FusionGarage - Grid 10 (Was: Do we have a Nokia Internet Tablet in waiting? Tabco)

[nology]

definitely not Nokia..

[bwalter]

Even if I really love the idea of having a Nokia/Meego tablet with an innovative UX, I still have some doubts:
- the website is very unprofessional
- it has a very vulgar and unelegant style (a company like Nokia would rather not alter its image...)
- very much focused on the CEO
- "We think you’ll be way surprised": according to the speculations, Nokia would not be a big surprise!

TabCo definitely looks more like a smaller company, like Fusion Garage (which failed with the JooJoo tablet). Its CEO loves to talk about "his" ideas and visions, was born in (a suburb of?) Singapore and studied in Oxford ("a very great college"). Or not.

[jnack95]

Anybody guessed Digia yet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWawBt8cXVU

[ossipena]

- very much focused on the CEO


apple? ;)

(+ additional chars)

[roberto b]

Even if I really love the idea of having a Nokia/Meego tablet with an innovative UX,

Fully agree; though had it been Nokia, it would have been a brave move to try to work on their image in the US.

Anyways, whoistabco FB page is now referring to them being "all over the grid", the message was posted around the same time as the FG FCC info leaked ...

Too bad; My original guess wat that all their talk about the CEO was just to be read as reference to the OS..

[bbin]

Oh man! No love for meego then. Makes me cry.

[NOMOS]

Crap, JooJoo blows.

[jalyst]

def. looking like joojoo... so sad...

[gerbick]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

deep breath

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

Sorry, I said I was going to laugh. I meant it.

[unfuccwittable]

wait, when/where was it confirmed to be joojoo?

[cesman]

wait, when/where was it confirmed to be joojoo?
That is what I'd like to know. My thought, is that if it is Meego, it is Intel.

[crisscross]

New clues today:
http://www.whoistabco.com/blog/?p=77

[marrat]

New clues today:
http://www.whoistabco.com/blog/?p=77

"Land of Innovation Tire Company"... Nokian Tires?

[gerbick]

Goodyear, Spirit of Innovation. They started in 1898 in Akron, Ohio but was named after Charles Goodyear, from Springfield, Massachusetts.

[unfuccwittable]

isn't the goodyear thing also a reference to the UI elements in the new tab?

[phedders]

http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-working-on-another-meego-device-tips-insider-02168896/

Hmmm!

[jalyst]

http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-working-on-another-meego-device-tips-insider-02168896/

Hmmm!

Nokia gadget refuted that translation...
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/08/02/slashgear-nokia-working-on-another-meego-device/
Sounds like it only means that MeeGo devs are still being supported, for now.
Not that there's another MeeGo device.

[danramos]

Goodyear, Spirit of Innovation. They started in 1898 in Akron, Ohio but was named after Charles Goodyear, from Springfield, Massachusetts.

Springfield, Massachusetts? Why the hell does that sound familiar?

[eMiL]

Well I think this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRtQa9EE0xI) makes it look like they are at least serious!

[Scharel]

Question #16: Is it Rubik’s Cube interface style?
Answer #16: There will be elements of the interface that might remind you of a Rubik’s Cube.

this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqeeQd-YNL0) looks like Rubik's Cube for me

[Daneel]

That is an interesting advert.

[don_falcone]

Springfield, Massachusetts? Why the hell does that sound familiar?

It's 108mi west from my current location. I dunno? The Simpsons? :D

[mikecomputing]

BT4 Nokia harmattan deviceS

[zymo]

wasn’t there a Nokia Z500 tablet which got leaked at ovi store a couple of month ago?

[tissot]

wasn’t there a Nokia Z500 tablet which got leaked at ovi store a couple of month ago?

There was. Eldar actually leaked that name way before it appeared on OVI store, over year ago. Eldar didn't say anything about the OS back then.
http://mynokiablog.com/2010/06/21/arm-based-meego-nokia-tablet-z500-is-out-to-the-world/el/

[ericsson]

Why not just grab a WeTab?

http://wetab.mobi/en/

[jalyst]

parody of apple ad (1985)
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/08/03/video-tabco-tablet-in-apple-lemmings-parody/

*edit*
my bad already mentioned earlier.

[jalyst]

Srsly doubt this is Nokia...
Would be a massive boost for MeeGo if it was though.
Can't be a WP tablet this soon.

[danramos]

Well I think this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRtQa9EE0xI) makes it look like they are at least serious!

That's actually a really cool commercial. Nicely done. A little eerily "cult"-like for either side by the end.. but still a good commercial.

It's 108mi west from my current location. I dunno? The Simpsons? :D

Springfield, MA... Springfield, MA... OH RIGHT! It's 0 miles in any direction from where I'm sitting! ;)

[gerbick]

Springfield, MA... Springfield, MA... OH RIGHT! It's 0 miles in any direction from where I'm sitting!

So you're Tabco?

I KNEW IT!

[danramos]

So you're Tabco?

I KNEW IT!

[starts hitting you with his hat] SHHhhhhh!!!!

[H3llb0und]

Tell us more Dan... ;)

[sjgadsby]

Tell us more Dan... ;)

Shh! He won't announce or ship his fancy, new tablet until he's sure the billions of replacement styluses and kickstands his factories have been cranking out for the past year will be readily available in every corner store worldwide at launch.

[danramos]

Shh! He won't announce or ship his fancy, new tablet until he's sure the billions of replacement styluses and kickstands his factories have been cranking out for the past year will be readily available in every corner store worldwide at launch.

Also.. extra parts of all kinds. My engineers tell me that includes a super-secret replaceable fuel cell! You will need to replace all your own parts. Downside: You may instantly get an advanced cancer just from opening the unit up. Upside: You'll LOVE this device for the rest of your life. ;)

[cobain4ever]

http://www.cromosomax.com/4033-tabco-es-la-tablet-nokia
The owner of internet domain WhoIsTabCo.com is Nokia, Aerial’s Crew

[Ministeri]

http://www.cromosomax.com/4033-tabco-es-la-tablet-nokia
The owner of internet domain WhoIsTabCo.com is Nokia, Aerial’s Crew

http://www.domain.com/domains/whoisprivacy.php

Check the section "With WHOIS Privacy". Familiar P.O. Box, eh?

I think TabCo has nothing to do with Nokia. Must be the second JooJoo, because this (http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/29/fusion-garages-grid-10-tablet-clears-the-fcc-begs-us-not-to-ca/) just can't be overlooked:

[Viipottaja]

Was this posted yet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z1bwFD9bug

Best view at around 16 sec. Really thin bezels at top and sides if that's what its like.

Intel itself?

[Daneel]

A stab in the dark.

The UI feels like http://www.firstelse.com to me. Especially with those fancy half circles.
They canceled their phone device but i think they are licensing the OS.

[tissot]

A stab in the dark.

The UI feels like http://www.firstelse.com to me. Especially with those fancy half circles.
They canceled their phone device but i think they are licensing the OS.

Seems like somebody else got same thought. ;)
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/08/08/could-tabco-be-else/

Can't say it looks like anything Nokia related. Still could be MeeGo.

