N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!

[Chuck Norris]

Ugh. Should I cancel my order from a colleague in Singapore? I have been watching the Aegis mess at the MeeGo forums, and I am hoping the one exploit can get us through to true open mode...is N900 last of the gen? Move on, or go with N9?

Read two posts above...before you do that.

[Maemomd]

Read two posts above...before you do that.

This has good potential.

[erendorn]

Ugh. Should I cancel my order from a colleague in Singapore? I have been watching the Aegis mess at the MeeGo forums, and I am hoping the one exploit can get us through to true open mode...is N900 last of the gen? Move on, or go with N9?
If you want to be safe, wait for some weeks or Pr 1.1, until the community knows more about this.

[babraq]

On the other front - simple FM RX application Javispedro made for N950 is working also on N9!

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1107671&postcount=4

[gerbick]

Hi there
sorry to bother you again, any update regarding the 64GB availability? price?
is 16GB available yet? how can we setup payment?

Thx

No bother at all. You definitely should keep an eye out in this thread for all of the updates (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=78354)...

Well I know the price on the 16gb price ones at ~596 USD at current exchange rates. I've also sourced a secondary source out of Dubai - they're ~673 USD or so for 16gb. No pricing on the 64gb - and to be honest, the Mexican ones are due for release soon. Rumor puts it at November, they're gathering stock now from my understanding - only 16gb black is there, magenta will be sold, no clue on cyan there or in Dubai (weird, I know).

[lsolano]

Users need to jailbrake Maemo/MeeGo phone. Jesus Christ this is sad.

That is without a doubt, the worst part of the story.

To think that it is difficult (aegis) to have a CSSU in the N9, it what is stopping me the most to buy one.

CSSU for me, is the best that happened to the n900.

[giorgosmit]

Not yet! ;)

http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4575&page=8

Very nice indeed. If I got that right, Nokia's stance is that Aegis *wink wink* be deactivated *wink wink*?

[oweng]

That is without a doubt, the worst part of the story.

To think that it is difficult (aegis) to have a CSSU in the N9, it what is stopping me the most to buy one.

CSSU for me, is the best that happened to the n900.

Looks as if it has already been resolved, or very nearly

http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4575&page=9

[jalyst]

If someone asks me that I'll say yes.
And then try to convince them that the nokia logo on the front is because Nokia bought Apple :D
(reel men never sue the spill chucker)
I think his point is that we should buy an iPhone. :p

LOL, spat my coffee all over the desk, thanks! :D

Not yet! ;)
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4575&page=8
http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h425/jed3030/phew.jpg

We need some images/videos collectively expressing this.
Dan/Gerbick, I nominate you! jk :D

[aironeous]

Still a fairly nice phone for basic use, even if I obviously wanted an N900-like experience.

And Im hoping there will be ways around aegis and so forth to make this device close-to-awesomeness eventually.

We'll see.


Nokia has released a workaround for developers.
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4575&page=8

Warning: IT WILL VOID YOUR WARRANTY IF YOU DO IT

OK SOMEONE BEAT ME TO IT

[jalyst]

This!!!!
I mean WTF???? Can any of the guys more clued-up in this area...
Actually explain to all of us, whether this is now very close to being realised?
If near instant compatibility between Symbian/Harmattan is realised, it'd be a HUGE boon.

Daperl/anyone?

Thanks!

[scapegoat845]

Nokia has released a workaround for developers.
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4575&page=8

Warning: IT WILL VOID YOUR WARRANTY IF YOU DO IT

OK SOMEONE BEAT ME TO IT

Fhuck it, the US don't have a warranty anyway....:cool:

[gerbick]

Fhuck it, the US don't have a warranty anyway....

Yeah. I'm thinking about how that's a double negative for any phone I get my hands on in the US... so to Hell with it. This is the first thing I'm doing after I put in a micro-SIM.

Funny... I might get a Nokia 800 Windows Phone because of continued testing in my office. Weird.

[jalyst]

heh, pretty damn nifty, never seen forum <--> email integration like this
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4563

[daperl]

Daperl/anyone?

Thanks!

In a nutshell, Nokia didn't properly release all of the MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan QML packages for Fremantle. Thus, a developer couldn't comprehensively 'write once' for both Fremantle and Harmattan. However, as an afterthought, there's a Nokia developer that is trying to remedy this.

[scapegoat845]

Yeah. I'm thinking about how that's a double negative for any phone I get my hands on in the US... so to Hell with it. This is the first thing I'm doing after I put in a micro-SIM.

Funny... I might get a Nokia 800 Windows Phone because of continued testing in my office. Weird.

Just got my sim cutter today. Ready to go.

[jalyst]

In a nutshell, Nokia didn't properly release all of the MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan QML packages for Fremantle. Thus, a developer couldn't comprehensively 'write once' for both Fremantle and Harmattan. However, as an afterthought, there's a Nokia developer that is trying to remedy this.

I was referring more to Symbian <-> Harmattan...
I'd have thought that'd be the holy grail compared to Maemo.

We already have at least some compatibility with Fremantle.
Many apps will run (w/right dependencies/libraries), just won't conform w/UI guidelines etc.

Glad to hear Nokia's working on it, but it's only a sole person?
Doesn't exactly sound like it's a much of a concern for Nokia :confused:

Do you know if he/she's tasked w/doing the same for Symbian<->Harmattan?

[marxian]

I was referring more to Symbian <-> Harmattan...
I'd have thought that'd be the holy grail compared to Maemo.

We already have at least some compatibility with Fremantle.
Many apps will run (w/right dependencies/libraries), just won't conform w/UI guidelines etc.

Glad to hear Nokia's working on it, but it's only a sole person?
Doesn't exactly sound like it's a much of a concern for Nokia :confused:

Do you know if he/she's tasked w/doing the same for Symbian<->Harmattan?

I believe that the merging of Qt Components between Symbian and Meego-Harmattan is planned. I noticed yesterday that Symbian has now got some components that were previously only available on Meego-Harmattan, so it is happening.

The bigger obstacle is the legacy code that makes Symbian a PITA. Nokia seem to be having difficulty in providing a Qt wrapper for some of the Symbian APIs, which means that you still have to mess with native Symbian C++ code. There is also the fact that many Qt APIs (particularly the mobility and multimedia stuff) seem to be forever at the beta stage, meaning you cannot use them if you want to target the Nokia Store.

For existing Symbian developers using Qt Components, it should be a relatively easy task to target Meego-Harmattan. They will simply find that they no longer need those ugly workarounds that they have been forced to use when targetting Symbian. They will shout 'eureka!' when they discover that (for example) the hardware volume keys and split-screen text input 'just work'. It's moving in the opposite direction that is the problem.

I think the main obstacle to seeing Symbian Qt applications on Meego-Harmattan is that the platform is perceived as a dead end. Symbian developers creating new applications using Qt Components may go ahead anyway, as it should be a fairly small effort, but I doubt we'll see many of the existing Symbian applications that have been written using Qt Widgets.

[marrat]

Damn, I almost forgot to do the following... And I have my N9 since Monday...

[jalyst]

I believe that the merging of Qt Components between Symbian and Meego-Harmattan is planned.
I noticed yesterday that Symbian has now got some components that were previously only available on Meego-Harmattan, so it is happening.

Is there a clear time-line for completion, or just some very vague goals?
Do they genuinely intend to commit & see this through aggressively, or is most of the focus shifting to WP?

The bigger obstacle is the legacy code that makes Symbian a PITA.
Nokia seem to be having difficulty in providing a Qt wrapper for some of the Symbian APIs, which means that you still have to mess with native Symbian C++ code.

Is there any sign that this will be overcome any time soon?

There is also the fact that many Qt APIs (particularly the mobility and multimedia stuff) seem to be forever at the beta stage, meaning you cannot use them if you want to target the Nokia Store.

Bizarre, when's that likely to become less of an issue?

I think the main obstacle to seeing Symbian Qt applications on Meego-Harmattan is that the platform is perceived as a dead end.
Symbian developers creating new applications using Qt Components may go ahead anyway, as it should be a fairly small effort, but I doubt we'll see many of the existing Symbian applications that have been written using Qt Widgets.

I wish Nokia would provide some strong incentives for devs to write their apps using Qt components.
For both those creating apps from scratch, and those with apps using legacy code.
We should get a nice flow-over from Symbian in the next few years.
But it won't be nearly as strong as it could be, if Nokia aggressively facilitated it :(

[buchanmilne]

Anyone seen this review from gearburn (http://gearburn.com/2011/10/a-not-so-great-comeback-the-nokia-n9/)?

Their major negative point about the N9 is its OS. Apparently it's crappy and looks like Symbian. I've not heard of Gearburn and now i can see why.

Seems like they are a South African site. Did they really get their hands on one for a review? I haven't seen any other local reviews

The MyBroadband article (http://mybroadband.co.za/news/gadgets/34744-nokia-n9-hands-on.html) just after the launch event was a bit better IMHO.

[mooglez]

N9 64G waiting for me at home, but I have no microsim at the moment :/

[marrat]

N9 64G waiting for me at home, but I have no microsim at the moment :/

That's why I had my SIM replaced for a Micro-SIM already in September, just be on the safe side :p

[JiiHoo]

Just playing with my black 16GB version, got it today morning. Ou yeah... :)

Only problem is the missing calendar sync with Outlook via USB as Ovi Suite does not recognize, but that was expected. Had to sync calendar first to my old E71 and then to N9 from there via bluetooth.

[qwazix]

I was in fear that I'd have to wait for my contract upgrade to get the N9 and now my upgrade is here and there is no N9 yet. It's already hard to know I could have a shiny new gadget today, thankfully there is no device on the market now I'm dying for. However if the Note appears first it will be too hard to resist.

[P@t]

about being free with N9:
http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer

"The current public device image for N950 was released on 2011-08-30. The image is contains the week 34 release of the platform. The one click flasher-tool to update the device is available for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X environments. A device image and tooling for N9 will be made available as well, and both of them will evolve as the corresponding updates are published for the devices."

So I guess that even if flashing another kernel, we can go back to official image (for instance for warranty).

[eaglehelang]

That's why I had my SIM replaced for a Micro-SIM already in September, just be on the safe side :p

Actually can ask the shop to cut the sim for you, if purchasing from dealer/reseller ;)

[marrat]

Just playing with my black 16GB version, got it today morning. Ou yeah... :)

Only problem is the missing calendar sync with Outlook via USB as Ovi Suite does not recognize, but that was expected. Had to sync calendar first to my old E71 and then to N9 from there via bluetooth.

Actually, you can sync it directly with your Outlook over Bluetooth if you use Windows 7, as I described in this post:

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1108033&postcount=235

[erendorn]

Actually, you can sync it directly with your Outlook over Bluetooth if you use Windows 7, as I described in this post:

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1108033&postcount=235

I think it works even with previous windows versions, provided... that you have bluetooth on your PC ;)

[ihmemies]

Shiny new N9 64Gb charging on my table...
Was it worth the wait, HELL YEAH?!!

[slai]

why charging and not wtfusing?

[ihmemies]

why charging and not wtfusing?

Cause Im WTFworking, bleh...

[nowhereman]

After 5 minuts to convert sim to microsim,

I have my new N9 working ...

[marrat]

Cause Im WTFworking, bleh...

