The 'EPIC' "Will Nokia release another MeeGo device after N9?" poll

[shallimus]

I've read [most of] the EPIC N9 anticipation thread (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72977&goto=newpost). I watched the speeches live from Nokia Connection, and I heard Elop say "MeeGo" once (or was it twice?) but I also heard him say "many features from the N9 will live on in WP7", implying that MeeGo at Nokia is dead. Yet I also saw the chart showing continued (if reduced) investment in MeeGo by Nokia.

Like many of us here, I don't have much in the way of actual facts about future plans for Nokia/MeeGo, but I'm very interested in seeing it continue.

So I ask: will Nokia release another MeeGo device after the N9?

For the purposes of this question:

I don't count the N950 as I'll never get one (and most likely neither will you).
Let's assume Harmattan is MeeGo and that the N9 is a MeeGo device.
If you have facts/rational analysis which leads you to believe that a MeeGo successor to the N9 is coming: please share it here.
Edit: as pointed out by excelar8; this poll might as well be EPIC
Edit2: to keep gerbick happy (also, those who misplaced their sense of their irony, or anyone who got lost and ended up here on their way to /b/), sarcasm quotes have been added to the word EPIC in the thread title

[misterc]

not really an answer, of course (who knows?), rather spilling out thoughts about a couple things, let's say N900 centred.

the N9 may well be the official entrance of NOKIA in the smart phone arena even though one may consider the MIDs (Mobile Internet Devices, thus the Maemo devices 770, N800, N810 and N900) as smart phone pioneers.

why isn't NOKIA the absolute leader for smart phones if they had such a head start? maybe because prior to the N900, MIDs hadn't the "phone" feature, no SIM?
will there ever be another MID? probably not.
will there ever be another MeeGo (smart) phone from NOKIA?
according to Jo Harlow, Executive Vice President, Smart Devices the N9 is an early-adopter tech geek device. this doesn't sound like roaring sales expectations, now, does it?
furthermore drivers for new ("disruptive") technologies would have to be shared with m$ which would hamper development and introduction of such features on the wp platform.

thus, yes, we will probably see NOKIA MeeGo devices in the future.
it would be unrealistic to expect a new "disruptive" technology every few months, thus such devices will be few.
considering that wmobile devices have already been flashed with android and depending on the hardware choices for wp, it might be possible to flash them with MeeGo, no?

then again, NOKIA isn't the 1st (mobile phone) company to enter an "exclusive" agreement with m$; LG did the same tow years ago @ the Mobile World Congress in Barcelona and were (are!) supposed to have up to 50 m$ devices in 2012.
only a few months ago, LG jumped onto the MeeGo bandwagon :D :cool:

[excelar8]

is this an EPIC poll? I need to know before I answer

[debernardis]

They'll make other meegophones eventually, but not before demand for them is saturated by koreans, chinese and whatnot.
Stopping meego phones delivery now like Elopwants means making the hare vs tortoise race [see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdZIfafAlaU ] with Nokia featuring the hare in the past few years.

[zlatokosi]

No, and to anyone that thinks otherwise, let me quote Elop from the blog below:

“I am simply going to choose to respectfully disagree on multiple fronts”

Maybe in 5 years, if MeeGo is successful.

http://felipec.wordpress.com/2011/06/21/my-disagreement-with-elop-on-meego/

[Power]

I am just speculating but I doubt if Nokia will make another one of these. In fact I was surprised they did this too.

Meego and Maemo had the same problem that Bada has... marked adoption I think. Unless, you make enough phones with Meego and price it low enough, you cannot get people to buy. So, it's a chicken and egg situation and if Nokia doesn't do enough of it, it's going the Palm way :(

[shallimus]

Sadly the consensus is already appearing that it's probably not going to happen. Then again, we were all waiting for Jessy's Girl to be released as the N9, and that didn't turn out the way we expected either!

So maybe there's hope for us yet.

Or not.

I wonder how this poll will look to us when we look back 1-2 years from now...

[gerbick]

Thread isn't epic. Poll isn't epic either.

