be, & better not be, the case for N9...
Everything I've read suggests it'll be simultaneous, w/some slight staggering of course, but nothing like the 1st WP phone.
If it is I'm gone, they've had more than enough time.

[jalyst]

Nokia software and hardware nightmares continue, why would N9 be different?

http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Eseries-and-Communicators/E6-A-History-Of-Horrors/td-p/1122467

http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Eseries-and-Communicators/Problems-after-Symbian-Anna-update-on-Nokia-E7/td-p/1131427

http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Eseries-and-Communicators/Nokia-E7-Anna-update-destroyed-my-Phone/td-p/1143401

http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Eseries-and-Communicators/E7-00-Mail-for-Exchange-sync-freezes-after-a-few-days-use/td-p/943983

http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Eseries-and-Communicators/E5-Email-set-up-problems/td-p/755915

Why will N9 be different?????

Pffft....
Dig through any Apple forum & you'll find a cacophony of issues/complaints.
Plus Apple only has one form-factor to worry about, Nokia juggles several.
What's your point...

Oh that's right I forgot, this is you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xo3hFEWScA

Get a life iBoy.

[jalyst]

<SNIP>....AND they aready stated NO SUPPORT FORTHCOMING <SNIP>

Wot?
Please, please, dear god please... stop talking.

[ericsson]

As always you never see any problems with Nokia!

Nokia Sweden DID say 23 sept FOR SWEDEN! no it seems this was wrong.

And not giving a release plan is also plain stupid. How seriouus is that!?!? And in the history Nokia has failed alot with releases.

Just take bloated symbian, where you is the only person who doesnt see any problem!?

symbian anna with ovistore still not working on C7 several people at Nokia sweden complains and has problem with Anna update on N8.

Nokia is failing even more now cause of Elop and you still is naive and dont see any problems with Nokia!?

maybe you should start work at marketing deparment at Nokia, they also seems to need alot of people...

I have seen those "problems". They are more like "should I open the can before or after I start pouring the beer?".

Anyway, the point is I don't give frak if Nokia "succeed" or "fail" or the N9 is sold here or there or wherever, or if total m0rons aren't able to pour themselves a beer (update their software).

The only thing important to me is:
Is device Y cool?
if YES then get it
else move on

Now, "cool" is a very subjective thing. What is cool to me isn't cool to you. Even though Android sucks IMO, the SGS2 is a very cool device, as is the new "tabloid/phone" thingy. If Nokia should totally **** up the release date (with a day or two) does nothing wrt my cool impression of the N9.

Nokia has done a series of mistakes during the last 4-5 years, but Elop is not part of those mistakes. You may dislike or "hate" Elop and MS and WP and so on, but your (crippled) emotional life is no measuring stick for Nokias failure/success. It's as simple as that.

[abill_uk]

Wot?
Please, please, dear god please... stop talking.

Your problem is your in at the deepend and you cannot see the clearside of this.

Bring yourself back to reality and remember what Nokia did WITHOUT Elop.

They screwed us on Maemo and they screwed up Meego by pulling support away and this WAS Elop involved.

Why can you not see that Elop does NOT have any interest in Meego at all in any way or form, look at the direction he is making Nokia go...WP.

Everyone buying this N9 is for sure 100% not going to be happy at all because Meego is a non entity now and has been stated so many many times everywhere on the net.

Meego has failed and everyone who can actually see clear is saying this not just me ok.

Look at the future and see what is happening in the mobile development world, you will see where it is going, now take a look back at Meego and the N9, just how long do you think it will be before the N9 is long past and forgotton????.

Everyone needs to look further now and see this BEFORE being ripped off once again by Nokia.

NOKIA IS WP NOW NOT MEEGO.

You might hate WP and you have that right but the facts are facts and we do not have a choice.
The world of mobile technology HAS moved on even from the N9 so move with it or face let down once again.

FVCK NOKIA AND FVCK ELOP i am not interested in either and guess what.....i actually have the right to say and feel the way i do and am NOT dragged in like many on this thread about the N9 farce.

Roll on January as it is only around the corner.

[gerbick]

Oh that's right I forgot, this is you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xo3hFEWScA

I like this one better (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWHopwKTgxQ)...

[gerbick]

Your problem is your in at the deepend and you cannot see the clearside of this.

And let me guess... you do?

Bring yourself back to reality and remember what Nokia did WITHOUT Elop.

They launched the Nokia Internet Tablets before anybody else was doing it. They had a decent form factor, an open source based OS, and didn't market it.

They came out with the N96 for almost $800 when the iPhone was selling for less and taking their lunch. It was sold too high, did too little and had way too many bugs.

And this same pre-Elop era also stopped/restarted Maemo 5 times and didn't push that into more than one device at a time with a very small group of engineers.

Exchange N96 for N9 and the rest still stands.

Why can you not see that Elop does NOT have any interest in Meego at all in any way or form, look at the direction he is making Nokia go...WP.

Name one more active handset manufacturer that has ongoing MeeGo support... right now.

I'll be waiting.

It seems that nobody has any interest in MeeGo outside of the auto OEM's and a few other manufacturers. Two netbooks, one tablet sold only in Germany, another tab sold so randomly I've yet to see it ever - if it's being sold that is - and a yet to be released N9. Oh... and the developer only N950. That is it.

Everyone buying this N9 is for sure 100% not going to be happy at all because Meego is a non entity now and has been stated so many many times everywhere on the net.

And you know this... how?

NOKIA IS WP NOW NOT MEEGO.

And this hasn't stopped you from ranting ad nauseum.

You might hate WP and you have that right but the facts are facts and we do not have a choice.

Yes you do. Other people make phones outside of Nokia. If you mean within Nokia, they still make Symbian phones. That doesn't make you happy? Then buy the N9. That doesn't make you happy, then buy the WP7 phones. That doesn't make you happy? Then find somebody else. You have choices. You choose to not execute them and we, this community suffers for that.

Simply stated, your singular minded rants are getting predictable. And I say this out of kindness... it's time to stop them. It's the same thing as I expect when I see a BigBadGuber! post - I'll invariably see the same thing(s) as before.

The world of mobile technology HAS moved on even from the N9 so move with it or face let down once again.

And you haven't yet moved on...

i actually have the right to say and feel the way i do and am NOT dragged in like many on this thread about the N9 farce.

And we have equal rights to say, feel and do as we please too. That's not exactly an unique trait.

Roll on January as it is only around the corner.

And then comes December 2012. End of funding for TMO, end of your ranting. Think of it that way.

[abill_uk]

And let me guess... you do?

OK we will go through your post bit by bit and look at your mentality behind this.

They launched the Nokia Internet Tablets before anybody else was doing it. They had a decent form factor, an open source based OS, and didn't market it.

This proves the failure of Nokia and it is very consistent, reason in my opinion is always down to software failure because of lack of development and Nokia's weak point especially venturing beyond Symbian.

