N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!

[juanenrique]

http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/06/21/introducing-the-nokia-n9-all-it-takes-is-a-swipe/?cid=ncomblogs-fw-scl-na-bsm-na-twitter-g0-en-na&sf1671716=1

http://youtu.be/KSwJUzQA448

...enjoy... =)

EDIT: as requested by dansus:

http://shootspeak.com/2011/06/24/nokia-n9-extra-facts-tidbits-updates/

EDIT: as requested by many, title change... :rolleyes:

FURTHER EDIT: title change... yay!

[HELLASISGREECE]

I want my DALI dammit

[gorgezilla]

whoaaaa

http://press.nokia.com/wp-content/uploads/mediaplugin/doc/1-nokia-n9-data-sheet.pdf

and

http://swipe.nokia.com/

seems cool....expecting non-based extra opinions against it...

[Waynder]

no keyboard--- thanx... ill pass.... if i wanted something like that i would get samsung galaxy -.-

[miqu]

Short presentation in Finnish:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GmCxWwKcIs

My first impression is its nice but I do hope I get an N950 version.

[excelar8]

Galaxy S2 is superior by almost all aspects

[tissot]

harmattan UI
http://nokiagadgets.com/?p=1746

And best 4min video so far (in English).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSZssHGR-Qg&feature=player_embedded

[glabifrons]

I figured this makes more sense here than in post 6786 of the thread from h3||!

http://swipe.nokia.com/
http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/06/21/introducing-the-nokia-n9-all-it-takes-is-a-swipe
http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/06/21/nokia-steps-it-up-a-gear-with-new-accessories
http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-n9-00/specifications
http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/MeeGo/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfE3B6L-Otw
http://www.developer.nokia.com/swipe/ux/pages/getting_started.html


(now how long 'til the mods merge these threads and make the information inaccessible to anyone but the few obsessed among us?)

[msa]

harmattan UI
http://nokiagadgets.com/?p=1746

And best 4min video so far (in English).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSZssHGR-Qg&feature=player_embedded
just watched this video (is that the same guy that first presented us the n900? sounds like him)

anyway: so there is no classic desktop anymore?

[droll]

no keyboard?! NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i'll pass

[ossipena]

has someone got N950 already?

[attila77]

Galaxy S2 is superior by almost all aspects

Try it, then decide. Galaxy S2 is made to look great on paper/specs. The N9 is made to look great live.

[ejasmudar]

Now what I need to know is, will Meego-DE/CE for N900 have the N9 UIX? Right now the default Meego UI sucks. This may help a lot of people to shift to Meego on their N900s

[Dragoss91]

no hwkb
no fm transmitter
no ir port
no notification led
just 1 ghz cpu
no flash (yet)

I dont like it , I think n900 it's much more professional phone , this n9 looks like a phone for everyone , just like most of androids . Maybe the os is better than maemo , but the phone has 2010 specs .

[tissot]

Try it, then decide. Galaxy S2 is made to look great on paper/specs. The N9 is made to look great live.

As a old GS owner tell me about it!
That said i believe they have fixed the file system that made GS lag, one reason i sold it after 5 months and GS2 got by far the best video playback in the industry, even compared to tablets.


Though i got a tablet already to do the HDMI out stuff so this phone might do it for me because the UI and multitasking is in a different level to Android.
Not 100% sure yet, but far from the negativity some here have towards this device.

[ibnhibinta]

its so beautiful and has nice design.
butt lack of keyboard is disappointing.
:mad:

[naninenu]

Now what I need to know is, will Meego-DE/CE for N900 have the N9 UIX? Right now the default Meego UI sucks. This may help a lot of people to shift to Meego on their N900s

Exactly my question too.
Can the software/UI/cool swipe features be backported to N900 ???

[SD69]

Now what I need to know is, will Meego-DE/CE for N900 have the N9 UIX? Right now the default Meego UI sucks. The N900 MeeGo DE/CE is not an official Nokia product and is not scheduled to get the N9 UIX (which may be closed source anyway). And yes the MeeGo UI sucks. I would stick to Maemo 5 UI on N900.

[TheLongshot]

I said it before and I'll say it again: no keyboard, no sale. Guess I have no temptation to get rid of my N900.

[zb88]

all u dumb mofos were told months before that consumer device will not have hardware keyboard, now please STFU, don't want it fine move on nothing to see. why keep spamming every post with same rant.

[iceman358]

My question is towards Nokia mostly,
Could they release the harmattan UI to n900?
I mean as an update.
I believe the phone would actually work with that stuff.
(and they have not done much of supporting for n900 for over 2 years)

[SAABoy]

I figured this makes more sense here than in post 6786 of the thread from h3||!




(now how long 'til the mods merge these threads and make the information inaccessible to anyone but the few obsessed among us?)

i opened ur post. added shortcut to my desktop so i can check out all these links at tea break. i love n900, so easy to make that shortcut.

[eikido]

I still haven't found the hardware specs?
1 Ghz and 1gb ram is what i've found?

[nwerneck]

Is this running Linux or what? Fsck the swipe, does it come with xterm?

[juanenrique]

I still haven't found the hardware specs?
1 Ghz and 1gb ram is what i've found?

http://press.nokia.com/wp-content/uploads/mediaplugin/doc/1-nokia-n9-data-sheet.pdf

[zdanee]

- No keyboard. How come? Way to blow it...
- My N900 can go at 1.15GHz too.
- No desktop. This is the new way of UI-s: nothing in the system, just a fancy application launcher, just like iOS or WP7. This is as far away from the original NIT concept as is gets. I can think of my N810 or N900 as a scaled down linux box, but not on this one.
- New UI is even more strictly closed than Maemo.
- No FM transmitter, no IR. So nobody uses televisions I guess, of FM in their car.
- No resistive screen -> no Mypaint, no easydebian anymore (this was kinda coming, I admit, but dang it, add an active digitalizer layer like in the HTC Flyer!)
- Fixed battery. Nobody expects this to go on for 2 days on a charge with a poweruser. Also no more Mugen battery and hackability options.
- Until I see a terminal with root access, this is no better off than an iDevice in my eyes.

I admit, it looks good, it seems to be a nice phone, but the N900 was so much more, than a mere phone. This is in league with the Android and iDevice crowd, and that was the point of it, I know, but in the meantime it lost its own appeal. Now I can go out and choose a qwerty Android. Or keep my N900 till it falls apart.

[ejasmudar]

The N900 MeeGo DE/CE is not an official Nokia product and is not scheduled to get the N9 UIX (which may be closed source anyway). And yes the MeeGo UI sucks. I would stick to Maemo 5 UI on N900.

Oh well. :(

Cordia it is then. Unless somebody takes inspiration from Harmattan and makes a different UIX

[Mentalist Traceur]

Tempting. But I don't see them advertising amazingly up to date flash compatibility, which suggests there isn't any.

FM Transmitter and IR port I could live without; better specs and NFC hardware beyond what we already have would be nice. UI looks like something I could easily like just as much as hildon IF I hadn't had time to get used to hildon.

However, until an input method that requires NO visual feedback is available, I simply can't be completely okay without a hardware keyboard.

I also note that N900 marketing was pretty good at emphasizing the it's-a-computer aspects... this, less so.

If I have a steady income when the time comes, I might buy one, but I doubt it would replace my N900 as a primary device.

*Sigh* I want an upgradeable plug-n-play phone hardware concept to actually be realized and put out into the market.

If the N900 hadn't gotten me so in love with the concept of almost-instantly-rootable, relatively-open almost-desktop Linux on a phone, I would probably bite.

*Shrug* I'll keep watching, like I did with the N900. If the N9 is amazing and similarly 'free', I might just invest in one. But I don't really see myself doing so just yet.

Also, to every N900 user - you still have my promise that no matter what, as long as I can, I will maintain development/support of everything I write/port for the N900 and put in the repositories. I might someday get an N9 and it might, if it turns out suitable for my needs/wants, become my primary device, but I will not be one of those devs/maintainers who moves on and slowly abandons the users of the previous generation device.

[StefanL]

Both (N9 and N950) will have OMAP3.

More details:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4461/nokia-n9-n950-officially-announced-meego-running-atop-omap-3630

[9000]

No keyboard and non-replaceable battery....

The commanding voice of Elop "make the first MeeGo device failed" echoing in my head.

EDIT: Oh I just saw the spec. of N950. A developer device with hardware keyboard, sweet. I'm on it.

[xenkof]

Nokia FAILS on hardware again.
CPU is just an up-specked N900 (36xx vs 34xx) still one core.

GPU is the same with N900 PowerVR530. Only thing going is that it has more RAM.

Screen resolution is the same just 3.9" AMOLED.

So, will somebody tell my why this is worth my money instead of sticking to my N900 o/c to 1 GHz?

Also N950 has been announced which is more or less the same, plus keyboard minus AMOLED (Just TFT on same resolution).

[nwerneck]

So great, they have finally announced this device. Finally. And it is pretty much what we were expecting for the "consumer" device. Expecting for what, 1 month, 2?

I guess Jessie's Girl is pretty much RIP, then?... I'll cry for her, you can bet.

Now... "Click here and we will let you know when it hit the stores"? Ha ha. Sorry, I am not going to wait. I was expecting for ANYTHING soon. Any new Linux based "mobile computer" soon. hwkb or not, single or dual core, good or bad camera. I was going to buy the first "N900 successor" they put out. But it had to be now, immediately. Not going for a x weeks/months/quarters wait for that. Ciao.

[attila77]

The N900 MeeGo DE/CE is not an official Nokia product and is not scheduled to get the N9 UIX (which may be closed source anyway). And yes the MeeGo UI sucks. I would stick to Maemo 5 UI on N900.

Note that it would be *nowhere* as zippy on the N900, you might overclock the CPU, but GPU is more sensitive and where you fall flat is the memory - 256 is way, way, way too little for the way the Harmattan UI is meant to be used.

[Peter@Maemo Marketing]

Note that it would be *nowhere* as zippy on the N900, you might overclock the CPU, but GPU is more sensitive and where you fall flat is the memory - 256 is way, way, way too little for the way the Harmattan UI is meant to be used.

Hint: It's a 1 GB of RAM! Not 256MB...

[GreatGonzo]

Hint: It's a 1 GB of RAM! Not 256MB...

That's the point attila77 is making.

[juanenrique]

i'll go out on a limb here, but maybe that's because i'm a normal user (no developer, no power user -yet, no linux know-it-all)... but i think that this phone is the best that can happen to meego... let me explain: more mass-market appeal = more mass-market reach = more sales volume = more attractiveness to develop the meego ecosystem = more meego devices, including those oriented to developers... result: to prevent what happened to n900 -> one device for power users with no consumer base and therefore a relatively small ecosystem.

...but of course i may be wrong... =P

[zdanee]

i'll go out on a limb here, but maybe that's because i'm a normal user (no developer, no power user -yet, no linux know-it-all)... but i think that this phone is the best that can happen to meego... let me explain: more mass-market appeal = more mass-market reach = more sales volume = more attractiveness to develop the meego ecosystem = more meego devices, including those oriented to developers... result: to prevent what happened to n900 -> one device for power users with no consumer base and therefore a relatively small ecosystem.

