N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!

[debjitbis08]

Just observed Nokia N9 on Nokia India site, with flash content disabled.

http://www.nokia.co.in/find-products/my-next-nokia (http://www.nokia.co.in/find-products/my-next-nokia)

[ericsson]

We could only hope that Engadget didn't exist. That page is full of plonkers.

slaapliedje

Phatassed pink plonkers to be correct :eek:

[Dave999]

This is most boring waiting thread i ever been in...boring.

[mikecomputing]

There's a lot of reviews out there now. In a nutshell the E6 is in every way like a blend of a swiss army knife and a swiss watch.

It has EDoF. No macro. Anna rox, the best symbian ever. Same functionality and power as before, only faster and smoother. The default browser is OK nothing more, but the new Opera for Anna is excellent, probably the best browser ever produced on any device. I only use Opera. Pics can be sent to any service you have configured, havent tried it yet though. Multitasking is at least as good as the N900.

I havent missed the N900 a single minute, not yet. The keyboard on the E6 is better, it got a dpad, pinch to zoom, much better browser (Opera, the default one needs further improvements). The phone functionality is light years ahead of the N900. It is generally faster and more snappy than the N900. Besides, I get more than enough of linux trying to get that slow whale of an os called MeeGo running on the N900 in anything but snail speed.

In short the E6 rox, it really does.

I would mind buy that phone as nongeekphone but why the **** didnt they include nfc the c7 who is older has it :mad: just another example how stupid thinks nokia seems to do all the time. to me it seems they dont want to wn the fight even in midrange.

[Dave999]

That's right folks they wont sell phones. They want to build phones. But not sell them. Why do you think they closed down nokia store...

[Rauha]

Frankly speaking I think that's the matter of proper marketing activities. Just look at the iphone case. Or droids. And general perception. Regular Joe visits engadged, arstechnica before buy and when he sees that it is innovative product then goes for it...


I doubt that Regular Joe has ever even heard of Arstechnica.com. He propably associates the name to a better than average anal sex website with really limber models and fancy toys.

[ericsson]

I would mind buy that phone as nongeekphone but why the **** didnt they include nfc the c7 who is older has it :mad: just another example how stupid thinks nokia seems to do all the time. to me it seems they dont want to wn the fight even in midrange.

Nokia is used to competing with itself. Every single phone from Nokia is a compromise of adding/not adding features so that the particular model does not compete too much with another model. When you rule the world, this is all fine, but the world has changed, Nokia has not. They are still competing with themselves (WP vs MeeGo, N8 vs E7 vs E6 vs C7) when thy should compete with Samsung, Apple, LG, ZTE, Huawei, SE, HTC and so on. It is amazing really, even now they still don't get it, they simply refuse to accept that they have to change attitude and product release philosophy.

Having said that, the E6 is superb, believe me. nfc is a white elephant at least until 2015-2016. Today it can be used to turn on bt load speakers - so what. EDoF is not that bad, the general picture quality is excellent, but macro suffers, but it's still doable. The screen is excellent, the keyboard is the best there is and so on. It is packed with functionality. There is nothing out there that can match the overall usability except the N950, but that one is not available as we all know. Maybe this shows the sad state of phones right now, rather than the excellence of the E6, but that doesn't really matter.

If you can live without a Linux kernel, the E6 is definitely a step up from the N900.

On a side note, I've had enough of the snailish MeeGo for now. I have to try the community SS or whatever it's called just to see if that is equally overhyped.

[zymo]

Nokia N9 will be supported for "YEARS!"

to good to be true?

https://twitter.com/klasstrom/status/88305439988662272

[casper27]

Nokia N9 will be supported for "YEARS!"

to good to be true?

https://twitter.com/klasstrom/status/88305439988662272

Well that is good news, he is a Product manager. Lets hope its true.:)

[Dave999]

Support is one thing. SUPPORT is another thing.

[shallimus]

Support is one thing. SUPPORT is another thing.
So constantly complaining != CONSTANTLY COMPLAINING...?

A few selections from your contributions to this thread in the last 5 days:

That's right folks they wont sell phones. They want to build phones. But not sell them. Why do you think they closed down nokia store...
You will regret it as soon as you see the menu :D
If that is the case for the n9 its really lame...
This is most boring waiting thread i ever been in...boring.

[Dave999]

Yeah that looks like me. That is not my best statements. But if you think that is my top 4 it's ok . I will leave this page in about 135 thanks. I hope it don't takes to long.

[blipnl]

Yeah that looks like me. That is not my best statements. But if you think that is my top 4 it's ok . I will leave this page in about 135 thanks. I hope it don't takes to long.

If I were you I would not wait that long


.. or stick to chuck norris jokes ;)

[ysss]

Nokia N9 will be supported for "YEARS!"

to good to be true?

https://twitter.com/klasstrom/status/88305439988662272

Well that is good news, he is a Product manager. Lets hope its true.:)

Will he be there for YEARS to make sure of that claim though?

[Dave999]

I have been here so long so I have heard all the chuck Norris jokes twice an still loves them. But I guess I can hear them one last time before I leave. Nokia is dead. Keyboard phones are dead, N9 is soon to be dead.

I have to create at least 24 goodbye threads before I go...

The n900 still going strong though

[chase15]

Nokia to support n9 for "years"
this is a good news for those who will get n9 when it comes out... :)

http://thehandheldblog.com/2011/07/06/nokia-n9-updates/

[Dave999]

Nokia to support n9 for "years"
this is a good news for those who will get n9 when it comes out... :)

http://thehandheldblog.com/2011/07/06/nokia-n9-updates/

Anyone really ganna do that?

Ohh...I'm on fire...

[chase15]

Anyone really ganna do that?

Ohh...I'm on fire...

as they saying for "years" even it is just 2 yrs.. it is already reasonable to own this phone since I get new phone every 2-3 yrs.. some folks does it every year.. since it is already running smoothly based on hands-on videos from youtube.. i think the "several updates" would be enough.. hope they'll keep their words tho..

[ysss]

but windows phone 7 doesnt sell, it have poor sales.

Does it sell even worse than maemo based handset(s)?

Frankly speaking I think that's the matter of proper marketing activities. Just look at the iphone case. Or droids. And general perception. Regular Joe visits engadged, arstechnica before buy and when he sees that it is innovative product then goes for it...

You can run a marketing campaign blitz to push the N9 onto the masses, but I don't think it would 'cling' onto the plebs like the iPhone did, cause:

- It doesn't have the swanky 'Apple' brand/image/logo for them to treat it as a jewelry/status symbol/religious icon.
- It doesn't have a big content store like the iTunes store to populate their devices with constant stream of nonsense.
- It doesn't have as smooth/native hardware ecosystem like Apple does. The iPhone connects and automatically sync craps across and with other devices already in Apple's universe (the desktops, notebooks, other ipods, ipads, and the iwhatnots).

- It's not as well supported by the '3rd parties':

Do you know that the iPhone can connect to special Nike shoes and heart rate monitors to autolog your trainings, log them online and provide with customized and interactive exercises?

Do you know that it can also be used as wireless viewfinder for the Contour series of very portable HD cams?

Do you know that it can be used as a bloodpressure monitor and weight log/grapher with Withings devices?

etc.

Different priorities, different interests; all of which are required to sustain real products.

The 'real' product universe runs on money. You can't just throw time, interest and effort like the codes on FOSSworld.

[gerbick]

dlna ... the same rationalization you had wrt the fmtx and bt you should apply here b.w hdmi and dlna.

its moot, its supported, you can still get hd a/v to your component system.

Ever tried DLNA when your phone is on one public accessible network and the device you need is on the locked down corporate one?

Yeah. Been there. Done that.

The idea that the lack of HDMI is a moot point only is so when/if you've accepted the fact that most other companies and other offerings, N8 inclusive, have it whereas the newer N9 does not.

Yet another bad decision, imho.

[gerbick]

but windows phone 7 doesnt sell, it have poor sales.

At least Microsoft admitted to their sales. Let's see Nokia do the same for the N900.

Willing to bet it was lower than the WP7 phones.

[jo21]

Does it sell even worse than maemo based handset(s)?



You can run a marketing campaign blitz to push the N9 onto the masses, but I don't think it would 'cling' onto the plebs like the iPhone did, cause:

- It doesn't have the swanky 'Apple' brand/image/logo for them to treat it as a jewelry/status symbol/religious icon.
- It doesn't have a big content store like the iTunes store to populate their devices with constant stream of nonsense.
- It doesn't have as smooth/native hardware ecosystem like Apple does. The iPhone connects and automatically sync craps across and with other devices already in Apple's universe (the desktops, notebooks, other ipods, ipads, and the iwhatnots).

- It's not as well supported by the '3rd parties':

Do you know that the iPhone can connect to special Nike shoes and heart rate monitors to autolog your trainings, log them online and provide with customized and interactive exercises?

Do you know that it can also be used as wireless viewfinder for the Contour series of very portable HD cams?

Do you know that it can be used as a bloodpressure monitor and weight log/grapher with Withings devices?

etc.

Different priorities, different interests; all of which are required to sustain real products.

The 'real' product universe runs on money. You can't just throw time, interest and effort like the codes on FOSSworld.

only number we have 600,000

WP7 shipments were 1.6m q1 between samsung, LG, asus, dell, HTC.

so i would say yes. they are terrible.
at @gerick Microsoft "said" they had "shipments" of 2m on Q4, and probably didn't sold half that.
eldar marks around 600k-700k sold to consumers.

sales are so bad operators are giving samsung focus and many phone like HTC HD 7 for free.
eldar marks sales around 700

[gerbick]

only number we have 600,000

Where did you get that number? I've had this "answered" in the past, but that number wasn't "definite". Just curious.

[keflex]

eldar

Stopped reading here.

Anyway, I could see Nokia getting a whole lot of traction with N9 marketing through a "Return of the King"-type campaign. One of the things that's been mentioned by Nokia when discussing the N9 is the amount of former Nokia users who like it enough to make the switch back. Makes a whole lot of sense to play on that idea.

[FranzDages]

I've been trying to keep up with all the hype on the N9, and I think I'll probably give it a shot when it becomes available assuming it's not priced at some obscene amount. What I'm wondering is whether anyone knows of any other Meego phone coming in the immediate future. There have been plenty of mentions of other companies working on a Meego phone, but nothing that I've seen of any possible release dates.

[dansus]

I think the responce to the N9 will make some people look up and take notice of Meego, but i wouldnt expect anything for 12 months. Likewise Nokia may bring out another device in 12 months, its still early days in the game and things could change. Positive sales and good feed back to Harmattan UI combined with a souring of the relationship with MS could lead the board to quietly push Meego development.

If other manufacturers catch wind of this, it may spur them on more.

[gerbick]

I think the responce to the N9 will make some people look up and take notice of Meego.

People are already talking about MeeGo, but they're in OEM circles. As far as it goes, this really isn't "true" MeeGo, but that means not much really since this is Harmattan on top of MeeGo 1.2.

Until other handsets come out with MeeGo on it, then this is "it" for quite a while. Too bad it has so much controversy surrounding it (read: Elop).

[dansus]

People are already talking about MeeGo, but they're in OEM circles.

Yes, OEM's and brands. They will see that a powerful UI can be built on it, more importantly, it can be unique with a central app environment.

[Dave999]

I think the responce to the N9 will make some people look up and take notice of Meego, but i wouldnt expect anything for 12 months. Likewise Nokia may bring out another device in 12 months, its still early days in the game and things could change. Positive sales and good feed back to Harmattan UI combined with a souring of the relationship with MS could lead the board to quietly push Meego development.

If other manufacturers catch wind of this, it may spur them on more.

This would be nice. Another meego device would be great. But for now, I'm running around on the dark side and showing my disappointment. A series of devices would have get nokia back on track...

[Rugoz]

I think the responce to the N9 will make some people look up and take notice of Meego, but i wouldnt expect anything for 12 months. Likewise Nokia may bring out another device in 12 months, its still early days in the game and things could change. Positive sales and good feed back to Harmattan UI combined with a souring of the relationship with MS could lead the board to quietly push Meego development.

If other manufacturers catch wind of this, it may spur them on more.


I think for nokia the n9 is not really about meego. Its what you can do with Qt on top of any OS. That is why I actually believe them when they say there will be software updates and new features, because it probably can all be done in Qt.

[bbin]

I think for nokia the n9 is not really about meego. Its what you can do with Qt on top of any OS. That is why I actually believe them when they say there will be software updates and new features, because it probably can all be done in Qt.

This is exactly how I see it. "Meego" core doesn't mean anything to Nokia anymore. It is all about Qt.

[erendorn]

This is exactly how I see it. "Meego" core doesn't mean anything to Nokia anymore. It is all about Qt.

But I still find it very nonsensical that Qt won't be ported to WP7.
It would bring transition between Symbian and WP (good for nokia and Microsoft), homogeneity as first planned in Nokia portfolio, would instill confidence in investors and developpers, and incidently would support MeeGo with the potential ports (good for us). Such a win-win situation, and still won't happen :confused: .

[OVK]

But I still find it very nonsensical that Qt won't be ported to WP7.
It would bring transition between Symbian and WP (good for nokia and Microsoft), homogeneity as first planned in Nokia portfolio, would instill confidence in investors and developpers, and incidently would support MeeGo with the potential ports (good for us). Such a win-win situation, and still won't happen :confused: .

Yes, I don't get it either.

Current Nokia strategy in a nutshell:

1. Reach for "The next billion" with dumbphones (S40 that will get Qt, maybe it will even get Swipe UI that is Qt based)
2. Smart Phones (WP7, no Qt here)
3. Future disruptions that feed material to Smart Phones (Qt is here)

For me it seems obvious that number 2. is missing something essential if Nokia wants that the people atracted by number 1 would later move to number 2. And number 3 can't feed anything (software wise, hardware is of course different matter) to number 2 because the technologies are incompatible.

I just don't get the rationale behind that. And that is why I am currently not a Nokia shareholder and also will not be before this starts to make any sense.

[Rugoz]

I just don't get the rationale behind that.


They want to see their services on as many phones out there as possible. For google android itself does not really matter, its about their services on top of it.

Other handset manufacturers are reluctant to make meego phones, because nokia is behind. They rather use android or wp7.
So essentially nokia thinks with Meego the reach of their services will be limited, while with wp7 (and other microsoft products like tablets, bing maps) the number of users will be far bigger.

You must realize that the nokia board is obsessed with services, they neglected other things like dev. tools and UI for years and concentrated their resources on ovi crap. The only two products which survived the process were maps and music.

There is a rationale behind it, but I don't agree with their strategy at all. Do they want to survive on location based services?

[Verythrax]

Yes, I don't get it either.

Current Nokia strategy in a nutshell:

1. Reach for "The next billion" with dumbphones (S40 that will get Qt, maybe it will even get Swipe UI that is Qt based)
2. Smart Phones (WP7, no Qt here)
3. Future disruptions that feed material to Smart Phones (Qt is here)

For me it seems obvious that number 2. is missing something essential if Nokia wants that the people atracted by number 1 would later move to number 2. And number 3 can't feed anything (software wise, hardware is of course different matter) to number 2 because the technologies are incompatible.

I just don't get the rationale behind that. And that is why I am currently not a Nokia shareholder and also will not be before this starts to make any sense.

Isn't the 1st item a repagination of that idea of bringing smartphones for the lower end?

Before, the strategy was to make S60 go down the spectrum and replace S40, while Maemo/MeeGo whould take the mid-high end.

Now, if I understood the "next billion" strategy correctly, they are canning S60 and making S40 more "smartphone"-like, with Qt, webapps, maps and multitasking..

[OVK]

Isn't the 1st item a repagination of that idea of bringing smartphones for the lower end?

Before, the strategy was to make S60 go down the spectrum and replace S40, while Maemo/MeeGo whould take the mid-high end.

Now, if I understood the "next billion" strategy correctly, they are canning S60 and making S40 more "smartphone"-like, with Qt, webapps, maps and multitasking..

Yeah. But I still don't see where the WP7 (without Qt) fits in the big picture.

[Verythrax]

Yeah. But I still don't see where the WP7 (without Qt) fits in the big picture.

It's more a residual effect. Before, with Maemo/MeeGo in the bigger picture, Qt made more sense because it would promote easy porting between it and S40/60, providing a strong ecosystem. The Nokia's plan was to get rid of the dumbphoes, being the leading company is doing that, and creating their "vision" of connectivity in the future. But Symbian was behind the schedule, and you all know the rest of the story.

Now, with Elop, WP7 entered late to the picture, and Qt doesn't make much sense with it, cause the original Qt strategy didn't considered WP7 in first place. But Nokia will not abandon Qt yet cause it still plays a major role in the strategy (next billion, disruption, incubated MeeGo dev, S60 support to 2016), despite losing one of the may point of having it in the first place (compatibility).