They came out with the N96 for almost $800 when the iPhone was selling for less and taking their lunch. It was sold too high, did too little and had way too many bugs.

Now you see your own point you make in between your lines of software failure?.

And this same pre-Elop era also stopped/restarted Maemo 5 times and didn't push that into more than one device at a time with a very small group of engineers.

You hit the nail on the head here by saying "a small group of engineers" and once again your making the point of software failure.

Exchange N96 for N9 and the rest still stands.

The N96 was more of a finished product that had a lot of software upgrades which means better support BUT swap for N9? are you sure about this one?.
Remember the N9 is not out yet and i predict software failure once again due to negligence on developers PLUS the added fact that Elop has made it very clear indeed this IS the last Meego device and has made it also very clear the road he is on.... WP.

Name one more active handset manufacturer that has ongoing MeeGo support... right now.

I can not and you very well know this and this point of yours is very clear to the future of Meego because of lack of developers.

I'll be waiting.

Now do you see my point? and yes i will also be waiting the same as you !.

It seems that nobody has any interest in MeeGo outside of the auto OEM's and a few other manufacturers. Two netbooks, one tablet sold only in Germany, another tab sold so randomly I've yet to see it ever - if it's being sold that is - and a yet to be released N9. Oh... and the developer only N950. That is it.

Your saying this frequently now and once again i am in agreeance with you 100%.

And you know this... how?

YOU know this so why are you asking ME???.

And this hasn't stopped you from ranting ad nauseum.

I have as much right to "rant" as much as any other member on this forum and just because i am flamboyant in my views means i get known for my posts even if they are not in agreeance with other members but remember i STILL have that right ok.

Yes you do. Other people make phones outside of Nokia. If you mean within Nokia, they still make Symbian phones. That doesn't make you happy? Then buy the N9. That doesn't make you happy, then buy the WP7 phones. That doesn't make you happy? Then find somebody else. You have choices. You choose to not execute them and we, this community suffers for that.

This community is suffering because of lack of openess of Maemo and the lack of progress because of that very factor NOT because of me ok.
PLEASE understand i have the right to post just as you and everyone else on here.

Simply stated, your singular minded rants are getting predictable. And I say this out of kindness... it's time to stop them. It's the same thing as I expect when I see a BigBadGuber! post - I'll invariably see the same thing(s) as before.

I speak it the way it is and i have the capability of putting myself outside of the situation, the problem with that is we always come back to reality as nothing changes in this world for many many reasons.
This community thrived on developers working on CLOSED code and components and i say they all deserve a medal for doing so BUT they eventually got to the point it was not possible to get around code that is not open so they one by one gave up and moved on, THIS is my doing????.

And you haven't yet moved on..

WHY should i ? i love this community i love the work many members have done on here working against the grain in many circumstances and once again i say they deserve a medal for it.
NO i will not move away from the best community this world has right now !!! as NOTHING compares !!!.

And we have equal rights to say, feel and do as we please too. That's not exactly an unique trait.

BUT your trying to tell me that i do NOT have that right and that IS wrong of you to even suggest sorry to say but here we disagree :(.

And then comes December 2012. End of funding for TMO, end of your ranting. Think of it that way.

TMO IS the best forum that exsists today and i very very hope it goes on way way beyond and past the end of contract with Nokia.

Even though i do not agree with everyone on here and neither do you by the way !!!, does not make me an "alien", this happens because posts like yours try to alienate me and guess what.... i bite back !.

All in all i love your posts in general and i very hope you do not mind that in the rare instance like this i have spoken against you in some part only as the most of it i am agreeing with you.

[Chuck Norris]

You guys don't have a clue. Just stop it. ;)

[rohit.hellboy]

Wow... I think I fell asleep thrice in the last few comments. Thanks to Chuck Norris, man u just woke me up in time or i'd collided straight into u n God knows where all i might hv ended up splattered. :D

Anyways, another update (about the N9), it'll be available in Pakistan too. Its up on their website. Still no update for India though. :mad: ... (goes back to loving his N9 poster)...

[mikecomputing]

I was picking on your choice of the phrase "you lot" again. :)



...but.. but... everybody keeps saying it's the most AWESOMEST, PERFECTEST phone EVAR... and that it will be OUT ANY DAY NOW, FOR REALS!

no there will soon be a WP nokia phone for you and others have patience. WP will fix all problems....

[jalyst]

I like this one better (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWHopwKTgxQ)...

LOL, that's GOLD.

[jalyst]

yikes, prolly not available outside korea though
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/17/lg-teases-lu6200-with-1-5ghz-dual-core-cpu-720p-hd-display-gin/

[Chuck Norris]

yikes, prolly not available outside korea though
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/17/lg-teases-lu6200-with-1-5ghz-dual-core-cpu-720p-hd-display-gin/

why do we need that in this n9 thread?

[abill_uk]

yikes, prolly not available outside korea though
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/17/lg-teases-lu6200-with-1-5ghz-dual-core-cpu-720p-hd-display-gin/

Now you see a device better than the N9 is and it is not out yet !.

And yes VERY relevant on this thread.

[Chuck Norris]

Now you see a device better than the N9 is and it is not out yet !.

And yes VERY relevant on this thread.

Better is a word you have to be careful with.

And how is it relevant?

[abill_uk]

Better is a word you have to be careful with.

And how is it relevant?

Look at the spec and you will se it is BETTER than the N9 by the cpu alone.

The N9 is already old hat and people need to realise this BEFORE they waste there money buying one later to regret it because of newer technology.

I would tell everyone to look carefully and consider this before attempting to buy the N9.

Quad technology is about to take off BIG time and that alone will spell the end for the N9 because developers will shift to that spec even IF Meego was being developed and it is now being stated as a failure everywhere on the net.

Do your homework ok.

[abill_uk]

Here is just ONE of many many writeups available that tell you the reasons for epic failure of not only the N9 buit also Meego.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2011/06/nokias-new-meego-based-n9-is-set-up-for-failure.ars

DO YOUR HOMEWORK OK.

[Chuck Norris]

Look at the spec and you will se it is BETTER than the N9 by the cpu alone.

The N9 is already old hat and people need to realise this BEFORE they waste there money buying one later to regret it because of newer technology.

I would tell everyone to look carefully and consider this before attempting to buy the N9.

Quad technology is about to take off BIG time and that alone will spell the end for the N9 because developers will shift to that spec even IF Meego was being developed and it is now being stated as a failure everywhere on the net.

Do your homework ok.

I will not even comment your statement. You seems to live in your own head :D Have fun in there. I will not argue how you view the world.

[ysss]

*yawn* you were ordering 20 units of these puppies to be resold to members of this site for a nice profit just a few days ago before the release schedule was changed.

that ars technica article is 2 months old.

someone is not making the grade, it seems!.

btw, android devices are not relevant to this particular thread.