...but of course i may be wrong... =P

Yeah, N9 can be the slut girl of the NIT family who runs with the cool guys and put her legs apart to them ... as long as she gets a proper little sister who falls for the red-hair-freckles-glasses-geek-guys :)

[cruster]

i'll go out on a limb here, but maybe that's because i'm a normal user (no developer, no power user -yet, no linux know-it-all)... but i think that this phone is the best that can happen to meego... let me explain: more mass-market appeal = more mass-market reach = more sales volume = more attractiveness to develop the meego ecosystem = more meego devices, including those oriented to developers... result: to prevent what happened to n900 -> one device for power users with no consumer base and therefore a relatively small ecosystem.

...but of course i may be wrong... =P

And more apps for N900 if we get meego, or if porting apps from meego is easy...

[juanenrique]

And more apps for N900 if we get meego, or if porting apps from meego is easy...

...that's the idea of the ecosystem...

[tissot]

Nokia FAILS on hardware again.
CPU is just an up-specked N900 (36xx vs 34xx) still one core.

GPU is the same with N900 PowerVR530. Only thing going is that it has more RAM.

Screen resolution is the same just 3.9" AMOLED.

So, will somebody tell my why this is worth my money instead of sticking to my N900 o/c to 1 GHz?

Also N950 has been announced which is more or less the same, plus keyboard minus AMOLED (Just TFT on same resolution).

Again it's not just a overclocked OMAP3430.
CPU's scale is 45nm on OMAP36xx and 65 on OMAP34xx. Those are totally different cores.

Think more about where you can overclock OMAP36xx rather than thinking how much overclocked OMAP34xx compares to stock OMAP36xx. ;)
For the RAM discussion i would guess it's 512 and rest is swap or?

Though i agree that i would pick the qwerty N950 over N9, but not so much that i would pay much extra for it so i'll be just getting N9.

[AlMehdi]

i'll go out on a limb here, but maybe that's because i'm a normal user (no developer, no power user -yet, no linux know-it-all)... but i think that this phone is the best that can happen to meego... let me explain: more mass-market appeal = more mass-market reach = more sales volume = more attractiveness to develop the meego ecosystem = more meego devices, including those oriented to developers... result: to prevent what happened to n900 -> one device for power users with no consumer base and therefore a relatively small ecosystem.

...but of course i may be wrong... =P

Yes, you are.. cause such devices already exists and have been made by other brands... so why bother? That device does not make me want it.. the only great thing about it is the 1024 ram which was the only real flaw of the N900.

edit: But then.. i just want a portable linux device that can take calls...

[Stonik]

MeeGo for masses, it seems.

[juanenrique]

Yes, you are.. cause such devices already exists and have been made by other brands... so why bother? That device does not make me want it.. the only great thing about it is the 1024 ram which was the only real flaw of the N900.

edit: But then.. i just want a portable linux device that can take calls...


...maybe you're right and i am wrong... but again, such meego (or even maemo) devices did not exist (until now) and it might appeal to a segment that is neither android nor apple oriented... it's a new contender in the mass-market... i'd say give it a chance and a fair amount of time...

[benny1967]

Mhm... so, after reading the websites and watching the videos: What's the disruptive thing about it?

It's a very simple phone. It cannot do many of the things my current Symbian or N900 can do. There's nothing new to it. At least nothing we know of, and I somewhat doubt the big bang is yet to be announced.

People kept hinting that there'll be something special about the screen that will make me "not miss the hardware keyboard"... doesn't look like it.

So - yes, it's a GNU/Linux based phone (thank god!), but I fail to see the huge leap forward I had expected after reading posts from those in the know. Those who had access to the prototypes. In fact, with all the things missing.... :(

I'll buy it, anyway. If ever it becomes available.

[tkatchev]

I fail to see anything GNU/Linux about this phone.

Mhm... so, after reading the websites and watching the videos: What's the disruptive thing about it?

It's a very simple phone. It cannot do many of the things my current Symbian or N900 can do. There's nothing new to it. At least nothing we know of, and I somewhat doubt the big bang is yet to be announced.

People kept hinting that there'll be something special about the screen that will make me "not miss the hardware keyboard"... doesn't look like it.

So - yes, it's a GNU/Linux based phone (thank god!), but I fail to see the huge leap forward I had expected after reading posts from those in the know. Those who had access to the prototypes. In fact, with all the things missing.... :(

I'll buy it, anyway. If ever it becomes available.

[Peter@Maemo Marketing]

Mhm... so, after reading the websites and watching the videos: What's the disruptive thing about it?

It's a very simple phone. It cannot do many of the things my current Symbian or N900 can do. There's nothing new to it. At least nothing we know of, and I somewhat doubt the big bang is yet to be announced.

People kept hinting that there'll be something special about the screen that will make me "not miss the hardware keyboard"... doesn't look like it.

So - yes, it's a GNU/Linux based phone (thank god!), but I fail to see the huge leap forward I had expected after reading posts from those in the know. Those who had access to the prototypes. In fact, with all the things missing.... :(

I'll buy it, anyway. If ever it becomes available.

Just for clarification: the whole thing about future disruptions is about what comes after the N9, not the N9 itself. The N9 is very much about world's firsts: all-screen phone, webkit2 browser, 8 MPIX camera with 16:9 wide angle lens, Dolby Headset support...

[droll]

despite all the criticisms, i actually hope the N9 will help Nokia make enough money to convince them to pour more resources into Meego and a TRUE N900 successor. let's hope for the best. from this perspective, i understand why the N9 looks more like an iPhone than the N900.

[Frappacino]

Those "leakers" are a fking joke lol.

Did all they could to hint at something "special", but nothing is "special".

And they did it knowing that most ppl here will be disappointed...

... they are worse then abill_uk hah

Mhm... so, after reading the websites and watching the videos: What's the disruptive thing about it?

It's a very simple phone. It cannot do many of the things my current Symbian or N900 can do. There's nothing new to it. At least nothing we know of, and I somewhat doubt the big bang is yet to be announced.

People kept hinting that there'll be something special about the screen that will make me "not miss the hardware keyboard"... doesn't look like it.

So - yes, it's a GNU/Linux based phone (thank god!), but I fail to see the huge leap forward I had expected after reading posts from those in the know. Those who had access to the prototypes. In fact, with all the things missing.... :(

I'll buy it, anyway. If ever it becomes available.

[cicer]

I want to see how good the photos are with 8MP+fcamera/Blessn900

[cheve]

for my use case, i want USB hostmode. does N9 or the N950 support it?

[tkatchev]

Something tells me that the N900 will be far and away more popular and make more money than the so-called 'consumer-friendly' N9.


despite all the criticisms, i actually hope the N9 will help Nokia make enough money to convince them to pour more resources into Meego and a TRUE N900 successor. let's hope for the best. from this perspective, i understand why the N9 looks more like an iPhone than the N900.

[Boemien]

What makes this N9 different from other phones?? We wanted a Unique phone, not a every-body-can-use-it phone.
And no keyboard??? Pfff, anybody have news about the N950??

[ironm8]

WOW!
It has MMS out of the box! ;p

[Rauha]

For the RAM discussion i would guess it's 512 and rest is swap or?


Five posts above yours, Peter says "It's a 1 GB of RAM".

[Glasswalker]

fresh from engadget:

N950 (http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/21/nokias-n950-developer-meego-handset-gets-official-4-inch-displ/)

doesn't sound to joyfull for me as I'm no developer. Seems to me that the N950 won't be available to the mass-market. Damn....

Regards,
Glasswalker

[Jedibeeftrix]

I am sold, I really am, but the GPU on the Omap3 SoC is totally underpowered, and a qHD screen at 960x540 would not have been to much to ask.

don't think i was a million miles away:

http://jedibeeftrix.wordpress.com/2010/06/06/ultimate-convergance-device-nokia-and-the-meego-tablet-phone/

the screen and dual-core might well have arrived with the n9 had it not been for the elopcalypse, but i am not unhappy considering what happened.

[attila77]

I fail to see anything GNU/Linux about this phone.

Probably because 99% of people who watched the demo couldn't have cared less if Marko Ahtisaari opened a console, did a sudo gainroot and ps uxaw-d (which he could have done). Sorry, you don't need a major media/press event for that. Now, get the SDK (http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/Introduction.html), take a look and then say the original remark to my face :)

[tkatchev]

Sorry, if I have to 'download an SDK' to start developing, then it isn't GNU/Linux.

Can I develop directly on-board the device?

Probably because 99% of people who watched the demo couldn't have cared less if Marko Ahtisaari opened a console, did a sudo gainroot and ps uxaw-d (which he could have done). Sorry, you don't need a major media/press event for that. Now, get the SDK (http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/Introduction.html), take a look and then say the original remark to my face :)

[tissot]

Those "leakers" are a fking joke lol.

Though they got many things right but just as i said "disruptive" and "special" and all that is written by some people who don't ever expect people to go so deep on what the words mean.

They are just words, don't take them as a some gospel from above.

Something i have learned long time ago fallowing Nokia rumors. :D This isn't even bad compared to the Symbian rumors for past 3 years hinting all kind of amazing stuff, but in the end the devices have been nothing like said.

Five posts above yours, Peter says "It's a 1 GB of RAM".

Yes i noticed that but so did the marketing people say about N900. While they where technically right it really had 256mb and rest was swap. Here i think we got 512mb and rest is swap.

Is there any manufacturer who got 1gb of RAM on a OMAP3630? Is it even possible?

[mbo]

http://thehandheldblog.com/2011/06/21/nokia-n9-availiability-india/

Is this for real or is this a joke?

[sinaisix]

JAN900...Just Another N900...Hype, sell, abandon users...Nokia #fail

[F2thaK]

no keyboard, no thanks

[salawat]

the only good thing this phone has is its OS which is meego, everything else for me is not good. sorry Nokia, no keyboard killed it for me.

[tissot]

http://thehandheldblog.com/2011/06/21/nokia-n9-availiability-india/

Is this for real or is this a joke?

Hmm that is interesting.
Somebody mentioned N9 would not come to the first countries to get WP. Supposedly the first patch of Windows Phones got almost identical phone shell wise to N9 coming out.

N900 was very big in Finland, the land of Nokia and linux so i could now actually see why WP wont find it's way here Finland on the first wave while N9 will.
Leave N9 out of the markets where it's not even worth it and Nokia is pushing WP hard.

[zlatokosi]

Just for clarification: the whole thing about future disruptions is about what comes after the N9, not the N9 itself. The N9 is very much about world's firsts: all-screen phone, webkit2 browser, 8 MPIX camera with 16:9 wide angle lens, Dolby Headset support...

I'll give you the 16:9 lens and Dolby Headset, but...

1. The N900 was Nokia's first all-screen phone. Why so many people are concentrating on this aspect as new is spooky.

2. Is the webkit2 browser really better than microb? Really?

[F2thaK]

just watched that 4 minute vid, and i think its an EPIC phone. too bad I want a tablet. be good as a second device just as a phone.!! I like it!!!

[mmlado]

F**k!!! Still no integrated toaster!