And Nokia isn't going to go full steam into MeeGo either. Not unless by some miracle they sort out the missing services that will make consumers happy, work out the lack of 3rd party vendor support and then give the hackers and geeks a hardware keyboard version with some CPU/GPU combination that's higher spec'd out than the current N9 iteration and somehow do so without causing issues with what's supposed to happen to the WP7 phones.

And all of that has to happen with a much smaller budget. So no. I don't personally foresee MeeGo coming out in any other Nokia phone.

[Frappacino]

<sacarsm>
Oh but you are so negative - cant you see the UI is so sexah ! Everyone will buy it cause its sexah !

Who cares about apps and stuff - look at how smoothly it scrolls !
</sacarsm>

edit - sacarsm tags added for the impaired.

Thread isn't epic. Poll isn't epic either.

And Nokia isn't going to go full steam into MeeGo either. Not unless by some miracle they sort out the missing services that will make consumers happy, work out the lack of 3rd party vendor support and then give the hackers and geeks a hardware keyboard version with some CPU/GPU combination that's higher spec'd out than the current N9 iteration and somehow do so without causing issues with what's supposed to happen to the WP7 phones.

And all of that has to happen with a much smaller budget. So no. I don't personally foresee MeeGo coming out in any other Nokia phone.

[ajack]

I think Nokia will port Harmattan to the WP7, MeeGo is dead to Nokia... The N9 is just a face saving exercise and the N950 is just the older designed "original" N9 that operators rejected and that they have a ton of them in a warehouse somewhere.

[sethstorm]

I think Nokia will port Harmattan to the WP7, MeeGo is dead to Nokia... The N9 is just a face saving exercise and the N950 is just the older designed "original" N9 that operators rejected and that they have a ton of them in a warehouse somewhere.

Hinge issues, not operator rejection.

They're giving the few of them out to developers, but missing the ball on selling them.

[meegolinux.it]

There are a difference between Meego and Bada/WebOS... the latter are exclusive and proprietary stuff, the first is open and (theorically) vendor-independent.
I think that if some other vendor (LG?) will adopt Meego, maybe in the future there will be the remote possibility to see another Nokia Meego device; otherwise the platform will dead and no other meego at all.

All this IMHO...

[Aonsaithya]

Hinge issues, not operator rejection.

They're giving the few of them out to developers, but missing the ball on selling them.

While I'm not suspecting the existence hinge issues, I'd have thought the company that made the E7 (such cool and sturdy hinge) could've fixed an issue like that.

[geojoking]

Given the fact that MeeGo will be used for disruptive technologies, and if the N9 is a success, YES, Nokia will release another MeeGo-related devidce. That's my thought.

[BigBadGuber!]

I've read [most of] the EPIC N9 anticipation thread (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72977&goto=newpost). I watched the speeches live from Nokia Connection, and I heard Elop say "MeeGo" once (or was it twice?) but I also heard him say "many features from the N9 will live on in WP7", implying that MeeGo at Nokia is dead. Yet I also saw the chart showing continued (if reduced) investment in MeeGo by Nokia.

Like many of us here, I don't have much in the way of actual facts about future plans for Nokia/MeeGo, but I'm very interested in seeing it continue.

So I ask: will Nokia release another MeeGo device after the N9?



For the purposes of this question:

I don't count the N950 as I'll never get one (and most likely neither will you).
Let's assume Harmattan is MeeGo and that the N9 is a MeeGo device.
If you have facts/rational analysis which leads you to believe that a MeeGo successor to the N9 is coming: please share it here.
Edit: as pointed out by excelar8; this poll might as well be EPIC
Edit2: to keep gerbick (or anyone who got lost and ended up here on their way to /b/) happy, sarcasm quotes have been added to the word EPIC in the thread title



Of course it will. It will be a phenomenal success, and it was Elop that has been pushing N9 to come out. They will treat Meego/Harmattan as a boutique niche that one day explodes on its own. It will all depend on the sale of this device. Simple as that. If it doesnt sell, no more Meego devices from Nokia. If it sells, you will see them with and without keyboard

[shallimus]

Of course it will. It will be a phenomenal success, and it was Elop that has been pushing N9 to come out. They will treat Meego/Harmattan as a boutique niche that one day explodes on its own. It will all depend on the sale of this device. Simple as that. If it doesnt sell, no more Meego devices from Nokia. If it sells, you will see them with and without keyboard
Account pwned? Missing <sarcasm> tags? ;)

Or do you mean this?