[abill_uk]

*yawn* you were ordering 20 units of these puppies to be resold to members of this site for a nice profit just a few days ago before the release schedule was changed.

that ars technica article is 2 months old.

someone is not making the grade, it seems!.

btw, android devices are not relevant to this particular thread.

TIME CHANGES EVERYTHING AND YOUR ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINION BUT DO NOT EXPECT EVERYONE TO AGREE WITH THEM OK.... touche !!!.

What you are saying is jalyst is out of order by putting that post on this thread? so direct your post at him rather than me ok.

[ysss]

Jalyst himself would probably agree that his post is better suited under the 'competitors' subforum and would find more relevant audiences there.

We go on all kinds of tangent in free form discussions, it's only natural that these things happen from time to time (*ahem*).

So why did you think that it was VERY relevant to this thread again? ;)

[Chuck Norris]

Ok, back to topic :)

(Abill, why not create a thread: "other devices are better than n9" and state opinions there. I can even come over and argue with you.)

[abill_uk]

Jalyst himself would probably agree that his post is better suited under the 'competitors' subforum and would find more relevant audiences there.

We go on all kinds of tangent in free form discussions, it's only natural that these things happen from time to time (*ahem*).

So why did you think that it was VERY relevant to this thread again? ;)

You should be asking jaylst that not me.

WHY are you addressing posts at me for someone elses post? bit strange dont you think???.

People will thank me sooner or later for bringing the REALISM to the N9.

Mark this post in your history and you will see my point.

[rohit.hellboy]

Here is just ONE of many many writeups available that tell you the reasons for epic failure of not only the N9 buit also Meego.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2011/06/nokias-new-meego-based-n9-is-set-up-for-failure.ars

DO YOUR HOMEWORK OK.

Dont mean to be rude nor start a quarrel but you speak as if the author of the article is someone like 'The Architect' from the Matrix. He's all knowing. Knows whats happened, whats happening and what will happen.

To be frank its his interpretation of whatever has happened or is happening. And its not the only one. None of us knows for sure whats gonna happen. Its all speculation.

Tomorrow, WP may fail to sell at all, n Nokia might shift back to symbian or meego. We dont know. Hell, we dont even know if we might still hv WP/symbian/meego/android/iOS a year later or not. Who knows something revolutionary may come n wipe them off the slate completely.

But then again, thats just my interpretation of things.

[babraq]

Look at the spec and you will se it is BETTER than the N9 by the cpu alone.

The N9 is already old hat and people need to realise this BEFORE they waste there money buying one later to regret it because of newer technology.

I would tell everyone to look carefully and consider this before attempting to buy the N9.

Quad technology is about to take off BIG time and that alone will spell the end for the N9 because developers will shift to that spec even IF Meego was being developed and it is now being stated as a failure everywhere on the net.

Do your homework ok.

Maybe N9 is outdated by hardware specs, but the OS and sexy design are reasons to own this device. At least for me.

Why to buy Samsung with quadcore when it breaks down to pieces at first fall on the floor? Nokia is making phones that last years, not months, or a year. However, there are some exceptions...

If I want phone with WP7, Android, Bada, iOS or Symbian I have plenty of options to choose from. But nothing really caught my attention. Harmattan just got me. The openness of the OS right away, no jailbreaks, no flashing, just a switch in settings menu. Multitasking is just great, overall speed of the device seems good too. And I can write own applications using Qt? I'm sold.

I can't speak for everybody who wants N9, but I have my reasons even when it's only single core 1GHz, dead platform, etc. I just want that thing already!

[abill_uk]

Maybe N9 is outdated by hardware specs, but the OS and sexy design are reasons to own this device. At least for me.

Why to buy Samsung with quadcore when it breaks down to pieces at first fall on the floor? Nokia is making phones that last years, not months, or a year. However, there are some exceptions...

If I want phone with WP7, Android, Bada, iOS or Symbian I have plenty of options to choose from. But nothing really caught my attention. Harmattan just got me. The openness of the OS right away, no jailbreaks, no flashing, just a switch in settings menu. Multitasking is just great, overall speed of the device seems good too. And I can write own applications using Qt? I'm sold.

I can't speak for everybody who wants N9, but I have my reasons even when it's only single core 1GHz, dead platform, etc. I just want that thing already!

Your very entitled to your opinion and if you feel strongly about the N9 then go for it and i would always respect your opinions and choices even if you do have money to throw away :p.

[rohit.hellboy]

...i would always respect your opinions and choices even if you do have money to throw away :p...

I for one do not have any money to throw away but i'll still be buying the N9. Why? Coz its arguably the best option out there at the moment. None of the other phones can give me the kind of combination that the N9 offers.

SGSII mite be a beast but still its not that good looking n plus anything above 4" is a little big to carry as a phone for me. WP mite be good but they are too closed OS wise for me. iOS, well lets just not talk about it. And honestly, the kind of mutlitasking capabilities that the N9 shows I doubt there's another phone in the market that even comes close (not considering the N900). N to top it all it does have a really good camera.

So, there u go. thats just some of the reasons why i'll spend my hard earned money on the N9, even if it doesnt get any support. Coz as long as it works, it will still be worth the money i've spent. :)

PS: n i dont think i'll ever believe in the "absolutely no support" theory. There will always be some kind of support from nokia, even if its just bare minimum. coz frankly N9 is the best bet they've got for atlst the next one year.

[marxian]

Maybe N9 is outdated by hardware specs, but the OS and sexy design are reasons to own this device. At least for me.

Why to buy Samsung with quadcore when it breaks down to pieces at first fall on the floor? Nokia is making phones that last years, not months, or a year. However, there are some exceptions...

If I want phone with WP7, Android, Bada, iOS or Symbian I have plenty of options to choose from. But nothing really caught my attention. Harmattan just got me. The openness of the OS right away, no jailbreaks, no flashing, just a switch in settings menu. Multitasking is just great, overall speed of the device seems good too. And I can write own applications using Qt? I'm sold.

I can't speak for everybody who wants N9, but I have my reasons even when it's only single core 1GHz, dead platform, etc. I just want that thing already!

You should read this thread (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=76635) if the openness of Harmattan is important to you.

[TurboDragon]

I, for one, am not too worried about Nokia's (lack of) involvement after the N9 release. Plenty of open source projects are driven by the community; seeing the number of people arguing over here before the phone is even released, I trust its community will be strong enough to support it. As for Nokia support, I expect it to be minimal, but not completely inexistant.

I will also be getting the N9 because I have been waiting for a viable alternative to Android. While Samsung's phones seem technically excellent, maybe even more so than Nokias, and the OS seems very usable, what worries me about Google is that they're an advertising company. That's how they make a profit. I don't buy into their "Do no evil" Santa Claus policies. Android is useful to them in two ways: to mine their user's data, and to pipe advertising to them wherever they are. This is why a fully open source OS is important.