:D

[niqbal]

looks a great device but after a long wait, not a worthy successor to n900. People expected something like this about an year ago not at the end of 2011. Lets see if it will suffer from performance issues like n900 or have nokia learned their lesson

[Rugoz]

The device looks really sexy, so thumbs up for the design departement. The specs would have been great a year ago, especially CPU and GPU.
So a major disappointment here, especially for this community.
I will still buy it if the UI runs absolutely fluid with no hickups and the browser is fast.

[nathaneous]

Just had a look at the UI hand-ons demo in youtube...it looks nice but lacks the user creativeness feel of the n900? From what i can see, you can no longer customize a set of desktops with widgets etc...?

Can anyone confirm this, because at the moment the phone UI looks like a combination of win7phone and iphone....

[Rauha]

Yes i noticed that but so did the marketing people say about N900. While they where technically right it really had 256mb and rest was swap. Here i think we got 512mb and rest is swap.

N900 was marketed as "Up to 1GB of application memory (256 MB RAM, 768 MB virtual memory)", not as 1GB of RAM.

[Frappacino]

To all

http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3598

Qqil provides some answers there and below

Questions asked in my blog:

Are there any details of how open / hacker-friendly it is? A bit of Googling hasn’t brought anything up. E.g:

> can I open a terminal, wget an unsigned package file and install it?

I haven't tried, but you can do it this way if you have all the pieces: terminal app (it's open source and maintained) and wget (not sure if it comes with Busybox out of the idem). I'm installing packages directly from the browser, by clicking .deb links. Very convenient. This is not the behavior by default but you can enable it through the settings UI.

> can I submit a bug report or patch that may get into a firmware update?

Yes, but give us a bit of extra time to post the URL.

> are any of the N9′s applications open source?

The default approach is to have a Nokia proprietary UX layer including the applications.

> can I run Python / PHP in the terminal?

If someone ports the libraries, yes.

> are standard bash/busybox/GNU tools available?

Busybox 3:1.19-7+0m6

Right, so Busybox and bash appear as green (upgraded compared from Fremantle) while wget is blue (available in Harmattan, was not there in Fremantle).

The sources are available at http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/

The community contributions are expected to be delivered through apps.meego.com and the related MeeGo community OBS, both having a MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan target. More at http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Apps

Users need to install the Terminal app. Installing packages and their repositories is trivial through the browser, though.

The open/closed approach continues being open platform (maybe with exceptions) and closed UX. If there is a components that appears closed and you want to see open RIGHT NOW is the best time to start discussing. The best argumentation is that the MeeGo project is interested in integrate that functionality, as it has been the case for over a year now.

About how the meego.com and nokia.com repos will coexist: as you can see them already now? MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan uses its own infrastructure (just like all vendors are expected to have their own infra, even if they are 100% MeeGo compliant). The community apps can have a common public interface thanks to Community OBS and apps.meego.com cleverness.

[skinny]

Just for clarification: the whole thing about future disruptions is about what comes after the N9, not the N9 itself. The N9 is very much about world's firsts: all-screen phone, webkit2 browser, 8 MPIX camera with 16:9 wide angle lens, Dolby Headset support...

Maybe it's just me, but those aren't very impressive "world's firsts"... got any others?

[Frappacino]

Maybe it's just me, but those aren't very impressive "world's firsts"... got any others?

first phone with 7000 + anticipation post thread?

[Peter@Maemo Marketing]

Maybe it's just me, but those aren't very impressive "world's firsts"... got any others?

You seem to be hard sell. No, it doesn't have artificial intelligence with 3D holographic display that can read your mind. Well in this challenging case, I recommend holding it in your hands and trying it out. It's like nothing before yet it's instantly easy to use.

[erendorn]

Well in this challenging case, I recommend holding it in your hands and trying it out.

I wish I could ;)

[ossipena]

Maybe it's just me, but those aren't very impressive "world's firsts"... got any others?

don't worry, these feelings are perfectly normal after reading 7000 posts from N9 anticipation thread. there are always huge speculations about mindblowing things, one should always take them with a grain of salt.

it is good to see that swipe features have been implemented more, I like them a lot in M5

[Jedibeeftrix]

so, how soon can i have it in my hands?

and do the lower specs suggest a lower retail price (£300 rather than £450)?

[zlatokosi]

You seem to be hard sell. No, it doesn't have artificial intelligence with 3D holographic display that can read your mind. Well in this challenging case, I recommend holding it in your hands and trying it out. It's like nothing before yet it's instantly easy to use.

A hw keyboard would have been a good start. Maybe even some kind of new tech, haptics or the like, so that the new buttonless screen real estate you guys seem to treasure so much doesn't get obscured by 50% when you need to type something into the phone.

But that's just me....

[geneven]

Hint: It's a 1 GB of RAM! Not 256MB...

Learn to read.

[Mobilesynthesist]

I'm so disappointed, that I'm almost crying here.

I cannot understand the CPU choice. If they cut every corner already, why no Omap4 or N8's camera?

Wheres the future disruption in Omap3?

Is it because Elop wouldn't want Mango to look quite SO rotten even compared to other Nokia phones, when they finally are able to release it?

[Peter@Maemo Marketing]

A hw keyboard would have been a good start. Maybe even some kind of new tech, haptics or the like, so that the new buttonless screen real estate you guys seem to treasure so much doesn't get obscured by 50% when you need to type something into the phone.

But that's just me....

You are not alone, especially in this world of talk.maemo.org, but reality is that any sales statistics on smartphones tells you that monoblock device outsell by a huge margin any QWERTY devices. Just go into a shop a check out how many QWERTY smartphones you will find.

[Mobilesynthesist]

I forgot these:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0013AX62K/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_2?pf_rd_p=1278548962&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=0761121102&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0SW16P1WPB4JYJPSJ0K3
http://www.amazon.com/Rii-Wireless-Keyboard-Touchpad-RT-MWK01/dp/B003UE52ME
Those will comfort those who are crying for the keyboard. But what will comfort me?

[tissot]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9CWB172FmU (1.22)
Found from here (http://nokiagadgets.com/?p=1787).

is that function available on every application? Hopefully so.

[Peter@Maemo Marketing]

I'm so disappointed, that I'm almost crying here.

I cannot understand the CPU choice. If they cut every corner already, why no Omap4 or N8's camera?

Wheres the future disruption in Omap3?

Is it because Elop wouldn't want Mango to look quite SO rotten even compared to other Nokia phones, when they finally are able to release it?

Actually, the camera is the first 16:9 wide angle lens. You get more HD photos than with other Nokia smartphone.

And the processor... we need 60 FPS for transitions and 30 FPS for video, nothing else. The benefit with our CPU is that the battery gets you much further than any dual-core/LTE device. Not to mention that the radio performance beats essentially the whole competition out there.

[JohnLF]

No Landscape mode? I can hear the cries on the forums already! ;)

[AVee]

Just for clarification: the whole thing about future disruptions is about what comes after the N9, not the N9 itself.
So what comes after the N9? No more meego, just Windows Phone (http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/jun/21/nokia-n9-launch-smartphone).

But I'll grant you that a usefull Windows Phone Phone would be quite a suprise :P

I'll pass for now, by the time my n900 needs to be replaced I'll buy a phone from a vendor actually supporting Meego (or some other properly open platform).

[geneven]

Just for clarification: the whole thing about future disruptions is about what comes after the N9, not the N9 itself. The N9 is very much about world's firsts: all-screen phone, webkit2 browser, 8 MPIX camera with 16:9 wide angle lens, Dolby Headset support...

Are you going to start talking about step 4 of 5 now, or is that last year's rhetoric?

[tkatchev]

'Like nothing before and instantly easy to use' has already been done before, and done to death. And unlike the N9, the iPhone is already for sale at every store.

Well in this challenging case, I recommend holding it in your hands and trying it out. It's like nothing before yet it's instantly easy to use.

[zlatokosi]

You are not alone, especially in this world of talk.maemo.org, but reality is that any sales statistics on smartphones tells you that monoblock device outsell by a huge margin any QWERTY devices. Just go into a shop a check out how many QWERTY smartphones you will find.

Thanks for the honest reply, and I DO understand, really.

I just don't know why Nokia couldn't just say, screw that, we aren't supporting it anyways, and the TMO customers that supported our Internet Tablets all the way to Meego (and who in the end actually provided the necessary software updates {CSSU, USB OTG, etc}) actually prefer it. So let's go out with a bang.

I just doubt that Nokia really cares about the sales of this device when it is so heavily invested in WP7 now. I am really beginning to believe that development of N9 was stalled or cut to favor release of WP7, I guess we'll see.

[tkatchev]

Only if you createvely redefine 'smartphone' to mean 'touchscreen monoblock device'. :)

You are not alone, especially in this world of talk.maemo.org, but reality is that any sales statistics on smartphones tells you that monoblock device outsell by a huge margin any QWERTY devices. Just go into a shop a check out how many QWERTY smartphones you will find.

[Mobilesynthesist]

Actually, the camera is the first 16:9 wide angle lens. You get more HD photos than with other Nokia smartphone.

And the processor... we need 60 FPS for transitions and 30 FPS for video, nothing else. The benefit with our CPU is that the battery gets you much further than any dual-core/LTE device. Not to mention that the radio performance beats essentially the whole competition out there.

They said that the applications would be one of the three most important things we use phones for. And I see no 30 fps on the maps for example. I have always put very little emphasis on the "menu experience". That has no importance for me. The menu experience is merely an incidental feature, not something I use phone for.

[Mobilesynthesist]

And...I mean, I'm not trying to make a quarrel here. I actually want some of you experts talk me over this.

Why would I want Omap3? Is the battery life meaningfully longer now? I mean by several hours? Is it about 100$ cheaper now? Would there ever be amazing mobile synthesizer?

[cicer]

So, this proves that Ellop lied about the reasons for chosing WP7 (not being ready in time and the ability to differenciate).
Will this have future? Only if there is a big gap between the date ot its releases and WP7´s.
Are they planing to release more phones in a future (1.5-2 years)?
Does anybody else think that the ui could be the foundation for a tablet that could compete with the iPad, like Ellop said?

[Rugoz]

This phone could be a bestseller, the design alone will attract lots of people in stores and the UI ideas are really neat. I like the swiping between app launcher, open apps and notifications, and all the other swipe actions. But what will nokia do if the N9 sells good? I don't see the point in this device right now.

[zifis]

...yes but... did you see it? It's drop dead gorgeous... [drool]

[Rhaegar]

N90 looks and works better. I will never change my N900 <3

[Rauha]

Will this have future?

Mainstream future? No it won't. It won't be produced, marketed or pushed to carriers in amounts that would give it a chance to have any significant mainstream effect.

It might have future as a interesting geeky Linux device.


Does anybody else think that the ui could be the foundation for a tablet that could compete with the iPad, like Ellop said?
It's not made by Microsoft. No future in Nokia.

[Rugoz]

So, this proves that Ellop lied about the reasons for chosing WP7 (not being ready in time and the ability to differenciate).


If they wanted they could have brought multiple meego handsets with similar specs to the market. Its not exactly high-end. I expected specs beyond the need of wp7.

[strongm]

1. The N900 was Nokia's first all-screen phone. Why so many people are concentrating on this aspect as new is spooky.?

The N900 is a NIT not a phone

[blackjack4it]

Can we port N9 (or of course N950) OS on our N900?