[BigBadGuber!]

I do mean it. I am buying two of the N9s. Red and Black. Red for Mrs, black for me

[droitwichgas]

I think releasing a single core with no Flash and possibly no FM TX RX suggests Nokia are trying to make sure it will not be a success and so there will not be a N10.

What's the betting 3 months after the N9 hits the shops a WP7 phone arrives with dual core/flash/FM TX RX and Elope can then say this is why I dropped meego.

[tissot]

What's the betting 3 months after the N9 hits the shops a WP7 phone arrives with dual core/flash/FM TX RX and Elope can then say this is why I dropped meego.

With WP Nokia got one supplier, Qualcomm and just some SOC's to chose from so not much guessing there. :)
Dsmobile has been saying for 2 months that there will be look wise exactly the same looking phone as N9 released on the first wave of Windows Phones by Nokia.


My answer was Yes - but I'm running on pure hope

Got nothing to back it up, but i see there being still some hope for MeeGo phone next year. it is quite hard to argue against naysayers though.

[droitwichgas]

. it is quite hard to argue against naysayers though.

I am hardly one of those have I have not complained about anything N900 related, but just been here before with all this hype.

If Elope is going to support meego why didn't he bring out the phone with a dual core rather than last years CPU?

[catbus]

So I ask: will Nokia release another MeeGo device after the N9?




I think that there are three but's

- First of all, are consumers eager to buy this? o/

- Second, are we ready, or are the software companies willing to support and make applications for M-H/N9

- Third, and it sells enough/more compared to what WP is expected to

N9 has already been approved in the media

If the phone is ready, it should get quickly to consumers, like Elop previously promised/required. We'll see what happens ...

[misterc]

I do mean it. I am buying two of the N9s. Red and Black. Red for Mrs, black for me

i'm buying a 2nd N900 today
one to run Fremantle and the other for whatever comes down the MeeGo / Harmattan pipeline :D

maybe i'll get a Cyan N9 for Mrs., indeed. not much can go wrong, right? "just swipe..." :cool:
are they Ice Tea & coffee tight @ least? :rolleyes:

[cleonkennedy]

I can't see why not. So i voted Yes - but I'm running on pure hope

Here is what nokia have told us so far.
- Funding for R&D into Meego will continue into the future(Link (http://www.thetekster.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/nokia_wp7_RD.jpg))
- Meego is now part of Nokia's "future Disruptions" (link (http://www.slashgear.com/meego-focus-shifts-to-future-disruption-in-mobile-ecosystem-11132759/))
- This Future Disruption team "goal, as Elop told a group of engineers in Berlin on Feb. 29, is once again to "find that next big thing that blows away Apple, Android, and everything we're doing with Microsoft right now and makes it irrelevant—all of it. So go for it, without having to worry about saving Nokia's rear end in the next 12 months. I've taken off the handcuffs." (link (http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_24/b4232056703101_page_3.htm))

So why would Nokia continue to spend money in developing Meego if it didn't expect to realease any products.

It is also important to notice that Mr Elop has told the people looking after Meego to "go for it, without having to worry about saving Nokia's rear end in the next 12 months."

That was only 4 months ago.

[prankster]

actually if it was elop ,he would have never released a meego device if it wasnt already prepared by nokia developers,so there isnt gonna be a new meego device ever again,it was just a formality to a far cry for meego Os ,nothing else .microsoft came to nokia to tell people ,they are just gonna stick with symbians(for asian countries.who dont afford to buy expensive devices) and wp7 .(for developed nations to compete with iOs or android. i wish they could see the maemo work by community .

[misterc]

actually if it was elop ,he would have never released a meego device if it wasnt already prepared by nokia developers,so there isnt gonna be a new meego device ever again,it was just a formality to a far cry for meego Os ,nothing else .microsoft came to nokia to tell people ,they are just gonna stick with symbians(for asian countries.who dont afford to buy expensive devices) and wp7 .(for developed nations to compete with iOs or android. i wish they could see the maemo work by community .

the community work from Maemo (or now MeeGo) is undeniably great for ppl like us who usually already running GNU/Linux on our home PCs / laptops, but for Jane or John Doe, it simply won't sell.
dependencies, conflicting packages... no way.
it has (alas) to be the m$ way (i.e.: download a kbXXXXXXX & let it install)
:mad:

ps: i deleted the link to the Elop on Helsingin Sanomat; can't find ANY reference to it on the a search engine.

[Brock]

Of course it will. It will be a phenomenal success, and it was Elop that has been pushing N9 to come out. They will treat Meego/Harmattan as a boutique niche that one day explodes on its own. It will all depend on the sale of this device. Simple as that. If it doesnt sell, no more Meego devices from Nokia. If it sells, you will see them with and without keyboard

there wont be any other meego device from nokia, even if the n9 will be successfull... elop is too much on ms side... not on our side

[cesman]

Where is the "Who cares" option? While the N9 is tempted, "fool me once shame on you...". I'm not looking to be shamed.

[shallimus]

Where is the "Who cares" option? While the N9 is tempted, "fool me once shame on you...". I'm not looking to be shamed.
You can always choose the "What's MeeGo?" option.

Are you ashamed of your N900 (assuming you have one)?

[cesman]

You can always choose the "What's MeeGo?" option.

Are you ashamed of your N900 (assuming you have one)?I know what MeeGo is. I have a N900 (and a N800) and am not ashamed of the devices. My dissatisfaction comes with Nokia. While the N9 looks great, how long will Nokia support it? While MeeGo is Open Source, it should not be entirely up to the community to support a manufacturer's device. Yes, I'm aware MeeGo is more that Nokia... I'm taking a more wait and see approach.

[ScottishDuck]

Elop has been clear. It's a resounding no.

[Jedibeeftrix]

quim gil has been surprisingly cryptic, indicating that linux has a future but making no mention of meego.

if i were into conspiracy theories i'd be tempted to think that nokia never gave a damn about meego, they just wanted QT to become the default development environment.

:)

[morbid]

Elop has been clear. It's a resounding no.

I thought Elop was also clear that WM7 would only be for 20% of Nokia devices. Are you suggesting that Symbian Anna would go on the remaining 80%... with no room for Meego?

[Reflektorfalke]

quim gil has been surprisingly cryptic, indicating that linux has a future but making no mention of meego.

if i were into conspiracy theories i'd be tempted to think that nokia never gave a damn about meego, they just wanted QT to become the default development environment.

:)

Just for reference:
Guess you are talking about this blog (http://flors.wordpress.com/2011/06/26/the-four-wheels-spinning-meego-1-2-harmattan/) from qgil, which was a reply to a very similar question as OPs question I asked here (http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3664).
I agree it is kind of cryptic in certain parts :cool:
Will try to pull together my thoughts on this when I find some time the next days...

[Dave999]

They simply have to if they. Want money

[ericsson]

I thought Elop was also clear that WM7 would only be for 20% of Nokia devices. Are you suggesting that Symbian Anna would go on the remaining 80%... with no room for Meego?

S40 and S30 will make up the rest in addition to Symbian. More Symbian devices coming by the way:
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n5_images_leaks_powered_by_updated_symbian_a nna-news-2823.php

[xerxes2]

S40 and S30 will make up the rest in addition to Symbian. More Symbian devices coming by the way:
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n5_images_leaks_powered_by_updated_symbian_a nna-news-2823.php

Updated Anna? Wasn't it Belle that should get the new gui? Also, the N-series was supposed to be Meego only but I guess it will not be so. I don't think it matters really, a strong Symbian is good for Meego too as both uses Qt.

Edit: Nokia should make a M-series that is Meego only.

[Protegio]

I have lost my faith in NOKIA.

[Protegio]

How many N900 were produced and sold? Could someone answer this question? I just want to know.

[somedude]

Thread isn't epic. Poll isn't epic either.

And Nokia isn't going to go full steam into MeeGo either. Not unless by some miracle they sort out the missing services that will make consumers happy, work out the lack of 3rd party vendor support and then give the hackers and geeks a hardware keyboard version with some CPU/GPU combination that's higher spec'd out than the current N9 iteration and somehow do so without causing issues with what's supposed to happen to the WP7 phones.

