It will still flop

[Mike Cane]

http://www.everythingusb.com/creative_zen_vision:m_30gb.html

So what? No ITMS, no Gotcha. Apple will still win.

[Legodude522]

My brother wants to get an iPod video. Even as an iBook owner I tell him no. Thankyou for digging this up, I looked everywhere for the Engadget story but lost it. I will try to convince him to go for this. Sorry Apple.