[IcyMoustache]

good link!!! seems very close...

[mikecomputing]

http://www.cromosomax.com/4033-tabco-es-la-tablet-nokia
The owner of internet domain WhoIsTabCo.com is Nokia, Aerial’s Crew

Well if its nokia then it will run Microsoft WIndows Tablet => not for me :/

[mikecomputing]

Seems like somebody else got same thought. ;)
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/08/08/could-tabco-be-else/

Can't say it looks like anything Nokia related. Still could be MeeGo.

seems not Meego:/

Someone asked on facebook "r recent video was really awesome...
i wnt to know dat u hav made new OS or used an old one with new UI??"

Answer:

"Our OS is something else! You can find out on August 15. :)"

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Who-is-TabCo/218143931549192

[ysss]

"something else"? That's a dead giveaway...

Nice job guys, I too think you've cracked it.

I just hope that ui is transplanted onto a sane OS. I'm not too crazy if it's hp that's behind TabCo... hp hasn't done well on the mobile space, like ever.

[Mobilesynthesist]

The constant talking about Rubik’s Cubes reminds me of these oldish Meego videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNMPYpHovjk

And what tablet is this "MeeGo synthesizer" dude using? He's already working on N9 version too and has demonstrated it on N950.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mfI1WWmM-g

[crisscross]

And what tablet is this "MeeGo synthesizer" dude using? He's already working on N9 version too and has demonstrated it on N950.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mfI1WWmM-g
I bet you can get a clue by the tags of the video ;D

[Mobilesynthesist]

I bet you can get a clue by the tags of the video ;D

Clue taken :D Thanks for the hint.

[crisscross]

Someone at mynokiablog said that the video was originally named "The Grid teaser" at youtube, then removed and back with the current name.
If that is true Fusion Garage is almost confirmed...

[mikecomputing]

"something else"? That's a dead giveaway...

Nice job guys, I too think you've cracked it.

I just hope that ui is transplanted onto a sane OS. I'm not too crazy if it's hp that's behind TabCo... hp hasn't done well on the mobile space, like ever.

HP? They already has a great Linux OS in form of webos. EVen if its still a "hackerOS" HP:s fokus is on WebOS.

[ysss]

HP? They already has a great Linux OS in form of webos. EVen if its still a "hackerOS" HP:s fokus is on WebOS.

this was what i was commenting at:

Well i finally did remember what the TabCo UI teaser reminded me of, Emblaze by Else.

There’s hasn’t been much of news of these guys after they introduced that amazing looking UI back in 2009 and at the time announced “death of main menu”. There where news early this year that some engineer from Else was picked to work for HP/Palm.

[Daneel]

first else is limo compliant, whatever that means.

http://www.limofoundation.org/

[danramos]

It's the new Commodore 64 tablet!

[jayhule]

Don't think it's Else because of the Anna-looking icons with the squares with rounded edges. (Found in the "sneak-peek" video they posted)

But I did see the half-circle design elements of Else and they seem more than capable of pulling this off.

[gerbick]

Answer me this... could Fusion Garage have built a MeeGo based tablet with a new UI based on technology that we've seen, but not for quite some time?

[0102762]

http://www.firstelse.com & http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z1bwFD9bug "built from the ground up".... it´s Else´s UI for sure

[H3llb0und]

Please join us on Monday, August 15 at 9 a.m. (PT) as the man behind TabCo shows you the tablet you’ve been waiting for.

We promise, nothing will be left untold.
...
This event will be hosted on our UStream Channel.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/tabco

[wmarone]

first else is limo compliant, whatever that means.

http://www.limofoundation.org/

They seem less obsessed with having a proprietary framework than they used to be, but they are pretty much as anti-community as you can get without being totally closed source.

[don_falcone]

They seem less obsessed with having a proprietary framework than they used to be, but they are pretty much as anti-community as you can get without being totally closed source.

And they have mostly shitty handsets. I thought that clamshell fad was mostly US some years ago, but it seems JP is crazy 'bout that too.

[wmarone]

And they have mostly shitty handsets. I thought that clamshell fad was mostly US some years ago, but it seems JP is crazy 'bout that too.

Japan has always been big on clamshells. Mostly, it seems that's what is preferred by the carriers so that's what gets made. Western-style smartphones are just catching on, as they're finally reaching the diversity that Japanese phones (which have always way too smart and exceedingly locked down and crippled) have had for some time now.

[danramos]

I like clamshells. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y)

[jalyst]

Looking pretty strongly like Else-derived UI, but backed by a big co. IMO.

[Daneel]

It has to be different since their original phone UI was designed around one hand thumb usage and i don't see how they could make it work for a tablet.

[momcilo]

Please join us on Monday, August 15 at 9 a.m. (PT) as the man behind TabCo shows you the tablet you’ve been waiting for.

We promise, nothing will be left untold.
...
This event will be hosted on our UStream Channel.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/tabco

Are you Tabco?

[momcilo]

It has to be different since their original phone UI was designed around one hand thumb usage and i don't see how they could make it work for a tablet.

You can have two wheels. One for each thumb.

[ysss]

I hope they have more to it than just the circular menus. Innovative apps switchings, window/widgets and whatnot.

Otherwise they'll just be known as concentric hell.

[danramos]

Are you Tabco?

I thought it was agreed that I was Tabco? ;) Wow... what a fickle company, then! CEO's are getting swapped out about as quick as Nokia! ...waaaaaaaitaminit... ;)

[danramos]

I just had the funniest idea: What if I called a press event and said that I really am Tabco, pointed out that we're still not ready but you'll be excited... SOON! And left it at that. Would the real Tabco then stand up and admit to who they are? ;)

[wmarone]

I thought it was agreed that I was Tabco? ;) Wow... what a fickle company, then! CEO's are getting swapped out about as quick as Nokia! ...waaaaaaaitaminit... ;)

The proper answer to "Are you TabCo" is "Yes son, now we are a family again." Though I am not aware if there is a "Tab Sphere."

[gerbick]

I just had the funniest idea: What if I called a press event and said that I really am Tabco, pointed out that we're still not ready but you'll be excited... SOON! And left it at that. Would the real Tabco then stand up and admit to who they are? ;)

I triple dog dare you.

[danramos]

I triple dog dare you.

What are they going to do? Sue? Who would sue me? AHHA! GOTCHA! ;)

The proper answer to "Are you TabCo" is "Yes son, now we are a family again." Though I am not aware if there is a "Tab Sphere."

OMG I love the spheres... I love anything Portal 2!!

[momcilo]

I thought it was agreed that I was Tabco? ;) Wow... what a fickle company, then! CEO's are getting swapped out about as quick as Nokia! ...waaaaaaaitaminit... ;)

You and gerbick might have agreed, but not me. :D

But if you provide open source drivers I don't mind calling you a CEO.

[danramos]

You and gerbick might have agreed, but not me. :D

But if you provide open source drivers I don't mind calling you a CEO.

I'll meet you halfway and do a Nokia for you and I'll just promise them... someday. :)

[lma]

I'll meet you halfway and do a Nokia for you and I'll just promise them... someday. :)

No, no, no, you're doing it wrong!