And all of that has to happen with a much smaller budget. So no. I don't personally foresee MeeGo coming out in any other Nokia phone.

Only one viable way that nokia can penetrate the market ( # of units currently active in end user) so that third party app vendors would like to build an apps for:
Make super deal with the worldwide telco companies to offer the N9 almost free (loosing some profit margins / bending over to get the traction from telco companies).
Sell it unlocked for dirt cheap (loss / not enough margin to cover operating expenses).
Advertisement to directly attract crowds from age group 13 - 40. (multiple ads ok too).
Keep bashing Apple / Droid in TV Commercials especially in USA with comedy theme of what I can achieve with NXX and what you cannot with XXXX. To have a word of mouth ad which every-body talks about. Focus more on the age group ( main focus point to be with-in 20 - 29.
Well in my books all these costs boot load of money which Nokia is not very inclined on investing for the favor of Meego.
SO yes they will make another one.:confused::confused: . Yep and will still be another N900 / N9 niche product. YOU STILL WOULD NOT GET WHAT YOU WANT though.

[somedude]

How many N900 were produced and sold? Could someone answer this question? I just want to know.

YES. I CAN answer.
1M.
(don't quote me on this, you only asked if any one can answer which I did, you did not mention anything about it being accurate or legit)

[Kozzi]

As many said that N9 is not really Meego but Nokia's Maemo which able to run Meego applications. so can it be that there will be no "another" Meego device(s) but one(s) with Maemo 7,8 ,9 ..? I'm getting confused about harmattan and meego, please if someone can explain.


nvm found an answer to my question:
Meego and Harmattan: Clearing a path (http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3678)

[misterc]

if they are still around, could the 5 NOKIA employees confirm they are still working on a "N10"?

thanks, but no thanks ;)

[qwertqwert]

Harmattan - no
MeeGo - well it's Intel there ...Maybe 2013 ...alone ...

[marmistrz]

why would they invest in MeeGo developing if no Linux phone would come?

[flywheel]

We will se MeeGo Handset devices in the future - from manufacturers like LG. But not from Nokia, which has been paid an extremely large sum of mony to dump everything they had.

For some bizarre they had commited themselves for release the N9 - I have no idea what the hell the N950 is good for, for Nokia.

[jolo]

Maybe, if Windows Phone completely fails.

[misterc]

Maybe, if Windows Phone completely fails.

maybe the question shouldn't be whether wp will fail, but how quickly.

the only reason why m@ke$$h!t, oups, sorry, m$, of course, is where it is now is because 30 yrs ago, there was a vacuum that the company could fill.
this is not the case (any more) in the mobile phone area, not even in the smart phone market.
thus m$ will fail, as miserably as its products are crappy.
if NOKIA's management realises this quickly enough, they may have time to (re-)commit to MeeGo.
neither iPotatos nor android needed five years to establish themselves, did they?
and even though iPotatos mostly owe their success to a phenomenal sales (Steve) Job(s), android hardly had anything but being free and backed by a "stable" company going for it.
both of which MeeGo has too by now

so long and thanks for all the fish NOKIA

[Uxi]

I keep hoping Nokia will change their mind and either do at least a small volume production run of the N950 or an improved N960 or N990 or something like that. Swan-song cadillac super flagship with the N8 camera and flash in that sexay aluminum body. Bonus points if they bring back the N900 stylus, IR, notification light, and lens cover/aluminum battery cover with a BP-4L battery under it.

I can dream. :(

[gerbick]

Maybe, if Windows Phone completely fails.

What constitutes a failure?

[misterc]

the definition of a failure obviously depends on whom you ask.

for us, here, on TMO, the simple fact NOT to let the N9 run its course and supply, even sluggishly the devices to all markets which show interest is a failure.
for the NOKIA board, it seems to be an acceptable collateral.

we will have to wait & see when the board feels that 'nough is 'nough....
further drop in share value?
accelerated drop in Symbian sales?
total Flop of the W device/s, by the end of the year, beginning of next year?