[jalyst]

You should read this thread (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=76635) if the openness of Harmattan is important to you.

And if you do (as I have) it's clear it's not as black & white as being piss-poor openness.
Far from it, compared to our only other options....
The only big downer is that the community is now stunted, compared to what it could've been.
Hence nowhere near as leverage-able as Android's.

[jalyst]

<SNIP>Even though i do not agree with everyone on here and neither do you by the way !!!,
does not make me an "alien", this happens because posts like yours try to alienate me and guess what.... i bite back !.

All in all i love your posts in general and i very hope you do not mind that in the rare instance like this i have spoken against you in some part only as the most of it i am agreeing with you.

Sluuuurp.
ROFL :D

[jalyst]

why do we need that in this n9 thread?

Just to "chew the fat", so-to-speak...
I've no illusions that there's phones (coming at least) that'll **** all over the N9, at least hardware-wise.
But that doesn't mean the N9 isn't a beautiful ph in it's own right, & something worthy of owning.

[Chuck Norris]

Don't do it again ;)

[jalyst]

Was just emailed this post on an Engadget article I'm subscribed to, ROFL :D

Ditched my dying 3GS in April for an N8 in April because I didn't wanna buy the iPhone 4, as I'm left-handed & quite like to also make calls on my phone too!, on what I thought was gonna 3 months before iPhone 5. Needed a decent camera for a holiday in Thailand,so I bought a factory unlocked N8. Symbian has it's faults, but I like the free navigation software, decent notification system, and most of the tweeks and customization options that had to jailbreak my iphone to get. The Anna update has made the stock browser useable but Belle is gonna be the one. 15 bloody months between iPhone models and I'm still waiting...

Still, even Apple can't quite topple Nokia's incompetence at this point.

[abill_uk]

Sluuuurp.
ROFL :D

I will give you 10/10 for being absolutely PATHETIC sometimes.

Your drivel is very childish coming from an adult, your acting like some kid who wants a new toy.

As for this so called COMMUNITY support, remember it is Meego we are talking about here and as this is a Maemo community Meego dont exactly fit in here as it has already been proven so you will all need to go to meego.com for whatever support you think you will get.

Dont hold your breath now will you !!!!.

[hotnikkelz]

I chuckle everytime someone tries to argue with pointless spam-abill :)

anyway, it seems as though Android is the most open modern platform right now, which is kinda sad. Noone can truly 'OWN' their phone

[jalyst]

I chuckle everytime someone tries to argue with pointless spam-abill :)

Nail on the head.

anyway, it seems as though Android is the most open modern platform right now, which is kinda sad. Noone can truly 'OWN' their phone

Most momentum, hence more regular fixes/improvements, sure of course
Most open, no way.

[abill_uk]

You lot do realise this is called the kiddies thread.... your even lucky some of us grown ups actually come on here.

[scapegoat845]

Maybe N9 is outdated by hardware specs, but the OS and sexy design are reasons to own this device. At least for me.

Why to buy Samsung with quadcore when it breaks down to pieces at first fall on the floor? Nokia is making phones that last years, not months, or a year. However, there are some exceptions...

If I want phone with WP7, Android, Bada, iOS or Symbian I have plenty of options to choose from. But nothing really caught my attention. Harmattan just got me. The openness of the OS right away, no jailbreaks, no flashing, just a switch in settings menu. Multitasking is just great, overall speed of the device seems good too. And I can write own applications using Qt? I'm sold.

I can't speak for everybody who wants N9, but I have my reasons even when it's only single core 1GHz, dead platform, etc. I just want that thing already!

Took the word right outta my mouth....;)

[somedude]

so what is this thread about???? :

[ysss]

I chuckle everytime someone tries to argue with pointless spam-abill :)

shush, some of us are trying to win the specials olympic games!

[Chuck Norris]

so what is this thread about???? :

Its 99% about me and 1% about Nokia n9.

[somedude]

Its 99% about me and 1% about Nokia n9.

wow, if this is about you then chuck norris has lost all its credibility from now on.

[scapegoat845]

http://www.pcworldme.net/2011/09/18/live-blog-nokia-n9-launch/

[jalyst]

^ Launch event similar to Malaysia's but for entire Middle-East?
Woopty do.....

[BigBadGuber!]

You lot do realise this is called the kiddies thread.... your even lucky some of us grown ups actually come on here.

N9 may get you a girlfriend. You will waste less time on this forum.

[marxian]

so what is this thread about???? :

It's about a magical, mystical phone that:

1. Still has no official release date.
2. Has a crippling security framework.
3. Has a slightly dumbed-down UX.
4. Has few of the attributes that make the N900 so unique.
5. Will seemingly have little in the way of manufacturer support.
6. Is about two steps away from being an iPhone KIRF (maybe someone can get it to work with iTunes :p).

/cynicism

So, when and where can I get one. :D

[jalyst]

Way-to-go to highlight every single negative aspect you possibly can.*
But that's been a pretty regular pattern of yours, so not surprised really.
And I don't half blame you, Nokia can't deliver in a timely manner...

*& actually misrepresent/exaggerate some of them

[marxian]

Way-to-go to highlight every single negative aspect you possibly can.

Well, that's the definition of cynicism, is it not? ;)

P.S. I'm still spending most of my spare time writing software for the damn thing, so that should put my comments into perspective.

[jalyst]

Well, that's the definition of cynicism, is it not? ;)

You have a point ;)

[tissot]

I believe it was mentioned here, but i can't be bothered to search.

How much free memory space you have on N9 16GB model?

[marxian]

I believe it was mentioned here, but i can't be bothered to search.

How much free memory space you have on N9 16GB model?

Assuming you're referring to /home/user/MyDocs, it's around 9GB on the N950.

[danramos]

Maybe N9 is outdated by hardware specs, but the OS and sexy design are reasons to own this device. At least for me.

I couldn't help reading that and interpreting it as, "Maybe my car is a piece of rusted junk, but the radio rocks and bass booster in the trunk is sexy... those are reasons to own this car. At least for me."

Um.. let's talk about constraints that a half-open Harmattan Maemo-MeeGo open-core mish-mash OS needs to live within with limited hardware, shall we? :) Trust me, I know--I've been using Android. Welcome to the same scenario--you're not somehow magically better off. And that's a shame.

The openness of the OS right away, no jailbreaks, no flashing, just a switch in settings menu.

Don't you just LOVE Aegis (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=76635)? Ahhh breathe in that delicious, fresh OPEN* air!


*Open being open to interpretation

Took the word right outta my mouth....;)

Just one word? Which word was that? :)

so what is this thread about???? :

First, I thought it was about how the N9 was finally out! ....then I thought it was about how it was ANNOUNCED, but not out yet.. but then I thought it was about how it was supposed to be OUT NOW... but, now I think it's about how it'll be out "SOON"... flying-winged quotes and all.