[Kozzi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9CWB172FmU (1.22)
Found from here (http://nokiagadgets.com/?p=1787).

is that function available on every application? Hopefully so.

If you mean Quick launch then yes it's always available.

Quick launcher at Nokia developers (http://www.developer.nokia.com/swipe/ux/pages/Quick_launcher.html)

[Fellfrosch]

Just for clarification: the whole thing about future disruptions is about what comes after the N9, not the N9 itself. The N9 is very much about world's firsts: all-screen phone, webkit2 browser, 8 MPIX camera with 16:9 wide angle lens, Dolby Headset support...

Hmmmmmmmmm wasn't the N900 with Maemo5 just step 4 out of 5?
So if the N9 isn't step 5, is it step 4.5 or jus 4.1. Sorry for beeing a little harsh. It's not against you but there are always only promises for the future. But with Mr. Elop heading your company, i'm not sure what the future will be.

The UI of your new device looks interesting, that's all.
I miss to many things on the N9 which my N900 have. The only thing what I miss in the N900 is a compass and a little bit more RAM. On the N9 I miss a lot: Hardware Keyboard, exchangeable battery, FM-Transmitter... I miss the real thing on it. It's not a bad phone but i don't see anything special.

[kanishou]

Just had a look at the UI hand-ons demo in youtube...it looks nice but lacks the user creativeness feel of the n900? From what i can see, you can no longer customize a set of desktops with widgets etc...?

Can anyone confirm this, because at the moment the phone UI looks like a combination of win7phone and iphone....

That is correct. This time it's a phone, not a canvas. :)

[Bernard]

looks nice, and it definitely will become my new phone in the future. When depends on price :)

If you look at the specs, this is really a cheaper mass market design (very Nokia-ish), similar to a device like the Nokia 5800 was when it was released.
The biggest improvements over an N900 is the 1GB RAM, the much thinner body and the capacitive touch screen. (very mainstream, and RAM isn't the expensive these days)

The amoled screen is a mixed bag. It will probably not be full-resolution and use PenTile matrix tiling or similar (there is a warning in the differences document between N950 and N9 not to use single pixel graphics).

Other aspects are definitely main-stream, not high-end mostly to make the device cheaper to manufacture (the 8mpx camera, the LED flash, plastic case, normal av-out connector, 16GB memory option etc.)

[n900 lover]

just one .....i like it , it looks like alot of fun but.... how do you make fonecalls?

[Jedibeeftrix]

And the processor... we need 60 FPS for transitions and 30 FPS for video, nothing else. The benefit with our CPU is that the battery gets you much further than any dual-core/LTE device. Not to mention that the radio performance beats essentially the whole competition out there.

it's not the cpu i object to, but the GPU.

it is hopelessly slow for a device entering the market in Q4 2011.

[Cue]

I'm completely disappointed. No HW keyboard, no FM transmitter, No significant HW difference. The only thing that attracts me to this phone is Meego but the hardware is just a total letdown. It's as if they tried to conform with the iphone but didn't realize that if people wanted a phone like the iphone, well, they would just get an iphone. Unless this is significantly cheaper I'm not sure who this appeals to. I wish this device all the best nonetheless but it seems I'm no longer the person they are marketing this phone to.

BTW What was the amazing never seen before feature that they were talking about a month or so ago?

[Frappacino]

BTW What was the amazing never seen before feature that they were talking about a month or so ago?

There is not any - just a rumor by a few to stir up the natives.

[zlatokosi]

The N900 is a NIT not a phone

Then how come there'a a 7000+ thread on the N9 announcement on InternetTabletTalk?

[davidmaxwaterman]

You are not alone, especially in this world of talk.maemo.org, but reality is that any sales statistics on smartphones tells you that monoblock device outsell by a huge margin any QWERTY devices. Just go into a shop a check out how many QWERTY smartphones you will find.

The ones in the shops are those that *haven't* sold. You can put anything in a shop - just go to the Nokia store in Helsinki for example.

Observer what devices people on the street have, or perhaps sales statistics, if you want to know what people have actually bought.

[benny1967]

BTW What was the amazing never seen before feature that they were talking about a month or so ago?

+1

still curious. it was rumored to be something about the touch screen, something about text input... nothing we know about the N9 so far qualifies as amazing or never seen before in this regard. so at least those "you won't miss the HW keyboard"-statements were wrong.

[Mobilesynthesist]

When its in shops, are the factories running already? Can we still send a text message to Nokia, that those who waited for Meego phone, didn't want Omap3.

I most certainly didn't wait for a phone for past disruptions.

[Rugoz]

it is hopelessly slow for a device entering the market in Q4 2011.


I hope Q3.

[Frappacino]

I get it now, the n9 is actually a time machine that went forward in time 1 year to be released now !

The true disruption is we have a time traveling Phone !

[tkatchev]

The 'amazing feature' turned out to be having one less front-facing button than the iPhone.

(You're supposed to be excited at this point, BTW.)


BTW What was the amazing never seen before feature that they were talking about a month or so ago?

[ossipena]

Hmmmmmmmmm wasn't the N900 with Maemo5 just step 4 out of 5?

and harmattan would have been step 5, but what has happened?

[juanenrique]

anybody posted these over here yet?... if so, my apologies...

http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/N9-00/

[blackjack4it]

anybody posted these over here yet?... if so, my apologies...

http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/N9-00/

So this tells that we can modify Meego 1.2 Harmattan to fit into our N900?

[benny1967]

anybody posted these over here yet?... if so, my apologies...

http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/N9-00/

Seems to confirm that there'll be no Flash support for the browser. It's getting worse with every piece of information revealed.

[GreatGonzo]

I am really torn about this one. Why another closed UX on a platform that won't get long term support? No landscape and not fixable? The reverse maemo. This device would have been the perfect start for Nokia to move from symbian to meego for the masses.
However, the device for the masses will be WP. So what is the point? Killer/trial features would be great for this as them not working could always be blamed on the linux OS, while success could be mainstreamed through WP.
No SD slot?
Anyway I will probably get one for my wife as it looks great for what it is just not what it should be.

incoherent ramble end.

[Mobilesynthesist]

Seems to confirm that there'll be no Flash support for the browser. It's getting worse with every piece of information revealed.

That would have required better CPU anyway

[Jedibeeftrix]

I hope Q3.

i would like to hope so.

my contract is up on my n900.

[marxian]

+1

still curious. it was rumored to be something about the touch screen, something about text input... nothing we know about the N9 so far qualifies as amazing or never seen before in this regard. so at least those "you won't miss the HW keyboard"-statements were wrong.

They were probably referring to the swipe gesture to get to the task switcher. No need for Ctrl+Backspace, and thus no need for HWKB. This is what counts as amazing innovation in post 11-02-2011 Nokia. ;)

I say Holy-unneccessary-and-imprecise-swipe-gestures Batman. :p

[Stonik]

That would have required better CPU anyway

In my opinion Flash 10.x works pretty well on N900 when you are using the latest NITDroid.

[droll]

remember, a lot of us are coming from the *geek* community so we have learned to love the N900 for what it is. this phone, the N9, is not meant for that community (at least not from the bits of information that have surfaced so far) so there's bound to be dislikes / hatred. it doesn't mean the phone is bad. it just means Nokia is targeting a different segment. this might just be a stop-gap measure until their WP phone appears.

if what i'm reading is right, the majority of folks whom nokia are targeting and who might buy this device will probably not care that it runs meego underneath. so it makes perfect sense for nokia to release this phone now.

[Fellfrosch]

and harmattan would have been step 5, but what has happened?

There is a new device called N9 with MeeGo 1.2 HARMATTAN on it.
So it seems to be step 5 and that means, because it is step 5 of 5 there will be no further steps. That's sad because step 5 couldn't convinced me.

I don't know on which price the N9 will be sold, but if it is not really cheap i fear it will not be very successful. And if it isn't successful I fear there will be no successor.

[Rugoz]

such a shame that nokia is going wp7. Personally I don't need many apps, so I will buy it anyway.

[naabi]

Seriously. Give me a decent email app, and I'll buy this one. IMO Modest is a joke that gets old pretty soon.

[Rugoz]

I don't know on which price the N9 will be sold, but if it is not really cheap i fear it will not be very successful. And if it isn't successful I fear there will be no successor.


They couldn't have done better hardware for a bestseller. Looks great and reasonable specs (more would have made it too expensive).

[droll]

yep. that's why no irda, no fm transmitter, etc etc. these are *geek* add-ons and would just increase price with little WOW factor for most end-users.

[zdanee]

yep. that's why no irda, no fm transmitter, etc etc. these are *geek* add-ons and would just increase price with little WOW factor for most end-users.

FM Transmitter gets the ulimate WOW!-s from any audience in a car with crappy music. Experience. :)
IMHO geek add-ons or not, I fear this to be ridiculously overpriced at the beginning.

[jnack95]

yep. that's why no irda, no fm transmitter, etc etc. these are *geek* add-ons and would just increase price with little WOW factor for most end-users.
Completely disagree...I had several friends that bought the n900 because it had the FM transmitter

[geneven]

yep. that's why no irda, no fm transmitter, etc etc. these are *geek* add-ons and would just increase price with little WOW factor for most end-users.

People who buy fm transmitters in convenience stores will hardly agree that the feature is too geeky for them.

[zlatokosi]

remember, a lot of us are coming from the *geek* community so we have learned to love the N900 for what it is. this phone, the N9, is not meant for that community (at least not from the bits of information that have surfaced so far) so there's bound to be dislikes / hatred. it doesn't mean the phone is bad. it just means Nokia is targeting a different segment. this might just be a stop-gap measure until their WP phone appears.

if what i'm reading is right, the majority of folks whom nokia are targeting and who might buy this device will probably not care that it runs meego underneath. so it makes perfect sense for nokia to release this phone now.

I agree with the first paragraph, and disagree with the logic of the second one (although I think Nokia doesn't).

If all you're doing is targeting potential iPhone buyers, this is the wrong move. Do that with WP7. Existing ones won't give the N9 a thought until the iPhone5 is announced, after which I doubt they'll even remember the N9.

Nokia is setting up future N9 users for a big surprise once they abandon MeeGo, especially if they can't entice developers aboard.

Had it been released as a C900 or X15 fine, just don't call it N9 and don't waste the ONLY MeeGo phone on an outdated iPhone clone, even if it's 100 times better (then at least support it).

[Rugoz]

don't waste the ONLY MeeGo phone on an outdated iPhone clone


this phone was designed when meego was supposed to replace symbian, not wp7. I'm sure it will sell, it just doesn't seem to have a future, which is a shame.

By the way it still comes with meego, meaning full mutli-tasking and other goodies. Its not an iphone clone.

[johnel]

Completely disagree...I had several friends that bought the n900 because it had the FM transmitter

Especially using it to broadcast your music collection to an FM stereo!

"Regular people" are amazed and say things like:

"How are you doing that without bluetooth?"

"You mean a can keep my regular car stereo or any stereo and listen to my music stored on my phone?"

"Can you turn lead into gold?"

"Can your phone solve our economic problems?"

"Can you explain the last episode of 'Lost' too?"

