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jalyst

10-05-2011, 04:33 PM

Trying to do this:

- Create a file called /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mymoves.list
- Into that file, enter this line: deb http://koti.kapsi.fi/~sh8dfwk/mymoves binary/

If I try:
mv /home/user/MyDocs/Downloads/mymoves.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mymoves.list
i get this:
mv: can't create '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/mymoves.list': Permission denied

How do I fix that?

If you do an ls -al on that directory what are the user permissions?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ls
You'll want write 'w'

This will come in handy :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod

I'm not sure what editor you can use, but if you try:
vi /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mymoves.list
Then type the entry your required to:
deb http://koti.kapsi.fi/~sh8dfwk/mymoves binary

And then save, does it give you the same prob?
Probably will....

Must sleeeep...

aironeous

10-05-2011, 04:34 PM

Didn't qgil confirm all the language pack are included, which would include languages for input.
It was in a meego thread, someone was designing a Mandarin input app...
I remember that thread and I remember the opposite. He said it wasn't in the list of languages. Furthermore I just posted the variants that I got from Navifirm and there is no Korean variant.

I think it's stupid they didn't include Korean because it has the easiest alphabet in the world to learn. You can literally learn the alphabet in 3 hours.

Maybe there is a qt app ported from symbian. I think it is likely because there are a lot of symbian phones out there.

slai

10-05-2011, 04:46 PM

Hydroponies

10-05-2011, 04:53 PM

An update for Switzerland:
The black N9 is already out of stock at Digitech (was in stock only today for some time). New supplies expected mid- (cyan, black) and late October (magenta, black 64).

hmm when i look at my pending order of a black 64gb version it tells me "mid-october". Maybe they've already accounted for pre-orders in their estimates?

Still very unhappy that i don't have my N9 yet :-(

Edit:

Something smells really bad here. Seems like even the countries where it is officially available aren't getting more than a teaspoon of it.
Come to think of it, now i remember one week ago someone at their costumer support hotline mentioned that they had some (unspecified) problems with their supplier regarding the N9.
Hope the "problem" was people constantly calling because of that stupid phone though :D

babraq

10-05-2011, 05:00 PM

Trying the "vi" thing :P .

And nothing happens if i try to write stuff. If i press "d" though it says "Delete 1 lines (1 chars) using [D]".

Vi is special editor. For novice users very confusing. If you want to do just minor edits, use nano.

slai

10-05-2011, 05:03 PM

so nano /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mymoves.list will creste the file and let me edit it? still confused as to why mv didnt work =/

jalyst

10-05-2011, 05:06 PM

did ls -al and it shows root across the board.

Trying the "vi" thing :P .

This happens after i hit enter "vi /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mymoves.list":

And nothing happens if i try to write stuff. If i press "d" though it says "Delete 1 lines (1 chars) using [D]".

LOL you're in Vi, but it's not the easiest editor to get used to.
Certainly one of the more powerful ones though, once you master it.
Try pico/nano instead...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pico_(text_editor)

Are you root, change to root if you're not, if you can't try to use sudo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudo) to execute:
pico /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mymoves.list

slai

10-05-2011, 05:09 PM

jalyst

10-05-2011, 05:10 PM

so nano /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mymoves.list will creste the file and let me edit it? still confused as to why mv didnt work =/

It sounds like you were saying R/W/X permissions were only for root.
If you weren't root, you wouldn't be able to write to that directory.

jalyst

10-05-2011, 05:17 PM

N9 vs iPhone 4S vs SGSII vs Droid Bionic vs HTC Titan

Let me know if i missed something.

http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff386/mclaffy1/Comparison3.png

(updated chart)

We should send this to Engadget and see if they'll post it! :D
Should wait till it's got much more detail for each ph there first.
Did you create it in a spreadsheet, can I have the original file please?
We can put it up on google docs & open access to anyone who wants to contribute etc.

biatch0

10-05-2011, 05:21 PM

nano and pico not found :P .

so where do i get them? i miss my n900 suddenly, where i had leafpad :P

also no sudo.

i tried ls -al again and this time it just listed "user" instead of "root" everywhere.

im sorely confuzzled.
Press "i" before typing anything to add stuff.

When done, ":" and then type "wq!" to write/save and quit.

"d" deletes that line.

If there's no sudo available, you could try just doing "su" with a blank password (I think) to elevate privs to root. Someone with an N950 would probably be able to give you a more definitive answer.

jalyst

10-05-2011, 05:25 PM

Jalyst: I nominate you as Creator. Im too lazy to bother, tbh. Id like to, but I know ive got busy phases where I wont be able to update it for streches of like a month or so at a time.

On 2nd thought i think it makes sense just to keep this for very generic discussion.

But we should try to actively spin-off things we want to discuss in more detail.
And if it's a thread that's going to require active/constant updates to the OP...
Then it's handy to also start a google doc & link to it in the OP, & in one's sig.

I still think a dedicated availability/pricing thread is warranted, or at least a google doc.
Too much going on all at once in this thread sometimes...

If there's no sudo available, you could try just doing "su" with a blank password (I think) to elevate privs to root. Someone with an N950 would probably be able to give you a more definitive answer.

Gah that's it, forgot to mention that one, sorry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)

bbin

10-05-2011, 05:29 PM

Oh my, Nokia stocks might be quite a bit up tomorrow. Michael Gartenberg is giving quite good words about N9 on twitter:

#n9 out of box experience is excellent. Native social integration is very good. UI is smooth. NFC pairing for accessories is way cool.
Seems like Nokia finally made it...

slai

10-05-2011, 05:29 PM

"su: must be suid to work properly"

Screw that, Im installing all developer installables through settings, includes things like nano etc, this will solve all my problems.

sorry about the confusion, Im just a clearcut *****.

biatch0

10-05-2011, 05:33 PM

Slightly unrelated, there hasn't been any updated information on the meego.com FM TX/RX thread - anyone know what's going on with that?

gerbick

10-05-2011, 05:40 PM

You still did not answer my question.

What I'm trying to tell you is that you won't benefit from HSPA+ speeds because 99 % of times you are not even getting HSPA speeds.

Prove that please.

bbin

10-05-2011, 05:43 PM

Prove that please.

Lindegaard just gave us an real life proof.

jalyst

10-05-2011, 05:43 PM

@Slai

What about VIM?
If permission aren't right probably won't work anyway but worth a try.

slai

10-05-2011, 05:46 PM

You do realize I have no idea what VIM means, right?

jalyst

10-05-2011, 05:48 PM

Prove that please.

Lindegaard just gave us an real life proof.

Let's keep the discussion going here please guys.
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=78534

jalyst

10-05-2011, 05:49 PM

vim /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mymoves.list

biatch0

10-05-2011, 05:51 PM

If there is no pico/nano, it's highly unlikely that there will be vim :)

jalyst

10-05-2011, 05:52 PM

You got a point about the antenna!
Last night I was a bit annoyed that the Nokia store weren't as fast as I wanted, so I took several speed tests (4 or 5 times) and results varied between 1mbit and 650 kbit, and afterwards on my gf's iphone4 (white); 200 kbit and 400 kbit - and it's easy to say that it didnt didn't reach max speed on any phone, lol!
However the results, unscientific as it were, still showed that antenna isn't to be underestimated!
(- we use the same network carrier)

Thanks mate,
If you've got any time to do more comparisons & share them here (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=78534) i'm sure it'd be hugely appreciated by all of us!
Of course, it's going to vary immensely for everyone....
We need a more technical basis for comparisons at some point, but it's a start.

jalyst

10-05-2011, 05:53 PM

If there is no pico/nano, it's highly unlikely that there will be vim :)

why's that?

slai

10-05-2011, 05:53 PM

That opened an editor, and I put in the contents. How to save :P .

aironeous

10-05-2011, 05:53 PM

Slightly unrelated, there hasn't been any updated information on the meego.com FM TX/RX thread - anyone know what's going on with that?

yeah the last thing mentioned was a nokia employee saying he got authorization to spend 7 hours a week on getting it working and I know javispedro was the guy that was working on it asking different questions about how it would best be implemented after he got the radio playing through the headset.

Here is the last post by tanuk2 at meego forums

"Update from my side: I have been allocated 7.5 h/week for working on making the platform capable of supporting FM radio recording in a nice way. Not much concrete stuff to report yet. I've started a discussion about routing issues in Pulseaudio upstream mailing list: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archive...er/011285.html"

That link doesn't work now^

slai

10-05-2011, 05:54 PM

There was no pico or vim, nano came with an install from the developer settings page tho.

jakiman

10-05-2011, 05:54 PM

Do we have a list of what N900 Maemo5 .deb apps work without any special porting on N9?

jalyst

10-05-2011, 05:55 PM

There was no pico or vim, nano came with an install from the developer settings page tho.

how to save? see here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nano_(text_editor)

0x4e84

10-05-2011, 05:57 PM

An update for Switzerland:
The black N9 is already out of stock at Digitech (was in stock only today for some time). New supplies expected mid- (cyan, black) and late October (magenta, black 64).

Something smells really bad here. Seems like even the countries where it is officially available aren't getting more than a teaspoon of it.

I just ordered mine (Magenta, 16GB) at Mobilezone.ch. The delay is long (expected delivery: approx 1mth), but I was aware of that (for some reason, this color and the 64GB version are the last ones to reach Switzerland), and I got a good deal by renewing my 24 mths contract (which I planned to renew anyway).
I'll continue enjoying the good ol' N900 in the mean time.

slai

10-05-2011, 05:59 PM

Thanks for the patience and the help. You should sleep btw.

Also: I couldnt save, tried "whoami" and got "user", which seems weird since I clearly was rooted earlier. No idea why. Will reboot and see whatup.

rentze

10-05-2011, 06:26 PM

I just ordered mine (Magenta, 16GB) at Mobilezone.ch. The delay is long (expected delivery: approx 1mth), but I was aware of that (for some reason, this color and the 64GB version are the last ones to reach Switzerland), and I got a good deal by renewing my 24 mths contract (which I planned to renew anyway).
I'll continue enjoying the good ol' N900 in the mean time.

I am thinking about going with Digitech... but I would rather opt for a cyan one. The offer I got today for a 2 yr contract extension was 40 SFr better than when I asked them for a quote a month ago, which really suprised me.

Anyway, I'm still contemplating... Especially because right now I don't feel it's a complete replacement for our beloved N900.

vitaminj

10-05-2011, 06:34 PM

Good grief. "devel-su" to go superuser. Password is "rootme". vi is available by default, nano and other useful bits are available if you install "utilities" in the developer mode screen.

aironeous

10-05-2011, 06:41 PM

So I asked Rene at mobile city some questions about the N9 and told him I would post his answers on here. He said it was ok.

From: A**** ***** [mailto:***********65@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 5:39 PM
To: ******@mobilecityonline.com
Subject: The Nokia N9

1) You have only the black 16gb version listed for pre-order why not the cyan or magenta?

