N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!

[Kozzi]

IMO N950 is all about landscape usage which N9's current UI isn't or very limited, therefore they have to concentrate on one way of usage, portrait. One feature I would miss if I had N950 is the idle clock screen which can't be used on N950 due to the TFT screen, visibility in sunlight is also important for me but I don't how is N950's screen compared to N9's in this situation.

[jalyst]

So when a lead developer in the N9 says no HDMI, that isn't proof enough for you? ...

He's talking about HDMI....
That has nothing to do with whether MHL is implemented or do-able via AV 3.5mm or mUSB.
Read up on MHL again... HDMI = irrelevant for HD output via MHL.

N900 didn't have USB host but now it works. N9 does not have any HD output capability right now. QUite certain. But maybe some hacker/dev can somehow make it possible later on?

My point exactly.

If MHL is implemented at all, it's likely to be done via AV 3.5mm, as so far that's the only "official" means of TV-out.*
But if that were the case, surely we'd have some official specs now saying 3.5mm can do more than 480i out?

Which is why I'm hoping against hope that MHL is do-able "unofficially" via mUSB or 3.5mm much later on, thanks to efforts by the OSS community.
But 1st... We need official confirmation from Nokia that MHL is not implemented or planned, via 3.5mm or mUSB.

*& why'd they bother with two TV-outs, & even if they did, why not mention it?

But one thing I do use even on N8/E7 is USB OTG. So I really hope this can be enabled on the N9 at a later stage.

Yeah when it comes down to it, USB OTG is prolly more important overall for me too.
I have dedicated media front-end's that already do very nicely what an N9 could've done for me with HD out.

This article http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/06/27/damian-dinning-on-nokia-n9-imaging/ just gave me a lot of perspective and respect in regards to the hardware manufacturing of the n9. After reading this it is really remarkable who the camera has as many features as it does in such a tight, snug, and elegant body. They explain that 12mp was too big a module to include and maintain the elegant design of the n9. So whoever is complaining about the camera and any other features such as hdmi, consider how that may have changed the overall shape of the unibody that is impressing everyone. Great job to Nokia!

Yeah I read that the other day...
I agree it is somewhat unappreciated what they've been able to do!

People keep confusing HD output, with the need for HDMI or even a HDMI port.

[delmar]

haha someone made a game of elop burning platform and published it to Ovi store http://store.ovi.com/content/121617

game description is hilarious

Elop is a mischievous boy. He is on a platform and want let it burn! Please help (not him!) and shoot the water on the fire. You will only win, if you can drop Elpo from the platform. Are you a hero?

UPDATE: Elop as had the game Removed

Try the download herehttp://www.nokioteca.net/blog/2011/06/elpo-ferma-il-birbante/

[Maj3stic]

Design is ok as a bonus.
If Nokia really felt out of options and decided to appeal mass market by design over features why they didn't release the

N950 as consumer device immediately and
N9 as media demo (vs developper) device to selected journalists 1nd bloggers first?

After a couple of months, a few online petitions 'Nokia bring the N9 to the consumers already, we don't need a keyboard' , the sexy device would be released right before iPhone 5.

Why not? ah it starts with an E.

I wonder if I would bother typing this nonsense if I had an N9 instead of N900.

The N950 had issues with the keyboard and I can't remember where it was said but it was rejected due to this. How can the n9 be a developer phone without a keyboard :P Also Elop doesn't listen to people even us Canadians haha :p so a petition would do nothing

[Rauha]

Fascinating article.

http://mobile-review.com/articles/2011/birulki-125-en.shtml
So Eldar lurks at talk.maemo.org.

Judging from the article pictures in the text.

[erendorn]

N9 does not have any HD output capability right now. QUite certain. But maybe some hacker/dev can somehow make it possible later on?
I think the point people are trying to make is that, for hypothetical features that are based on zero information but maybe somehow possible later on, it should be discussed later on.

It has been asked on TMO and Meego handset, nobody can tell, please just wait till somebody can.

[steveburczymucha]

Generally Eldar did it again:

"92,000 handsets were produced (N950 for developers was released even in lower numbers)"

I thought 92k handsets is for N950. Is he doing that deliberately?
and still no comment from Nokia on avilability in UK, etc.

[jalyst]

^ He's full of crap...
It's just some arbitrary no. he likes to repeat.
He originally was saying the same for 950.
Why now magically is that no. assoc. w/the N9?

[buchanmilne]

anyone know if the calendar app is open or closed? i would like to see other apps that make use of days etc being able to use the calendar. eg.
weather app is able to put the forecast in the calendar for days you pick. doesn't have to be lots of detail, maybe temp and picture of cloud or little bit of info thats clickable to open up the weather app.


Via the Qt mobility APIs, you would be able to add an event to the calendar from another application. Whether you would be able to do the picture and open the weather app is another question.


or a history/event logger being able to click on a day already gone by and if you took images or video's you can see how many and click to open the image viewer with those filtered.


It should be possible to do this with Qt mobility on Maemo 5 and Harmattan. I had hoped to start learning Qt Quick etc. by writing such an app, but have had no time for it ...

[mooglez]

N900 didn't have USB host but now it works. N9 does not have any HD output capability right now. QUite certain. But maybe some hacker/dev can somehow make it possible later on? If not, it's okay by me I guess. I don't use HDMI out as often as I thought I would anyways. (with my N8/E7)

But one thing I do use even on N8/E7 is USB OTG. So I really hope this can be enabled on the N9 at a later stage.

for USB OTG there might actually be some hope, atleast according to this:

http://plaza.fi/s/f/editor/attachments/omap3630_iso.png

[jalyst]

There's another reason for OTG, & it's already mentioned on jakiman's site
http://shootspeak.com/2011/06/24/nokia-n9-extra-facts-tidbits-updates/

But i think the best proof so far, & not yet mentioned on jakimans's site is this
http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=23170&postcount=161

[keflex]

I doubt anyone was questioning the ability of the SoC to handle USB host, given the proven abilities of the 3430. My own doubts revolve around turnaround time; given that USB host has been achieved on the N900, can we expect it to arrive more quickly for the N9? How much of the code (if any) is transferrable?

[Daneel]

Fascinating article.

http://mobile-review.com/articles/2011/birulki-125-en.shtml

Its like he collected all the FUD from all the "brilliant" analysts on TMO.

- The reactions about the N900 were nowhere near as good as the N9. IE: Engadget went to say its like staring in the eyes of god...
- Even after the WP device leak debacle operators and independent shops seem to be lining up to sell the N9.
- And like it was mentioned previously, the 92000 devices crap again.

The part about outsourcing production sound intriguing but i have already read that on TMO.
So, nothing new and original and mostly crap from eldar, again.

[ste-phan]

The N950 had issues with the keyboard and I can't remember where it was said but it was rejected due to this. How can the n9 be a developer phone without a keyboard :P Also Elop doesn't listen to people even us Canadians haha :p so a petition would do nothing

Of course a developper needs the keyboard I was just saying to make it (N950) the consumer version and N9 the mistery, hard to get press version.

The issues with the N950 keyboard were some rumour that was spread during the platform nota.
http://eu.techcrunch.com/2011/02/12/intel-kept-in-the-dark-over-nokia%E2%80%99s-meego-plans-operators-reject-first-device/

As far as I know it has never been confirmed who were those operators, what was their criteria , what plastic goodies from other suppliers they do certify and why Nokia wasn't correcting the deemed flaw.

[momcilo]

It seems that N9 features NXP PN544 nfc chip according to this:

https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/302152/

RX-71 is N9 right?

Can someone who has N9 check the lsmod output for module nameed pn544?

[pelago]

haha someone made a game of elop burning platform and published it to Ovi store http://store.ovi.com/content/121617

game description is hilarious

Elop is a mischievous boy. He is on a platform and want let it burn! Please help (not him!) and shoot the water on the fire. You will only win, if you can drop Elpo from the platform. Are you a hero?

UPDATE: Elop as had the game Removed

Read the author's page (and download the game) at http://ovi.petrucci.ch/elpo/

[pelago]

RX-71 is N9 right?

I thought that RX-71 was the development device used in N900 timeframe, not N9. RM-680 is N950. Does anyone know the board name for N9?

[Dave999]

So Eldar lurks at talk.maemo.org.

Judging from the article pictures in the text.

That is because everything that is written here is true.

[momcilo]

I thought that RX-71 was the development device used in N900 timeframe, not N9. RM-680 is N950. Does anyone know the board name for N9?

Well it is in code submitted by a Nokian.

Can someone who has N9 check the lsmod output for module nameed pn544 or pn533?

[smegheadz]

Via the Qt mobility APIs, you would be able to add an event to the calendar from another application. Whether you would be able to do the picture and open the weather app is another question.

Thanks for replying.

Would anyone be able to test this out as i've no experience with programming or developing. read my original question if your wondering what i asked. appreciate any replies on this.

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1041145&postcount=1244

[momcilo]

I've just found there actually is pn544 driver within N950 at Nokia RDA.

[jalyst]

^ Crap really, so NFC for N950?!? Guess that's jumping the gun a bit.
Still... overall hardware-wise... I prefer N9 "slightly more"...

I wonder how well the UX actually works on the N950 compared to N9.
I guess they're pretty much the same, but one would perhaps want to twk the UX conifg. to make it more ideal for the N950 etc.

[momcilo]

^ Crap really, so NFC for N950?!? Guess that's jumping the gun a bit.
Still... overall hardware-wise... I prefer N9 "slightly more"...

I wonder how well the UX actually works on the N950 compared to N9.
It'd have to be geared much more to landscape i imagine, or it least have more landscape functionality built-in.
No NFC for n950
module was not loaded.
Module is for N9.

[aironeous]

Let's also think about the circuitry then. Assuming MHL requires 5 pins (4 USB data + ground of a MicroUSB socket), the 3.5mm socket would need to be longer to also maintain compatibility with headsets and headphones. The switching circuitry would be complicated and the socket physically bigger. In a device where size has been optimised as much as possible.

He says here it requires a switch behind the Micro Usb port that's it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtwTcnR0hqA

[aironeous]

from:

http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2011/06/respect.html?showComment=1309244161165#c8807273851 680035486

"Fash is supported in fennec, but not in the default browser. We wanted to keep a clear differentiation between "desktop" -alike browsing and mobile browsing. Default browser focuses entirely in one handed use and relaxed browsing, where as fennec just does it all and acts like a desktop browser (tabs and all)"

finally some good news! :)

I see a real world problem there. It is going to be an annoyance constantly switching over to fennec because you ran into a flash website so why not make the transition as easy and quick as the rest of the UI?
I think long press on the address bar in the native browser should bring up the option to "open with fennec" and when it does so it auto closes the native browser unless the user has chosen to keep the native browser open in the settings under "browser switching."

[aironeous]

N900 didn't have USB host but now it works. N9 does not have any HD output capability right now. QUite certain. But maybe some hacker/dev can somehow make it possible later on? If not, it's okay by me I guess. I don't use HDMI out as often as I thought I would anyways. (with my N8/E7)

But one thing I do use even on N8/E7 is USB OTG. So I really hope this can be enabled on the N9 at a later stage.

Look on the lower right.
http://www.linuxfordevices.com/files/misc/ti_omap3630_block.jpg

[jo21]

http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/06/29/nokia-n9-photo-gallery/
camera is awesome, way better than android WP7 competition

[danramos]

http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/06/29/nokia-n9-photo-gallery/
camera is awesome, way better than android WP7 competition

Yup! At least you can be proud of the camera. Shame about the keyboard, small screen, ports, closed-source UI and apps and the rest.. but there's always the camera. :) Good on you for finding that one good thing!

[dansus]

Think this video is about clear impression of using the N9 in real life as ive seen so far.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDUw4GYzMyQ

Pretty good, but the tap to activate lag that Nokia so loves to code in is still present to some degree. Shouldnt be hard to tweak. :)

[Daneel]

Yup! At least you can be proud of the camera. Shame about the keyboard, small screen, ports, closed-source UI and apps and the rest.. but there's always the camera. :) Good on you for finding that one good thing!

Oh shush! The N9 is a great device and it seems most people outside of Nokia's leadership know it. Get with the program.

You and gerbick playing devils advocate just for the sake of it is getting a little bit dull.

[lma]

Is it a huge faux pas to admit that I'm not terribly impressed with it either?

[dansus]

Is it a huge faux pas to admit that I'm not terribly impressed with it either?

No, what didnt you like?

[danramos]

Oh shush! The N9 is a great device and it seems most people outside of Nokia's leadership know it. Get with the program.

You and gerbick playing devils advocate just for the sake of it is getting a little bit dull.

I still say Nokia squandered away some great opportunities with stupid decisions that they could, even now, reverse--but I don't think the N9 will go down as either a consumer product success story, nor as the epitome of what Maemo hackers really wanted either... and I base that on the general reactions, even here in the home turf for Maemo. On the whole, the impression I'm left with is that it seems tepid to depressing at best, with the outliers of a few VERY satisfied or VERY dissatisfied people filtered out.

By the way, stats came out today to point out that Android is activating over 500,000 new customers PER DAY. How's that "opinion outside of Nokia" sounding again? I guess it's not fair to point that out. There's only ONE CHOICE of currently produced devices for Maemo/MeeGo from Nokia now. It's not as if you get to choose a model to suit your needs or anything. Who needs keys and buttons, right? I guess you could be right--it might just sell like crazy! Worked for Apple! Although it seems to give mixed messages: ME TOO! ME TOO! LOOK AT ME! I'M DIFFERENT, JUST LIKE APPLE!! ME TOO!

[aironeous]

The game has been removed from Ovi. Shame on them.

I think he found the easter egg.

[zymo]

someone mentioned that fennec on n9 supports flash.

bad news :(

http://twitter.com/#!/jukkaeklund/status/86094818245226497

[danramos]

someone mentioned that fennec on n9 supports flash.

bad news :(

http://twitter.com/#!/jukkaeklund/status/86094818245226497 (http://twitter.com/#%21/jukkaeklund/status/86094818245226497)

Also, old news. That was pretty much confirmed a few days ago, now. One of the many things people have been complaining about else-threads.

[ste-phan]

I see a real world problem there. It is going to be an annoyance constantly switching over to fennec because you ran into a flash website so why not make the transition as easy and quick as the rest of the UI?
I think long press on the address bar in the native browser should bring up the option to "open with fennec" and when it does so it auto closes the native browser unless the user has chosen to keep the native browser open in the settings under "browser switching."