[ossipena]

There is a new device called N9 with MeeGo 1.2 HARMATTAN on it.
So it seems to be step 5 and that means, because it is step 5 of 5 there will be no further steps. That's sad because step 5 couldn't convinced me.

I don't know on which price the N9 will be sold, but if it is not really cheap i fear it will not be very successful. And if it isn't successful I fear there will be no successor.

Meego 1.2 Harmattan != Harmattan. case closed.

[barrieluv]

Well, I'm almost sold.

No hardware keyboard. Honestly, I can take it or leave it. I use both hardware and software keyboards on my N900.
No removeable battery? Never owned a spare for any phone I've ever had, so it's not an issue.
I don't use the video out on the N900 so the lack of HDMI on the N9 won't be an issue. It still has video out, though.
I've always found the FM transmitter to be problematic in my car and prefer to use the AUX input on my in-car stereo. So the lack of a transmitter won't be an issue either.
Lack of in-browser flash is disappointing, but it's not the end of the world and HTML5 is gaining ground all the time.
64gb and out of the box FLAC support are most welcome, an 8MP camera is a bonus as is the bigger, harder screen, and the UI looks the part as does the handset itself.
I'll be keeping my N900, though, as I like to use it as a mobile linux PC.
I won't buy an iPhone (not keen on Apple) and as for Android with all it's bells and whistles, well, I like to be different.
It will be a straight fight between the WebOS Palm Pre3 and the Meego-Harmattan N9 for my next phone.

Unless, of course, somebody announces a true successor to the N900...

[stonda]

I'm totally getting this phone. The Meego/Harmattan effort alone deserves it. UI/UX seems to be refined to a level where it clearly surpasses my current phone, iPhone 4.

And no hw keyboard is no biggie for me, in fact I prefer my phones slim and with no moving parts. (E.g. the spring inside the lens cover of N900 broke after one month heavy usage.)

[smurfy]

About the fm transmitter/ receiver.

In the N900 the hardware part was the bt chip. and the fm receiver was never promoted.

so it could be possible, the bt chip in the N9 is still capable of fm transmitter/receiver but there is just no software for it.

and yea i will buy the N9 anyway :D

[tissot]

N9 to have Clear Black display? Previously seen on E7 and C6-01 but with much lower resolutions.
The Clear Black AMOLED display is truly a sight to behold, with stunning viewing angles, a curved Gorilla Glass front, and some pretty excellent (for AMOLED). We compared it side by side with a Super LCD-equipped Incredible S and the N9's more than held its own.

Non pentile 854x480 CBD would sound pretty sweet if true.

[MINKIN2]

no buttons what so ever??!!!

I MUST read on...

[smurfy]

it has buttons, but not on the front.

on the side: power and volume up/down

[gabby131]

i think this a more a continuation of the N8.

all internet tablets of Nokia has qwerty.....so this, i hope, must not an N900 successor......

[kruppin]

My god! How can they make it so outdated? And no keyboard? No FM transmitter? Sorry Nokia, was sure I would get this, but now I just cant..

It's just a N900 in a smaller (and more useless), package, with a better screen. Sure the cpu is "faster" but can't be clocked almost anything instead. My N900 going 1ghz daliy, even 1.1ghz, no prob, but my Defy (3630-800) going instable at 1.1ghz even though more overvolt. Read somewhere there are same CPU in all 3630 no matter speed. Just OC'ed.

[corduroysack]

first impressions WOW!!, then i read up on it, i'll pass and carry on waiting for a device that REALLY interests me.

[benny1967]

all internet tablets of Nokia has qwerty.....so this, i hope, must not an N900 successor......

the original internet tablet, the 770, didnt have a physical qwerty, neither did its successor, the n800.

nokia was criticized when they intruduced the qwerty with the N810 (the last model before the N900) because most people coming from 770/n800 thought it made the device bulky and was unnecessary. i was one of those people then... not knowing how how great it is to have a physical keyboard.

[GreatGonzo]

All in all, we're highly impressed by what Nokia has put together here, though the N9 does beg the question as to why the company has opted against making MeeGo its long-term smartphone OS of choice.

engadget of all places.

[zdanee]

engadget of all places.

They also have a new video out: http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/21/nokia-n9-first-hands-on/
Is it just me, or are there realy no pictures of text entry out yet? :rolleyes:

[pawelstryju]

n9? no, not for me, no hw keyboard and it's more like n8 than n900. I need a tablet, no iphone-kind-phone

[gabby131]

the original internet tablet, the 770, didnt have a physical qwerty, neither did its successor, the n800.

nokia was criticized when they intruduced the qwerty with the N810 (the last model before the N900) because most people coming from 770/n800 thought it made the device bulky and was unnecessary. i was one of those people then... not knowing how how great it is to have a physical keyboard.

oh you're absolute >_< thanks....

[lma]

the original internet tablet, the 770, didnt have a physical qwerty, neither did its successor, the n800.

And strictly speaking the N900 was not an Internet tablet, so just the N810 & N810W then.


nokia was criticized when they intruduced the qwerty with the N810 (the last model before the N900) because most people coming from 770/n800 thought it made the device bulky and was unnecessary.

Nah, it was actually less bulky than both of its ancestors. The main criticism was the menu button and d-pad being inaccessible with the keyboard in closed position.

[marrat]

Judging from hands-on videos, the N9 is ready. Ready to be sold as good as it works. Why delay sale few more months?

[zdanee]

Judging from hands-on videos, the N9 is ready. Ready to be sold as good as it works. Why delay sale few more months?

They need an appstore with apps. Ordinary Buyer opens the box, fires up the N9, opens the AppStore to download some cool new games ... and there is none.

[maluka]

I'm still baffled as to why Nokia decided to abandon Meego as the way forward. The device's looks have mainstream appeal. They've all but killed it before it's release by chasing away developers.

[Mobilesynthesist]

I need some convincing here. I want this phone, but I fear Omap3. Any knowledge about DSP coming into rescue over this issue?

[zlatokosi]

And strictly speaking the N900 was not an Internet tablet, so just the N810 & N810W then.



Nah, it was actually less bulky than both of its ancestors. The main criticism was the menu button and d-pad being inaccessible with the keyboard in closed position.

yep, plus the lack of two SD slots, and the cool slide out/turn around camera revamped... I passed on it (got my sister one) mostly because it lacked phone functionality, and waited for the N900.

Ironic, huh?

[mikecomputing]

Now what I need to know is, will Meego-DE/CE for N900 have the N9 UIX? Right now the default Meego UI sucks. This may help a lot of people to shift to Meego on their N900s


Qmgil has said the UI components for Meego Harmattan (atleast some) has been released. I take this as its up to the Meego Community to decide if they wanna use it in N900CE


But am not sure full UI is opensurced but atleast better than the one in n900CE atm...

http://flors.wordpress.com/2011/06/20/nokia-n9-state-of-the-art-of-mobile-linux-and-qt/

[mikecomputing]

My god! How can they make it so outdated? And no keyboard? No FM transmitter? Sorry Nokia, was sure I would get this, but now I just cant..

It's just a N900 in a smaller (and more useless), package, with a better screen. Sure the cpu is "faster" but can't be clocked almost anything instead. My N900 going 1ghz daliy, even 1.1ghz, no prob, but my Defy (3630-800) going instable at 1.1ghz even though more overvolt. Read somewhere there are same CPU in all 3630 no matter speed. Just OC'ed.

How can you be so damn sure you need more than 1Ghz!?!?!?

People should learn to not only read how cool HW spec and thinks its the only thing that is important. Cause its not!

Remember when N900 with 600Mhz pissed on 800Mhz slow Androids.

Some Android is STILL slower than Maemo not because of lack of CPU clockspeed instead because the UI and rest of the OS is not optimized!

[vivmak]

They need an appstore with apps. Ordinary Buyer opens the box, fires up the N9, opens the AppStore to download some cool new games ... and there is none.

Also, rumour is that iphone 5 comes out later this year, Nokia needs something in its stock to launch against it, N8 or E 7 wont be able to fight it.

[AndyNokia232]

Surely an crucial aspect of this device is its onscreen keyboard, which we need more info on. Like NOW. Not having a hw kb like the N900 is pretty damn important, so what's its replacement? Another iPhone-like one with annoying pop-up letters when you hit letters? Meh. If the guy in last night's demo showed us THAT (got some journo up from the floor to have a go) then it would help answer that question. Is there even a landscape qwerty? haven't seen it yet.

[Frappacino]

Jakiman wrote that when he used it, the software kb was like the iphones.

He took vids and will write in his blog soon.

Surely an crucial aspect of this device is its onscreen keyboard, which we need more info on. Like NOW. Not having a hw kb like the N900 is pretty damn important, so what's its replacement? Another iPhone-like one with annoying pop-up letters when you hit letters? Meh. If the guy in last night's demo showed us THAT (got some journo up from the floor to have a go) then it would help answer that question. Is there even a landscape qwerty? haven't seen it yet.

[sony123]

Any price/release date info update?

A little disappointed to see so-so cpu/gpu... but if the price is right then it's ok, since the phone is supposedly targeted to average

Btw I don't understand why there's no spacing among thumbnails in the gallery/photo, It looks awfully ugly, and reminds me of the N900 photo app in forced portrait mode : p

[ZogG]

And what meego device intel would have, as well as LG, I hope they read this thread before

[marrat]

They need an appstore with apps. Ordinary Buyer opens the box, fires up the N9, opens the AppStore to download some cool new games ... and there is none.

I don't care about the apps... I can wait for them, for everything else, there's a bookmark for it :)

[zdanee]

Jakiman wrote that when he used it, the software kb was like the iphones.

He took vids and will write in his blog soon.

Finally! Text input at 3:22 on YT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhZXBNVRhw8).

[Hurrian]

Well, we won't get the N9 until a few weeks from now.
Anyone want to help out on #maemo cracking open the EMMC firmware images Nokia's handing out? They'll likely boot on the N900, given that they run on an OMAP3 3630 and the same GPU, a SGX530.

[joppu]

Wonder if there will be a Developer Device Program with a discount for active community contributors...

[zdanee]

Wonder if there will be a Developer Device Program with a discount for active community contributors...

Already is! (http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=22779#post22779)

[OVK]

Already is! (http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=22779#post22779)

That is for developers, not other contributors (testers, wiki writers, trolls with high Thanks! count etc.).

[rishabsp]

check out this link:-

http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-n9?intc=ncomprod-fw-ilc-teaser-n9findprod_368x110-na-ncomprod-eu-en-1todtmt4f4da0

[marrat]

Well, we won't get the N9 until a few weeks from now.
Anyone want to help out on #maemo cracking open the EMMC firmware images Nokia's handing out? They'll likely boot on the N900, given that they run on an OMAP3 3630 and the same GPU, a SGX530.

What would be a few weeks? July would be nice, August still... but September seems almost a bit too late, shortly before Windows Phone announcements...

[maluka]

The device has 64GB internal memory! The more demos I see of it, the more I want one.

[geneven]

That is for developers, not other contributors (testers, wiki writers, trolls with high Thanks! count etc.).

Hey, that's me! But I don't want one...

[Jedibeeftrix]

How can you be so damn sure you need more than 1Ghz!?!?!?