I believe we will see something about Qt on WP7 in the future, if it doesn't sink first. maybe it's one of the "privileges" that Nokia got from MS?

[jalyst]

While I of course can't tell you any internals, I will say that nothing fishy is going on and in all likelyhood the N9 will be out when it's ready.
Even if Elop would be a trojan or the devil in person, he would have to be quite stupid to try any foulplay, when quite a few disgruntled devs wouldn't hesitate to call him out on that. From what I can tell though, Nokia management wants the N9 to succeed like the rest of us (aside from Dave and danramos :p).

I'll find it hard to believe that nothing fishy's going on if it's still not available anywhere in the world by the end-of-Sept.
But as you say, maybe by then some disgruntled devs will call him out, if it gets to that, or maybe they won't...

Just curious: what about WP7 makes you want to spend money on it? Follow-up: what makes a non-Nokia WP7 phone more attractive than a Nokia MeeGo phone (even if the N9 is delayed)?

1) I don't like to rule out any platform out until I've actually used it extensively.
2) Try re-reading my prior post :confused:

Why do you respond to it? You're clearly taking me (and probably the N9) far too seriously. heh I came for InternetTabletTalk and ended up being told I should like the N9... why WOULDN'T I want the worst for it? By comparison, the N900 is an incredibly wonderful computer--and I didn't even like that move away from the N8x0 line as it is. Why do *I* check back? Hoping that something running Linux gets released that follows in the Maemo/MeeGo footsteps that I can like. So far, I remain unimpressed. Clearly, you're much easier to impress.

Sigh, I'm not telling you to like anything.
But the tone of your posts 99.99% of the time consist of:
Nokia's ****, the platform's ****, the software's ****, the hardware's ****, yadda yadda.
We get your point... We really do! :)

Why not wait till you have the device in your hands & can compare it directly to other highend's?
Or at least until others can do that thoroughly for us....

Most folks are subscribed to this thread so that they can the obtain the "last pieces" WRT hw/software/availability/pricing.
And then (so long as pricing's not crazy & delivery isn't horridly delayed) they're already sold & ready to start assessing it.

Nothing personal but you don't want to add anything to the thread, other than constantly trying to prove why "it's ****".
I personally just want to find out more about it... but it's a free world I guess! :rolleyes:

Basically, you're all stupid.

Argument won? LOL gold :D

I hate to nitpick, but that would mean purchasing:
microUSB adapter
flash drive
Samsung LCD (or any LCD that supports flash drives)
Instead of just having one HDMI cable that connects to most any TV or (new) monitor that supports HDMI.
I fail to see the convenience.

I personally don't want to use my smartphone as my primary media player.
Other (far better) devices for that purpose...
But it'd still be "nice" to output HD video, particularly since it's very commonplace amongst highend's now.

You seem quite stuck inside a box, unable to think of use cases for others.
Here's a use case from a business travelers PoV.
I carry a laptop around with me, with all the spare batteries, accessories and cables, it is a pretty heavy package.
if the N9 had an HDMI out, I could in most cases replace the laptop fully with the N9, and instead carry with me N9, mHDMI <> HDMI cable, foldable bluetooth keyboard & mouse.
This would save me up to 5KG of carry on luggage!
<SNIP>(

It hasn't yet been ruled-out unequivocally that MHL is implemented or do-able later via the 3.5" or mUSB.
If it's coming or is a possibility, then a HDMI converter cable would be included or attainable for 720p out.

dlna ... the same rationalization you had wrt the fmtx and bt you should apply here b.w hdmi and dlna.
its moot, its supported, you can still get hd a/v to your component system.

I personally don't see how DLNA's the panacea.
And yes while it's likely to be supported it's not clear whether there'll be a decent UI.
Which is important for the "masses", not just nerds like us.

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha no he doesn't, he has no idea Engadget even exists. Try again.

I don't quite agree there....
I've read/watched execs reference Engadget & similar sites quite a few times.
Can't recall where/when now, & CBF'd searching, but they do occasionally.
Point is, I think such sites often have a "big" impact on wider community 'perception'.
Of course we're mainly on the fringes...
We asses device on their overall merits, not based on what popular opinion dictates.
Or at least I'd like to think most of us here do O_o

This is most boring waiting thread i ever been in...boring.

LOL, agreed.

Yeah that looks like me. That is not my best statements. But if you think that is my top 4 it's ok . I will leave this page in about 135 thanks. I hope it don't takes to long.

Added my thanks to help you with your impending departure ;)

Will he be there for YEARS to make sure of that claim though?

Why does he have to be there for years to ensure the claim's carried out? :confused:
He's speaking on behalf of the company, not just saying something he'd like the company to do isn't he?
Of course companies change plans, so as always never an iron-clad guarantee, but better than nothing.

I have been here so long so I have heard all the chuck Norris jokes twice an still loves them. But I guess I can hear them one last time before I leave. Nokia is dead. Keyboard phones are dead, N9 is soon to be dead.
I have to create at least 24 goodbye threads before I go...
The n900 still going strong though
Anyone really ganna do that?
Ohh...I'm on fire...

Epic troll is EPIC :D

<SNIP>The 'real' product universe runs on money. You can't just throw time, interest and effort like the codes on FOSSworld.

Well the opportunity was there to build towards many of the strengths you highlight there WRT the Apple ecos.
Alas it was never really pushed hard....
They never "really" got started with the N900, as it was apparently still a "learning device" & Symbian the golden child.
Still, there's always an option to start somewhere w/a small truly commercial ecosystem for QT/Meego, & build on top of that.
But that's mostly fallen by the wayside now anyway, so there's no point even bothering to argue for it :rolleyes:

Ever tried DLNA when your phone is on one public accessible network and the device you need is on the locked down corporate one?
Yeah. Been there. Done that.
The idea that the lack of HDMI is a moot point only is so when/if you've accepted the fact that most other companies and other offerings, N8 inclusive, have it whereas the newer N9 does not.
Yet another bad decision, imho.

Have to agree, DLNA's not a replacement for 720p video-out.
Handy, but not a replacement.

This would be nice. Another meego device would be great. But for now, I'm running around on the dark side and showing my disappointment. A series of devices would have get nokia back on track...

Aha so your true colours come out!
You really do love maemo/meego :confused: :D

I think for nokia the n9 is not really about meego. Its what you can do with Qt on top of any OS. That is why I actually believe them when they say there will be software updates and new features, because it probably can all be done in Qt.

Yeah I don't really agree with that.
Not while Microsoft is not allowing the use of QT on WP.

But I still find it very nonsensical that Qt won't be ported to WP7.
It would bring transition between Symbian and WP (good for nokia and Microsoft), homogeneity as first planned in Nokia portfolio, would instill confidence in investors and developpers, and incidently would support MeeGo with the potential ports (good for us). Such a win-win situation, and still won't happen :confused: .

^This, fair for both of them...

The leviathan is coming :(
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/07/report-apple-sends-15-million-iphone-order-to-taiwan-based-manufacturer.ars

[casper27]

Wow jalyst responded to every person in the entire thread at once, well done :)

[Dave999]

I just don't like nokia anymore. I have my days as a troll and other days when I'm in good mood and a contributer to this community. It's like Dr jekyll and Mr hyde...

[jalyst]

^Ehehehe, I kinda like the guy, cracks me up.
TBH I'm yet to see any real contribution as such.
In fairness though, I may have missed it... :)

I'm switching to weekly emails for this thread.
Need to get my life back, happy speculating everyone :D

[hayman]

Good news
the belgium nokia site show the N9 and it's not in the list of availability...
hope will come in August

[dtergens]

A good news for Meego OS & N9 sales ? :D

http://twitter.com/#!/nokia/status/88547739448782849

@Nokia : The first volume shipments for Nokia phone with Windows Phone OS are expected that start early next year.

[scapegoat845]

I hate to nitpick, but that would mean purchasing:
microUSB adapter
flash drive
Samsung LCD (or any LCD that supports flash drives)
Instead of just having one HDMI cable that connects to most any TV or (new) monitor that supports HDMI.

I fail to see the convenience.

I agree that HDMI is A LOT more convenient, but that's my setup already. Samsung Lcd's & flash drives to play content. I don't really plan on using my mobile device as a driver for content anyways. No worries ....

[danramos]

Sigh, I'm not telling you to like anything.
But the tone of your posts 99.99% of the time consist of:
Nokia's ****, the platform's ****, the software's ****, the hardware's ****, yadda yadda.
We get your point... We really do! :)

Why not wait till you have the device in your hands & can compare it directly to other highend's?
Or at least until others can do that thoroughly for us....

Most folks are subscribed to this thread so that they can the obtain the "last pieces" WRT hw/software/availability/pricing.
And then (so long as pricing's not crazy & delivery isn't horridly delayed) they're already sold & ready to start assessing it.

Nothing personal but you don't want to add anything to the thread, other than constantly trying to prove why "it's ****".
I personally just want to find out more about it... but it's a free world I guess! :rolleyes:

Here's the problem with "getting it in my hands"... I won't buy it based on what I've seen/read so far, I very unlikely to ever see one (thus far, I still haven't even touched an N900 because nobody owns one and you can't find them anywhere anyway, much less the new N9), and there is NO way for me to be able to hold one "in my hands" if there is no Nokia presence in stores. The latter point being one of my biggest criticisms about the degradation of their brand name--hence the negativity to that point. The reviews I've read all sound glowy but yet depressing. None of the things they glow about are particularly interesting to me (or to most of the people I've talked to offline either). I remember everyone here in reality-land being far more impressed with the 770 and the N8x0's than with the N9, although we began to lose a LOT of faith once we owned them and began to deal with the company and realized we weren't getting the awesome whiz-bang device we thought we'd bought and began to get treated badly by the company. So yep--you're going to see a lot of that coming from me until I can see some positive change. I'm just telling it as I see it... and I can't "hold it in my hands" to see it any better and I'm not wasting any more of my own money on Nokia promises, like I did before.

As for finding out more about it and contributing... Maybe it's time you took some of your own advice and stopped trying to criticize me for pointing things out and trying to get a good reason to even consider it. Give me a reason to like it. How about you contribute by asking more questions and pointing out what you like and don't like, and stop picking on me for trying to probe for COMPETENT and COMPELLING features from what this device is supposed to be. So far, it doesn't impress and it doesn't compete very well with other devices out there--even compared to its "predecessor" the N900, except for maybe the AMOLED screen, and I'm seeing fewer reasons to like it. Especially as someone that jumped onboard to the "real Linux experience" I bought into some time ago when I first jumped into this roller coaster. Indeed, though, I suppose it is a free world.

[vegas27]

Here's the problem with "getting it in my hands"... I won't buy it based on what I've seen/read so far, I very unlikely to ever see one (thus far, I still haven't even touched an N900 because nobody owns one and you can't find them anywhere anyway, much less the new N9), and there is NO way for me to be able to hold one "in my hands" if there is no Nokia presence in stores. The latter point being one of my biggest criticisms about the degradation of their brand name--hence the negativity to that point. The reviews I've read all sound glowy but yet depressing. None of the things they glow about are particularly interesting to me (or to most of the people I've talked to offline either). I remember everyone here in reality-land being far more impressed with the 770 and the N8x0's than with the N9, although we began to lose a LOT of faith once we owned them and began to deal with the company and realized we weren't getting the awesome whiz-bang device we thought we'd bought and began to get treated badly by the company. So yep--you're going to see a lot of that coming from me until I can see some positive change. I'm just telling it as I see it... and I can't "hold it in my hands" to see it any better and I'm not wasting any more of my own money on Nokia promises, like I did before.

As for finding out more about it and contributing... Maybe it's time you took some of your own advice and stopped trying to criticize me for pointing things out and trying to get a good reason to even consider it. Give me a reason to like it. How about you contribute by asking more questions and pointing out what you like and don't like, and stop picking on me for trying to probe for COMPETENT and COMPELLING features from what this device is supposed to be. So far, it doesn't impress and it doesn't compete very well with other devices out there--even compared to its "predecessor" the N900, except for maybe the AMOLED screen, and I'm seeing fewer reasons to like it. Especially as someone that jumped onboard to the "real Linux experience" I bought into some time ago when I first jumped into this roller coaster. Indeed, though, I suppose it is a free world.
man all u do is just talk how bad nokia is how maemo sucks compare to android ! this is talk.maemo.org not talk.andorid so quit trolling

[NOMOS]

So far, it doesn't impress and it doesn't compete very well with other devices out there

Why should everyone here try to come up with reasons for you to get this device. If the device does not suit your use case, do not get it. You allege it does not compete well with other devices, which is of course also subjective and based on your personal use cases with this device. So fine, danramos, this is not the device for you.

What do you think you are adding to the discussion about this device by just endlessly repeating that fact over and over again? It is getting old. It is unnecessary. We know it is not the device for you. Fine. We know Nokia has made it very difficult for you to be one of their happy consumers. We all know that. Fine. We know you went with Android, and are happier there. Fine.

Can you now please stop trying to make this thread be about you and just get on with it?

Ontopic: Love what I have seen of the device so far. Vodafone salesguy told me they will carry it in the Netherlands. Seems it will be available in Belgium as well. Austria on all carriers. So my guess is it will be avaialable in other countries that were not listed online. Great news!

[erendorn]

Give me a reason to like it.

Why would anybody care if you like it :confused:

[scapegoat845]

He kinda looks like the Android robot
:D

[Reffyyyy]

man all u do is just talk how bad nokia is how maemo sucks compare to android ! this is talk.maemo.org not talk.andorid so quit trolling

Is there a unified forum like talk.android? I wouldn't mind it becoming my regular.

[vegas27]

Is there a unified forum like talk.android? I wouldn't mind it becoming my regular.
good luck !

[Dave999]

Now, this thread starting to be intressting.

[ericsson]

Ahhh, now it is official as in real fact, the truth, the real thing, no speculations or rumours:

http://www.nokia.no/finn-produkter/produkter

:D My brand new E6 is nice and all buuuuut...

[jalyst]

As for finding out more about it and contributing... Maybe it's time you took some of your own advice and stopped trying to criticize me for pointing things out and trying to get a good reason to even consider it. Give me a reason to like it. How about you contribute by asking more questions and pointing out what you like and don't like, and stop picking on me for trying to probe for COMPETENT and COMPELLING features from what this device is supposed to be. So far, it doesn't impress and it doesn't compete very well with other devices out there--even compared to its "predecessor" the N900, except for maybe the AMOLED screen, and I'm seeing fewer reasons to like it.

You think I & others haven't tried already? :confused:
I didn't get any counter-points when I argued against (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1042674#post1042674) some of the things you highlighted.*
Frankly I'm glad I didn't, as I really CBF'd getting into such a time-wasting exercise :)

You have a massive grudge w/Nokia, you've made that clear, so you'll never give-it-up.
There's no convincing you otherwise, so I'm not going to try any more.
So you win... Nokia and the N9 sux, debate over... yay :D
Feel free to continue with the "hate-fest" as much as you want. :p

Most of us will just wait for the "dribs & drabs" of facts as they come in.
Unhindered by some kind of hate crusade or political agenda :confused:
We'll make our judgements once we have the device & can compare it to other gear.
Or we'll wait for someone else to do the comparisons for us.

Don't take any of this personally, I just CBF'd continuing with such a pointless debate.

*just one example.

[danramos]

man all u do is just talk how bad nokia is how maemo sucks compare to android ! this is talk.maemo.org not talk.andorid so quit trolling

Why would anybody care if you like it :confused:

You don't have to care. In fact, feel free to make it as unattractive to me as possible. I'm pretty sure that's pretty much all you're able to do with such convincing conversation points like these. Please, go ahead and continue to repeat how bad Maemo is. Sadly, I was looking for progress but I'm not seeing it when you just confirm the negative impressions.

Can you now please stop trying to make this thread be about you and just get on with it?

Until the forum says you have to own one of these devices or that you have to agree to positively love Nokia's devices or platforms, I will probably continue to participate until I've lost all hope for the Maemo/MeeGo platform (as utterly bleak as it's become lately). Iif you don't like reading what I write, then please put on your blinders and live in your blissful ignorance of opposing opinions.

[scapegoat845]

I will probably continue to participate until I've lost all hope for the Maemo/MeeGo platform (as utterly bleak as it's become lately). Iif you don't like reading what I write, then please put on your blinders and live in your blissful ignorance of opposing opinions.

YOU still have hope ? Lol

[Reffyyyy]

good luck !

I can like both platforms, can't I? I realise the strengths and weaknesses of both.

I'd just like a populated forum with general Android discussion. Modaco is dandy for specific Vega discussion, but lacks certain discussion of general Android applications.