Agree that would be a convenient solution,
and if only this Fennec would give us the option to open web pages in new window instead of trying to imitate a desktop browser with tabbed interface.
Or has this been fixed already? The big Fennec annoyances are this one and the slow responsiveness (not render speed).

[joy]

Hello Guys can you tell me please when Nokia n9 launching in UK?

[Pillum]

There is no public release date, yet

[joy]

ok..Thank you Pillum..:)

[jalyst]

Look on the lower right.
http://www.linuxfordevices.com/files/misc/ti_omap3630_block.jpg

Yes someone's already pointed that out to Jakiman
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1041311#post1041311

And right after that post, & even better reason for why it's prolly coming was posted :)

[steveburczymucha]

Nokia conversations presented new screenshots.

Hmm, boosted widgets gallery icon ... thought N9 does not have support for widgets...

http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/...ment-238637141

[Jaffa]

Hmm, boosted widgets gallery icon ... thought N9 does not have support for widgets...


That's the UI widgets gallery. It's a developer showcase application so you can see all the different widget elements. It's in the qemu image you can launch from the Qt SDK, and - in fact - you can see it in the task switcher here:

http://bleb.org/software/maemo/harmattan-attitude-sdk.png

[kanishou]

Nokia conversations presented new screenshots.

Hmm, boosted widgets gallery icon ... thought N9 does not have support for widgets...

http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/...ment-238637141

"Widgets" is a general term, not limited to QWidgets... It could be called "componentsgallery" as well, and it's the showcase of libmeegotouch widgets/components (not to be confused with the QML library called Qt Components).

Most internal applications use libmeegotouch, newer and third-party applications should use QML.

[zlatokosi]

Nokia conversations presented new screenshots.

Hmm, boosted widgets gallery icon ... thought N9 does not have support for widgets...

http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/...ment-238637141

Any reason I get this when clicking on the link?

404 - File or directory not found.
The resource you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.

[tulsidaskhan99]

Another MeeGo UI Screenshots Gallery http://mobilesguruji.co.cc/2011/06/30/in-depth-look-at-nokia-new-n9s-meego-os-part-2-with-150-screenshots

[steveburczymucha]

Any reason I get this when clicking on the link?

404 - File or directory not found.
The resource you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.

http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/06/30/nokia-n9-screenshot-gallery-12/

sorry

[confizz]

is there a fast way to see upcoming events from the calendar? maybe in the lock screen?

[Jaffa]

is there a fast way to see upcoming events from the calendar? maybe in the lock screen?

If not, it'd be pretty simple to add to the event feed and add notifications as you get closer or have a "your meeting's today" notification which you drag to see an agenda. It'd only appear if you have meetings, of course.

[Daneel]

I still say Nokia squandered away some great opportunities with stupid decisions that they could, even now, reverse--but I don't think the N9 will go down as either a consumer product success story, nor as the epitome of what Maemo hackers really wanted either... and I base that on the general reactions, even here in the home turf for Maemo. On the whole, the impression I'm left with is that it seems tepid to depressing at best, with the outliers of a few VERY satisfied or VERY dissatisfied people filtered out.

By the way, stats came out today to point out that Android is activating over 500,000 new customers PER DAY. How's that "opinion outside of Nokia" sounding again? I guess it's not fair to point that out. There's only ONE CHOICE of currently produced devices for Maemo/MeeGo from Nokia now. It's not as if you get to choose a model to suit your needs or anything. Who needs keys and buttons, right? I guess you could be right--it might just sell like crazy! Worked for Apple! Although it seems to give mixed messages: ME TOO! ME TOO! LOOK AT ME! I'M DIFFERENT, JUST LIKE APPLE!! ME TOO!

On the first part i agree with you 100%
Nokia failed big time, first with tablets then with Maemo in general.

As for the N9, let me be clear, i won't get it, its just not for me. Whether its the keyboard or the UI or the lack of a coffee maker doesn't matter, i have already said my share on the subject but as a device on its own the N9 is great overall, the only flaw it might have is 5 capital letters on the top - NOKIA.

If the same device had a fruit on its behind, my bet is that it would sell like hotcakes, probably surpassing any device on the market so far.

[aironeous]

Agree that would be a convenient solution,
and if only this Fennec would give us the option to open web pages in new window instead of trying to imitate a desktop browser with tabbed interface.
Or has this been fixed already? The big Fennec annoyances are this one and the slow responsiveness (not render speed).

Well actually the tabs in dolphin browser on android are just like the desktop FF browser and are just as usable the only trade off is that you have to be at the top of the web page to see the tabs and flick through. Not a bad trade off for a full screen browser.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnOI0QY4ZwU
at 1:40 you'll see him switch tabs but you see the tabs right away at 9s.
I have a faster phone than that one. Mine is a dual core lg g2x and it's fast even on stock android I haven't flashed CM7 from the nightlies here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1108201&page=142
or flashed an oc/uv kernal to overclock the cpu yet.
Some guys are getting 5960 quadrant score on this phone. Compare that with the 3500 the SGS2 gets right out of the box.
We were only getting 26 27 right out the box until cyanogen mods came around.
I like watching the nightly commits
http://cm-nightlies.appspot.com/?device=p999
I hope we have something for meego like this so we can see progress being made it's a useful tool you can see how the forum refers to the commits to answer others questions.

[jalyst]

He says here it requires a switch behind the Micro Usb port that's it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtwTcnR0hqA

Just had a chance to watch this, so damn cool...
Apparently in the summer there's many more phones coming with it built-in.
He says they have 7 phones in testing right now (n.b. the vid's from Feb), but he's not allowed to mention makes/models.
Nothing mentioned on their site (http://www.mhlconsortium.org/) that I can see, I've emailed them, they'll prolly just say ask Nokia.
Please let there be MHL via 3.5mm* or mUSB or the possibility to "hack it in" later Nokia.**
Don't hold your breathe anyone, but no harm in dreaming ;)

*of course if implemented via 3.5mm, it'd be more limited than mUSB in functionality.
**If they're already a licensee, gradually implementing it after the N9's release, may not be an impossibility.
So long as the boss is cool with employees doing it on company time. Extremely wishful :D

[shallimus]

*of course if implemented via 3.5mm, it'd be more limited than mUSB in functionality.
Why? In what way? Oh, right, #2 (or did you mean something else)

Two reasons not to expect MHL:

it's not free (as in beer) so someone has to pay a license fee (http://www.mhlconsortium.org/about/faq.aspx) (see #11)
the MHL spec talks about the connection charging the device; I'm not sure if that's optional or required, but I'm pretty sure you can't charge an N9 via its 3.5mm jack


Reminder: I'd be almost as pleased to see true HD output from an N9 as you; I'm not trashing the idea, just trying to keep expectations realistically low

Edit: removed potentially-confusing reference to HDMI. I wasn't referring to MHL as HDMI (see several previous posts where I refer to HDMI-via-MHL), but I see why it might have looked that way.

[jalyst]

(1)
Of course it's not free.

(2)
MHL is a protocol (no phy layer), charging is not a requirement of the spec.
Just a feature if you happen to be using mUSB as the medium.

It's not HDMI, stop calling it that! LOL
I've already said it's unlikely (albeit not 100% impossible) & explained why (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1041259#post1041259), no false hope here! ;)

If Nokia has been actively working on it, it's seemingly far more likely to be on WP7 phones :(

[shallimus]

(1)
Of course it's not free.

So in an ideal world, who would you see paying for it?


(2)
MHL is a protocol (no phy layer), charging is not a requirement of the spec.
Just a feature if you happen to be using mUSB as the medium.

Useful; thanks.


It's not HDMI, stop calling it that! LOL

I'm not! But I've edited my post to remove the possibility of confusion.


I've already said it's unlikely (albeit not 100% impossible) & explained why (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1041259#post1041259), no false hope here! ;)

Heh, of course not.


If Nokia has been actively working on it, it's seemingly far more likely to be on WP7 phones :(
Gnaaaarrrrgh :mad:

[shady]

ok, no hdmi i understand ... not so much on the N950 but on the N9 there is an issue there with size.

what ISNT an issue wrt size is DLNA ... i was going to come in this thread and ask that everyone calm down about the HDMI and just stream OTA with DLNA. most consoles/pcs/tvs will have you covered (not as saturated as a fm radio) but should aid for most if not all use cases that need an HDMI onboard.

alas i couldnt find it on the spec page: https://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/N9/ and that is ashame! all they list is video streaming, so i dont know if it has DLNA ill test that out. but for now this leaves the device below many of its brethren as a one screen device, which is ashame. but its gotta be hackable, DLNA will come if the right ppl get the N950s. either way if it has it and its an oversight by nokia to list it, then there shouldnt be this much crying about the HDMI. the KB was a far greater loss.

[jalyst]

ok, no hdmi i understand ... not so much on the N950 but on the N9 there is an issue there with size.

There needn't have been any issue with size... MHL != HDMI...
It can be defined to run over many phy layers, provided the right characteristics are there.
But for now it's mainly targeted towards mUSB...
It outputs uncompressed HD video "&" audio via mUSB & into the HDMI port of any TV.
It does this with the use of an adapter that comes with every phone that implements MHL.

But as mentioned previously (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1041259#post1041259) it's not likely (albeit not 100% ruled-out) that they've done or plan to do anything with MHL.
Despite being one of the consortium's original members :(

what ISNT an issue wrt size is DLNA ... i was going to come in this thread and ask that everyone calm down about the HDMI and just stream OTA with DLNA. most consoles/pcs/tvs will have you covered (not as saturated as a fm radio) but should aid for most if not all use cases that need an HDMI onboard.

Good point, I think it has 5Ghz 802.11n right?
That comes close (although is far from perfect) for reliable "HD" streaming.
I guess DLNA helps make it flawless? (not sure how that'd work)
Otherwise just use USB OTG.....

[tissot]

ok, no hdmi i understand ... not so much on the N950 but on the N9 there is an issue there with size.

what ISNT an issue wrt size is DLNA ... i was going to come in this thread and ask that everyone calm down about the HDMI and just stream OTA with DLNA. most consoles/pcs/tvs will have you covered (not as saturated as a fm radio) but should aid for most if not all use cases that need an HDMI onboard.

alas i couldnt find it on the spec page: https://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/N9/ and that is ashame!

N9 does have DLNA. It's just the same situation as we got with the radio on N900.

DLNA stack is there on the device by default, but not in use. We didn’t have the time to make sure it works just perfectly, so we’ll either roll the UIs out later or 3rd parties can enable it very easily. N9 doesn’t have HDMI.
http://nokiagadgets.com/?p=2200
http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2011/06/respect.html

[shady]

yea, so if we have DLNA most, if not ALL (theyre exceptions for a subset) of us can stop complaining about HDMI it is an extremely suitable replacement that reduces the need to carry an extra chord as you travel.

it isnt that serious, for me personally when an exceedingly effeciaent alternative is present. the KB otoh ..looks like a great device and im excited about it, well the OS more than the physical device.

[ericsson]

The N9 is over rated. The E6 is Da Man :D This is written on my E6 :D

So far my experience with the E6 is an exceptionally cool device for exceptionally cool dudes.

Anyway, the N9 rox :)

[jalyst]

it isnt that serious, for me personally when an exceedingly effeciaent alternative is present.

Good point, I think it has 5Ghz 802.11n right?
That comes close (although is far from perfect) for reliable "HD" streaming.
I guess DLNA helps make it flawless? (not sure how that'd work)

^This?

the KB otoh ...

KB's no longer a "biggy" for me (can't believe I'm saying that).
There's some really decent tiny/portable BT KB's last time I checked.
And BT4.0 FTW!! :D

But yeah, it does suck having to remember to carry such things with you.
Maybe someone will design a snap-on qwerty!? :D (still be far from perfect)

[tissot]

The N9 is over rated. The E6 is Da Man :D This is written on my E6 :D

So far my experience with the E6 is an exceptionally cool device for exceptionally cool dudes.

Anyway, the N9 rox :)

I can't stand Symbian these days but for some reason i'm wanting E6. Not for my main phone but just to get compact smart phone that got qwerty always open for fast typing.

[mikecomputing]

Its like he collected all the FUD from all the "brilliant" analysts on TMO.

- The reactions about the N900 were nowhere near as good as the N9. IE: Engadget went to say its like staring in the eyes of god...
- Even after the WP device leak debacle operators and independent shops seem to be lining up to sell the N9.
- And like it was mentioned previously, the 92000 devices crap again.

The part about outsourcing production sound intriguing but i have already read that on TMO.
So, nothing new and original and mostly crap from eldar, again.

Elop == Eldar same person == hurt Meego :mad:

[RAZOR]

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n9_availability_revealed_misses_some_major_m arkets-news-2841.php

[jalyst]

^ I thought it'd had been determined that those countries are missing...
Simply because Nokia stores are being shut-down in those countries...
And that it's still very likely that carrier & non-carrier distribution deals are being struck etc?

[jalyst]

Listen carefully to the folks speaking in the background from 640min onwards.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDUw4GYzMyQ

Of course the (presumably) Nokia employee/rep. could be entirely wrong...
But there's no official output listed anywhere as far as I recall, only the fact that it does 3.5mm AV-out.

LOL sorry, I'm honestly not trying to troll! :D
Just happened to notice the speaking in background & figured it might be worthwhile sharing.
I almost didn't hear it at all...

[hayman]

Nokia N9 to miss on some major markets


http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n9_availability_revealed_misses_some_major_m arkets-news-2841.php

[lma]

No, what didnt you like?

The small and capacitive screen. The non-removable battery. The lack of keyboard. The lack of removable storage. The microSIM. And that's just the hardware side.

[jalyst]

^

Once you start getting much bigger than 4.0" it becomes impractical in size for a no. of reasons IMO.
Unless you want your smartphone to be your primary computing device, I'm not ready to throw away my laptop yet personally.

Capacitive is far better for the type of UX design/philosophy they've adopted.
I love the resistive of my n900, but it's just not ideal for what they've implemented in harmatten.

Not sure what the "biggy" is for microSIM? That's awesome IMO (dual sims etc).