WTFwork is being overrated :p

[bergie]

Kauppalehti, in Finnish (http://www.kauppalehti.fi/5/i/talous/uutiset/etusivu/uutinen.jsp?oid=20111097309): N9 is set to be one of Nokia's best sellers ... we expect the phone to rise to top 3 in the charts

Oh, and if you're in Finland, Sonera is running an orienteering challenge (http://n9mystery.fi) where you can win a free N9. Helsinki today, Turku tomorrow, etc.

[boldap]

where is nokia N9 64GB why nokia continues to lie.

[slai]

Why are you talking about lies? IIRC someone on TMO allready have their 64gb. What are you talking about?

[marrat]

Why are you talking about lies? IIRC someone on TMO allready have their 64gb. What are you talking about?

Yep. I've got an N9 with 64 GB, for example... All the guys who bought them from the Danish eBay guy have a 64 GB, actually.

[Metsämies]

where is nokia N9 64GB why nokia continues to lie.

Nokia makes now 16 Gb models, maybe in November 64 Gb version will be available again.

If someone really wants (especially where N9 is not sold officially, for example Germany or GB) I can sell my other one, please look at Buy&Sell-section. It's easier for me to return the other one, but if I can help someone to get a brand new N9 and make eFlop unhappy makes me :D

[JohnHughes]

Your spell checker is definitely letting you down today... ;-)

Wooosh....:)

[scapegoat845]

After 5 minuts to convert sim to microsim,

I have my new N9 working ...

Did u DIY, or do u have a sim cutter ? Just did a test run with my Noosy sim cutter, & it seemed to have cut a little bit of metal off of the bottom of the sim. Hope it'll work when it really matters....

[Guffaw]

Telekiosken at Strømmen Storsenter (Norway) just sold one black N9 16GB for 3200kr at a backwards auction.

413 euro...

[dtergens]

http://mynokiablog.com/2011/10/13/more-countries-for-n9-availability-nokia-n9-official-availability-list-updated/

More countries for N9 availability. Nokia N9 Official Availability list updated.

[kjmackey]

Did u DIY, or do u have a sim cutter ? Just did a test run with my Noosy sim cutter, & it seemed to have cut a little bit of metal off of the bottom of the sim. Hope it'll work when it really matters....
I bought a SIM cutter from Amazon - it left one of the edges a little ragged but I smoothed it out.

The microSim works - in my current phone with an adapter (two came with the cutter). Still waitin' for the mail...

[aironeous]

http://mynokiablog.com/2011/10/13/more-countries-for-n9-availability-nokia-n9-official-availability-list-updated/

More countries for N9 availability. Nokia N9 Official Availability list updated.


Likewise here is an updated list of the variants from Navifirm

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059K128: RM-696 NDT VIETNAM CYAN 16GB
059K1S8: RM-696 NDT VIETNAM MAGENTA 16GB

[unfuccwittable]

Update in the Saga to secure a 64GB N9 in the States from Malaysia: My contact has found and is willing to ship to me, but it seems that the shipping costs are quite exorbitant (lowest I've found is 70ish USD [DHL]).

What say you, TMO-ers? Do I give up, or press onward?

[neotalk]

updated list of countries selling the N9

http://mynokiablog.com/2011/10/13/more-countries-for-n9-availability-nokia-n9-official-availability-list-updated/

[unfuccwittable]

^somebody already posted that like 3 posts above yours.

[Hihu]

I got mine today...

64GB version ...

nice ...

actually very nice...

It has all I need for a phone: Good browser, excellent email and messaging, excellent calendar, excellent social media and rss integration, excellent maps and navigation, excellent screen, and of course good phone.

Found some small bugs from Skype app but not too disturbing. I hope those will be fixed soon.

[MortenS]

Just ordered my black 64GB version tonight. Probably going to be waiting for it the whole weekend too! Damn! :D

I'd like to tell you guys a story.

I bought the N900 back when it came out because I was really happy with the quality of Nokia's phones - and because everytime I'd tried something else, I always ended up coming back to Nokia.

I had no idea about what I went into at the time I bought N900 - I'm not a developer - knew nothing about Linux, never thought I was going to "root" anything - didn't even know what that meant. I just wanted the best Nokia had - and I got it.

Slowly I learned more and more, and was having fun - I was even playing my old PC-games on the phone. How amazing is that, playing "Day of the Tentacle" on your phone!! :D :D

BTW someone (Mike, I think?) asked in another thread how I would sell the N9 to an iPhone user... Well I did with the N900 and i can tell you for sure: ANYONE WHO WANT TO IMPRESS SOMEONE WITH YOUR PHONE - SHOW YOUR FRIENDS IT CAN PLAY DOT!! They will shut up!!! (Now I'm just hoping some clever Dev will port the ScummVM to N9, please, please, please!!!)

Then - One year ago, my N900 was stolen :mad: I couldn't believe it - I was lost. Never felt more naked - I would rather have gone out on the streets naked.

And I couldn't very well go and buy a new one - they were already talking about the replacement. So I went back to my good old N95, and decided to wait. And wait. And wait. And I've actually been doing OK since that. But I haven't looked at it one single time without missing my N900.

I know that I'm going to have difficulties syncronizing my N9, because my company is controlling the access to our MfE server with MDM-software. I'm probably going to sync it with Bluetooth - but I'll live with that.

The reason I'll live with that is because of this community, that is so commited to make this phone a worthy replacement of the N9. I'm looking forward to see my favourite apps again.

Thanks to the community. Thanks to Nokia - I feel sorry for you guys whenever I watch bad news about you. Sure there are a lot of talent among you. Not so sure that applies to the very top of the organisation, though.

See you on the other side!:D

[unfuccwittable]

if you're into paying too much for stuff, the 64GB version of the N9 is available from this seller in the US (Chicago)

http://www.welectronics.com/gsm/Noki...a_N9-64GB.HTML

[jalyst]

Just playing with my black 16GB version, got it today morning. Ou yeah... :)

Only problem is the missing calendar sync with Outlook via USB as Ovi Suite does not recognize, but that was expected. Had to sync calendar first to my old E71 and then to N9 from there via bluetooth.

I'm sure I saw a work-around for that at the whirlpool thread a day or two back
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1785096&p=42
Or it may have been in the main N9 thread here....
Can't recall exactly what the solution involved now.

*edit*
My bad, marrat already answered
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1108108&postcount=9562
Yes I think that was the solution I read.

[warrentaye]

if you're into paying too much for stuff, the 64GB version of the N9 is available from this seller in the US (Chicago)

http://www.welectronics.com/gsm/Noki...a_N9-64GB.HTML

Not a chance, this company is known to be fraudulent. Also the price is ridiculous

I think not . .

[myrjola]

Woke up this morning,
Got yourself a ...


N9

:D

Actually had a busy day at work, but as I was going home in the afternoon and checked my email during the bus ride I noticed an email from Nokia Store titled "N9 preorder".
I had left my email at the store (after the initial batch of 64GB N9's available for preorders had all gone) and they said that they would inform when it would be available. Turned out that it was available already today.

Now I am a happy owner of 64GB N9.
:D:D:D

[Guffaw]

Nice myrjola :D

I tested a demo N9 today. :o
I want my N9! :(

Why did I win :p

[jalyst]

where is nokia N9 64GB why nokia continues to lie.

Please follow this thread, & also share any findings:
N9 16/64GB: worldwide availability & pricing (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1104354#post1104354)

Update in the Saga to secure a 64GB N9 in the States from Malaysia: My contact has found and is willing to ship to me, but it seems that the shipping costs are quite exorbitant (lowest I've found is 70ish USD [DHL]).
What say you, TMO-ers? Do I give up, or press onward?

Thanks for sharing mate, we look forward to hearing how to goes.
Please share developments in the availability thread.
If it gets very detailed/intricate, then it may be better in it's own thread.

[warrentaye]

I agree that the site doesn't feel right but it is at least a brick-and-mortar store (http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=2457+W.+Devon+Ave,+chicago&hl=en&ll=41.997688,-87.692206&spn=0.001106,0.002983&sll=43.626881,-79.37901&sspn=0.016371,0.047722&vpsrc=6&safe=on&hnear=2457+W+Devon+Ave,+Chicago,+Cook,+Illinois+60 659,+United+States&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=41.99769,-87.692104&panoid=fCPHD0-88BICwousQC0jhg&cbp=12,176.31,,0,-3.8). Do you have a link to back up your claim that they're fraudulent?

A simple google for ratings, and well the price? its more than ebay.

Been reading comments like advertising hardware they don't even carry etc.

and trust me I want to believe! lol

[danramos]

Wooosh....:)

Wooosh indeed.

http://www.lowbird.com/data/images/2009/06/5362.gif

[jalyst]

I kinda appreciate what Gerbick/Dan sometimes bang on about WRT elitest dev<->everyone else attitudes:
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=33186#post33186
Just came out of nowhere, the thread is for general discussion, not an e-peen competition. :rolleyes:
Then again he/she is not representative of all the devs....

[marxian]

I now kinda appreciate what gerbick/dan sometimes bang on about WRT elitest, dev<->everyone else attitudes:
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=33186#post33186
Just came out of nowhere, the thread is for general discussion, not an e-peen competition. :rolleyes:
Then again he/she is not representative of all the devs....

Smoku has often demonstrated his lack of communication skills. He somehow managed to fall out with probably the most vocal supporter of the Cordia project. These guys need to learn that there is more to the success of a project that the technical attributes.

[danramos]

I kinda appreciate what Gerbick/Dan sometimes bang on about WRT elitest dev<->everyone else attitudes:
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=33186#post33186
Just came out of nowhere, the thread is for general discussion, not an e-peen competition. :rolleyes:
Then again he/she is not representative of all the devs....

It is what it is. You wonder why I quietly troll maemo.org without posting anything--often not even bothering to log in? They don't want to hear from end users and ESPECIALLY not constructive criticism or ideas for new work they didn't propose themselves.

S'okay... I'll continue hanging out here (sad and depressing as it is, but at least it's communicative) and at the xda forums (where things are rockin' and moving fast somehow despite all the end-users and criticisms). :)

[gerbick]

Isn't Smoku the same one that was all upset with Nokia over the PSX stuff?

I sorta went on a 140 character mini-rant about how close-minded and close-mouthed the N950 privileged developers are and how holding their respective projects so close that ultimately they're crafting a truly avoidable but rather idiotic situation of where once they release something, while not building any type of hype nor marketing, they're just going to develop an app for an audience of zero.

It... makes no sense to me. Let me start in on my app. The world is gonna know about it if I want it to get out and be adopted.

Almost like it's the cool thing to have the most esoteric, unpopular application on the most niche OS out there.

[danramos]

Isn't Smoku the same one that was all upset with Nokia over the PSX stuff?

I sorta went on a 140 character mini-rant about how close-minded and close-mouthed the N950 privileged developers are and how holding their respective projects so close that ultimately they're crafting a truly avoidable but rather idiotic situation of where once they release something, while not building any type of hype nor marketing, they're just going to develop an app for an audience of zero.

It... makes no sense to me. Let me start in on my app. The world is gonna know about it if I want it to get out and be adopted.

Almost like it's the cool thing to have the most esoteric, unpopular application on the most niche OS out there.

Meanwhile, some jerk gets to produce a high-budget movie based on the Battleship board game... and it will be released to a world that DOESN'T WANT IT TO BE RELEASED. ;)

[eaglehelang]

Update in the Saga to secure a 64GB N9 in the States from Malaysia: My contact has found and is willing to ship to me, but it seems that the shipping costs are quite exorbitant (lowest I've found is 70ish USD [DHL]).