[NOMOS]

Until the forum says you have to own one of these devices or that you have to agree to positively love Nokia's devices or platforms, I will probably continue to participate until I've lost all hope for the Maemo/MeeGo platform (as utterly bleak as it's become lately). Iif you don't like reading what I write, then please put on your blinders and live in your blissful ignorance of opposing opinions.

Did you even read what I wrote? You are highly welcome to discuss and dislike the device, obviously, but it seems you don't really want to discuss it, just repeat your own disappointment, which really does not further the discussion, does not tell us anything new, nor do your points add anything else, since you are repeating yourself, continuously.

Few questions:
1 Is there any thing that you do like about the N9?
2 Can you imagine that people that just want Fb, twitter, Skype, maps a webbrowser and a sleek interface be happy with this device? (I can)
3 What if real MeeGo iso Harmattan would run on the N9, due to the community, would you like it any better?
4 Are you of the opinion that the raw specs of e.g. the Galaxy S2 would mean that users should steer clear of the N9, even if the UI and apps were to perform perfectly fine on the device?

[danramos]

YOU still have hope ? Lol

As thin as a sliver as that hope has become, it's still there. Nokia COULD fire Elop, it COULD re-focus its direction and it MIGHT renew its interest in, what I consider to be it's truly last hope, MeeGo. I remain here to watch and wait with abated breath, although I strongly suspect I'll turn blue and die before that happens. I'll just wait and see, then.

I can like both platforms, can't I? I realise the strengths and weaknesses of both.

I'd just like a populated forum with general Android discussion. Modaco is dandy for specific Vega discussion, but lacks certain discussion of general Android applications.

Thank you, ye of like mind. Just because I don't like what Nokia is doing and has released, doesn't mean I dislike what they HAD and still COULD HAVE. I just think they're pissing all over their brand and what their engineers had worked so hard to design and create. Likewise, I don't think it's fair to themselves and to their customers to pretend that Nokia makes the best things ever and to stop competing. Especially in the face of customer opinion and market share that speaks otherwise. I would LIKE to see Nokia ask their customers more questions and find out why they would consider competing products or why they stopped buying Nokia, but I get the sense that they believe they know better than their own customers. This hubris is part of their problem.

[mikecomputing]

N9 and Meego Harmattan is pissing on Android, Wp7 and IOS thats why Android geeks is affraid now.

Btw I heard Elop/Ballmer is pissing in they'r painties every night cause theyr are affraid getting fired.

Meego Harmattan RULES :D

[mikecomputing]

Yeah. But I still don't see where the WP7 (without Qt) fits in the big picture.

It may change. I think Micro**** IS intrested in QtWebkit and maybe also QtQuick but not the C++ API.....

This doesnt mean it will go closed source cause THAT will not be possible. But some of the Qt technology may infacts intrests Microsoft too.

[danramos]

Did you even read what I wrote? You are highly welcome to discuss and dislike the device, obviously, but it seems you don't really want to discuss it, just repeat your own disappointment, which really does not further the discussion, does not tell us anything new, nor do your points add anything else, since you are repeating yourself, continuously.

Few questions:
1 Is there any thing that you do like about the N9?
2 Can you imagine that people that just want Fb, twitter, Skype, maps a webbrowser and a sleek interface be happy with this device? (I can)
3 What if real MeeGo iso Harmattan would run on the N9, due to the community, would you like it any better?
4 Are you of the opinion that the raw specs of e.g. the Galaxy S2 would mean that users should steer clear of the N9, even if the UI and apps were to perform perfectly fine on the device?

I'll remind you that I've answered them or pointed them out elsewhere before. Also, kudos for asking the good questions that Nokia should be asking its fans/customers/developers/hackers. :) It's a shame they don't ask questions like these themselves and get it from more than just one curmudgeon like myself, as much as I value my own opinion there are far too many people out there with far more money and interest in purchasing a new device.

1) Yes, of course--I pointed out that I am glad they used a really attractive and power-saving AMOLED screen. Debatable is whether it was good or bad to lose the hardware keyboard (I personally prefer NOT to have a keyboard, so that's another point in my court), but a good keyboard MIGHT make it attractive even to me. Debatable again is the capacative screen--but I think I prefer the much more accurate stylus resistive screens with pressure sensitivity and everything else that comes with that, especially as I and others I talk to do sometimes use these portable devices for everything from signatures to artwork. I VERY much dislike the increasingly closed UI/OS over the N900, over the N8x0, etc., I VERY much dislike the move away from a desktop experience--which was one of the biggest differentiators between Nokia's Maemo devices in the past from their competition... this WAS a grown-up's device, not just another ME TOO iPhone competitor. I would have liked a bigger screen but I could give or take that if everything else was better. There you go--take some good and take some bad.

2) I can imagine them being just as happy or happier on any other device doing those same things, too--with OFFICIAL and better supported applications. What's the advantage here?

3) Yes. This would influence me very positively, since I'm not ENTIRELY happy with MeeGo yet but I like its direction greatly--especially if I can swap out all the closed-source with open to suit my own needs and it can suit everyone else with the closed, if they so choose. Maemo/Harmattan has turned into a sour project with this release.

4) Not necessarily--but I think Nokia has damaged their own brand and their customer experience enough to make pure hardware specs far less relevant. Their ecosystem is damaged (i.e. OviStore is ruined, Symbian as an OS is ruined for support, same for Maemo), their hardware is so-so (competition runs the entire gamut from poor and cheap, to expensive and still affordable , to fancy and expensive--and they keep putting out newer and more interesting devices month after month, not one-a-year) and most of their competition are featured in stores where you can physically walk in and immediately walk out with a repaired or replaced device the same day and you get to talk face-to-face and at LEAST walk out with paperwork to show that they are working on the device if you must leave it overnight. The Nokia experience has been, at least here in the US and it seems all across the continent, utterly frustrating and you have to have a LOT of faith in many moving parts (mail delivery, Nokia repair, whether they have parts, whether it ships back okay, etc.). I'm not sure that competing on raw hardware specs alone is enough anymore. Not everybody likes or will like the Samsung G2, but you bet your [adjective] [body part] that they can at least walk back into the store even an hour later, a week later, MONTHS later and hands-on touch, feel and buy something else they CAN like all in the same hour, much less day even if it costs some money to do so (and it usually doesn't).

[danramos]

N9 and Meego Harmattan is pissing on Android, Wp7 and IOS thats why Android geeks is affraid now.

Looking at all those graphs I showed earlier, Nokia isn't exactly in any position to piss up on anyone else--they're far more likely to end up pissing all over themselves trying.

Btw I heard Elop/Ballmer is pissing in they'r painties every night cause theyr are affraid getting fired.

Really? That's not what I heard.
Listen to the audio clip with the reporter asking him what he thinks about the rumors that Steve Balmer needs to go:
http://www.geekwire.com/2011/steve-ballmer

I suspect Balmer and Elop are far too well protected within their own bubble and hubris to feel concerned about that.

Meego Harmattan RULES :D

I agree with only half that statement. (take out Harmattan)

[mikecomputing]

I want a tshirt who says:

"Elop you WP platform is burning! Meego Harmattan is your help"

[mikecomputing]

I agree with only half that statement. (take out Harmattan)

You forget that some of the components in harmattan is opensource but not merged back to Meego cause of political reasons (trackerd for syncing etc) and the fact that core Meego 1.2 doesnt even have latest Qt.

So stuff from harmattan IS needed for Meego.

[danramos]

You forget that some of the components in harmattan is opensource but not merged back to Meego cause of political reasons (trackerd for syncing etc) and the fact that core Meego 1.2 doesnt even have latest Qt.

So stuff from harmattan IS needed for Meego.

I didn't forget, but it's certainly worth noting that distinction. Thanks!

[Dave999]

I want a tshirt who says:

"Elop you WP platform is burning! Meego Harmattan is your help"



"Elop is fired 2012. I can't wait"

[danramos]

"Elop is fired 2012. I can't wait"

I wonder if we could sell that on T-shirts all around Finland? I'm sure it'll be a HOT seller amongst the masses of people that were laid off or quit during his reign of power at the company.

[dansus]

Ahh, the joys of ignore lists..

[vegas27]

i dont have to write a bible to prove my point ! you have been trolling for a long time i mean crying ... nokia this , maemo that , if u have nothing nice to say dont say nothing at all ! thank you

[patlak]

I wonder if we could sell that on T-shirts all around Finland? I'm sure it'll be a HOT seller amongst the masses of people that were laid off or quit during his reign of power at the company.

It's gonna be such a HOT seller, so much that all the snow in Finland is gonna melt and flood all of Redmond.

[gerbick]

"Elop is fired 2012. I can't wait"

Depends on Nokia still being around in 2012.

[bsd1101]

you guys saved my ***. That seller that had the n950's no longer a seller, disappeared of the face of the earth with all the items he had. also just watched the video of terminal window and all on n950..........itching for the n9 right now, fingers crossed they bring it over to the US

[smegheadz]

i'd like to remind people of this:


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It's hard enough to get the latest bit of gossip about the n9 without flicking through 50 posts of arguing over wp/android/elop/trolling/harmattan doomed etc.

If you keyboard warriors want to battle each other do it in the right forum/thread. If you want to discuss the N9 thats fine but guys try to keep it within reality, opinions are like A**holes, everyone has 1 but we don't necessarily want to hear someone else's so just because you have an opinion on something doesn't mean you need to keep spamming it.

I've been speaking with a few people about the N9, friends who aren't tech savy mainly and it has had a better response then my n900 so i think it's definitely an improvement on making maemo more mainstream for users while still keeping close to it's roots.

Question. is there anyone developing for the n9 or porting a maemo5 app/game? i'm curious to how it handle's the rootfs and if there could be a problems like with the n900 with apps not being optified.

[gerbick]

I'd like to know if anybody at Nokia, the Maemo community or elsewhere has tried to woo the folks that make OpenFeint and Unity3D.

Frameworks and tools like that are needed.

[Frappacino]

N9 and Meego Harmattan is pissing on Android, Wp7 and IOS thats why Android geeks is affraid now.

Btw I heard Elop/Ballmer is pissing in they'r painties every night cause theyr are affraid getting fired.

Meego Harmattan RULES :D

.... you are WORSE then an Apple Fanboi

... At least Apple Fanboi have product sales to back it up their religion

you are just delusional.

[danramos]

.... you are WORSE then an Apple Fanboi

... At least Apple Fanboi have product sales to back it up their religion

you are just delusional.

I disagree. He's at least a fan of his platform DESPITE the undulating throngs of mindless drones trying to convince him that the only way is the Apple or Android or Blackberry, etc, way. It's good to have fodder for thought, despite the hatorade from the people that think we're too critical. I'm on your side of this, but I don't want the fans to shut up--better to ask them WHY they're so attached and weight it for yourself, despite what you or I may think is puffery. :)

[jo21]

Depends on Nokia still being around in 2012.

they will be sony survived ps3, and its outselling 360 and wii (before last price cut).

and its so profitable they will cut it again on august.

Windows phone may not exist in 2013.

[keflex]

to be honest i'm amazed that you're all giving credence to the opinion of an overweight man who wears hats indoors. the n9 is a device aimed at the consumer market, not the cheeto-eating d&d players market.

[gerbick]

to be honest i'm amazed that you're all giving credence to the opinion of an overweight man who wears hats indoors. the n9 is a device aimed at the consumer market, not the cheeto-eating d&d players market.

Tossing insults now? Dude, the sheer amount of neckbeards that support Maemo is downright scary. Have you seen the pics of pasty skinned, neck beard devs that love these things? If not for code, I'd fear they'd be out there hacking sites for the lulz.

Oh wait...

Neck beards. Just say no.

[ysss]

Pencil protectors, neck beards, cheetos crumbs... and moobs.

They all can be found around the same general area.

[slaapliedje]

Pencil protectors, neck beards, cheetos crumbs... and moobs.

They all can be found around the same general area.

Hey... I shaved my neckbeard!

slaapliedje

[danramos]

to be honest i'm amazed that you're all giving credence to the opinion of an overweight man who wears hats indoors. The n9 is a device aimed at the consumer market, not the cheeto-eating d&d players market.

THERE IS NO MiCHAEL MOORE, ONLY ZUUL!!!

[Frappacino]

to be honest i'm amazed that you're all giving credence to the opinion of an overweight man who wears hats indoors. the n9 is a device aimed at the consumer market, not the cheeto-eating d&d players market.

a "one off" consumer "mass" market phone that does not have Nokia backing for a central app market ...

yea that will work...

[keflex]

glad we agree

[blipnl]

Vodafone salesguy told me they will carry it in the Netherlands. Seems it will be available in Belgium as well. Austria on all carriers. So my guess is it will be avaialable in other countries that were not listed online. Great news!

Great news indeed, if this is true more carriers will certainly carry it considering Nokia's history of carrier exclusivity in Europe. :) My contract's untill december, so I'm hoping to see good deals by then!

[kanishou]

a "one off" consumer "mass" market phone that does not have Nokia backing for a central app market ...

yea that will work...

Yes it will. We currently have...

1) Pundits saying "nobody will buy the N9, that would be stupid"
2) Customers saying "f*ck it, this phone looks cool!"

Will it be at a disadvantage? Obviously. But there are millions of people who buy Symbian devices, or Web OS devices (or hell, the N900), well knowing that these don't offer a competitive app market.

There are still millions of people who buy smartphones and then never (or hardly ever) even install applications. You will find them less hanging on mobile phone forums though...

There are very vocal iPhone users expressing the opinion that apps are overrated, and they want the N9 if it just does the basic things very well.

Even online polls show ridiculous amounts of people who want to buy one. Whether or not they will actually do so, the desire appears to be there. Not all of them are stupid.

A high-end device like the N9 is also more likely to be bought by people who can afford to be disappointed a few years down the line. Not everyone sees their mobile phone as an "investment", for many it is just a luxury good. They want the N9 because it's awesome now, and don't mind to get a new phone (and possibly buy into a new ecosystem) in a few years or even sooner.

There are many people who still like Nokia, but have moved to the iPhone or Android because Nokia did not have anything like the N9 in their portfolio. This austrian guy exactly said specifically that they are addressing such people (and iPhone users in general, who so far are responding _extremely_ positively to the N9).

The Nokia N8 sold about 4 million, the N9 is vastly ahead in customer (and media) interest so far. The N8 has also been running on a "dead" platform.

The app market is not nearly as dead as frequently stated, with the plan being to have a large number of Symbian applications ported and the possibilities of Qt. Working on a Qt port is not going to be wasted effort anytime soon, and porting a Qt Symbian (or other) application to the N9 will only require some UI tweaks.

In other words, there will be applications, high quality applications too. Getting the N9 is not in investment in the future, no. But it still is an investment in the present.

I don't want to convince you, I just don't like the negativity so I give you some arguments for why I think that the N9 may well become a success.

[zymo]

Ontopic: Love what I have seen of the device so far. Vodafone salesguy told me they will carry it in the Netherlands. Seems it will be available in Belgium as well. Austria on all carriers. So my guess is it will be avaialable in other countries that were not listed online. Great news!

That is indeed great news, especially for me considering driving to netherlands takes me 20minutes :D
so if the n9 shouldn’t be released in germany, netherlands will be my salvation!

[Dave999]

Anyone with a n950 or n8. When it comes to nokia maps, how good is the app without 3G connection. is it fast?

I planning to use this when I'm outside of my country. and dont whant to pay the major fee's for data.

[zymo]

Anyone with a n950 or n8. When it comes to nokia maps, how good is the app without 3G connection. is it fast?

I planning to use this when I'm outside of my country. and dont whant to pay the major fee's for data.

I have owned the n8 for some time and i can say that you don’t need 3G connection. Just preload the maps you need to your pc or via wifi to the handset! You can also disable a-gps, but then it takes a bit longer for sat fix (2min).

[Dave999]

I have owned the n8 for some time and i can say that you don’t need 3G connection. Just preload the maps you need to your pc or via wifi to the handset! You can also disable a-gps, but then it takes a bit longer for sat fix (2min).

Ok, but after fix. How the the navigation working? alot of lost connections and so forth?

[Kozzi]

I asked fews pages ago about demo of magnifying glass in text selection, for those who are interested, it's demoed in this video.

Nokia N9 hands on (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjxrRbA17es#t=5m55s)

[marrat]

That is indeed great news, especially for me considering driving to netherlands takes me 20minutes :D
so if the n9 shouldn’t be released in germany, netherlands will be my salvation!

If so, bring one for me, too :D

[BigBadGuber!]

Does anybody know if font sizes can be changed and if this device will provide provisioning for corporate emails?

[zymo]

Ok, but after fix. How the the navigation working? alot of lost connections and so forth?

after having a gps fix, the connection was stable, but i must admit that i've used maps on the n8 2-3 times ( i had to send it back due hardware problems -rebooting).