First you have to be completely silent on the subject. Eventually, when people begin to notice and start asking for code, spend years discussing the process for opening instead of the opening requests themselves. Then make people jump through hoops and repeat the same requests in different ways, assign a community member to process the new requests, but ignore his recommendations. Then, when you haven't really satisfied any of the requests but most of them can be ticked off because they have become irrelevant through obsolescence, pretend everything's fine except perhaps a couple of cases that won't be satisfied for "business reasons". Then pronounce the platform dead, give it a new name and a paint job and tell people to start all over again there. Then hold a meeting with the community council and tell them you can still open some stuff up, if only the requests could be a bit more compelling. Finally, pull out of the new platform before you even release a product.

[danramos]

No, no, no, you're doing it wrong!

First you have to be completely silent on the subject. Eventually, when people begin to notice and start asking for code, spend years discussing the process for opening instead of the opening requests themselves. Then make people jump through hoops and repeat the same requests in different ways, assign a community member to process the new requests, but ignore his recommendations. Then, when you haven't really satisfied any of the requests but most of them can be ticked off because they have become irrelevant through obsolescence, pretend everything's fine except perhaps a couple of cases that won't be satisfied for "business reasons". Then pronounce the platform dead, give it a new name and a paint job and tell people to start all over again there. Then hold a meeting with the community council and tell them you can still open some stuff up, if only the requests could be a bit more compelling. Finally, pull out of the new platform before you even release a product.

GENIUS!

Here's a story in pictures:
http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/4d55266accd1d5c33a150000/elop-ballmer-nokia.png
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-js5lDD3grQE/TVURof0knTI/AAAAAAAAAiA/1gbIi4IIfiY/s1600/knocking%2Bnokia3.png

[jalyst]

<SNIP>First you have to be completely silent on the subject. Eventually, when people begin to notice and start asking for code, spend years discussing the process for opening instead of the opening requests themselves. Then make people jump through hoops and repeat the same requests in different ways, assign a community member to process the new requests, but ignore his recommendations. Then, when you haven't really satisfied any of the requests but most of them can be ticked off because they have become irrelevant through obsolescence, pretend everything's fine except perhaps a couple of cases that won't be satisfied for "business reasons"<SNIP>

Gold! This bit, sounds a lot like stock Android too.
Cept they've never promised the same level of openness from the outset.
So it doesn't look as bad... :D

Still, on-balance, MeeGo is apparently doing better than Android.
http://www.visionmobile.com/research.php#OGI
But clearly not up to the standard we were all originally led to believe.

This may be an opportunity to get some folk to chime-in to a thread I started a while ago.
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4087

[momcilo]

Screenshots of UI from last tabco video:
http://is.gd/qJOOJD
http://is.gd/iwfeua
http://is.gd/L5XVPQ

Waiting for danramos to release some more material before Monday! :D

[mikecomputing]

Screenshots of UI from last tabco video:
http://is.gd/qJOOJD
http://is.gd/iwfeua
http://is.gd/L5XVPQ

Waiting for danramos to release some more material before Monday! :D

Overhyped crap it seems not even sure its linux/meego. But we dont need yet another development framework so I hope its Qt based...

[Daneel]

If its the else, its not qt.

[jalyst]

Yaaaaaaawwwwnnn.......
These guys are so going to be laughed at if they don't deliver.
Switching to weekly subscription for this thread.
We'll finally know how **** it is by then. :)

[momcilo]

If its the else, its not qt.

Does it use gtk+/GNOME as a framework?

[mikecomputing]

Does it use gtk+/GNOME as a framework?

Well then I hope its HTML5.

If Gtk+ I say write apps in C is way off 2011.

C is nice language for lowlevel stuff but def. not for appwriting.

[Daneel]

Developer FAQs
What are the application development environments that will be supported on LiMo 4?

LiMo 4 will initially support Flash, AIR and WAC runtimes. In addition, LiMo OEM Members may potentially support native development.
When will SDKs and a LiMo developer program be available?

Instead of launching its own ecosystem, LiMo is supporting existing ecosystems such as WAC and Flash. Therefore, 3rd party developers are encouraged to use Adobe tools and WAC SDKs to develop applications for the LiMo Platform.

How will LiMo ensure compatibility (interoperability of 2nd and 3rd party apps) across LiMo devices from multiple vendors?

LiMo will make a Conformance Test Suite (CTS) available to OEMs planning to ship LiMo devices so that they can certify their devices as being LiMo compliant, thereby achieving application and middleware portabilty /interoperability.

[momcilo]

Well then I hope its HTML5.

If Gtk+ I say write apps in C is way off 2011.

C is nice language for lowlevel stuff but def. not for appwriting.

I've never mentioned C. GTK+ has bindings for many languages.

But why do you think it is not well suited for writing applications?

[velox]

While reading up on the whole Tabco subject, I've noticed a facebook comment (https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=243045545725697&id=218143931549192) mentioning german Ayinger Beer. According to their website (http://en.ayinger-bier.de/?pid=292), it's not widely distributed worldwide – but there is a company importing it located 10 minutes from Nokia Headquarters (http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Keilalahdentie+4,+02150+Espoo,+Finland+ (Nokia+head+office)&daddr=Orionintie+H-20+02200+Espoo&hl=en&ll=60.175373,24.793739&spn=0.033254,0.077162&sll=60.175203,24.799919&sspn=0.033254,0.077162&geocode=FX8flgMdVNt6ASGC2jk2EDzcmA%3BFchHlgMdJPp5A Slb65_ZrfWNRjEIk12bv0EyEA&mra=ltm&t=h&z=14) in Espoo.

If that's actually relevant at all, it might be interpreted as a pointer to at least former Nokians. :)

[danramos]

The name TabCo keeps being misread--in my mind--as TOBACCO. :P I can't WAIT to see the first sets of OS patches. TABCO PATCHES!

[Kangal]

I just keep thinking "Tabasco" my favourite sauce.

I could picture a small group of ~80 people that were fired from Nokia after the Elopocalypse, that banded together to create the "TabCo" group.

They already knew Nokia's roadmap, so the best possible thing for them would be to:
Design a tablet with a NOKIA-esque to it.
Implement the latest MeeGo builds, particularily Alien Dalvik (a la RIM PlayBook).
Generate a viral marketing (since they can't market it themselves).
Scrap enough funding to sell it, similar to the success (failure?) of OpenPandora.

[Chuck Norris]

I just keep thinking "Tabasco" my favourite sauce.

I could picture a small group of ~80 people that were fired from Nokia after the Elopocalypse, that banded together to create the "TabCo" group.

They already knew Nokia's roadmap, so the best possible thing for them would be to:
Design a tablet with a NOKIA-esque to it.
Implement the latest MeeGo builds, particularily Alien Dalvik (a la RIM PlayBook).
Generate a viral marketing (since they can't market it themselves).
Scrap enough funding to sell it, similar to the success (failure?) of OpenPandora.


I would love if that was true. Unfortunately it's not.

Source: Chuck Norris

[Verythrax]

I'm quite sure it's coming from the Joojoo guys. The mockup they show in the videos is identical to the Grid tablet that appeared at FCC, they are americans and their CEO is really from Singapore.