We don’t post the rest until we are sure of what we have in stock.

Do you know which variant your 16gb will be. The variants are listed here

http://mynokiablog.com/2011/10/03/nokia-n9-product-code-and-variants-shows-uk-ireland-model/

No I don’t, the first models that we can get our hands on are the ones we going to listed.

3) Do you have an idea when you will get them in?

We have an email alert for each item that is preorder, if you don’t want to lock the preorder price you can just leave your email, and you will be notified when the item becomes available.

4) When you get them in will you immediately change the pre-order to available please?

Yes

5) Some might order from you online that are not in the US since Nokia is not delivering to their country, would they still get the free shipping deal if they pre-order?

If no can you give approximate price range of shipping by continent?

We don’t ship outside the U.S. except Canada.

6) Will you be able to get a hold of a volume of them or will you have very little to sell? Feedback on the web seems to indicate you will sell out quickly

no matter how much you have.?

It all depends on our feed back or the amount of preorders.

7) Can you say what area in Europe your N9's are coming from?

Not at this time.

qwazix

10-05-2011, 06:47 PM

I've got a question for N9/50 owners. Is it possible to do x-forwarding as a server? i.e. to show Harmattan apps on a linux box? N900 lacked this functionality.

Also does anyone know how multitouch is implemented? Standard multiple xinputs as in gnome or some closed source trickery?

scapegoat845

10-05-2011, 06:59 PM

warrentaye

10-05-2011, 07:19 PM

afaq

10-05-2011, 07:49 PM

Steve jobs dead? Is this true. Wow. Sad news.

abill_uk

10-05-2011, 07:52 PM

Yes it is true, he was only 56 WOW.

rfa

10-05-2011, 07:52 PM

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6169/6215389543_181d4fe0b5.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rfa31/6215389543/)
N9 Bus (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rfa31/6215389543/) by rfa31 (http://www.flickr.com/people/rfa31/), on Flickr

Limited release?

Nokia (Australia) is promoting this (see TV ads etc) quite heavily - in Sydney

abill_uk

10-05-2011, 07:59 PM

I can confirm Negri electronics expecting shipments in next week also, for anyone in the US wanting to order.

No clue on how much or when but its the only place I have heard of having any clue about getting shipments.

I looked on there site and nothing about N9 at all, do you have a link?.

NB got it... here is the link

http://negrielectronics.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=n9&x=14&y=4&order=relevance&dir=desc

strongm

10-05-2011, 08:13 PM

The ITU changed their definition to include HSPA+ .

No, they didn't. They issued a carefully worded press release in December of last year that, if read carefully, simply accepts that some advanced 3G technologies were being called 4G (rather than saying that they should be so called). They then somewhat oddly refused to comment any further, allowing US marketeers to (continue to) abuse the term.

However, in June of this year Hamadoun Touré, Secratary-General of the ITU, went on record to say LTE Advanced and WiMAX Advanced are so far "the only air interfaces that represent true 4G-compliant technologies" - which is in accordance with the definition produced prior to the misleading press release.

cincibluer6

10-05-2011, 08:14 PM

So who have we confirmed for US then without a bunch of hoops?

US (IIRC)
-Negri Electronics (@warranteye)
-Mobile City (@aironeous)

Outside US but can ship here
-Expansys (FR and CA?)
-Some other CA company right? I can't remember the name off the top of my head.

strongm

10-05-2011, 08:16 PM

just trying to fulfill stock to Europe before the countries that arnt meant to be getting it?
I'd imagine there's a strong element of this, yes.

gerbick

10-05-2011, 08:18 PM

Limited release?

Many people are stating that it is not a limited release in terms of production; that part will continue for a while. The limited release is mostly in respect to where it'll be sold.

mikecomputing

10-05-2011, 08:28 PM

Steve Jobs dead :/ Sad even if most of us dont like Apple he did a great job for that company and he also was a techgeek like us.

http://apple.com

daviss

10-05-2011, 10:09 PM

Didn't qgil confirm all the language pack are included, which would include languages for input.
It was in a meego thread, someone was designing a Mandarin input app...

afaik the demo unit din come wif mandarin pack..promoter says it wil comes in comin updates..duno how true is tat..

slai

10-05-2011, 10:59 PM

Still debating on which size, 16 or 64GB. Since this has mass storage mode, i usually do a backup & delete pics & vids on my devices. Any idea how much memory apps will eat up ? Advice please, thanks....

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Z7tOyn75E40/Torf-9fn_uI/AAAAAAAAAwQ/xnnY_JDXvnI/s720/2011-10-03_12-27-46.png

scapegoat845

10-05-2011, 11:03 PM

U guys should follow... I believe Jakiman's ? Twitter account for his blog. @shootspeak .Just got his N9, & is tweeting away about read/write speeds & VKB performance.... Good stuff

slai

10-05-2011, 11:07 PM

Im still confused as to "whoami" gives a "user" in terminal on my N9. any ideas?

asianmoomoo

10-05-2011, 11:20 PM

steve jobs was a great leader. RIP.

abill_uk

10-05-2011, 11:23 PM

steve jobs was a great leader. RIP.

Wrong thread !.

slai

10-05-2011, 11:27 PM

shallimus

10-05-2011, 11:33 PM

Because it is much easier to avoid fraud / make the barriers higher for "customers" for them as the seller if they insist on wire/bank transfer for foreigners instead of accepting CC data. Remember, it's not only about you, but also protecting them.
I see what you're saying, but I disagree: when I'm waving around the best part of US$1000, it's only about me.

shallimus

10-05-2011, 11:34 PM

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-deFyOFmAT9s/To0fyMx7wrI/AAAAAAAAAw8/t6O8cU4grCM/s720/2011-10-05_05-24-46.png

Why?

I ls -al and see root all over. i try whoami and get "user". i try the mv thing and permission denied. wtf is going on here.
The 'root' in the ls output means that root owns the file, not that you are root. 'whoami' is correctly telling you that you are logged in as user. You must become root to mess with files owned by root (e.g. to create a file in /etc/apt).

As you are not already aware of this, I wish you luck in modifying these files without screwing up your device on some way. You're gonna need it ;)

slai

10-05-2011, 11:42 PM

shallimus

10-05-2011, 11:59 PM

hehe nothing really horrible can happen, im not gonna go all Swordfish and wreck stuff. Its a simple "make a ****ing file" task. I had none of this in maemo5. it was just "sudo gainroot" and off i went.

My issue here is that EVERYWHERE ive looked i get the information that "once you switch on developer mode, you have full root", and theres nothing I could find that suggests theres anything else you have to do.

In addition the ls -al command gave "user" across the board instead of "root" several times last night, which made me think it had something to do with this.
Um, I'll help you once I get an N9! ;)

Places like /etc will always be owned by root (unless something is very weird).

If you post links and specific output from the device, I or someone will try to help you. For now though, I don't know how to get root on an N9 - sorry.

SamGan

10-06-2011, 12:01 AM

Hi, does anybody know where to get an ebook reader for N9? I notice there are some in Maemo5, will they work on N9?

slai

10-06-2011, 12:02 AM

Yeah me neither, thats whats weird, seeing as Nokia has said that you just need developer mode enabled and youll have full root as far as I know.

Yeah, I knew I had to be root do do anything outside of MyDocs basically, at least thats how the N900 worked in my mind back in the "edit yo *** a reboot button on the powermenu" days.

Seems strange. I guess Ill have to wait for Lindegaard to tell me how the flying ballsack he did what Im trying to do here.

SamGan

10-06-2011, 12:11 AM

Still debating on which size, 16 or 64GB. Since this has mass storage mode, i usually do a backup & delete pics & vids on my devices. Any idea how much memory apps will eat up ? Advice please, thanks....

Apps won't take up lot of storage. The crucial factor is how much music you have. I have 150 albums which take up 12GB so 16GB is definitely not enough for me. If you don't see your music growing beyond 10GB, I'll say 16GB is enough.

slai

10-06-2011, 12:13 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BsmDvgT9VYM

Okay, so here are what will be installed if you install EVERYTHING from developer mode:

devtools-debug
maemo-debug-scripts
gdb

devtools-networking
tcpdump

devtools-memory
valgrind
sp-memusage
sp-enduance
sp-endurance-postproc
sp-smaps-measure
sp-smaps-visualize
xrestop

devtools-power
energy-profiler

devtools-performance
oprofile
swaplogger
xresponse
htop

devtools-tracking
strace
latrace
functracer
sp-rtrace
sp-rtrace-visualize
xtrace

devtools-automation
xnee
sp-stress

devtools-utilities
wget
nano
x11-utils

devtools-logging
sysklogd
sp-timestamp

Just to clear that up.

slai

10-06-2011, 12:14 AM

The crucial factor is how much music you have. I have 150 albums which take up 12GB so 16GB is definitely not enough for me. If you don't see your music growing beyond 10GB, I'll say 16GB is enough.

Or you use spotify and avoid the entire issue.

Rugoz

10-06-2011, 12:19 AM

Or you use spotify and avoid the entire issue.

I guess if you want to listen to music on your mobile you have to store it locally even with spotify.

slai

10-06-2011, 12:21 AM

I thought the point of spotify was streaming the bastards so it didnt take up space.

danramos

10-06-2011, 12:22 AM

did ls -al and it shows root across the board.

Trying the "vi" thing :P .

This happens after i hit enter "vi /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mymoves.list":

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-UkByL0NLMT8/TozB2sCldTI/AAAAAAAAAwY/onvH9NFNR1U/s720/2011-10-04_22-44-09.png

And nothing happens if i try to write stuff. If i press "d" though it says "Delete 1 lines (1 chars) using [D]".

To start inserting, you can press "i"... when you're done typing, you can press ESC to go back to command mode, where you can type commands starting with a colon (":")... i.e. to save and quit...
:wq

(the colon means you're giving a command, w means "write the file" and "q" means quit)

This assumes you gave the filename at the command line, if you only launched vi without a filename (i.e.: only just typed "vi" ) you can insert text and finally write out the file with a filename like this:

:w /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mymoves.list

and then later quit with:

:q

If you've made a horrible, horrible mistake and you want to quit without writing the file without the changes you've made since loading, you can quit with a panic, like so:

:q!

This will tell vi to just quit without writing anything.

I hope this helped.

Rugoz

10-06-2011, 12:24 AM

I thought the point of spotify was streaming the bastards so it didnt take up space.

I think the point is to have unlimited music. Streaming is not an option for me, you'd need an unlimited data plan, good reception everywhere you go and unlimited battery life. When I was listening to internet radio on my N900 battery was run-down pretty fast.

slai

10-06-2011, 12:27 AM

Oh, I just assume people have good reception everywhere they go, have a usb cable and have a shitton of mb included in their monthlies :( .

its very very common over here. i think 98% of the country has GSM network, and 3g isnt far behind iirc.

sorry for making assumptions.

danramos

10-06-2011, 12:27 AM

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-deFyOFmAT9s/To0fyMx7wrI/AAAAAAAAAw8/t6O8cU4grCM/s720/2011-10-05_05-24-46.png

Why?