If so, bring one for me, too :D


No problemo ombre! :D

[BigBadGuber!]

N8 being sold for under 400 at amazon.com.....sad end to NOKIA hopes

[Deaconclgi]

Ok, but after fix. How the the navigation working? alot of lost connections and so forth?

I have never experienced a lost gps signal connection with my n8. Even on my trip to the bahamas where there was NO tmobile service at all, I was still able to locate and navigate with a solid gps signal without a celluar connection. The gps connection stayed strong as we were out at sea as well.

I use Ovi Maps all the time, I have version 3.07 beta with the seperate Drive app, similar ti the N9 Drive ap. It looks better than 3.06 and find results better, has updated maps and voice guidance files and UI. I have my 5 most traveled US states downloaded and ready to go and I fully recommend that if you can find a cheap N8, compared to a similarly feature packed gps unit, buy the N8.

[aironeous]

I have the N8. I only use it as an alarm clock and a fm radio now. I might trade it in to get an E7 or if they allow trade in for the N9. The small screen is annoying and I don't like the user interface and slow cpu. That keeps me from using it. I have a LG G2x now which is a dual core and has Cyanogen mod support so it's going to be hard to go backwards. The only part I miss is the open os and community of maemo. N9 looks pretty well done but like always Nokia low balls us on the processor.
Nokia stocks dropped when Elop announced he wanted to feel safe and secure and go with his former microsoft mommy precisely because of that, Nokia makes phones with lowest possible processor speed and windows phone needs the exact opposite to run.

[NOMOS]

I have the N8. I only use it as an alarm clock and a fm radio now. I might trade it in to get an E7 or if they allow trade in for the N9. The small screen is annoying and I don't like the user interface and slow cpu. That keeps me from using it. I have a LG G2x now which is a dual core and has Cyanogen mod support so it's going to be hard to go backwards. The only part I miss is the open os and community of maemo. N9 looks pretty well done but like always Nokia low balls us on the processor.
Nokia stocks dropped when Elop announced he wanted to feel safe and secure and go with his former microsoft mommy precisely because of that, Nokia makes phones with lowest possible processor speed and windows phone needs the exact opposite to run.


That is not really what is going on is it. The "lowballing" has everything to do with Nokia's very long development cycle, which going with WP7 would shorten by 70%....

[danramos]

That is not really what is going on is it. The "lowballing" has everything to do with Nokia's very long development cycle, which going with WP7 would shorten by 70%....

Why are Android and iOS devices able to develop with far more leading edge hardware within their development cycles? Apple even works on their own whole OS during that same cycle. Android has an open-source community helping (actually helping!) the development in addition to the community of handset manufacturers within that same development cycle, too.

How does Nokia square that with also having an open-source community built around Maemo who WANT to help develop during the development cycle so that they can concentrate on building better hardware?

[tissot]

Why are Android and iOS devices able to develop with far more leading edge hardware within their development cycles?

N9 is the first device running on new OS so it got nothing to do with any hw cycle. Symbian in a other hand has crap long development cycle just by looking at the leaks, release time difference and what Nokia workers have been telling on the amazing internets.

WP being perfect example if it there will be 2-3 Windows Phones released by the end of this year.

[mikecomputing]

Why are Android and iOS devices able to develop with far more leading edge hardware within their development cycles? Apple even works on their own whole OS during that same cycle. Android has an open-source community helping (actually helping!) the development in addition to the community of handset manufacturers within that same development cycle, too.

How does Nokia square that with also having an open-source community built around Maemo who WANT to help develop during the development cycle so that they can concentrate on building better hardware?

yeah and the AndroidOS is optimized for the new hardware? NOT

Even if N9 hw is old I am 100 percet sure it is faster(more optimized and tested) than many new devices with Android even dualcores.

[danramos]

N9 is the first device running on new OS so it got nothing to do with any hw cycle. Symbian in a other hand has crap long development cycle just by looking at the leaks, release time difference and what Nokia workers have been telling on the amazing internets.

WP being perfect example if it there will be 2-3 Windows Phones released by the end of this year.

It's not running a new OS, any more than Gingerbread phones and Honeycomb tablets are running a whole new OS.

yeah and the AndroidOS is optimized for the new hardware? NOT

Even if N9 hw is old I am 100 percet sure it is faster(more optimized and tested) than many new devices with Android even dualcores.

Linux and Android are optimized (and continuously optimized) for new hardware, yes. Individual Android applications don't need to be because they're running on a VM. Perhaps that's what you're confused by. It sounds like it.

[gerbick]

yeah and the AndroidOS is optimized for the new hardware? NOT

Given how many updates are in the future of the phones from Google, optimization isn't a matter of if, it's a matter of when... keep waiting on PR1.4. I'll have Ice Cream after Honeycomb.

Even if N9 hw is old I am 100 percet sure it is faster(more optimized and tested) than many new devices with Android even dualcores.

Then it should cost less. Old *** hardware = cheap *** hardware.

Not the case with Nokia.

[Dave999]

In us all hw is cheap *** hw. I want your prices

[gerbick]

In us all hw is cheap *** hw. I want your prices

It's not cheap here. In the USA, we're still using the archaic system of subsidization - something that nobody else in the world does.

Skews our purchases, keeps us tied to a carrier system that makes very little sense to those in it, let alone those on the outside of it.

[Dave999]

Ok. Computer are very cheap. Thought phones were the same. So the phone is locked to the carrier. That sucks. But still cheap :)

[gerbick]

Ok. Computer are very cheap. Thought phones were the same. So the phone is locked to the carrier. That sucks. But still cheap :)

It's cheap only every two years or so. Otherwise, full prices.

Computers cheaper here? Yeah... that's very true. I always held off buying machines until I was back in the US back in the day.

[danramos]

Ok. Computer are very cheap. Thought phones were the same. So the phone is locked to the carrier. That sucks. But still cheap :)

Ah ah ah.... cheap ****. You forget.

[hayman]

Please post only news about N9
I think most of us don't need to know that andriod is better or iphone...this site cald meamo zo keep it that way,wanna andr or ios check other site,,,
Sorry about that..and thanx for all the news about meego and N9.. I'll buy it,if it has a normal price
Forgive. My bad english

[Dave999]

What's a normal price?

[danramos]

Please post only news about N9
I think most of us don't need to know that andriod is better or iphone...this site cald meamo zo keep it that way,wanna andr or ios check other site,,,
Sorry about that..and thanx for all the news about meego and N9.. I'll buy it,if it has a normal price
Forgive. My bad english

Please remain on topic. I think most of us don't need to know that you're annoyed by related but diverging points of conversation. This site used to be called InternetTabletTalk, now Talk.MAEMO.org but who knows what it'll be called once Maemo is gone--but we don't want to hear you go on about that--we demand that you, instead, remain on-topic and participate in the discussions we are having, closely or loosely bound to the original topic at-hand as they might be. I'll probably pass on buying an N9. It doesn't appear to be for me. I demand another Maemo/MeeGo device. Forgive my excellent English spelling, grammar, punctuation and capitalization. :)

PS - I love you, man. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

[danramos]

What's a normal price?

Has ANYBODY indicated a price for this latest miracle of misfortunes?

[hayman]

400 euro will be fine,,,,

[hayman]

Please remain on topic. I think most of us don't need to know that you're annoyed by related but diverging points of conversation. This site used to be called InternetTabletTalk, now Talk.MAEMO.org but who knows what it'll be called once Maemo is gone--but we don't want to hear you go on about that--we demand that you, instead, remain on-topic and participate in the discussions we are having, closely or loosely bound to the original topic at-hand as they might be. I'll probably pass on buying an N9. It doesn't appear to be for me. I demand another Maemo/MeeGo device. Forgive my excellent English spelling, grammar, punctuation and capitalization. :)

PS - I love you, man. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
Thanx very funny
P.s don't use the word love ....it's make me feel uncomfortabel


Thanx very funny .

[danramos]

400 euro will be fine,,,,

What's that in gold bullions? I don't like piddling exchange rates like paper money. ;) If I were dealing in pictures of dead ex-presidents, I might not be willing to part with more than $200 USD for this pocket sized sliver of mutilated mockery of Maemo's marvelous potential, particularly in contrast to similarly specced hardware new and used.

[danramos]

P.s don't use the word love ....it's make me feel uncomfortabel

It made me feel like a hippie. I don't like that. Don't make me have to use it again. :)

[Dave999]

400 euro will be fine,,,,

Agree. That would be nice. But I'm sure it will be between 500 eur and 600 eur

[hayman]

Agree. That would be nice. But I'm sure it will be between 500 eur and 600 eur

That will be an expensive device with HW like that ,the software untill know very fine...

[nilchak]

Dan
You now have nearly a page full of posts directed againt your ranting (yes I know you call it disagreement and opinion, the rest call it ranting).

Heres the low down - you keep showelling your diasagreements on Nokia's direction and its devices since the N800 on all of us. Now while I may agree with some of your points, I dont keep spewing mya disagreements on and on and on - its just gets boring - even to myself. (So I dont know how you like hearing yourself spewing the same old points time and again).

Now here is what I feel from knowing a bit about what you are looking for - a Linux desktop experience on your mobile device.

You are on the wrong train buddy. That "Linux desktop experience" train departed with the N810.

With the N900 Nokia clearly stated its phone and mobile experience directions and with the N9 it only takes that further to a logical end - a very optimized and intuitive mobile experience. This train aint going to the Linux desktop land.

So instead of staying onboard on this train and screming "I want to go to Linux desktop land" and "I want Nokia to take me there" , why dont you get down and change your train to the one which will take you BACK ?

Now maybe, just maybe its because you can see many trains passing you by, the iOS Mobile experience train, the Android boxed experince in a JAVA VM train, the WM7 mobile experience train which is also trying to shed its desktop destinations after many futile bends and turns, the WebOS very much mobile centric experience train and so on ... and most of the trains you would want to be are not going your way.

Now this is purely my opinion - Its the mobile revolution - dont expect a good intuitive desktop experience on a mobile device - THAT was so 2001.
The only intuitive experience that seems to work (and being proven by the markets - yes the same markets that you swear by) is the mobile intuitive experience on a mobile device.

So good luck with trying to catch that train to your Desktop Linux experience land.

PS : In fact very soon, Apple would be upending the other theory that we held on to and found to be valid so far - that a desktop experience works very well on a desktop like device - with the new Lion OS thats about to change soon.. Yes its will be a slow change to that upending process.

[gerbick]

You are on the wrong train buddy. That "Linux desktop experience" train departed with the N810.

Then why do folks continue to say "it's a portable computer in my pocket"? That in itself skews the expected experience for the casual reader/user.

Let's be honest, a Linux Desktop Experience in our pocket just isn't consumer friendly. Whereas the N9 could be consumer friendly, the missing bits are too blatant to ignore.

Trust me... I get what you're saying. But to say that it didn't disappoint some former fans is overlooking why people are spewing forth the same stuff ad nauseum. Just like folks are spewing the same ol' "I love my N900" stuff.

Equilibrium. Sometimes it's needed.

[NOMOS]

Why are Android and iOS devices able to develop with far more leading edge hardware within their development cycles? Apple even works on their own whole OS during that same cycle. Android has an open-source community helping (actually helping!) the development in addition to the community of handset manufacturers within that same development cycle, too.

How does Nokia square that with also having an open-source community built around Maemo who WANT to help develop during the development cycle so that they can concentrate on building better hardware?

Nokia has a longer development cycle for Maemo because they need to do all of the work, where for Android oftentimes the hardware adaptation is in part already done by chipset vendors. Nokia had no intention of under speccing the N9. In this case the software was not ready, which is why the device got delayed. Would it have launched 6 months earlier, the CPU spec would be on par. don't start that BS about Harmattan being Maemo in essence so they should be quicker. Obviously the failed marriage with Intel also delayed the development.

Symbian is a different story, because there the very long development cycles Nokia used to have are compounded with the intent of capitalizing on the fact Symbian is an efficient OS by using slower CPU.s etc.

The real question here is, are we really happy with a spec pissing contest? The entire Android game is a spec pissing contest in part because without a monster cpu, android has a very laggy UI. OEM have no way of differentiating outside hyping Ghz numbers. Should this not really be about quality? Usability? Image quality? Audio quality, reception, battery life, quality of the UI, how well something multitasks, is it able to be used with one hand, etc etc.

Rant: Are Samsung LG and HTC not really the Asus of the smartphone world. Where is the innovation or added value there? The UI skins they make blow. Is it not a sad state of affairs to see Android become the windows of smartphones and destroy diversity?

[nilchak]

Then why do folks continue to say "it's a portable computer in my pocket"? That in itself skews the expected experience for the casual reader/user.

Let's be honest, a Linux Desktop Experience in our pocket just isn't consumer friendly. Whereas the N9 could be consumer friendly, the missing bits are too blatant to ignore.

Trust me... I get what you're saying. But to say that it didn't disappoint some former fans is overlooking why people are spewing forth the same stuff ad nauseum. Just like folks are spewing the same ol' "I love my N900" stuff.

Equilibrium. Sometimes it's needed.

Yeah, its portable computer - who says its a "desktop in your pocket" ?

Why do you conflate the two terms - computing with desktop ?

Maybe its just years of using a desktop that is the reason we cant think in a new way and use the old blinders to see new paradigms ?
Again I dont know - but that not how I see it.

And Gerbick, I also agree with some of the dissapointments that you and Dan (and myself) share. -but lets look forward, the old dissapointments arent gong to right itself in this changing ecosystem of a mobile world.

What we have to consider is is the new path that Nokia is trying with Meego/Harmattan a sustainable path - a new path indeed - a intuitive and productive path for us ?
Thats the real question.
Not whay did Nokia abandon the N800 path ?

[danramos]

Heres the low down - you keep showelling your diasagreements on Nokia's direction and its devices since the N800 on all of us. Now while I may agree with some of your points, I dont keep spewing mya disagreements on and on and on - its just gets boring - even to myself. (So I dont know how you like hearing yourself spewing the same old points time and again).

Don't you worry your precious little head about it--eventually, it'll stop. Eventually, it'll all stop and go silent at this rate. :)

http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/demotivators/apathydemotivationalposter.jpg (http://www.despair.com/ap24x30prin.html)

Nokia has a longer development cycle for Maemo because they need to do all of the work, where for Android oftentimes the hardware adaptation is in part already done by chipset vendors. Nokia had no intention of under speccing the N9. In this case the software was not ready, which is why the device got delayed. Would it have launched 6 months earlier, the CPU spec would be on par. don't start that BS about Harmattan being Maemo in essence so they should be quicker. Obviously the failed marriage with Intel also delayed the development.

Symbian is a different story, because there the very long development cycles Nokia used to have are compounded with the intent of capitalizing on the fact Symbian is an efficient OS by using slower CPU.s etc.

The real question here is, are we really happy with a spec pissing contest? The entire Android game is a spec pissing contest in part because without a monster cpu, android has a very laggy UI. OEM have no way of differentiating outside hyping Ghz numbers. Should this not really be about quality? Usability? Image quality? Audio quality, reception, battery life, quality of the UI, how well something multitasks, is it able to be used with one hand, etc etc.

Rant: Are Samsung LG and HTC not really the Asus of the smartphone world. Where is the innovation or added value there? The UI skins they make blow. Is it not a sad state of affairs to see Android become the windows of smartphones and destroy diversity?

Oh whew! That's a relief! So it's finally running MeeGo, then? :) I find the rest of your arguments baseless. I don't find the UI laggy or slow and I find it to be efficient enough to run exquisitely even on my old Motorola Droid. That's sufficiently efficient enough for an old device, more than efficient enough for new devices. As for the innovations, plenty of it is in developing the HARDWARE--where HARDWARE manufacturers should be concentrating while SOFTWARE developers at Google and in the cmmunity develop SOFTWARE. Seems pretty common-sense.

Yeah, its portable computer - who says its a "desktop in your pocket" ?

Why do you conflate the two terms - computing with desktop ?

Maybe its just years of using a desktop that is the reason we cant think in a new way and use the old blinders to see new paradigms ?
Again I dont know - but that not how I see it.

And Gerbick, I also agree with some of the dissapointments that you and Dan (and myself) share. -but lets look forward, the old dissapointments arent gong to right itself in this changing ecosystem of a mobile world.

What we have to consider is is the new path that Nokia is trying with Meego/Harmattan a sustainable path - a new path indeed - a intuitive and productive path for us ?
Thats the real question.
Not whay did Nokia abandon the N800 path ?

Here's the thing.. whenever people said, 'this SUCKS as a phone', the response was always, 'IT'S A COMPUTER FIRST!' The idea being to distance the device from being a handset phone device and representing more of a desktop computer experience in a handset form factor.