No keyb sux, non-removable battery sux, as does no removable storage, but we know the reasons why they've compromised there.
If only we had the choice of another model with these features :(

I wouldn't be surprised if iFixit or similar work-out a "safe" way to dismantle it, so we can do battery replacements ourselves etc.
Keyb's a bit harder to rectify, & removable storage would be impossible to rectify.

[ericsson]

Nokia N9 to miss on some major markets


http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n9_availability_revealed_misses_some_major_m arkets-news-2841.php

That's completely bogous. Neither Denmark or Norway is on that list, yet they are confirmed to get the N9 by Nokia and by operators. The case is that England, Germany, France, Spain and Holland is the only European countries to get the sea ray this year, and probably far into the next year. The N9 will enter the other countries first.

[HaugMedia]

The launch list is incomplete.
- Random Nokia dude in a preview video.

20 Countries. And some facts about how Qt implements with WebKit 2.0.
- Random Qt Norwegian named Knut, video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuykxLMuTGQ

If anyone want to see what the N9 comes packaged in, see the beginning of this video. Turn down your volume. I think his mic is broken:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIb0WV1WY0M

[steveburczymucha]

^ I thought it'd had been determined that those countries are missing...
Simply because Nokia stores are being shut-down in those countries...
And that it's still very likely that carrier deals are being struck etc?

They can't announce availability in those countries on behalf of the carriers.
That needs to be done by them... once assessed & they're ready etc.

Why carriers only? There are independent retailers who get stock directly from Nokia. Previusly availability on Nokia site took them into account ...

[scapegoat845]

I'm here in the U.S. Will i still be able to buy this device unlocked ?

[steveburczymucha]

already posted and responded to
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1042348#post1042348

Expansys UK has it on pre order. I think it applies more to operator with contract.

[tissot]

N9 retail box?
http://nokiagadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/N9boxclosed.jpg


And great N950 and harmattan UI video. (http://nokiagadgets.com/?p=2234)

[jalyst]

Why carriers only? There are independent retailers who get stock directly from Nokia.

Amended my OP.

Previusly availability on Nokia site took them into account ...

hmm, that in itself is worrying.

Expansys UK has it on pre order.

Yeah I knew about that...

So assuming they really do have an order pending with Nokia.
And assuming some of the Scandinavian carriers not listed on the availability site also have an order incoming via some carriers...
Then we can rule-out all these silly stories using the availability site as the basis for there being no availability in those countries!?!

also... story an engadget....
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/30/nokia-shutters-online-and-retail-stores-in-uk-us-web-store/

The launch list is incomplete.
- Random Nokia dude in a preview video.

Where's the link?

20 Countries. And some facts about how Qt implements with WebKit 2.0.
- Random Qt Norwegian named Knut, video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuykxLMuTGQ
If anyone want to see what the N9 comes packaged in, see the beginning of this video. Turn down your volume. I think his mic is broken:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIb0WV1WY0M

Thanks!

Oh and....
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2011/06/iphone-sales-back-to-driving-growth-of-smartphones-in-the-us.ars
For the folks that say emulating the iPhone (to some extent) is a horrid thing :p
Then again there's prolly another recent study that says exactly the opposite.

[bsd1101]

I'm here in the U.S. Will i still be able to buy this device unlocked ?

I'm wondering the same thing. I don't want to go into the nokia store in NYC and buy it with taxes; its already and arm and a leg. I purchased my n900 on newegg :). I don't want to go through some online site and buy the thing in euro's either because it will be hella expensive. I hope online retailers in the U.S. sell it. If I can't buy it through an american retailer I might not buy it until the price drops.

At the same time I really want this phone and knowing Nokia might not make that many of them i'm a little worried

[shallimus]

knowing Nokia might not make that many of them
Eldar, is that you? ;)

[scapegoat845]

I'm wondering the same thing. I don't want to go into the nokia store in NYC and buy it with taxes; its already and arm and a leg. I purchased my n900 on newegg :). I don't want to go through some online site and buy the thing in euro's either because it will be hella expensive. I hope online retailers in the U.S. sell it. If I can't buy it through an american retailer I might not buy it until the price drops.

At the same time I really want this phone and knowing Nokia might not make that many of them i'm a little worried

It better be. I can't wait to use this thing, let alone on my at&t gophone plan... :D

[NOMOS]

Guys, I do not know where to go with this, but there is a small bug I see in the video's... Every time a notification comes in while we are in an app, for a split second the lockscreen appears on the screen, then goes away. Seems like the notification in the top bar also triggers the homescreen to show itself for some reason. I have seen it three times now, every time when a notification comes in.....

[cfh11]

Guys, I do not know where to go with this, but there is a small bug I see in the video's... Every time a notification comes in while we are in an app, for a split second the lockscreen appears on the screen, then goes away. Seems like the notification in the top bar also triggers the homescreen to show itself for some reason. I have seen it three times now, every time when a notification comes in.....

were it a bug, the proper place to go would be bugs.meego.com. however, if you dont actually have the device in your hands i dont think it is appropriate to file a bug. keep in mind that the software is still in beta at this point as well.

[marxian]

N9 retail box?
http://nokiagadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/N9boxclosed.jpg


And great N950 and harmattan UI video. (http://nokiagadgets.com/?p=2234)

I believe this was Eflops preferred choice:

http://keetsa.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/ts_pine-coffin.jpg

[dansus]

The N9 is over rated. The E6 is Da Man :D This is written on my E6 :D

So far my experience with the E6 is an exceptionally cool device for exceptionally cool dudes.


Thats good to hear, i will be picking mine up soon.

[FranzDages]

I believe this was Eflops preferred choice:

http://keetsa.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/ts_pine-coffin.jpg

I'd be fine with this. Then, when I kill myself after listening to everyone complain about the later lack of support, I'd have something to be buried in :D

[dansus]

N9 retail box?
http://nokiagadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/N9boxclosed.jpg
[/URL]

Great presentation, just put the open box in a glass case in CPW or whatever big store is in your country, and people will be drooling over it.

On a side note, ive just realised theres a drop down menu, didnt see that before. :o
.

[danramos]

On the first part i agree with you 100%
Nokia failed big time, first with tablets then with Maemo in general.

As for the N9, let me be clear, i won't get it, its just not for me. Whether its the keyboard or the UI or the lack of a coffee maker doesn't matter, i have already said my share on the subject but as a device on its own the N9 is great overall, the only flaw it might have is 5 capital letters on the top - NOKIA.

If the same device had a fruit on its behind, my bet is that it would sell like hotcakes, probably surpassing any device on the market so far.

That might be because the fruit of that loom tends to support their products better--pre-purchase, purchase and post-purchase as well as their ecosystem, their maintenance (even if it's a rip-off, at least they WILL fix/replace your stuff instantly), their point-of-presence, etc. Nokia hasn't made a fractional attempt to do ANY of what Apple does--and I don't even like Apple but I can admire what they HAVE done right.

I wouldn't be surprised if iFixit or similar work-out a "safe" way to dismantle it, so we can do battery replacements ourselves etc.
Keyb's a bit harder to rectify, & removable storage would be impossible to rectify.

I would be surprised if they even recognized that Nokia made an N9.

I'm here in the U.S. Will i still be able to buy this device unlocked ?

I'm wondering the same thing. I don't want to go into the nokia store in NYC and buy it with taxes; its already and arm and a leg. I purchased my n900 on newegg :). I don't want to go through some online site and buy the thing in euro's either because it will be hella expensive. I hope online retailers in the U.S. sell it. If I can't buy it through an american retailer I might not buy it until the price drops.

At the same time I really want this phone and knowing Nokia might not make that many of them i'm a little worried

Don't worry; don't buy it.

Let me pretend I'm someone from Nokia speaking to you, the American consumer:

No. Go away.

Oh and....
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2011/06/iphone-sales-back-to-driving-growth-of-smartphones-in-the-us.ars
For the folks that say emulating the iPhone (to some extent) is a horrid thing :p
Then again there's prolly another recent study that says exactly the opposite.

The iPhone itself isn't remarkable. Emulating it, competing with its hardware isn't actually all that hard anymore. The problem with Nokia emulating the hardware is that they failed to be BETTER in most regards, and failed in EVERY regards to the iPhone business itself--applications, support and point of presence with stores are all COMPLETELY botched at Nokia. It's not enough to just build a piece of plastic junk that makes phone calls and lacks the horsepower of most of its competitors AND lacks the FEATURES of most of its competitors. Insult to injury is how Nokia treats its customers and vendors, and how they lack the ability or will to do the rights things to keep their brand name looking good in the eyes of their consumers.

[Rugoz]

The iPhone itself isn't remarkable. Emulating it, competing with its hardware isn't actually all that hard anymore. The problem with Nokia emulating the hardware is that they failed to be BETTER in most regards, and failed in EVERY regards to the iPhone business itself--applications, support and point of presence with stores are all COMPLETELY botched at Nokia.


The hardware tops that of the iphone, imo. Which does not seem to be that easy to do, because other manufacturers fail to do so. The OS and UI is a step up from iOS, what's missing though is functionality and apps. If the price is right, its going to be a good alternative. Pricing is key here.

[jalyst]

I would be surprised if they even recognized that Nokia made an N9.

Why is that? They dismantle plenty of brands other than Apple:
http://www.ifixit.com/Contribute
Just because sites like Engadget only ever link to iFixit's latest teardown of the iPod, doesn't mean they're rabid Apple only fanboys.

The iPhone itself isn't remarkable. Emulating it, competing with its hardware isn't actually all that hard anymore. The problem with Nokia emulating the hardware is that they failed to be BETTER in most regards, and failed in EVERY regards to the iPhone business itself--applications, support and point of presence with stores are all COMPLETELY botched at Nokia. .

I wasn't referring to exactly "emulating" the hardware, or even software...
I was referring to offering a unique "overall feel/experience", a far less tangible thing than hardware/software, & something that Apple consistently does well.
Harmatten seems to on-balance offer excellent usability & "built-in" functionality, the latter of which -until recently- has been a sore point, even for iOS.

But since you're referring specifically to the hardware....
Yes it's true it should've been much stronger, as even though overall it looks slightly better than the iP4, the iP5 is almost certainly likely to surpass it.
And with the release of iOS5+iP5 possibly around the same time, it's going to be extremely hard to compete for mind-share, even if it's priced better.*
Not to mention the fact that it "seems" Nokia has no real plans for the platform, from an end-user perspective anyway! :(

It's too soon to write-off QT applications, you need to wait until final elements are rolled out in that regard, & people actually start buying more & more QT phones.
The framework's there to leverage everything that's dev'd in Meego/Symbian/S40/OSS user-land, or to easily port from other platforms etc.
A critical element would be if alien dalvik was available to N9 or Symbian phones,** but prior news was that Myriad has no intention to make it available for end-users :(

I don't see how point of presence w/stores is critical, it's more of a consolidation thing when you already have a strong hold on the market.
It doesn't make sense when your hold is minuscule or contracting...
Even if their marketshare were strong, a case can still be made for them not going down the "bricks & mortar" route ala Apple.

It's not enough to just build a piece of plastic junk that makes phone calls and lacks the horsepower of most of its competitors AND lacks the FEATURES of most of its competitors.

C'mon now, you know it's not reasonable to characterise it as that. :confused:
Most of it's actual hardware components are mediocre, but the way it's all put together is arguably 2nd-to-none right now.
Even some of the components are right up there:

(1) 1GB RAM:
Plenty of much higher specced phones have this, but not too many equally specced ones.
And harmatten by virtue of it's overall architecture is far better placed than any android device to make maximum use of it, whilst not compromising on UI/usability.
(2) Camera:
No phone in this form-factor comes close.
(3) Display:
It's actually as good (if not better) than some of it's higher-specced brethren, by virtue of augmentations Nokia's done to it.
Res. at it's current dimensions is already quite respectable...
Yes it could be larger & have an accompanying res. bump, but I personally don't want anything bigger than 4", so the only bump I'd want is res.

To name some...
Then there's there's the trump card, the whole OS/UX, which seemingly won't be given much of a chance by Nokia :(

Insult to injury is how Nokia treats its customers and vendors, and how they lack the ability or will to do the rights things to keep their brand name looking good in the eyes of their consumers

Bit vague, not sure what you mean exactly here...
How have they treated customers/vendors?
How have they lacked ability/will to do the "right things" to keep their brand looking good?

I feel that they've been shocking in delivery time-after-time for the past 2+ years.
But personally I'm ready to give them a chance with the N9.
If they really are able to transfer all the best qualities of it to the WP7, then I'll be prepared to give them a shot there to.
But only of the end-game is to head back to their own "relatively open" software platform in the LT.
I'm not interest in a Nokia that's a glorified Windows OEM...

*Android devices already surpass it hw-wise in many ways, but android itself (barring the myriad of apps) seems notably inferior overall IMO.
So it's not so straight forward yet which is the most compelling buy IMO: top-end android with latest android OS, or N9 + harmatten goodness.
**I don't think it'd be possible for it to work on S40 phones, but I could be wrong.

[dtergens]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280703899547&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

http://cgi.ebay.com/Nokia-N950-NEW-UNLOCKED-2-Years-Manufacturers-Warranty-/280703916898?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item415b41db62#ht_935wt_1141

[Ministeri]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280703899547&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

http://cgi.ebay.com/Nokia-N950-NEW-UNLOCKED-2-Years-Manufacturers-Warranty-/280703916898?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item415b41db62#ht_935wt_1141

Please notice:

"This is a worldwide offer and I will guarantee free delivery of this phone anywhere in the world by the 19th of September or your money back!"

It's just probably either a scam or a way to "loan" money with 0% interest.

[bsd1101]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280703899547&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

http://cgi.ebay.com/Nokia-N950-NEW-UNLOCKED-2-Years-Manufacturers-Warranty-/280703916898?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item415b41db62#ht_935wt_1141

just ordered n950, he seems real. He sold that first batch and now has a second. If what nokia has been saying is true N950 will be impossible to find especially at that price. considering they said 750 for 64gb and this is 577 after all fees definitely worth it in my opinion. I will post updates when I receive it in my hands even though I might have to wait until August 29th

[Ministeri]

just ordered n950, he seems real. He sold that first batch and now has a second. If what nokia has been saying is true N950 will be impossible to find especially at that price. considering they said 750 for 64gb and this is 577 after all fees definitely worth it in my opinion. I will post updates when I receive it in my hands :)

Well, I wonder why the seller states "You may know me from my previous sales of very cheap Nokia N8's, Samsung Galaxy S II's and iPhone 4's." as he's profile shows that he has only sold 4£ map packs to Call of Duty.