I ls -al and see root all over. i try whoami and get "user". i try the mv thing and permission denied. wtf is going on here.

This seems normal. As a normal user you shouldn't be able to write files out to anything in /etc like that. Precede the mv command with a sudo. i.e.:

sudo mv /home/user/MyDocs/Downloads/mymoves.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/

(You don't need to retype the filename at the end, if the destination is a folder... and to be safe, end the folder name with a / so you can get notified whether it had properly put it into an existing directory or else it'll create a FILE with the name sources.list.d if you don't.)

Again, hope that helps. Seems like common Linuxy stuff, so far.

SamGan

10-06-2011, 12:49 AM

I thought the point of spotify was streaming the bastards so it didnt take up space.

But that require data usage and only practical if you have an unlimited data plan.

aironeous

10-06-2011, 12:55 AM

hehe nothing really horrible can happen, im not gonna go all Swordfish and wreck stuff. Its a simple "make a ****ing file" task. I had none of this in maemo5. it was just "sudo gainroot" and off i went.

My issue here is that EVERYWHERE ive looked i get the information that "once you switch on developer mode, you have full root", and theres nothing I could find that suggests theres anything else you have to do.

In addition the ls -al command gave "user" across the board instead of "root" several times last night, which made me think it had something to do with this.
You might have luck in this long thread called N9 and aegis on the meego forums. Javispedro and others were having a long criticism about something along these lines about how restricting aegis is. This is way above my understanding but I think that thread might help you.

Rugoz

10-06-2011, 12:58 AM

its very very common over here. i think 98% of the country has GSM network, and 3g isnt far behind iirc.

as you can imagine switzerland is quite hilly, so while its difficult to find a location without reception constant high data throughput is another matter.

buchanmilne

10-06-2011, 01:34 AM

That's simply not true at all, otherwise there would be no reason for networks to switch to it.

There is a reason. Marketing.

In South Africa, most cell towers are backhauled by 155Mbps ATM. One network has all their towers backhauled by 600Mbps metro-ethernet. Most networks advertise 42Mbps, while the network with 600Mbps backhaul everywhere advertises 21Mbps.

Please tell me which one is going to give you better bandwidth and latency ...

jalyst

10-06-2011, 02:14 AM

slai

10-06-2011, 02:32 AM

This seems normal. As a normal user you shouldn't be able to write files out to anything in /etc like that. Precede the mv command with a sudo. i.e.:

sudo mv /home/user/MyDocs/Downloads/mymoves.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/

(You don't need to retype the filename at the end, if the destination is a folder... and to be safe, end the folder name with a / so you can get notified whether it had properly put it into an existing directory or else it'll create a FILE with the name sources.list.d if you don't.)

Again, hope that helps. Seems like common Linuxy stuff, so far.

whats weird is that i should have root once developer mode is switched on, no? maybe ive misunderstood it and you need something.

jakiman

10-06-2011, 02:35 AM

Some parts of it is N900 deja vu.

e.g. I deleted the default MP3 music files it had in /MyDocs/Music/. Then copied my own mp3 files. It saw my new ones but still thinks that it had the original ones also. But then it can't play them and throws an error a the file is missing. There is no way to refresh the library manually from what I can see.

So had to enable developer mode (which installs xterminal app for you) and then had to run "tracker-control --hard-reset". Few seconds later, voila, old record is gone and now only sees what it should see.

Glad I was an N900 owner. =P

Cue

10-06-2011, 02:39 AM

There is a reason. Marketing.

In South Africa, most cell towers are backhauled by 155Mbps ATM. One network has all their towers backhauled by 600Mbps metro-ethernet. Most networks advertise 42Mbps, while the network with 600Mbps backhaul everywhere advertises 21Mbps.

Please tell me which one is going to give you better bandwidth and latency ...

That cannot be answered since the bottleneck could be anywhere. You also haven't given any real latency information, only vague information about their infrastructure. The best possible way is to be pragmatic about it and test it, much like the available tests there are of HSPA+ and regular HSDPA. But rest assured that if the one with 21Mbps could legally advertise a higher bandwidth but isn't, then they are not doing their job properly. The launch of HSPA+ has been a "soft launch" at least here where I live so marketing has nothing to do with it.

jakiman

10-06-2011, 02:46 AM

Does any one know how to change the system fonts in N9? It cannot display Korean characters and this is just driving me insane.

abill_uk

10-06-2011, 02:48 AM

It would be a good idea if a new thread could be started for all the tech side of the N9 post release to leave this one for people who still want to aquire the N9.

abill_uk

10-06-2011, 02:49 AM

whats weird is that i should have root once developer mode is switched on, no? maybe ive misunderstood it and you need something.

Slai could you be the one to start a new thread for the techy side of the N9?.

You were probably one of the very first to get it and the most active.

PS we all need your input too ;).

ajalkane

10-06-2011, 02:53 AM

My issue here is that EVERYWHERE ive looked i get the information that "once you switch on developer mode, you have full root", and theres nothing I could find that suggests theres anything else you have to do.

In addition the ls -al command gave "user" across the board instead of "root" several times last night, which made me think it had something to do with this.

I STRONGLY recommend not to mess around with root owned files/directories at the moment. Not until N9 gets a flasher so that you can reinstall the firmware. Last I checked the flasher for N9 is not yet available.

The /etc directory is protected by Harmattan's security framework aegis, so just being root is often not enough to modify the files. Also, the security policy is such that if you modify some files that are deemed "critical", aegis will force the device into "malfunctioning" state which you can't fix without reflashing.

Anyway, someone already posted the correct instructions. After installing the developer tools, you should have "devel-su" command. Run that, the password is "rootme". After that you should be able to modify the files. But I recommend you to wait until N9 has flasher.

mike_shenoda

10-06-2011, 03:00 AM

one q for sali ,,it seems from ur q regarding fb in the event screen that it is not a push way which mean u must click refresh to get the new stories can u plz confirm so ? thnx

jahaugum

10-06-2011, 03:08 AM

slai: Did you see this:

Good grief. "devel-su" to go superuser. Password is "rootme". vi is available by default, nano and other useful bits are available if you install "utilities" in the developer mode screen.

Just run devel-su and you will become root.

slai

10-06-2011, 03:09 AM

one q for sali ,,it seems from ur q regarding fb in the event screen that it is not a push way which mean u must click refresh to get the new stories can u plz confirm so ? thnx

no, it autosyncs with a set user interval. what question are you referring to?

thanks for the warning, im not going to mess around with root. just add a file so i can use a very promising app =)

Appreciate all the help, guys and gals.

toki

10-06-2011, 03:10 AM

just uploaded by Nokia australis

original Oz ad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRupWeQEIXk&feature=uploademail
shorter version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWauMwSwZ8U&feature=uploademail
entirely new one done by a celebrity (kinda) here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRxbXOzg1wY&feature=uploademail

aww but i posted that up a few days ago already.. =P

anywho, here are the rest of the 'celebrety' ads =]
http://thenokiablog.com/2011/10/05/nokia-n9-beautifully-simple/

aironeous

10-06-2011, 03:31 AM

I STRONGLY recommend not to mess around with root owned files/directories at the moment. Not until N9 gets a flasher so that you can reinstall the firmware. Last I checked the flasher for N9 is not yet available.

The /etc directory is protected by Harmattan's security framework aegis, so just being root is often not enough to modify the files. Also, the security policy is such that if you modify some files that are deemed "critical", aegis will force the device into "malfunctioning" state which you can't fix without reflashing.

Anyway, someone already posted the correct instructions. After installing the developer tools, you should have "devel-su" command. Run that, the password is "rootme". After that you should be able to modify the files. But I recommend you to wait until N9 has flasher.

Told ya slai

ajalkane

10-06-2011, 03:33 AM

Oh I'll just add an additional warning... I would also recommend against activating the developer mode until the N9 flasher becomes available. Someone in the MeeGo forum posted that something went wrong when activating the developer mode and the device went into malfunctioning state, and is thus unusable until the flasher becomes available :-P.

rfa

10-06-2011, 03:48 AM

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6172/6216303983_d00ffc026d.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rfa31/6216303983/)
N9 Crazy John's - Bondi Junction (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rfa31/6216303983/) by rfa31 (http://www.flickr.com/people/rfa31/), on Flickr

They have 2 in stock, $55/month * 24 months

danramos

10-06-2011, 03:50 AM

whats weird is that i should have root once developer mode is switched on, no? maybe ive misunderstood it and you need something.

I'm not sure you understand the idea of accounts and roles. You are, normally, 'user'. To do anything as the 'root' user, you need to issue a command that allows other commands (like the 'mv' command or even a shell that you can perform multiple commands in). The idea that toggling developer mode does something that you described as 'gives you root' sounds odd. What I imagine it probably does is disable the ability to be able to issue commands as the root user--hence, turning on developer mode simple permits a sudoers privilege that lets the 'user' go ahead and issue things like 'su' or 'sudo' to be able to issue root access commands.

Also, I have to agree with the previous post that said that you should probably wait until there's a flasher and image available. There's no point in bricking your device already. I would hope that there's plenty of hacky snacky stuff you can already do without needing to root it.

Grazy

10-06-2011, 05:29 AM

is it out in croatia yet? My girlfriends going for a few days! I'm hoping she could pick me one up!!

olympus

10-06-2011, 05:46 AM

is it out in croatia yet? My girlfriends going for a few days! I'm hoping she could pick me one up!!

I'm sorry to say this but no.

slai

10-06-2011, 06:13 AM

I'm not sure you understand the idea of accounts and roles. You are, normally, 'user'.

yeah, that makes total sense. long time, no terminal.

thank you =)

sponka

10-06-2011, 06:13 AM

Which version will be for Slovenia? Balkan, Central European ... or smth else?

noetus

10-06-2011, 06:20 AM

Steve Jobs dead :/ Sad even if most of us dont like Apple he did a great job for that company and he also was a techgeek like us.

http://apple.com

Probably we wouldn't have a phone like the N9 without Steve Jobs. Even if you don't like Apple's products, you gotta admit he really shook up the industry, for the better.

slai

10-06-2011, 06:20 AM

small issue with the browser: you cant scroll in textboxes like the one im typing in right now. annoying when quotereplying to posts with text that outranges the textbox.

also, when deleting text in them you get small graphical glithes like blacl dots under the deleted text.

scapegoat845

10-06-2011, 07:39 AM

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Z7tOyn75E40/Torf-9fn_uI/AAAAAAAAAwQ/xnnY_JDXvnI/s720/2011-10-03_12-27-46.png

You just got your phone, & your already half way there with 2 out of 4.2GB ? Guess i'll go for the 64GB, unless i'm missing something...

scapegoat845

10-06-2011, 07:40 AM

Apps won't take up lot of storage. The crucial factor is how much music you have. I have 150 albums which take up 12GB so 16GB is definitely not enough for me. If you don't see your music growing beyond 10GB, I'll say 16GB is enough.
It sure seems like they do ^^

marrat

10-06-2011, 07:48 AM

Hmmm... that guy from Denmark has another batch of 64 GB N9s on eBay... This time only 4 of them. But stating there are in stock and ready to be shipped.