Now you're possibly arguing that it's not a computer and it's just another ME TOO handset form factor? Ponderous, lad. That leads down roads I prefer not to go down. Meanwhile, the INTERNET TABLET form factor that Nokia nearly had in its grasp with the "desktop computing experience" arguments in a portable device are being adopted by everyone else as their phone OS's slowly evolve into more and more functional "desktop computing experience" devices (i.e. Atrix, Transformer, Icona, etc.). I would argue that Nokia WAS heading the way of tablets, but then got caught up in the iPhone/Android ME TOO wars instead of being the leader of the INTERNET TABLETS that they had rightfully forged ahead on long before the others were going there. It's a shame and a wasted opportunity.

[deadmalc]

Would it have launched 6 months earlier, the CPU spec would be on par.

ummm.... so compare the cpu in the iphone4 to the n9...
One is an A9 the other one is basically the same as the n900 (but at a higher clock) isn't it?


Rant: Are Samsung LG and HTC not really the Asus of the smartphone world. Where is the innovation or added value there? The UI skins they make blow. Is it not a sad state of affairs to see Android become the windows of smartphones and destroy diversity?

As far as Samsung goes the hardware is the innovation, not everything is about UI skins, it's a combination - which is why although the N9 may have dinosaur hardware, but speed wise it will probably only be 6 months behind

[aironeous]

Nokia has a longer development cycle for Maemo because they need to do all of the work, where for Android oftentimes the hardware adaptation is in part already done by chipset vendors. Nokia had no intention of under speccing the N9. In this case the software was not ready, which is why the device got delayed. Would it have launched 6 months earlier, the CPU spec would be on par. don't start that BS about Harmattan being Maemo in essence so they should be quicker. Obviously the failed marriage with Intel also delayed the development.

Symbian is a different story, because there the very long development cycles Nokia used to have are compounded with the intent of capitalizing on the fact Symbian is an efficient OS by using slower CPU.s etc.

The real question here is, are we really happy with a spec pissing contest? The entire Android game is a spec pissing contest in part because without a monster cpu, android has a very laggy UI. OEM have no way of differentiating outside hyping Ghz numbers. Should this not really be about quality? Usability? Image quality? Audio quality, reception, battery life, quality of the UI, how well something multitasks, is it able to be used with one hand, etc etc.

Rant: Are Samsung LG and HTC not really the Asus of the smartphone world. Where is the innovation or added value there? The UI skins they make blow. Is it not a sad state of affairs to see Android become the windows of smartphones and destroy diversity?

The fact still remains Nokia phones have slow processors.
There I said it.....
My LG G2x (which is slim) has a dual core with gpu and removable battery and sd card slot, what is Nokia's excuse? This phone was released 4/20

Long development cycle fine!
OS uses the cpu better fine!
This LG G2x was released 4/20 and now September for N9 with single core, non removable battery, no sd slot, no flash in browser?
How can I not think Elop took a shite on Harmattan project?

If this is just a first device and there will be many more harmattan devices transitioning over to meego (ux transfer) devices then I'm fine with that.
But it does not seem that way.
Maybe this is a fake out move by Elop - make Intel carry the burden of meego and let all the other maufacturers feel safe about making devices for meego (after all Nokia has no control over it now) and then nokia will step in in 2 years when a quadzillion cars, boats, tv's, tablets and phones are using meego and make another spec'd out phone with a nice UX like N9.
If so then I'll bow down to his chubby little ihop chef looking arse and praise him.

I really do not prefer stock Android it seems way too consumery and I would like it to have a little bit of N900 N810 mixed in (that feeling of I can fly free and modify the crap out of it) however I have yet to take advantage of the Cyanogen mod 7 version of android for my LG G2x which everyone is praising here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1108201&page=164
So I really can't speak for those who are running this beast with CM7.

I think I'll get the evolve III Maestro C
It triple boots meego, WP7 and Android.
http://www.evolvethree.com.au/products/maestro-convertible.html
I'll also get the N9 but just because it's included in the QT fiasco and I know this community will modify the crap out of it and make it do some nice shite.

[nilchak]

Here's the thing.. whenever people said, 'this SUCKS as a phone', the response was always, 'IT'S A COMPUTER FIRST!' The idea being to distance the device from being a handset phone device and representing more of a desktop computer experience in a handset form factor.

Now you're possibly arguing that it's not a computer and it's just another ME TOO handset form factor? Ponderous, lad. That leads down roads I prefer not to go down. Meanwhile, the INTERNET TABLET form factor that Nokia nearly had in its grasp with the "desktop computing experience" arguments in a portable device are being adopted by everyone else as their phone OS's slowly evolve into more and more functional "desktop computing experience" devices (i.e. Atrix, Transformer, Icona, etc.). I would argue that Nokia WAS heading the way of tablets, but then got caught up in the iPhone/Android ME TOO wars instead of being the leader of the INTERNET TABLETS that they had rightfully forged ahead on long before the others were going there. It's a shame and a wasted opportunity.

Well I can't speak for all the other peopl's opinions whan asked "What is the n900" can I ?

Now you're possibly arguing that it's not a computer and it's just another ME TOO handset form factor? .

No I am not arguing that - you just replied to my post which said "dont conflate comuting with desktop" and here you go making that stawman argument.

Let me say this in B/W. It is a computer - it aint a desktop.

See there you provided me with a nice mental imagery to compare ...

See the blue big rotary phone in your orig. post ? Now what similarities do you see with a mobile phone of today (say an iPhone) ?
Apart from the fact that both rings whan a call comes in and on both you can call somebody - and on both you can talk to another person, and on both you hang up - i.e. on both it walks and talks like a phone. So they are both phones.

But one is a rotary phone using a very different technology and a UI paradigm and communication protocal than the mobile phone of today.

So if someone tells you hey, we have a new phone out for your pockets, do you immediately imagine in your mind using a nice blue big rotary landline phone to carry aound in your pockets (complete with spools of wire and all) ? No you dont, cause you have learnt to diassociate that ponderous imagery of the phone term from the rotary phones of yesterday.

How about trying that with computing and a desktop computing ? Trust me its not that hard.

[Rugoz]

^

the iphone 4 has a 800Mhz Cortex A8.

the n9 a 1Ghz A8 which can easily be overclocked to 1.2 Ghz if you want.

The SGX535 does the same amount of triangles/sec (14m) as the SGX530, but has a higher fillrate (500 vs 1000), don't know how relevant the fillrate is in practice, I guess its not a limiting factor for the n9 screen resolution.

The n9 has 1g ram > 512mb

So compared to the iphone4 i would rate the specs of the n9 better. iphone 5 is another story of course.

[hayman]

The fact still remains Nokia phones have slow processors.
There I said it.....
My LG G2x (which is slim) has a dual core with gpu and removable battery and sd card slot, what is Nokia's excuse? This phone was released 4/20

Long development cycle fine!
OS uses the cpu better fine!
This LG G2x was released 4/20 and now September for N9 with single core, non removable battery, no sd slot, no flash in browser?
How can I not think Elop took a shite on Harmattan project?

If this is just a first device and there will be many more harmattan devices transitioning over to meego (ux transfer) devices then I'm fine with that.
But it does not seem that way.
Maybe this is a fake out move by Elop - make Intel carry the burden of meego and let all the other maufacturers feel safe about making devices for meego (after all Nokia has no control over it now) and then nokia will step in in 2 years when a quadzillion cars, boats, tv's, tablets and phones are using meego and make another spec'd out phone with a nice UX like N9.
If so then I'll bow down to his chubby little ihop chef looking arse and praise him.

I really do not prefer stock Android it seems way too consumery and I would like it to have a little bit of N900 N810 mixed in (that feeling of I can fly free and modify the crap out of it) however I have yet to take advantage of the Cyanogen mod 7 version of android for my LG G2x which everyone is praising here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1108201&page=164
So I really can't speak for those who are running this beast with CM7.

I think I'll get the evolve III Maestro C
It triple boots meego, WP7 and Android.
http://www.evolvethree.com.au/products/maestro-convertible.html
I'll also get the N9 but just because it's included in the QT fiasco and I know this community will modify the crap out of it and make it do some nice shite.

Wow i wish they will make a phone like the evolve Maestro c boot three os
Hope the N9 can get a Dual boot mango and meego that will be nice

[gerbick]

Yeah, its portable computer - who says its a "desktop in your pocket" ?

But when you say portable computer... and you don't denote otherwise, the connotation is wide open to mean "desktop". More words would alleviate the lack of understanding.

Why do you conflate the two terms - computing with desktop ?

See above. It's not intentional, but you say computer in my pocket, I'm gonna think desktop. And this is coming from a man that owned an OQO 01+.

Maybe its just years of using a desktop that is the reason we cant think in a new way and use the old blinders to see new paradigms?

Nail. Head. Hit. Bingo.

And Gerbick, I also agree with some of the dissapointments that you and Dan (and myself) share. -but lets look forward, the old dissapointments arent gong to right itself in this changing ecosystem of a mobile world.

I am looking forward. I just don't see how in the hell they will make this competitive. "New" isn't competitive any longer. "New and fits into your lifestyle, grows with you, plays your media, doesn't take up too much of your time to learn new, obscure commands if you're an idiot that shouldn't own anything past a dumb phone..." sells now. Simply put, we're stuck with having the bottom denominator dictate what we have.

Thank goodness Maemo could actually make both parties - the consumer and the developer happy. Problem is... it ain't doing it yet.

What we have to consider is is the new path that Nokia is trying with Meego/Harmattan a sustainable path - a new path indeed - a intuitive and productive path for us?

All I see is Elop undercutting each and every MeeGo/Harmattan movement forward with WP7 talk, leaks and rhetoric.

That is not how you build a sustainable path.

[aironeous]

Wow i wish they will make a phone like the evolve Maestro c boot three os
Hope the N9 can get a Dual boot mango and meego that will be nice
It's almost the same price as the N9 is going to be
BUT you get
1) Better resolution
2) Bigger screen
3) Triple boot OS
4) I imagine removable battery
5) Card slot
6) KKKKKKEEEEEEEEYYYYYYBBBBBOOOAAAARRRDDD
7) Kickstand that works even when device is flipped upside down
8) 2 USB ports
9) HDMI out
10) Windows 7 has been modified to give you 5 home screens
11) Dual core

So apples and oranges this thing seems quite nice.
I mean I like this orange better than that apple.

[lma]

You are on the wrong train buddy. That "Linux desktop experience" train departed with the N810.


Sad, but true.


With the N900 Nokia clearly stated its phone and mobile experience directions


Actually they didn't, they called it a "mobile computer" (which while technically correct was very misleading for people coming from previous Maemo devices).

In fact very soon, Apple would be upending the other theory that we held on to and found to be valid so far - that a desktop experience works very well on a desktop like device - with the new Lion OS thats about to change soon.. Yes its will be a slow change to that upending process.

It's a fad, and Apple are coming typically late to it (Canonical and GNOME are way ahead). We will outgrow it, just like we did other such silly notions (fvwm95 anyone?) in the past.

[mikecomputing]

I dont get it on a maemo forum I reading alot how fantastic android is.

On another forums and in real world I hear several people complains about:

Laggy android phones
buggy OS
lack of upgardes of OS from several manufactors (ohh I see not only Nokia has thiis problems with upgrades?
android handset where the phoneaudio is so damn bad so they actually cant use it.

people who get sick of android and sell the phones and buys Iphones instead.

but androidgeeks seems to ignore this facts on TMO.

By this I dont say my N900 is perfect but with this "old hardware" I would say it is better than many androids today. Btw there is not even any good hwkbd androids out in my country yet. only some crap from SE.

[lma]

Nokia has a longer development cycle for Maemo because they need to do all of the work

Nokia had a regular iterative development cycle for Maemo, just like everyone else, until Diablo. Between 2005-2007 they released 3 devices and 4 major versions of the OS.

Nokia has had an absurdly longer development cycle after that (we're on the second half of 2011 and the only new thing out so far is the N900) because they chose to throw most of their existing development away and start almost from scratch, twice (and there would have been another such upheaval going from Harmattan to MeeGo if they hadn't dumped the whole thing).

[jalyst]

O.M.G.....
I'm running away from this thread for at least 3-days, it's doing my head in.

[danramos]

Actually they didn't, they called it a "mobile computer" (which while technically correct was very misleading for people coming from previous Maemo devices).

That's right! See... introducing the N900 MOBILE COMPUTER!
http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/nseries/inside-nseries/introducing-the-nokia-n900-mobile-computer

While at the same time ALSO calling it a mobile phone!
http://www.nokia.co.uk/find-products/all-phones/nokia-n900
http://www.nokiausa.com/find-products/phones/nokia-n900

Sometimes, it seems Nokia is ambivalent about it altogether:
http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-N900-Unlocked-Computer-Touchscreen/dp/B002OB49SW

I shall refer you to the great PHONE IS NOT A PHONE war of 2009-2011
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35153

[danramos]

O.M.G.....
I'm running away from this thread for at least 3-days, it's doing my head in.

http://www.halolz.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/indiana-sinistar.jpg

[gerbick]

I don't get it on any other forum, I've never read a lot how fantastic the n900 is.

On another forums and in real world I hear several people complains about:

Laggy UI when you get a phone call
buggy OS
lack of upgrades of the OS for several months (ooh I see not only some Android phones have this problem with upgrades?)
N900 handset where the microUSB is so damn bad that it actually pulls out.

people who get sick of n900 and sell the phones and buys anything else instead.

but n900 fanatics seems to ignore this facts.

By this I don't say my Motorola Atrix is perfect but with this "new hardware" I would say it is better than many n900's today - especially the broken ones. Btw there is not even any good hwkbd n950's out in any country yet for sale!? only some given to the lucky devs.

game. set. match.

[danramos]

I don't get it on any other forum, I've never read a lot how fantastic the n900 is.

On another forums and in real world I hear several people complains about:

Laggy UI when you get a phone call
buggy OS
lack of upgrades of the OS for several months (ooh I see not only some Android phones have this problem with upgrades?)
N900 handset where the microUSB is so damn bad that it actually pulls out.

people who get sick of n900 and sell the phones and buys anything else instead.

but n900 fanatics seems to ignore this facts.

By this I don't say my Motorola Atrix is perfect but with this "new hardware" I would say it is better than many n900's today - especially the broken ones. Btw there is not even any good hwkbd n950's out in any country yet for sale!? only some given to the lucky devs.

game. set. match.

http://www.lolpix.com/_pics/Funny_Pictures_358/Funny_Pictures_35813.jpg

[afaq]

TMO hasnt been this entertaining to read in months. Keep up the good work guys.

[danramos]

TMO hasnt been this entertaining to read in months. Keep up the good work guys.

Sometimes, when something as tragic as Elop happens... all you can do is laugh. Sometimes hysterically. Sometimes laughing crosseyed while stabbing your stuffed bunny. Oh Elop.

http://www.hoyso.com/tributes/don/xRejected_ConsumerWhore.jpg

[gerbick]

...laughing crosseyed while stabbing your stuffed bunny....

And this will end up as a tweet sometime in the next 24 hours.

[danramos]

And this will end up as a tweet sometime in the next 24 hours.

Well, I don't know about tweeting, but I have a new signature. ;)

[nwerneck]

N900, N9, N800... They are all "mobile computers".

1_ You can run Python on a terminal and type some code to calculate pi to the 40th decimal case.

2_ It's small.

Ergo, it's mobile computer.

Heck, you can even run LOGO or Prolog. Limitless potential. Can't wait to play with that baby now that a decent SDK is available, with easy cross-compiling...

As for "desktop" thing... Specially "Linux Desktop". Well, as far as I know the prophetical "year of Linux in the Desktop" hasn't arrived yet, so I don't know what you guys are talking about.

But I do know you can plug the thing to a TV or monitor, use some BT keyboard, if not USB OTG, and use the thing like a damn desktop. But that's actually old news, and you can do that even on Symbian. So what's wrong here? is it another of those things Nokia brought "too early" to the market?

Tough of the week: The year of Linux on the desktop hasn't arrived yet... But Nokia though it has, and have been releasing Maemo phones / tablets "too early" for the last 5 years?

Now for some on-topic stuff. N9 has appeared in the Brazilian Nokia site, and also in the Czech site and the middle-eastern-Africa site. And this is clearly, very officially, not some loose source code like in the Indian website (where it's still not showing). And none of these show up in the magical combo box at nokia.com/n9. Based on this movement, could we perhaps start to feel like there may be NO LIMITS to where N9 may be released, and maybe even get some hope the release might not be _too_ far away?...

BTW, I have been searching for official sources that it will happen only in September, at minimum. Does anybody have a link?... Is a pre-September N9 release officially (or semi-officially) ruled out?

[erendorn]

Lol, The EPIC I'm listenning to myself thread

On a side note, the difference between the n9 (and any other handheld/tablet) and a "desktop experience" is pretty much the same as the difference between a real desktop and a real notebook.

