Nokia N9 with WindowsPhone Mango leaked- Full Video

[zymo]

It looks like a N9, it feels like a N9 but it doesn’t run MeeGo!!

http://www.technet.hu/telefon/20110624/exkluziv_video_elop_bemutatja_az_elso_windowsos_no kiat/

This a real marketing disaster for Nokia!

[tissot]

It looks like a N9, it feels like a N9 but it doesn’t run MeeGo!!

http://www.technet.hu/telefon/20110624/exkluziv_video_elop_bemutatja_az_elso_windowsos_no kiat/

This a real marketing disaster for Nokia!

Why?
It has been said that N9 wont be coming to the markets where first wave of WP will be sold.
Like Finland gets N9 first, but no WP.

Looks like Dsmobile was right about one of the first WP phones being N9.

[Kozzi]

It looks like a N9, it feels like a N9 but it doesn’t run MeeGo!!

http://www.technet.hu/telefon/20110624/exkluziv_video_elop_bemutatja_az_elso_windowsos_no kiat/

This a real marketing disaster for Nokia!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1lsJOwdmfA

http://www.technet.hu/data/cikk/39/68/72/cikk_396872/2.jpg

[Ministeri]

Windows 7 Phone started to look old at the latest the minute Harmattan was announced.

Elop wanted to stick out, so he chose a non-customizable platform which is used catastrophically (by sells) by multiple manufacturers.

[ericsson]

It looks like a N9, it feels like a N9 but it doesn’t run MeeGo!!

http://www.technet.hu/telefon/20110624/exkluziv_video_elop_bemutatja_az_elso_windowsos_no kiat/

This a real marketing disaster for Nokia!

LOL, Nokia the reincarnation of unpredictability.

[larux]

It looks like a N9, it feels like a N9 but it doesn’t run MeeGo!!

http://www.technet.hu/telefon/20110624/exkluziv_video_elop_bemutatja_az_elso_windowsos_no kiat/

This a real marketing disaster for Nokia!

Yep. I got the link in twitter, watched video and went to vomit. Meego-Harmattan looked much better. If Nokia board doesn't get it, other companies will - N9 is really good proof-of-concept and will get followers (not by Nokia though)

[ericsson]

This is in fact incredible. From launch the N9 is able to run both WP and MeeGo AND with alian dalvik it can run all Android apps.

Now, do anyone need more reasons to get the N9 ? I guess not :D

[marxian]

Dad: 'Here's your present, son'.

Kid: *Opens present*. 'Wow! Thanks dad, I really wanted an N9. I can't wait to try MeeGo'. *Boots up phone* 'WTF?! It's Windoze. Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!1111!!11 '.

[Andrew_b]

This is in fact incredible. From launch the N9 is able to run both WP and MeeGo AND with alian dalvik it can run all Android apps.

Now, do anyone need more reasons to get the N9 ? I guess not :D

That windows phone was actually a different model to the N9. It had what looks like a hardware camera button and the flash was in a different position.

About the presentation. British Airways flights, wtf? Big deal to like 0.0001% of the public. Why spend so much time on a BA flight booking feature? And why is that ready to show now when so little else is, like maps?

[number41]

This is in fact incredible. From launch the N9 is able to run both WP and MeeGo AND with alian dalvik it can run all Android apps.

Now, do anyone need more reasons to get the N9 ? I guess not :D

If Nokia pulled that one off, I'd get my hat off to mr. Elop. I'm kinda tempted to say Nokia/Elop has been doing it for the lulz, but that one would probably get the Elop dude a name in the Troll's hall of fame.

Heck, he'd probably get his own hall in there.

[Dave999]

why not include a camera button on the n9? or do nokia have to save special feature to cover for that boring GUI on wondows?

[AVee]

Yeah, and the leak was off course totally unintentional...

The whole presentation is completely underwelming as well. They have a British Airways app, which is nice for BA but doesn't really tell me anything about the platform. Apart from that Windows Phone fails to impress me, I mean, the guy is plugging IE9 as a main advantage. How sad is that?

[Dave999]

Yeah, and the leak was off course totally unintentional...

so what. It is still infomation.

But what he is really saying is : Don't buy n9 with meego. Wait for n9 with windows.

[momcilo]

bastards....

[ericsson]

so what. It is still infomation.

But what he is really saying is : Don't buy n9 with meego. Wait for n9 with windows.

They only look similar but are different devices :(

[zymo]

Yeah, and the leak was off course totally unintentional...

after the n9/Harmattan getting so much positive feedback and more people starting to ask why abandoning this platform, they needed to „leak“ that video. And honestly we didn’t saw much new in that video. The design is known from the n9 and we already have seen some mango previews. and as s.elop said this is just one of many wp devices to come.

[P@t]

So maybe the WP7 will arrive to N9 as an update :)

[just kidding]

[Dave999]

They only look similar but are different devices :(

yes, but nokia have hold back on a few good features just to make sure that the windows phone have the upper hand :(

[zymo]

So maybe the WP7 will arrive to N9 as an update :)

[just kidding]

yo mean DOWNGRADE!!!

[momcilo]

yo mean DOWNGRADE!!!

The thing he showed may not the actual device.

Has anybody witnessed the presentation?

I don't see people clapping hands there. Observer parts where clapping sounds is heard!

[jnack95]

I hope the N9 sells better...for the sake of all of us on this forum!

[tissot]

yes, but nokia have hold back on a few good features just to make sure that the windows phone have the upper hand :(

It will have different SOC for certain, maybe because of that HDMI out as well.