He said mine is going to be shipped today. I wonder where he gets those from? Since the N9 is on sale in Denmark since last Friday they shouldn't be too hard to find there?

Seeing that his feedbacks are all for Nokia phones, maybe he has some special connection where gets them cheap?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nokia-N9-64-GB-unlocked-STOCK-AND-READY-SHIPPED-/290617256117?_trksid=p5197.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D3%26po%3D LVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D3283798129897455786#ht_761 wt_1209

bwalter

10-06-2011, 07:58 AM

You just got your phone, & your already half way there with 2 out of 4.2GB ? Guess i'll go for the 64GB, unless i'm missing something...

The 2GB are probably used by the OS itself. It is more difficult than you think to install more than 2GB of apps (excluding data....). In my opinion, the need for storage is often overestimated (unless you plan to install thousands of apps or have a huge music/video collection....).

scapegoat845

10-06-2011, 08:22 AM

@slai, Where is the call log displayed ? (Missed, received, outgoing calls) Events view ?

abill_uk

10-06-2011, 08:23 AM

Pierre Manslapper

10-06-2011, 08:23 AM

There's a natural product called "AtoB calm. You mix it with hot water drink that. It's basically calcium and magnesium and a some powdered vinegar it calms your muscles and nerves.

There's another natural product called natural sleep you can get from lef.org and that's the sleep hormone and some milk peptides.
You take that and sip some atob and you're going to sleep within an hour.

I'm trying to adjust without the use of stuff like this, but anyway thanks for the info.

abill_uk

10-06-2011, 08:29 AM

I'm trying to adjust without the use of stuff like this, but anyway thanks for the info.

I never realised this was a doctors thread for sleepless people :rolleyes:.

Excersize is the best way to get sleep pattern right especially if it is sexercise ;).

scapegoat845

10-06-2011, 08:35 AM

The 2GB are probably used by the OS itself. It is more difficult than you think to install more than 2GB of apps (excluding data....). In my opinion, the need for storage is often overestimated (unless you plan to install thousands of apps or have a huge music/video collection....).

I guess u r right. My wife has yet to fill up a 16GB iP4, with a ton of apps, pics, & videos. Although, i just backed it up, & some apps are in the 20-30 mb range. I guess from all the updates... ?

bbin

10-06-2011, 08:42 AM

Is there a possibility for a lockscreen with a code in n9?

MortenS

10-06-2011, 08:46 AM

Does anyone know how/if N9 will work with mobile security software like "Afaria"?

My company won't let me connect to my MfE without the phone running Afaria. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1104032#post1104032

scapegoat845

10-06-2011, 08:47 AM

Is it even possible for sum1 to build an app that can videocall to an iP4 thru facetime ? Sorry, wife & friends have iP4's...

jakiman

10-06-2011, 08:52 AM

jakiman

10-06-2011, 08:54 AM

Is there a possibility for a lockscreen with a code in n9?

Yes. It's possible. It's just in Settings - Security - Device Lock.

smegheadz

10-06-2011, 09:05 AM

Is it even possible for sum1 to build an app that can videocall to an iP4 thru facetime ? Sorry, wife & friends have iP4's...

very doubtful as it's Apple software. the obvious solution is for them to get skype on their IP4 phones then people on mac's pc's android's n900's and n9's can contact them and visa versa. and you don't have to be on wifi to use skype, works quite well on 3g (depending on network that is)

scapegoat845

10-06-2011, 09:05 AM

Nokia N9 will be available in the UAE, Austria and Switzerland starting tomorrow – October 7th
http://nokiabuff.com/2011/10/06/nokia-n9-will-be-available-in-uae-austria-and-switzerland-starting-tomorrow-october-7/

smegheadz

10-06-2011, 09:06 AM

Here's something I just whipped up before going to bed.

2 camera shots comparison – Nokia N9 vs Nokia N8
Flash and non-flash photograph head to head.
http://wp.me/p

Hope you guys like it. =)

leads to Dougs blog and a nice hello world article. wrong link?

slai

10-06-2011, 09:06 AM

@slai, Where is the call log displayed ? (Missed, received, outgoing calls) Events view ?

its in the phone app. missed calls you havent viewed yet are in the feed ofc, with unread emails and smses.

jakiman

10-06-2011, 09:08 AM

leads to Dougs blog and a nice hello world article. wrong link?

Yeah. That's weird. Guess the short url didn't work. Thanks for that. I've updated the link.
http://shootspeak.com/2011/10/06/2-camera-shots-comparison-nokia-n9-vs-nokia-n8/

scapegoat845

10-06-2011, 09:09 AM

scapegoat845

10-06-2011, 09:10 AM

its in the phone app. missed calls you havent viewed yet are in the feed ofc, with unread emails and smses.

Screenshot of the Log in Phone app ? Thanks....

shallimus

10-06-2011, 09:24 AM

marrat

10-06-2011, 09:32 AM

He has 100% feedback and your paying via paypal... ZERO RISK !!!.

Count the seconds before they are gone.

I already bought one from the first batch for 570 GBP. On Tuesday he told me he will ship it Thursday (that's today) with Denmark Post Exprés... So I should have by Saturday :D

marrat

10-06-2011, 09:34 AM

Amazing shots from the N8.

Of course, N9 firmware update could bring improvements to the image quality - remember the purple tint on the early N95 firmware?

That's why the N8 is still the best phone when you're going on holidays... Had mine on Mallorca with me this summer...

You can't beat having a decent Cam, offline Maps and FM transmitter in this one single device while driving around in a rental car in a foreign country :cool:

slai

10-06-2011, 10:09 AM

Agree, marrat. It was my main camera / GPS when going on a roadtrip in europe for 3 weeks.

Incredible pictures, all taken with and edited on the N8

don_falcone

10-06-2011, 10:28 AM

That's why the N8 is still the best phone when you're going on holidays... Had mine on Mallorca with me this summer...

You can't beat having a decent Cam, offline Maps and FM transmitter in this one single device while driving around in a rental car in a foreign country :cool:

Even almost all of the US compact cars are having AUX In now (and they have much lower trims than compact cars in Europe), so i'm wondering how it's in Europe. In Germany i have a decent JVC deck anyway, but... why do people need the FM transmitter so much? It's 2011... next time people asking for cassette adapters so they can connect their portable CD players to the car's stereo.... :D

JohnHughes

10-06-2011, 10:47 AM

Hmmm... that guy from Denmark has another batch of 64 GB N9s on eBay... This time only 4 of them. But stating there are in stock and ready to be shipped.

[...]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nokia-N9-64-GB-unlocked-STOCK-AND-READY-SHIPPED-/290617256117?_trksid=p5197.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D3%26po%3D LVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D3283798129897455786#ht_761 wt_1209

You bastard, You owe me GBP 590

marrat

10-06-2011, 11:03 AM

You bastard, You owe me GBP 590

:p

So let's hope he really ships them today!

biatch0

10-06-2011, 11:10 AM

Even almost all of the US compact cars are having AUX In now (and they have much lower trims than compact cars in Europe), so i'm wondering how it's in Europe. In Germany i have a decent JVC deck anyway, but... why do people need the FM transmitter so much? It's 2011... next time people asking for cassette adapters so they can connect their portable CD players to the car's stereo.... :DNot every car radio has AUX input (not to mention not everyone walks around with a 3.5mm to 3.5mm stereo cable in their pocket) or bluetooth in... Every car radio has FM reception.

Also, it's 2011, but what % of cars on the road are from 2011?

FM TX isn't really a "NEED", but I'd definitely say it's one of the features I'll miss most from my N900.

EDIT: No offense intended if this message came across as a little rash.

buchanmilne

10-06-2011, 11:24 AM

Even almost all of the US compact cars are having AUX In now ...

My 6-year old Golf 5 TDI doesn't. I would rather have a phone with FMTX than buy a new car (which I don't plan on doing for the next 2 years), or buy a different system for the car *just* for aux in.

Now, if the N9 gets Nokia Car Link, it might be worthwhile getting that Alpine ICS-X8 and I wouldn't worry about FMTX much.

gerbick

10-06-2011, 11:28 AM

My 4 year old Mustang came with a AUX. It matters on your make, model and package.

My newer Pioneer replacement has AUX, USB and allows for Bluetooth streaming. I don't even use FM Radio, find it annoying while traveling to always have to locate and seek for a signal, use XM Radio instead.

Different uses for different people. That's what you guys are discussing at the moment.

And for the record, there's been quite a bit of good hands-on information about the released Nokia N9. I'm not saying that this thread needs to be renamed, but I think that a lot of the better, actual discussion needs to be in a new thread and this thread for the continued areas and discussions for the folks not in the areas where the N9 has been released and we're still discussion, speculating and ranting about that.

Just a thought.

don_falcone

10-06-2011, 11:39 AM

My 6-year old Golf 5 TDI doesn't. I would rather have a phone with FMTX than buy a new car (which I don't plan on doing for the next 2 years), or buy a different system for the car *just* for aux in.

Now, if the N9 gets Nokia Car Link, it might be worthwhile getting that Alpine ICS-X8 and I wouldn't worry about FMTX much.

Are you guys happy with the stock audio systems? I have replaced the stock systems or installed an aftermarket one for every car i owned, and they were as old as 13 years. It's the manufacturer's fault that they provide you mostly lowtech sets. Like Volkswagen who liked to charge a premium for their integrated crap that you get better performance out of a 60EUR aftermarket stereo, or BMW that did not even provide USB or SD interfaces in their premium sets like 3 or 4 years ago.

Maybe i'm not changing cars as often as you guys seem to do, but when i get a rental, i always prepare with a thumbdrive and a stereo cable. (I never use the N900 for audio anyway, that's what the Cowon is for.)

ceroberts75

10-06-2011, 11:42 AM

anyone know how to get the xterminal to open?

marrat

10-06-2011, 11:48 AM

Oh mighty N9, could you please say hi to TMO community members?

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/3872/dsc00246resize.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/717/dsc00246resize.jpg/)

We should open a new thread for this! Name it like "My N9 arrived, says hello to TMO"...

and everyone receiving his/her N9 posts a photo with a personal greeting message :)

Vaskinn

10-06-2011, 11:51 AM

Oh mighty N9, could you please say hi to TMO community members?

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/3872/dsc00246resize.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/717/dsc00246resize.jpg/)

I think you broke your N9. There are some strange sybols where there are supposed to be letters :D

marxian

10-06-2011, 11:53 AM

anyone know how to get the xterminal to open?