[HtheB]

Well, I wonder why the seller states "You may know me from my previous sales of very cheap Nokia N8's, Samsung Galaxy S II's and iPhone 4's." as he's profile shows that he has only sold 4£ map packs to Call of Duty.

Seems like it's indeed a scam

[abbra]

N950 as in Devkit has 16GiB of space. Of which you have approximately 9GiB available for your files and rest is occupied by the operating system.

There are no N950s with bigger space apart from some pre-production prototypes which anyway are Nokia property and selling those on eBay would be breach of law.

[bsd1101]

N950 as in Devkit has 16GiB of space. Of which you have approximately 9GiB available for your files and rest is occupied by the operating system.

There are no N950s with bigger space apart from some pre-production prototypes which anyway are Nokia property and selling those on eBay would be breach of law.

just asked him for a refund. Also ebay buyer protection is 45 days, that order would be shipping in more than that. Now i'm paranoid :eek:

[bsd1101]

N950 as in Devkit has 16GiB of space. Of which you have approximately 9GiB available for your files and rest is occupied by the operating system.

There are no N950s with bigger space apart from some pre-production prototypes which anyway are Nokia property and selling those on eBay would be breach of law.

are we sure about these specs. He already gave me a refund but sent me these specs Microprocessor,:Chipset
CPU;Clock: 1000 MHz
CPU: Texas Instruments OMAP 3630

Memory,;Storage+capacity

RAM-capacity: 512 MiB
ROM;capacity: 512 MiB
Secondary+ROM+capacity: 59.6 GiB

Display

Display:Type: color transflective TFT , 16777216 scales
Display_Diagonal: 4 "
Display-Resolution: 854 x 480
Video_out: 1280x720 (720p) resolution

Sound

Microphone(s): stereo
Loudspeaker(s): Supported
Audio+Output: 3.5mm
Cellular:Phone
Cellular+Networks: GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS850, UMTS900, UMTS1700, UMTS1900, UMTS2100
Cellular:Data_Links: CSD, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS, HSDPA, HSUPA, HSPA+
Vibrating:Alert: Supported
Speakerphone-: Supported
Control;Peripherals
Positioning_Device: Multi-touch screen
Primary:Keyboard: Slide and tilt QWERTY-type keyboard
Directional-Pad: 4 -way
Scroll_Wheel: Not supported

Interfaces

Expansion+Slots: microSD, microSDHC, TransFlash
USB: Supported
micro-USB
Bluetooth: Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR
Wireless_LAN: 802.11a, 802.11b, 802.11g, 802.11n
Infrared+Gate: Not supported
Multimedia_Telecommunication
Analog+Radio:Receiver: FM radio (87.5-108MHz) with RDS
Digital-Media+Broadcast;Tuner: Not supported

Satellite_Navigation

Built-in_GPS+module: Supported
Complementary:GPS-Services: Assisted GPS, QuickGPS, Geotagging
Built-in+Digital;Camera
Main;Camera: 8 MP and 12MP modules
Autofocus;(AF): Supported
Optical+Zoom: 1 x
Macro:Mode: Supported
Built-in;Flash: mobile light (LED)
Secondary Camera: 0.3MP
Battery: Removable
Battery Capacity: 1320 mAH
Built-in Accelerometer: Supported

i'm telling him to join this forum prove he can get these phones and sell all of em :)

[jer006]

I just saw that too, he apparently has an N9 for sale too... Wish I could believe it but as the n9's not even released and the n950 has only started going out to developers I doubt this is genuine!

[bsd1101]

if you read he say's you'll get the shipment by a certain date but that date is out of bounds of the ebay payment protection. His account has been active since march of 2010 so I don't know if a scammer would create an account and scam a year later but at the same time its all a little fishy

[jalyst]

I personally wouldn't touch it with a 10-foot pole, but if there some "risk takers" on this list "go crazy" :p

[jalyst]

N950 he's guaranteeing 6th of August, so that's within the 45days, less risky than the N9 *shrugs*

"<SNIP>This is a pre-order of the phone and you will get guaranteed delivery by 6th August 2011.
A full tracking number will be provided and the package will be posted via Special Delivery which is insured up to the value of £500.
This phone has an earlier delivery date than the N9 solely because the N950s are available to acquire immediately, whereas the N9s will be purchasable in the upcoming weeks.
That is why I can guarantee a much earlier delivery date for the N950s, should you choose to buy one<SNIP>"

*edit*
That listing's supposedly ended because that "batch" is all sold out, his latest 2 listing are well outside the 45 days.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nokia-N9-BRAND-NEW-UNLOCKED-2-Yrs-Manufacturer-Warranty-/280703899547?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item415b41979b
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nokia-N950-NEW-UNLOCKED-2-Yrs-Manufacturer-Warranty-/280704186293?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item415b45f7b5

I can't see a suspicious pattern in any of his feedback, then again I'm extremely sleep deprived right now :)
It's a high +ve % (98.5), over a long period if time, but he prolly cultivates several good accounts over "years".
And then every once in a while sets up a scam on one of his "good" accounts...

I still call BS... social engineering at it's worst IMO ;P

[mikecomputing]

were it a bug, the proper place to go would be bugs.meego.com. however, if you dont actually have the device in your hands i dont think it is appropriate to file a bug. keep in mind that the software is still in beta at this point as well.

NO! Harmattan or QT related bugs should be sent to nokia developer site:

http://developer.nokia.com

[dansus]

Now i'm paranoid :eek:

Now your paranoid?! :rolleyes:

You have to be mad to give that seller your money unless you have cash to burn.

[qasman]

I don't think i can live without a hardware keyboard after having used the n900. Very disappointed the n9 doesn't have one. I want a n950 but n900 has a FM transmitter and flash support in the web browser! It's like Nokia are removing features rather than increasing them, and it seems like they're following in Apple footsteps (by moving to a close OS, WP7). Think I'll stick with n900 for now.

[qasman]

if you read he say's you'll get the shipment by a certain date but that date is out of bounds of the ebay payment protection. His account has been active since march of 2010 so I don't know if a scammer would create an account and scam a year later but at the same time its all a little fishy

Yeah, that listing is also up on ebay uk. I Was hoping it would be legit but after seeing his sold item, I had doubts. Still added him to my watch list though, just in case someone does say it's legit (or complain about it being a scam).

I don't think I'm going to buy the n950 until there is some good reviews about there being huge differences between that and the n900.

[mikecomputing]

I don't think i can live without a hardware keyboard after having used the n900. Very disappointed the n9 doesn't have one. I want a n950 but n900 has a FM transmitter and flash support in the web browser! It's like Nokia are removing features rather than increasing them, and it seems like they're following in Apple footsteps (by moving to a close OS, WP7). Think I'll stick with n900 for now.

the fmradio was not activated in n900 when start to sell. same goes for n9 but it actually HAS a fmradio.

the n9 has far better display than n900/n950. camera/optic is better than n950/n900 and probadly kills alot of androids in this area.

I havent test it myself but seen alot of videos etc... and I can understand why they dish hwkbd. the device and OS is mainly portraitmode thats for sure and I must admit I like it even if I first was negative about no hwkbd. hopefully vkbd is very good to write long messages like this.... (using n900 posting this meessage...

[ysss]

Ok, I think the ebay guy is legit.

I'm negotiating purchase of a female unicorn with him, and he's asking for 46 days to deliver the item.

But I have a feeling that he's legit.

[marxian]

No need to buy from some guy on ebay. The N950 is going on general sale (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-T_w_QXXms). :D

[scapegoat845]

No need to buy from some guy on ebay. The N950 is going on general sale (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-T_w_QXXms). :D

Lmaoooo. love that

[daperl]

No need to buy from some guy on ebay. The N950 is going on general sale (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-T_w_QXXms). :D

Sorry to be a downer, but the proper thing to do is to add some n950 subtitles to the virgin bunker scene.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dwbHYFznWE

[biatch0]

the fmradio was not activated in n900 when start to sell. same goes for n9 but it actually HAS a fmradio.Can't remember where I read it (probably MeeGo forums) but while the N9 has the FMTX module in it, there is no "antenna" connected - while the FMTX "could" be activated by an app, it's highly likely that the TX power would not be sufficient to transmit even close distances (ie. to your car stereo). I'd love to (and hope to as well) be proven wrong though!!!

[Kozzi]

Chrome on N9 ?
http://mobilesguruji.co.cc/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Nokia-N9-N950-MeeGo-OS-review-huge-Part-2-118.png

[Bundyo]

Chrome on N9 ?
http://mobilesguruji.co.cc/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Nokia-N9-N950-MeeGo-OS-review-huge-Part-2-118.png

Chrome is not just a browser name... ;)

[Kozzi]

Chrome is not just a browser name... ;)

sorry I'm quite clueless of other meaning than google's browser and it as a material. Any more info ? :)

[Bundyo]

Chrome (https://developer.mozilla.org/en/chrome) also indicates the browser interface. Thats why there are also chromeless browsers (https://mozillalabs.com/chromeless/).

[slaapliedje]

Chrome (https://developer.mozilla.org/en/chrome) also indicates the browser interface. Thats why there are also chromeless browsers (https://mozillalabs.com/chromeless/).

Yeah, but as the specs already say, the built in web browser uses Webkit (not Mozilla's chrome browser interface, which Fennec would probably use.)

There is also Google's Chrome OS, but since this specifically says Web (Chrome) and lists it as an Application, it sure does look like Google Chrome is available (which I think is a downside, if only 'cause I personally dislike Chrome...But then it's an upside, 'cause it'll make those people happy that do.)

Kind of odd that they'd have Chrome and not Chromium, which is the full open source version of Chrome. Unless they do have the plugins and closed source bits in it.

Guess we'll all see when the beast is out!

slaapliedje

[babis3g]

that guy on ebay must be something strange there

i try to ask him a question via ebay, but is not going the message
for a funny reason ebay it tells me enter the verify code again
i have try many times last night and today

also he is saying you know me from selling cheap nokia n9 and iphone 4

the nokia n9 was out last october and is not in the feedback nothing like up for one year

hmmmmmmm.....

[danramos]

Dude.. I think this is the same guy I saw selling watches out of his trenchcoat in downtown! o.o

[Jaffa]

Related to TV-out, there's no cable provided in an N950 box, but TV-out works with the composite cable from the N900. Decent enough quality on a 46" plasma HD TV.

Not necessarily indicative related to the N9.

[gerbick]

By decent, do you mean 480p? 720p? Curious as to the level of output.

[marxian]

By decent, do you mean 480p? 720p? Curious as to the level of output.

VGA, I expect. And the TV-out cable uses composite video, so no progressive scan. The biggest issue I have with using the TV-out on the N900 is the poor colour reproduction (due to composite video). The balance is far too warm, so you end up with oversaturated colours, and whites that look yellow.

[scapegoat845]

Ya, it's nice to play videos via HDMI from your device, but if i ever feel the need to, i'll just get a micro-usb adapter, copy the video to a flash drive, & plug directly into my Samsung lcd. It plays ANYTHING.

[Dave999]

any chance of release date before first of August?

[lauksas]

why did they cut off the keyboard? realy nice UI concepts, but damn, the niciest thing from n900 is the keyborad, why don't use the n8 format? is just perfect... it just need some improvments on the keys... damn

[Kozzi]

Any chance for release in this month? My symbian veteran just broke up :(

IMO If Nokia World is in October and Elop plans on keeping his word about announce late rls early. We probably se Nokia W7 in November and perhaps n9 will be released at the same time like most sites predict.

[kanishou]

Yeah, but as the specs already say, the built in web browser uses Webkit (not Mozilla's chrome browser interface, which Fennec would probably use.)

There is also Google's Chrome OS, but since this specifically says Web (Chrome) and lists it as an Application, it sure does look like Google Chrome is available (which I think is a downside, if only 'cause I personally dislike Chrome...But then it's an upside, 'cause it'll make those people happy that do.)

Kind of odd that they'd have Chrome and not Chromium, which is the full open source version of Chrome. Unless they do have the plugins and closed source bits in it.

Guess we'll all see when the beast is out!

slaapliedje

No, chrome is just a generic term for the interface elements around the app. Google is just being cookie by calling their browser "Chrome". Perhaps it originated as a working title, since it is essentially just chrome around WebKit. Just like the web browser on Harmattan.

It doesn't make sense to have the "Chrome" or "Chromium" browser on the device, because you would have to provide a different "chrome" for it anyways. Just like Fennec is not Firefox, it's just the same engine with a mobile UI. When people call it Firefox, then this is only for marketing reasons.

The search display looks like that when it finds the search term in a keyword, the actual name of the found item is "Web", so it's the built-in browser.

Not sure if this required such a detailed explanation, but I also wanted to give an example of a somewhat longer message typed on the VKB (portrait), since somebody wondered about it. ;) It's not a problem, just needs a bit of practice. Landscape and Swype make it easier, but at least for me are slower.

[slaapliedje]

Chrome is what Mozilla calls their interface elements. Agreed. You know, like the chrome on a car....

Firefox and Fennec (and MicroB) uses the Gecko rendering engine.

Chrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome) uses Webkit and Chromium is the fully open sourced project, as I said (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_%28web_browser%29)

So while Mozilla's Chrome is basically a theming engine and you can define cool things with it, Google's Chrome is a web browser utilizing the open source project of Chromium.

So even if Google Chrome changed it's 'crome' it could still be native on the N9. It's native on the N900 as well, though no one has updated the package in a long time. Not to mention it's not in the apt repositories (at least I couldn't find it after searching for two seconds.)

slaapliedje

[somedude]

any chance of release date before first of August?

Would love it if it is available by the end of this month,
I cancelled T-Mobile USA and went prepaid which serves the 3G in my area but N900 is stuck in EDGE due to N900 not supporting the the necessary band for my service.

hey what happened to your "where is N9 Elop said it in 2011" thread?

[somedude]

Related to TV-out, there's no cable provided in an N950 box, but TV-out works with the composite cable from the N900. Decent enough quality on a 46" plasma HD TV.

Not necessarily indicative related to the N9.