What say you, TMO-ers? Do I give up, or press onward?

It's around that price for the shipping, Msia to US rather far you know ;)

[smegheadz]

with forums there's lots of personalities and people in general believe they are correct. the majority of us will act on here as we do in person (mostly) but there will be people who use these tech forums to feel superior, to outshine someone with their abilities of either technical skills, whit, spelling or ability to quote things that sound clever. lots of people have problems with socialising and interacting with people and by arguing or trolling they are getting attention they need. many don't know how to get the communication going with people any other way, or they try and fail and return to just provoking. some are bored and it kills time. some are just plain arrogant and look down on the whole world.

i often dont agree with people or have a different perspective, and there are many times i would love to rub things in and prove someone wrong but it won't get me any satisfaction, and it just makes you look like an arrogant prick. i hate being wrong but i will always accept when i am. i also try to look at things from different angles. part of my job is analysing and figuring things out, looking at things differently. i've been described by the M.D of the company i work for as a strange thinker. i'm supporting people who have spent 5years college doing engineering master degrees and 5-15 years experience with these machines, telling them how to fix things, explaning problems and fixes etc.
Take into account i know no programming languages, have installed and played with linux since early debian and redhat but know next to nothing about using it properly. never been to college, did average in school. i'm a prime target for being looked down on and not being liked by those who have these skills etc.

but as marxian said there is more to the success of a project that the technical attributes

jalyst, the best way to deal with people like that is to not respond as if they insulted you. if you act like you either didn't read it or realise they were being richardheads, then it will annoy them. thread carries on and they can't do anything about it. your enthusiasm and passion invites these from people though. many people are not happy with the n9 so people want an excuse to lash out.

The negative things like destroying, breaking, looking for flaws, hating, putting things or people down or only looking at the bad. All these things are easy, very easy. but they don't provide anything. they just take away. being positive is hard and it is even harder nowadays. but when you look past the flaws like you would your gf/bf/wife/husband/partner/bro/sis/mother/father etc you don't always point out their flaws and miss out on the good?

i'll stop writing as i'm rambling now and i don't proof read what i type cuz i'm lazy haha so woops i i don't make sense.

ps i agree with jalyst and with jnack95. one problem is too many UX's trying to be different. and another is not enough choice. a balance between the 2 would be nice.

[aironeous]

I got mine today...

64GB version ...

nice ...

actually very nice...

It has all I need for a phone: Good browser, excellent email and messaging, excellent calendar, excellent social media and rss integration, excellent maps and navigation, excellent screen, and of course good phone.

Found some small bugs from Skype app but not too disturbing. I hope those will be fixed soon.
Your profile shows ZERO information about where you are located so what you just said meant nothing. It told us nothing.

[anis_ber]

Update in the Saga to secure a 64GB N9 in the States from Malaysia: My contact has found and is willing to ship to me, but it seems that the shipping costs are quite exorbitant (lowest I've found is 70ish USD [DHL]).

What say you, TMO-ers? Do I give up, or press onward?

how much was the 64GB excluding the shipping?

[phatman2600]

Your profile shows ZERO information about where you are located so what you just said meant nothing. It told us nothing.

I'm wondering when we might get ours. It sucks having no info regarding the shipment.

[BigBadGuber!]

I'm wondering when we might get ours. It sucks having no info regarding the shipment.

Anyone still wants N9?

[warrentaye]

Anyone still wants N9?

There are alot of us

[darguzar]

i just don't get it why a non MAEMO or even NON MEEGO firmware phone is discussed in maemo forum.... and there are already 950 pages of it....

[smegheadz]

i just don't get it why a non MAEMO or even NON MEEGO firmware phone is discussed in maemo forum.... and there are already 950 pages of it....

i don't get you? the n9 is/uses maemo 6 which is has been named meego-harmattan (overly simplfied i know but you get my meaning)

[ysss]

I kinda appreciate what Gerbick/Dan sometimes bang on about WRT elitest dev<->everyone else attitudes:
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=33186#post33186
Just came out of nowhere, the thread is for general discussion, not an e-peen competition. :rolleyes:
Then again he/she is not representative of all the devs....

I think smoku has a point, and rather than taking it with a cool head/asking him to clarify you sort of trolled him with your presumptions.

[vetsin]

...there is more to the success of a project that the technical attributes.

that's why i love you man! hehe

marxian for President! :p

[F2thaK]

the more I see the N9 the more I want one!!!!!

[daviss]

to the gent who reported on the N9 being available in Malaysia, which city are you located in? And which store(s) was it available in?

its available in kl,especiallly nokia concept stores n its authorized dealer stalls..

[qwazix]

I want two.

[danramos]

I think smoku has a point, and rather than taking it with a cool head/asking him to clarify you sort of trolled him with your presumptions.

I would almost agree with you except that the context and the curt tone of the reply made it sound more dismissive than constructive--and that seems to be common there.

[gerbick]

Anyone still wants N9?

I actually do. I don't use the phone like most of you guys though... Twitter, Gmail, weather, calendar, some stupid photo effects on a photo I didn't like anyway, maps, Google Voice, a few IM's, Google Analytics, calculator, Evernote and an alarm.

Oh, and wifi tethering... and Pulse.

I'm good. N9 makes it easy to do most of the above, and do it even more simple than my Mango updated Dell Venue Pro - but with much better battery life - and I'm game. If I wanted updates, I still have my Xoom.

Wow. That was actually sad to read.

I just want a simple to use phone. Android is getting a bit too complex, but I'm used to it. I just have to actually concentrate while using it (read: no driving and texting). WP7 is simple as hell, all the stuff is at a glance. And iOS... meh. I had the first 3 iterations of iPhone, don't see myself going back.

[gerbick]

I would almost agree with you except that the context and the curt tone of the reply made it sound more dismissive than constructive--and that seems to be common there.

Well... People do what they like to do, not what you prefer them to...

Roll up your sleeves and lead the consolidation effort.

[danramos]

Well... People do what they like to do, not what you prefer them to...

Roll up your sleeves and lead the consolidation effort.

That could have been followed up with details or at least a pointer to something constructive itself--If that had been intended as a genuine suggestion and not just a dismissive, mind you.

[eaglehelang]

how much was the 64GB excluding the shipping?

MYR2088: USD665
16GB is MYR1799: USD575

[mece]

MYR2088: USD665
16GB is MYR1799: USD575

Damn, that is a lot cheaper than here in the cold north. ~418€ in Malaysia as opposed to 570€ in Finland...

[BwackNinja]

This thread has almost half of this subforum's total posts. It has almost as many posts as the "Software > Design" and "Software > Themes" subforums. It has more posts than the top 2 N900 threads combined. No wonder Jalyst is trying to make people post in other threads...

I wouldn't even be surprised if the whole forum stops working because it operated under the assumption that page numbers could be represented with only 10 bits.

All of this, more demand for the N9 than there is supply, and MeeGo is still dying phoenix style to rise from the ashes as something else. There is something wrong here but I just can't put my finger on it...

[Hihu]

Your profile shows ZERO information about where you are located so what you just said meant nothing. It told us nothing.

Corrected that - Thanks for informing!:o

[0x4e84]

with forums there's lots of personalities and people in general believe they are correct. the majority of us will act on here as we do in person (mostly) but there will be people who use these tech forums to feel superior, to outshine someone with their abilities of either technical skills, whit, spelling or ability to quote things that sound clever. lots of people have problems with socialising and interacting with people and by arguing or trolling they are getting attention they need. many don't know how to get the communication going with people any other way, or they try and fail and return to just provoking. some are bored and it kills time. some are just plain arrogant and look down on the whole world.
(...)

One of the wisest post I've ever read on this forum!
Feels good! :)

[mece]

Oo nice blog post from Konttori:
http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2011/10/n9-on-sale-in-finland-and-few-other.html?spref=tw

First update release is complete, we will be distributing fruits of it to developers soon and end users a bit further down the road.

Improvements are a legion. This is due to the fact that many teams stopped the sales release work already in spring time and set their sights on the first update release. I counted around 3500 improvements (fixes or features) to be in the release.

*excited*

[OVK]

Oo nice blog post from Konttori:
http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2011/10/n9-on-sale-in-finland-and-few-other.html?spref=tw



*excited*

Also PR1.2 is confirmed there.

[sony123]

Oo nice blog post from Konttori:
http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2011/10/n9-on-sale-in-finland-and-few-other.html?spref=tw



*excited*
Sounds like the launch delay was because of hw issue.....

Off topic but I totally agree with Kontorri, I think it would be fantastic to combine Harmattan's swipe ux for home screen/task switcher + WP7's panorama app view....

[Zoxir]

I'm back on the internet after 2 weeks didn't read all of the stuff I missed. Anything shocking happened?? Still no N9 in Greece BTW

[ste-phan]

I'm back on the internet after 2 weeks didn't read all of the stuff I missed. Anything shocking happened?? Still no N9 in Greece BTW

List of official N9 distribution has been adjusted, Greece cancelled, so you may stop waiting and start importing.

http://mynokiablog.com/2011/10/13/more-countries-for-n9-availability-nokia-n9-official-availability-list-updated/

I am getting 64GB N9 from Bangkok soon (cheapest price and found a contact that will carry it in, never mind warranty - I trust Nokia quality and street repair shop skills :p)

[Zoxir]

It's still on Nokia.gr as coming soon wtf? Plus I just preordered the 64 GB from 3d party reseller. 620 euros . They didn't give me a date though.

[Grazy]

I'm hoping the postman will come before 11am , because then i have to leave :)

Edit: just arrived !!!!

Mine did too in the end! the neighbour had it and the postman didnt leave a note!!!

I'm loving it!! :)

[dtergens]

How to Take Screenshots on Nokia N9 with ScreenshotMee ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gah73r17YvQ

[munkiii]

Has "get_iplayer" been made available for the N9 yet?

I know you need to be root to use it, and the Aegis situation could be a problem.

That alone will decide whether i get the N9 or stick with my N900.

[jalyst]

I think smoku has a point, and rather than taking it with a cool head/asking him to clarify you sort of trolled him with your presumptions.

Really, I dont think he had one at all, & it seems most others in this thread agree.
He launched straight into a direct attack* in a thread created to inform the wider community about what's proposed, & get their feed-back.

Up until just after my post, many were freely expressing their thoughts/Qns of the proposal, & how that relates to sister F/OSS projects.
And the vast majority of that expression was of a non-technical nature, as that's clearly what the thread's intended for, engaging the wider community.
So I don't see how what I posted was totally out-of-context, or uncalled for, at all.

What was the point of asking him to clarify? It was clearly a direct attack, & totally off-topic.
The only purpose it served, was to "big note" himself in front of others....
It looks like it earned him some slaps on the back too (judging by the thanks he got), so no doubt his pattern of behaviour won't change.
I responded to a offensive post, with an offensive post, tit-for-tat, fair's, fair...

Anyway I'm over it.....
I've come across plenty of people in my time on the internetz that are simply arse-holes, or going through a bad time, for whatever reason.
So there's no point dwelling on such things....

*& yes it was, please don't try to suggest it wasn't.