You need to activate developer mode and install the additional packages.

marrat

10-06-2011, 11:54 AM

Wohooo.... my N9 will leave Denmark tonight and is going on its way to Germany via Express delivery... I'm starting to feel like a child just before Christmas... :-)

erendorn

10-06-2011, 12:02 PM

I never realised this was a doctors thread for sleepless people :rolleyes:.

Excersize is the best way to get sleep pattern right especially if it is sexercise ;).

True but with the following caveat: exercise up to 4 hours before bedtime is actualy bad for sleep because of the level of exercise related hormones you still cary in your blood (as these are stimulant).
Also the case for eating (no the same cause, still bad, digestion prevent durable sleep (but not napping ;) ))
Bed exercise is OK as it also provides endorphine which is good for sleep.

:)

hotnikkelz

10-06-2011, 12:08 PM

Nisse

10-06-2011, 12:12 PM

offtopic...

Rumoured specs of new Samsung Nexus prime
Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich
9mm thin
4.65-inch 1280 x 720-pixel Super AMOLED HD with curved glass
TI OMAP 4460 dual-core Cortex A9 processor clocked at 1.2GHz
1GB of RAM
32GB of built-in storage
5-megapixel camera on the back, 1.3-megapixel in the front
1080p HD video capture support
LTE/HSPA depending on carrier
Wi-Fi a/b/g/n
NFC
1,750 mAh battery

From BGR?, those guys has the worst record of all: loose rumours and zero credibility.

marrat

10-06-2011, 12:13 PM

offtopic...

Rumoured specs of new Samsung Nexus prime
Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich
9mm thin
4.65-inch 1280 x 720-pixel Super AMOLED HD with curved glass
TI OMAP 4460 dual-core Cortex A9 processor clocked at 1.2GHz
1GB of RAM
32GB of built-in storage
5-megapixel camera on the back, 1.3-megapixel in the front
1080p HD video capture support
LTE/HSPA depending on carrier
Wi-Fi a/b/g/n
NFC
1,750 mAh battery

Yes, but still an Android... last few Android devices I played around with in the last months are not very appealing to me...

And the 4,65" display is too large for my taste.

bbin

10-06-2011, 12:16 PM

offtopic...

Rumoured specs of new Samsung Nexus prime
Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich
9mm thin
4.65-inch 1280 x 720-pixel Super AMOLED HD with curved glass
TI OMAP 4460 dual-core Cortex A9 processor clocked at 1.2GHz
1GB of RAM
32GB of built-in storage
5-megapixel camera on the back, 1.3-megapixel in the front
1080p HD video capture support
LTE/HSPA depending on carrier
Wi-Fi a/b/g/n
NFC
1,750 mAh battery

Nice specs. Too bad it's Android and has overlarge screen :D

bwalter

10-06-2011, 12:19 PM

Why is each MHz, each mAh and each byte RAM so important? What really matters is the quality of the software, for both performance and user experience.

Samsung produce devices which can be compared to this thread. The numbers are great :)

offtopic...

Rumoured specs of new Samsung Nexus prime
Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich
9mm thin
4.65-inch 1280 x 720-pixel Super AMOLED HD with curved glass
TI OMAP 4460 dual-core Cortex A9 processor clocked at 1.2GHz
1GB of RAM
32GB of built-in storage
5-megapixel camera on the back, 1.3-megapixel in the front
1080p HD video capture support
LTE/HSPA depending on carrier
Wi-Fi a/b/g/n
NFC
1,750 mAh battery

eaglehelang

10-06-2011, 12:27 PM

offtopic...

Rumoured specs of new Samsung Nexus prime
Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich
9mm thin
4.65-inch 1280 x 720-pixel Super AMOLED HD with curved glass
..

Screen size too big for me. Battery life issues of Android. Durability issues of Samsung -personal bad experience

ceroberts75

10-06-2011, 12:37 PM

You need to activate developer mode and install the additional packages.

can you please direct to get the packages?

smegheadz

10-06-2011, 12:38 PM

i second that gerbick, i was going to say this thread should be renamed to something like "general N9 discussion/sinkhole)" :)

in depth discussions on particular area's of the n9 should be in a new thread so as to help people in finding relevant information without sifting through 9000 posts. were already seeing some dedicated threads popping up so viva le revolution!! death to this threads name!!

hayman

10-06-2011, 12:40 PM

Wohooo.... my N9 will leave Denmark tonight and is going on its way to Germany via Express delivery... I'm starting to feel like a child just before Christmas... :-)

how much have you pay for the N9 64GB ... ?
thanx

smegheadz

10-06-2011, 12:40 PM

can you please direct to get the packages?

if you can't figure this bit out i STRONGLY recommend you stop here and wait until the N9 flasher and image are available and working because you are a prime candidate for bricking the phone.

better to wait a little while longer before playing with that side of it.

c0ld

10-06-2011, 12:53 PM

Can someone give me an update on the Appstore?

Is it likes Googles where it is shown if the App connects to say the Internet etc?

marrat

10-06-2011, 12:58 PM

how much have you pay for the N9 64GB ... ?
thanx

I have paid 570 GBP (about 660 €) for it, including shipping.

hayman

10-06-2011, 01:03 PM

I have paid 570 GBP (about 660 €) for it, including shipping.

wow nice do you have the site,and how much the 16 GB will cost there ... ?

xerxes2

10-06-2011, 01:03 PM

The free appstore seems to be live now!
http://apps.formeego.org

It doesn't seem to work just yet but hopefully it's pretty close now. My guess is that it will have more than thousand apps before christmas. :)

marrat

10-06-2011, 01:09 PM

wow nice do you have the site,and how much the 16 GB will cost there ... ?

I bought it from the guy on eBay who is selling N9s from Denmark

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nokia-N9-64-GB-unlocked-STOCK-AND-READY-SHIPPED-/290617256117?_trksid=p5197.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D3%26po%3D LVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D3283798129897455786#ht_761 wt_1209

When I bought it, the price was still at 570,- and the listing is now done.... However, this was not his first batch, so maybe he puts up another.

slarti

10-06-2011, 01:23 PM

:mad:

Damn you Nokia! I used to be able to get every new Nokia from the flagship store in Helsinki before the rest of the world. Now our neighbor countries and effing aussies (no offense aussies) get it before us!:mad::mad::mad:

Well, I guess it's someone elses turn to be Nokias guinea pigs...:rolleyes:

ceroberts75

10-06-2011, 01:41 PM

You bastard, You owe me GBP 590

he just sold out.

i was about to send a question and it ended!

vetsin

10-06-2011, 01:46 PM

Be carefull of the culture over there and make sure they dont try to rip you off, when asian families help you they expect a lot in return so be carefull ok ;).

i'm trying not to be offended here abill. it's not really like how you put it. Filipinos value their family much and when you've been accepted as part of the family you'll get the perks and the responsibilities. we won't rip you off, we just expect that you'd be willing to give as much as we do, not just in terms of cash. though it is true that most people here think that foreigners have more money but that does not seem to be aironeous' case. his soon to be family knows that he doesn't have much, so they're not expecting much from him either. sorry for being OT, just felt the need to get it straight.

mikecomputing

10-06-2011, 02:21 PM

Here's something I just whipped up before going to bed.

2 camera shots comparison – Nokia N9 vs Nokia N8
Flash and non-flash photograph head to head.
http://shootspeak.com/2011/10/06/2-camera-shots-comparison-nokia-n9-vs-nokia-n8/

Hope you guys like it. =)

That was dissapoiting N9 looks crap in comparission too n8.

I Really dont get how the **** Nokia thinks.

They have to many variants of hiendphones. On is best for photos one has NFC one run Meego and the rest crapos.

Seriously why dont make ONE cool device who has most of the stuff GOOD.

That means: running Meego Harmattan and Swipe. Has good Camera, has NFC with secframework. Good mediafunctionality!

I guess they soon will have a new Nokia N8-01 device but still with broken crap Symbian ****OS and with ripoff Android Belle.

mikecomputing

10-06-2011, 02:29 PM

Wow. That N8 is insane. Almost makes me not want an N9, Almost. :D

Yeah except it runs the most crappiest OS ever.

If it had run Meego Harmattan I had got for it!

mikecomputing

10-06-2011, 02:31 PM

Amazing shots from the N8.

Of course, N9 firmware update could bring improvements to the image quality - remember the purple tint on shots taken with the early N95 firmware?

no way the camera team is probadly slaves under WP ****one stratregy now :( or some crappy new Symbian 8-01

aironeous

10-06-2011, 02:40 PM

From the Denmark (I think female I can't tell from the name) on ebay here is the message he/she just sent

Dear *******,

Hi A****

Your phone is now packed and ready to be shipped, and I've just
finished filling out all the papers. I have decided to ship it with post
express, even though it's very expensive, furthermore I have chosen the
option of having track and trace - so you can follow your package all the
way home.

The courier will be here tonight, and collect the packages to
the distribution centers, so it gets to the right place - your place :)
After this I will provide you with your track and trace, and write you an
instruction, how to track and trace your package. If the courier comes late
tonight, and I'm tired, i will send the instruction and track and trace,
when i wake up tomorrow.

Last thing i want to say, and it's the most
important part - WHAT A GREAT PHONE!! :) I really like the new Meego on the
N9, and the swipes is just well working :) and the oled display, is so
crisp!

Best Regards
***** ******

-frankhvamcap

BigBadGuber!

10-06-2011, 02:53 PM

Steve Jobs famous words: “It’s not the consumers’ job to know what they want.”

aironeous

10-06-2011, 02:56 PM

he just sold out.

i was about to send a question and it ended!

Aren't you guys glad I posted it up on here? So far he/she is sold 10 on here.
Actually i wasn't the first to post it I was the second.

Oh yeah. Comes with this
http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-H375-Bluetooth-Headset-Black/dp/B002AKKEU4

marrat

10-06-2011, 02:57 PM

From the Denmark (I think female I can't tell from the name) on ebay here is the message he/she just sent

....

-frankhvamcap

Yes, seems we all have received the same message. So now waiting until we get our track and trace instructions...

vitaminj

10-06-2011, 03:02 PM

I Really dont get how the **** Nokia thinks.
They have to many variants of hiendphones. On is best for photos one has NFC one run Meego and the rest crapos.

They've always done this "product spam" (http://gizmodo.com/303158), and it's really annoying.
"Sorry, you can't have a phone with everything, you've got to choose a feature to sacrifice."
Even five years ago: This one is missing stereo audio but is otherwise great! This one doesn't do 3G but the audio is amazing! This one takes amazing pictures but runs series 40!
Which is all fine and dandy when you're king of the hill and nobody can touch you, but when the likes of Apple come along and put the very best they can do all into one model and absolutely wipe the floor, you really can't stick with purposefully hobbling your devices in subtle ways just to try to guarantee an upgrade path.
Plus if they didn't do feature spam, they could have only a few models, updated ~yearly and get decent consumer recognition and hype.
Cheap one, small one, one with a keyboard, high-end one. Done.