PS: that and the else OS ;)

[Texrat]

Am I the only one to check TabCo's domain registration?

Interestingly enough, it's changed recently.

First time I checked it was:

Registrant:
c/o WHOISTABCO.COM
P.O. Box 821650
Vancouver, WA 98682
US

Registrar: DOTSTER
Domain Name: WHOISTABCO.COM
Created on: 23-MAY-11
Expires on: 23-MAY-12
Last Updated on: 07-JUN-11

Administrative Contact:
NevWga@PRIVACYPOST.COM
c/o WHOISTABCO.COM
P.O. Box 821650
Vancouver, WA 98682
US
+1.360-449-5933

Technical Contact:
UuFqHd@PRIVACYPOST.COM
c/o WHOISTABCO.COM
P.O. Box 821650
Vancouver, WA 98682
US
+1.360-449-5933

Now it's

Domain Name: WHOISTABCO.COM
Registrar: DOTSTER, INC.
Whois Server: whois.dotster.com
Referral URL: http://www.dotster.com
Name Server: NS1.NAMERESOLVE.COM
Name Server: NS2.NAMERESOLVE.COM
Name Server: NS3.NAMERESOLVE.COM
Name Server: NS4.NAMERESOLVE.COM
Status: ok
Updated Date: 07-jun-2011
Creation Date: 23-may-2011
Expiration Date: 23-may-2012

...so they stripped out the location info... hmmm... EDIT: or for unknown reasons I'm just getting different results (see post below)

http://www.whois.net/whois/whoistabco.com

[debernardis]

I still see location info in my whois:
Registrant:
c/o WHOISTABCO.COM
P.O. Box 821650
Vancouver, WA 98682
US

[mikecomputing]

I've never mentioned C. GTK+ has bindings for many languages.

But why do you think it is not well suited for writing applications?

Because developers are lazy. Including myself :)

I did some apps using Gtk+ some years ago and nothing wrong with this toolkit.

But now I prefer Qt(Quick) it has more potential even for commercial apps etc...

And even if we prefer opensource we have to realise some apps will never be open and commercial devs prefer Qt over Gtk+ mostly because Qt is more "complete framework". That was probadly one reason Nokia dished Gtk/manyclibs in favour of Qt...

Just take a look at N900 and Maemo5 its WAY easier write apps using Qt(Mobility) instead of talk to lowlevel libs in C on Maemo5.

And yes I know there are SEVERAL bindings for Gtk+/Glib but in a way this gives more headache cause then those bindings has to be "extra" loaded in memory. Atleast in case of C -> C++ bindings its a drawback. In case of Python I guess its the same(drawback)...

[Texrat]

I still see location info in my whois:
Registrant:
c/o WHOISTABCO.COM
P.O. Box 821650
Vancouver, WA 98682
US

Interesting. Wonder why I'm getting different results now...

[mikecomputing]

If its not Meego device I will go for HP touchpad next week :P

WebOS is also cool IMHO :)

[momcilo]

Interesting. Wonder why I'm getting different results now...

Because you are reading REGISTRAR info, bellow there should be actual data on REGISTRANT.

Are you saying you get only registrar info?

EDIT: I've just spotted link you were using to determine it. I've used command line whois command, which provides non-stripped information.

[mece]

google that po box. You'll get some rather interesting results...
For example: http://scam.m2osw.com/vital-records.html

[Texrat]

Because you are reading REGISTRAR info, bellow there should be actual data on REGISTRANT.

Are you saying you get only registrar info?

EDIT: I've just spotted link you were using to determine it. I've used command line whois command, which provides non-stripped information.

I used the same exact approach both times and got different results (registrar only today). Not sure why.

google that po box. You'll get some rather interesting results...
For example: http://scam.m2osw.com/vital-records.html (http://scam.m2osw.com/vital-records.html)

It's got to be the registrar...

[momcilo]

I used the same exact approach both times and got different results (registrar only today). Not sure why.

Which whois server did you use?
Mine is: whois.dotster.com

[Verythrax]

The registrar must own several PO boxes at that address. That makes sense, it's just the registrar, not the registrant.

[Texrat]

Which whois server did you use?
Mine is: whois.dotster.com

I just used whois.net, both times.

[momcilo]

As someone suggested earlier:

This listing is a Whois Privacy Customer. Mail correspondence to this
address must be sent via USPS Express Mail(TM) or USPS Certified
Mail(R); all other mail will not be processed. Be sure to include
the domain name in the address.

[tzsm98]

Am I the only one to check TabCo's domain registration?

Interestingly enough, it's changed recently.

First time I checked it was:



Now it's



...so they stripped out the location info... hmmm... EDIT: or for unknown reasons I'm just getting different results (see post below)

http://www.whois.net/whois/whoistabco.com

See http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1049131&highlight=whois#post1049131

for previous incarnation of whois info ~11 July

[danramos]

see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1049131&highlight=whois#post1049131

for previous incarnation of whois info ~11 july

OMIGOD stop yelling!! :D

[ysss]

If its not Meego device I will go for HP touchpad next week :P

Awesome!
Let me know the date so I can start preparing for your farewell party!

[danramos]

Well, that's kinda lame--all the hilarious posts/replies about monster-p**** were deleted. Did somebody complain or something? Even the original note pointing out that whoistabco.com shared a PO BOX with that domain name. Seriously? Also makes me wonder what other communication has been quietly deleted forum-wide without notice.

[vi_]

Well, that's kinda lame--all the hilarious posts/replies about monster-p**** were deleted. Did somebody complain or something? Even the original note pointing out that whoistabco.com shared a PO BOX with that domain name. Seriously? Also makes me wonder what other communication has been quietly deleted forum-wide without notice.

I would have been reported by abill, just mention pen0r and he goes into a frenzy.

[danramos]

I would have been reported by abill, just mention pen0r and he goes into a frenzy.

What bothers me is not even getting so much as a note about it... which makes me wonder what else gets quietly deleted. This doesn't bode well. Just saying.

[luca]

What bothers me is not even getting so much as a note about it... which makes me wonder what else gets quietly deleted. This doesn't bode well. Just saying.

It already happened to me once. I don't remember the thread or the message, but I do remember that it was not warranted (not that I think that it was warranted in this thread).
Like every other forum, this one is run arbitrarily (as is the right of the forum owner, btw, so I'm not complaining, when you enter a forum, any forum, you should know that).
If you want real and useful discussion to take place you should use mailing lists instead . No forum administrator can delete messages from your mail account, and it's much more difficult for the same administrator to delete the same messages from third party archives.

I would have said usenet, but sadly that's practically dead nowadays.

[Chuck Norris]

It's me. I delete some random posts from time to time. So please behave!

[ysss]

Maybe we've gotten too close to whom TabCo actually is...

Could it be that.... we are TabCo?!?!?!

[tissot]

Some pictures from http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/08/14/reminder-tabco-to-be-revealed-monday-9-a-m-pt-win-tabcos-tablet/
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb95/tissotti/tabcocir.jpg

Dunno if they are real, not that they offer anything exactly new.