[ysss]

I would prefer if you reread that thread again :D

[jalyst]

Hang on, let me switch my superior geek brain on:
It's "re-read that thread" or "read that thread again" you small brained imbecile :rolleyes:

Just clarify what you mean, that'd be simpler. ;)

[jalyst]

Oo nice blog post from Konttori:
http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2011/10/n9-on-sale-in-finland-and-few-other.html?spref=tw
*excited*

OMG!!! Yessss!! w000t! :D :p

List of official N9 distribution has been adjusted, Greece cancelled, so you may stop waiting and start importing.
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/10/13/more-countries-for-n9-availability-nokia-n9-official-availability-list-updated/
I am getting 64GB N9 from Bangkok soon (cheapest price and found a contact that will carry it in, never mind warranty - I trust Nokia quality and street repair shop skills :p)

But Vietnam is definitely getting it.
Someone at the whirlpool.net.au forum was recently there, & saw some pre-launch advertising/promos etc.
Or are you just tired of waiting?

[erendorn]

Really, I dont think he had one at all, & it seems most others in this thread agree.
He launched straight into a direct attack* in a thread created to inform the wider community about what's proposed, & get their feed-back.
Not sure on the agreeing part, as his post gathered more thanks than either your original one or your answer to his (for whatever worth this metric is).
Not sure on the direct attack either, he was "freely expressing his thoughts of the proposal", just from the developper side:

"people working on their free time do work on whatever they fancy (regardless on what they should do, or what is usefull for other people)"
followed by

"But you can try to convince them to fancy working on the same thing"

This is clearly not wrong, neither OT. Although I really find Smoku's communication skills abysmal, your reaction also seemed out of the line for me.

ps: I don't mean to be aggressive or anything, just saying that not everyone agrees on smoku's full responsability on this.

[ste-phan]

OMG!!! Yessss!! w000t! :D :p



But Vietnam is definitely getting it.
Someone at the whirlpool.net.au forum was recently there, & saw some pre-launch advertising/promos etc.
Or are you just tired of waiting?

Yes, indeed, the fever to secure the 64GB version took hand over the reason. Faster and (a little) cheaper.
I must say Nokia -and speaking for myself- Nokia is doing a good job in creating artificial shortages to boost sales.

Same strategy was used by HP recently. Especially Pre 3 sold out at reasonable sales prices to people fearing they might not get it.
That said, my Pre 3 is catching dust for the moment together with 2 spare N900 :rolleyes:

[jalyst]

"people working on their free time do work on whatever they fancy (regardless on what they should do, or what is usefull for other people)"

And you don't think I know that? Why would he feel the necessity to point that out?
You honestly think his motive extends no further than pointing out the obvious.

followed by

"But you can try to convince them to fancy working on the same thing"


I'm not 100% clear on what you're saying in the above sentence, but you get that out of?
Setting goals for others is in the same category.
Talking is cheap. Show me your code. ;P

Not sure on the direct attack either, he was "freely expressing his thoughts of the proposal"
This is clearly not wrong, neither OT. Although I really find Smoku's communication skills abysmal


No, he wasn't "freely expressing his thoughts on the proposal"...
He was "casting -unfounded- aspersions" as to the colour and content of my post.
It's not a matter of his communication being abysmal, it's entirely clear what he was doing.

...your reaction also seemed out of the line for me.

I'd be interested to you see your or ysss's reaction...
If you posted something as prosaic as I did, & got the same response.

[Cue]

No, he wasn't "freely expressing his thoughts on the proposal"...
He was "casting -unfounded- aspersions" as to the colour and content of my post.
It's not a matter of his communication being abysmal, it's entirely clear what he was doing.

seriously, WhoTF cares "who started it". The discussion of who's to blame is becoming worse than the discussion itself. It was a misunderstanding which got a bit hostile but I bet if either of you stopped and asked the other if they meant to be hostile you both would get a resounding "No" and we can all kiss and make up and get along again.

[daviss]

just watched a tv news..n tat there r bunch of ppl queuin to be no.1 for 80hrs to buy a deadman's fone..till now i stil cant make out wat those ppl r thnkin..now tat the cult leader is gone,wonder how long the cult survive..sori,offtopic..pls ignore..

[scapegoat845]

Not sure if this was posted here yet, but i've been keeping an eye on Expansys.....
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=78574&page=13

[jalyst]

seriously, WhoTF cares "who started it". The discussion of who's to blame is becoming worse than the discussion itself. It was a misunderstanding which got a bit hostile but I bet if either of you stopped and asked the other if they meant to be hostile you both would get a resounding "No" and we can all kiss and make up and get along again.

I just find it amazing that erendorn & ysss could honestly see it that way.
However..."to each his own". Happy to leave it as is... :)

[salman_m]

MYR2088: USD665
16GB is MYR1799: USD575

Will you be able to purchase and send to me in US

[jalyst]

Will you be able to purchase and send to me in US

Please post that Qn in this thread:
N9 16/64GB: worldwide availability & pricing (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1104354#post1104354)

[eaglehelang]

Will you be able to purchase and send to me in US

Shipping costs are expensive, as another forum member said, around USD70+.

[Chuck Norris]

who in this thread don’t have a n9?

[smegheadz]

who in this thread don’t have a n9?

this could turn into a "which one of you is spartacus" moment :P

[marxian]

who in this thread don’t have a n9?

Me. But I have the N950. :p

[jalyst]

who in this thread don’t have a n9?

"solemnly raises hand"

[Guffaw]

who in this thread don’t have a n9?

Yes and no. Whyowhy! :(

[moepda]

who in this thread don’t have a n9?

me :( and wont be unless i win the lottery !!! with no uk carrier support and no +/- £600 sim free i like many have got no chance...

will stick N900 until it dies most likely as i sure am not getting WP8 !!

[Jedibeeftrix]

who in this thread don’t have a n9?

me.............. as yet.

N9 on order from Finland, should ship to a friend in the next couple of days, and then on to blighty from there.

JBT

[cortek]

who in this thread don’t have a n9?

I don't either. I am however brushing up on my spanish for the pilgrimage south if need be.

[daviss]

who in this thread don’t have a n9?

me..pity me..hope im lucky enuf to win 1,else it wil b end of the yr..

[daviss]

Has "get_iplayer" been made available for the N9 yet?

I know you need to be root to use it, and the Aegis situation could be a problem.

That alone will decide whether i get the N9 or stick with my N900.

fren,hav a look
forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4575&page=8

forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4575&page=9

[cm6]

who in this thread don’t have a n9?

Me. I feel like I've been trolled by the N9 Seconds crew... :mad:

So much for being "among the first to get your hands on the N9 once it's available for sale."

[salman_m]

Shipping costs are expensive, as another forum member said, around USD70+.

I am ok with shipping costs. Can you email your contact info. salmanmo at hotmail dot com

thx

[Zoxir]

who in this thread don’t have a n9?

I wont havwe it atleast until the 30th of october

[Vaskinn]

@Jalyst

Ok. Let me describe to you what I see from my angle:

He summed up in two sentences what you can expect from people, and suggested what you could do if you wanted things done your way.
Not wrapping things in cotton is a common programmer trait. We're used to expressing thing in short concise computer languages with a strict syntax and literal interpretation, and no unnessesary fluff. I guess some of us bring that into our regular language. (Me included)
That guy even littered his post with smilies to "soften" it.

So what can you do?

Using myself as an example: I'm a programmer. When at work I'm paid to program what other people want, and if I want to do stuff my way I have to "sell" the idea to my bosses.
If and when I have the energy to program anything on my spare time you can be sure I'm going to put the effort where I want it. I'll essentially be making my program with a target audience of one.

Asking people to use their time to work on what you think is important, instead of what they want, simply isn't going to work, no matter how politely you do it.

Now there are a few things you as a non-programmer can do the get me to do what you want:
1: Convince me that a program/feature will be useful to me
2: Convince me that a program/feature is "cool" and will increase my status, or some other non.
3: Offer to do the boring parts of the job (that would be the "lead the consolidation effort" bit, among other things)
4: Convince me that it poses an interesting challenge. (Programmers love interesting challenges, try walking up to one and then claim something can't be done)
5: Offer me something in return. N950, Money, Dinner, Beer, Date with your hot sister.
6: Offer to do the boring parts of the job (this is worth repeating, but we may have very different ideas about what is boring)

Now you seem like a passionate guy with a lot of ideas. So if you start up a thread with suggestions for small programs (app is a bad word) that could be cool/useful/interesting I'll be sure to read it. And once I have found time to make a program to fix one tiny annoyance I have with the N9 I might pick one of the suggestions. (And you get to do the marketing if you like ;) cause that's one of the boring parts)

[erendorn]

@jaylist
Also remember that for a dev behind a project, asking to merge projects or join effort to a project is an implicit public call for him to drop his project. This hurt sensitivities and lead to defensive answers.
For an example of that, see what happens on TMO when anybody says "let's stop contributing to [MeeGo|Maemo] and focus on [Maemo|MeeGo|Tizen]!".
Consider that when you judge his contribution as hostile and trolling ;)

[jalyst]

@Jalyst
He summed up in two sentences what you can expect from people, and suggested what you could do if you wanted things done your way.

Except that isn't what he did at all...
It was a personal attack, plain & simple.
Wrapping it as "programmar speak" doesn't cut it, sorry.
Why do you asume I'm a "non-programmar" right off the bat?

I am not a programmar*, not being a programmar however...
Does not in any way make my ideas/opinions any less valid.
Not being a programmar, does not make me any less intelligent.

When I make a post like that....
It's not done with some kind of expectation that this is what must happen.
It's a benign idea, that doesn't need the kind of interjection that sprung up.

You've made a very well constructed post beyond that though.
So I will keep some of your suggestions in mind.

*I was in a former life, but many years ago, & only for a brief period.
And I do have a experienced & technical (among other fields) background.

[mikecomputing]

Sounds like the launch delay was because of hw issue.....

Off topic but I totally agree with Kontorri, I think it would be fantastic to combine Harmattan's swipe ux for home screen/task switcher + WP7's panorama app view....

yeah they had to remove BT4.0 and some other HW and include it to WP instead : @

[mikecomputing]

List of official N9 distribution has been adjusted, Greece cancelled, so you may stop waiting and start importing.

http://mynokiablog.com/2011/10/13/more-countries-for-n9-availability-nokia-n9-official-availability-list-updated/

I am getting 64GB N9 from Bangkok soon (cheapest price and found a contact that will carry it in, never mind warranty - I trust Nokia quality and street repair shop skills :p)

yep Microsoft will sponsor Greek with WP phones for free instead ;)

[jalyst]

@jaylist
Also remember that for a dev behind a project, asking to merge projects or join effort to a project is an implicit public call for him to drop his project. This hurt sensitivities and lead to defensive answers.
For an example of that, see what happens on TMO when anybody says "let's stop contributing to [MeeGo|Maemo] and focus on [Maemo|MeeGo|Tizen]!".
Consider that when you judge his contribution as hostile and trolling ;)

That's a good point. I can appreciate that.
If that's what motivated the tone of his response, it would've been good if he was clearer.
I'm not entirely sure if it was though, we'll never know.
Anyway lets get off this.... :)

[aironeous]

" Originally Posted by smegheadz
with forums there's lots of personalities and people in general believe they are correct. the majority of us will act on here as we do in person (mostly)but there will be people who use these tech forums to feel superior, to outshine someone with their abilities of either technical skills, whit, spelling or ability to quote things that sound clever."