Hmm, that was a bit rambley

Grazy

10-06-2011, 03:20 PM

Hmmm... that guy from Denmark has another batch of 64 GB N9s on eBay... This time only 4 of them. But stating there are in stock and ready to be shipped.

He said mine is going to be shipped today. I wonder where he gets those from? Since the N9 is on sale in Denmark since last Friday they shouldn't be too hard to find there?

Seeing that his feedbacks are all for Nokia phones, maybe he has some special connection where gets them cheap?

Next time this bloke has some in i would be tempted to get one!

I'm willing to pay 590! hope he has actually got these??? any one bought one from him yet?

maluka

10-06-2011, 03:26 PM

whayong

10-06-2011, 03:34 PM

Yeah except it runs the most crappiest OS ever.

If it had run Meego Harmattan I had got for it!

How is it the crappiest OS ever?

erendorn

10-06-2011, 03:54 PM

How is it the crappiest OS ever?

Because WM6 is not even an OS ;)

delmar

10-06-2011, 03:59 PM

Ive just seen on austrian TV that Mediamarkt.at will have the device in the next days on their shops starting from 599 Euro, which would surely be the 16 GB because the price. They have also an online shop. From Austria it have the European guaranty cause is in EU.

Now it is not mentioned nor in their fisical shops nor online, but take a look the next days at http://www.mediamarkt.at

zapotek

10-06-2011, 04:06 PM

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HARD-RUBBER-RUBBERIZED-COATING-BACK-CASE-COVER-NOKIA-N9-YELLOW-/120782333726?pt=AU_MobilePhoneAccessories&hash=item1c1f30271e#ht_1453wt_905 nice cases for the n9 :)

edit: and this one is realy good :) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gray-Anti-Fingerprint-TPU-Gel-Matte-Frosted-Skin-Case-Cover-Nokia-N9-/320762934285?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item4aaef5f40d#ht_2668wt_1344

shallimus

10-06-2011, 04:07 PM

no way the camera team is probadly slaves under WP ****one stratregy now :(
I'd love to be able to confidently say you're wrong... but you're probably not.

IsaacDFP

10-06-2011, 04:19 PM

zapotek

10-06-2011, 04:21 PM

not only!! a good color for showing off your new n9 :D

danramos

10-06-2011, 04:40 PM

Yes, seems we all have received the same message. So now waiting until we get our track and trace instructions...

Dear sir,

Meet me at the cargo van behind the dumpster in the alley way in downtown. You will be able to buy a genuine knock-off of the N9!

Sincerely,
Elop

Ok good show at least you have ordered it, i hope it arrive to you before you set off to the phillipines.

Be carefull of the culture over there and make sure they dont try to rip you off, when asian families help you they expect a lot in return so be carefull ok ;).

Also, having lived in California, and worked with Philipinos (as well as other Asians) the portrayal you give is not the one I experienced. To be candid, I felt far more welcomed and comfortable with that culture than I was with most others and they never "ripped me off"... it was usually "what's fair is fair" and I LIKED that. Frankly, they were far more generous than that, even. Heh.. I got SO much Philipino treats to go with my tea from a coworker whose wife loved to cook them. :)

I'm not Asian but I kind of felt a pang of offense to read that just the same too. The advice is good--you should be careful not to get ripped off, but I don't know why you wouldn't get just as likely ripped off by an American, Portuguese, Brazilian, Mexican, Nigerian, Russian, Australian or anybody else. Come on.

jalyst

10-06-2011, 04:46 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BsmDvgT9VYM
Okay, so here are what will be installed if you install EVERYTHING from developer mode:

Nice, there's some handy utes there, thanks!

It would be a good idea if a new thread could be started for all the tech side of the N9 post release to leave this one for people who still want to aquire the N9.

I reckon keep this thread for generic discussion as per the title.
And then start a new one titled:
N9 16/64GB: worldwide availability & pricing (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1104354#post1104354)

aww but i posted that up a few days ago already.. =P

Yes you did, about two or three posts after me or me after you, great minds think alike ;)
But the bottom two only recently came to light in the last 24hrs.

anywho, here are the rest of the 'celebrety' ads =]
http://thenokiablog.com/2011/10/05/nokia-n9-beautifully-simple/

Beat me to it again, here's MNB's repost of TNB's story :D
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/10/06/videos-nokia-n9-beautifully-simply-tv-adverts-australia/
Plus Nokia's press release (dated 5th) explaining the whole initiative
http://press.nokia.com.au/nokia-partners-with-nine-entertainment-company-for-the-nokia-n9-launch-campaign/

Now, if the N9 gets Nokia Car Link, it might be worthwhile getting that Alpine ICS-X8 and I wouldn't worry about FMTX much.

I believe it's supposed to be, I'll believe it when I see it though
http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/09/13/putting-nokia-in-the-driving-seat-with-nokia-car-mode/
Nokia only has eyes for Symbian, & soon WP...
As evidenced by the huge array of apps @betalabs Vs Harmattan's minuscule support.

My newer Pioneer replacement has AUX, USB and allows for Bluetooth streaming. I don't even use FM Radio, find it annoying while traveling to always have to locate and seek for a signal, use XM Radio instead.
Different uses for different people. That's what you guys are discussing at the moment

I'm getting a new deck with BT/Aux/DAB+ the whole hog soon.
Time to get up with the times I say, can't wait! :)

That was dissapoiting N9 looks crap in comparission too n8.
I Really dont get how the **** Nokia thinks.
They have to many variants of hiendphones. On is best for photos one has NFC one run Meego and the rest crapos.

You do realise the N8 is insanely good as far as cameraphones go?
N9 will hold it's own against the other top-end smartphones out now.
I do understand your point....
But as a top-end phone, no other top-end handset will be vastly better.
At least for 720p & stills, N9 may end-up besting all of them in that regard.
Before or after software updates... Let's see.

I guess they soon will have a new Nokia N8-01 device but still with broken crap Symbian ****OS and with ripoff Android Belle.

Sigh... spot-on there.... :( :mad:
Symbian (& now WP) is their baby, always was & always will be, until death do they part.

Not sure if jakiman linked to this
http://shootspeak.imgur.com/
May already be in that article of his that he linked to

whayong

10-06-2011, 04:56 PM

Because WM6 is not even an OS ;)

Still doesn't quantify why Symbian is the crappiest OS. Just currious why people think that....

Grazy

10-06-2011, 04:57 PM

I just bought one from the Denmark ebayer!

jalyst

10-06-2011, 05:10 PM

I reckon keep this thread for generic discussion as per the title.
And then start a new one titled:
N9 16/64GB: worldwide availability & pricing (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1104354#post1104354)

I've also started a separate one for accessories:
N9 Accessories: Cases, Car Holders, Gaming, etc (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1104366#post1104366)

Will try to get mod to sticky both later. Good night.

jalyst

10-06-2011, 05:25 PM

I'm not Asian but I kind of felt a pang of offense to read that just the same too. The advice is good--you should be careful not to get ripped off, but I don't know why you wouldn't get just as likely ripped off by an American, Portuguese, Brazilian, Mexican, Nigerian, Russian, Australian or anybody else. Come on.

Precisely. Humans are humans wherever you go...
You have *******s & good people in every culture/society

aironeous

10-06-2011, 05:26 PM

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HARD-RUBBER-RUBBERIZED-COATING-BACK-CASE-COVER-NOKIA-N9-YELLOW-/120782333726?pt=AU_MobilePhoneAccessories&hash=item1c1f30271e#ht_1453wt_905 nice cases for the n9 :)
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Can one of you that owns the N9 take a good look at the case and tell us if you think that ebay case will be easier to swipe with from side to side and up and down than the stock case?

gerbick

10-06-2011, 05:27 PM

Still doesn't quantify why Symbian is the crappiest OS. Just currious why people think that....

This is only my take, but Symbian always felt as if I was doing what it wanted me to do, not a workflow that was intuitive to what I wanted to do in a few instances.

It was somewhat inconsistent and at times, bothersome or controls were not immediately offered. Same for Blackberry OS, imho. I've never been a fan of either, but that's just my personal opinion. I felt the same way for iOS too, if you want to pull that out.

unfuccwittable

10-06-2011, 07:00 PM

I have a question: DOES ANYONE ACTUALLY OWN A 64GB N9? It seems that all the auctions (that aren't for ridiculous preorders that ship in Novemeber) are all for 16GB. Where are all the 64GB N9s?

mikecomputing

10-06-2011, 07:03 PM

Still doesn't quantify why Symbian is the crappiest OS. Just currious why people think that....

because the UI is buggy like crap and not user friendly.
Hell even my n900 who is seen as a geekos is more user friendly than symbians peace of snit.

They should hade wipet it out long way ago!

the new Anna on C7 is freezing. the core apps hangs some time and so on.

also my boss who I gave a tip to go for E7 cause its a bussinesphone. But it seems to be a bigmistake cause he also has problems with the phone.

mikecomputing

10-06-2011, 07:08 PM

btw 143 messages left until Nokia abandons Nokia N9 and Microsoft buys Nokia.

But dont tell this too Eldar cause he does not know yet...

aironeous

10-06-2011, 07:27 PM

I have a question: DOES ANYONE ACTUALLY OWN A 64GB N9? It seems that all the auctions (that aren't for ridiculous preorders that ship in Novemeber) are all for 16GB. Where are all the 64GB N9s?
The ten guys that bought the N9's from the person in Denmark on ebay were all the black 64gb variant.

biatch0

10-06-2011, 07:31 PM

I'm "hopefully" going to pick up my N9 64GB in a couple of hours. Will update accordingly...

BigBadGuber!

10-06-2011, 08:11 PM

check this pricing

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Nokia-N9-16GB-Black-8MP-Unlocked-Fedex-/320769069551?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item4aaf5391ef

abill_uk

10-06-2011, 08:27 PM

check this pricing

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Nokia-N9-16GB-Black-8MP-Unlocked-Fedex-/320769069551?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item4aaf5391ef

Once again it is pre-order and not in stock.

abill_uk

10-06-2011, 08:33 PM

This one IS in stock and ready to be shipped from Denmark.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nokia-N9-64-GB-unlocked-STOCK-AND-READY-SHIPPED-/290617426305?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item43aa260181

aironeous

10-06-2011, 08:43 PM

That's where I ordered mine from^

abill_uk

10-06-2011, 08:50 PM

That's where I ordered mine from^

When is yours expected to arrive?.

And can you verify when you actually get your 64gb?.

This will at least make one seller from ebay trustworthy.

cincibluer6

10-06-2011, 09:18 PM

So tempting but I just can't see spending $900 on it, especially knowing there is next to zero chance that the warranty applies to it.

aironeous

10-06-2011, 09:56 PM

When is yours expected to arrive?.