[Chuck Norris]

Do we think that nokia is behind tabco?

[tissot]

Do we think that nokia is behind tabco?

I don't, but it just as well could be. :)
Nobody has even slightest prove towards tabco being one certain company.

I just hope we are not part of a some social media study manufactured by some students. :D Nokiagadgets.com

[zymo]

i just played a bit with the pics posted by tissot. It looks like the Tabco tablet has a quite narrow shape.

[Daneel]

It looks like my Panasonic G20 plasma.

[Chuck Norris]

It looks like my Panasonic G20 plasma.

No its not. Or you mean four corners?

[luca]

No its not. Or you mean four corners?

Probably he means the floating black ;)

[ysss]

Probably the thinnish frame and 16:9 aspect ratio.

[Chuck Norris]

This might be Tabco :)

http://cordiatab.com/

[unfuccwittable]

This might be Tabco :)

http://cordiatab.com/
please, stop.

[momcilo]

This may have been posted already:
http://reviewstablet.com/2011/03/17/nokia-meego-tablet/

Observe the design similarities with n9.

http://reviewstablet.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Nokia-MeeGo-Tablet.jpg

[danramos]

Maybe we've gotten too close to whom TabCo actually is...

Could it be that.... we are TabCo?!?!?!

Well... either that, or all the joking about monster-penis.com sharing the domain and all the jokes about the form factor and docking ports were WAY too close to the truth for them to leave the posts in place! :)

This may have been posted already:
http://reviewstablet.com/2011/03/17/nokia-meego-tablet/

Observe the design similarities with n9.

http://reviewstablet.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Nokia-MeeGo-Tablet.jpg

I can clearly see the similarities! It has a flat screen, a bezel and ports! ...although it looks a LOT like an iPad too! ...or a Galaxy Tab. Who KNOWS who'll sue these guys!

[Kangal]

It's me. I delete some random posts from time to time. So please behave!

I'll forgive you only if you admit you laughed heartedly to my posts!

[danramos]

I'll forgive you only if you admit you laughed heartedly to my posts!

http://pleco.org/heh/chuck-norris-approves.gif

[bergie]

If its not Meego device I will go for HP touchpad next week :P

WebOS is also cool IMHO :)

I have the TouchPad. webOS is indeed very cool, but the hardware is not very convincing... slow, heavy and slightly worse battery life than with an iPad. So they're basically shipping last year's tablet hardware this year.

If HP got their hardware right, it'd be great.

[danramos]

This may have been posted already:
http://reviewstablet.com/2011/03/17/nokia-meego-tablet/

Observe the design similarities with n9.

http://reviewstablet.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Nokia-MeeGo-Tablet.jpg

Observe its similarities to the Acer Iconia A100...

http://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Acer_IconiaTab_A100_hero2-580x396.jpg

http://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/acer-iconia-a100.jpg

Sources:
http://www.geek.com/articles/gadgets/acer-iconia-tab-a100-is-the-first-7-android-3-2-tablet-up-for-sale-20110812/
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/acer-iconia-acer-a100-a100-tablet-honeycomb-7-inch-tablet,news-12156.html
and many, many others... just Google it up.

[ysss]

Observe its similarities to the Acer Iconia A100...
...and many, many others... just Google it up.

Oh now you're just sounding like Apple. Will you also try to sue them off the market in Au and Eu?

[RobbieThe1st]

Oh now you're just sounding like Apple. Will you also try to sue them off the market in Au and Eu?
YES!
All competing tablets must DIE!

[qwazix]

have you noticed? whositabco.com is down

[mivoligo]

Some pictures from http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/08/14/reminder-tabco-to-be-revealed-monday-9-a-m-pt-win-tabcos-tablet/
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb95/tissotti/tabcocir.jpg

Dunno if they are real, not that they offer anything exactly new.

IMO font on the screen is Nokia Pure.

[qwazix]

It looks like it indeed, but segoe ui is similar too...

[ysss]

omg it's so exciting.

we'll be the first few pair of eyes to find out what exactly they want to sell to us, after their managements, engineers, marketing guys, admins, advertising agency, etc.

[mikecomputing]

get over it tabco is just another closed source OS. better go for hp touchpad atleast halfopen and supports QT ;)

[Daneel]

When was the announcement supposed to happen? Wasn't it today?

[momcilo]

I can clearly see the similarities! It has a flat screen, a bezel and ports! ...although it looks a LOT like an iPad too! ...or a Galaxy Tab. Who KNOWS who'll sue these guys!

Whatever is on that drawing(it may be a purely concept drawing), sides are very unlike iPad, or Galaxy Tab, they are rounded - it looks as enlarged N9.

BTW: I respect your wits, but please look carefully, before posting alternative acer images.

[momcilo]

get over it tabco is just another closed source OS. better go for hp touchpad atleast halfopen and supports QT ;)

I've asked them that specific question (http://gdgt.com/discuss/we-re-answering-your-questions-about-tabco-and-our-upcoming-product-launch-fhk/#post-id-123040).

... and got undefined answer:


All good questions! We'll have more information for developers following the product announcement.


What is the source for your claim?

[zehjotkah]

Don't be disappointed if it's not Nokia.

Fusion Garage Grid 10

[momcilo]

Don't be disappointed if it's not Nokia.

Fusion Garage Grid 10

IF they provide open hardware (and OS, and reasonably good build quality), I will be delighted it's not Nokia.

[Guffaw]

I still see location info in my whois:
Registrant:
c/o WHOISTABCO.COM
P.O. Box 821650
Vancouver, WA 98682
US

Registrant:
c/o AERIALS-CREW.COM
P.O. Box 821650
Vancouver, WA 98682
US

Using the same as in N9Seconds contest.
They are using http://privacypost.com/ to hide it.

[zehjotkah]

I guess it's either based on MeeGo or on a own Linux-based OS or Android with a custom UI.
Probably we'll not see the sources from the beginning if it is the own OS.

Hardware-wise "TabCo" said that the quality is on par with Nokia or Apple hardware. Lets see...

[zehjotkah]

Registrant:
c/o AERIALS-CREW.COM
P.O. Box 821650
Vancouver, WA 98682
US

Using the same as in N9Seconds contest.
They are using http://privacypost.com/ to hide it.

It's a anonymizer service open for everyone. Search for the address, you'll find a bunch of other sites using it, even SCAM sites...

[Guffaw]

It's a anonymizer service open for everyone. Search for the address, you'll find a bunch of other sites using it, even SCAM sites...

Yeah, I know. But using the same service. They could have chosen many other sites.

[zehjotkah]

Yeah, I know. But using the same service. They could have chosen many other sites.

Probably they didn't even knew the other registered there, too.

[momcilo]

Probably they didn't even knew the other registered there, too.

Think about it in reverse, TabCo could have known Nokia has used that service already, and used it on purpose.

[Daneel]

Its a good guess as any they might be ex-Nokia employees with some outside help but we will know soon enough since the announcement seems to be today.
Does anyone know if tabco has specified an exact time for this spectacle?

[zehjotkah]

Fusion Garage are not Nokia ex-employees.

[Daneel]

Fusion Garage are not Nokia ex-employees.

I realize that.
Do you have some inside info or the announcement has happened already?

[momcilo]

Its a good guess as any they might be ex-Nokia employees with some outside help but we will know soon enough since the announcement seems to be today.
Does anyone know if tabco has specified an exact time for this spectacle?

9AM (PDT)

Convert it to your own zone.
Btw: if you use twitter, re-twit their announcement and you will be in free-device competition. You still have time.

[momcilo]

Fusion Garage are not Nokia ex-employees.

Can you disclose anything about the drawing I've posted 2-3 pages ago?

[debernardis]

In the mentime, Google bought Motorola.

Offtopic with TabCo, I know, but still...

[Scharel]

WeAreTabCo Twitter account is following MeeGoPortal: http://twitter.com/#!/WeAreTabCo/following

[zymo]

It’s official! Tabco is Fuison Garage, it’s the joojoo 2 alias Grid 10

Tabco via twitter (german): https://twitter.com/#!/wearetabco/status/103106197711880193

[zehjotkah]

https://twitter.com/#!/WeAreTabCo/status/103106197711880193

https://twitter.com/#!/zehjotkah/status/103108300379398144

:D

[Daneel]

Sorry, that page doesn't exist - talk about premature ejaculation.

[Verythrax]

https://twitter.com/#!/WeAreTabCo/status/103106197711880193

https://twitter.com/#!/zehjotkah/status/103108300379398144

:D

We are both right, too bad they deleted the tweet. But there's no way it isn't Fusion Garage ;)

[ddwwf1]

Introducing Google / Motorola Mobility! Pursuing our launch and get to know our product: http://t.co/8Z6vAxa

same post this time with google/motorola instead of grid 10

[oweng]

Was in German - translated it said 'introducing the Grid 10'

Was it genuine?

https://twitter.com/#!/WeAreTabCo/status/103106197711880193

https://twitter.com/#!/zehjotkah/status/103108300379398144

:D

[Verythrax]

I just retweeted about the Grid 10 mentioning at their hastag. I thought they posted the one after about Google/Mobility to descredit that - and deleted afterwards.

[gerbick]

Wow. I called the Grid 10 way before you plebeians had attempted it. Welcome to last month - July 28th/July 30th to be exact.

Anyway, back to laughing.

[Daneel]

Telling people on the internet they are wrong - better then sex.

[Verythrax]

Wow. I called the Grid 10 way before you plebeians had attempted it. Welcome to last month - July 28th/July 30th to be exact.

Anyway, back to laughing.

I was on that since it was shown at FCC ;)

[gerbick]

Telling people on the internet they are wrong - better then sex.

It is my sex. Yee-haw!

[vi_]

Wow. I called the Grid 10 way before you plebeians had attempted it. Welcome to last month - July 28th/July 30th to be exact.

Anyway, back to laughing.

Android...JOOJOO...BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAA AA.

[Daneel]

Hipster!!!

[gerbick]

Android...JOOJOO...BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAA AA.

Wait. I think I was being made fun of... but still laughed.

...

[vi_]

Wait. I think I was being made fun of... but still laughed.

...

Nah, imma laughing because you said months ago 'its gunna be joojoo' An we were all like 'harhar, joojoo - what a pile of sh|t that was, no one would try to re-joojoo the joojoo'.

And now we see its the fvcking joojoo.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA.

JOOJOO!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!


Its like that time you predicted there would be no flash 10 and 'vrybodys like 'you illin gerbick, nokia showed us it allready'.

[Jedibeeftrix]

so if this is the joo-joo2, does that make it just another android tablet?

[Daneel]

IIRC, joo-joo1 was not android.

[Daneel]

http://www.thomson-webcast.net/us/dispatching/?event_id=dd00e4cb1e99a982f0674b1daad61daa&portal_id=6771bcab5152596f20edd51edc21369d

Judging by the lame elevator music, its going to be an awful device.

[ysss]

So what do we love/hate about the JooJoo?

Love:
- Not Apple
- Was Ubuntu based

Hate:
- TechCrunch/Arrington scandal?
- Insensible hardware design? (<3 hrs use with its atom CPU)
- ......?

[Jedibeeftrix]

IIRC, joo-joo1 was not android.

still hope for meego then?

[tissot]

http://www.thomson-webcast.net/us/dispatching/?event_id=dd00e4cb1e99a982f0674b1daad61daa&portal_id=6771bcab5152596f20edd51edc21369d

Judging by the lame elevator music, its going to be an awful device.

How about now! It turned all serious. :D
very disappointing if it indeed is Fusion Garage, like it seems to be.

[Daneel]

How about now! It turned all serious. :D
very disappointing if it indeed is Fusion Garage, like it seems to be.

Keeping fingers crossed :)

[gerbick]

So what do we love/hate about the JooJoo?

Love:
- Not Apple
- Was Ubuntu based

Hate:
- TechCrunch/Arrington scandal?
- Insensible hardware design? (<3 hrs use with its atom CPU)
- ......?

Bingo. It's not like they can't learn from prior mistakes. I actually felt like the JooJoo had a decent UI, a good premise; however it did not sell well (they do fetch a hefty price on eBay now) and it forgot that people actually may want apps. HTML5 wasn't where it is now...

Let's see if they can get past that in this iteration.

[ysss]

At least they've fixed the name :]

[giorgosmit]

So what do we love/hate about the JooJoo?

Love:
- Not Apple
- Was Ubuntu based

Hate:
- TechCrunch/Arrington scandal?
- Insensible hardware design? (<3 hrs use with its atom CPU)
- ......?

Basically, what killed the thing was that it was like a Chromium OS tablet: a browser and nothing more. No applications, no tweaking, no linuxy shenanigans- even though it was based on linux. If the Grid has a full linux distro shoved in, then it's perfect for me. I've pined for a tablet with a full OS but the scelte factor of Android tablets for some time.

[ysss]

f*ck. it is joojoo.

bring ian quincy back.

[Daneel]

Bahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaa, joojooooooooo failllllll

[gerbick]

Hahahahahahahahahaha!

called it!

[oweng]

Fusion Garage - worst ever webcast!

[luketanti]

Not Nokia but Fusion Garage

[tissot]

Booooo

.........

[oweng]

They are replacing all joojoos with their new device, not bad, but will anyone want it?

[ysss]

"grid is a new operating system built from android kernel"

wtf

[luketanti]

Grid what?!?!

[oweng]

so basically android....blah blah blah

"grid is a new operating system built from android kernel"

wtf

[Daneel]

Dear god, built from Android kernel, i wonder what Linux has to say about that.

[luketanti]

Nvidia Tegra NB

[mikecomputing]

* Based on Android
* We think Bing is good search
̈́
Epic FAIL

I guess they want Microsoft too buy them. ROTFL

[benny1967]

Dear god, built from Android kernel, i wonder what Linux has to say about that.

It's technically correct to call it "the Android kernel" - the Android kernel is no longer a true Linux kernel. They forked it from Linux some time ago.

[casper27]

Supports Android Apps and Amazon App store...

[Daneel]

The home screen seems nice.