#idonthavethefactstobackthisupbut

This is Elop being congratulated for keeping the N9 out of the US and UK.
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h204/gbbaker/elop.png

[BigBadGuber!]

Where are the lines for N9, while everywhere people are lining up for iphone 4s????

[BigBadGuber!]

forgot the link:

this is how you drum up a product!

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/14/tech/mobile/iphone-4s-sale/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

[Chuck Norris]

True, but not necessarily a better product :)

[JohnHughes]

Mine did too in the end! the neighbour had it and the postman didnt leave a note!!!

I'm loving it!! :)
you have nice neighbours. I wouldn't trust mine to give me a letter, never mind an N9!

[morbid]

Where are the lines for N9, while everywhere people are lining up for iphone 4s????

Perhaps it's because we, at tmo, are not dumb sheep?

[JohnHughes]

Where are the lines for N9, while everywhere people are lining up for iphone 4s????

Lines, we don't have no steenkin lines, we have EBAY and intercontinental air travel.:)

[ysss]

We're trailblazing hermits with logistic issues.

[jalyst]

N9's future Sirrah?
http://simon-listens.org/index.php?id=122&L=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfx8qRi6pYQ

[jalyst]

You WILL be assimilated :D

Microsoft doles out the dough to Nokia and Samsung, plans Mango marketing bonanza for year's end
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/14/microsoft-doles-out-the-dough-to-nokia-and-samsung-plans-mango/

[mikecomputing]

A bit pissed about the fact that BT4.0 really was a HOAX I really hoped for an update with support for this until I realized wl1273 does NOT support BT 4.0 :(

[scapegoat845]

N9's future Sirrah?
http://simon-listens.org/index.php?id=122&L=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfx8qRi6pYQ

Wow, Impressive. Pretty fast too. One can hope..

[afaq]

jalyst you deserve an N9 considering how much effort you put into this thread.

[jalyst]

For those of you that don't know....
mynokiablog has been doing a bucket-load of N9 coverage over the past wk or so.

They did a whole series of small write-ups accompanied by a video review.
I've posted most of the the video reviews they did (last I checked) below.
But you may want to chase the original accompanying write-up/user comments.

Much of it is pretty sloppy/amateurish, but they've made a big effort, & covered quite a lot.
I believe this was their final summary review, tying all their mini/vid reviews together:
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/10/12/nokia-n9-review-summary-and-overall-thoughts-warning-long-read/
There may have been plenty more vids/reviews posted since though, not sure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5lfLbOBTA3Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U9Fg1Wpq5g&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kfwmDrP0nYg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8-rBI4okub0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sXgvaI9cnD8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGZFwY8L8lA&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33Mmpn8eJYk&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ-qVIS2v68&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xK2kuGJrTs0&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4IFuNdIqeo&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ae87uBRVQNk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ae87uBRVQNk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=i9286BwXykI

Other N9 videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2SaL30_RLI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAFD34RPUf4&feature=player_embedded

[crisscross]

Oo nice blog post from Konttori:
http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2011/10/n9-on-sale-in-finland-and-few-other.html?spref=tw



*excited*

What is the meaning of this? 16 extra pixel rows? Where?
"When I'm looking at the next generation of CPU/GPU combinations, I'm almost speechless on what could be done with them. We were stuggling so much with N9 to get the 60 fps possible on the 848x480 display (have you guys noticed hidden 16 pixel rows by the way? <- hackers take a peek and gain a few thousand pixels more) with the limits that we had."

[jalyst]

A bit pissed about the fact that BT4.0 really was a HOAX I really hoped for an update with support for this until I realized wl1273 does NOT support BT 4.0 :(

http://www.qtness.com/blog/?p=58

Plus what about that BT4.0 cert we saw.
I don't think it ever got to the point where BT4 was definitely not coming.

[jalyst]

jalyst you deserve an N9 considering how much effort you put into this thread.

LOL, not really, but if someone's offering I'll gladly relieve them of it :D

[Arie]

LOL, not really, but if someone's offering I'll gladly relieve them of it :D

I ended up getting the N9 that you were suppose to get from Harvey Norman :p

[jalyst]

Ahhh tis you!!!
I thought you had a different username at whirlpool?

[Arie]

Ahhh tis you!!!
I thought you had a different username at whirlpool?

My friend bought it for me, he's the one on the whirpool forum, I am the new owner of that N9 in the US... I even posted the story about it on my blog, www.everythingn9.com first post, just for you :)

[SR90]

The Gsmarena's review for n9 is up :D

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n9-review-659.php

PS , I can't wait 'till my n9 gets to Vancouver on monday ! the Fedex

express shipping is not fast enough for me ! lol

And thanks JALYST for all the effort you have put into this thread ;)

[BigBadGuber!]

Just dont get your N9 from England. Their phones are full of poop:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-15284501

[jalyst]

My friend bought it for me, he's the one on the whirpool forum, I am the new owner of that N9 in the US... I even posted the story about it on my blog, www.everythingn9.com first post, just for you :)

Hahaha, yep that's my post @whirlpool verbatim
http://everythingn9.com/?p=4
Well Americans, there is a silver lining in there somewhere, at least for some of you :D

And thanks JALYST for all the effort you have put into this thread ;)

Cheers mate.
I actually haven't done much at all yet, but kudos is good, I'll take it :D

[xerxes2]

New Nokia Meego phone? :D
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/10/14/unannounced-1-4ghz-nokia-710-specs-at-nokia-developer-page-symbian-or-windows-phone/

Edit: It says "Internet tablet OS 2008", could be an internal joke at Nokia. :D
http://mynokiablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/nokia-710.jpg

[tissot]

Another huge N9 review
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/10/15/n9-review-by-nokiagadgets/

[phatman2600]

Why does USPS suck with tracking? How long does international first class mail usually take to get to the United States?

[scapegoat845]

Another huge N9 review
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/10/15/n9-review-by-nokiagadgets/

That's how a review supposed to be done. My Nokia Blog's was horrendous

[qwazix]

yep Microsoft will sponsor Greek with WP phones for free instead ;)

plaisio.gr removed the 16GB preorder page. The 64GB is still there with the price that the 16GB had until yesterday. Strange. (629eur if you are curious)

On the other hand Nokia.gr even has it as icon for the 'phones' category.

If the prices started dropping even before release, I'm going to wait.

[BigBadGuber!]

Excellent review from GSMArena...i love this paragraph:
"Beautiful. Simple. Brilliant. Out of place and hardly on time. Timeless. The Nokia N9 is a story with no happy ending but you want to enjoy every word. Sad story. Post-coital kind of sad"

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n9-review-659p10.php

[oweng]

Excellent review from GSMArena...i love this paragraph:
"Beautiful. Simple. Brilliant. Out of place and hardly on time. Timeless. The Nokia N9 is a story with no happy ending but you want to enjoy every word. Sad story. Post-coital kind of sad"

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n9-review-659p10.php

They took the words right out of my mouth:

"If anyone is let down, it's the Nokia N9 itself. The platform is as good as doomed. Forsaken by its own creator. With Nokia giving up on MeeGo and a price tag that confines the N9 to a premium niche, it will be next to impossible for the OS to grow a substantial user base. Without users, developers won’t be too interested in MeeGo either. And the limited number of apps is the platform's biggest weakness."

[darguzar]

so what i mean is can it be edited or modified just like the N900.... since it is linux based.. by the meaning haing Xterm to edit and programming in linux....

[mikecomputing]

http://www.qtness.com/blog/?p=58

Plus what about that BT4.0 cert we saw.
I don't think it ever got to the point where BT4 was definitely not coming.

I don get what you mean?

I mean its IMPOSSIBLE to get BT4.0 if the is no chip inside the device that support it. WL1273 definitivly not support it.

Maybe there is some external chip inside that support it but if soo can you point me too where this rumors can really get confirmed for REAL.

Cause I am really intrested to know about this.

(Same goes for NFC)

Or maybe they mean "next generation HW of N9" will support it but not first batches?

[jalyst]

That's how a review supposed to be done. My Nokia Blog's was horrendous

I hate MNB forum software, I don't know why more users dont frequent nokia gadgets.
It outputs similar levels of content, only one person too I believe, & usually less "fud".

[jalyst]

I don get what you mean?

I mean its IMPOSSIBLE to get BT4.0 if the is no chip inside the device that support it. WL1273 definitivly not support it.

Maybe there is some external chip inside that support it but if soo can you point me too where this rumors can really get confirmed for REAL.

Cause I am really intrested to know about this.

(Same goes for NFC)

Or maybe they mean "next generation HW of N9" will support it but not first batches?

I know the thread you're basing that on, but we never confirmed that it def. uses that chip.
And the basis for that chip not supporting BT4.0 hasn't been completely solidified either.
Yes there was that forum response by a TI rep*, but that's not exactly concrete...
And are you forgetting about the BT4.0 certification?
And what about advice from senior management in Australia that it's planned as an update?
I gave you the link before:
The N9 ships with Bluetooth 2.1 but 4.0 is planned as an update.
The update will allow NFC sharing to piggyback over Wifi (through the Bluetooth High Speed protocol).

*or was it one of the network chip co's, can't recall OTTOMH now

[gerbick]

So... bluetooth 4 is a no-go too?

[hotnikkelz]

So... bluetooth 4 is a no-go too?

Yip....all the hollaballoo for nothing "sigh"

[daviss]

jalyst you deserve an N9 considering how much effort you put into this thread.

second tat..effort appreciated..

[daviss]

Where are the lines for N9, while everywhere people are lining up for iphone 4s????

just watched a tv news..n tat there r bunch of ppl queuin to be no.1 for 80hrs to buy a deadman's fone..till now i stil cant make out wat those ppl r thnkin..now tat the cult leader is gone,wonder how long the cult survive..sori,offtopic..pls ignore..

hope nobody in TMO was doin tat stupidoo stuf...

[aironeous]

Why does USPS suck with tracking? How long does international first class mail usually take to get to the United States?
They suck for sure. I just went there and showed them the print out of Denmark post office saying it got sent to US and then their own page saying really no information and i said can you tell me where my package is and she flat out said no.
It's only been 6 days it should be atleast 10 days she says.
Which means I will not get it by Monday when I have to leave to go to the Philippines and which also means I have to find a way for my roommates to accept it so hopefully they don't require ID showing they are me and signing it. Hopefully they can just sign it for me. Also you know how rthe postman are they will just knock once and walk away in 5 seconds and move to the next house and leave a note comep pick it up at the post office and prove you are me with ID or it gets sent back to the sender.
I am really pissed off if i don't get it before i leave and it gets sent back with no way to accept it.
Wall of text, I'm mad. :mad:

[gerbick]

I'm not lending BigBadGuber! a hand here... but I'll be honest. His one comment has merit... people were actually lined up for the iPhone 4S. No people were lined up - at least not reported - for the Nokia N9.

We're (at least me, I don't mind the jokes) looking for a poorly distributed, and honestly overpriced for what it offers hardware-wise and the software is not yet ready for prime time, yet it still is a neat project for an OS; Aegis excepted, that part sucks.

Worse part? We will never see lines for the Nokia WP7 offerings as the iPhone devices. And while each and every Linux lovin' fanatic will say "Feh, to Hell with the Apple devices..." they sell. They sell instantly in high numbers.

Something like that needs to happen for Nokia or their sales - despite today being greater than most others - and their share will continue to erode.

[ysss]

You get what you pay for. First class mail is just one level up from the bottom afaik. Go for priority, express or even use DHL, UPS or FedEx to get it quicker with more tracking granularity.

About postmen walking away with your package: don't you think they'd prefer to lessen their load by leaving the package with you? Leave a note, saying you're inside. They probably are bored making judgement calls day in and day out, guessing whether people are at home asleep, in the bathroom, at the corner drugstore, away at work or maybe outaide queuing for a new phone.

[slai]

No people were lined up - at least not reported - for the Nokia N9.

I was lined up. Behind this one other guy.

[ste-phan]

Love(n9) the phone for it's design and innovation. Apple lead the train for a few years ago, but now it's same old same old and nothing new at all. People love that and that's fine. But if you have the opportunity to have and test several phones you never want same old same old. Unless you are a regular user who wants things you know and can handle, the IPhone is an excellent choice for you.

iOS is for old modernized people. your daddy has an iPhone. ;)

N9 is a great device but miscast as a prelude to WP7 style of Nokia phones.
I still like same old. N900 felt very familiar. I felt at home using it from the first day. Don't understand this "for geek" image as that is the other half of it.
Same old would be great as it would mean mature: I'd love to go back to end 2010 and line up for the N900s and see N9 mass promoted for the iPhone folks early 2011.

Nokia has given up on itself to lead that train the day they partnered with intel and delay Harmattan for MeeGo. And Microsoft (may have) just profited from that.

[phatman2600]

They suck for sure. I just went there and showed them the print out of Denmark post office saying it got sent to US and then their own page saying really no information and i said can you tell me where my package is and she flat out said no.
It's only been 6 days it should be atleast 10 days she says.
Which means I will not get it by Monday when I have to leave to go to the Philippines and which also means I have to find a way for my roommates to accept it so hopefully they don't require ID showing they are me and signing it. Hopefully they can just sign it for me. Also you know how rthe postman are they will just knock once and walk away in 5 seconds and move to the next house and leave a note comep pick it up at the post office and prove you are me with ID or it gets sent back to the sender.
I am really pissed off if i don't get it before i leave and it gets sent back with no way to accept it.
Wall of text, I'm mad. :mad:

I'm sorry to hear this. I have had some bad experiences with USPS.

[Zoxir]

plaisio.gr removed the 16GB preorder page. The 64GB is still there with the price that the 16GB had until yesterday. Strange. (629eur if you are curious)

On the other hand Nokia.gr even has it as icon for the 'phones' category.

If the prices started dropping even before release, I'm going to wait.

I preordered the 64 GB from plaisio.gr the guy on the phone said they are expecting it at the end of the month but didn't sound really sure. i hope they don't fvck me over :p

[eaglehelang]

I was lined up. Behind this one other guy.

There is a line actually. But Nokia is nice, no need line up outside the shop(tsk tsk), put a deposit to order, if there's enough stock & the name high enough in the list, get free gift to go along too. :p:p:p

I think I was no. 20 sthing in the list for pre-order, that was 2 weeks before launch, before they even open for pre-order. 1st time ever Nokia has ''waiting list' :D

[0x4e84]

Anybody else from this thread taking part to the Qt DevDays in Munich this year?

I've started a new discussion here about it:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1109038#post1109038

[Hakki_01]

I know the thread you're basing that on, but we never confirmed that it def. uses that chip.
And the basis for that chip not supporting BT4.0 hasn't been completely solidified either.
Yes there was a forum response by a co. rep, but that's not exactly concrete...
And are you forgetting about the BT4.0 certification?
And what about advice from senior management in Australia that it's coming with the 1st update?
I gave you the link before:

gsmarena mentions BT 3.0 in the review.. I guess difference between 3 and 4 is just energy consumtion, but not transfer speed?

[aironeous]

I'm sorry to hear this. I have had some bad experiences with USPS.
look at your package tracking. It just arrived in New Jersey

[jalyst]

Yip....all the hollaballoo for nothing "sigh"

Proof where?
Mike's claims aren't exactly water tight yet.

[mikecomputing]

I know the thread you're basing that on, but we never confirmed that it def. uses that chip.
And the basis for that chip not supporting BT4.0 hasn't been completely solidified either.
Yes there was a forum response by a co. rep, but that's not exactly concrete...
And are you forgetting about the BT4.0 certification?
And what about advice from senior management in Australia that it's coming with the 1st update?
I gave you the link before:

wl1273 is used and only support bt2.1 lspci in terminal confirms that. there is no bt4 its hoax until someone shows facts. dont get me wrong but I just want proves not rumors ir some cert.

[JamesBond@ge]

Some Android people have too wake up and don't be so damn naive.

First of I am not a Nokia fanboy! But if you guys thinks that "Android is the future" cause of its "openess" or "support" well then you really of blind how bussiness works!

If you think all those manufactors will support the Android in the long time your also wrong.

End of 2012 this may very well changed ALOT.

For example I dont think Samsung will run Android end of 2012.

Same goes for SE. 2011 they did say "We go for Android" but now saying "Well we lock very close at WP but has no intrest atm. but it may change..."

And you really is foolish if you think Motorola will help Google:s Android in this patent wars in the long run.

You can say Maemo(Meego) is dead end too us who still prefer this platform. But don't come say Android is the way too go.

Its time for you people too wake up! If people prefer a phone like N9 go buy it. If people like SGS2 go buy it but DO NOT expect any company too give you support for long time! Its bussiness as usual.

This discussion about Android better than Maemo OR company A is better than B etc.. is just plain ridicilous! If you dont like Maemo Harmattan+Qt go buy an Android but dont think you can convince the rest of the word that youre right its just plain stupid! We all are different. Its like saying too christian people they must be buddist or Muslims should be Ateist. We all are different accept this! Dont feed people saying your an idiot if buying N9!

Why bother to be here at TMO? Are you people that stupid soo you all think users who intrested too buy N9 will change theyr mind cause you think you are some kind of "better person cause I a soo smart cause I go buy Android device instead?"

I dont think soo :-(

I am just plain sick of reading it over and over again. So its time for me add three more persons too the ignore list!

Sing along with us Michael:

ANDROID! Cha cha cha

ANDROID! Cha cha cha

ANDROID! Cha cha cha

ANDROID! Cha cha cha

ANDROID! Cha cha cha

ANDROID! Cha cha cha

ANDROID! Cha cha cha

ANDROID! Cha cha cha

ANDROID! Cha cha cha

ANDROID! Cha cha cha

ANDROID! Cha cha cha

ANDROID! Cha cha cha

[JamesBond@ge]

But what I dont get is why some Android users are here when they only intrested too talk about how good Android mobiles is and how stupid Nokia and how "N9 will not be supported and there will be no apps"

Because it's true, Michael Computing.

What else is there to say about the N9 really? I'm not spending £529 on a phone that is going to be obsolete as quick as it started.

So yeah, the N9 is stupid, pointless, will not be supported, is expensive and could cost you a full head of hair trying to get hold of one in the first place.

Stop being in denial, you need to come to terms with the fact that Android (or anything other than what Nokia produces) is where it's at.

<removed>

[mikecomputing]

gsmarena mentions BT 3.0 in the review.. I guess difference between 3 and 4 is just energy consumtion, but not transfer speed?

actually bt4 is not backward compatible so ship must be dualband.

wl1273 wifi and bt chip has 2.1. so actually there could be a external btchip but i really doubt until prof. one thing is for sure gsmarena and such sites has no clue.

reason i dont beleive in a external bt chip is where is the damn driver lspci do not list any...

[jalyst]

wl1273 is used and only support bt2.1 lspci in terminal confirms that. there is no bt4 its hoax until someone shows facts. dont get me wrong but I just want proves not rumors ir some cert.

Where's the proof that only wl1273 could be used for BT, & not something else?
And where's the proof that wl1273 definitely cannot support BT4.0?

[xerxes2]

First hit at mr. g:
http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?contentId=29993&navigationId=12762&templateId=6123

[jalyst]

The N9 ships with Bluetooth 2.1 but 4.0 is planned as an update. The update will allow NFC sharing to piggyback over Wifi (through the Bluetooth High Speed protocol.
Source:
http://www.qtness.com/blog/?p=58

Now to use Bluetooth High Speed protocol, it has to be using at least BT3.0
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth#Bluetooth_v3.0_.2B_HS

I'll get xsacha from whirlpool.net.au...
To see if he can double-check with Nokia Australia senior management once again.


First hit at mr. g:
http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?contentId=29993&navigationId=12762&templateId=6123

Doesn't demonstrate that wl1273 "can't" support BT4.0.
That just proves that it supports BT2.1 + EDR...
Plus we still don't know for sure that wl1273 is what's used for BT.

[xerxes2]

@jalyst
Maybe you should learn how to read BEFORE you post. :p From the link supplied above:
"Supports latest Bluetooth low-energy (Bluetooth 4.0) and Bluetooth 3.0 specifications"

[jalyst]

It's more a case of post before read. semantics.
I was actually about to read it in more depth.
Thanks for ensuring I don't have to. ;)

That doco must've been updated recently*, as I'm quite certain I did that search & looked at it once.
Or at least someone else did, & linked to it...

As I hoped-for/suspected all along....
*EDIT*
But to support BT4.0 the chip must be wl1273l, I think lspci reveals wl1273 right?
Could just simply mean the driver there now, will be replaced w/a more suitable one come PR1.1/2.

*doc edit date doesn't seem to have been updated though.

[gerbick]

I was lined up. Behind this one other guy.

Let's compare sales of the two devices and stock prices of the two companies. I'm not trying to troll here, I'm honestly glad that you and that other guy got your N9 preorders.

I hear preorder amounts in like... 20, 30 per store, if not higher. I'm in a smaller city and the preorders for something like Gears of War 3 was over 110. The local Apple store had over 1000 preorders for the iPhone 4S.

That doesn't say that the stores aren't nice or nicer (not sure how the **** that got pulled into the train of thought) or that Nokia doesn't have the stock - apparently they don't have the 64gb in numbers or people wouldn't be repeatedly looking and asking for them - but you're talking about walking into a store and buying a N9.

Try that in America. Or UK. Or Germany. Or France. Or Canada. Or Japan. Or Mongolia.

I'm being far beyond honest with my statements. The distribution of the N9 is as silly and uneven as the idea of lining up overnight around the block for a mass-produced device. But one means high as heck sales, one adds frustration to your purchase convenience.

We'll have this discussion next year when the Nokia WP7 devices have been released. I want to see the sales. The Mango update isn't making a dent in the US sales yet. It's doubtful that Nokia can save WP7 - and no, I didn't make a mistake on this one, it's not the other way around.

[slai]

not preorders. the preorders were gone a week before deliverydate to the webstore. this was a physical store i happened to go in to that happened to have gotten the n9 in just moments before i walked in.

[babraq]

For masses of people in front of stores, you need few things. First, hype. That's crutial part. Without it nothing will happen. Second, you need to tell people when it's going to be available. Apple master this two things. Nokia, well... Neither one of them.

[gerbick]

not preorders. the preorders were gone a week before deliverydate to the webstore. this was a physical store i happened to go in to that happened to have gotten the n9 in just moments before i walked in.

You still overlooked that you cannot simply walk into any of the aforesaid countries and buy one.

Nor if the N9 sales will come close in their entirety to what the iPhone 4S did on day one. I blame the distribution of the N9... it should have been better.