And can you verify when you actually get your 64gb?.

This will at least make one seller from ebay trustworthy.

You know how many times over and over and over again people have been asking on this thread, "OMG where'd you get that Denmark N9 what are you talking about who is this person?" and how many times have I posted over and over about it.

Hey, when I get mine I'll proudly snap a pic with my LG G2x as long as it gets here before I have to leave on the 17th of October.

And as soon as I get the tracking number I"ll post the email from ebay up on here if someone else here does not do it before me.

jer006

10-06-2011, 09:59 PM

So tempting but I just can't see spending $900 on it, especially knowing there is next to zero chance that the warranty applies to it.

Agreed, ridiculous that nokia decided not to sell it in the USA... I just cannot justify spending $900+ on this phone when a Galaxy S II is $550 on amazon...

Really puts me totally off of nokia the way in which this device has been brought to market!

aironeous

10-06-2011, 10:17 PM

Agreed, ridiculous that nokia decided not to sell it in the USA... I just cannot justify spending $900+ on this phone when a Galaxy S II is $550 on amazon...

Really puts me totally off of nokia the way in which this device has been brought to market!

Agreed except I thought we were all in agreement to occupy "microsoft makes Nokia its Beeatch" street!
AND
to Cyberbully Elop for being a MS trojan horse and killing Finland's Income tax when they are already having hard enough time dealing with China stealing/copying all first worlds intellectual property and making knock offs and driving all manufacturing jobs wages lower.

I thought the reason we were buying this last vestige of almost kinda open source very good UX handset was to send a message to that short fat waddling overpaid IHOP manager of a CEO Elop that we do not approve of your winhos move.
That we do not approve of your closed source trojan horse move to windows.
That we....
brothers pick up where i leave off here

marxian

10-06-2011, 10:30 PM

Agreed except I thought we were all in agreement to occupy "microsoft makes Nokia its Beeatch" street!
AND
to Cyberbully Elop for being a MS trojan horse and killing Finland's Income tax when they are already having hard enough time dealing with China stealing/copying all first worlds intellectual property and making knock offs and driving all manufacturing jobs wages lower.

I thought the reason we were buying this last vestige of almost kinda open source very good UX handset was to send a message to that short fat waddling overpaid IHOP manager of a CEO Elop that we do not approve of your winhos move.
That we do not approve of your closed source trojan horse move to windows.
That we....
brothers pick up where i leave off here

So, you're going to teach Elop a lesson by giving him some of your money?

aironeous

10-06-2011, 11:02 PM

lesser of two evils^ can't be avoided

abill_uk

10-06-2011, 11:25 PM

So, you're going to teach Elop a lesson by giving him some of your money?

Some people are just plain blind and stupid ;).

Thank god some of us have retained some sense ;).

This is one of the reasons i will never want to own a N9 at the price it is for sale for.

Elop can go to hell as far as i am concerned.

gerbick

10-06-2011, 11:40 PM

if you can't figure this bit out i STRONGLY recommend you stop here and wait until the N9 flasher and image are available and working because you are a prime candidate for bricking the phone.

better to wait a little while longer before playing with that side of it.

Wait. There's no official flasher made available yet?

biatch0

10-06-2011, 11:43 PM

Oh hi there... guess what I'm posting this from :D

BigBadGuber!

10-06-2011, 11:49 PM

I think u guys need to have your heads examined for paying 900+ dollars for N9. even iphone 4S will be less by 300 bucks. its not worth it. simple as that

ste-phan

10-06-2011, 11:53 PM

Oh hi there... guess what I'm posting this from :D

congrats! Was it easy or hard to type that sentence on gorillamoledTM?

abill_uk

10-07-2011, 12:10 AM

Oh hi there... guess what I'm posting this from :D

Did you get your 64GB then? and if so where from?.

biatch0

10-07-2011, 12:11 AM

congrats! Was it easy or hard to type that sentence on gorillamoledTM?Pretty easy... the VKB is something I can definitely see getting used to...

http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww163/biatch0/Toys/002.jpg
http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww163/biatch0/Toys/001.jpg

slai

10-07-2011, 12:19 AM

VKB was ok when i got it, then some superman of Godlike proportions mentioned it was multitouch and now its awesome.

toki

10-07-2011, 01:03 AM

got my hands on one for the first time ever and AHHHHH

too bad it was only a display model...

still waiting for mine to come T_T

is the 64GB coming a few days after the 16GB or soemthing? heaps of places have the 16GB here now, but none have the 64GB... oO"

EDIT:
HJGDFKSHFGS!!!! JUST GOT A CALL!!! my 64GB is HERE!

im just a little excited

SamGan

10-07-2011, 02:15 AM

The 64 GB N9 is sold in Malaysia for RM2088 (US$652). There is no tax in here for mobile phones.

asianmoomoo

10-07-2011, 02:24 AM

The 64 GB N9 is sold in Malaysia for RM2088 (US$652). There is no tax in here for mobile phones.

REALLY? Thats a really good price for the 64 gb. group buy?

teddy

10-07-2011, 02:25 AM

:eek:

REALLY? That's ridiculously cheap, want to buy some and start selling them? :)

teddy

10-07-2011, 02:25 AM

REALLY? Thats a really good price for the 64 gb. group buy?

Hah! We had the exact same thought.

JohnHughes

10-07-2011, 03:16 AM

he just sold out.

i was about to send a question and it ended!

You've gotta move fast if you want a N9.

(Still trying to work out excuse for the wife). :D

danramos

10-07-2011, 03:24 AM

Oh hi there... guess what I'm posting this from :D

Your mom?

...sorry, sorry... automatic reflex. :D

I think u guys need to have your heads examined for paying 900+ dollars for N9. even iphone 4S will be less by 300 bucks. its not worth it. simple as that

I have to admit--I keep thinking, EVERY time I see a price quoted, "MAN! That could buy a pretty damned good desktop, laptop or even a GREAT tablet or even a GREAT handset--maybe even TWO tablets/handsets--from a competitor. Then I just shake my head and think thankful thoughts that I'm not one of them. :)

ste-phan

10-07-2011, 03:30 AM

Your mom?

...sorry, sorry... automatic reflex. :D

I have to admit--I keep thinking, EVERY time I see a price quoted, "MAN! That could buy a pretty damned good desktop, laptop or even a GREAT tablet or even a GREAT handset--maybe even TWO tablets/handsets--from a competitor. Then I just shake my head and think thankful thoughts that I'm not one of them. :)

Again, too bad those GREAT tablets will be running Android or a Chinese Frankenstein version of all popular OSes?

But indeed today's prices paid rather confirm the gadget status of the N9 than proving it to be the uber utility object.

jo21

10-07-2011, 03:38 AM

the 4s is actually more expensive than n9 =.=

cheapest u will find it unlocked its 650$+taxes and shipping

thats for 16gb, 4s, n9 have amoled and bigger screen, multitask, better camera.

4s have dual core and gpu no fart apps uses, 1080p video

ur choice.

Leon4

10-07-2011, 03:56 AM

ste-phan

10-07-2011, 04:17 AM

If the n9 just had a bit better hardware (a dual core 1ghz cpu and a SGX543MP2 GPU) than it would be perfect. Im just wonder why nokia always put's older gen hardware in their phone's. I'm not saying hardware is everything, but it pretty much decides how the software will run, but at least they did put a 1gb of ram which is great :)

Because of the "Beautiful industrial design which will live on in the upcoming WP Nokia's" Quote some vicious only good for CEO type.

They choose to restrict battery consumption and battery size.

They chose not to market the OS as: green and blue eco type "runs more smooth leaving a fraction of the footprint of the rain forest, ozon consuming Android".

At least they have finally stopped saving on the RAM was a bitter lesson learned from N97 and hopefully N900 for which at the end we conclude they might have made it the instant classic with 512MB standard.

Personally I am waiting for the Nokia do it yourself Harmattan phone. You just buy a motherboard from Nokia and plug your SOC, RAM modules, choose your battery and your case form factor, with or without keyboard, and screen with or without multitouchTM. See you in 2050.

Jeffrey04

10-07-2011, 04:24 AM

REALLY? Thats a really good price for the 64 gb. group buy?

it's the official RRP
I am getting mine hopefully by sunday (the dealer where i made my preorder is still waiting for the phone)

noetus

10-07-2011, 05:00 AM

aironeous

10-07-2011, 05:31 AM

marrat

10-07-2011, 05:35 AM

What is the output on the wall charger that you guys get with the N9 because mine is coming from the Denmark and it has a different plug than the US? I can buy an adapter but i already have an LG charger here and the output on it says 4.8v 1.0 a

I think you can use any USB-Charger... or just charge it on your PC...

BTW, did you get your track & trace info already?

sponka

10-07-2011, 05:37 AM

What is the output on the wall charger that you guys get with the N9 because mine is coming from the Denmark and it has a different plug than the US? I can buy an adapter but i already have an LG charger here and the output on it says 4.8v 1.0 a

Micro USB is standard, so you can charge with any charger -- I charge my N900 with Motorola, Samsung and SE chargers besides Nokia's that came with device. And yes, you can buy adapter, charger will work on AC from 100-240V.

aironeous

10-07-2011, 05:38 AM

I think you can use any USB-Charger... or just charge it on your PC...

BTW, did you get your track & trace info already?

Yes I know i can use any pc but wall charger is different. My LG charger is a high output charger it charges my LG G2x really fast and like I said 1 amp output.

No I haven't

aironeous

10-07-2011, 05:41 AM

Micro USB is standard, so you can charge with any charger -- I charge my N900 with Motorola, Samsung and SE chargers besides Nokia's that came with device. And yes, you can buy adapter, charger will work on AC from 100-240V.

Go look at your chargers and see if any one of them says 1.0 amps output

ziller

10-07-2011, 05:51 AM

Go look at your chargers and see if any one of them says 1.0 amps output

I've got a Nokia wall charger with 5V, 1200mA output and I use it to charge anything that has a micro USB connector :)

N900, older Nokias, HTCs, Sonys, even my ebook reader, charges just fine.

erendorn

10-07-2011, 05:54 AM

the n900 charges fine on 1 amp charger.. I would really doubt than the N9 can not handle a branded wall charger, as the EU has asked for interoperability between chargers. (hence the micro USB chargers for everyone, and the micro-USB -> iphone adaptor for IP4s)

jalyst

10-07-2011, 05:59 AM

I had the option to go get my 64GB several hours ago (pre-order)
But I think I may cancel....
It's from Harvey Norman, & they've got some of the worst pricing for the 64GB.

nowhereman

10-07-2011, 05:59 AM

I order one to ebay user, no more available, waiting for anwer when will be delivered.

anonymous

10-07-2011, 06:09 AM

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110213171531/dragonball/images/a/a9/It%27s_over_9000.png

jalyst

10-07-2011, 06:15 AM

^THIS

You know how many times over and over and over again people have been asking on this thread,
"OMG where'd you get that Denmark N9 what are you talking about who is this person?" and how many times have I posted over and over about it.