People should learn to not only read how cool HW spec and thinks its the only thing that is important. Cause its not!


i can be damn sure i wanted more GPU than the (now) anaemic SGX530.

regardless, i will buy the phone, looks great.

[skinny]

You seem to be hard sell. No, it doesn't have artificial intelligence with 3D holographic display that can read your mind. Well in this challenging case, I recommend holding it in your hands and trying it out. It's like nothing before yet it's instantly easy to use.

Saying that "The N9 is very much about world's firsts" such as the features you listed, implies that without those features the N9's appeal would be very much reduced.

IMO this is not true. I assume it would still have:

a largely open, linux-based OS.
a flashy new UI.
a fast and capable web browser.
a great quality (albeit 4:3) camera.
great build quality.
free, off-line sat-nav capabilities.
USB host capabilities.


None of which are world's firsts... Nokia has done them all before.

[kanishou]

Well, I'm almost sold.

No hardware keyboard. Honestly, I can take it or leave it. I use both hardware and software keyboards on my N900.

Honestly... If you can put up with the software keyboard on the N900, you will be in for a treat.

[BatPenguin]

I've been away quite a bit (moved on to other systems, like many others...) so excuse me for not knowing this off-hand, couldn't find the information here very easily either, so: will this N9 UI be available on the N900 through some Nokia/non-Nokia project? I remember that there used to be some talk about such things, but what's the currect status - will Nokia help people upgrade to the N9 UI? I'm really not interested in the standard Meego UI, it looks terrible to tell you the truth, but this new Meego-Harmattan from the N9 is at least interesting, so any chance of this coming to the N900 at some point?

[kanishou]

I need some convincing here. I want this phone, but I fear Omap3. Any knowledge about DSP coming into rescue over this issue?

How about this first impression:

What we can say about all these aspects of the interface is that they're done exceedingly well and make the somewhat aged OMAP3630 processor look terrific. Fluid animations are evident throughout, navigation is natural, and this marks a major advance over anything else Nokia has given us on the software front in terms of touch-based UI.

Is that really not good enough, just because the numbers don't look exciting? I could understand nervousness if you are big on gaming and want to be sure that games on your phone can get those last few polygons on the screen, but if gaming is your primary concern, then you should obviously go with a bigger platform anyway. Some 3D games that will be available for the N9 also look gorgeous and run completely fluidly.

[Maj3stic]

Once again I think people need to understand Nokia is trying to make MONEY. Yes it doesn't seem all that disruptive to US TMO advanced users who are used to the mobile computer that is the N900. In the eyes of a general average Joe it most likely is just because the interface is simple and easy to use doesn't mean its crap. After all isn't that what most people want an easy to use phone?I can't begin to count how many times people asked me how to use my phone and why it seemed so complicated. Yes to me the n900 is easy to use but to the average user no, also remember the n900 was to be an upgrade to the NIT family for those old faithful NIT users which are only a hand ul in comaprison to the general mass. I didn't go in expecting the N9 to continue that lineage and hence why so many are disappointed . So yes some features are missing but features only US n900 users will miss ( except for adobe flash and no hdmi) that are not really that important to the mass market in which Nokia is trying to Capitalize on. The fm transmitter is the only other thing that i think would be cool to have had but oh well. I think this phone will do remarkably well, only time will tell but I believe in Nokia

[Mobilesynthesist]

How about this first impression:



Is that really not good enough, just because the numbers don't look exciting? I could understand nervousness if you are big on gaming and want to be sure that games on your phone can get those last few polygons on the screen, but if gaming is your primary concern, then you should obviously go with a bigger platform anyway. Some 3D games that will be available for the N9 also look gorgeous and run completely fluidly.

Yes. I'm not a menu using guy. I'm more like a application using type of user. Most of all I'd like to have music software and some games. I'm not expecting to see heavy game support and even less music software. But I would be happy with one good synthesizer and perhaps a PS emulator could carry me over next couple of years.

[jer006]

Really hoping the N9 makes it stateside in an official release...

Watching the availability and new countries are being added but as of yet no USA - keeping my fingers crossed on an FCC notification in the upcoming months...

Its not a developer centric device like the N900 but it looks like an awesome device all the same from what I have seen, good job Nokia now lets get it released!!

[kanishou]

Surely an crucial aspect of this device is its onscreen keyboard, which we need more info on. Like NOW. Not having a hw kb like the N900 is pretty damn important, so what's its replacement? Another iPhone-like one with annoying pop-up letters when you hit letters? Meh. If the guy in last night's demo showed us THAT (got some journo up from the floor to have a go) then it would help answer that question. Is there even a landscape qwerty? haven't seen it yet.

Yes there are popups, don't know what is annoying about that. Even if you never slide to hit the right button, it helps to verify that you are not mistyping.

Landscape keyboard is there.

It has incredible response times, so it can cope even with the fastest typists. Magnifying glass for cursor positioning (on long press).

Umlauts etc can be entered by pressing long on a key, but you can also switch to a different language / keyboard type on the fly by swiping left or right (you choose which ones you want).

[attila77]

Sorry, if I have to 'download an SDK' to start developing, then it isn't GNU/Linux.

That's of course, complete and utter rubbish. Because, you know, when you develop for GNU/Linux, you just imagine the code while sitting in front of your Mac, Windows or Linux, and then it materializes the bits and pieces from this air and brings them together in one big zzzzzingggGGGG that results in a package.

Can I develop directly on-board the device?

Yes.

[Bartcore3]

I found this video today.
Uploaded by NokiaConversations on youtube.
It's a demo of the N9 UI

http://youtu.be/BSZssHGR-Qg

[LTman]

n900 omap3630 (or whatever just correct me if i am wrong ) from 600:1150
n9 omap3640 1000:1900
we are all awaiting the next generation of power kernel

[Verythrax]

Yes there are popups, don't know what is annoying about that. Even if you never slide to hit the right button, it helps to verify that you are not mistyping.

Landscape keyboard is there.

It has incredible response times, so it can cope even with the fastest typists. Magnifying glass for cursor positioning (on long press).

Umlauts etc can be entered by pressing long on a key, but you can also switch to a different language / keyboard type on the fly by swiping left or right (you choose which ones you want).

Same as android - and it's a good thing. Android just have the popups when long pressing for shift-like functions, but I dig the idea of the popus everytime.

The device looks very good, and a solid replacement for my Galaxy S (that I can pass to my girlfriend to replace her aging E63, she's already well versed in using my android for internet and such)

I'm only turned off by the lack off flash, so I hope it's just temporary. And I really hope that Nokia price it accordingly, considering the hardware. I like a lot the idea of a "underpowered" device, if MeeGo can deliver more with less horsepower, what could drive the costs (and battery usage) down. I bet an OMAP3 is way cheaper when compared to tegra2 for manufacturers.

[mmlado]

If you got one in magenta, would you use it in public? :D

[sr00t]

http://swipe.nokia.com/

This video is recorded in a park of Capital Federal (Buenos Aires) called Plaza San Martin. I'm like... 3 blocks away from it right now, lol. Big surprise for me.

[SD69]

Just had a look at the UI hand-ons demo in youtube...it looks nice but lacks the user creativeness feel of the n900? From what i can see, you can no longer customize a set of desktops with widgets etc...?Not out of the box.

[zlatokosi]

The N9, which will sell unsubsidized for the equivalent of about $670 to $760 for 16 and 64 gigabyte models...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/21/technology/personaltech/21nokia.html?_r=1

Really Nokia? You better have good deals inked up with operators...

You know that the unlocked iPhone 4 costs less, right?

And you do realize that the benefits of real multitasking will be lost on your iConsumers masses?

And who's gonna make the apps?

[TomppaS]

Just testing the Harmattan Beta SDK.

http://filesmelt.com/dl/Screenshot-Untitled_Window.png (http://filesmelt.com/)
http://filesmelt.com/dl/Screenshot-Untitled_Window-1.png (http://filesmelt.com/)
http://filesmelt.com/dl/Screenshot-Untitled_Window-2.png (http://filesmelt.com/)

[lemmyslender]

Would have been interesting a year ago, now it's just another "me too" with aging hardware.

Far too many things on the N900 felt rushed and not well thought out, I suspect much of the same with the N9. Certainly wouldn't buy one until it's been out for some time, and there are some in-depth reviews, not the "wow look at how fast the menu scrolls, awesome" type reviews. Swype? Already have it, swype down, notifications, up, app list, sideways, more customizable home screens.

No terminal installed by default, lacking some of the features that made the N900 unique. The N950 looks even more aged in terms of hardware.

Only good side here is my N900 should start going back up in value.

[Verythrax]

I'm here just hoping that the local operators don't limit my choices to just the 16gb model, like they had done with some android handsets...

[Mobilesynthesist]

I wonder whats their excuse for the price?

[edgedemon]

As someone who moved to the darkside (Galaxy S) after nokia announced the MS love in, I do have to say that the N9 does look 'quite' good, some nice UI touches.
I will say, that as someone who stated a hardware keyboard was a must, you do get used to the on screen keyboard after a while..
If it wasn't for the fact that Nokia have already stated that the N9/N950 will be the last Meego phones, I would be tempted - as it is, there just seems no point..
Man I miss my multi-tasking, Nokia really had that nailed to perfection..

[kanishou]

And you do realize that the benefits of real multitasking will be lost on your iConsumers masses?


Just like the benefits of awesome design and accessibility are lost on the TMO masses. ;)

[attila77]

The N9, which will sell unsubsidized for the equivalent of about $670 to $760 for 16 and 64 gigabyte models...

A) money has not been disclosed
B) when you read "equivalent of" you know it's a clueless analyst typing in the euro value without realizing how taxes in Europe work

[Mobilesynthesist]

http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-n950-confirmed-for-meego-devs-4-inch-qwerty-slider-21160505/

[attila77]

As for memory - it's one (1) gig of good RAM, no swappolube needed on these babies.

As for GPU - yes, SGX530, but the question you should be asking is 'what clock'. Night and day compared to N900 even though 'in theory' it's the same thing (yaright).

As for keyboard. I'm a qwerty dude, and know this is a polarizing issue. The virtual keyboard is good, so unless I'm ssh-ing or ircing, I actually use the VKB even on the N950. So yeah, it's good.

As for landscape mode. Sounds good, but apart from video/mail/surf it doesn't really make sense for the N9s form factor. I would say it's around the level of iOS' landscape support. The N950 is obviously a bit of a different case because of qwerty.

[tkatchev]

Let me explain for the idiots: when I develop on my Ubuntu box, I don't need to buy a second Windows machine, sign up with Canonical, and download a 9000 jiggibyte proprietary 'SDK toolkit'.

I just type 'apt-get install build-essential' and type away my code.
It just works.

Moreover: I can download any old random .tar.gz off the Internet, unpack it, run 'configure' and 'make' and expect it to work out of the box.

That is what a true ecosystem looks like.

That's of course, complete and utter rubbish. Because, you know, when you develop for GNU/Linux, you just imagine the code while sitting in front of your Mac, Windows or Linux, and then it materializes the bits and pieces from this air and brings them together in one big zzzzzingggGGGG that results in a package.

Yes.