What do you think this thread is about, folks? Maybe--while we're waiting--we can all give out interpretation?

[abill_uk]

This thread should be moved to meego.com where it belongs as it is all about meego nothing to do with Maemo.

That will probably get rid of most of the children on this forum that all seem to exsist on this thread.

[tissot]

Ok, why has this thread turned in to trolling match again by same guys who post these useless posts day after day?

It was looking good for week or two.
This thread should be moved to meego.com where it belongs as it is all about meego nothing to do with Maemo.

That will probably get rid of most of the children on this forum that all seem to exsist on this thread.
.....

[stickymick]

I think this thread should be renamed yet again.

As it's been announced that the N9 will be available in Portugal for the knock me down with a Chuck Norris fart price of €729 (which works out at just a gnats bollock below £640) for the 64GB version

"N9 [Announced]: It's [DEFINITELY NOT] finally here".

[eMiL]

I'm not shure if this guys is full of sh it, but he does seem to have a N9 on his hands and his response to my comment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04NGNKcEkBw) is quite interesting!

[eMiL]

edit: comment redundant

[babraq]

I'm not shure if this guys is full of sh it, but he does seem to have a N9 on his hands and his response to my comment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04NGNKcEkBw) is quite interesting!

Yes, he is full of ****. N9 won't have HDMI. It's 3.5mm AV connector.

[jalyst]

Alas this was determined with absolute certainty months ago.
Confirmed by abbra, former Nokia employee who worked in this area.

[babraq]

I couldn't help reading that and interpreting it as, "Maybe my car is a piece of rusted junk, but the radio rocks and bass booster in the trunk is sexy... those are reasons to own this car. At least for me."

Ah, car analogy. :) It's more like "Maybe my car doesn't have V8 engine, but it has look of a sports car and it's fast enough. Those are reasons to own this car. At least for me."

[gerbick]

PLEASE understand i have the right to post just as you and everyone else on here.

Never said otherwise. I am suggesting that you use discretion and think about what you post before you do so.

BUT your trying to tell me that i do NOT have that right and that IS wrong of you to even suggest sorry to say but here we disagree

Okay Captain Hyperbole... just follow me on this one. Your posts have angered some seriously involved people. Why? Because you say incorrect things like they are facts, over and over. Case in point, your constant barraging of Stskeeps and asking him to turn over the Maemo source code.

If he could have done it, he would have. Not because you kept asking him to do so. He would have done it for the community he's given so much to in the past without waiting if he were able.

All in all i love your posts in general and i very hope you do not mind that in the rare instance like this i have spoken against you in some part only as the most of it i am agreeing with you.

Then take heed to my above comments. Think before you post. You've switched sides so many times man, I can't even guess which way you'll go next. And stop unnecessarily antagonizing folks.

That's the part I'm addressing. If anything, I'm trying to address not how you're seen, but how people look at your posts if they've not added you to their ignore list already.

[Kozzi]

It looks, costs and runs like a sports car except it doesn't have an engine of a sports car.

my thought at this time.

[IcyMoustache]

or the looks of a ferrari, the engine of a ferrari, but a gearbox with only the first gear

(openness limitations, lack of marketing)

[ericsson]

Here is just ONE of many many writeups available that tell you the reasons for epic failure of not only the N9 buit also Meego.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2011/06/nokias-new-meego-based-n9-is-set-up-for-failure.ars

DO YOUR HOMEWORK OK.

Well, 99.99 % of the world population don't have a clue to what "arstechnica" is. 99.99 % of the population (ex US/UK haha) open a web page or walk in some store, see the N9 and think: Looks good, smells good, feels good, must have.

[Chuck Norris]

http://translate.google.se/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fn9pilot.se%2F

Seems that the testers will have their phones soon. They have selected 30 testers.

[jalyst]

The Samsung V Apple counter-sue offensive has begun, in Oz of all places
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/18/samsung-countersues-apple-in-australia-claims-iphone-ipad-2-v/

[abill_uk]

Never said otherwise. I am suggesting that you use discretion and think about what you post before you do so.



Okay Captain Hyperbole... just follow me on this one. Your posts have angered some seriously involved people. Why? Because you say incorrect things like they are facts, over and over. Case in point, your constant barraging of Stskeeps and asking him to turn over the Maemo source code.

If he could have done it, he would have. Not because you kept asking him to do so. He would have done it for the community he's given so much to in the past without waiting if he were able.



Then take heed to my above comments. Think before you post. You've switched sides so many times man, I can't even guess which way you'll go next. And stop unnecessarily antagonizing folks.

That's the part I'm addressing. If anything, I'm trying to address not how you're seen, but how people look at your posts if they've not added you to their ignore list already.

I am going to reply to this crap tomorow when i have more time and i tell you you will not like my answers.

In the meantime you stay with your "cronies" of this forum and see where it gets you ok.

[abill_uk]

In the meanwhile here is some positive negatives abouit the N9 that people should read.

http://www.product-reviews.net/2011/08/12/nokia-n9-fails-before-release-as-meego-market-dwindles/

http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2011/09/intel-denies-giving-up-on-meego-but-it-doesnt-mean-much.ars

http://www.octofish.net/meegobugjar/2011/07/meego-sdk-bug-jar-201130.html

[mece]

It looks, costs and runs like a sports car except it doesn't have an engine of a sports car.

my thought at this time.

//start pointless rant
If it looks and runs like a sports car then it is a sports car, and thus the engine in it is the engine of a sports car. The fact that other sports cars may have bigger engines is irrelevant.
//end pointless rant

[tissot]

The Samsung V Apple counter-sue offensive has begun, in Oz of all places
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/18/samsung-countersues-apple-in-australia-claims-iphone-ipad-2-v/

And Nokia transferred it's huge patent portfolio to another company that will most probably be suing companies like no day soon. Apple is suing, getting sued, Google will start defending itself and use Moto's patent portfolio, Samsung is now countersuing Apple.

Sure every company has right to get it's money back. Example Nokia's R&D costs have been around 4 billion euros and one of the largest in any industry, but it's really getting hot in the mobile space, a bit too hot.

I would not love anything else than Samsung to finally start designing some actually appealing looking phones rather than copying others and then downgrading them i still find the ipad and galaxy design stuff going on at the moment laugh worthy.

[myrjola]

And Nokia transferred it's huge patent portfolio to another company that will most probably be suing companies like no day soon. Apple is suing, getting sued, Google will start defending itself and use Moto's patent portfolio, Samsung is now countersuing Apple.


Just a note:
As I understood that patent transfer (by Nokia to Core Wireless) concerns about 2000 patents (not the whole "huge patent portfolio" - closer to 30000 - or something like that).

[xerxes2]

The N9 has just about the same hardware as the sgs2 except for the single-core cpu. That is definately not mid-end in my book, besides I'd rather take more battery time than more horse power in a handset. And iirc the camera in the N9 is a new module which may be more expensive and iirc the display got higher resolution than the sgs2.