[HanzBlix]

I must say my first impressions were that WP would be the main smartphone OS which is really mid range target base (you can't really say iPhone or even Android were made for power users), whereas Meego family was more of the High end power user OS of choice.
Power users will always be a minority segment unfortunately.
Does anyone remember when it was announced that N8 was to be the last N series device to run Symbian, when it was commonplace to misread and assume there would be no more Symbian devices ever?
I hope there are some parallels there, although I have no doubt's regarding Elop being a Microsoft troll.

[efion]

I think Nokia will port Harmattan to the WP7, MeeGo is dead to Nokia... The N9 is just a face saving exercise and the N950 is just the older designed "original" N9 that operators rejected and that they have a ton of them in a warehouse somewhere.

"......that they have a ton of them in a warehouse somewhere."

Let's find where that is!

[Kangal]

you can't really say Android were made for power users

My NOTE wants to slap your face for blasphemy!

[QUOTE=HanzBlix;1149834]
whereas Meego family was more of the High end power user OS of choice.

Lol no. MeeGo was meant to be the iOS equivalent, except it packs the necessary features to be more "powerful" than Android. I really do mourn for MeeGo, Mer is no longer looking promising.

[jalyst]

Lol no. MeeGo was meant to be the iOS equivalent, except it packs the necessary features to be more "powerful" than Android.

Agreed, kinda.

, Mer is no longer looking promising.

Way too early to be coming to that conclusion.

[jaripi]

A lot of speculations here ... I personally believe that Meego (harmattan) is still there, when Mr. Elop is already gone ... but I believe also that Windows was a right choice for Nokia just at the moment ... of course, all that is just an opionion of one single happy N9 owner, who is waiting to have PR 1.2 soon and then, PR 1.3, which proves me that Nokia is supporting and developing Meego Harmattan for the future ...

[larux]

A lot of speculations here ... I personally believe that Meego (harmattan) is still there, when Mr. Elop is already gone ... but I believe also that Windows was a right choice for Nokia just at the moment ... of course, all that is just an opionion of one single happy N9 owner, who is waiting to have PR 1.2 soon and then, PR 1.3, which proves me that Nokia is supporting and developing Meego Harmattan for the future ...

Of course they are supporting and developing. However, we won't see geeky devices with terminal anymore. Instead we will see topnotch user experience and devkit based on Qt. What's inside the box (OS) will be hidden and not available for customers anymore.

Personally I will happily switch into "dumb phones" if such phones include Qt and swipeUI with some cloud integration. I can do more advanced things with other gadgets.

[misterc]

I must say my first impressions were that WP would be the main smartphone OS which is really mid range target base (you can't really say iPhone or even Android were made for power users), whereas Meego family was more of the High end power user OS of choice.
Power users will always be a minority segment unfortunately.
Power users <=> minority
let's see... Audi S8, BMW 760, Mercedes S600...
these are cars full of (not too bleeding-edge) technology, all aimed at top management & the like...
NOKIA communicator? it was THE top manager mobile phone; the last evolution of the communicator series (E7) has a hw kbd too, runs belle...

so why don't we see more S8s, 760s & S600s or communicators?
well, even top managers are customers and if Apple or Lexus come along with a GOOD LOOKING (even though technologically inferior) product and SELL IT WELL, ppl go for it, top management included.

WP <=> main smart-phone OS?
not sure on which planet you have been living (on vacation?) in the past year, but obviously ppl are tired of m@ke$$h!t's crap...
they are simply not buying in it anymore, certainly not if they have the choice... think of it as the US car makers; they sat on their a@@es for too long (even though LostDOS imMobilized was one of the 1st OS to try & compete w/ GEOS / Symbian v6...) and now are playing catch up, even though the comparison is limited in that mobile phone OSes are a different ball game then PC OSes...
well, in a way it isn't... big cars are out, small cars reign and... US car makers have no f###ing clue how to make those :confused: :eek:

Does anyone remember when it was announced that N8 was to be the last N series device to run Symbian, when it was commonplace to misread and assume there would be no more Symbian devices ever?
I hope there are some parallels there, although I have no doubt's regarding Elop being a Microsoft troll.
got your drift... you hope the N9 will get an upgrade path to Maemo 2012 :D :cool:

[captainofiron]

I hope there will be, but I dont think anything else will come out.