Oh, and now we hear that the iPhone 4S is the first Bluetooth 4 phone. I was about to call shenanigans on that, but later found out that there will have to be an update on the N9 to go from BT 2.1 + EDR to BT 4, if it's possible (arguments are ongoing in other threads).

Yet another missed marketing opportunity.

[unfuccwittable]

lol why are we discussing lining up for phones? the fvck does that have to do with the price of tea in china? you guys talk about people lining up for phones like it happens all the time. It doesn't. PEOPLE ONLY LINE UP FOR APPLE PHONES. The Samsung Galaxy S 2 is one wildly successful phone. It's sold in the multi millions in a few weeks. People aren't lining up for that sh1t, either.* the point is, people don't ususally line up for cell phones, and when they do, it's quite rare other than apple products. Apple's Reality Distortion Field can convince otherwise thinking and reasoning people that incremental updates to hardware and a sexy version on bonzi buddy are worth waiting 9 days(!) in line for.**

*except for the few people in Australia trying to get one for 2 dollars at that crazy sale.
**those same folks will be lined up for the iPhone 5 next year, too.

[gerbick]

lol why are we discussing lining up for phones?

Then why the **** aren't we talking about sales numbers. Real, hard mother****ing numbers.

Let's see them. Sprint, AT&T, Verizon all are touting "best numbers" for a device. Samsung talks about their Galaxy S II sale numbers.

Nokia? Dead silent.

What part of that equation is so damn hard to understand? Everybody else is talking about sales, Nokia is talking about what's supposed to come. And it's on an OS that doesn't have a foothold in the US, the land of its origin.

Lining up = sales

Marketing is so misunderstood by you people here. Mainly because they don't market to people like us... geeks champion some of the stupidest things because it makes sense to them.

But in this case, cold hard numbers will showcase which is selling the best. And that's what I'm equating lining up to. Sales.

Say it with me... mother****ing sales. Not debates on which OS or UI or app market or screen or SoC or CPU or GPU or <insert whatever you want>... but distribution channels, marketing and sales.

The things that actually keep a company up and running. Sales.

In fact... I'm not discussing much more than my quest to obtain 30 or so N9's - I've had 7 people drop out of wanting a N9, just tired of the "wait and see/hope" situation if you're in North America to obtain one - but I'm focusing in on numbers.

WP7, Nokia N9, iPhone 4S, Samsung Galaxy S II, et al. Sales. The rest can enjoy this masturbatory conversation about what's the best - it really produces nothing, doesn't even affect the company's bottom line.

Straight mother****ing sales numbers... that's a fact that is sorely missing from this thread.

[qwazix]

I preordered the 64 GB from plaisio.gr the guy on the phone said they are expecting it at the end of the month but didn't sound really sure. i hope they don't fvck me over :p

They told me end of november on the phone...

[eaglehelang]

Sales figures ? They didnt make enough units to sell like Iphone or Samsung, it's not mass production.
It's 'limited availability', regardless what gsmarena said, means limited edition.
Means it's not intended to sell a lot, due to Mr Elop.:mad:
But the Nokia staff seem very enthusiastic about it.

You want one? Oh sorry, sold out, there's only 200 units. Or 100 units. N9 is the only Nokia model positioned that way, as in 'get it before it runs out'

[Mandibela]

Straight mother****ing sales numbers... that's a fact that is sorely missing from this thread.

I don't recall one single model of Nokia released phones that they quoted a number of units sold. All I can find are speculations.

Has anyone any numbers? Heard of someone who had some?

[dansus]

Because it's true, Michael Computing.

What else is there to say about the N9 really? I'm not spending £529 on a phone that is going to be obsolete as quick as it started.


You obviously have no interest in the N9 and what it represents, so why are you here?

[unfuccwittable]

Gerbick, unless you own stock on these companies, why the fvck do you care how much they've sold? Speaking on behalf of myself, I don't give two sh1ts about how much a phone (or any other product I use) sells. These companies don't care about you or me or anyone like you and me. They will just as soon screw you over as they would sell you something. And a lot of time the two go hand in hand. You wanna know why these companies won't shut the fvck up about how much they've sold? Because it's a dick measuring competition and whoever has the biggest dick has the biggest share price. I don't care if I'm the only N9 owner to ever live. I don't care if I'm one of the "next billion" N9 owners either. I just want a device that fits my needs. If that device happens to be the wildly successful iPhone, so be it. If that devices happens to be the motherfvcking BANANA PHONE, so fvcking be it. I'd buy a god damn RAZR if it did what I wanted.

I understand your frustration, I do. But do you, as an owner of several Nokia Internet Tablets REALLY care about sales? I suspect you don't. But don't fool yourself into thinking this is about sales or lining up or anything like that.. We all knew what we were getting into once they announced the N9 wouldn't be available in most of the world. We're playing the import game and most of us are losing. At one point I actually cooked up the idea that Nokia was actually slowing production intentionally. Then I realised I was getting too involved. But enough of this bollocks, buy what you want. I'm getting an N9 and it's (MF) DOOMed OS. Sales numbers are for shareholders and tech "journalists"

[eaglehelang]

........ But enough of this bollocks, buy what you want. I'm getting an N9 and it's (MF) DOOMed OS. Sales numbers are for shareholders and tech "journalists"

Btw, did you end up asking your contact to get it for you from Msia? Successful? If your contact going to Spore, it's just released today, cost slightly higher, due to exchange rates & maybe taxes thingy.

[unfuccwittable]

Btw, did you end up asking your contact to get it for you from Msia? Successful? If your contact going to Spore, it's just released today, cost slightly higher, due to exchange rates & maybe taxes thingy.
I decided to wait a bit to see if prices fall. It was a good price, but he was being slow in respondingto me so I decided to just give it some time.

[giorgosmit]

They told me end of november on the phone...

What... the...
Actually, it is not so bad for me. I go for my 8-month army stint in a week, and I hope to be able to save some money (as I will live on taxpayer money) to buy one come December. But end of November for one of the largest greek stores? What was Nokia's distribution strategy again?

[smoku]

I kinda appreciate what Gerbick/Dan sometimes bang on about WRT elitest dev<->everyone else attitudes:
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=33186#post33186

OMG. You sissypants, you came here for consolation?
This is just pathetic... Grow up some balls.

[Zoxir]

They told me end of november on the phone...

Oh man,,,, when did you ask? After I preordered some dude called me and he said they should have it at the end of the month.

[lsolano]

Gerbick, unless you own stock on these companies, why the fvck do you care how much they've sold?

More sells => More users => More Developers interested.

[smegheadz]

@unfuccwittable

put in slightly less disney channel way i usually say it but same meaning.

arguing about sales numbers and fanatics etc doesn't change a thing. getting too involved just leads to either frustration or distraction. it's like how i hear people talking about why a player did this or that and how they are feeling and what their thinking etc when watching a match. it's pointless and makes no sense as putting yourself in that situation you'd know they were talking bollocks. so trying to explain the reasons behind no lines or why they dropped maemo or why this or why they didn't use this chip etc is pointless.

i went and did a challange run through muck and **** and ditches, **** etc. this story has nothing to do with the N9 but it's just as relevant as most of the posts on this thread.

its a phone not a new kidney.

[unfuccwittable]

More sells => More users => More Developers interested.
Anybody that ever thought MeeGo had a chance at becoming even the number 5 OS is smoking some good sh1t. Keep that sh1t 100, none of us expected MeeGo to do anything, really.

[gerbick]

I don't recall one single model of Nokia released phones that they quoted a number of units sold. All I can find are speculations.

Has anyone any numbers? Heard of someone who had some?

It stopped with the N95, it seems. The 5800 initial sales - and they were quite massive in like the first month or two - were also stated early on.

[gerbick]

Gerbick, unless you own stock on these companies, why the fvck do you care how much they've sold?

I own Nokia stock. I own Microsoft stock.

And I also like facts. What's so hard to understand?

These companies don't care about you or me or anyone like you and me.

Here, I agree 100%.

I understand your frustration, I do. But do you, as an owner of several Nokia Internet Tablets REALLY care about sales?

Actually I do care about sales. It tends to lead to further development and sales. I honestly think that the Harmattan team deserves to be given a fair chance to develop this UI into something further.

I don't disagree with most of what else you said. But I fear that you've not taken the time to understand my stance.

I speak about sales as a validation tool for two things - not to counter the iPhone 4S sales, Apple is having it's heyday right now. That ebbs and flows between whomever is popular. Give it another couple of years, it'll be somebody else. But for a long-term strategy, I don't see how WP7 fits Nokia. I can see how Symbian did fit them, got them quite a bit of traction actually.

And just imagine having something that was once ahead of the game, like Maemo and Qt, and letting it languish because you lack the foresight, then you have to fall back on the facts. Not opinions of how Qt is the "best ever" or how the "N900 is the best ever" - no. Those are opinions. But what if you fell back to stats of sales figures that look impressive enough to continue funding.

You cannot argue results. You cannot dispute facts.

That's the takeaway. Nothing else stated really matters. I'll argue specs all day with you. I might even know a couple of things about what I'm talking about (not likely) - but if I hear that "Device X" sold 3 million in 1 month, even my peanut sized brain knows that's a helluva lot of devices and that will mean that my gadget of choice will receive an update to either software or hardware.

Facts in this case would be beneficial. Opinions are standard fare around these parts.

Bonus points for using MF DOOM in a reference.

[gerbick]

OMG. You sissypants, you came here for consolation?
This is just pathetic... Grow up some balls.

Shut up. Adults are talking.

[gerbick]

arguing about sales numbers and fanatics etc doesn't change a thing.

Only if you're comparing which one sold the most. I'm not doing that.

Look above at what I stated. I'm not even asking for sales numbers to bolster any argument I would have.

Rather see the sales go hand-in-hand to getting more work out of the Harmattan team. As it stands, it's the only path that Nokia has that makes sense to me. WP7 doesn't - and I own a WP7 device.

[JamesBond@ge]

More sells => More users => More Developers interested.

= bigger community

= more longevity of said device

[mooglez]

Then why the **** aren't we talking about sales numbers. Real, hard mother****ing numbers.

Let's see them. Sprint, AT&T, Verizon all are touting "best numbers" for a device. Samsung talks about their Galaxy S II sale numbers.

Nokia? Dead silent.



As far as I know, Nokia has never ever given out sales numbers for a specific device. That policy also prevents them from touting the numbers like the others are doing.

[JamesBond@ge]

You obviously have no interest in the N9 and what it represents, so why are you here?

I have great interest <removed>. Otherwise how would I know how much it costs, where I could get it from if I had more money than sense, how unsupported and dead it is going to be.

How would I know all these things if I "wasn't interested"?

Of course I'm interested. I'm also hideously disappointed. Next smart arse remark please.......

[lsolano]

= bigger community

= more longevity of said device

How did I forget the community! Thanks for the reminder indeed.

[smegheadz]

Only if you're comparing which one sold the most. I'm not doing that.

Look above at what I stated. I'm not even asking for sales numbers to bolster any argument I would have.