[NOMOS]

Oh whew! That's a relief! So it's finally running MeeGo, then? :) I find the rest of your arguments baseless. I don't find the UI laggy or slow and I find it to be efficient enough to run exquisitely even on my old Motorola Droid. That's sufficiently efficient enough for an old device, more than efficient enough for new devices. As for the innovations, plenty of it is in developing the HARDWARE--where HARDWARE manufacturers should be concentrating while SOFTWARE developers at Google and in the cmmunity develop SOFTWARE. Seems pretty common-sense

YMMV with Android, all of the friends I have that own a Galaxy S (4 of them), literally hate the device because of how laggy it is. How it grinds to a halt when using some widgets in Launcher pro. I am not against Android, and just do not think it is a good OS.

You go on about HW innovation, but where is it? A faster CPU, is that a hardware innovation? That is par for the course. ARM designs a new blueprint, Samsung and others tell their foundry to bake them. Done. Why do we have dual core 1.5 Ghz processors, but still terrible camera's on HTC's? Or universally used cheap plastic in Samsung devices? That's not innovation, is expected evolution. This spec race is preventing innovation, because we are conditioning consumers to view this as a Mhz race. See where that got us with PC's? The only company that makes something different is Apple. I do not want the mobile space to be the same way. In one very important way Apple, and to a lesser extent Nokia, know this and share this message. Because it is not about specs/technology, but what you can do with it. There is innovation in the N9 however. The buttonless UI is a first. The multitasking is not new but certainly better than anything out there now. The way the curved display and the construction seemlessly transition. The unibody body. Those are things that set the device apart. Who cares what is inside if it does everything well? I would rather have a better camera, or better navigation, or a better vkb, iso having 1.2 Ghz vs 1 Ghz. If Sammy LG and HTC are all just racing to get the fastest SoC on the market as fast as possible, then that is bad news for real innovation because that situation works like a straitjacket.

I am not only sad to see the N9 being the last of the really different devices, but also because in effect, diversity in the mobile space is dying, and it is substituted by something that is not even very good.

[lma]

N900, N9, N800... They are all "mobile computers".

1_ You can run Python on a terminal and type some code to calculate pi to the 40th decimal case.

2_ It's small.

Ergo, it's mobile computer.


By that definition so is something like the N80. It's hardly equal to the N810 or even N900 as a computer though, is it.

Heck, you can even run LOGO or Prolog. Limitless potential.

I could run Logo & Prolog on my ZX Spectrum 3 decades ago. It was cool, but I wouldn't say it had limitless potential, even for its time ;-)

Can't wait to play with that baby now that a decent SDK is available, with easy cross-compiling...


The Harmattan SDK is still based on scratchbox 1, nothing new there.

BTW, I have been searching for official sources that it will happen only in September, at minimum. Does anybody have a link?... Is a pre-September N9 release officially (or semi-officially) ruled out?

Nothing official, but most of FInland goes on holiday during July so don't expect anything this month. At best if might be a few days earlier than "September".

[Chuck Norris]

Chuck is back! Behave...

[abbra]

Heck, you can even run LOGO or Prolog. Limitless potential. Can't wait to play with that baby now that a decent SDK is available, with easy cross-compiling...


Mind you, N900, N950, and N9 all actually *run* Prolog in production -- the whole policy engine's rules switching part is written in Prolog and drives very important part of the handsets' functionality.

For those who care: http://meego.gitorious.org/maemo-multimedia/policy-settings-basic/trees/master/basic/policy

[cristids]

Does anybody know if it will support wifi hotspot in AP mode or i will be only ad hoc mode?

[steveburczymucha]

The fact still remains Nokia phones have slow processors.
There I said it.....
My LG G2x (which is slim) has a dual core with gpu and removable battery and sd card slot, what is Nokia's excuse? This phone was released 4/20

And tell us how fine are device lockups ... everyone complaints about them @ xda

Tell us how laggy is LG UI, people change launcher to get normal functioning.

iphone 4 with single core beats it in terms of ui fluidity and no lags.

[RFS-81]

Nokia has stated that Meego is no go - people here who hate it get what they want.
Nokia has announced that N9 will be released - people here who love it get what they want.

Just hypothetically, is it possible for Nokia to do anything that wouldn't rise a huge argument over here? :eek:

[casper27]

Just hypothetically, is it possible for Nokia to do anything that wouldn't rise a huge argument over here? :eek:

Give everyone that asks a free N950 to play with:)

[bsd1101]

Give everyone that asks a free N950 to play with:)

i would be pissed because it doesn't have true 1GB of ram in it or 64gb's of space. lost my mp3 player a little while ago and that 64gb will come into use

[bbin]

i would be pissed because it doesn't have true 1GB of ram in it or 64gb's of space. lost my mp3 player a little while ago and that 64gb will come into use

:eek:
These kind of comments really show what is wrong with TMO nowadays.

[Dave999]

:eek:
These kind of comments really show what is wrong with TMO nowadays.

Relax. He is 13 years old.

[geneven]

N900 handset where the microUSB is so damn bad that it actually pulls out.

but n900 fanatics seems to ignore this facts.


Can you explain how having a thread thousands of messages long, with virtually everyone on this site commenting, constitutes 'ignoring' the problem?

[ericsson]

Can you explain how having a thread thousands of messages long, with virtually everyone on this site commenting, constitutes 'ignoring' the problem?

Just ignore that gerbick dude, he is getting older and grumpier each day. Soon there is no difference between him and that danramos clown.

Gerbick: I'm getting the N900, it's the new iPhone - dang... and then, I'm getting the first WP, it is the new iPhone - dang. and - MeeGo, the new iOS - dang.

But what do I do? I get the E6, a Symbian device that is supposed to be doomed by everyone. And what do you know, Symbian is steaming ahead in North America, and the E6 is a superhit all over:
http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-na-monthly-201006-201106

So there it is, the difference between savvy and not savvy :D I predict Nokia+WP will be loved, Gerbick does not, who will you believe? Well I also predict the N9 will be a somewhat hit, but not until they get those Symbian devices with Swipe out and at least one more Maemo device.

[geneven]

Just ignore that gerbick dude, he is getting older and grumpier each day. Soon there is no difference between him and that danramos clown.



Please don't put down people getting older and grumpier, damn you!

[aironeous]

And tell us how fine are device lockups ... everyone complaints about them @ xda

Tell us how laggy is LG UI, people change launcher to get normal functioning.

iphone 4 with single core beats it in terms of ui fluidity and no lags.
Like I said Android is not my preferred OS I'd prefer meego or maemo. I've had a few freezes since I bought it on 4/20 but I'm watching the Cyanogen mod 7 thread and they've pretty much eliminated a lot of bugs and increased the flexibility of the OS.

[rcolistete]

Hi,
Nokia N9 is oficially present in the products page of Nokia.Br (Brazil) :
http://www.nokia.com.br/produtos/celulares/nokia-n9
Brazil was not listed in the Nokia N9 web page, so I think that list of countries does not say UK, EUA, France, etc, will not have Nokia N9.


Updated info : today I talked to a Nokia Store employee in Rio de Janeiro (Brazil) and he told me that the Nokia N9 will be available in September to pre-order (probably with some gift) and in October to normal sales.

So, it's no sense to think Nokia will restrict the sales of N9 in some countries.

Regards,

Roberto

[NOMOS]

In other news, Fast Company:

"Part homage and part heresy, Nokia’s N9 could conceivably win converts even from a die-hard iOS crowd -- if anyone ever hears about it."

http://www.fastcodesign.com/1664347/nokias-svp-of-design-on-solving-the-ui-problems-in-smartphones

[steveburczymucha]

Like I said Android is not my preferred OS I'd prefer meego or maemo. I've had a few freezes since I bought it on 4/20 but I'm watching the Cyanogen mod 7 thread and they've pretty much eliminated a lot of bugs and increased the flexibility of the OS.

Great, you have to resort to mods to get experience that you should expect to have out of a box.

[bsd1101]

Relax. He is 13 years old.

more like I was kidding and people took it to seriously.

[gerbick]

Can you explain how having a thread thousands of messages long, with virtually everyone on this site commenting, constitutes 'ignoring' the problem?

Unlock the damn poll, or remove it, start anew.

The ignoring part is that folks tend to quickly say "Didn't happen to me." like that was the solution.

They were just lucky. For such a "perfect" little computer in your pocket, it has some serious, blaring flaws. And I refuse to buy a ****ing desktop charger and extra battery to go with me for travel. I already carry enough stuff. That's one less plug and possible air security issue to worry about.

That is also "ignoring" the problem.

Now... what I don't get is why the vitriol if you think it's solved. It's not. I had two pull out on me. Texrat has been through three (I think). And the next ****ing nerd that says "Didn't happen to me..." like it's my fault, that's ignoring it.

What part of that do you not comprehend? I don't mind using smaller words since you're incapable of understanding larger concepts; especially when it's a huge manufacturing flaw that was not really fixed due to how the microUSB was affixed (cheaply) in the first place for such a high priced phone.

Get angry at me all you want. It's Nokia's fault to fix.

[gerbick]

Just ignore that gerbick dude, he is getting older and grumpier each day. Soon there is no difference between him and that danramos clown.

Care to ever answer any of my prior questions or do you wish to toss more insults my way? Ever thought I just get a tad bit perturbed when I'm confronted by a person incapable of answering one serious question?

Gerbick: I'm getting the N900, it's the new iPhone - dang... and then, I'm getting the first WP, it is the new iPhone - dang. and - MeeGo, the new iOS - dang.

Aw dang. You got me. Guess I need to find a new job where I don't get the new toys and see what they're worth as a viable option.

Oh wait... I'm actually typing this on a WP7 phone. You got one... right?

Nope. Jealous?

[BigBadGuber!]

Care to ever answer any of my prior questions or do you wish to toss more insults my way? Ever thought I just get a tad bit perturbed when I'm confronted by a person incapable of answering one serious question?



Aw dang. You got me. Guess I need to find a new job where I don't get the new toys and see what they're worth as a viable option.

Oh wait... I'm actually typing this on a WP7 phone. You got one... right?

Nope. Jealous?


How is that WP7 phone? Will it look good On Searay

[jo21]

Unlock the damn poll, or remove it, start anew.

The ignoring part is that folks tend to quickly say "Didn't happen to me." like that was the solution.

They were just lucky. For such a "perfect" little computer in your pocket, it has some serious, blaring flaws. And I refuse to buy a ****ing desktop charger and extra battery to go with me for travel. I already carry enough stuff. That's one less plug and possible air security issue to worry about.

That is also "ignoring" the problem.

Now... what I don't get is why the vitriol if you think it's solved. It's not. I had two pull out on me. Texrat has been through three (I think). And the next ****ing nerd that says "Didn't happen to me..." like it's my fault, that's ignoring it.

What part of that do you not comprehend? I don't mind using smaller words since you're incapable of understanding larger concepts; especially when it's a huge manufacturing flaw that was not really fixed due to how the microUSB was affixed (cheaply) in the first place for such a high priced phone.

Get angry at me all you want. It's Nokia's fault to fix.

welll dont buy an android phone, they have even shittier battery life.

my n900 have over one year and still strong, i drop it alot.

[gerbick]

How is that WP7 phone? Will it look good On Searay

I know I'll regret this... but

I've shared my experiences with WP7 in and out of many threads.

It's "decent". A lot of room for improvement, Mango answers some of the concerns, but not all. Lack of apps that I've used for ages on iOS or Android is sorta bothersome.

UI is quick to maneuver through, ease of use and workflow are (for the most part) in WP7's favor. Lack of Flash in the browser is a problem for me - I'm an Adobe Flash/Flex dev. There are quite a few problems in some apps, for instance when you use Shazam, if you click on the YouTube link, it doesn't pick up if you have either the Microsoft YouTube app or the HTC YouTube app... still opens up in a browser and stalls half of the time.

Lack of true multitasking, not all live tiles are responsive or update properly, applications like IM+, MS Onit, and even Mosaic by Tribune are very likely to stall and freeze the entire phone. Camera is damn near instant - just hold the camera button from even a locked screen. For a 1ghz cpu, I can tap it out rather easily.

Development is another can of worms... but you asked my experience. Good phone, full of some annoyances, can be improved, connectivity to Zune (wireless sync especially) is great. Games/XBL implementation is awesome (I actually have an XBOX 360) but the fact that games that were free on Android cost $2.99 or higher is annoying.

I like it, but Android fits my workflow tighter.

[geneven]

Unlock the damn poll, or remove it, start anew.

The ignoring part is that folks tend to quickly say "Didn't happen to me." like that was the solution.

They were just lucky. For such a "perfect" little computer in your pocket, it has some serious, blaring flaws. And I refuse to buy a ****ing desktop charger and extra battery to go with me for travel. I already carry enough stuff. That's one less plug and possible air security issue to worry about.

That is also "ignoring" the problem.

Now... what I don't get is why the vitriol if you think it's solved. It's not. I had two pull out on me. Texrat has been through three (I think). And the next ****ing nerd that says "Didn't happen to me..." like it's my fault, that's ignoring it.

What part of that do you not comprehend? I don't mind using smaller words since you're incapable of understanding larger concepts; especially when it's a huge manufacturing flaw that was not really fixed due to how the microUSB was affixed (cheaply) in the first place for such a high priced phone.

Get angry at me all you want. It's Nokia's fault to fix.

Please point to what I said that implied to you that I think the problem has been solved. I think that what I claimed is that the problem has not been IGNORED. Do you disagree that is what I said?

Your reasoning is quite incorrect, and insulting me doesn't correct it.
It speaks poorly for you that you have to use insult to support your argument.

[danramos]

:eek:
These kind of comments really show what is wrong with TMO nowadays.

What's wrong with TMO is that it's no longer ITT. Just saying! :)

Care to ever answer any of my prior questions or do you wish to toss more insults my way? Ever thought I just get a tad bit perturbed when I'm confronted by a person incapable of answering one serious question?

He's resorted to personal attacks like a cornered and excited primate tossing feces around. Don't bother replying to it and let your own statements stand for themselves and continue to address the rest of the intelligent crowd out here, putting aside the hater.

Please point to what I said that implied to you that I think the problem has been solved. I think that what I claimed is that the problem has not been IGNORED. Do you disagree that is what I said?

Your reasoning is quite incorrect, and insulting me doesn't correct it.
It speaks poorly for you that you have to use insult to support your argument.

I had the impression he was talking about blind fanaticists (fanbois), not directed right at you. The issue here being the phrase, "I've never had that problem," as a way to anecdotally dismiss the problem, intentionally or unintentionally. But that's just my reading. Either way, no need to insults each other--you both have good points.

PS @gerbick: I never had that problem with the USB port! ...I suppose it's because I didn't bother with getting an N900, though. ;)

[Soppa]

Please let's try to get this back on track, I'd like to subscribe to this thread and actually be able to find out new tidbits about N9, which this thread should be all about. You all seem to be very well spoken, intelligent and vocal people, why not steer all that talent and energy to on-topic discussion?

Let's not drive away people that are in the know, but don't want to participate because the discussion just isn't very inviting.

[lma]

The ignoring part is that folks tend to quickly say "Didn't happen to me." like that was the solution.

They were just lucky.


So far. It's a design defect, not just a bad batch of N900s (unlike, say, the N800s with bad screen sensitivity or the N810s with incorrectly partitioned eMMC (got both)).

And I refuse to buy a ****ing desktop charger and extra battery to go with me for travel. I already carry enough stuff.


Never mind that, having to reboot in order to swap batteries every day? I have too much "state" open most of the time to be doing that. My N810's uptime is 65 days, and that reboot was for trying out a different kernel.

[erendorn]

He's resorted to personal attacks like a cornered and excited primate tossing feces around.
Oh, you would never resort to that. Especially not in the same sentence.

[ericsson]

He's resorted to personal attacks like a cornered and excited primate tossing feces around. Don't bother replying to it and let your own statements stand for themselves and continue to address the rest of the intelligent crowd out here, putting aside the hater.


I had no clue to what the question was, but FYI it is answered in the correct thread (i think) a long time ago. Why do you care anyway? On a second thought, please don't answer that.

[Dave999]

well, it still is since you are directed here :)

http://www.internettablettalk.com/

[gerbick]

welll dont buy an android phone, they have even shittier battery life.

My Atrix has an 1930mAh battery, I've trimmed down the starting services as well as killed most of the polling widgets. I can go almost a day and a half per charge with wifi, bluetooth and Gmail polling per 30 minutes and really using it, phone calls et al.

To be honest, I find that my experience with Android, all but AMOLED based phones, is better than the N900. I'm a heavy phone user.

my n900 have over one year and still strong, i drop it alot.