[Jedibeeftrix]

As for GPU - yes, SGX530, but the question you should be asking is 'what clock'. Night and day compared to N900 even though 'in theory' it's the same thing (yaright).



i did try to find out the gpu speed difference between the 65nm and 45nm Omap3's, but failed, do you know?

[nathaneous]

That is correct. This time it's a phone, not a canvas. :)

In that case i'll be keeping my N900 for canvasing purposes :D

[leetut]

if it had full flash support id be on it like a shot,
sold my n900 when they announced they were going to win7, dropping symbian and not giving me the latest flash
didnt buy a phone though i got a galaxy tab (for flash support which is updated every few weeks on android)
and realised i didnt need a keyboard when i always said it was a must
also realised i DO want all the latest apps and games, released at the same time as they are on ios/android
i have to say android is pants compared to ios from experience of both
but this meego ui looks like it could compete,
hoping they launch a meego market with 20.000 apps available at launch
the same apps and games as the android market and app store
and hope i see lots of app ads that say 'available now on ios android and meego' because if i dont see that i would just feel left out

[sunwong]

Let me explain for the idiots: when I develop on my Ubuntu box, I don't need to buy a second Windows machine, sign up with Canonical, and download a 9000 jiggibyte proprietary 'SDK toolkit'.

I just type 'apt-get install build-essential' and type away my code.
It just works.

Moreover: I can download any old random .tar.gz off the Internet, unpack it, run 'configure' and 'make' and expect it to work out of the box.

That is what a true ecosystem looks like.

No, that is what a true "freakysystem" looks like.

Don't know what is actually worse for Nokia, the Flop or the Uberfreaks... OMG

[kruppin]

How can you be so damn sure you need more than 1Ghz!?!?!?

People should learn to not only read how cool HW spec and thinks its the only thing that is important. Cause its not!

Remember when N900 with 600Mhz pissed on 800Mhz slow Androids.

Some Android is STILL slower than Maemo not because of lack of CPU clockspeed instead because the UI and rest of the OS is not optimized!

Ok, let me put it this way then. Why should I update when it's got no more CPU and GPU power then my N900? And the UI could very well be ported to the N900, given time. Probably not as good cuz of less RAM, but still.
A new phone (the successor) should have HDMI, and a GPU that can handle HD (yeah, this gpu can record in 720p, but bearly. And it kills the battery doing it).. Hell, I promise this phone will be EXPENSIVE, and for it not to have current gen SoC is just cheap.

Don't get me wrong, I love Meamo/Meego, but to buy a new phone just for an OS update doesn't seem right. Becouse hardware-wise you almost doing a downgrade, with the keyboard and FM TX gone. I knew it wouldn't have the absoulte latest hardware, but this is same gen as n900, and thats too old. If it had come last year, then this SoC would've been acceptable. But hell, I'm an idiot, so why listen to me. ;)

[dansus]

Up after a late night and trying to gauge the response, so far its been pretty overwhelming, can barely keep up but the word of the day seems to be..

'Why did they dump Meego again..?'

[Kozzi]

Ok, let me put it this way then. Why should I update when it's got no more CPU and GPU power then my N900?

- camera 8Mpix f2.2
- 3.9 inch capacitive AMOLED CBD screen
- size
- nfc
- batterylife

those are my reason to get this over the N900.

[Pillum]

lawl: http://www.developer.nokia.com/swipe/ux/pages/Tone_and_Language.html

[LadyBug]

If somebody has access to this device, could (s)he post some pics/video of the calendaring application, for example the different views and how to enter appointments (single appt, recurring appts, todos etc).

The calendar on N900 sucks big time as a real business tool, I just wonder if N9 is any better.

[OVK]

If somebody has access to this device, could (s)he post some pics/video of the calendaring application, for example the different views and how to enter appointments (single appt, recurring appts, todos etc).

The calendar on N900 sucks big time as a real business tool, I just wonder if N9 is any better.

Oh yes please. And is there any kind of support for different calendar categories, at least for PRIVATE APPOINTMENTS for syncable calendar?

[Verythrax]

lawl: http://www.developer.nokia.com/swipe/ux/pages/Tone_and_Language.html

Well, seem like a good idea

[AndyNokia232]

Using Marxian's beautiful CuteTube QML, I just downloaded the N9 promo audio track (The Big Introduction) over on YouTube. Instinctiv, Shazam nor Tunatic could not recognise the track, so maybe it was written especially for Nokia.

Either way, the funky part (after the nfc demo) is now my ringtone on my trusty N900! :)

[attila77]

I just type 'apt-get install build-essential' and type away my code.
It just works.

What on Earth has that got to do with GNU/Linux ? You need the SDK because you are crosscompiling and for a certain set of libraries (which is not your native one). If you had an ARM Harmattan desktop/notebook, you could just as well do build-essential directly.

Moreover: I can download any old random .tar.gz off the Internet, unpack it, run 'configure' and 'make' and expect it to work out of the box.
That is what a true ecosystem looks like.

Nonsense. Why does the Ubuntu and all the others ship all those diffs along with the upstream tarballs ? It's a hit and miss - maybe you get lucky and have the same lib versions and file locations as the original autor. If you don't (he's not an Ubuntu dude, whatever), you're in for a night of patching. And Harmattan is no worse in this regard - it's a full blown Linux distro.

[Bratag]

Try it, then decide. Galaxy S2 is made to look great on paper/specs. The N9 is made to look great live.

No offense but as someone who has the S2 I can tell you its not just great on paper but is also a truly amazing device in the hand. I am not taking anything away from the N9 with that statement. Just trying to remain objective.

I like the form factor of the N9 and the OS of course, however the specs are a little lacking (at least in the video recording dept, which is strange given Nokia's past history of being top of the pile in that area).

What I will say is if this device doesn't hit markets within 3 months at the most then it might as well not even be released as it will be vastly outclassed by newer devices coming down the pipe.

I am adopting a wait and see attitude to this device rather than an early adopter one (which I had for the N900). I certainly would't rule it out as a purchase I would make down the line.

[attila77]

If somebody has access to this device, could (s)he post some pics/video of the calendaring application, for example the different views and how to enter appointments (single appt, recurring appts, todos etc).

The calendar on N900 sucks big time as a real business tool, I just wonder if N9 is any better.

It's better, by lightyears. You can actually see some of the action in the swipe.nokia.com site (in the big flash video, drag the panorama and find the calendar icon - yes, those are clickable icons !)

[Jedibeeftrix]

do we have any idea when this phone will be available more specifically than "Q3 hopefully", or even when they might announce a in-store date?

[attila77]

Ok, let me put it this way then. Why should I update when it's got no more CPU and GPU power then my N900?

It has double the GPU power and (almost) double the CPU power, double the flash, plus quadruple of your N900's RAM.

[tkatchev]

The N9 is an ARM Harmattan notebook. At least, it's got all the hardware specs you'd need to build directly on the device.

Remind me again, does the N9 'do build-essential' directly, and if not -- why the hell not?

What on Earth has that got to do with GNU/Linux ? You need the SDK because you are crosscompiling and for a certain set of libraries (which is not your native one). If you had an ARM Harmattan desktop/notebook, you could just as well do build-essential directly.

[Pillum]

I now have read through the entire N9 UX Guidelines and I LOVE the UI..thats definitely a reason for me to buy this.

[Mobilesynthesist]

It has double the GPU power and (almost) double the CPU power, double the flash, plus quadruple of your N900's RAM.

Ok. Thanks. I'm slowly getting over my initial disappointment. I want to hear more talk like this. The RAM was also faster?...not that I'd know how much it mattered.

[Jedibeeftrix]

It has double the GPU power and (almost) double the CPU power, double the flash, plus quadruple of your N900's RAM.

do you have a spec sheet for that? :)

[AndyNokia232]

I'm putting $1 bet down on it being released into the wild just before/during Nokia World in October, so that would be Q4, but basically if Nokia say Q3, just +1!

Can't believe the Symbian Anna news either. My girlfriend has been listening to me say, "Don't worry, next month" since February, for her N8.
"End of August" seems like way too far for me to get steak tonight.

[Dr. Drips]

We want Nokia to keep MeeGo pertition:
http://twitition.com/3c3ah

[Verythrax]

Can someonoe enlighten me about the OS?

People were saying that it would need to be released as Maemo, since harmattan doesn't used RPM, but it's listed as "Meego 1.2 Harmattan" (as 1.2 a being the latest Meego version released by the time of the SF conf)

So will it be what, exactly?

- harmattan with some MeeGo flavor;
- early handset MeeGo version based on harmattan, but still Meego?

[shallimus]

I am new here. Love my N900.
Guys, can someone tell me if the N9 is the N950?

Not really the same. N950 is a limited-edition, not-for-sale developer device which Nokia will be making available through developer channels only. It has a hardware keyboard. The N9 is the consumer model and does not.


I am confused. Also, why some people here are bashing the fact that the N9 does not have a Qwerty hardware keyboard. A virtual keyboard is way better when using a multitouch amoled capacitive screen, that is why all the most advanced phones from the competition do not have a hardware keyboard. Also, it makes the phone bulky.


Many phone geeks like hardware keyboard. Subjectively, it gives more control. Objectively, it leaves the screen clear from fingers while typing. Historically we haven't been impressed with touchscreen keyboards (except maybe qole;)).

Remember that the phone must have an attractive design because sales is what feeds the company.

A very important point. I agree :)


Also, why some people are saying that the N9 doesnt have FM transmitter? an FM transmitter will be available through a thrid party application, just like it is a vailable through a third party application on the N900.

Sorry, not happening (edit: unless this speculation from marrat (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1034842&postcount=236) turns out to be true; I hope it does!). FM transmitter in the N900 requires hardware (https://www.silabs.com/Support%20Documents/TechnicalDocs/Si4712-13_short.pdf) which the N9 does not seem to have.


The N9 looks amazing, that curvy Amoled capacitive 3.9 inch screen is the most beautiful design as of today.

Agree.


1 gb of a Faster RAM.

Sweet.


I am not a genious on programming, etc. I am a User, and english is not my first language. But I always try to understand your conversations you post here, many people read this forum but dont post, I am one of them. I have a question

Does MeeGo = Maemo 6?

Yes and no. N9 isn't running plain MeeGo, but rather what Nokia call "the outcome of the MeeGo effort". It's a blend. Other people here have posted (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53551&goto=newpost)better explanations than I could of exactly where the line is drawn.


Will it be open source?

As open as the N900 (so some core bits like display drivers you can expect to be closed).


Does the N9 has integrated Skype and google voice? I love my n900 because I videocall my father from caracas to Atlanta via wifi on skype from my n900 to his IBM laptop. Can I do that with the N9? via wifi?

Yes, without a doubt; totally integrated out of the box. Read the full N9 spec from Nokia (http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-n9/specifications), as it answers many of your questions.


I love transmission, I download Spartacus and the series I like through thepiratebay using transmission. Will the N9 allow the programmers to create torrent clients?

It's open. You can install anything, or write your own. This isn't the Apple We-Control-What-You-Install App Store. You can install whatever you like, and what you do with it is up to you. I'm not a lawyer but it may be illegal to download/upload copyrighted stuff, blah blah blah.


I need to know if the n9 is the n950 ....
Again, not really. And you won't be able to get an N950 (and neither will I), but the N9 is looking pretty sweet.