I'm one of the people who like WP UI like some of you might have noticed(:D), but damn, harmattan makes it look like a joke.

[momcilo]

I hope the N9 sells better...for the sake of all of us on this forum!

The bloody thing has haptics...

The whole teasing was about promotion of the bloody windows device.

I don't say the people from maemo were laying. That ****** has outwitted everybody and use it to market his own agenda.

[zymo]

It will have different SOC for certain, maybe because of that HDMI out as well.

I'm one of the people who like WP UI like some of you might have noticed(:D), but damn, harmattan makes it look like a joke.

HDMI? where did you see that?

[Rugoz]

I think this leak is just bad taste and an offence to all the meego people at nokia. If it is truly intentional. wp7 will stand in the limelight long enough in the future.

[zymo]

presenting the n9 was just to show the tech-world that nokia can still build great products. just google for the initial reaction after hands-on with that device. All positive, not like with N8, E7...

[tHMZ]

That's not the N9, it has a camera button so it's hardware-wise a bit different.

[momcilo]

I am customer. I am "delighted".
I am ready to provide Elop with some decent quantities of "drool" (20:29).


The stocks have dropped to 5.58 !!!!! -2.98%

[pusak gaoq]

First its N9 with Meego....then N9 with WP7...after this what next...N9 with Symbian Anna???

With this kind of rumours i believe that...
N9 with WP7 = 90%
N9 with Symbian Anna = 60%
N9 with Meego = 30%

[aligatro]

So, it looks like it's Meego version for

Austria
Bulgaria
China
Croatia
Finland
Greece
Hong Kong
Hungary
Malaysia
New Zealand
Portugal
Poland
Romania
Russia
Saudi Arabia
Serbia
Singapore
Slovenia
Sweden
Switzerland
UAE
Vietnam

and for the rest it's windows.... FU m$hit and Nokia.

[momcilo]

So, it looks like it's Meego version for

Austria
Bulgaria
China
Croatia
Finland
Greece
Hong Kong
Hungary
Malaysia
New Zealand
Portugal
Poland
Romania
Russia
Saudi Arabia
Serbia
Singapore
Slovenia
Sweden
Switzerland
UAE
Vietnam

and for the rest it's windows.... FU m$hit and Nokia.

You can always ask someone to buy one for you and send it you.

[Bernard]

Since all three operating systems are very different, it doesn't make sense to have identical hardware.

Harmattan is very much OMAP3, Windows Phone Snapdragon and Symbian is stuck with ARM11 chips.
ARM11 chips are the least expensive, followed by snapdragon and OMAP3. Dual Core chips are a lot more expensive, and are mostly advantages for multitasking, so that may be more of a tablet/pad kind of chip.

[Verythrax]

Yeah, WP7 needs Snapdragon, so it just have the N9 case, it will be a different beast inside.

And like I said in another thread:

Elop is a dick. He couldn't stand people praising MeeGo over WP7, what would make his strategy sink, so less than 2 days after the N9 was announced, he's trying to kill it saying that this is the last MeeGo device and showing off an unfinished WP7 device to generate buzz.

[Bernard]

So, it looks like it's Meego version for

Austria
Bulgaria
China
Croatia
Finland
Greece
Hong Kong
Hungary
Malaysia
New Zealand
Portugal
Poland
Romania
Russia
Saudi Arabia
Serbia
Singapore
Slovenia
Sweden
Switzerland
UAE
Vietnam

and for the rest it's windows.... FU m$hit and Nokia.

The first Nokia Windows phone offering:
Netherlands
France
Germany
UK
Spain
Italy

No overlap. I guess to avoid customer confusion.

[Dave999]

nokia also release it in small countrys, (with few exceptions). that will also limit the sales of the meego device over windows 7.

[riceboy]

So maybe the WP7 will arrive to N9 as an update :)

[just kidding]

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j208/dogfightspl/64db348a.png

[aligatro]

You can always ask someone to buy one for you and send it you.

Buying it is not a problem. I can almost always buy from Asian resellers here. The loss of warranty is a problem. If you live in Canada and buy phone from USA, you then must have a US address to get it fixed/replaced.

[afaq]

I don't understand how Nokia thinks that by losing part of its core 'fan' base (us) it can sell more devices. I have owned Nokia only devices for the past 11 years because no other alternative existed for me. All of a sudden, in a matter of a week actually, I feel zero loyalty towards Nokia. Proving the theory that true enthusiasts of high end technology do not follow brands but actual technological advancements. Once Nokia, it's no longer clear who takes that throne. Come on LG - give us a full throttle Meego device!

I physically cringed when i saw WP on the N9. Yuck.

[Verythrax]

The first Nokia Windows phone offering:
Netherlands
France
Germany
UK
Spain
Italy

No overlap. I guess to avoid customer confusion.

So Brazil will get WP7, possibly? it doesn't make any sense. We never were treated as a high-end consumer market. We always get the dumbphones, and the smartphones with a hell of a delay.

It's one of the biggest Nokia markets for sure, but WP7 have no presence here. And we have a gigantic open source community here.

[pusak gaoq]

there never going to be N9 with two different version, Meego & WP7...one must be sacrifice to make sure the other survive...in this case Elop will kill Meego on N9...like it or not the only way Meego will rise is if we kill Elop before he kill Meego... :)

[NvyUs]

Sick MoFo, After i get N9 I'm finished With Nokia

[BigBadGuber!]