I haven't tried the N9 yet but the N950 is very snappy and without hdmi i can't see the use with a dual-core anyway. It'll be very interesting to see reviews soon where they put the N9 against the competition. My guess is that the N9 will hold its own very well in all different kinds of tests. And with Qt/QML beeing the best app toolkit there will be plenty of good quality apps for the N9 too.

One thing that people should be aware of though is that Harmattan's UX is very simple (dumbed down). I wouldn't exactly call it geek friendly more like granny friendly. From what I've seen of Symbian Belle so far it slaughters Harmattan's UX if you just look at the features. Harmattan is made to be Meego for the masses so if you're looking for something to mod you should try it irl first before ordering. Of course, as the N9 got an open bootloader you can nuke Harmattan and run whatever you want on it but that's another story. :)

Edit: tv ad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ysvzFLJLeg

Edit2: camera test http://mynokiablog.com/2011/09/18/low-light-picture-taken-with-n9/

[hotnikkelz]

gerbick tried to reason with abill.....again.
I chuckled some more

[gryedouge]

Have to give gerbick 10/10 for trying!

Anyway... OT alert!

Has anyone given thought to http://www.ics.com ? The users over at the touchpad forums are hoping for this rather than android.

[gerbick]

Has anyone given thought to http://www.ics.com ? The users over at the touchpad forums are hoping for this rather than android.

Any links? I've not seen anything yet

[shallimus]

I wish they'd hurry up and release it so some people would hush up.
...and 4 weeks later, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

Don't miss the thrilling conclusion of the great Baltic saga "The Disappointment of the Nokia" right here in TMO!

...

:(

[danramos]

Ah, car analogy. :) It's more like "Maybe my car doesn't have V8 engine, but it has look of a sports car and it's fast enough. Those are reasons to own this car. At least for me."

Turbo-revving young punk, I'll straighten you out yet! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1SNgRxiyF0#t=2m)

It looks, costs and runs like a sports car except it doesn't have an engine of a sports car.

my thought at this time.

So... especially if it COSTS like a sports car why would you not just GET a sports car... especially if it turns out to be cheaper than this knock-off?

//start pointless rant
If it looks and runs like a sports car then it is a sports car, and thus the engine in it is the engine of a sports car. The fact that other sports cars may have bigger engines is irrelevant.
//end pointless rant

Counterpoint!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p90_8JJQUI

[rohit.hellboy]

Really!! We are talking about sports cars now?? :p

[ysss]

Up until last year, we can probably still be categorized as an epic. What with the David vs Goliath theme.

Lately, I'm not sure whether we're in a tragedy or a drama. Or could be a satirical comedy.

[OVK]

In Finnish phone forum some people who have tested N9 are saying that N9 browser does not support bookmarks (so if one wants to add bookmark it must be added to application list as a "web app"), only list of pages visited most often. Can someone confirm this or are those people wrong?

[BwackNinja]

Man, the only thing that is more of a mess than this thread is its posters. We're going on 3 months of waiting and hostility is STILL on the rise. The ability to block posters has been mentioned more times than I remember. The only thing that can stop this thread now is the N9 finally coming out and the title being invalid, so a new thread would be started.

So many peoples' happiness relies on the N9, and the numbers used to be more, when more people had hope. People try to find someone to blame and want Elop to be Nokia's martyr, taking the blame for everything past and present that everyone here is calling mistakes. You wish, and heck, I wish it was that simple. You say all this when even a giant like Intel is being ignored completely in the smartphone and tablet markets - both hardware and software. Others had trouble latching onto MeeGo because Nokia had its hand so deep in it. The only people who ever knew anything good about MeeGo are those who knew it back when it was two separate entities.

It was destined for obscurity, like all of desktop linux. A cult following by those who claim to be "enlightened," or as a part of this group, I'd say "better informed." Its linux, but in creating this operating system they refuse to harness its potential as powerful, where it would be given an x86 processor and Flash would be obvious, Fennec (Firefox Mobile) would have few complains from anyone as the browser with both the name and the compatibility to back itself up. USB peripherals should have been obvious, at least a docking station with USB - heck, even without HDMI on the phone, DisplayLink would've worked.

October is looking like an exciting month, but unfortunately that's not because of the N9. All I ever wanted was this stupid linux phone, but a linux phone must not be profitable, eh? The N9 isn't coming out with a bang, but just a fizzle. No one will turn their heads.

I want a dual core x86 processor behind a 4.5" 720p capacitive touchscreen, dual cameras, a keyboard, and a good chunk of hard drive space. Screw the OS as long as I can get Linux and X running on it.

[jalyst]

From what I've seen of Symbian Belle so far it slaughters Harmattan's UX if you just look at the features.

From what I've seen of both....
I'd say it's an exaggeration to say Belle slaughters Harmattan's UX.

Harmattan is made to be Meego for the masses so if you're looking for something to mod you should try it irl first before ordering.
Of course, as the N9 got an open bootloader you can nuke Harmattan and run whatever you want on it but that's another story. :)


I think we'll find it's quite good in that department, as time goes on.
And is actually more flexible/modular than originally presumed...

[jalyst]

In Finnish phone forum some people who have tested N9 are saying that N9 browser does not support bookmarks (so if one wants to add bookmark it must be added to application list as a "web app"), only list of pages visited most often. Can someone confirm this or are those people wrong?

I think that may be right, although I can't recall where i read it. Nothing about bookmarks here...
http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/06/28/nokia-n9-opening-the-browser/

Nokia Conversations haven't done anywhere near as many N9 demos/write-ups as they should have by now.
They talked about it for the 1st few wks (one or two articles /wk) after launch, & have been dead-silent since :mad:

[jalyst]

Has anyone given thought to http://www.ics.com ? The users over at the touchpad forums are hoping for this rather than android.

Can you elaborate?

[ste-phan]

Now you see a device better than the N9 is and it is not out yet !.

And yes VERY relevant on this thread.

As long as these things are runing Android and considering the rate the Asian manufacturers spawn "new models" I can only classify this as environmental polution.
It is not because of "we" in the West did that for years (Nokia) they have the right to do the same :D
One phone a year, wait lets make it 2 years. N9

[Jedibeeftrix]

The N9 has just about the same hardware as the sgs2 except for the single-core cpu. That is definately not mid-end in my book,

It definately IS midrange.

the LG Optimus Black which I briefly owned is a perfect analogue:
4" WVGA screen with high contrast IPS screen
1GHz Omap3 SoC

Price, about £250 sim-free versus £450.

Hi end phones of [today] have settled on a standard of:
4.3" plus with a qHD resolution
1GHz dual-core SoC

but remember, the N9 still isn't available to buy [today], at best it will be available from Oct and maybe November before widely available in most markets.

the standard for phones of [tomorrow] against which the N9 will spend the majority of its life competing against will be:
4.3" to 4.7" screen with a qHD to WXGA resolution
1.2GHz dual-core to 1.5GHz SoC

right now, before the N9 is even released it is an upper mid-range phone, by the time it is widely available it will be a lower mid-range phone.

it should come with a mid-range price.

[mikecomputing]

I'm not shure if this guys is full of sh it, but he does seem to have a N9 on his hands and his response to my comment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04NGNKcEkBw) is quite interesting!


if hdmmi its probadly a "special edition" means the "originalversion" until Elop decided to remove hdmi to make sure n9 doesnt compete with his failing strategy...

[jo21]

"Stephen Elop in charge of postponed n9 sales. He want to promote wp7. So he needs a shorter period between n9 and wp7."

i reading tweets...that say that, can someone kill elop already.

[marxian]

In Finnish phone forum some people who have tested N9 are saying that N9 browser does not support bookmarks (so if one wants to add bookmark it must be added to application list as a "web app"), only list of pages visited most often. Can someone confirm this or are those people wrong?

That's correct. Another problem I have noticed with the browser is that you cannot upload files (or choose where to save downloaded files individually), because you cannot launch a file browser. This problem may be specific to the N950, as there is no stock file browser. I don't know if the N9 will have a stock file browser, or whether it will be possible for a third-party developer to have their file browser launch when the button is clicked.

[scapegoat845]

Zehjotkah just tweeted that N950 finally got a firmware update. N9 release right around the corner ?!

[OVK]

That's correct. Another problem I have noticed with the browser is that you cannot upload files (or choose where to save downloaded files individually), because you cannot launch a file browser. This problem may be specific to the N950, as there is no stock file browser. I don't know if the N9 will have a stock file browser, or whether it will be possible for a third-party developer to have their file browser launch when the button is clicked.

Good thing that this got clarified. I just saved 700€. There is now way that I am buying a phone that has so stupid browser that it can't even handle bookmarks in any sane way. No matter how high html5 score it has.

[vitaminj]

n.b. that today's N950 firmware update (flashers available soon, but the release notes (https://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/3744886f-69c1-4544-8ad3-72b352b4a832/Nokia_N950_OneClickFlashers_Release_Notes.html) are out now) is just beta 2 - it's still not the final software - the release notes explicitly say it's not complete and that stuff is still missing.

[vitaminj]

Good thing that this got clarified. I just saved 700€. There is now way that I am buying a phone that has so stupid browser that it can't even handle bookmarks in any sane way. No matter how high html5 score it has.

Well the bookmarks are icons in your main app list - not sure how that's a massive dealbreaker? The autocomplete history when you start typing into the url bar is quite extensive as well, if you prefer that way.
If you want more traditional behaviour, then firefox mobile runs quite nicely.

[marxian]

N950 now has Angry Birds. :D

[Hihu]

First unboxing vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUeOEtIzr4A

[jalyst]

Hi end phones of [today] have settled on a standard of:
4.3" plus with a qHD resolution
1GHz dual-core SoC

What model is that? It's not the SGSII....
You're also only comparing every core component, not every single hw/software point.
But I somewhat agree, & have already argued to some extent...
That street prices eventually need to drop below that of street prices of SGSII's "ilk".

[pelago]

Has anyone given thought to http://www.ics.com ? The users over at the touchpad forums are hoping for this rather than android.

I think you mean ICS as in Ice Cream Sandwich (a future version of Android), rather than ics.com which appears to be unrelated.

[OVK]

Well the bookmarks are icons in your main app list - not sure how that's a massive dealbreaker? The autocomplete history when you start typing into the url bar is quite extensive as well, if you prefer that way.
If you want more traditional behaviour, then firefox mobile runs quite nicely.

Tens of bookmarks (on my N900 I have around 100 bookmarks, some I visit maybe once a month but they are still important for me) on already long list of applications. At least a bookmark folder is needed.

Also autocomplete history is not a replacement for bookmarks. Think it this way: do you want to loose your bookmarks when you clear your browsing history?

N900's browser handles bookmarks in a good way: you can choose what bookmarks you have and then the most used are on top of the list.

[don_falcone]

I think you mean ICS as in Ice Cream Sandwich (a future version of Android), rather than ics.com which appears to be unrelated.

Probably. But the linked ICS also is related to tablets / applications, somehow...

[Bernard]

n.b. that today's N950 firmware update (flashers available soon, but the release notes (https://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/3744886f-69c1-4544-8ad3-72b352b4a832/Nokia_N950_OneClickFlashers_Release_Notes.html) are out now) is just beta 2 - it's still not the final software - the release notes explicitly say it's not complete and that stuff is still missing.

Device software: still in beta
Scratchbox harmattan SDK: still in beta
Harmattan Qt SDK support: still in beta
Ovi store for haramattan: still in beta

Maybe Nokia will just rename it "final" at some point, but it could also be that Nokia still has a very long to-do list before they believe the device will be ready.

Also isn't it customary that there should be at least one release candidate that gets thoroughly end-user tested, before the final release? All this sounds like a very late October release if not (much) later.

[jalyst]

First unboxing vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUeOEtIzr4A

their full review here
http://www.youtube.com/user/DigitalLifeMag#p/u/1/quGbOfDJUQs

[jalyst]

Maybe Nokia will just rename it "final" at some point, but it could also be that Nokia still has a very long to-do list before they believe the device will be ready.

Also isn't it customary that there should be at least one release candidate that gets thoroughly end-user tested, before the final release? All this sounds like a very late October release if not (much) later.

Stop it, you're scaring the **** out of me! :( :D

[BigBadGuber!]

Device software: still in beta
Scratchbox harmattan SDK: still in beta
Harmattan Qt SDK support: still in beta
Ovi store for haramattan: still in beta

Maybe Nokia will just rename it "final" at some point, but it could also be that Nokia still has a very long to-do list before they believe the device will be ready.

Also isn't it customary that there should be at least one release candidate that gets thoroughly end-user tested, before the final release? All this sounds like a very late October release if not (much) later.

Its not Elop that is holding this up. Its software, as usual.

[dtergens]

OMG ! I can see it, it's gorgeous, it's coming here, it's coming here ... xD

http://modernsurvivalblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/2001-space-odyssey-monolith.jpg

[dtergens]

S.Elop : " we are sorry for the delay, we are making a last series of strenght tests on N9 with wild monkeys in the desert, then I promise you that it will be very soon avalaible."

http://s3.amazonaws.com/readers/2011/09/09/monolith_1.jpg

[jalyst]

Its not Elop that is holding this up. Its software, as usual.

Doesn't mean they couldn't have gotten much better with the right reforms, & emphasis/focus.
Much earlier... of course...

You're one of those freaks that argue they can only do hardware, & that's all they must focus on, + a tiny fraction of the stack.
LOL, good luck with that, against the likes of Samsung et al.

[babraq]

Good thing that this got clarified. I just saved 700€. There is now way that I am buying a phone that has so stupid browser that it can't even handle bookmarks in any sane way. No matter how high html5 score it has.

Like there could be only one browser.

[OVK]

Like there could be only one browser.

If the other browsers integrate well with the system (for example I can choose to save bookmarks from emails and open them on the other browser instead of the default browser) then there is no problem. If the default browser gets in the way of this there definately is a problem.

[jalyst]

Discussion about the local situation in Oz, mostly a lot of ranting by me :eek:
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1735543&p=50#r981
Only interesting in the sense that it gives you a rough idea how telco distribution is developing or not (at least seemingly).

[jalyst]

If the other browsers integrate well with the system (for example I can choose to save bookmarks from emails and open them on the other browser instead of the default browser) then there is no problem. If the default browser gets in the way of this there definately is a problem.

I recall jolo explaining that is some of the work he's doing for fennec, along with performance testing of flash.
But he no longer responds in that thread, refuses to give updates about the status of fennec/flash etc :(

[OVK]

I recall jolo explaining that is some of the work he's doing for fennec, along with performance testing of flash.
But he no longer responds in that thread, refuses to give updates about the status of fennec/flash etc :(

He already probably said more than he was allowed to. Let's just hope for the best.

[aironeous]

Good thing that this got clarified. I just saved 700€. There is now way that I am buying a phone that has so stupid browser that it can't even handle bookmarks in any sane way. No matter how high html5 score it has.
I'm in agreement on this one. That is a major flunk. Bookmarks is Browser 101, it better get fixed.

[aironeous]

oops someone beat me to it

[Guffaw]

swipe.nokia.se now linking to http://webbutiken.tele2.se/Kop-ny-mobil/nokian9black/?s=288 as third option in Sweden.
Updated with delivery week 40.

EDIT:

Nokia N9 finally at Telenor Norway:

http://www.telenor.no/privat/mobil/?icid=p-110919_Privatforsiden_NokiaN9 Date: 3rd Oct. :rolleyes:

Two updates today, both week 40.
14 days to N9! :D

[jalyst]

swipe.nokia.se now linking to http://webbutiken.tele2.se/Kop-ny-mobil/nokian9black/?s=288 as third option in Sweden.
Updated with delivery week 40.

EDIT:

Nokia N9 finally at Telenor Norway:

http://www.telenor.no/privat/mobil/?icid=p-110919_Privatforsiden_NokiaN9 Date: 3rd Oct. :rolleyes:

Two updates today, both week 40.
14 days to N9! :D

Yeah heaps of places are now corroborating 1st to 14th of October.
Lets hope that means something....

Are most of the EU telcos only offering the 16GB, or the 16GB & 64GB?
Australia it seems only one telco cares about offering the 64GB.

[Guffaw]

Yeah heaps of places are now corroborating 1st to 14th of October.
Is that the total cost of a 12/24mth contract, or an outright buy?
If the latter then those prices are a bit mad...
Former tis somewhat understandable, as one always pays more in a contract.

Haha i removed that, because its wrong. This is N9 only from Telenor:

4799 :D
4799 Norwegian kroner = 850.401996 U.S. dollars
4799 Norwegian kroner = 621.411762 Euros
- No subscriptions
- the phone is locked to Telenor / djuice

[jalyst]

at Jalyst, doubt is about N9+secure payments? Maybe it's another question, I can't read everything every day here, You are very productive here.:D
My question to Nokia was; Nokias 6 handsets with NFC chip have a secure element or SWP ?
Nokias answer; "Secure NFC in this context means secure payment. Nokia is committed to supporting the specification, implementation and introduction of NFC phones with the SIM-based (Single Wire Protocol) secure element." I did not mention the N9 seperately, but the N9 is 1 of the 6....
I tried to find more info about that protocol (SWP). I didn't find out what it is exactly. Some software in firmware or if it must be fried in a chip?

Yeah what I'm wanting to know is....
Can a sim or sticker which already has the secure-element, be used with NFC built into the N9, in order to bring secure payments to the N9?

I understand the sticker communicates with the phone via BT, sim I'm not sure?
Will Nokia support this.... :confused: :confused:

[Chuck Norris]

Positive feeling in the thread today :) keep it up!

[jalyst]

LOL, if today's positive I hate to see what negative is...

[babraq]

First unboxing vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUeOEtIzr4A

So, the soft cover for free was BS?

[marxian]

LOL, if today's positive I hate to see what negative is...

I'll come up with something soon. :p Or maybe I'll just leave it to danramos. :) ;)

[mikecomputing]

their full review here
http://www.youtube.com/user/DigitalLifeMag#p/u/1/quGbOfDJUQs

PERFECT release it in greek no one has money too buy the device...

[babraq]

Official pricing:
CZ: 16GB for ~588.28€ and 64GB for ~649.17€
SK: 599,99€, 699,99€ respectively

Estimated date of delivery is first half of October.

http://www.obchod.nokia.cz/ProductVariationsPage.aspx?ProductID=77795
http://nokia.finesa.sk/nokia-n9-16-gb-p1204
http://nokia.finesa.sk/nokia-n9-64-gb-p1223

[abill_uk]

Official pricing:
CZ: 16GB for ~588.28€ and 64GB for ~649.17€
SK: 599,99€, 699,99€ respectively

Estimated date of delivery is first half of October.

http://www.obchod.nokia.cz/ProductVariationsPage.aspx?ProductID=77795
http://nokia.finesa.sk/nokia-n9-16-gb-p1204
http://nokia.finesa.sk/nokia-n9-64-gb-p1223

NO WAY is that piece of junk worth THAT amount of money, you lot buying it need your heads examined :rolleyes:

[ysss]

PURRRfectly on cue...

[Zoxir]

PERFECT release it in greek no one has money too buy the device...
Bro why do you think everyone is giving greece money?? So we can all buy the N9 :D.


plus nokia.gr has no update regarding the N9 just that is coming soon.

[ericsson]

IT IS HERE !!!!


:D :D :D :D

http://nettbutikk.telenor.no//Mobiles-N9TELENOR.NOB.aspx


Well, October 3 is the date :D on-off contract from NOK 1 (0.15 €) :D
Telenor sucks, but right now I gotta like them :D

[mikecomputing]

swipe.nokia.se now linking to http://webbutiken.tele2.se/Kop-ny-mobil/nokian9black/?s=288 as third option in Sweden.
Updated with delivery week 40.

EDIT:

Nokia N9 finally at Telenor Norway:

http://www.telenor.no/privat/mobil/?icid=p-110919_Privatforsiden_NokiaN9 Date: 3rd Oct. :rolleyes:

Two updates today, both week 40.
14 days to N9! :D

We also has telenor.se (I dont know why theyre not listed in swipe.nokia.se