Is there any kind of Data counter / Monitor available? Would be nice if that could be seen in the notifications area.

[jalyst]

Sorry to be a downer, but the proper thing to do is to add some n950 subtitles to the virgin bunker scene.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dwbHYFznWE

Yes do it someone please! :D But even more...
We need one protesting about Elop hugely reducing the chance of there ever being Nokia-built OS again.
One derived from Linux+GNU-userland+QT. :(

Can't remember where I read it (probably MeeGo forums) but while the N9 has the FMTX module in it, there is no "antenna" connected - while the FMTX "could" be activated by an app, it's highly likely that the TX power would not be sufficient to transmit even close distances (ie. to your car stereo). I'd love to (and hope to as well) be proven wrong though!!!

It was confirmed the hardware's there for RX, just not TX. :(
Still, RX (plus RDS) is prolly a tad more useful to me personally than TX.

IMO If Nokia World is in October and Elop plans on keeping his word about announce late rls early. We probably se Nokia W7 in November and perhaps n9 will be released at the same time like most sites predict.

That would be so dumb....
I see no reason to not release it "when its ready", instead of artificially delaying.
(Which -incidentally- I reckon happened to some extent before Nokia connections)

And most sites haven't predicted it'll be released in Nov... :rolleyes:
Most commentary in this thread has suggested a roughly end-of-Sept release for most countries, but it could be very diff. for each country, no-one really knows yet.
Jakiman's talk w/Oz's product manager suggested even a late August for Australia.

If Elop holds true to his word... (hahahahahahahahaha)
When release dates/prices/countries are announced, it'll be available literally days after, if not then & there.

[tissot]

Yeah don't know what's about with that release date. Every major review site has already had their devices for review/preview use and youtube is full of videos of people showing around N9/N950.
I don't really believe that September rumor as that info comes from one carrier in Sweden and they even say it's a estimate and i doubt one carrier in the he world would have solid enough info to put it up there while nobody else doesn't.

I'm one of the very first in preorder line waiting for N9 on a major finnish retailer so hopefully i will have it on the very first day it gets out.

[Dave999]

Would love it if it is available by the end of this month,
I cancelled T-Mobile USA and went prepaid which serves the 3G in my area but N900 is stuck in EDGE due to N900 not supporting the the necessary band for my service.

hey what happened to your "where is N9 Elop said it in 2011" thread?

It's right here:

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67724

It's Closed. I lost it when I realised they ****** up the keyboard!

[jalyst]

I don't really believe that September rumor as that info comes from one carrier in Sweden and they even say it's a estimate and i doubt one carrier in the he world would have solid enough info to put it up there while nobody else doesn't.

There was at least 2 Nordic carriers mentioned for that time, & I've seen others talk about seeing it on German carrier sites for that time.
Plus there's quite a few retailers now offering pre-orders, although none seem to offer explicit dates yet :(

Well end of Sept. is certainly a lot more believable than end of Nov.
There's no way it shouldn't available by end of Sept. to at least 1-2 countries :rolleyes:
If it's not, I'm going to start buying into the Elop conspiracy theories :mad:

[Jaffa]

Is there any kind of Data counter / Monitor available?

Yes, in this image. Although that doesn't mean it'll be in the release image.

[tissot]

There was at least 2 Nordic carriers mentioned for that time, & I've seen others talk about seeing it on German carrier sites for that time.
Plus there's quite a few retailers now offering pre-orders, although none seem to offer explicit dates yet :(

Only thing i have seen has been the Swedish 3 showing it's estimate and as blogs picked it up it has been quoted all around, that's internet for you. ;)
If you have links for some carrier or stores showing that date i'm all ears. :)



Well end of Sept. is certainly a lot more believable than end of Nov.
There's no way it shouldn't available by end of Sept. to at least 1-2 countries :rolleyes:
If it's not, I'm gong to start buying into the Elop conspiracy theories :mad:

Yeah i don't believe that November either. As far as i'm concerned if it goes that late what Dsmobile (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1037515&postcount=77) said might just be true.

[jalyst]

Only thing i have seen has been the Swedish 3 showing it's estimate and as blogs picked it up it has been quoted all around, that's internet for you. ;)
If you have links for some carrier or stores showing that date i'm all ears. :)

CBF'd now, def. read it. :)

Yeah i don't believe that November either. As far as i'm concerned if it goes that late what Dsmobile (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1037515&postcount=77) said might just be true.

Yeah I never believed that for one minute, end of Sept is already very late as is.

If it has a chance to sell well (at least compared to N900!) it doesn't make sense to artificially delay.
Nokia needs all the positive news/reviews/exposure it can get...
If they can leverage the positive news of N9 towards a positive launch for WP7, why not!?!

Most users don't know the difference between Harmatten/Meego/WP7 etc.
All they'll hear is the N9's Nokia's new hotness, & that can only serve to advertise WP7 for Nokia.

If it doesn't get released till end of Nov, then I'll start buying into dsmobile's crazy talk.
As I can't see any other reason why it'd need to be release "that" late... :mad:

If it's not out till the WP7 phones are out, then I'm done with Nokia, kaput.

[Kozzi]

Is there any kind of Data counter / Monitor available? Would be nice if that could be seen in the notifications area.

As someone from Harmattan Ui team ( don't know the correct term) in this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC1ES2gmRxk) said about the multitask to replace widgets. I kind of like this idea of having the Data Monitor interface to be simple and nice enough to leave running in Multitask view and I think Logs already record the traffic in background don't know if it differentiate the use of WLAN and 3G.




If it doesn't get released till end of Nov, then I'll start buying into dsmobile's crazy talk.
As I can't see any other reason why it'd need to be release "that" late... :mad:

If it's not out till the WP7 phones are out, then I'm done with Nokia, kaput.


If what dsmobile said is true then my interest in buying another Nokia product is gone. Perhaps Pre could be a nice candidate among all those android phones, when it comes to Finland.

[lma]

@Jaffa or anyone else who has received a N950 already: does your dmesg output match the syslog on http://wiki.maemo.org/Nokia_N950_Hardware_Misc? I'm a bit puzzled/concerned by this:

Jan 1 04:00:01 (none) kernel: [ 0.000000] Memory: 490MB 2MB = 492MB total

whereas I thought it was supposed to come with 1GB like the N9 (RAM isn't mentioned in the firmware release notes).

At least I hope they are not using this:


Jan 1 04:00:08 (none) kernel: [ 15.327514] ramzswap: Memory limit set to 65536 kB
Jan 1 04:00:08 (none) kernel: [ 15.327514] ramzswap: Using backing swap device: /dev/mapper/encswap
Jan 1 04:00:08 (none) kernel: [ 15.352386] Adding 466552k swap on /dev/ramzswap0. Priority:-1 extents:1 across:466552k


to justify calling it a 1GB device. Technically it's still RAM and it may be able to hold up to 1GB, but that would be stretching it a lot even for Nokia.

[Dave999]

If that is the case for the n9 its really lame...

[rentze]

Technically it's still RAM and it may be able to hold up to 1GB, but that would be stretching it a lot even for Nokia.

No, that's not RAM, even technically. Advertising swap space as RAM would be ridiculous, I don't think that's possible.

[mikecomputing]

CBF'd now, def. read it. :)



Yeah I never believed that for one minute, end of Sept is already very late as is.

If it has a chance to sell well (at least compared to N900!) it doesn't make sense to artificially delay.
Nokia needs all the positive news/reviews/exposure it can get...
If they can leverage the positive news of N9 towards a positive launch for WP7, why not!?!

Most users don't know the difference between Harmatten/Meego/WP7 etc.
All they'll hear is the N9's Nokia's new hotness, & that can only serve to advertise WP7 for Nokia.

If it doesn't get released till end of Nov, then I'll start buying into dsmobile's crazy talk.
As I can't see any other reason why it'd need to be release "that" late... :mad:

If it's not out till the WP7 phones are out, then I'm done with Nokia, kaput.

well your reaction is probadly exactly what Elop want to happen.
Perfect way to kill Meego. Fully announce WPsucks and N9 at the same time.

and the entusiasts who wants N9 to success will be few the rest buys MrFlop ******** talks: "ohh N9 was not ready until now but see what we have a nice WPcock phone instead. Now lets forget . about N9 it will not have longtime support anyway cause my boss Ballmer will help us to kill Meego ASAP"

bigfail :mad:

I hope the rumors are false. Or atleast released in sweden in september as they said...

[keflex]

Man mikecomputing you should really drink a Valium milkshake. I'd be very surprised if Elop didn't want the N9 to succeed; they've spent a lot of money on R&D for it, why would they not attempt to make a profit?

[lma]

No, that's not RAM, even technically.

It's swap space in RAM (compressed, works rather well (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32105) on older devices so I'm happy to see it out of the box), rather than any sort of "mass storage" device.

[kanishou]

N950 has 512MB RAM according to all the specs I've seen so far (don't remember where right now). Perhaps this was changed still, but I doubt it.

N9 has 1GB of "true" RAM of course, no swap cheating.

Also, whatever you think about Elop, he seems pretty keen on the N9. Of course it's a tough situation, but from his point of view the N9 both shows what Nokia is capable of, and what we will see in future devices. He just doesn't want us or everyone else to forget what Nokia's long-term plan is... And I can't entirely fault him on that, as frustrating as it can be.

With the developer program, the marketing of the N9 so far, and the attention it gets on developer.nokia.com, I really can't complain about a lack of effort though. You can only do so much to support application development for a dead platform, but I think that Nokia is doing it.

Also, "dead" is probably not the right term anyway. It is dead in the sense that there won't be major updates of the OS for customers in the future, but for developers the platform is far less dead thanks to Qt and Nokia's plans with it.

[abbra]

@Jaffa or anyone else who has received a N950 already: does your dmesg output match the syslog on http://wiki.maemo.org/Nokia_N950_Hardware_Misc? I'm a bit puzzled/concerned by this:

Jan 1 04:00:01 (none) kernel: [ 0.000000] Memory: 490MB 2MB = 492MB total

whereas I thought it was supposed to come with 1GB like the N9 (RAM isn't mentioned in the firmware release notes).

At least I hope they are not using this:


Jan 1 04:00:08 (none) kernel: [ 15.327514] ramzswap: Memory limit set to 65536 kB
Jan 1 04:00:08 (none) kernel: [ 15.327514] ramzswap: Using backing swap device: /dev/mapper/encswap
Jan 1 04:00:08 (none) kernel: [ 15.352386] Adding 466552k swap on /dev/ramzswap0. Priority:-1 extents:1 across:466552k


to justify calling it a 1GB device. Technically it's still RAM and it may be able to hold up to 1GB, but that would be stretching it a lot even for Nokia.

N950 and N9 both have 1GB physical RAM. A smaller part of it is used for compressed swap in ram, based on http://code.google.com/p/compcache/ project. Prototypes before devkit release may have less physical memory (512MB) and that is normal process for hardware development.

My N950 device shows 985MB of available RAM and 255MB of swap. As swap is compressed in RAM, numbers don't add up and that's expected too.

[jalyst]

If what dsmobile said is true then my interest in buying another Nokia product is gone. Perhaps Pre could be a nice candidate among all those android phones, when it comes to Finland.

If they release the N9 at the same time as the Searay, the earliest that could be is Nov.
It could even drag out into Q1 2012...
If that's what happens, then I'll be placing my order for the no.1 WebOS & Android devices for Xmas.
6mth+ later I'll also buy a WP7x phone, but it won't be a Nokia. :mad:

<SNIP>to justify calling it a 1GB device. Technically it's still RAM and it may be able to hold up to 1GB, but that would be stretching it a lot even for Nokia.

Device details (http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/N9/) at developer.nokia says 1 GB RAM memory, & doesn't mention anything else.
Man that's the "straw that broke the camel's back" for me...
If it turns out the N9 also implements "RAM" like this, I don't think I can justify a purchase any more.
Especially in light of the possibility of artificial delays, & LT viability of the platform.


*EDIT*

N950 and N9 both have 1GB physical RAM. A smaller part of it is used for compressed swap in ram, based on http://code.google.com/p/compcache/ project. Prototypes before devkit release may have less physical memory (512MB) and that is normal process for hardware development.
My N950 device shows 985MB of available RAM and 255MB of swap. As swap is compressed in RAM, numbers don't add up and that's expected too.

Oh thank god, I was about to blow a gasket! :D

[anim1]

no hw keyboard no buy!

[abbra]

BTW, all N950 from devkit have markings "Not for sale, developer device" and prototypes before that all have markings "Not for sale. Property of Nokia". If any of those devices occur on eBay or around for sale, you for sure will know that their sale is illegal.

[Petteri]

As an N900 user I am really happy about Nokia finally getting N9 out. I am getting one for my self and one for my girlfriend. Hopefully Jingle calls work as good as on the N900.

[BigBadGuber!]

The N9 is over rated. The E6 is Da Man :D This is written on my E6 :D

So far my experience with the E6 is an exceptionally cool device for exceptionally cool dudes.

Anyway, the N9 rox :)

I was thinking About buying it, but somebody mentioned that it is sluggish at times? Also, how is symbian Anna?

[jalyst]

no hw keyboard no buy!

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1042333&postcount=1316
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1042401&postcount=1324

[ste-phan]

I was thinking About buying it, but somebody mentioned that it is sluggish at times? Also, how is symbian Anna?

This E6 seems the ultimate real Nokia Symbian phone. I might purchase it as I like the form factor.

Most button pushing bloggers don't review it thouroughly.

Q to Mr Ericsson:

-did they screw up with the autofocus? (no autofocus for doc scans as in the "business" phone E7)

-any other wth did Nokia leave this basic functionality out after so many years? (share photo via service for example)

-how is browsing (real websites): how many open browser windows before it hangs? Any way to block adds and malicious scripts to speed up browsing?

-how big is the relief when you return to the N900? ;)

[Dave999]

Ok, i want à keyboard but since its gone I expect the device to be thinner. Why is n9 a fat phone... Nokia dont have the best hw and not the edge design and that is boring. I guess the handset working very well without it. It just boring...

[jalyst]

^ Fat? it's 7.5mm is many places, thinner than iP4 which is 9 or 10mm.
And it gets up to no more than 11mm from memory, & that's w/a far better camera module than iP4, which usually adds heaps of girth.

[ste-phan]

Ok, i want à keyboard but since its gone I expect the device to be thinner. Why is n9 a fat phone... Nokia dont have the best hw and not the edge design and that is boring. I guess the handset working very well without it. It just boring...

It must be the battery and a couple of integrated circuits still taking space.
The outside N9 design features are simple and easy to do.

Its stuffing the hardware inside and finding a compromise on autonomy vs thickness that is the real exercise.

For me they could have made it twice as thick with twice or trice the battery capacity and the N8 camera module.

[Dave999]

^ Fat? it's 7.5mm is many places, thinner than iP4 which is 9 or 10mm.
And it gets up to no more than 11mm from memory, & that's w/a far better camera module than iP4, which usually adds heaps of girth.

Well a fat phone among the keyboardless phones. 7.5 is on the sides. Top and bottom. Who cares about that? I have read in many places that the it's 12.x mm thick. Is that wrong?

Edit: don't compare with old phones look at the phones that are released now. Xperia arc sgs2 iPhone 5 and so forth

[jalyst]

Given the batt. capacity, excellent batt. consumption it's likely to have*, & superior overall camera tech.
I reckon the dimensions are better than anything else out there right now.
Of course by the time it's out... that'll prolly be different :(


Edit: don't compare with old phones look at the phones that are released now. Xperia arc sgs2 iPhone 5 and so forth

I have seen it compared dimension-wise to sgs2, & it looks more compact/portable to me. :confused:
I haven't seen it compared to xperia arc...

It's not fair to compare it to ip5, there haven't even been any previews of iP5 yet :confused:
And so long as it's not out later than Sept (it shouldn't bloody be!) it'll be out at least 1mth before iP5.
And there isn't any proof it will/won't be out much earlier than end-of-Sep for some countries.


*less beastly hw's a big factor, + they realised they can get away w/less beastly & still offer decent UI/MT perf.

[somedude]

Well a fat phone among the keyboardless phones. 7.5 is on the sides. Top and bottom. Who cares about that? I have read in many places that the it's 12.x mm thick. Is that wrong?

Edit: don't compare with old phones look at the phones that are released now. Xperia arc sgs2 iPhone 5 and so forth

Mind sharing more about this mystery device?

[lma]

BTW, all N950 from devkit have markings "Not for sale, developer device" and prototypes before that all have markings "Not for sale. Property of Nokia". If any of those devices occur on eBay or around for sale, you for sure will know that their sale is illegal.

Are there N950s whose sale would be legitimate?

[Dave999]

Mind sharing more about this mystery device?

I can't it's till a secret. But it's thin ;) what I mean was phones closer To n9 release

[rentze]

It's swap space in RAM (compressed, works rather well (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32105) on older devices so I'm happy to see it out of the box), rather than any sort of "mass storage" device.


Oh, I see... Well, then it definitely is RAM, my bad... but in that case it should be possible to disable this kind of swap if it doesn't fit one's expectations. Anyway this is much metter than on-disk swap...

[jalyst]

Oh, I see... Well, then it definitely is RAM, my bad... but in that case it should be possible to disable this kind of swap if it doesn't fit one's expectations. Anyway this is much metter than on-disk swap...

Fortunately the N9 and most 950's still have 1GB:
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1043717&postcount=1400
So that dmesg output must've been from a prototype w/less (512MB) physical RAM

[Jaffa]

@Jaffa or anyone else who has received a N950 already: does your dmesg output match the syslog on http://wiki.maemo.org/Nokia_N950_Hardware_Misc?

This was based on RDA to devices at Nokia. It does not reflect the "real" N950s which are being given out to developers:

I'm a bit puzzled/concerned by this:

Jan 1 04:00:01 (none) kernel: [ 0.000000] Memory: 490MB 2MB = 492MB total

whereas I thought it was supposed to come with 1GB like the N9 (RAM isn't mentioned in the firmware release notes).

It does:


Jul 1 20:08:43 (none) kernel: [ 0.000000] Memory: 1002MB 2MB = 1004MB total
Jul 1 20:08:43 (none) kernel: [ 0.000000] Memory: 1008256KB available (4644K code, 464K data, 152K init, 0K highmem)


At least I hope they are not using this:


Jan 1 04:00:08 (none) kernel: [ 15.327514] ramzswap: Memory limit set to 65536 kB
Jan 1 04:00:08 (none) kernel: [ 15.327514] ramzswap: Using backing swap device: /dev/mapper/encswap
Jan 1 04:00:08 (none) kernel: [ 15.352386] Adding 466552k swap on /dev/ramzswap0. Priority:-1 extents:1 across:466552k



Jul 1 20:08:43 (none) kernel: [ 7.706970] ramzswap: num_devices not specified. Using default: 1
Jul 1 20:08:43 (none) kernel: [ 7.707000] ramzswap: Creating 1 devices ...
Jul 1 20:08:43 (none) kernel: [ 7.749267] ramzswap: Disk size set to 262144 kB
Jul 1 20:08:43 (none) kernel: [ 7.767364] Adding 262136k swap on /dev/ramzswap0. Priority:-1 extents:1 across:262136k SS

[bergie]

why did they cut off the keyboard? realy nice UI concepts, but damn, the niciest thing from n900 is the keyborad, why don't use the n8 format? is just perfect... it just need some improvments on the keys... damn

Actually, a weird thing: the couple of days I've had the N950, I've only opened the keyboard once or twice. The other times the virtual one has been enough.

I don't know if this situation will stay (I never used the on-screen keyboard with the N900, always opening the HW one), but at least these couple of days say I could live also with the keyboardless N9.

[Jaffa]

Actually, a weird thing: the couple of days I've had the N950, I've only opened the keyboard once or twice. The other times the virtual one has been enough.

I don't know if this situation will stay (I never used the on-screen keyboard with the N900, always opening the HW one), but at least these couple of days say I could live also with the keyboardless N9.

Agreed. I've done similar. The keyboard is nice, but I'm primarily only using it for Terminal + SSH + screen + irssi. If someone came up with an irssi-backed daemon and a Harmattan client (e.g. allowed me to see scrollback, get msgs as IMs etc); I could probably entirely live without it.

[bergie]

As someone from Harmattan Ui team ( don't know the correct term) in this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC1ES2gmRxk) said about the multitask to replace widgets.

QML applications can recognize when they're in the minimized (thumbnail) state and can adjust the information they display accordingly.

So far I've seen very few apps take advantage of this, but I'm use there will be "widgets" done this way. When you app is fullscreen, show full info, and when minimized, show only some basic info (now playing in media apps, current temperature for weather apps, etc).

[Dave999]

yes, but that is not replacement. Its not so effective since you might open one or several apps in between. Also, you can't add your favorite contacts and reach them with one click.

What you can do is, you can star your favoite contacts, but its not the same thing and is slower than widgets on a desktop.

EDIT if you could lock the position of an app in the multitasking view, that could be a replacment for widgets, but not for contacts.

[bergie]

yes, but that is not replacement. Its not so effective since you might open one or several apps in between. Also, you can't add your favorite contacts and reach them with one click.


An idea: how about writing an application that makes .desktop files for all of the contacts you've favourited and places them in the application launcher folder?

It could even update the icon based on availability status.

As with the N900, we as the community have the opportunity of making the device work the way we want :)

[Dave999]

An idea: how about writing an application that makes .desktop files for all of the contacts you've favourited and places them in the application launcher folder?

It could even update the icon based on availability status.

As with the N900, we as the community have the opportunity of making the device work the way we want :)

Nice, I will request that on meego.com. and look into that when i get a device.

[marxian]

QML applications can recognize when they're in the minimized (thumbnail) state and can adjust the information they display accordingly.

So far I've seen very few apps take advantage of this, but I'm use there will be "widgets" done this way. When you app is fullscreen, show full info, and when minimized, show only some basic info (now playing in media apps, current temperature for weather apps, etc).

That would be OK for displaying information, but I presume there will not be a way to create an interactive widget (e.g one with kinetic scrolling or text input). I'm not a big widget user myself, but it would be nice to have a fully-functioning widget for my application.

[lma]

Agreed. I've done similar. The keyboard is nice, but I'm primarily only using it for Terminal + SSH + screen + irssi.

So how is the terminal with the on-screen keyboard? Screenshots welcome :-)

[kanishou]

Well a fat phone among the keyboardless phones. 7.5 is on the sides. Top and bottom. Who cares about that? I have read in many places that the it's 12.x mm thick. Is that wrong?

Edit: don't compare with old phones look at the phones that are released now. Xperia arc sgs2 iPhone 5 and so forth

Wow... You should really hold one in your hand, before calling it a "fat" phone. No it's not 12mm at "many" places, because the whole phone is convex on both sides, 12mm is the absolute maximum at the center of the phone.

It does not look like a fat phone and it does not feel like a fat phone, which is really all that should matter.

Sure, the GS2 and similar phones may be slimmer, but they are also much wider and higher, which makes it actually worse for ergonomics. Not to mention the hard edges.

This is one more case where specs simply don't tell the full story. Don't judge it before you see it (or at least trust those who have).

The N9 directly compares to the iPhone 4 form factor, but beats it both in comfort and the capabilities of the components it manages to pack into it (most significantly the huge screen). Apple may be able to match this again with their next device (I'd expect nothing less), but let's talk about that when they actually do so.

[erendorn]

An idea: how about writing an application that makes .desktop files for all of the contacts you've favourited and places them in the application launcher folder?

It could even update the icon based on availability status.

As with the N900, we as the community have the opportunity of making the device work the way we want :)

I was thinking of an application to host shortcuts and contacts (and widgets) there (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74413).

[Kozzi]

So how is the terminal with the on-screen keyboard? Screenshots welcome :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-eJ_gzlXgE#t=18m45s
here with portrait and landscape qwerty.

[mikecomputing]

Man mikecomputing you should really drink a Valium milkshake. I'd be very surprised if Elop didn't want the N9 to succeed; they've spent a lot of money on R&D for it, why would they not attempt to make a profit?

I dont agree. Cause everytime that man open his mounth he says something bad about Meego and how good WP is......

And as we know several people has leaved the company. I guess there only is wp7 people left at Nokia board atm...

[tswindell]

I dont agree. Cause everytime that man open his mounth he says something bad about Meego and how good WP is......

And as we know several people has leaved the company. I guess there only is wp7 people left at Nokia board atm...

I doubt the Nokia board give a crap about platforms/ecosystems, they just want to make a profit for them and their share holders. And I donmt think they're too stupid either, I'm sure the Microsoft Windows Phone move was deemed to be their best rapid chance at profitability in the highend smart phone market, even if you and I don't agree with them.

But they certainly don't give a crap about open source solutions, open development models, etc. They just want to make lots of money and compete with other providers.

[mikecomputing]

So how is the terminal with the on-screen keyboard? Screenshots welcome :-)

same terminal app as in meego N900CE

and can be downloaded from gitorius

[daperl]

Here are the first glimpses of the terminal I will be using with stylus-free Harmattan devices:

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That's 83 keys when you include the cyan and magenta swipes.

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73 columns for your reading pleasure. And don't forget, there are 54 more pixels still to come.

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I'll be retiring my stylus terminal that has served me well for 3 years.

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[twoboxen]

That's 83 keys when you include the cyan and magenta swipes.


How do the swipes work?

[daperl]

How do the swipes work?

Swipe up for capital, swipe left for upper-left (cyan) character, swipe down for lower-right (magenta) character.

[mscion]

Swipe up for capital, swipe left for upper-left (cyan) character, swipe down for lower-right (magenta) character.

Looks quite interesting. So do you basically type with your right thumb? Seems odd if so but perhaps you get used to it and can type quickly.

[daperl]

Looks quite interesting. So do you basically type with your right thumb? Seems odd if so but perhaps you get used to it and can type quickly.

Well, I still get to use my stylus for a few more weeks :), but I'll end up using my right index finger with Harmattan devices. I'm refactoring some code for lefties and two-handed-thumb users. Here's a quick first stab:

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[keflex]

looks like a great approach to a touchscreen keyboard, great to see someone taking advantage of the interface. will be interested to see its usability compared to a standard qwerty, but well done.

[lma]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-eJ_gzlXgE#t=18m45s
here with portrait and landscape qwerty.

Hm, in landscape mode the keyboard only leaves 6 lines for the terminal. Curses apps (vi, mutt, or even plain old top) certainly won't be much fun with that. For the rest, I guess one of the first things people are going to be adding to that button bar will be "| less" ;-)

Portrait mode might actually have been usable with a stylus (those keys look about the same size as the ones on maemo's stylus keyboard, and I definitely can't finger-type accurately on that).

[kanishou]

Hm, in landscape mode the keyboard only leaves 6 lines for the terminal. Curses apps (vi, mutt, or even plain old top) certainly won't be much fun with that. For the rest, I guess one of the first things people are going to be adding to that button bar will be "| less" ;-)

Portrait mode might actually have been usable with a stylus (those keys look about the same size as the ones on maemo's stylus keyboard, and I definitely can't finger-type accurately on that).

Yes, the terminal is a bit narrow in landscape, which is one reason why I always use it in portrait mode. Another reason is, that I don't have any trouble with the VKB in portrait mode.

Don't compare it to the Maemo keyboard, it's an entirely different feeling. It is surprisingly easy to hit the right keys, it seems like it registers the position of a finger much more reliably than the resistive screen does (so where a resistive screen will send contact events all over, the capacitive screen will activate the closest button at the center of your touch). I may not have the hugest fingers, but I'm talking thumbs here.

And even if you have trouble hitting the right keys reliably for some reason, you can always plunge down your finger, and move it around until the right letter appears in the magnifier (which is also eased by the excellent haptic feedback on the N9). It's slower of course, but always gets the job done.

[daperl]

Does anyone know how good Nokia's SU-39 capacitive/resistive stylus is? It's suppose to be compatible with all of Nokia's latest capacitive screen offerings. It's less than $10 US through an Amazon store.

http://europe.nokia.com/MEDIA_BANK_100/R6Accessories/S/SU-39/SU-39_overview1_grey_302x302.png

[Kozzi]

And even if you have trouble hitting the right keys reliably for some reason, you can always plunge down your finger, and move it around until the right letter appears in the magnifier (which is also eased by the excellent haptic feedback on the N9). It's slower of course, but always gets the job done.

I really want to see this feature demoed, screenshot please ? or link to any video which has is demoed.

[kanishou]

I really want to see this feature demoed, screenshot please ? or link to any video which has is demoed.

I'm not keeping track of all the videos, so I'm not sure if it is demoed somewhere (I'm sure somebody will be able to help out), but it works essentially the same way as the iPhone keyboard:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNgGudVXgzI (at 0:30 the "tap and slide" is demoed). The other features are pretty similar as well, only that the predictive word replacing is not automatic by default (instead you either tap the bubble with the suggested word, or click on a misspelled word to get a list of suggestions). You can make it automatic as well though, in which case space will insert the predicted word.

While searching for this demonstration I also found out about this trick, which works as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOr4B7B5A8Y

So yeah, it's very close to the iPhone keyboard, with nice haptic feedback, great responsiveness, and some additional tricks (like swiping to change input language/method).

[Rugoz]

Just read an interview with the nokia product manager for austria&israel. The interviewer asks if the n9 is DOA, he says it is definitely not. There will be regular software updates and they're working on bringing as many qt apps as possible from symbian to meego. He cannot tell yet if there will be more meego products in the future though.

[zymo]

Nokia N9 screenshot gallery 2/2

http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/07/04/nokia-n9-screenshot-gallery-22/

[scapegoat845]

Just read an interview with the nokia product manager for austria&israel. The interviewer asks if the n9 is DOA, he says it is definitely not. There will be regular software updates and they're working on bringing as many qt apps as possible from symbian to meego. He cannot tell yet if there will be more meego products in the future though.

Link please ?

[zymo]

Link please ?

it’s in german!

http://www.news.at/articles/1126/542/300745/nokia-n9-das-n9-hero-device


EDIT: english version (google translated)

http://translate.google.de/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.news.at%2Farticles%2F1126%2F542 %2F300745%2Fnokia-n9-das-n9-hero-device

[NOMOS]

Thats actually a pretty good read. It basically means that at least in Austria the N9 will be pushed as the hero device, the app store will be getting a push, and all carriers are behind it. This is something the N900 never had, in any country I believe. This is actually awesome news!

[benny1967]

Thats actually a pretty good read. It basically means that at least in Austria the N9 will be pushed as the hero device, the app store will be getting a push, and all carriers are behind it. This is something the N900 never had, in any country I believe. This is actually awesome news!

It'll be interesting if there will by carrier restrictions as we know them from the Symbian world... like carriers adding their own software, removing Nokia software, delaying Nokia OS updates etc etc

I usually don't buy phones from carriers, but I did with my N900 because I was told in advance the N900 couldn't be crippled by carriers. How about the N9? Any info yet?

[marrat]

Thats actually a pretty good read. It basically means that at least in Austria the N9 will be pushed as the hero device, the app store will be getting a push, and all carriers are behind it. This is something the N900 never had, in any country I believe. This is actually awesome news!

However, it also says the N9 will be a good sale in the (christmas) holiday season... So "End of the year", as Elop stated... I don't want to wait until November for this thing... what's up in their f***** minds?

[mikecomputing]

Thats actually a pretty good read. It basically means that at least in Austria the N9 will be pushed as the hero device, the app store will be getting a push, and all carriers are behind it. This is something the N900 never had, in any country I believe. This is actually awesome news!

same has been said in before in northeuropean too...

As saaid before DElop will fail if he actually thinks WP can replace symbian/meego in every globally not a chance! Elop is probadly talking mostly to US people...

probadly cause Nokia has most stockholders in US?

[Daneel]

It'll be interesting if there will by carrier restrictions as we know them from the Symbian world... like carriers adding their own software, removing Nokia software, delaying Nokia OS updates etc etc

I usually don't buy phones from carriers, but I did with my N900 because I was told in advance the N900 couldn't be crippled by carriers. How about the N9? Any info yet?

I doubt you can cripple the N9 as well, if they use custom carrier firmware on it you can just get the default one from Nokia and you are good to go.

[Rugoz]

probadly cause Nokia has most stockholders in US?


About half of the stockholders are from the US. The board members are all europeans (mostly scandinavians), only one is american.

I agree though that wp7 is about winning on the american market.

[tissot]

I doubt you can cripple the N9 as well, if they use custom carrier firmware on it you can just get the default one from Nokia and you are good to go.

Though how much of bloated software do carriers still put out there? As i have got it it's quite rare these days.

I don't know because i'm actually living in a country that's free and have not ever had carriers putting any sh1t in to my phones. :p

[Jedibeeftrix]

EDIT: english version (google translated)
http://translate.google.de/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.news.at%2Farticles%2F1126%2F542 %2F300745%2Fnokia-n9-das-n9-hero-device

available in the holiday season!

[casper27]

available in the holiday season!

See thats were Apple get it right and Nokia so so wrong. Apple Announce, Showcase(Lie, Lie, Lie) and release within a month or so. Nokia have generated alot of interest NOW which will subside by christmas with new and more dazzling software/hardware to wow the masses.
Always seems to me that no matter how great a phone Nokia release it seems like the same old "Would have been brilliant IF they released it last year"

[mscion]

Well, I still get to use my stylus for a few more weeks :), but I'll end up using my right index finger with Harmattan devices. I'm refactoring some code for lefties and two-handed-thumb users. Here's a quick first stab:

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Pretty cool. Thanks for taking us lefties into consideration! Makes me think of the ergonomic keyboard that splits the keys for the left and right hand. I do wonder how easy hitting the keys on the far left and right will be on the n9. It's pretty thin so I'm not sure how gripping will work out. One thing nice about the N900 is that you could put your pointer fingers behind the slider for support and that sort of naturally put your thumb in a good postion to easily type. Actually, I would love to see something like what you've done on a device with similar dimensions to a PSP (which also has a nice size screen a little bigger than the n9). It would be great to put the VKB where the game buttons are, to the left and right of the screen. Of course if you want to play a game you could then have your virtual buttons appear in place of the letters...

[NvyUs]

available in the holiday season!

Same Guy who gave that interview told me a Week or Two back that it will go on sale before iphone 5 is announced.
which would be August/early September in my book.
I think he's just put a conservative estimate for release on things, just for the purpose of that interview b/c hes not allowed to say when yet.

[Kozzi]

I really hope that by holiday season, they meant some time closer than christmas. Seriously, Nokia has almost fixed their announce
early release late problem with Symbian phones (C7, C6 and E7). I hope they do the same this time.

[NvyUs]

I really hope that by holiday season, they meant some time closer than christmas. Seriously, Nokia has almost fixed their announce early release late problem with Symbian phones (C7, C6 and E7). I hope they do the same this time.

C7 & C6-01 both started shipping about a month after they were announced. E7 seemed to take forever.

[NOMOS]

That is incorrect, to me in German it reads as if the device will be out on the market "nicely way before Christmas", which is also the only indication he can give since they are still fine tuning stuff. He said it in a way that just indicates they expect it to fully profit from holiday sales, not that in will not be out until December. Any other German speaking people that want to weigh in on this?

[Dave999]

is this a low-end phone with a high-end price?

[marrat]

That is incorrect, to me in German it reads as if the device will be out on the market "nicely way before Christmas", which is also the only indication he can give since they are still fine tuning stuff. He said it in a way that just indicates they expect it to fully profit from holiday sales, not that in will not be out until December. Any other German speaking people that want to weigh in on this?

"Das einzige, was ich jetzt schon verraten kann, ist, dass es sich schön für das Weihnachtsgeschäft ausgehen wird."

--> The only thing I can say right now is, that it will be quite well for the christmas sale. (However I don't know if this is an accurate translation from the Austrian German)

"Beim N9 ist es schon so, vor allem in Österreich, dass wir es als unser Hero-Device für das Weihnachtsgeschäft sehen und dementsprechend auch schon alle Netzbetreiber dahinter haben."

--> The N9 we see indeed, especially in Austria, as our hero-device for the christmas sale, therefore we have all operators behind us (it).

"Weihnachtgeschäft" is the sale session starting by late November, in Germany at least, where people start buying their christmas gifts... (and retailers have huge revenues, of course, more than by any other time of the year.)

[Rugoz]

That is incorrect, to me in German it reads as if the device will be out on the market "nicely way before Christmas", which is also the only indication he can give since they are still fine tuning stuff. He said it in a way that just indicates they expect it to fully profit from holiday sales, not that in will not be out until December. Any other German speaking people that want to weigh in on this?

He says "sich schön .. ausgehen wird", which I think is an expression only austrians use. I would translate it with: "The only thing I can say is that it will easily do it for the christmas business". Could mean anything, but I guess not later than november.

[PortaDiFerro]

Haven't really been lurking here since my N900 craze faded, but now N9 seems to renew that excitement and must-get feeling! (Although granted I'd much rather get N950)

I had some concerns, mainly Adobe Digital Editions and Kindle support, since I read a lot on the phone, but I hope those would work through Dalvik? Other than that I'm not overly worried about lack of apps and since I do Qt for living anyway I'm itching to make a little something myself if the need arise and somehow find the time. :)

Now release that baby already!

[mikecomputing]

See thats were Apple get it right and Nokia so so wrong. Apple Announce, Showcase(Lie, Lie, Lie) and release within a month or so. Nokia have generated alot of interest NOW which will subside by christmas with new and more dazzling software/hardware to wow the masses.
Always seems to me that no matter how great a phone Nokia release it seems like the same old "Would have been brilliant IF they released it last year"

if this is true its because of the WPsuck strategy. There are engineers who already has said "its ready" and just bugfixes now. Just take a look on all videos its seems ready to me!

I really hope it will be released end of september. atleast in my country ;)

[marrat]

if this is true its because of the WPsuck strategy. There are engineers who already has said "its ready" and just bugfixes now. Just take a look on all videos its seems ready to me!

I really hope it will be released end of september. atleast in my country ;)

That's the good thing of living in the EU: No matter in which country it gets released first: I should be able to order it right from there and have it shipped to Germany.

[danramos]

Haven't really been lurking here since my N900 craze faded, but now N9 seems to renew that excitement and must-get feeling! (Although granted I'd much rather get N950)

I had some concerns, mainly Adobe Digital Editions and Kindle support, since I read a lot on the phone, but I hope those would work through Dalvik? Other than that I'm not overly worried about lack of apps and since I do Qt for living anyway I'm itching to make a little something myself if the need arise and somehow find the time. :)

Now release that baby already!

There is no plan for dalvik on N9--certainly nothing confirmed or talked about by anyone in Nokia, it's just bs and rumor flying around. Anyway, if it doesn't come out by the time I finish this sentence, it'll probably be doomed and forgotten anyway. Also, while we're at it, what's an N9?

[jalyst]

However, it also says the N9 will be a good sale in the (christmas) holiday season... So "End of the year", as Elop stated... I don't want to wait until November for this thing... what's up in their f***** minds?

If this is delayed any later then end of Sept. I'm done.
There's no way it's not releasable by then, there'd have to be artificial delays involved.
In which case I won't buy an N9 or the following Searay.
On to a WebOS & Android ph for Xmas, and a WP7 (non-Nokia) 6mth later.

Same Guy who gave that interview told me a Week or Two back that it will go on sale before iphone 5 is announced.
which would be August/early September in my book.
I think he's just put a conservative estimate for release on things, just for the purpose of that interview b/c hes not allowed to say when yet.

That's do-able... so I hope-to-god you're right!

is this a low-end phone with a high-end price?

troll much? ;)

<SNIP>
I had some concerns, mainly Adobe Digital Editions and Kindle support, since I read a lot on the phone, but I hope those would work through Dalvik? <SNIP>

Myriad said round the beginning of the year that they've no plans to release alien dalkvik for end-users.

Dunno if that's changed, but I certainly haven't heard otherwise...
Just plenty of users along-the-way "assuming" they will.

<SNIP> Anyway, if it doesn't come out by the time I finish this sentence, it'll probably be doomed and forgotten anyway. Also, while we're at it, what's an N9?

Oh and twin troll's back it at ;) :D
Just curious, why do you even bother following this thread any more?
You clearly hate the N9 and want the worst for it.

[PortaDiFerro]

Myriad said round the beginning of the year that they've no plans to release alien dalkvik for end-users.

Dunno if that's changed, but I certainly haven't heard otherwise....
Just plenty of users along the way "assuming" they will.


Thanks for clearing that up, best not to assume that will be available then. Ah well will just have to keep crackin' them books.

I also started envisioning a DIY combined case and hw keyboard for it, wonder if it would be possible to make it work with the NFC :)

[kanishou]

if this is true its because of the WPsuck strategy. There are engineers who already has said "its ready" and just bugfixes now. Just take a look on all videos its seems ready to me!

I really hope it will be released end of september. atleast in my country ;)

While I of course can't tell you any internals, I will say that nothing fishy is going on and in all likelyhood the N9 will be out when it's ready.

Even if Elop would be a trojan or the devil in person, he would have to be quite stupid to try any foulplay, when quite a few disgruntled devs wouldn't hesitate to call him out on that. From what I can tell though, Nokia management wants the N9 to succeed like the rest of us (aside from Dave and danramos :p).

[SubCore]

He says "sich schön .. ausgehen wird", which I think is an expression only austrians use. I would translate it with: "The only thing I can say is that it will easily do it for the christmas business". Could mean anything, but I guess not later than november.

indeed, i would translate "es geht sich schön aus" as "it's easily in time for" in that context.
so, sometime between sept and nov, but we kinda knew that already :)

btw, i also like this bit from the interview:
"Worüber ich jetzt noch nicht reden kann, ist, ob das N9 das letzte Produkt mit MeeGo ist oder ob es noch weitere geben wird."
Transl:
"i cannot tell you yet if the N9 will be the last meego product or if there'll be more".
that doesn't sound like the definitive "no" everyone's so afraid of since the elop interview and quim's blog post ;)
but then again, it could be...

god i hate marketing :P

[shallimus]

If this is delayed any later then end of Sept. I'm done.
There's no way it's not releasable by then, there'd have to be artificial delays involved.
In which case I won't buy an N9 or the following Searay.
On to a WebOS & Android ph for Xmas, and a WP7 (non-Nokia) 6mth later.
Just curious: what about WP7 makes you want to spend money on it? Follow-up: what makes a non-Nokia WP7 phone more attractive than a Nokia MeeGo phone (even if the N9 is delayed)?

[jakiman]

I just ordered a WP7 phone (Samsung Ominia 7) to fill the gap of trying something new until N9 comes out. Well, my work allows me to buy a phone every 2 years and expense it for reimbursing and it cannot be an Android phone. As I have plenty of Nokia phones, I decided to get a WP7 phone to just play with. I'll be eagerly awaiting for the Mango update though.

[Dave999]

I just ordered a WP7 phone (Samsung Ominia 7) to fill the gap of trying something new until N9 comes out. Well, my work allows me to buy a phone every 2 years and expense it for reimbursing and it cannot be an Android phone. As I have plenty of Nokia phones, I decided to get a WP7 phone to just play with. I'll be eagerly awaiting for the Mango update though.

You will regret it as soon as you see the menu :D

[danramos]

Just curious, why do you even bother following this thread any more?
You clearly hate the N9 and want the worst for it.

Why do you respond to it? You're clearly taking me (and probably the N9) far too seriously. heh I came for InternetTabletTalk and ended up being told I should like the N9... why WOULDN'T I want the worst for it? By comparison, the N900 is an incredibly wonderful computer--and I didn't even like that move away from the N8x0 line as it is. Why do *I* check back? Hoping that something running Linux gets released that follows in the Maemo/MeeGo footsteps that I can like. So far, I remain unimpressed. Clearly, you're much easier to impress.

[ericsson]

This E6 seems the ultimate real Nokia Symbian phone. I might purchase it as I like the form factor.

Most button pushing bloggers don't review it thouroughly.

Q to Mr Ericsson:

-did they screw up with the autofocus? (no autofocus for doc scans as in the "business" phone E7)

-any other wth did Nokia leave this basic functionality out after so many years? (share photo via service for example)

-how is browsing (real websites): how many open browser windows before it hangs? Any way to block adds and malicious scripts to speed up browsing?

-how big is the relief when you return to the N900? ;)

There's a lot of reviews out there now. In a nutshell the E6 is in every way like a blend of a swiss army knife and a swiss watch.

It has EDoF. No macro. Anna rox, the best symbian ever. Same functionality and power as before, only faster and smoother. The default browser is OK nothing more, but the new Opera for Anna is excellent, probably the best browser ever produced on any device. I only use Opera. Pics can be sent to any service you have configured, havent tried it yet though. Multitasking is at least as good as the N900.

I havent missed the N900 a single minute, not yet. The keyboard on the E6 is better, it got a dpad, pinch to zoom, much better browser (Opera, the default one needs further improvements). The phone functionality is light years ahead of the N900. It is generally faster and more snappy than the N900. Besides, I get more than enough of linux trying to get that slow whale of an os called MeeGo running on the N900 in anything but snail speed.

In short the E6 rox, it really does.

[keflex]

Clearly, you're much easier to impress.

Alternately, we're impressed by different things. If you're going to shitstir at least do a decent job of it.

I dont agree. Cause everytime that man open his mounth he says something bad about Meego and how good WP is......

And as we know several people has leaved the company. I guess there only is wp7 people left at Nokia board atm...

I'd like you to give me 3 direct quotes from Stephen Elop that badmouth MeeGo. Until you do, your argument has no merit and you should probably just stop talking.

Something all the FOSStards around here seem to continually forget is that Nokia is a company. Companies - believe it or not - exist to make profit. Companies also traditionally have better resources for deciding what will make them the most profit than neckbeards living in their parent's basements. Nokia have sided with WP7 because it is the most likely way for them to remain relevant. If they manage to remain relevant and successful, they may continue to support MeeGo into the future. This is a better future than one where Nokia ceases to exist at all.

Basically, you're all stupid.

[jo21]

Alternately, we're impressed by different things. If you're going to shitstir at least do a decent job of it.



I'd like you to give me 3 direct quotes from Stephen Elop that badmouth MeeGo. Until you do, your argument has no merit and you should probably just stop talking.

Something all the FOSStards around here seem to continually forget is that Nokia is a company. Companies - believe it or not - exist to make profit. Companies also traditionally have better resources for deciding what will make them the most profit than neckbeards living in their parent's basements. Nokia have sided with WP7 because it is the most likely way for them to remain relevant. If they manage to remain relevant and successful, they may continue to support MeeGo into the future. This is a better future than one where Nokia ceases to exist at all.

Basically, you're all stupid.

careful danramos likes to troll, and then report you for noticing =).

he probably got mad cuz i said he have sand in his vagina, first person didnt get south part reference to getting irritated

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/152613/holy-****

[Icarus(minus)mad]

I'm getting one.
GPU is bit outdated but the rest of the phone is solid.
I'll be keeping my N900 around as well, probably doing mostly everything apart from web browsing and the actual phoning which my N9 will handle.

[jo21]

I'm getting one.
GPU is bit outdated but the rest of the phone is solid.
I'll be keeping my N900 around as well, probably doing mostly everything apart from web browsing and the actual phoning which my N9 will handle.

it can play HD video and multitask... android/iOS/WP7 barely can multitask.

[Icarus(minus)mad]

it can play HD video and multitask... android/iOS/WP7 barely can multitask.

They multitask well in their own ways, WP7 and WebOS probably have the best out of them but still not as well as the N900.
The N9 has what the N900 was missing for even better multitasking, lots of RAM.

And yeah HD video is a bonus, so smooth.

[gerbick]

Oh and twin troll's back it at

Who are the twin trolls?

[gerbick]

Ya, it's nice to play videos via HDMI from your device, but if i ever feel the need to, i'll just get a micro-usb adapter, copy the video to a flash drive, & plug directly into my Samsung lcd. It plays ANYTHING.

I hate to nitpick, but that would mean purchasing:
microUSB adapter
flash drive
Samsung LCD (or any LCD that supports flash drives)
Instead of just having one HDMI cable that connects to most any TV or (new) monitor that supports HDMI.

I fail to see the convenience.

[Soppa]

careful danramos likes to troll, and then report you for noticing =).

he probably got mad cuz i said he have sand in his vagina, first person didnt get south part reference to getting irritated

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/152613/holy-****

I'd just use the ignore function, either the one built-in the forums, or the one you possibly have built-in to your head.

[Kozzi]

and having HDMI doesn't mean you need to take the miniHDMI-HDMI adapter, HDMI cable and having an LCD TV with free slot ? With your logic I think the current TV-out is better, you have to carry only 1 adapter and almost any TV on earth have composite TV-in.

[gerbick]

and having HDMI doesn't mean you need to take the miniHDMI-HDMI adapter, HDMI cable and having an LCD TV with free slot ? With your logic I think the current TV-out is better, you have to carry only 1 adapter and almost any TV on earth have composite TV-in.

No, I said what I meant. I have a Motorola Atrix, it came with this cable (http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Standard-HDMI-Cable-DROID/dp/B00462QTA8) that goes from the miniHDMI port to HDMI in one cable.

Really convenient. Whereas I don't always have access (personally) to composite video (for presentations for instance)

[mooglez]

and having HDMI doesn't mean you need to take the miniHDMI-HDMI adapter, HDMI cable and having an LCD TV with free slot ? With your logic I think the current TV-out is better, you have to carry only 1 adapter and almost any TV on earth have composite TV-in.

You seem quite stuck inside a box, unable to think of use cases for others.

Here's a use case from a business travelers PoV.

I carry a laptop around with me, with all the spare batteries, accessories and cables, it is a pretty heavy package.

if the N9 had an HDMI out, I could in most cases replace the laptop fully with the N9, and instead carry with me N9, mHDMI <> HDMI cable, foldable bluetooth keyboard & mouse.

This would save me up to 5KG of carry on luggage!

All the work data that I need with me can either be on device, or a VPN connection away on corporate LAN.
RDP works just fine for remote connecting to my desktop PC
Presentation? Just plug it into the projector.

For entertainment, I can then playback music / movies / series / whatever to the TV, and not be stuck with what they are offering on the hotel PayTV

for me, the convenience factor would be insane.

A composite or svideo out will just not cut it, as the picture quality is too poor to work with, this is what makes me unable to do the above with N900 :(

[aironeous]

@keflex I think the issue here is that Elop's reality is that windows is safe and stable and the way to go and any pretense he has made to justify switching over to it is just that, a pretense.
The proof is that we have the N9 and they could be making 3 more harmattan handsets right now then in 2 years they just transfer their proprietary ux to full meego.

[ysss]

Basically, you're all stupid.

Na na naaa... A CHALLENGER APPEARS!!

[lma]

Something all the FOSStards around here seem to continually forget is that Nokia is a company. Companies - believe it or not - exist to make profit.


Someone should tell their board that.

Companies also traditionally have better resources for deciding what will make them the most profit than neckbeards living in their parent's basements.


You'd think, but let's see the Q2 results on the 21st.

[ysss]

@keflex I think the issue here is that Elop's reality is that windows is safe and stable and the way to go and any pretense he has made to justify switching over to it is just that, a pretense.
The proof is that we have the N9 and they could be making 3 more harmattan handsets right now then in 2 years they just transfer their proprietary ux to full meego.

The reality is that "Microsoft" or "Windows" anything is infinitely more sellable than a "MeeGo" this or a "Harmattan" that...

....and that our priorities and values are wholly different than a regular Joe's, when we assess smartphones/pocketable computers.

We are not a big enough market to sustain Nokia.

[zymo]

A bunch of Nokia N9 photo samples at flickr

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nominaali/5902407760/in/photostream/

[jo21]

The reality is that "Microsoft" or "Windows" anything is infinitely more sellable than a "MeeGo" this or a "Harmattan" that...

....and that our priorities and values are wholly different than a regular Joe's, when we assess smartphones/pocketable computers.

We are not a big enough market to sustain Nokia.

but windows phone 7 doesnt sell, it have poor sales.

[steveburczymucha]

The reality is that "Microsoft" or "Windows" anything is infinitely more sellable than a "MeeGo" this or a "Harmattan" that...

....and that our priorities and values are wholly different than a regular Joe's, when we assess smartphones/pocketable computers.

We are not a big enough market to sustain Nokia.

Frankly speaking I think that's the matter of proper marketing activities. Just look at the iphone case. Or droids. And general perception. Regular Joe visits engadged, arstechnica before buy and when he sees that it is innovative product then goes for it...

[Kozzi]

You seem quite stuck inside a box, unable to think of use cases for others.

[...]

if the N9 had an HDMI out, I could in most cases replace the laptop fully with the N9, and instead carry with me N9, mHDMI <> HDMI cable, foldable bluetooth keyboard & mouse.

This would save me up to 5KG of carry on luggage!

[...]

A composite or svideo out will just not cut it, as the picture quality is too poor to work with, this is what makes me unable to do the above with N900 :(

My reply was toward gerbick about convenience of having to do extra purchasing to take advance of the method posted by scapegoat845 (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1043438#post1043438) . Why exactly do you say that I'm "stuck inside a box", if HDMI is something important to you and can't live without then sorry the N9 doesn't have HDMI, but here we can discuss about how else we can use other functions to replace it. For instance my usage can be replaced using DLNA (betalabs Play To, which scans automatically for devices and one tap to play, of course if they release it for N9) or microUSB-USB to LCD TV/PC/Media Player (Boxee box, popcorn...).

ps. I'm an average user, I don't use my phone to replace my laptop, each has it own purpose.

[rcolistete]

Hi,
Nokia N9 is oficially present in the products page of Nokia.Br (Brazil) :
http://www.nokia.com.br/produtos/celulares/nokia-n9
Brazil was not listed in the Nokia N9 web page, so I think that list of countries does not say UK, EUA, France, etc, will not have Nokia N9.
To promote Meego :
- even if I don't want a touch device like a N9, I will suggest the N9 to some friends;
- I will release some softwares (in Qt) to MeeGo (Harmattan, etc).
Best regards,
Roberto

[Jedibeeftrix]

I had some concerns, mainly Adobe Digital Editions and Kindle support, since I read a lot on the phone,

this is my concern, particularly digitial editions, as i would love to read kobo e-books on the N9.

[mooglez]

My reply was toward gerbick about convenience of having to do extra purchasing to take advance of the method posted by scapegoat845 (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1043438#post1043438) .

Why exactly do you say that I'm "stuck inside a box",

My apologies, I thought you were the guy who has been promoting Samsung TV's as the solution throughout this thread.

[Verythrax]

Hi,
Nokia N9 is oficially present in the products page of Nokia.Br (Brazil) :
http://www.nokia.com.br/produtos/celulares/nokia-n9
Brazil was not listed in the Nokia N9 web page, so I think that list of countries does not say UK, EUA, France, etc, will not have Nokia N9.
To promote Meego :
- even if I don't want a touch device like a N9, I will suggest the N9 to some friends;
- I will release some softwares (in Qt) to MeeGo (Harmattan, etc).
Best regards,
Roberto

AWESOME!

10 char

[shady]

I hate to nitpick, but that would mean purchasing:
microUSB adapter
flash drive
Samsung LCD (or any LCD that supports flash drives)
Instead of just having one HDMI cable that connects to most any TV or (new) monitor that supports HDMI.

I fail to see the convenience.

dlna ... the same rationalization you had wrt the fmtx and bt you should apply here b.w hdmi and dlna.

its moot, its supported, you can still get hd a/v to your component system.

[marxian]

Na na naaa... A CHALLENGER APPEARS!!

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5738/challenger.png (http://img96.imageshack.us/i/challenger.png/)

[steveburczymucha]

dlna ... the same rationalization you had wrt the fmtx and bt you should apply here b.w hdmi and dlna.

its moot, its supported, you can still get hd a/v to your component system.

but is not that we have dlna framework on N9 but without UI? Is it going to change for final fw version?

[dansus]

For what its worth, i think Elop would like to release the N9 before Nokia World to let the buzz die down so as to focus on WP during NW.

So Sep 23rd would be about right if my theory holds water.

[keflex]

Frankly speaking I think that's the matter of proper marketing activities. Just look at the iphone case. Or droids. And general perception. Regular Joe visits engadged, arstechnica before buy and when he sees that it is innovative product then goes for it...

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha no he doesn't, he has no idea Engadget even exists. Try again.

[slaapliedje]

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha no he doesn't, he has no idea Engadget even exists. Try again.

We could only hope that Engadget didn't exist. That page is full of plonkers.

slaapliedje