If anything Nokia N10 just sounds bad. "En Ten" Doesnt sound like a sleek market-able name.

But then again why did it go N95->N96->N97->N8??->N9

I guess they figured N98 and N99 sounded odd... wow I really got off on a tangent

[patlak]

A lot of speculations here ... I personally believe that Meego (harmattan) is still there, when Mr. Elop is already gone ... but I believe also that Windows was a right choice for Nokia just at the moment ... of course, all that is just an opionion of one single happy N9 owner, who is waiting to have PR 1.2 soon and then, PR 1.3, which proves me that Nokia is supporting and developing Meego Harmattan for the future ...

How was WP a right choice? Nokia had 2 ready devices, N9 and N950. They could have been releasing a 4th MeeGo device now. This changed their whole 99% ready ecosystem, MeeGo + Symbian + S40 + Qt + Ovi services. It would have been a perfectly unified, yet diverse ecosystem. WP is fragmenting Nokia's offering and lacks the basic 10 year old features, such as Mass Storage mode and lack of a PC client (Zune, iTunes).

All this was proprietary. Please do tell me, how WP was a good plan, even for a "moment." Also, if Nokia was smart, they could have just slapped Maemo 5 on a 10 inch tablet and be done with the tablet war (Honeycomb is a M5 wannabe).

[patlak]

There won't ever be another MeeGo device from Nokia, that's for sure. However, there might be a chance for Maemo since there was NO mention of its death.

[quipper8]

I think I remember a long time ago in a presentation, nokia was talking about some 'S' high end devices. The graphic was like a house or something and the 'S' device branch was the chimney. Of course, that was pre-WP days I think.

[Sourav.dubey]

Well as far as new meego handset is concerned from nokia
i think they will launch it as they already released an update to n9
this means nokia team is still working to develop meego

hope they will lanch it worldwide and not in limited quantity

[patlak]

I think I remember a long time ago in a presentation, nokia was talking about some 'S' high end devices. The graphic was like a house or something and the 'S' device branch was the chimney. Of course, that was pre-WP days I think.

N8 is the last N-series Symbian device according to that chart. N-series was planned to continue with Maemo, while S-series with Symbian.

[rcolistete]

[QUOTE=HanzBlix;1149834]you can't really say Android were made for power users

My NOTE wants to slap your face for blasphemy!

Depends on each user needs.

Android < 4 does not have... screenshot ! Or you have to root and install extra software... ridiculous !

Programming directly on Android is very limited, N810, N900 and N9 is 10x better. For example, Python UI is a lot worse than Python on Maemo 4, Maemo 5 and MeeGo Harmattan.

Oh, my old Psion Siena 512KB with SIBO 16 bits (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psion_Siena) was a lot better than Android 2.x/3.x and iOS 5 for many tasks...

[ajalkane]

No more MeeGo devices. No new maemo devices during 2012.

[jaripi]

N8 is the last N-series Symbian device according to that chart. N-series was planned to continue with Maemo, while S-series with Symbian.

http://www.unwiredview.com/2011/11/08/a-new-nokia-camera-flagship-with-optical-zoom-to-succeed-n8-this-spring-still-runs-on-symbian/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+UnwiredView+%28Unwired+View%2 9

Nonsense, there will be a new N8 too ... it is not a secret ...

[patlak]

http://www.unwiredview.com/2011/11/08/a-new-nokia-camera-flagship-with-optical-zoom-to-succeed-n8-this-spring-still-runs-on-symbian/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+UnwiredView+%28Unwired+View%2 9

Nonsense, there will be a new N8 too ... it is not a secret ...

Reading comprehension FTW! Reread what I wrote, again and read it sloooooowly....

[jaripi]

Reading comprehension FTW! Reread what I wrote, again and read it sloooooowly....

I reread it slowly again ... sorry (laugh)

[TransTech]

I wish Nokia release N950 for the masses... :) with Nemo on it.. ;)

[jalyst]

N8 is the last N-series Symbian device according to that chart. N-series was planned to continue with Maemo, while S-series with Symbian.

Yeah i remember that chart... sigh... what could've been...