Hence why we need the dedicated thread/s that have been started.
The original posts of those threads can be updated as new info. comes in etc.
Google docs can also be linked to from those OP's, to allow more than one person to contribute.

We need to start telling people to stop asking such questions in this thread.
I'll try to get the OP to change the title of this one to: N9 owners: answer questions & get help.

@amityt I'm happy to use your thread as the main pricing/availability thread if you want?
I PM'd sjgadsby a few hours ago & asked him to merge our 2 threads, I don't care which one lives & which one dies.
I've also asked him to sticky that thread, sticky two others, & once this one's renamed we'll sticky it!

jah25

10-07-2011, 06:18 AM

I just got an update from highdefinition.ch about my order for a 64GB N9.

Apparently they do NOT have these in stock yet, and they do NOT know when the will have them. Quote: "We are getting lots of orders for this product and the supplier has set the product's availability to "Unknown"."

I do not know who their supplier is, but this is not good news for those who are worried if Nokia is making enough of these devices to satisfy demand.

Sorry to hear that, I feel so much better now about holding off on pulling the trigger with them. They also raised the price about CHF 60 from earlier this week for the 64GB. Their website pushed the 'in stock' date they publish to the 14th from today. N9 prices need to drop quickly.

Storm_11

10-07-2011, 06:24 AM

I just picked a 64gb one up from Brisbane. Initial impression.... underwhelmed coming from the n900. who knows, maybe it will grow on me

daviss

10-07-2011, 06:27 AM

because the UI is buggy like crap and not user friendly.
Hell even my n900 who is seen as a geekos is more user friendly than symbians peace of snit.

They should hade wipet it out long way ago!

the new Anna on C7 is freezing. the core apps hangs some time and so on.

also my boss who I gave a tip to go for E7 cause its a bussinesphone. But it seems to be a bigmistake cause he also has problems with the phone.

symbian was just the unfortunate but stil incredible OS post-iphone era..they need extra effort to rework the touch UI which they failed on it period, but atleast it's the greatest OS for non-touch phone around..
remember n95? back then you wudn't have called it the crappiest OS, wud u?

jalyst

10-07-2011, 06:27 AM

I just picked a 64gb one up from Brisbane. Initial impression.... underwhelmed coming from the n900. who knows, maybe it will grow on me

Was it a Harvey Norman branch in Brisbane? Which one?
I hope they bloody well didn't give away mine!!!!

Storm_11

10-07-2011, 06:33 AM

Was it a Harvey Norman branch in Brisbane? Which one?
I hope they bloody well didn't give away mine!!!!

I had two on pre-orders from different Harveys. The one I have atm is from the Bris CBD, they had one other on pre-order that had arrived in. This is the one I have. The other is from Indooroopilly, which I will be sending to a friend in the US. Indooroopilly as at midday did not have stock just yet but they were expecting it soon.

daviss

10-07-2011, 06:40 AM

Your mom?

...sorry, sorry... automatic reflex. :D

I have to admit--I keep thinking, EVERY time I see a price quoted, "MAN! That could buy a pretty damned good desktop, laptop or even a GREAT tablet or even a GREAT handset--maybe even TWO tablets/handsets--from a competitor. Then I just shake my head and think thankful thoughts that I'm not one of them. :)

hey dan..the price that biatch0 got was pretty standard range in terms of high-end phone in our country..fyi this price defintely cant buy 2 tablets/handsets (oth branded brand, not talkin abt those china/localmade clones)..

jalyst

10-07-2011, 06:42 AM

^THIS
Hence why we need the dedicated thread/s that have been started.
The original posts of those threads can be updated as new info. comes in etc.
Google docs can also be linked to from those OP's, to allow more than one person to contribute.

We need to start telling people to stop asking such questions in this thread.
I'll try to get the OP to change the title of this one to: N9 owners: answer questions & get help.

@amityt I'm happy to use your thread as the main pricing/availability thread if you want?
I PM'd sjgadsby a few hours ago & asked him to merge our 2 threads, I don't care which one lives & which one dies.
I've also asked him to sticky that thread, sticky two others, & once this one's renamed we'll sticky it!

I've asked the OP to change this thread's title to: N9 owners: answer questions & get help
If any of ya'll object for whatever reason, please share your thoughts.

I had two on pre-orders from different Harveys. The one I have atm is from the Bris CBD, they had one other on pre-order that had arrived in. This is the one I have. The other is from Indooroopilly, which I will be sending to a friend in the US. Indooroopilly as at midday did not have stock just yet but they were expecting it soon.

Responded to this pricing/availability related post in this thread
N9 16/64GB: worldwide availability & pricing (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1104618#post1104618)

Hihu

10-07-2011, 07:28 AM

I don't know if someone posted these already but sounds like meltemi is linux for nokias featurephones - successor of meego/maemo.
(http://mynokiablog.com/2011/10/07/meltemi-is-linux-based-replacement-for-s40/)

And QT is also alive and well. (http://mynokiablog.com/2011/10/07/qt-api-mapping-for-ios-android-and-windows-phone-developers-bring-iphoneipad-apps-to-symbiann9/) There might be lots off apps coming to N9.

hotnikkelz

10-07-2011, 08:07 AM

And QT is also alive and well. (http://mynokiablog.com/2011/10/07/qt-api-mapping-for-ios-android-and-windows-phone-developers-bring-iphoneipad-apps-to-symbiann9/) There might be lots off apps coming to N9.

....if developers bite. They would need to seriously take care of developers because right now they're drifting to more compelling/profitable platforms.

eaglehelang

10-07-2011, 08:28 AM

I think u guys need to have your heads examined for paying 900+ dollars for N9. even iphone 4S will be less by 300 bucks. its not worth it. simple as that

It's USD655 in Malaysia, for the 64GB. 16 GB going for USD570. Released today :D
Nooo way, Iphone 4S will be at that price, at least also 20% higher than the 64GB N9

eaglehelang

10-07-2011, 08:32 AM

REALLY? Thats a really good price for the 64 gb. group buy?
No, it's RRP, comes with free gift too, for those who pre-ordered

delmar

10-07-2011, 08:35 AM

I just got an update from highdefinition.ch about my order for a 64GB N9.

Apparently they do NOT have these in stock yet, and they do NOT know when the will have them. Quote: "We are getting lots of orders for this product and the supplier has set the product's availability to "Unknown"."

I do not know who their supplier is, but this is not good news for those who are worried if Nokia is making enough of these devices to satisfy demand.

My order at highdefinition for the same device now changed to "14 october". When I preordered it was 7 october and than changed to 6. october. So the answers I got calling them befor I ordered "till now we have not preordered all the devices we will get from our supplier" and "if you preorder we wait to ship till we got your money but will reserve you the device" wasn't correct. :(

juanenrique

10-07-2011, 08:36 AM

I've asked the OP to change this thread's title to: N9 owners: answer questions & get help
If any of ya'll object for whatever reason, please share your thoughts.

...anybody wishes to second such motion?... if so, those in favor please say aye...

sponka

10-07-2011, 08:40 AM

aye!

PS: The message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your message to at least 10 characters. <--- only purpose to lenghten message :)

IsaacDFP

10-07-2011, 09:03 AM

So is it confirmed that the N9 can be charged using the N900's wall charger...?

noetus

10-07-2011, 09:04 AM

My order at highdefinition for the same device now changed to "14 october". When I preordered it was 7 october and than changed to 6. october. So the answers I got calling them befor I ordered "till now we have not preordered all the devices we will get from our supplier" and "if you preorder we wait to ship till we got your money but will reserve you the device" wasn't correct. :(

Wasn't correct in what way? Have they already charged your credit card, before having the device to ship to you?

jakiman

10-07-2011, 09:04 AM

Another 2 shot camera comparison – Nokia N9 vs Samsung Galaxy S2
http://wp.me/pX56N-ke

Result doesn't look good for the N9 however....

marrat

10-07-2011, 09:07 AM

Another 2 shot camera comparison – Nokia N9 vs Samsung Galaxy S2
http://wp.me/pX56N-ke

Result doesn't look good for the N9 however....

Yes, just saw it... that means for me for sure I will keep my N8 and use it when I'm going somewhere where I most likely need to take pictures.

marrat

10-07-2011, 09:08 AM

I think you can use any USB-Charger... or just charge it on your PC...

BTW, did you get your track & trace info already?

In my eBay the information for my purchase just was updated to have been shipped today... so shouldn't be too long now until I get my track & trace number and then my N9... though I don't have high hopes to have it by tomorrow anymore...

marrat

10-07-2011, 09:18 AM

Yes, just saw it... that means for me for sure I will keep my N8 and use it when I'm going somewhere where I most likely need to take pictures.

Just came to think about it... The only true novelty on the N9 is the Swipe UX, which is really fluid on the rather "old" 1 GHz OMAP3 and SGX530. No stunning photos, lacking many features from other high-end (even older Nokia) devices, such as FMTX, USB-OTG, HDMI out...

Maybe we shouldn't see the N9 as the last MeeGo phone by Nokia, but as the first phone for the next billion?

What do you think of this?

Rugoz

10-07-2011, 09:28 AM

Another 2 shot camera comparison – Nokia N9 vs Samsung Galaxy S2
http://wp.me/pX56N-ke

Result doesn't look good for the N9 however....

Wow, that looks bad. I really hope this is only a software glitch.

slider5

10-07-2011, 09:30 AM

Another 2 shot camera comparison – Nokia N9 vs Samsung Galaxy S2
http://wp.me/pX56N-ke

Result doesn't look good for the N9 however....

Do you have lock the focus ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtHR-ceDILA

jakiman

10-07-2011, 09:37 AM

Do you have lock the focus ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtHR-ceDILA

Yes, I have done this as well. Makes no difference even if you don't.

jalyst

10-07-2011, 09:38 AM

...anybody wishes to second such motion?... if so, those in favor please say aye...

Once done we'd need to get this one merged....
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1104286#post1104286
I'll ask the OP to report their OP & request the merge.

jalyst

10-07-2011, 09:41 AM

Another 2 shot camera comparison – Nokia N9 vs Samsung Galaxy S2
http://wp.me/pX56N-ke

Result doesn't look good for the N9 however....

Wow that's disappointing, surely there's something amiss! :confused:

delmar

10-07-2011, 09:42 AM

Wasn't correct in what way? Have they already charged your credit card, before having the device to ship to you?

I selected to prepay it from my bank-account because if you pay with credit-card they charge +5%. So they are wating shipping till they get the money. Then I let it ship to friends in Switzerland, so I've to pay any delivery and pay only 8% swiss taxes instead 21% of my country.

Now I don't know if they have a) problems to get the devices from their deliver or b) they have sold all the devices from the first shippment and are waiting for the next.

If b) I'm irritate because they told me they will set my device till they get the money and now it seems that was not the truth.