[Daneel]

It's technically correct to call it "the Android kernel" - the Android kernel is no longer a true Linux kernel. They forked it from Linux some time ago.

Or maybe he means kernel + the VM, Dalvik since it supports android apps.

[mikecomputing]

After five minutes showing the demonstrating the demo its BOOOORING

HP webtouch WAY better...

[ysss]

After five minutes showing the demonstrating the demo its BOOOORING

HP webtouch WAY better...

You've gotta earn a trophy of some sort for dissing some yet-unnamed tablet and recommending a WebOS device on a maemo board ;)

[gerbick]

After five minutes showing the demonstrating the demo its BOOOORING

HP webtouch WAY better...

HP WebOS TouchPad has a serious lack of apps. Great multi-tasking though.

[luketanti]

LOL google instead of bing

[Daneel]

He is talking about it like it cures cancer or some crap when it actually IS just another tablet and just another OS.

O, a phone!

[flailingmonkey]

OH SHIIIT, he just pulled out a smart phone

ahahaha, totally unexpected :P but that's the way to do it

[gerbick]

Tile based phone UI. Yep... Microsoft is sooooo gonna sue.

[ysss]

"includes great earphones, which other tablets don't quite give you"

"I think it's a good price for compelling product"

"You can order it from..."

From his tone (and some of the content) I can sense that he's REALLY nervous about whether this thing sells at that price point.

[benny1967]

Did he just show how they invented the 'pause' button in the media player? Or did he only want to say how cool their implementation it is? :eek:

[tissot]

It's not bad, but really something different that makes any difference in the market? Don't think so.

[Daneel]

The wheels are copy paste from Else UI.

[Jedibeeftrix]

Great if you like android, and want a more exciting version thereof, but what is going to demonstrate that a Grid10+Grid4 combo makes a more compelling argument than a Touchpad+Pre3?

[flailingmonkey]

by the way, this is quite frankly an amazing live demo. He might not be the most exciting presenter, and his voice might not be the most compelling, but live demo's are ****ing hard. He's covered tons of functionality, and it has all worked out smoothly too. I must say, bravo.

[casper27]

Wow browser split screen with in searching looks really cool. :)

[H3llb0und]

To Fusion Garage:
Starting with lies is not going to make me buy their products.
You are not Apple, and I'm not stupid.
- The Joojoo was not the first tablet.
- You start by calling Android a copycat from iOS and then you use the Android kernel and their apps?
- Bing?
TRIPLE FAIL! You're out!

And it feels really slow!!!
Did you notice how long it took to load Google.com?

My Transformer easily wipes the floor with that thing... and it's cheaper!!!

The only thing I like about it is the resolution, but it ends there.

[Daneel]

The price for the phone is not bad, i might go for it depending on how open it is.

[JorgeFX]

Remains me some lego stuff :)

[gerbick]

$399 Unlocked for the Grid 4 16GB phone?

That's not bad at all. In fact, that puts a dent in other, upcoming phones by other companies, unlocked.

I think in due time, the Android app inclusion/kernel is going to help. Distribution via Amazon, but I fear it is $100 too much for the Grid 10.

[Daneel]

inovation, inovation...blaaaaaa, blaaaaaaaaa, blaaaaaaaaaa

[casper27]

To answer the OP in this thread.

NO we do not have a Nokia Internet Tablet in waiting :)

[Daneel]

$399 Unlocked for the Grid 4 16GB phone?

That's not bad at all. In fact, that puts a dent in other, upcoming phones by other companies, unlocked.

I think in due time, the Android app inclusion/kernel is going to help. Distribution via Amazon, but I fear it is $100 too much for the Grid 10.

I agree, the tablet is very overpriced.

[ysss]

Their last slide was "Call to Action"... really?
Did someone forgot to change it from the template?

[tissot]

I'm not really that in to that grid view. I can't at least really see the what would i gain from it.
Tegra 2 is also very disappointing if Android 3.X tablets hardware need to change something it's tegra 2 and it's horrible video playback.
What did i do like was the multitasking. Though not having Android market is quite of a big thing and in total it did not impress me so that i would buy it over 3.X tablets.

A bit of a meh from me.

[Jedibeeftrix]

Great if you like android, and want a more exciting version thereof, but what is going to demonstrate that a Grid10+Grid4 combo makes a more compelling argument than a Touchpad+Pre3?

i like the res/aspect, but not the size; it was supposed to be pocketable. 7" please.

tegra2 is disappointing, too gutless for that screen-res.

get the impression they made the phone to complement the tablet.

[momcilo]

Tile based phone UI. Yep... Microsoft is sooooo gonna sue.

There is a prior work, remember certain WM?
Besides, it is not even close.

[Chuck Norris]

Who is Tabco?

[casper27]

I don't know what to think really. It wasn't bad but it just did not grip me. I think they really set them selves up for a fall with their ad campaign, was always going to happen I suppose.
The phone on the otherhand looked promising and a good price, I suppose like a few others I suspect that may buy the tablet to accompany the phone rather than the other way around.
Mmmm slightly disapointed...

[gerbick]

There is a prior work, remember certain WM?
Besides, it is not even close.

Given how litigation happy folks are now, I would not be surprised. Not saying it is right, just not surprised.

[momcilo]

The biggest mistake here, he did not talk about stainless steel design.

It is obvious his background is software, and therefore he completely neglected to present us with the actual device.

[gerbick]

Who is Tabco?

Whomever you said it wasn't...

[Chuck Norris]

And WHO is that?

[momcilo]

Given how litigation happy folks are now, I would not be surprised. Not saying it is right, just not surprised.

Yes that is true, even the un-based litigation can destroy a company.

Still, interesting basic idea, looks rough, and it remains to be seen how they will support it in future.

I've already spotted some of the bugs, like when he could not select wallpaper he initially wanted.

After everything, I am kind of disappointed it's not Linux based.

[jayhule]

Really disappointing, I hope there is another better video/demo to really make my final judgement, but really disappointing UI doesn't seem innovative to me at all.

[gerbick]

And WHO is that?

I didn't keep up with your randomness. Simply stated, since you're being quite the clueless one; Tabco is a fake company, used in a campaign for Fusion Garage... the makers of the JooJoo.

So Tabco was an ad campaign. Fusion Garage are the manufacturers. Grid 10 is the tablet. Grid 4 is the cellphone.

[oweng]

Can we close this thread now? Please...

[casper27]

For those that are interested here are the specs as I don't think he actually covered most. Looks ok

Dimensions
• 122.4 x 63.9 x 9.6mm

Weight
• 690g


Processor and Chipset
• Nvidia Tegra II 1.2Ghz Dual Core

RAM
• 512MB

Display Size
• 10.1”

Display Type
• TFT LCD
• 4 points Capacitive Touch Panel

Resolution
• 1366 x 768 pixels

Camera
• Front facing 1.3 Megapixels

Audio
• Built-in microphone
• 2 Loudspeakers (0.5W)
• 3.5mm Stereo jack (combined
• microphone and audio)

Software
• Grid OS with Android applications

Storage
• 16GB

Radio
• Quad Band 3G (HSDPA)
• Quad Band GSM

Connectivity
• Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n
• Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR

Input/Output Connectors
• Micro SIM card slot
• Docking port (Charging, HDMI, USB)

Expansion
• MicroSD

Battery
• 5,800mAh

Sensors
• GPS/AGPS
• 3 axis Gyroscope
• Accelerometer
• Ambient Light


Source
http://www.fusiongarage.com/grid-10/tech-specs

[gerbick]

Less RAM than a Motorola Xoom, same chipset as a Xoom, faster than a stock Xoom (I've overclocked mine to 1.6ghz), more resolution than a Xoom on the main screen... but I just ain't sold.