Great news, as WP7 will also get a superb hardware....so NOKIA will rock in both directions and you have a choice of your OS!!!

On gsmarena and elsewhere the news are all GOOD and enthusiastic.

[Verythrax]

Nokia shares raised 6% when the N9 was announced, now it went down 3% when the WP7 phone was shown:

http://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3ANOK

[sevla]

Nokia shares raised 6% when the N9 was announced, now it went down 3% when the WP7 phone was shown:

http://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3ANOK

wow.. That is REALLY telling..

[Jedibeeftrix]

The first Nokia Windows phone offering:
Netherlands
France
Germany
UK
Spain
Italy

No overlap. I guess to avoid customer confusion.

http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/06/countries-nokia-n9/

[Texrat]

Why?
It has been said that N9 wont be coming to the markets where first wave of WP will be sold.
Like Finland gets N9 first, but no WP.

Looks like Dsmobile was right about one of the first WP phones being N9.

I think it has marketing disaster potential due to the confusion it's likely to cause. <rhetorical> Haven't there been enough mixed/conflicting/bizarre messages from Nokia? </rhetorical>

EDIT: Ah, I see we have confirmation that WP7/MeeGo target markets are mutually exclusive. <sarcasm> oh yeah, problem solved! :rolleyes: </sarcasm>

[ZackMorris]

Argh, I wonder if the distribution channels will have unlocked MeeGo phones when they're available in the US and the subsidized market which here in the states is how the vast majority of consumers get their phones will only have the WP7 version. I won't have an issue with this strategy if we the consumer have the option. But if Elop gets facist on the consumer it will definitely alienate the loyal Nokia followers that have somehow barely hung in there.

Choices is what drives markets, not sandboxing people into an option they do not want.

[droll]

FOR GOODNESS' SAKE ELOPPPPPPPPPPPPP READ THE SHARE PRICES AND STOP BEING SO ARROGANT.

N9 launch = people like
WP7 = people don't like.
people = nokia's market. nokia's $$$. nokia's future.

[stickymick]

Looks like Nokia is the new Samsung, where everything looks the same until you switch it on.

[tissot]

So Brazil will get WP7, possibly? it doesn't make any sense. We never were treated as a high-end consumer market. We always get the dumbphones, and the smartphones with a hell of a delay.

It's one of the biggest Nokia markets for sure, but WP7 have no presence here. And we have a gigantic open source community here.

Though as you are heavy on Nokia and are not over saturated on iphone or Android i can see how making WP for that would make sense.

N9 is certainly the right version for Finland rather than WP. Finland was no doubt only country in the world where N900 sold a lot and you could see it weelkly on the streets.

[Dave999]

I think the lists are correct, since my country is on the harmattan list ;). But I wonder. How did nokia come up with the lists... I would want to be in that meeting where they decided that :D

[chase15]

Godddd... WP7 is ssoo soo boring... -.-

[Verythrax]

What bothers me the most is that the WP7 will have a better hardware, because of the mandatory chipset from the WP7 spec sheet.

That will be the final nail in the coffin, as everybody will read the specs and assume that the WP7 phone is superior. Nokia even bothered to put a dedicated camera button on that :(

[Daneel]

Excuse me for being so blunt and foul but this is bull$hit.

This just goes to prove that most big companies are nothing but money making machines, the "goodness" within Nokia came from the low level employee, developers and designers who stayed in touch with this communty.
The top guys who had any decency and morals already left trying to find their fortune in different places.

I was not going to buy the N9 but this feels like a painful punch bellow the belt, i can only imagine how the people who worked on harmattan feel like.

[ankurs]

if you watch the video closely, he says the UI will be reused .... aka will see wp7 with n9 UI sometime in future

[mrojas]

Since all three operating systems are very different, it doesn't make sense to have identical hardware.

Harmattan is very much OMAP3, Windows Phone Snapdragon and Symbian is stuck with ARM11 chips.
ARM11 chips are the least expensive, followed by snapdragon and OMAP3. Dual Core chips are a lot more expensive, and are mostly advantages for multitasking, so that may be more of a tablet/pad kind of chip.

I am starting to think that one of Symbian's problems is that they haven't adequately ported it yet to ARMv7 instruction set (i.e. Cortex A8), and that is the reason Symbian is still using ARM11 chips.

[Dave999]

if you watch the video closely, he says the UI will be reused .... aka will see wp7 with n9 UI sometime in future

Windows will be renamed as meego.

[ankurs]

Windows will be renamed as meego.

lol , microsoft and opersource dont go hand in hand

the n9 ui is made by nokia, so they can use it on whichever platform they want & from what elop hits, its coming to wp

[abbra]

It was said multiple times that heritage of MeeGo/Maemo work at Nokia will be used everywhere else in Nokia products. We've got N900's icons reuse on Symbian first, now industrial design reuse for WP7.

For a company like Nokia it makes sense to reuse what is possible. Sometimes this causes issues for consumers who think that Symbian Anna icons on the screen mean everything underneath is also Symbian but that usually comes with the help of sensationalist journalists who can't grasp a thing.

This reuse of N9 body shell actually makes N9 case stronger -- it will be released because there is now no excuse for not reusing the same production lines, at least from operational perspective.

It will be very interesting to see if UX concepts will be swallowed by Microsoft when Nokia would try to contribute them as part of UX differentiator -- if we believe into the point that only MS is responsible for the software of WP7 platform.

[Maj3stic]

Who else thinks the British Airways app is pretty cool? Yes there's a lot of flashy unnecessary stuff to make it look better and complicated but then again who doesn't like overly flashy complicated stuff, like my n900 :P

[Dave999]

lol , microsoft and opersource dont go hand in hand

the n9 ui is made by nokia, so they can use it on whichever platform they want & from what elop hits, its coming to wp

I doubt that nokia can make big changes to the OS. I'm sure Microsoft want the GUI pretty much intact. But nokia might been allowed to improve the OS as a whole.

[ankurs]

I doubt that nokia can make big changes to the OS. I'm sure Microsoft want the GUI pretty much intact. But nokia might been allowed to improve the OS as a whole.

Nokia CAN modify wp7 & parts of it will go back to Microsoft to be integrated back into the core.

it might not happen with wp7.5 , but i do believe the n9 ui will endup in nokia wp7 handsets

[zlatokosi]

So Brazil will get WP7, possibly? it doesn't make any sense. We never were treated as a high-end consumer market. We always get the dumbphones, and the smartphones with a hell of a delay.

It's one of the biggest Nokia markets for sure, but WP7 have no presence here. And we have a gigantic open source community here.

That last sentence just answered your own question. Sad but true. The new Nokia (and I thought they only changed their fonts....)

[AndyNokia232]

That demo of the multitasking... how is that better than what was demoed on the N9?! It's like Symbian multitasking, which requires more work.

I still think the best multitasking is on the N900 with camkeyd. Period.

[juanenrique]

http://www.memecat.com/images/memes/chris_crocker_leave_britney_alone.jpg

leave n9 (harmattan) alone!

[ericsson]

People listen up, Ericsson has a list of disruptive messages :

1. Nokias strategy should be crystal clear to anybody by now, yet all you do is whine about how ugly Elop is.

2. WP is for mid to high end devices and business devices, and the transition from phone to tablet to pc will be seamless - eventually.

3. MeeGo and Symbian will have to go (although not entirely sure about Symbian).

4. A new smartphone platform will emerge with the N9 UI (Qt). It will be low to mid end and a few more geeky devices. The OS will be S40 or some other light weight multitasking one (yes, S40 is in fact multitasking). Could even be Symbian, but I somehow doubt it.

Ericsson looked at all that disruptiveness, and thought - this will be cooool :D Nokia is da Man :cool:

[MINKIN2]

Who else thinks the British Airways app is pretty cool? Yes there's a lot of flashy unnecessary stuff to make it look better and complicated but then again who doesn't like overly flashy complicated stuff, like my n900 :P

Gotta admit that I quite like it, but it would make me want hammer my thumb in to the screen in vain with the hope of throwing a flash granade through the flight-deck doors and ducking behind a chair ;)

I would not have it myself through... The thought of losing my phone and having some undesirable not return it with all my regular info is bad enough, but have them knowing when I am out of the country too with any personal info is f*** scary.


On topic: Elop is playing one hell of a dirty game here. It seems as though he does not dare to give people a choice, even at the own cost of Nokia.

I pray to god that Nok+WP7 fails. Only then would the board consider getting rid of him, hopefully that will not be too late.

[govprog]

But they have called it "Sea Ray" ? So we wouldn't confuse them with each other:D

[larux]

if you watch the video closely, he says the UI will be reused .... aka will see wp7 with n9 UI sometime in future

No, we don't see WP-phones with N9 UI.

Instead we will see following:
- low-end gadget (~1ghz)
- N9 UI
- Qt

Experience is so simple and intuitive that it will fit very well into entry level category.

[govprog]

People listen up, Ericsson has a list of disruptive messages :

1. Nokias strategy should be crystal clear to anybody by now, yet all you do is whine about how ugly Elop is.

2. WP is for mid to high end devices and business devices, and the transition from phone to tablet to pc will be seamless - eventually.

3. MeeGo and Symbian will have to go (although not entirely sure about Symbian).

4. A new smartphone platform will emerge with the N9 UI (Qt). It will be low to mid end and a few more geeky devices. The OS will be S40 or some other light weight multitasking one (yes, S40 is in fact multitasking). Could even be Symbian, but I somehow doubt it.

Ericsson looked at all that disruptiveness, and thought - this will be cooool :D Nokia is da Man :cool:
Yes,No and No. In fact, WP is using the compact .net framework while the tablets are using the desktop version. As a result, "Seamless" transition is impossible.

Symbian will stay until 2015 at least. No proof. But it's clear that nokia will not abandon it soon.

The "dual core" innovation is not available in some countries. I guess those high end phones would prefer the distribution in the developed countries instead. So, the N9 will be announced earlier than the Galaxy S2(In those countries).

[momcilo]

if you watch the video closely, he says the UI will be reused .... aka will see wp7 with n9 UI sometime in future

Well the conecept of the UI will be reused, you know to provide superb Windows User Experience. :mad:

[gerbick]

Hmm... I actually think I like the WP7 phone better than the N9.

[zlatokosi]

I love how at ~12:50 of that video the presenter says about WP7 users:
that many users will be ex-Nokia users...

Ha!

[govprog]

Hmm... I actually think I like the WP7 phone better than the N9.
If they announce harmattan as an "ecosystem" then yes.

I can't even imagine how horrible it could be.;)

[juanenrique]

...i like the idea of n9+wp7 in terms of ecosystem potential, but i'd still prefer the idea of n9+harmattan in terms of ux & open-source potential... if only i could it all and get it now...

...btw... who here would like to have ie9 as your phone browser?...

[Daneel]

That is so much crap in one post i actually smelled sewage.

People listen up, Ericsson has a list of disruptive messages :

1. Nokias strategy should be crystal clear to anybody by now, yet all you do is whine about how ugly Elop is.

2. WP is for mid to high end devices and business devices, and the transition from phone to tablet to pc will be seamless - eventually.

3. MeeGo and Symbian will have to go (although not entirely sure about Symbian).

4. A new smartphone platform will emerge with the N9 UI (Qt). It will be low to mid end and a few more geeky devices. The OS will be S40 or some other light weight multitasking one (yes, S40 is in fact multitasking). Could even be Symbian, but I somehow doubt it.

Ericsson looked at all that disruptiveness, and thought - this will be cooool :D Nokia is da Man :cool:

[tissot]

Something pretty horrible if true said by dsmobile. He has proven himself many times over at MR forums. Newest being this Windows phone being clone of Nokia's nonqwerty MeeGo phone said 2 months ago.


News flash Windows phone is leaked because MS Deal to influense N9 sales also N9 is delayed until Windows phone is ready to get in stores also.

N9 is published because Deal with Intel and if not this would never seen the daylight. :(

I am not really fan of troijan theory but sabotage to own products just does not feel really what Nokia should be doing currently and this just feels like that.

It would make kind of sense as of why the release date was not given for phone that looks ready.

[ericsson]

That is so much crap in one post i actually smelled sewage.

I think the smell of sewage entered at the exact time you entered, coincidence - maybe.

Anyway, wake up little baby boy. What I presented to you is the future of Nokia, if you don't like it - who cares.

[gerbick]

I think the smell of sewage entered at the exact time you entered, coincidence - maybe.

Anyway, wake up little baby boy. What I presented to you is the future of Nokia, if you don't like it - who cares.

As it stands, it seems if you're a Maemo fan, you've already gotten used to the smell of downhill flowing sewage. Been like that for quite a while.

[Daneel]

I don't believe that anyone will buy the Mango leak was not on purpose.
The timing is just too precise.

I think the smell of sewage entered at the exact time you entered, coincidence - maybe.

Anyway, wake up little baby boy. What I presented to you is the future of Nokia, if you don't like it - who cares.

You presented a bunch of self sustained crap that would even make Eldar think twice before publishing.
I don't care about the future of Nokia, its a money making machine just as any other company is.

[ezameht]

It's too bad there is no alternative with MeeGo on the horizon. I feel that Nokia is not worth my money with this stupid strategy.

Using my N900 for another year is OK but I hope that 2012 will be a better year for MeeGo on handsets...

[tkatchev]

Nokia has no future.

In three years Nokia would be extremely lucky if they're still out there making rubber boots. As for phones -- no chance.

This is part of the plan. Microsoft is sacrificing Nokia to give WP7 two more years of zombie life-support.

WP7 is a massive flop, if not for Nokia's self-destruction, WP7 would be a cancelled project within 2012.

I think the smell of sewage entered at the exact time you entered, coincidence - maybe.

Anyway, wake up little baby boy. What I presented to you is the future of Nokia, if you don't like it - who cares.

[Changegames]

is it a dedicated camera button or windows button?

[mobiledivide]

To pile on if you watch the whole video you can see Elop at the end say the N9 will come out by the end of the year. It is ready to ship they have developer devices ready to ship today. I believe MS called yesterday and said delay this product and ship them simultaneously.

This really stinks, I understand corporate politics but this is really terrible. Nokia is a real brand with hardcore loyalists and Elop doesn't understand that (or does and doesn't care), I mean really how many HTC fanboys are there out there.

Something pretty horrible if true said by dsmobile. He has proven himself many times over at MR forums. Newest being this Windows phone being clone of Nokia's nonqwerty MeeGo phone said 2 months ago.




It would make kind of sense as of why the release date was not given for phone that looks ready.

[ericsson]

I don't believe that anyone will buy the Mango leak was not on purpose.
The timing is just too precise.



You presented a bunch of self sustained crap that would even make Eldar think twice before publishing.
I don't care about the future of Nokia, its a money making machine just as any other company is.

I don't know what self sustained crap is, but anyway. What I presented is only what Nokia has communicated the last couple of days. If you had listen to what Nokia and Elop actually say (and it is all there on the web), it should all be very obvious. But, as many here on TMO, you rather continue living in your smelly fantasy world where Elop is satan, and MeeGo is the cute little lamb he ate for breakfast. The word pathetic doesn't even start describing how you are acting.

[zlatokosi]

I don't believe that anyone will buy the Mango leak was not on purpose.
The timing is just too precise.


And the video editing.... couldn't have been an audience member.

[tissot]

To pile on if you watch the whole video you can see Elop at the end say the N9 will come out by the end of the year. It is ready to ship they have developer devices ready to ship today. I believe MS called yesterday and said delay this product and ship them simultaneously.

This really stinks, I understand corporate politics but this is really terrible. Nokia is a real brand with hardcore loyalists and Elop doesn't understand that (or does and doesn't care), I mean really how many HTC fanboys are there out there.

And Nokia is the absolute last mobile company that needs this extra sh1t. They make a great product, release it when ready, not get stuck in to these politics.
Kind of ironic that when they finally make product that captures people outside of Nokia fan base they can't release it because of their supposed savior.

[gerbick]

And the video editing.... couldn't have been an audience member.

That video wasn't from an audience member. It's branded in the end with Nokia's indicia. It's more than likely to have been an internal video that didn't stay internal for long.

Regardless... timing is impeccable. N9... shortest Maemo release ever? We'll see...

[BigBadGuber!]

I am so happy I bought NOKIA shares yesterday.....its only going to go up!! Elop is great. Hail the chief boys

[SAABoy]

http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/23/nokias-first-windows-phone-images-and-video/

after reading the engadget link I am disgusted, as most of you are... if this intra-Nokia politics really sabotages N9 in favor of the WP7 thing then i am going to give up on anything good in this world... it sounds like N9 might not even be released in north american market in order to help the WP7...

edit: I cant seem to find the video...

[uppercase]

This reminds me of the linux on eeepc in 2007.
When the first eeepc came out it was a one of a kind laptop - small and cheap, and you could only get it with linux on it. I had high hopes for that thing, thinking that if people will be forced to try linux, they will like it and want it on all their computers. But then m$ put some xp on it and that was the death of the linux version. Given a choice, windows users choose windows.
I once stood in a line and the officer had a problem with her windows. I told the woman next to me "with linux that would never have happend" she said "linux, I tried firefox once but I didn't like it".
firefox.
That's as far as she would go out of the M$ cocoon.
Most people don't know what is an OS, what is flash player, what is ram. They see two similar phones, one has Windows logo on it, the other is, something else.
Guess what they'll choose.

[maxximuscool]

I think this model is not called N9 but it will be called W9 :D hahah

[momcilo]

During the video you can hear hand clapping from time to time (each time Elop says something smart). But if you watch the video, you can see that the front raw is not clapping at all.

Also, there is a previous event where Maemo team has demonstrated their device. That was cut out.

The guy who presented the WF7, did not sound too reassured.

My guess is that the mood within company is pretty grim now, in fact much grimmer than in February. I've got a distinctive feeling, that he has created situation where both team members and external audience would have a hope that the device will succeed.

Then he pretty much extinguished that hope.

[vivmak]

British Airways flights details ???????????? give me a break, was he presenting to school kids, everyone knows you can program it for any Linux device and for Nokia specifically I cant see a reason why it cant be done in Qt.

N9 Meego version looked far better, I am confused at the windows screen, there is a flickering and animated xbox and part of screen is doing something (i think playing video ) in the middle and squares around it, that is a silly layout. HTC does much better job in splitting the screens with currently playing app and showing other buttons.

[tissot]

New picture of N9 Windows version?
http://ww4.sinaimg.cn/large/6252122djw1dgvf7twni4j.jpg

http://nokiagadgets.com/?p=1935

[mrojas]

New picture of N9 Windows version?
http://ww4.sinaimg.cn/large/6252122djw1dgvf7twni4j.jpg

http://nokiagadgets.com/?p=1935

So they made the WP7 keys into softkeys. Awesome Nokia differentiation! /s

[casketizer]

This square crap UI is so hideously ugly.
I already hate it on my xboxes with a passion....

[mrojas]

Something pretty horrible if true said by dsmobile. He has proven himself many times over at MR forums. Newest being this Windows phone being clone of Nokia's nonqwerty MeeGo phone said 2 months ago.

It would make kind of sense as of why the release date was not given for phone that looks ready.

That would also go great lengths to show how deep the grip MS has on Nokia. Samsung, HTC and others can release Android and WP7 Phones, but Nokia can't even be allowed to release the N9 before their WP7 phones are ready.

Those rumors about MS buying Nokia seems more and more solid as days passes.

Its pretty obvious Sea Ray was leaked as soon as Nokia realized the huge wave of enthusiasm that the N9 generated (remember Vlad's editorial on Engadget?). Can't have MeeGo threathen WP!

[mikecomputing]

It looks like a N9, it feels like a N9 but it doesn’t run MeeGo!!

http://www.technet.hu/telefon/20110624/exkluziv_video_elop_bemutatja_az_elso_windowsos_no kiat/

This a real marketing disaster for Nokia!

OMG! its doesnt have HWKBD!

[dtergens]

hmm maybe this pic above is a photoshop ^^

[Dave999]

I guess that nokia will give a meego device a higher price than windows phone, plus slightly better hw. N9 not only fighting iOS and android, but nokia as well.

[tissot]

OMG! its doesnt have HWKBD!

Harlow said that there would be Windows Phones available so this wont be the only one on launch.
Though don't really care. I don't mind WP at all, but what Nokia is doing at the moment is really pushing me away from WP.

I so hope dsmobile is wrong and i can pick up N9 Q3 and not wait for some Windows Phones to be ready first. :(

[mikecomputing]

Brainwaching of the engineers has started. I hope they smarted engineers leaves this broken company or doesnt start work for WPsuck.

Btw. I dont think its a leak. If it was a leak we should see the full film where everyone buuu at Mr Flop

[mrojas]

Harlow said that there would Windows Phones available so this wont be the only one on launch.
Though don't really care. I don't mind WP at all, but what Nokia is doing at the moment is really pushing me away from WP.

I so hope dsmobile is wrong and i can pick up N9 Q3 and not wait for some Windows Phones to be ready first. :(

The ideal scenario would be for the phones being similar enough to "transplant" MeeGo to a WP7 phone with keyboard.

[scapegoat845]

Let em try to jam it down my throat here in the U.S. I'm buying the N9 anyway..... :cool:

[zb88]

Let em try to jam it down my throat here in the U.S. I'm buying the N9 anyway..... :cool:

LOL! Exactly. It'll be hilarious if one of my friends comes to me and say Hey I got Nokia phone! and I'll be like oh yeah check mine it's Nokia N9. He'll WTF! I WANT THAT! :D but hell either way I'm getting N9 anyway Nokia and MSFT can go bonk each other as long as I can have N9 in my hands.

[msa]

This square crap UI is so hideously ugly.
I already hate it on my xboxes with a passion....

haters gonna hate, i guess.
i really like the simplistic approach of the wp7-ui.

[mikecomputing]

FOR GOODNESS' SAKE ELOPPPPPPPPPPPPP READ THE SHARE PRICES AND STOP BEING SO ARROGANT.

N9 launch = people like
WP7 = people don't like.
people = nokia's market. nokia's $$$. nokia's future.

he is working for Microsoft he doesnt care...

But I am also pissed :@

[ericsson]

haters gonna hate, i guess.
i really like the simplistic approach of the wp7-ui.

Haters will always hate. The title should change. That phone is not a N9, they only look similar.

[mikecomputing]

I think the lists are correct, since my country is on the harmattan list ;). But I wonder. How did nokia come up with the lists... I would want to be in that meeting where they decided that :D

Very simple. WP7 has no language packs ready for those countrys who will get Maemo (sweden for example)

And I guess finish doesnt want crapOS from America ...yet.... until they have been brainwached as the rest of the world will ;)

[olighak]

Stephen looks like a tool, I don´t understand the Finnish guy when he talks sometimes and the crowd doesn´t seem too interested. Oh and stock went down when this thing came onto the internet.

Great Stephen!

[mikecomputing]

What bothers me the most is that the WP7 will have a better hardware, because of the mandatory chipset from the WP7 spec sheet.

That will be the final nail in the coffin, as everybody will read the specs and assume that the WP7 phone is superior. Nokia even bothered to put a dedicated camera button on that :(

DOnt be so negative Maemo doesnt need better hardware atleast not CPU/GPU cause its runs smooth on older HW but WP need more cause it sucks and is not optimized :D

[mikecomputing]

if you watch the video closely, he says the UI will be reused .... aka will see wp7 with n9 UI sometime in future

Ofcourse Microsoft has not invented anything themselfs they always copy :@

[gerbick]

British Airways flights details ???????????? give me a break, was he presenting to school kids, everyone knows you can program it for any Linux device and for Nokia specifically I cant see a reason why it cant be done in Qt.

Nobody said it couldn't be done in Qt. In fact, it might have been done in Qt.

The problem I have... if it's so easy, why wasn't it done on the N900 that supports Qt?

N9 Meego version looked far better, I am confused at the windows screen, there is a flickering and animated xbox...

I can answer this one... once you create an XBOX avatar, it's animated. The top right of that video was the People live tile, that populates with pictures of people that call you, tweet, e-mail you and will update accordingly.

and part of screen is doing something (i think playing video ) in the middle and squares around it, that is a silly layout. HTC does much better job in splitting the screens with currently playing app and showing other buttons.

To be honest, I thought the Metro UI was ultra stupid until I've been forced to use one for the last month now. To be honest, it's not half bad. In fact, it's a lot similar in some ways to the Harmattan UI in the swiping gesture - I swipe left, I'm going from Home screen into Applications. Swipe right, I'm going back to apps. Swipe up to unlock, and in some areas, swipe up for options or to close an app - only one so far.

[mikecomputing]

I doubt that nokia can make big changes to the OS. I'm sure Microsoft want the GUI pretty much intact. But nokia might been allowed to improve the OS as a whole.

They will be allowed this has also Elop said. My guess is WP8 == Meego Harmattan Swipe UI.

Microsoft is a copypaste company always been...

[GreatGonzo]

I read somewhere (some Nokia engineer) that WP isn't under development for the N9 SOC and is only developed for a specific generation of ARM SoC.
Wouldn't surprise me as I doubt any MS product can run on low powered hardware.

[GreatGonzo]

Microsoft is a copypaste company always been...

Except on Windows Phone 7 :D

[MoJo]

Calm down guys, they did this for a reason. The similarities between Stingray and the N9 aesthetically is to obviously cut down in production costs ... the same reason why Palm and HP have been throwing that beautiful OS into the same hardware form factor with incremental updates.

I happen to like both actually ... but for a WP7 device I rather opt for a hardware keyboard version as it becomes available ... a N950 chassis with WP7 would be the ideal. The N9 is a one of a kind MeeGo device so I don't have a choice but to take it as it comes.

As for the limited release for the N9, that is what has me worried. Buying it is one thing but having to deal with support across borders is an arduous process not worth repeating. I also hate the idea of soft key's on a 3.9" screen especially when the bottom looks good enough to take touch based buttons ... I guess it still brings down the cost.

I believe this was an intentional leak pressured from MS to take the limelight of the N9. MS although could not possibly delay a product which is not their own when all they are providing is the software ... they can freeze the OS shipments but they can't do that on another line of OS and hardware. Anyone who would get into a contract of that sort is insane, and might as well outright sell the company to MS.

If the phone is ready Nokia will release it, but the main difference between the current release and past Nokia releases is the level of launch readiness that have achieved. The documentation, the optimized OS, the SDK's, the product website, the spec sheet have all been made available. The next is the marketing in attaining launch partners, promotional pricing, packaging, an inventory channel, and the localized ad campaigns if any. This I would assume to be in the span of 2 months before general availability. If the phone isn't released shortly then their is a problem. They crucially need to launch this phone during the 'back to school' seasonal summer shopping.

[mikecomputing]

I read somewhere (some Nokia engineer) that WP isn't under development for the N9 SOC and is only developed for a specific generation of ARM SoC.
Wouldn't surprise me as I doubt any MS product can run on low powered hardware.

http://felipec.wordpress.com/2011/06/21/my-disagreement-with-elop-on-meego/

[Guyver]

They will be allowed this has also Elop said. My guess is WP8 == Meego Harmattan Swipe UI.

Microsoft is a copypaste company always been...

This is exactly what i was thinking. The window 8 demo had the similar swiping through the different multitasking application .

[ste-phan]

Originally Posted by ankurs
if you watch the video closely, he says the UI will be reused .... aka will see wp7 with n9 UI sometime in future

Of course Microsoft has not invented anything themselves they always copy :@
It will not be reused, it will live on. Live is not to be contained, it may show up everywhere.
Elop: ”the point is that the user interface of the N9 will live on…” ~Titanic theme playing~

Calm down guys, they did this for a reason. The similarities between Stingray and the N9 aesthetically is to obviously cut down in production costs ... the same reason why Palm and HP have been throwing that beautiful OS into the same hardware form factor with incremental updates.
For a reason, sure. Maybe the similarities in design are meant for the short lived N9 never do be recognizable on the street!
Unlike with the N900 you will not get any “what is that you are holding” question? (Ironically, even in Nokia sales points I have received this question 2 times)
Everybody will assume your N9 generic –a-child-can-design-it-if-somebody-cramps-the-transistors-in-it-flat-square is just a WP7.
Elop: “the point is that the beautiful industrial design of the N9 will live on….”

This is exactly what i was thinking. The window 8 demo had the similar swiping through the different multitasking application .

This was inevitable. In fact I was already waiting for the painful moment where the MeeGo or Maemo 5 user interface would be introduced by S. Jobs as Apple engineered a revolutionary new way to…
But Microsoft doing through placing their mole inside of Nokia saves them the cost of acquisition or law suites. (Skype and Hotmail, Navision will live on but have cost them)

[NvyUs]

N9 running MeeGo, N9 running Windows phone and Now dadadada.....Wait for it N9 running Android
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/24/nokias-android-flirtations-revealed/

[Daneel]

I don't know why but i have more negative feelings towards the Android one then the Windows one :D

[pusak gaoq]

N9 running MeeGo, N9 running Windows phone and Now dadadada.....Wait for it N9 running Android
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/24/nokias-android-flirtations-revealed/

clearly a fake N9 my friends...we can see at the second picture (upperside on the left) it marks as C0 not N9...

[riceboy]

clearly a fake N9 my friends...we can see at the second picture (upperside on the left) it marks as C0 not N9...

isn't the dev/prototype marked as C0? im sure i've seen that one in one or two pictures. *shrugs*

[NvyUs]

clearly a fake N9 my friends...we can see at the second picture (upperside on the left) it marks as C0 not N9...

Most Nokia prototypes are marked C0 even if they are N,X, E series. There is zero evidence to say its fake

[tissot]

Actually when i first saw it i thought it was fake, but after i saw the C0 i started thinking it could be real.
But really i'm not surprised at all that they would have Android running on some hw in the labs..... doesn't really mean anything.

[gerbick]

Well, that's proof positive that they had at least tested the viability of Android.

Now I'm wondering why they went WP7 over Android and are choosing to ignore Maemo/Harmattan/MeeGo.

There's something to that last part none of us know that extends past the whole "Elop's worshipping his Microsoft lord and masters" stuff floating around.

[ScottishDuck]

Well, that's proof positive that they had at least tested the viability of Android.

Now I'm wondering why they went WP7 over Android and are choosing to ignore Maemo/Harmattan/MeeGo.

There's something to that last part none of us know that extends past the whole "Elop's worshipping his Microsoft lord and masters" stuff floating around.

He was and remains to be a major Microsoft shareholder.

[gerbick]

He was and remains to be a major Microsoft shareholder.

SEC still is the reason why he can't sell/dump his MS stocks.

He also owns a lot of Adobe stock too.

[patlak]

Nokia N9 design ruined for a W logo :( (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpSOKgASZ1s)

[m4r0v3r]

i think this is a good thing. instead of having a lot of devices and confusing people on what to get. they have one platform that can do everything. sure am not crazy about windows phone. but if they get android onboard as well they can maybe regain there place.

[Rauha]

SEC still is the reason why he can't sell/dump his MS stocks.



Actually he already sold all of his MS stocks in February.
Source (http://yle.fi/uutiset/news/2011/02/elop_invests_in_nokia_shares_2373931.html?sendtofr iend=true)

[DrWilken]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo..........! :(

[cipper]

I am so happy I bought NOKIA shares yesterday.....its only going to go up!! Elop is great. Hail the chief boys

Nice try Elop, go post elsewhere!

[dtergens]

Sea Ray has a name? Nokia 800....

http://www.wpcentral.com/new-device-names-hint-upcoming-windows-phones
I bet for Nokia 703 :D

http://mynokiablog.com/2011/08/31/rumours-picture-of-nokia-703-windows-phone-mango-looks-like-nokia-n9sea-ray-available-november/
http://mynokiablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/703s-600x798.jpg

[bbin]

I bet for Nokia 703 :D

How about betting on both? ;)

[dtergens]

How about betting on both? ;)
I agree, possible many WP nokia phone to come for this end of the year.

[dtergens]

Anyway, N9, Sea Ray or what you want, I feel like this for too long time xD :

http://yogierthanthou.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/waiting.jpg