[AndyNokia232]

Cut Copy Paste in action (kind of):

http://www.developer.nokia.com/swipe/ux/pages/PB_Sheets_and_Menus.html

:)

[marrat]

Sorry, definitely not happening. FM transmitter in the N900 requires hardware (https://www.silabs.com/Support%20Documents/TechnicalDocs/Si4712-13_short.pdf) which the N9 does not have.




Also, there is nowhere a FM receiving capability mentioned.

So, two possibilites:

Either the N9 has neither FM rx nor tx (Completely omitting even normal FM listening seems rather odd to me)

Or (with OMAP3630 chances are not that low) still has a combined wl1273 chip with FM Rx+Tx which is not yet listed and spoken of...

We will see...

[cael_gomes]

OK, I had the opportunity of played with the Asus X101 MeeGo-powered netbook, and I was able to install Dosbox (and then install DOS 6.22, Win 3.11, play some old games), Wine (and test a few games like Counter-Strike), Skype, Firefox, gcc and so on.
BTW, I am very excited with this OS. I think it is very very very promising. Save these words: Give more 1 or 2 years, then you'll have the most efficient, fast and secure OS of the market (without stealing your geolocation data, as iOS and Android do - meh, I don't want to start a fight here, but that's true).

So, my question is (and I hope someone has the answer):
Will I be able to do all those stuffs in this device?

I mean, maybe it's a silly question, but I saw a lot of websites and videos showing the N9, and no one mentioned if this N9 has a console (pretty much like N900 has (I own a n900, so I already know that I can do *almost* anything with it), and if I will able to change some OS configuration - like I was able in my N900)), and if it is as open and free as Maemo is.


If so, I think it worth a try - even without a keyboard, IR, microSD.

Thanks, and sorry about my English.

[shallimus]

Also, there is nowhere a FM receiving capability mentioned.

So, two possibilites:

Either the N9 has neither FM rx nor tx (Completely omitting even normal FM listening seems rather odd to me)

Or (with OMAP3630 chances are not that low) still has a combined wl1273 chip with FM Rx+Tx which is not yet listed and spoken of...

We will see...
Maybe. But I doubt it. Why wouldn't it be listed on the official spec? And FM listening is doable without extraordinary hardware: the N900 listens using the Bluetooth hardware.

[attila77]

The N9 is an ARM Harmattan notebook. At least, it's got all the hardware specs you'd need to build directly on the device.

Remind me again, does the N9 'do build-essential' directly, and if not -- why the hell not?

Of course it doesn't, because of many reasons, some of which are

a) the SDK approach allows you to develop software even if you are a Mac or Windows developer (or, say, don't know anything about Debian)

b) it also allows easier target switching, on device development will not net you simulator, MeeGo Handset or Tablet, Symbian, Maemo5, etc targets

c) the average computer used for development is still equipped with way faster CPUs and more memory making it a lot faster to cross-compile or to do separate targets or different versions of them.

d) I'm pretty sure more people would appreciate work put into a mail client or web browser than catering for a very thin use-case

e) if you're a cool hacker, you can do it on your own anyway, and it's a billion times easier than on any other platform

f) need I go on ?

So yes, it would be worth some geek creds with a few dozen people and be an annoyance/hindrance to millions. That's an easy call to make.

[attila77]

do you have a spec sheet for that? :)

Texas Instruments datasheets are your friend :)

[kanishou]

No offense but as someone who has the S2 I can tell you its not just great on paper but is also a truly amazing device in the hand. I am not taking anything away from the N9 with that statement. Just trying to remain objective.

I like the form factor of the N9 and the OS of course, however the specs are a little lacking (at least in the video recording dept, which is strange given Nokia's past history of being top of the pile in that area).

What I will say is if this device doesn't hit markets within 3 months at the most then it might as well not even be released as it will be vastly outclassed by newer devices coming down the pipe.

I am adopting a wait and see attitude to this device rather than an early adopter one (which I had for the N900). I certainly would't rule it out as a purchase I would make down the line.

You know, someone could offer me a 2Ghz quadcore with 2 GB of RAM and a 20 MP camera running Android for the same price and I wouldn't be interested.

Specs mean nothing, unless everything else is equal.

I'd rather have a phone that is a joy to use in every day life, than one that pushes a few more polygons per second or allows me to keep 200 instead of just 100 apps running at the same time.

[sudarsan_avs]

Is there any chance of getting this UI on MeeGo 1.2 DE N900 :)

Maybe I am asking too much... :p

[marrat]

Maybe. But I doubt it. Why wouldn't it be listed on the official spec? And FM listening is doable without extraordinary hardware: the N900 listens using the Bluetooth hardware.

Yep, that's the point! In newer revision of the TI BlueLink / WiLink chips which are to be bundled with OMAP processors, in addition to FM Rx feature also Tx is added.

Also see this document on page 3: http://focus.ti.com/lit/wp/swmy001/swmy001.pdf

It is from April 2009 and says for BlueLink 7.0 (with FM Rx&Tx combined) and WiLink 6.0 (Fm Rx&Tx combined) "Announced/Sampling". So by time of OMAP3630 this should have been default inclusion.

And the "leaked" Harmattan package list had "wl1273" Firmware package...

But let's wait and see (and hope a little bit...)

[Verythrax]

I think that nfc is simply deprecating FM transmission. the main use was on car radios, but most of the new models come with bluetooh, and will start coming with nfc now.

I know that it's a bit early, but Nokia needs to push something on early adoption to appeal as "cutting edge". The FM transmitter would just add to the price, and most of the competiion doesn't have it anyway, so it will not be really "lacking".

Guys, I know that having less features than the N900 sucks, but N900 was the last heir of and IT lineage. Now we are at the smartphone era, and Nokia NEEDS to be competitive. Giving a bucketload of options without being able to sell it doesn't cut it.

The future will be more about synthesis, one hardware/technology filling various roles = easier to use, and cheaper to manufature. N900 have just too much for todays standards.

[zlatokosi]

You know, someone could offer me a 2Ghz quadcore with 2 GB of RAM and a 20 MP camera running Android for the same price and I wouldn't be interested.

Specs mean nothing, unless everything else is equal.

I'd rather have a phone that is a joy to use in every day life, than one that pushes a few more polygons per second or allows me to keep 200 instead of just 100 apps running at the same time.

And which Nokia phone has provided you with that out-of-the-box in the last few years? On a burning platform...

This coming from a(n almost ex-)Nokia fanboy.

[kruppin]

It has double the GPU power and (almost) double the CPU power, double the flash, plus quadruple of your N900's RAM.

Yes, it got all those things, except the GPU? How can it be double? Even if it now has alittle higher clockspeed doesn't make it double as good. And it still is a old SGX530 from 2005, so it's made in 90nm, and got almost no hd capabilities, not that it matters now that N9 doesn't have HDMI port.
But they've could atleast put a SGX540 in it, THAT'S more then double the good (which means better games), and still less powerhungry. But yes, I know, TI doesn't have a SoC with that untill you go dualcore, and that would've been to expensive, I guess. Bleh, the phone will surely be good, I just had more expectations, which is why I complain! :p I thought they saw meego as cutting edge in both software and hardware, but i yhought wrong. I'm just afraid that it will take many more months until we have it in stores, and then this HW is ****.

[shallimus]

And which Nokia phone has provided you with that out-of-the-box in the last few years? On a burning platform...

This coming from a(n almost ex-)Nokia fanboy.
A joy to use? For me, that'd be the N900.

For the record, I'm also looking forward to the N9. You know, like I might enjoy owning a pickup truck and a sports car. They're not the same, but they're both cool.

[SubCore]

Of course it doesn't, because of many reasons, some of which are

i'm pretty sure that you could just write generic c/c++ code and compile it on device. if you need stuff like the qt libs for a fancy UI, even those should be possible to manually link against.

the sdk just preps all that for you in a nice package, but using build-essentials on-device is still possible, no?
since meego is OSS, the ARM headers and -dev packages are available, aren't they?

the meego wiki is only talking about its OBS based infrastructure, but i imagine that development .deb packages for harmattan will be made available, if they aren't already?

edit:
kinda missed your point e) there :)
so yea, still possible for "cool hackers" :P

[Dragoss91]

It has double the GPU power and (almost) double the CPU power, double the flash, plus quadruple of your N900's RAM.
It has the same GPU , and the N900 CPU can run very well at 1 ghz , even at 1150 , let's say the n9 cpu could go to 1.5ghz so here is the "double power" , but what about GPU ? :confused:

[taril]

The same Cortex A8 and GPU... No keyboard, no swype, no HDMI. Very funny.

No more nokia, Samsung Galaxy S2 rules!

[mikecomputing]

Testing the latest Qt SDK with Maemo Harmattan support with emulator, itsdogslow cause if software rendering probadly cause my hostsystem doesnt support HW rendering in QEmu (NVdidia closed source crap :-@

But if people want to try play with the harmattan download latest SDK :cool:

from:

http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/06/21/introducing-meego-1-2-harmattan-to-the-qt-sdk/

Btw... Dont forget N900CE summerrelease tomorrow :-D

Hell I must say there is much cool stuff coming atm :-D

Now we all should start develop apps working both for N900 and the new device and make sure MrFlop is wrong so we see more devices in the future :)

Maybe one with QWERTY :D

[tzsm98]

The N9 looks like a super choice for replacing my N8-00. It has the smoothness and slickness I thought I'd see on the N8-00 but have not seen to date. This is in no way a replacement for the N900

I'll keep on using the N900 until it breaks, then I'll get my backup N900 out and use it until it breaks. Hopefully by then someone will have a suitable replacement. Might even be Nokia.

[tissot]

Remember to vote to keep MeeGo alive!
http://twitition.com/3c3ah

[Brock]

"Can you explain the last episode of 'Lost' too?"

yes i can.. what do you want to know ;)

[mikecomputing]

The same Cortex A8 and GPU... No keyboard, no swype, no HDMI. Very funny.

No more nokia, Samsung Galaxy S2 rules!

How can you be sure GPU is less good than in the SII? Have you actually tried the device(s)!?

History has shown that Android needs more CPU clock than Maemo too run smooth...

[AndyNokia232]

How the hell can Mobile Crunch be called anything Mobile when this kind of typo happens? Just goes to show how much they know about it all:

"If you’re willing to take a dive into MeeGo 1.2 Hatterman, the Nokia N9 is looking like a pretty great choice."


http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2011/06/21/meet-the-nokia-n9-a-colorful-slice-of-meego-magic/

[Bratag]

You know, someone could offer me a 2Ghz quadcore with 2 GB of RAM and a 20 MP camera running Android for the same price and I wouldn't be interested.

Specs mean nothing, unless everything else is equal.

I'd rather have a phone that is a joy to use in every day life, than one that pushes a few more polygons per second or allows me to keep 200 instead of just 100 apps running at the same time.

Well that is entirely a personal preference. Each person has to decide what is right for them. I wasn't touting Android over Meego. I was simply attempting to point out that the S2 is , hardware wise, not just something that looks good on paper.

You may want to perhaps take a deep breath and not kneejerk react to every post that isn't a "Wow the n9 is the second coming of Jesus" posting.