This is lesser spec'd at the same price as the Wifi-only Xoom. And it's guaranteed to get further updates.

[arora.rohan]

no back camera?wtf fail?

[gerbick]

Can we close this thread now? Please...

Why? I mean, I'm seriously curious.

This could be moved to competitors, renamed. But to limit conversation on upcoming, soon-to-be released stuff shouldn't be discouraged around here. Not in my humble opinion that is...

[Verythrax]

Cool things:
UI
Android KERNEL (just kernel)
overall product/acessories design
phone

Bad things:
proprietary connector
Bing
proprietary connector
price
proprietary connector
Android KERNEL (if that means some of actual Android liabilities)
proprietary connector
no back camera
proprietary connector

Wonder since it's just using the kernel, if it will have that fake multitasking, or real multitasking this time.

[s4br0s0]

Very interesting OS, too expensive the tablet, good price the phone.

Like to know how much the batery life.

With no back camera, how you take pictures?

Grettings.

[mikecomputing]

HP touchpad pissing on tabco and also supåport QT and crappy flash too :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjFHrXacRCQ

[arora.rohan]

Very interesting OS, too expensive the tablet, good price the phone.

Like to know how much the batery life.

With no back camera, how you take pictures?

Grettings.

thats the innovative part..they have grown out of pictures..you only crop them.. Who comes up with such stuff...man..!

[reinob]

$399 Unlocked for the Grid 4 16GB phone?

That's not bad at all. In fact, that puts a dent in other, upcoming phones by other companies, unlocked.


Hey, I paid less than EUR300 for a truly innovative tablet/phone/computer/you-name-it, with 32GB, unlocked and running a real Linux.

And it was made 2 fvcking years ago! :-)

[Zoxir]

Was it my idea or the UI seemed kind of slow???

[gerbick]

Hey, I paid less than EUR300 for a truly innovative tablet/phone/computer/you-name-it, with 32GB, unlocked and running a real Linux.

And it was made 2 fvcking years ago!

First things first... 300 Euro is about $433 USD. Patient folks got it for about $250 USD, or about 207 Euro.

That did happen 2 years ago, nothing released on the shelves since.

Doubtful that the Nokia N9 will sell at that price initially. Perhaps in two years.

[erendorn]

With no back camera, how you take pictures?


Oh, you don't need to. Tablets are for viewing media, not creating them.

:)

[arora.rohan]

best part was..when he said.. Android is not popular and Bing Search is the best .. haha made my day!

but what i fail to understand is.. Sign to Unlock..i mean like really???! how..and who came up with this idea!

[reinob]

@gerbick,

What I mean is that IMHO the N900 is still today as "modern" and innovative as it gets, and still costs way less than other supposedly-better phones..

[reinob]

Was it my idea or the UI seemed kind of slow???

I got the same impression..

What annoyed me most though was that a lot of the text was too big (hopefully customizable..), and it appeared to be "cut" at the top and the bottom (e.g. the clock), like the space for it was too small (or not dynamically resized, which is bad enough..)

[danramos]

Whatever is on that drawing(it may be a purely concept drawing), sides are very unlike iPad, or Galaxy Tab, they are rounded - it looks as enlarged N9.

BTW: I respect your wits, but please look carefully, before posting alternative acer images.

Firstly, it appears my humor was lost on you. :) But more importantly, can you explain why it doesn't look like an Acer Iconia A100, like I'd said? Tapered sides and all?

Oh now you're just sounding like Apple. Will you also try to sue them off the market in Au and Eu?

This is the way of the world, these days. :P You heard WHY Google bought Motorola's mobile division, right? Not necessarily to make their own portable devices--but for their patents, so they can build up a defense. I think it's pretty brilliant, really, but also really stupid that they should have to do that. Patent system is truly broken.

[danramos]

Oh, you don't need to. Tablets are for viewing media, not creating them.

:)

...and phones... are? :P

[gerbick]

@gerbick,

What I mean is that IMHO the N900 is still today as "modern" and innovative as it gets, and still costs way less than other supposedly-better phones..

I fear that according to Nokia's own choices in regards to system requirements, the N900 is a dead end and isn't terribly all that "modern". No multiple touch support, you tend to find resistive screens in ultra-cheap Android tablets from no-name manufacturers in China.

There is no Flash 10.x support, now being blamed to hardware (Adobe shares the blame here), the N900 lacks RAM to run MeeGo 1.3 (Nokia chose the hardware) - the N900 MeeGo 1.2 CE runs a little... well, unoptimized.

Yes. It has the ability to run full-blown Debian. I can run Ubuntu on my Xoom - full-blown Ubuntu. I have Flash 10.3 on my Xoom, Atrix. I have full (or close enough) HTML5 support where sites that use heavy AJAX don't choke my phone (Atrix and Dell Venue Pro w/ Mango) upon trying to view those sites.

The N900 is an awesome piece of kit. But it is showing its age. Small-ish screen, horrific battery life, non-gorilla glass screen, 600mhz (out of the box) processor, lacking RAM, dwindling support, dying community, limited 3G spectrum in my market (N9's Penta-band solves my problem), lack of apps despite being the "most open" - thank Mece for Tweed Suit, before it, Twitter was basically forgotten, Mauku was "closed source" and never released to the community.

So yeah. I agree... the N900 is/was pretty nice. But time has passed it by in price, expectation and development. And it has been undercut in price by other feature phones, some smart phones. And the Grid 4 actually is cheaper than it on release... patience will probably mean it'll be even cheaper later down the road.

[gerbick]

Oh, you don't need to. Tablets are for viewing media, not creating them.

I have a Xoom, with a back camera and a pretty full-fledged movie editing program - which isn't half bad.

Tablets should have the ability to create/edit media.

[uvatbc]

Can we change the thread title to something else now?
I'd go for "Tabco: meh"

[Helmuth]

Could someone write me please a PM as soon as MeeGo is running at their phone?

The Hardware is not that superior, too less RAM, only 16GB Memory and a missing Keyboard... but perhaps it's with MeeGo worth a second look.

[unfuccwittable]

I have a Xoom, with a back camera and a pretty full-fledged movie editing program - which isn't half bad.

Tablets should have the ability to create/edit media.
he was making a joke, yo.

[danramos]

he was making a joke, yo.

I didn't hear laugh-track, YO-YO.

[gerbick]

he was making a joke, yo.

No back camera is the same as the HP TouchPad... which just got a 99 cent camera app.

A joke? I'm just dealing with facts ma'am.