Rather see the sales go hand-in-hand to getting more work out of the Harmattan team. As it stands, it's the only path that Nokia has that makes sense to me. WP7 doesn't - and I own a WP7 device.

i'd love to see the same road as you. but i know it's not going to happen. to you it makes sense, to the heads of nokia it doesn't. unless we know their plan we won't know why it does. we lack all the pieces of the puzzle to figure it out. maybe in 2 years time we'll have more or all the pieces to understand the choice they made earlier this year.

i'd rather see people here put their efforts towards constructive things then destructive. i think it's time we stopped using this thread and use/make new ones on what we want to discuss.

Edit:
i know your point originally is nokia need the same enthusiasm with their userbase as apple do. would you really want those people on this forum though?

[gerbick]

As far as I know, Nokia has never ever given out sales numbers for a specific device. That policy also prevents them from touting the numbers like the others are doing.

In the Nokia quarterly reports - I'm searching for 2007 and earlier - they used to have highlights of their sales.

Weird how Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_mobile_phones) has "numbers" - not saying they're actual, but they support what Symbian-Freak and the Nokia quarterly reports happen to say.

And Nokia took to Twitter for the 5800 announcement of sales (http://twitter.com/#!/nokconv/status/1445832852).

Nokia has done it in the past. Sadly I'm not finding it right now.

[jalyst]

Oh, and now we hear that the iPhone 4S is the first Bluetooth 4 phone.

BT4? Really, source? Cheers.

[gerbick]

BT4? Really, source? Cheers.

Obligatory Engadget link (http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/12/iphone-4s-claims-title-of-first-bluetooth-4-0-smartphone-ready/)... and screenshot from Apple.com

[jalyst]

OMG. You sissypants, you came here for consolation?
This is just pathetic... Grow up some balls.

It was just highlighting what some others had pointed-out about the attitude of some devs.
I was always skeptical about it...
But some others have since pointed-out, how I coud've misunderstood what you were saying.
Perhaps you were just trying to be helpful, right?

[jalyst]

Obligatory Engadget link (http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/12/iphone-4s-claims-title-of-first-bluetooth-4-0-smartphone-ready/)... and screenshot from Apple.com

Bummer.
Poo, pissy, poo, pooo

Good Night.

[phatman2600]

look at your package tracking. It just arrived in New Jersey

Does that mean it just landed in the US? Isn't Jersey their main location for international shipments?

[smegheadz]

Bummer.
Poo, pissy, poo, pooo

Good Night.

read it carefully, it's the first bt4 ready smartphone device to hit the market. doesn't mean the first to have it. but it's beside the point. it's how they market it that makes the difference. and by 'it' i mean the phone.

[Hakki_01]

Obligatory Engadget link (http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/12/iphone-4s-claims-title-of-first-bluetooth-4-0-smartphone-ready/)... and screenshot from Apple.com
Who cares.. BT on iPhone sucks! you can't send pictures/files unless other iphone users have the same app. not worth talking about it;)

[Soppa]

read it carefully, it's the first bt4 ready smartphone device to hit the market. doesn't mean the first to have it. but it's beside the point. it's how they market it that makes the difference. and by 'it' i mean the phone.

I don't really see what's the fuss about the different bt versions, and how it could be a huge marketing opportunity etc.

To me other features are much more important, and I'd expect this to hold true with the majority of users seeking to buy a new smartphone. I might be mistaken of course, and I'm not saying that it doesn't matter; it's just not that huge of a deal IMHO as these endless bt4 vs. bt2.1 discussions are making it seem.

[jalyst]

It's more a case of post before read. semantics.
I was actually about to read it in more depth.
Thanks for ensuring I don't have to. ;)

That doco must've been updated recently*, as I'm quite certain I did that search & looked at it once.
Or at least someone else did, & linked to it...

As I hoped-for/suspected all along....
*EDIT*
But to support BT4.0 the chip must be wl1273l, I think lspci reveals wl1273 right?
Could just simply mean the driver there now, will be replaced w/a more suitable one come PR1.1/2.

*doc edit date doesn't seem to have been updated though.

Have asked xsacha to double-check with Nokia Australia management
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1785096&p=57#r1125
Not sure if he'll be able to help, but he seemed to have good contacts last time.
Okay def. good night..... :D

Interesting comparo between GSII browser & N9's, & their image galleries.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCGFb0Kgx20

[gerbick]

Who cares.. BT on iPhone sucks! you can't send pictures/files unless other iphone users have the same app. not worth talking about it;)

Can't do it in WP7 either. But being the "first" in anything equates to marketing to folks that know too little.

[gerbick]

i know your point originally is nokia need the same enthusiasm with their userbase as apple do. would you really want those people on this forum though?

I can add those folks to the ignore list easily.

[Chuck Norris]

What are you trolling about today guys?

[qwazix]

Oh man,,,, when did you ask? After I preordered some dude called me and he said they should have it at the end of the month.

Can't remember, it was about a week or two ago. The price was stil 699 though for the 64GB

But end of November for one of the largest greek stores?

And the only one to have it on for preorder as far as I know. Also the only (major) one whose salespeople do have a clue. In operators stores I got either "I know nothing", that you-dont-know-what-you-are-talking-about look or "you must mean N8"

[qwazix]

= bigger community

= more longevity of said device

The N95 reportedly sold 10million units in the first year (enormous number back then)

But there was never any community support, scarcely new features backported from later symbian releases (by the community, nokia continued support long enough) and no custom roms ever released. Compare this with the N900. CSSU, Nitdroid, MeeGo CE, Kubuntu mobile, debian, shr, backtrack and the list goes on... The community supprort is tied not to the total number of sales, but to the actual number of developers that buy it, (if it's a geek device the proportion of devs - power users that have something to contribute is way bigger so actual sales can be less). Anyway I wouldn't want to have the only N900 in the world, but I wouldn't be more content if everybody had one either.

[BigBadGuber!]

Perhaps the 100,000 number is real..........letting everyone interested in a phantom phone for very few to pave way for the main show: NOKIA windows phone

[BigBadGuber!]

for all you price conscious geeks there is a tablet for $35!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-15302663

[Zoxir]

Can't remember, it was about a week or two ago. The price was stil 699 though for the 64GB



And the only one to have it on for preorder as far as I know. Also the only (major) one whose salespeople do have a clue. In operators stores I got either "I know nothing", that you-dont-know-what-you-are-talking-about look or "you must mean N8"

I didn't know they had it for so long on their site. I just moved and had no internet access(the horror).

And lol at you asking at operators stores. It pisses me off at their we know you're a ****** so we're gonna fvck you over attitude.

On my way to work there's a Nokia Care I have been meaning to ask there but never had the time (I'm always late :D )

[mikecomputing]

about bt4 cant qoute cause webkit
textbox bug.

but I still dont beleive n9 has bt4 hw.
to ge bt4 support the chip needs to support dualmode cause 4.0 is not backward compatible.

personally i dont give a **** what a local nokia salesperson may had said. i want facts from an engineer who can confirm there is another chip besides wl1273. the only thing we are sure about atm is that driver atm i using wl1273 and nokias specs today says 2.1 everything else is still hopes and/or rumors.

some engineer did actually say there where flashsupport but as we know that ended to be wrong atleast for the released devices. it could be similar with bt4... remember that nokia.is in bed with microsoft now....

[afaq]

Just got back from Stratford Westfields, London. Usually I'd be all excited and giddy like a school girl when I see phone stores but not anymore. The largest mall in Europe has zero Nokia presence. A little sad but it is what Nokia made it.

[qwazix]

I didn't know they had it for so long on their site. I just moved and had no internet access(the horror).

And lol at you asking at operators stores. It pisses me off at their we know you're a ****** so we're gonna fvck you over attitude.

On my way to work there's a Nokia Care I have been meaning to ask there but never had the time (I'm always late :D )

Yes it was, in fact if you go back enough on this thread somebody posted the link. I was all excited until I saw that coming soon label. I did ask at operator stores (I know, I know...) as well as at Public and 2 Multirama stores.

[danramos]

What are you trolling about today guys?

http://forgifs.com/gallery/d/82648-2/Chuck_Norris_paper_throw.gif

[jalyst]

but I still dont beleive n9 has bt4 hw.
to ge bt4 support the chip needs to support dualmode cause 4.0 is not backward compatible.
personally i dont give a **** what a local nokia salesperson may had said. i want facts from an engineer who can confirm there is another chip besides wl1273. the only thing we are sure about atm is that driver atm i using wl1273 and nokias specs today says 2.1 everything else is still hopes and/or rumors.

And how do you know for sure that the chip isn't wl1273l?
lspci isn't necessarily the gospel in that regard...
It wasn't a "Nokia local sales person" as you put it.

Have asked xsacha to double-check with Nokia Australia management
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1785096&p=57#r1125
Not sure if he'll be able to help, but he seemed to have good contacts last time.

It was the product/tech marketing manager, but yes it "sounds" like it's not so concrete.
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1785096&p=57#r1130

[Chuck Norris]

How is the sound(voice) during navigation? Not very nice on my device...not as clear as sygic n900 voice.

[jalyst]

http://forgifs.com/gallery/d/82648-2/Chuck_Norris_paper_throw.gif

I love Chuck. No really.

[smegheadz]

How is the sound(voice) during navigation? Not very nice on my device...not as clear as sygic n900 voice.

i didn't think chuck norris would take directions :P

[daviss]

anyone wif n9 can answer on:
is the built-in joikuspot workin smoothly?i tether alot..
does the stockbrowser able to run sites like in logmein.com for remote desktop?
Thx if u able to provide me the above..

[giorgosmit]

In operators stores I got either "I know nothing", that you-dont-know-what-you-are-talking-about look or "you must mean N8"

I know what you mean. I spent some very confused minutes in Cosmote, trying to make the salesguy understand what I meant. He gradually understood, after we eliminated the possibility that I mean the N8, N900, and (bizarelly, he was acquainted with it) the N800.

[zaoltryence]

I just got my n9! Woohoo.. now its time to fiddle around :)

[zapotek]

http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/unstable/beta2/MeeGo_Harmattan_beta2_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_0_en.tx t look at the default desktop view in portrait the extra 16px


The default desktop view is now portrait. To start the desktop
in landscape "meego-sb-session start landscape" command has to
be used.
The recommended command line to start Xephyr is:
"Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 480x854x16 -dpi 96 -ac
-extension Composite &"

[marrat]

anyone wif n9 can answer on:
is the built-in joikuspot workin smoothly?i tether alot..
does the stockbrowser able to run sites like in logmein.com for remote desktop?
Thx if u able to provide me the above..

The tethering is working fine, needed it yesterday for logging into corporate VPN because of on-call support. My ThinkPad R400 took the provided WiFi without any issues.

About logmein.com, the browser can open the site, but that`s all I could test, cause I don`t have an account for that.

[scapegoat845]

Interesting answers to Konttori's latest blog post. Improved wifi reception in PR1.1, folders support to home screen coming in PR1.2....

http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2011/10/n9-on-sale-in-finland-and-few-other.html

[jalyst]

^
Damn was hoping PR1.1 but I guess it'll be mostly bug-fixes & performance twks.
Oh well, better than never ever coming...

[babraq]

^
Damn was hoping PR1.1 but I guess it'll be mostly bug-fixes & performance twks.
Oh well, better than never ever coming...

As Konttori said, due to delay of the N9's launch, PR1.1 should be ready, so 1.2 is before us within few months.

[scapegoat845]

^
Damn was hoping PR1.1 but I guess it'll be mostly bug-fixes & performance twks.
Oh well, better than never ever coming...

I think them answers just locked in my decision. It's mine...