Awesome. My personal one was going strong, no drops and no microUSB issues when I sold it. The other two in the office, I can't say the same on the microUSB, one was replaced, the other was just returned.

[lucas777]

Quick question what is the actual release date for the N9 in Australia?

[IcyMoustache]

The sad fact of this is that neither gerbick nor danramos have used the N900 for a sufficiently long time (leave alone using it in the first place), to really comment valuably on such comparisons in the first place...

anyways lets stop this bashing now... we respect you both, but this discussion leads us nowhere.

[aironeous]

Great, you have to resort to mods to get experience that you should expect to have out of a box.
Agreed some of the changes should have been in the stock rom.
Some of the changes they made were pretty good and some were pretty creative.
Check it out
http://cm-nightlies.appspot.com/?device=p999

I hope we have something like this to look at with the N9 so we can see what the next firmware update will be.

Mods will be done to the N9 to like bluetooth keyboard enabled and maybe someone will figure out how to get an antenna on that fm transmitter.

[danramos]

Oh, you would never resort to that. Especially not in the same sentence.

Sorry about that--I don't usually personally attack anyone in the same sentence, I tend to spread it around more. I'll do a better job next time. Honest! ;)

well, it still is since you are directed here :)

http://www.internettablettalk.com/

I think the word you intended to use was "redirected." More importantly, the identity was changed along with the name and that was unfortunate.

The sad fact of this is that neither gerbick nor danramos have used the N900 for a sufficiently long time (leave alone using it in the first place), to really comment valuably on such comparisons in the first place...

anyways lets stop this bashing now... we respect you both, but this discussion leads us nowhere.

Just because I didn't bend over for Nokia's latest offerings doesn't mean I don't have valid opinions or can't point out things said by people who have one. For that matter, owning a device of topical conversation doesn't add absolute credence either.

Even by your measure, I think I've already spent enough money Nokia's way, thank you just the same. I don't think anybody needs to buy the products I have to have an opinion on them either. Being wrong or having unpopular opinions is one thing and it is fine that it's pointed out, being dismissed outright is another and wholly unappreciated.

Thank you for your compliments, but with all due respect... Spare me the speech and participate instead of preach.

Agreed some of the changes should have been in the stock rom.
Some of the changes they made were pretty good and some were pretty creative.
Check it out
http://cm-nightlies.appspot.com/?device=p999

I hope we have something like this to look at with the N9 so we can see what the next firmware update will be.

Mods will be done to the N9 to like bluetooth keyboard enabled and maybe someone will figure out how to get an antenna on that fm transmitter.

We could say the same about some of the tweaks/fixes done to the N900 kernel (QWERTY's camera fix, overclocking even being ALLOWED, etc.) but it's ironic to hear someone use the fact that you CAN customize a device as a knock against such devices or operating systems.

[Arpa]

I certainly will not be parting with £500/$600 of my hard earned money for a phone which may not be supported, OS wise, by Nokia in 6 months time.

I'm getting tired of this "support" thing. Is Samsung galaxy S still getting the newest Androids? Or some mid level HTC's? The truth is that only phone manufacturers who support their phones more than 1-2 years are Nokia and Apple. Apple even more so. But I'm surprised if 3GS is getting a workable v.5 iOS.

So what the hell you are expecting from your phone, that somehow it gets magical powers after 3 years with a software upgrade? Isn't it good enough when you buy it?

[tissot]

To be honest, I find that my experience with Android, all but AMOLED based phones, is better than the N900. I'm a heavy phone user.

N900 was at the time when battery life was at worst all around. The new 45nm based CPU improved the next gen phones and IOS and Android have optimized the battery life from those days.


Android is easily the most power hungry, but of course as long as you can gram big enough battery and not losing something it's ok.
From somebody who has actually owned Android, Maemo 5, IOS devices it's IOS that got easily the best battery life. On same heavy usage iphone 4 lasts 2 days easily.
GS was 1.3 days, N900 was almost a day or a bit less.

Though N9 seems to have great battery life with 1450mah, but got a wait till i get it in to my hands.

[scapegoat845]

I'm getting tired of this "support" thing. Is Samsung galaxy S still getting the newest Androids? Or some mid level HTC's? The truth is that only phone manufacturers who support their phones more than 1-2 years are Nokia and Apple. Apple even more so. But I'm surprised if 3GS is getting a workable v.5 iOS.


Hows this for support....

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1047891#post1047891

[catbus]

Quick question what is the actual release date for the N9 in Australia?

Nobody really knows? It is rumored that the delivery would be the end of September in Sweden. perhaps the same schedule is also in other countries at the earliest.

[RAZOR]

Is Samsung galaxy S still getting the newest Androids?

As a matter of fact, yes it is.

[gerbick]

The sad fact of this is that neither gerbick nor danramos have used the N900 for a sufficiently long time (leave alone using it in the first place), to really comment valuably on such comparisons in the first place...

anyways lets stop this bashing now... we respect you both, but this discussion leads us nowhere.

There's no respect in your statement; I see only assumption. Rather baseless assumptions in fact.

But that's your opinion. Don't attempt to pass it off as fact. I find that more insulting than asking the question that you apparently hadn't...

Now. I'm going to do something that I shouldn't have to... answer an assumption with facts when you didn't even bother to ask a question - this is my monthly "answer an assumption" session it seems and you're in luck.

To answer your implicit question as opposed to your faulty deduction, when I used the N900 while in Pittsburgh, Toronto, Mexico City and Houston; I had already had access to one for a month. When I purchased mine later in the year, I just recently sold it, this year a few months back. Those trips were from last year. And we had 2 other N900's in the office, one preceded my purchase (office owned), one was after.

So that's months of usage, evaluation (which is part of my job, evaluating the viability of mobile OS's) and exposure.

I can qualify my experiences - I go back to the 770. Can you? Will you take the time to answer with facts or will you just come out with more opinion? I don't mind waiting.

I also have experience with Android, iOS and other OS's - lately WP7 (don't get me started on that rant).

Now... if I have to answer another assumption this month, that's really going to be on you for not taking the time to actually learn what I've been doing, saying and stating. Pay attention or continue to make asinine statements based on nothing but faulty deduction and/or dedication to a manufacturer forgotten OS and device.

Savvy?

[jalyst]

Hi Folks,

I started a new thread for those who aren't overly interested in getting into the whole "why the N9/Nokia sux" debate.
Lets keep this one for folks who want to continue arguing why the N9/Harmatten/Nokia et al is poor Vs such-n-such.

N9 hardware/software/availability/pricing: no muss no fuss (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1047959#post1047959). I'll try to keep it updated, this way everyone's happy! :)
I'm personally remaining subscribed to this thread as I occasionally like to read why someone likes/dislikes N9/Meego.
But the other one shall be mostly free of that, for those who only want the facts/rumours...

Cheers!

*edit*
Actually I just I found a thread (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74253) that perhaps some of the anti-N9/Nokia folk should've been in the whole time.
Direct those hypercritical energies towards identifying issues that can possibly be rectified down-the-track!?
Or don't & just keep the discussion going here, or start your own "Why Nokia/N9 sux thread", up to ya'll! :)

[momcilo]

http://www.guidedbyyoda.com/images/yoda_in_swamp.jpg

[lma]

[...] and Gmail polling per 30 minutes [...]

Wait, the Android MUA doesn't do IDLE either?

[steveburczymucha]

Hi guys, spec says that for H.264 HD only Base Profile is supported. What a pity, event X7 does that better... Is this SoC limitation? X7 has aging BCM2727... Is it really better than OMAP 3630?

[Arpa]

As a matter of fact, yes it is.

And so it should as it was only released last year.

My point was that what kind of "support" some of you are expecting? What is that magic "support" that you can't live without.

[steveburczymucha]

And so it should as it was only released last year.

My point was that what kind of "support" some of you are expecting? What is that magic "support" that you can't live without.

N9 has few bundled apps nicely integrated with phone UI itself. Those apps (twitter, facebook, etc) were developed by Nokia not by platform owners. So I expected at least those apps to be serviced properly, i.e. if underlying platform provides certain enhancements I would like to see apps changed too. To keep user experience at good level.

[jalyst]

Hi guys, spec says that for H.264 HD only Base Profile is supported. What a pity, event X7 does that better... Is this SoC limitation? X7 has aging BCM2727... Is it really better than OMAP 3630?

Try re-reading the 4 posts before yours in this thread
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1048159#post1048159
There is Base & Main profile support, alas seemingly not High profile.
http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-n9/specifications

[dansus]

Even though its not officially supported, you will often find that a device will at least attempt to playback a higher profile.

Of course, theres more to decoding content than profile alone.

[scapegoat845]

Dyin for a touch screen. My E71 has been pissing me off lately. Seems like i've been holding out for this N9 forever. Praying for pricing/availability in the next few weeks....

[mikecomputing]

Dyin for a touch screen. My E71 has been pissing me off lately. Seems like i've been holding out for this N9 forever. Praying for pricing/availability in the next few weeks....

we have to wait until end of august atleast the Nokia marketing department is on summervacation.

[scapegoat845]

we have to wait until end of august atleast the Nokia marketing department is on summervacation.

It sure seems that way...

[scapegoat845]

we have to wait until end of august atleast the Nokia marketing department is on summervacation.

I'm not holding my breathe, who shows off a phone & says "Pricing/availability coming soon" ? I mean.... WTF

[aironeous]

N9: It's finally here.........not.

[gerbick]

It's typical Nokia fashion. Announce, then release a quarter or two later. I'm sure once it's released though, it'll actually do quite well.

[govprog]

It's typical Nokia fashion. Announce, then release a quarter or two later. I'm sure once it's released though, it'll actually do quite well.

Not for long IMO. iPhone 5 will eclipse its release. Since other folks may prefer to buy a well known iPhone instead of N9 (unforunately) . But I wish that won't happen,although it may will.

[jo21]

Not for long IMO. iPhone 5 will eclipse its release. Since other folks may prefer to buy a well known iPhone instead of N9 (unforunately) . But I wish that won't happen,although it may will.

it will kill sea ray sales too, which its probably going to do bad.

[danramos]

it will kill sea ray sales too, which its probably going to do bad.

What?? Surely you jest! SURELY, despite numbers to the contrary since its release, the Windows Phone 7 phones running Microsoft's Windows Phone 7 "Windows" for phone handsets will phone pants down--I mean, WIN pants down! I mean hands down! I'm SURE we won't go bluescreen of death in the face waiting for it to surely bring Nokia back from its downward bends... er trends! :)

[jalyst]

It's typical Nokia fashion. Announce, then release a quarter or two later. I'm sure once it's released though, it'll actually do quite well.

Yep, certainly doesn't look like Elop's much touted change from:
Announce horridly late, & release horridly late
To a more Apple-esque:
Announce within a decent time-frame, & then release within 1mth worldwide

Unless he doesn't care about making that applicable to the N9, wouldn't surprise me :rolleyes:
Probably more so that senior management hasn't had time to make that a reality for the N9.
But I want to believe the conspiracies, I hate Elop, and very soon Nokia! :mad:
And then my conversion to the "hate side" along w/dan & gerbick will be complete, muahahaha! jk :D

Not for long IMO. iPhone 5 will eclipse its release. Since other folks may prefer to buy a well known iPhone instead of N9 (unforunately) . But I wish that won't happen,although it may will.

You're absolutely right IMO....
They're screwed if it's not out in all major markets at least 1mth before the iP5.
Complete with extremely heavy marketing (which won't happen).

Avg. consumer/salesperson will go:
"Hmm, nice phone that seems as good as the iPhone4, even better in some ways...
But I've never heard of it, & the iP5's coming very soon, think I'll stick to what I know"

it will kill sea ray sales too, which its probably going to do bad.

Yup, I hope it obliterates Searay sales. Errm maybe not.... :confused:
I want Nokia to get strong again before they consider investing heavily in a Linux-based phone again.
Then again if they're too successful with WP, they'll probably never want to risk devising a high-end OS again :(

[ericsson]

You're absolutely right IMO....
They're screwed if it's not out in all major markets at least 1mth before the iP5.
Complete with extremely heavy marketing (which won't happen).


The iPhone is saturated. The 3gs is still selling, and the 4 has a long way before reaching the numbers of the 3gs. The 5 will only push down prices of the 3gs and the 4, and that may be bad enough (for Nokia), but it does nothing wrt early adopters. There is nothing new and fresh about the iPhone anymore, and the 5 is only yet another re-iteration of the old.

[bsd1101]

That's all the iphone will ever be. Everyone should know iphones strategy by now. They slowly implement features one by one instead of releasing a phone with all of them at once. I for one hate Apple.

[mikecomputing]

The iPhone is saturated. The 3gs is still selling, and the 4 has a long way before reaching the numbers of the 3gs. The 5 will only push down prices of the 3gs and the 4, and that may be bad enough (for Nokia), but it does nothing wrt early adopters. There is nothing new and fresh about the iPhone anymore, and the 5 is only yet another re-iteration of the old.



we dont know that until iphone5 is released. I am sure it will have hdmi as an example.

and that is one of the most stupid thing about n9 why the **** is this not included?

that could be a good sell argument. even E7 has it :mad:

I guess there was some stupid people behind this I am sure they could include it and even that it is on the board but not included in the endline cause then it would be better than upcoming WPsuckphone

[Tiptronic]

-X7 looks way better
-No real keyboard
-Doesn't look handier then maemo

I'm not convinced. I usually change phones every 2 years, but I'm guessing I'll have to use the n900 a bit longer, even though my screen is scratched pretty badly and my lock button lost its grip..

[tissot]

we dont know that until iphone5 is released. I am sure it will have hdmi as an example.

It will be able to to play 1080 certainly, but it wont have HDMI out just as certainly.
It will have the norm ipod/ipad/iphone connector where you will need to buy the 39 euros AV adapter to get that direct HDMI out.

[shallimus]

The iPhone is saturated. The 3gs is still selling, and the 4 has a long way before reaching the numbers of the 3gs. The 5 will only push down prices of the 3gs and the 4, and that may be bad enough (for Nokia), but it does nothing wrt early adopters. There is nothing new and fresh about the iPhone anymore, and the 5 is only yet another re-iteration of the old.
Problem (from my perspective anyway) is that even though I work in a highly technical environment, probably half of the developers here have iPhones, and many of them will just get the 5 when it's available.

A straw poll of a few colleagues gives reasons for continuing with the iPhone such as:

I'm too invested in my app store/iTunes experience to change now
App store has apps
It's an iPhone! (said tongue in cheek, but she's still gonna get the 5)


Obviously I don't consider any of these to be good reasons, but they do, and they won't be buying an N9 even after conceding that in many ways it is objectively more desirable than the 4 (and maybe even the 5).

[Rugoz]

Better internal specs certainly wouldn't hurt. As a high-end smartphone the N9 does not offer enough power, for a mid-range product its probably too expensive. Still hope its gonna be relatively cheap (not iphone/sg2 level).

By the way have you seen at what prices wp7 handsets are being sold? Nokia's profits will collapse if they have to offer wp7 phones with similar hardware at similar prices.

[shallimus]

Better internal specs certainly wouldn't hurt. As a high-end smartphone the N9 does not offer enough power, for a mid-range product its probably too expensive. Still hope its gonna be relatively cheap (not iphone/sg2 level).
...but that'd make it more expensive. Not saying you're wrong, but what is the power needed for (other than impressing people for whom spec is everything)?

By the way have you seen at what prices wp7 handsets are being sold? Nokia's profits will collapse if they have to offer wp7 phones with similar hardware at similar prices.
I wouldn't carry a WP7 phone (Nokia or not) if you paid me. Agree that it will take low prices to tempt most people over to a Microsoft phone, cos they sure ain't cool.

[bsd1101]

the amount of apps on droid and iphone will always kick our ***. It doesn't help nokia sell their phones either because everyone wants these cool apps. Most people don't think about the stability/features of the phone itself. I'm the only techy person in my group of friends who even knows how to root a phone, when I show them my n900's stability all they see is their phones apps.

[PortaDiFerro]

I wouldn't carry a WP7 phone (Nokia or not) if you paid me. Agree that it will take low prices to tempt most people over to a Microsoft phone, cos they sure ain't cool.

I'm with you with that, but I also see that they have lot of potential for extra value by integrating with their other products such as Xbox live and Windows stuff. That will probably attract some people, and they may have a good chance selling services and games to those people.

Also I have no idea how good WP7 is, but since my only other MS product is old XP on dualboot and they probably won't even support syncing with Linux, I just can't fit myself in their target group even with a crowbar and a tube of lube.

[bsd1101]

I'm with you with that, but I also see that they have lot of potential for extra value by integrating with their other products such as Xbox live and Windows stuff. That will probably attract some people, and they may have a good chance selling services and games to those people.

Also I have no idea how good WP7 is, but since my only other MS product is old XP on dualboot and they probably won't even support syncing with Linux, I just can't fit myself in their target group even with a crowbar and a tube of lube.

I agree i think most people who love the n900 would not fit into their target group. We don't get suckered in because we are more technologically knowledgeable than the majority. If everyone was like us the phone market would be nothing like it is now.

[ericsson]

Problem (from my perspective anyway) is that even though I work in a highly technical environment, probably half of the developers here have iPhones, and many of them will just get the 5 when it's available.

A straw poll of a few colleagues gives reasons for continuing with the iPhone such as:

I'm too invested in my app store/iTunes experience to change now
App store has apps
It's an iPhone! (said tongue in cheek, but she's still gonna get the 5)


Obviously I don't consider any of these to be good reasons, but they do, and they won't be buying an N9 even after conceding that in many ways it is objectively more desirable than the 4 (and maybe even the 5).

I got the impression that in Europe Android, Symbian and plain old dumb phones are preferred in more technical environments, while the iPhone is the choice for journalists and lawyers and that kind of things. iPad on the other hand is popular among tech people for some odd reason I have yet to figure out. I know more people with iPads than people with iPhones when thinking about it.

[Rugoz]

...but that'd make it more expensive. Not saying you're wrong, but what is the power needed for (other than impressing people for whom spec is everything)?


Dual core and better graphics certainly would not hurt for some applications. But its ok as long as they don't try to make is as expensive as an iPhone. I'll buy it anyway, but for other people that is an issue.

[mscion]

Problem (from my perspective anyway) is that even though I work in a highly technical environment, probably half of the developers here have iPhones, and many of them will just get the 5 when it's available.

A straw poll of a few colleagues gives reasons for continuing with the iPhone such as:

I'm too invested in my app store/iTunes experience to change now
App store has apps
It's an iPhone! (said tongue in cheek, but she's still gonna get the 5)


Obviously I don't consider any of these to be good reasons, but they do, and they won't be buying an N9 even after conceding that in many ways it is objectively more desirable than the 4 (and maybe even the 5).
I think you make some good points. There is a lot of inertia to change and I don't think NOKIA has done a good job in staying in the game even if they make a superior product in many respects. I also work in a technical environment. Most "technical" people, that I know, including those that are very knowlegeable about linux have iphones. Many in management have BBs. Some of those linux people are getting a little tired of iphone but it is likely they will next go for android if they do decide to change. WP phones are nonexistent and nokia is invisible. I'm wondering if a better strategy for NOKIA would have been to,ok, swap symbian with windows and, I hate to say it, swap maemo/meego with android. From what I have read lately, interest in BB is begining to fall a little out of favor so, for the former, they would have to strongly link it to buisness of office applications, maybe xbox and other games so they have something to do at meetings... For the latter they could at least lay claim to having all the android apps (inferior or redundant as the may be by your view) and superior hardware. Ideally, for the android version make the bootloader unlocked so you could load maemo/meego or what ever flavor linux you want. Then the devlopers would be happy too as well as I!

[gerbick]

I'm with you with that, but I also see that they have lot of potential for extra value by integrating with their other products such as Xbox live and Windows stuff. That will probably attract some people, and they may have a good chance selling services and games to those people.

Also I have no idea how good WP7 is, but since my only other MS product is old XP on dualboot and they probably won't even support syncing with Linux, I just can't fit myself in their target group even with a crowbar and a tube of lube.

Here's what I don't personally get. I totally understand the unwillingness to embrace technology that you determine is inferior or doesn't suit your needs; however to do that without any usage and/or prior knowledge other than hearsay is rather odd. If you're going to be skeptical, then back it up with research.

I don't quite get it because if somebody says something against your platform of choice, people have a very quick tendency to state "You didn't do your research!" first.

I'm not saying go out, buy everything out there. But at least be able to knowledgeable discuss why you don't like things and why you hadn't looked at it. Otherwise, if you get pushed aside because your rhetoric is easily found repeated ad nauseum at slashdot.org, then folks will dismiss your contribution as a reviewer they'd pay attention to as well. Fanboys, early adopters and FOSS loyalists (not the ones that freely download never contribute, they don't matter mostly anyway) make up a very small buying metric out there.

We're enthusiasts. We'll buy a phone because it has a Linux kernel on it. Not that it means it's better. Or that it's great. But because of that one fact sometimes. And we're a percentage of a percentage, small change.

Ask Nokia.

Do your research. It doesn't hurt.

[erendorn]

We're enthusiasts. We'll buy a phone because it has a Linux kernel on it. Not that it means it's better. Or that it's great. But because of that one fact sometimes. And we're a percentage of a percentage, small change.
It's sad because it's true.

[Rugoz]

Also work in the technical field and most with smartphones have an android phone now. Some have an iphone. One has a nokia n8. From what I know most android buyers are not enthusiasts, they just buy android cause there is no other alternative to the iphone. And a lot of people don't even consider nokia to be a player, because they weren't smartphone buyers at the time nokia was king. Still I know people who bought smartphones before the iphone, and I guess they'd be willing to come back to nokia if they'd offer a compelling device.

[PortaDiFerro]

Here's what I don't personally get. I totally understand the unwillingness to embrace technology that you determine is inferior or doesn't suit your needs; however to do that without any usage and/or prior knowledge other than hearsay is rather odd. If you're going to be skeptical, then back it up with research.

I don't quite get it because if somebody says something against your platform of choice, people have a very quick tendency to state "You didn't do your research!" first.

I'm not saying go out, buy everything out there. But at least be able to knowledgeable discuss why you don't like things and why you hadn't looked at it. Otherwise, if you get pushed aside because your rhetoric is easily found repeated ad nauseum at slashdot.org, then folks will dismiss your contribution as a reviewer they'd pay attention to as well. Fanboys, early adopters and FOSS loyalists (not the ones that freely download never contribute, they don't matter mostly anyway) make up a very small buying metric out there.

We're enthusiasts. We'll buy a phone because it has a Linux kernel on it. Not that it means it's better. Or that it's great. But because of that one fact sometimes. And we're a percentage of a percentage, small change.

Ask Nokia.

Do your research. It doesn't hurt.

Yea, I'm quite agreeing with you on most points. Dissing competitors is rather immature. I don't much see the need for that, as I was saying what little I know of WP7 it does have potential and afaik it's even gotten rather positive reviews.

After Nokias announcement I was doing lot of soul searching and was even considering giving WP7 development a shot (I know!! *shiver*), but then in the end I realized they don't have SDK for Linux anyway and in every way it's concentrated around their own product portfolio, so I just don't see the point trying to force myself into that mold even if the product was awesome.

And I don't think that makes me better than those hundreds of millions that fits in it perfectly, I just have different needs! :)

Anyways, dammit it's easy to get derailed off topic!! Sorry about that, now lets get back to N9 gossip :)

[gerbick]

Yea, I'm quite agreeing with you on most points. Dissing competitors is rather immature. I don't much see the need for that, as I was saying what little I know of WP7 it does have potential and afaik it's even gotten rather positive reviews.

Just to clarify, I wasn't really pointing you out despite quoting you. It was just an odd thing I had been wanted to address.

Not that opinion is bad - hell, feel free. I just... had to point it out.

But to say something... with a WP7 phone, the positive reviews are mostly due to the perceived quickness in the UI. I can say that's somewhat true, but it's not exactly a bug-free experience.

[catbus]

Hey, wake up!

Why do not you let things be? Upcoming iPhone, WP7 and Android phones will not prevent success in the N9.

Let us wait for the end of September in peace.

Use the Force

[gerbick]

Let us wait for the end of September in peace.

The days of announcing and waiting need to be over. By September, there will be a confirmed release of iOS 5, Google Ice Cream will have been shown, MeeGo 1.3 will be nearing final and who knows what else will have been released or about to come out. Hell, Mango for WP7 will be almost out.

And by that time, my lust for even a N950 might have subsided if I can find a gadget that fits my needs and has availability to match.

Nokia's ****ing it up. Again.

[daperl]

Hey, wake up!

Don't you mean, "Hey, we'll wake you when it's really here."?

Why do not you let things be?

Best sentence/question ever.

Upcoming iPhone, WP7 and Android phones will not prevent success in the N9.

Thanks.

Let us wait for the end of September in peace.

You need to beg. You're not begging.

Use the Force

Always.

[danramos]

Hey, wake up!

Why do not you let things be? Upcoming iPhone, WP7 and Android phones will not prevent success in the N9.

Let us wait for the end of September in peace.

Use the Force

Agreed. The N9 itself will prevent the success in the N9, the rest juat provide the competition to it. :P

http://www.lolcats.com/images/u/07/26/lolcatsdotcomu41kxal7bsdphere.jpg

[jalyst]

and that is one of the most stupid thing about n9 why the **** is this not included?
that could be a good sell argument. even E7 has it :mad:
I guess there was some stupid people behind this I am sure they could include it and even that it is on the board but not included in the endline cause then it would be better than upcoming WPsuckphone

Abbra's confirmed that MHL's not implemented.
But I still hope that one day MHL will be do-able through a license + fw update, that enables it in the necessary hardware, which is already there.
Wishful thinking but one can dream.... sigh :(

-X7 looks way better
-No real keyboard

That's it?
Has a keyboard so you think the X7's better than the N9?
I'm not sure how "overall" you see the X7 as "better" :confused:
What about the OS & other aspect of the hardware?

-Doesn't look handier then maemo

Not sure what you mean, Harmattan's still very much Maemo...
Plus there's plans afoot to tweak all of the big UI changes from maemo5, so we can switch back to older(better) paradigms if we want.
But overall the UI changes are vastly better (at least for a handset) IMO.

Dual core and better graphics certainly would not hurt for some applications. But its ok as long as they don't try to make is as expensive as an iPhone. I'll buy it anyway, but for other people that is an issue.

Yeah if they price it similarly to iP5 (even iP4) they're sunk.
Only Apple can get away with "priceyness" & have people believe it's a bargain.
But they will price it stupidly, because they don't "really" want it to be successful.
I'll still buy it so long as it's not "super crazy" pricing, & so long as it's local by 30/09.
Any later and I'm done with Nokia...

I'm wondering if a better strategy for NOKIA would have been to,ok, swap symbian with windows and, I hate to say it, swap maemo/meego with android

Or they could stop ignoring Myriad, who've been trying to convince Nokia to license Alien Dalvik & integrate it. :rolleyes:

Many Android users who've invested much time/$ into the android ecosystem...
Could be coerced into giving N9/Meego a go, if Nokia plugged Alien Dalvik really hard.
Have you guys read how well that thing works? It's bloody impressive...

But I'm convinced senior management don't want the N9 to be "too" successful, so they won't open that flood gate.
I also don't buy the argument that it'd mortally wound QT/apps if they did that...

[jalyst]

The days of announcing and waiting need to be over. By September, there will be a confirmed release of iOS 5, Google Ice Cream will have been shown, MeeGo 1.3 will be nearing final and who knows what else will have been released or about to come out. Hell, Mango for WP7 will be almost out.
And by that time, my lust for even a N950 might have subsided if I can find a gadget that fits my needs and has availability to match.
Nokia's ****ing it up. Again.

Hallelujah, I don't think I've ever agreed with you more. :D
Nokia NEEDS TO DELIVER, time is srsly running out!!
In so many ways it has already really....

Agreed. The N9 itself will prevent the success in the N9, the rest juat provide the competition to it. :P

ROFL :D

[scapegoat845]

New ads:

http://www.youtube.com/nokia

[jalyst]

^Not a fan, why so freaking short/disjointed...

I assume it's to highlight how wonderfully efficient/useful the swipe UI will (supposedly) be in our hectic lives.
But I personally would rather see something longer, that really showcases/explains more of what it's all about.
iPhone users are gunna go: "Huh? Me no understand..."

[gerbick]

New ads:

http://www.youtube.com/nokia

World's quickest ads? Not hardly.

Miller High Life Beer had 1 second commercials... all collected here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qj0BJZuLlY&feature=related).

[scapegoat845]

World's quickest ads? Not hardly.

Miller High Life Beer had 1 second commercials... all collected here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qj0BJZuLlY&feature=related).

U have an answer for everything, huh ? :D

[gerbick]

U have an answer for everything, huh ? :D

Can't explain to you why Nokia decided to limit the release of the N950 nor go with Windows Phone 7. Those two questions have me scratching my head.

[meego99]

Nokia n9 spiked and then precipitously went down in interest....hmm mm

http://www.google.com/trends?q=nokia+n8%2C+nokia+n9%2C+iphone+4%2C+nokia +e6&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

[tissot]

Nokia n9 spiked and then precipitously went down in interest....hmm mm

http://www.google.com/trends?q=nokia+n8%2C+nokia+n9%2C+iphone+4%2C+nokia +e6&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

Hmm is this the only thing you will contribute to these threads?

[momcilo]

Nokia n9 spiked and then precipitously went down in interest....hmm mm

http://www.google.com/trends?q=nokia+n8%2C+nokia+n9%2C+iphone+4%2C+nokia +e6&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

Pure brutality!

Let's see how android (http://www.google.com/trends?q=nokia+n8%2C+nokia+n9%2C+iphone+4%2C+nokia +e6%2C+android&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0) stands.

[davidmaxwaterman]

Is there a way to type a pipe character?

[jalyst]

Nokia n9 spiked and then precipitously went down in interest....hmm mm

http://www.google.com/trends?q=nokia+n8%2C+nokia+n9%2C+iphone+4%2C+nokia +e6&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

I wonder why that is Nokia... sigh... :(

That's it... :mad:

I'm going on a mission to find out from devs/management where things really are at, internally.
If I find evidence that things are being artificially delayed in the slightest, I'm going to leak to all major media outlets.

Wish me luck comrades! :D

[meego99]

Pure brutality!

Let's see how android (http://www.google.com/trends?q=nokia+n8%2C+nokia+n9%2C+iphone+4%2C+nokia +e6%2C+android&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0) stands.

How about if we add just iphone, so that it is not just specific to iphone 4.....hmmmmmmm


http://www.google.com/trends?q=nokia+n8%2C+nokia+n9%2C+iphone+4%2C+andro id%2C+iphone&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

[meego99]

To be fair I also added NOKIA, as you can see NOKIA has been pretty steady overall, coming in number 2 position after iphone trends, android is third.....

If you blow up the 2011: http://www.google.com/trends?q=nokia+n9%2C+iphone+4%2C+android%2C+iphone %2C+nokia&ctab=0&geo=all&date=2011&sort=1

it does look like android has an upward trend, but the most interesting is N9, huge spike when announced, but unlike N8, it did not sustain it but petered out.........hmmmmmmm....perhaps people do not want to jump on a dead end platform...doesnt bode well for N9

[davidmaxwaterman]

Give me a reason to like it.

Well, the sound quality (on headphones) has constantly blown me away - in comparison to iPhone4 (brief comparison) and N900 (extensive) anyway.

[somedude]

Well, the sound quality (on headphones) has constantly blown me away - in comparison to iPhone4 (brief comparison) and N900 (extensive) anyway.

a possibility of getting used to?

[somedude]

all i would like to know is why did they not include the vagina clock? i was actually looking forward to it.
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=652687&postcount=1

[davidmaxwaterman]

a possibility of getting used to?

I'm not sure I understand you...

[steveburczymucha]

Pure brutality!

Let's see how android (http://www.google.com/trends?q=nokia+n8%2C+nokia+n9%2C+iphone+4%2C+nokia +e6%2C+android&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0) stands.

@gsmarena still tops 'by daily interest' stats

btw: nothing new popped out on n9, ppl read everything they could.

[lma]

New ads:

http://www.youtube.com/nokia

Hm, I think I get what they were trying to say (except the swipe one, unless the point was "just like hard work") but I think the execution completely fails to deliver the message.

[mikecomputing]

The days of announcing and waiting need to be over. By September, there will be a confirmed release of iOS 5, Google Ice Cream will have been shown, MeeGo 1.3 will be nearing final and who knows what else will have been released or about to come out. Hell, Mango for WP7 will be almost out.

And by that time, my lust for even a N950 might have subsided if I can find a gadget that fits my needs and has availability to match.

Nokia's ****ing it up. Again.

Well lets see if Meego 1.3 is in sync with latest Qt libs and tracker from harmattan. I doubt.... There is not even a ready compliance spec for 1.2 yet...

soo you can remove meego 1.3 from your list harmattan is more like "Meego 1.4". Without it Meego is just bigfail (atleast on handsets)....

[mikecomputing]

Nokia n9 spiked and then precipitously went down in interest....hmm mm

http://www.google.com/trends?q=nokia+n8%2C+nokia+n9%2C+iphone+4%2C+nokia +e6&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

ask MrFlop he definitly knows why :mad: