Mozilla-based Browser for the Nokia N800

[zerojay]

Linked from Ari's latest blog post is http://browser.garage.maemo.org/ which contains an install for a new Mozilla-based browser for the N800. It supports AJAX and plenty of other features, as you can see on the site.

This is a great step to replacing more and more of the closed source apps.

So... those of you that found sites that didn't work before, please give them a shot now and list them below.

Pownce now works perfectly fine... I can now post on it natively on the N800.

[sherifnix]

Ok wow, I am impressed. Opera 8 was my biggest sticking point on the N800... it just wasn't up to date.

This is finally the direction Nokia needed to take... Finally a desktop browsing experience that Opera wasn't providing. I may hang onto my tablet after all. Flash 9 and Gecko 1.9.

[timsamoff]

Too cool! :)

-T.

[Bernard]

works remarkably well!

I would just like a port of the VLC player and the embedded plug-in. In linux it works perfectly for watching WMV files

[cporto]

This just might be the reason to upgrade to the new firmware.

[blackax]

Is it just me or does flash seem just a little better?

[geneven]

For some reason, I can't start a new thread, so I'm hijacking this one. If there is any reason I have transgressed, please let me know!


Anyway, take a look at http://www.nokia.co.uk/A4423362. The Nokia 8600 Luna has a number of features I would like, in particular java support.

[luketoh]

Google Docs works!!

[iball]

Holy crap, talk about coming out of nowhere...first the RTCOMM beta and now this.
So far everything I've tried with Google just works.
Combine that with the recent RTCOMM beta SIP/VoIP development and Skype and my tablet can now be for Internet: Serious Business™.
Looks like the N800 is starting to take off.

[aleksandyr]

There's already an mplayer plugin for Firefox on Linux that works quite well. I can't wait to see it integrated. :)

Wow! Flash? I wasn't expecting that.

[blackax]

It sounds like we will have to re-compile all the extensions to work on the n800 but if that means mplayer then i think we can deal :)

[Rider]

I can't set the minimum fontsize, I can't remap the keys for better page scrolling, and there seem to be bugs. :mad:

Uninstalled the whole beta thing and Opera came back :)

[Jerro]

Just on a whim I tried entering "about:config" in the location bar (a trick familiar to Firefox users) and it works! At least you can't complain there aren't enough options...

[SeRi@lDiE]

First: Encrypted VoIP
and now new browser?
Screw that I am going to upgrade!!! :D :D :D

[alvindd]

Using the Mozilla based browser, I can navigate further on Sirius.com than I could using Opera.

I can log in, and even choose a channel to listen to, but no sound.

[zerojay]

I can't set the minimum fontsize, I can't remap the keys for better page scrolling, and there seem to be bugs. :mad:

Uninstalled the whole beta thing and Opera came back :)

I haven't seen any bugs yet. Where did you find them?

[zerojay]

First: Encrypted VoIP
and now new browser?
Screw that I am going to upgrade!!! :D :D :D

VOIP isn't encrypted yet.

[Reggie]

A new Mozilla-based browser (developer version) is now available for the Nokia N800. The new features are as follows: 1. Mozilla Engine - provides support for the latest web standards and is flexible and extensible, and is based on mozilla.org's current Gecko layout engine which will be version 1.9 when it is released with Firefox 3.0 2. AJAX Support - allows rendering of modern sites that use AJAX (e.g. Google Maps, Google Docs, Meebo, etc.) 3. RSS Previews - takes advantage of native support for XML to render RSS feeds 4. Add-ons - upport for a number of Firefox and Mozilla add-ons allows you to enhance and personalize your browsing experience 5. Certificate Details - view certificate details for secure connections by pressing the lock button To install, click on this link from your Nokia N800. Visit Maemo's Mozilla browser Offical Page.Read the full article. (http://www.internettablettalk.com/2007/07/17/mozilla-based-browser-for-the-nokia-n800/)

[SeRi@lDiE]

VOIP isn't encrypted yet.
Is getting there the app is been ported.:cool:

http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=60658#post60658

[zerojay]

Is getting there the app is been ported.:cool:

http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=60658#post60658

Yes, I saw... but I'm far more interested in getting it integrated into the firmware instead of having another external app.

https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1668

[zerojay]

Anyone try any extensions for firefox with it yet?

[jmk]

Nice work Nokia. Hope they release Modest email-client beta soon ( http://guadec.org/node/552 ).

[iball]

Well, in about:config it lists the browser agent string as:

Firefox/3.0a1 Tablet browser 0.1.13 RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.26-8

So I guess some Firefox extensions/add-ons can be used?

Right now I'm trying to change the default text size and hardware nav button configuration.

[Mara]

Hmmm.. not really news to me... :p

http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=52797&highlight=opera#post52797

[screener]

so the opera will go away ??

how do i go to Google Docs ??

thaks

[Rider]

Right now I'm trying to change the default text size and hardware nav button configuration.

Please give us some hints when you succeed!

[Rider]

I haven't seen any bugs yet. Where did you find them?

Had a browser crash at youtube, so bad that even after the crash the CPU was used 100%. Had to kill the process. Youtube was slow too, much worse than with opera.

Then there were problems with scrolling using the "down" key. It scrolled a bit but then scrolled back to its original position, very strange and not on all sites.

Those bugs made me uninstall the new browser. I was quite happy with opera and my own private tweaks (up/down key as page up/down, minimum fontsize etc). Probably this can be established on the firefox too, but I'm just not patient enough to be a beta-tester :o

[luketoh]

Had the browser crash a few times. Not sure why it did that though...but its still beta, so can't really complain.

Great effort!

[zerojay]

Had a browser crash at youtube, so bad that even after the crash the CPU was used 100%. Had to kill the process. Youtube was slow too, much worse than with opera.

Then there were problems with scrolling using the "down" key. It scrolled a bit but then scrolled back to its original position, very strange and not on all sites.

Those bugs made me uninstall the new browser. I was quite happy with opera and my own private tweaks (up/down key as page up/down, minimum fontsize etc). Probably this can be established on the firefox too, but I'm just not patient enough to be a beta-tester :o

I can understand that. Testing isn't something for everyone. I've been a tester for a long time. It's funny, I go to work and fix bugs with my company's games on certain phones (Nokia included) and then come home and file bugs for the N800. :P

[disq]

Tip: To enable the "default browsing switcher menu", to be able to switch to Opera, close all instances of the web browser, and edit /home/user/.browser and make "hidden=true"

That way you don't have to uninstall it if you need Opera.

[davidebrady]

Getting further on the BBC clips online but not very http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctwo/noise/?id=rome

Same with other flash based sites such as http://www.cnettv.com

but Google Docs although a little slow worked quite well

and my ajax pages at http://www.protopage.com were certainly accessible.

Edit: change the quality to low and the BBC clips come through, choppy but....

[Rtalian]

WOW.
Texrat (& Mara when you joined in), people should have listened to you more. You said some things were coming, and you were exactly right. This is very nice & can only get better. I can only imagine the extent of what we'll get from Add-ons for this browser, and we've got the SIP client (well, w/out encryption so far) that people have been looking for. Digg (expanding/compressing comments) works properly now...I'm happy :D My one problem w/ this browser so far is that drop-down boxes and buttons display as black, but I'm sure that's because I'm using the LCARS theme.

[rcadden]

BIG brownie points to the first person to:

A. repackage the Google Browser Sync Firefox plugin to work on this

OR

B. write a real easy how-to so that noobs like me can do it ourselves.

[Texrat]

Halle-friggin'-luyah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can finally log in to my Wells Fargo account!!!!!! http://www.wellsfargo.com

I can't :) enough.

A few bugs though which I'll report:

1) entering text into web forms requires 2 clicks
2) when virtual keyboard pops up, web page scrollable area does not adjust
3) password text box did not show up on main Wells fargo login (had to go to secondary page)

Other than that, so far i'm ecstatic!!!!!! Thanks Zerojay and disq for proving that we CAN conduct information from official sources to this forum.

:D

[zerojay]

WOW.
My one problem w/ this browser so far is that drop-down boxes and buttons display as black, but I'm sure that's because I'm using the LCARS theme.

I would agree with you, as I'm not having these problems on my current theme, Balaton.

[zerojay]

Thanks Zerojay and disq for proving that we CAN conduct information from official sources to this forum.

:D

Wanna thank me? Reproduce and verify my bugs. ;)

My bug list... so far. (https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&emailreporter1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=darkstalker%40newcon.org&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailcc2=1&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&votes=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&cmdtype=doit&order=Bug+Number&field0-0-0=noop&type0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0=)

[proterra]

still unable to activate my account fully with www.plangarden.com flash problems I think but new browser gets as far as Opera.
Good couple of days for N800 of late.
Big thanks to those responsible

[revwillie]

what does it take to install this on a 770? 2007HE?

[sondjata]

Is it just me or is the vertical scroll bar a bit too far indented in the "normal
view". I can click at the very edge of the screen (not on scroll bar) and get the scroll bar to move. When I go full screen the scroll bar is where it should be though.

[Texrat]

Man, right now I'm so high on connecting to my bank account I can't focus on any bugs. :D

[disq]

Minimo already works with my bank. Btw, after installing this no matter if you switch the engines or not, the browser will now have ugly little padding around the app, just like the other apps have. It's a problem with hildon theming and probably will be fixed someday.

[Texrat]

Minimo wouldn't work with my bank, for me anyway, and turned out to be problematic for me in general.

[sondjata]

disq: thanks.

[Toontje]

I don't seem to be able to install this. I get this : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=60711#post60711

Anybody knows what to do against this?

Ton.

[Milhouse]

Is it just me or is the vertical scroll bar a bit too far indented in the "normal
view". I can click at the very edge of the screen (not on scroll bar) and get the scroll bar to move. When I go full screen the scroll bar is where it should be though.

Possibly - to me this is one thing that makes the Internet Tablet UI look naff, and shoud be fixed sooner than later. Bug #1252 (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1252) references the problem though there is no clear indication of what will be done about it.

[Milhouse]

I'm pretty stoked by this announcement - Mozilla on Maemo has been a long time coming! So glad it's here at last, and I hope 770 owners can benefit as well once an improved OS 2007HE arrives! :)

The Mozilla browser is working quite well for me - I like the fast back cache, and caching of other pages does seem to work which wasn't the case with Opera at all. I'm having trouble with the virtual keyboard on some sites - it appears then disappears - but I've found that hitting the center d-pad allows the finger keyboard to appear and I can then enter any text I need to.

Other than that it's working pretty well for a beta. And let's be honest, this beta is about as stable as a release version of Opera! :) And this beta has a ton more features!! Looking good for the future, goodbye Opera - you had your chance and blew it. ;)

[Texrat]

Voted on that bug Mil. Of course, I had to log in twice to bugzilla to do it... :/

[spiderx]

For those running OS2007 on 770 - this will not work on your system yet. It's linked to the libraries in the new OS2007. Until there is an update to HE, or until someone can figure out how to get those new libraries installed on your 2007on770 build, you have to wait.

[spiderx]

As far as dead space right of the scroll bar - tablet screens such as this face sensitivity issues around the edges, which would explain the need for some buffer space. Putting it too close to the edge might prompt complaints that the scroll bar is 'unresponsive'. A well designed UI for portable tablets takes into consideration the limitations of the hardware.

[mobiledivide]

The ability to do google reader is for me the best thing out of this update. The last couple of days have seen some nice beta releases out of Nokia that have really made this device a lot meore special... its too bad the press will only report on the Skype addition which is probably the most INSIGNIFICANT update to have occurred.

[Texrat]

As far as dead space right of the scroll bar - tablet screens such as this face sensitivity issues around the edges, which would explain the need for some buffer space. Putting it too close to the edge might prompt complaints that the scroll bar is 'unresponsive'. A well designed UI for portable tablets takes into consideration the limitations of the hardware.

Maybe, but the scroll bar/button size issue remains valid IMO.

[jeffmings]

This is the greatest news for the N800 since... well, ever!

I am absolutely thrilled that Google Docs works and the most useful browser engine now resides in my pocket.


Many thanks to the developers!

-Jeff

[amigokin]

Maybe I'm stupid or something, but after install where I can find the app???

"Fixed": No one told me I had to close / reopen the browser window :P

[Texrat]

"Fixed": No one told me I had to close / reopen the browser window :P

It was in the instructions on the web page, wasn't it?

[amigokin]

It was in the instructions on the web page, wasn't it?

YES, but I clicked the link provided in the index of the ITT website... As far as I can tell, there is no mention to the close/reopen thing over there, is it?

[piku]

BIG brownie points to the first person to:

A. repackage the Google Browser Sync Firefox plugin to work on this

OR

B. write a real easy how-to so that noobs like me can do it ourselves.

It doesn't seem to understand what .xpi files are.

Now, xpi files are just zipfiles, and it's possible to uncompress them using "unzip". The next problem is what to do with the files. Looking at a PC version of Firefox they seem to go into the "extensions" directory under "browsersync@google.com", but after that I have no idea. I suspect the settings in prefs.js get added by the installer too when it goes through the first-run wizard.

[Texrat]

YES, but I clicked the link provided in the index of the ITT website... As far as I can tell, there is no mention to the close/reopen thing over there, is it?

There has to be, because I saw it... maybe in this thread? Heck I forget, but I saw it.

[mobiledivide]

It doesn't seem to understand what .xpi files are.

Now, xpi files are just zipfiles, and it's possible to uncompress them using "unzip". The next problem is what to do with the files. Looking at a PC version of Firefox they seem to go into the "extensions" directory under "browsersync@google.com", but after that I have no idea. I suspect the settings in prefs.js get added by the installer too when it goes through the first-run wizard.

I think the way to do it is found over here http://browser.garage.maemo.org/docs/extension.html
no time to look at this today but maybe tommorrow evening I can.

[Sadavyk]

OMG! This is great

[earl00]

does someone want to create a database of converted extensions?

[Milhouse]

As far as dead space right of the scroll bar - tablet screens such as this face sensitivity issues around the edges, which would explain the need for some buffer space. Putting it too close to the edge might prompt complaints that the scroll bar is 'unresponsive'. A well designed UI for portable tablets takes into consideration the limitations of the hardware.

Selling touchscreens with poor sensitivity is akin to selling LCD screens with defective pixels - no one stands for that kind of thing these days! :)

As for the gutter space to the right of the scroll bar, when you maximise an application the gutter space disappers suggesting the wasted space in non-maximised view serves no real purpose and is not needed as compensation for hardware limitations. The gutter space visible in non-maximised view is simply down to bad theme/GUI design and no other reason, and should have been dealt with in OS 2005.

[SeRi@lDiE]

So it is encrypted just not what you want.

[alfromcal]

Nice improvements. How do you suppress the javascript warnings? Domimo Web Access works better except emails in the Inbox don't display. Any ideas?

[jhford]

How do I get it to recognize my bank's digital certificate which I installed via Control Panel?
Thanks

[Traecer]

This is intriguing, and great news...and yet so far I'm not really seeing much benefit it me over Opera. So how do I uninstall MicroB without destroying Opera? The packages I see apparently depend on packages I don't see in the Application Manager. I'm assuming I'll have to move to "red pill" mode, but I'm still uncertain of the order in which to uninstall...

[mjparker75]

Anyone else having trouble accessing internet video via ORB (.ram)? I can play the Orb test file okay, but everything else gives me a playback error.

Let me know. This browser is fantastic...

[iball]

This is intriguing, and great news...and yet so far I'm not really seeing much benefit it me over Opera. So how do I uninstall MicroB without destroying Opera? The packages I see apparently depend on packages I don't see in the Application Manager. I'm assuming I'll have to move to "red pill" mode, but I'm still uncertain of the order in which to uninstall...
In the main menu in the new browser there's an option to switch engines.
Just select Opera and then close the browser and reopen it and it will then use the old Opera browser.

Anyone else found the "bug" where the keyboard won't stay open if the browser is in full-screen mode with the toolbar hidden?
Time to go search through the bugs I guess...

[mjparker75]

Anyone else having trouble accessing internet video via ORB (.ram)? I can play the Orb test file okay, but everything else gives me a playback error.

Let me know. This browser is fantastic...

A little more info... Orb streaming works with the Daily Motion videos, and with the video on my hard drive, but none of the other video sites will play...

It was working a couple days ago with the old browser and nothing else has changed in my setup.

[iball]

Anyone else having the same bug (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1682) I'm having?
When using the Mozilla engine in the new browser and the browser is in
full-screen mode with the toolbar hidden, tapping into a text entry field on
any web page in the browser results in the keyboard popping up for a second and
then going back into hidden state.
When browser is NOT in full screen mode the keyboard shows up fine when tapping
in a test entry field.
When browser is in full screen mode AND the toolbar is NOT hidden the keyboard
works just fine and stays up when tapping in a text entry field.

If you are, please add to the bug in the link above.

[bakerbaker]

this is awesome news. i got rid of the n800 because of the browser limitation. now im definitely re buying!

btw, google docs, even using minimo, is the performance similiar or better on mozilla? like it was toooo slow on minimo like its unusable slow.

[Milhouse]

In the main menu in the new browser there's an option to switch engines.
Just select Opera and then close the browser and reopen it and it will then use the old Opera browser.

Anyone else found the "bug" where the keyboard won't stay open if the browser is in full-screen mode with the toolbar hidden?
Time to go search through the bugs I guess...

Yes, I mentioned it higher up.... press the center d-pad to open the finger keyboard instead (as a temporary work around until it's fixed proper).

[sondjata]

There is a rendering issue on the NYT homepage. Specifically the videos portion is now showing scrollbars.

[ahcloned]

This is a BIG update. :) It was enough to get me to de-lurk and post. The new browser is faster and more responsive. The browser cache works just like in firefox and when you hit the back button it's instant.

I just checked and logmein.com will now work. Which is great because I Use that as the easy way to do remote help for friends and family. It wouldn't work with opera or minimo.

I'm sure there are bugs and somethings are broken but an open source mozilla based browser has been needed for a while. Extensions will make this even better.

It's one more thing that the iphone doesn't have. :)

ahcloned

[Sam Lowry]

I am very happy about the wellsfargo.com access, but the bug mentioned about the keyboard not working well at full screen, makes me crazy. Without a doubt, if that one thing was fixed, I'd be the happiest guy in my home (which I am the only one :) ) Keep up the good work whoever you people are.

I forgot, give me a working adblock extension and I'll kiss your feet.

[TheRealBubba]

Hmmm, I lost the ability to scroll by dragging my finger on the screen on some pages (eg Wikipedia). I have to use the scrollbars to scroll the page :(

[TheRealBubba]

In the main menu in the new browser there's an option to switch engines. Just select Opera and then close the browser and reopen it and it will then use the old Opera browser.


I'm not seeing this option, can you be more explicit?

[Nik1]

Bearly got myseld to write this post. It seems to have problem with the backspace button and some webpages such as youtube.com are not being rendered properly. Many other small problems, but who could blame them, they did state this was not even beta ready.

[iball]

I am very happy about the wellsfargo.com access, but the bug mentioned about the keyboard not working well at full screen, makes me crazy. Without a doubt, if that one thing was fixed, I'd be the happiest guy in my home (which I am the only one :) ) Keep up the good work whoever you people are.
Please make sure you go to the link in my post above and comment on it.
The more people who comment on this bug over there, the higher up in priority it will climb and the faster the focus on fixing it will be.


I forgot, give me a working adblock extension and I'll kiss your feet.
I find Privoxy works well enough for me, of course I tweaked it to have the same configuration as the one running on my Macbook Pro.

[iball]

I'm not seeing this option, can you be more explicit?

Open up the drop-down menu inside the browser itself and look for the last option at the bottom of the list. It will say "Set Engine".

[Milhouse]

I'm not seeing this option, can you be more explicit?

Open the application menu by pressing the Menu button or by clicking in the application title area. Below the "Close" menu item is a new menu item "Set engine".

EDIT: iball beat me to it... I really should stop opening new posts in tabs - by the time I get round to replying I'm usually well beaten! :)

[mjparker75]

I don't have a switch engine option

why?

[TheRealBubba]

Open the application menu by pressing the Menu button or by clicking in the application title area. Below the "Close" menu item is a new menu item "Set engine".

Crazy crazy, the last item in the menu list is "Close".
microb-* appear in the installed applications list, so I assume we're live...

[Milhouse]

Please make sure you go to the link in my post above and comment on it.


I'm sure that's a blindingly obvious bug that will be fixed by the next release, but I voted/commented on it just in case. :)

I also opened bug #1685 (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1685) as it doesn't seem possible to enter shifted characters using the "sliding upstroke" method on the virtual keyboard.

[iball]

Did you reboot your device afterwards? Close and reopen the browser itself after installation?
I didn't do anything special to enable that, it was just "there", but I remember reading somewhere in here (or maemo?) some sort of option to enable that.

[Milhouse]

I don't have a switch engine option

why?

Hmmm.... most odd. Try uninstalling then re-installing microb-browser.

[Rocketman]

I don't have the switch engine option either. I have uninstalled, reinstalled, rebooted and taken the battery out and restarted and every combination thereof. I am pretty sure that the new browser is installed (as some pages render differently), I just don't have the option of toggling to the old rendering engine. I am running the most recent firmware and restored my data from previous backup.

Some problems I am noticing:
-map tiles not appearing in google maps
-www.escapepod.org title image only partially loads
-If I have flash turned on, the above page crashes (which was the same with just Opera install).

[ifallacy]

my thoughts and discoveries:
*tiddlywiki saving works now when you open the file locally, just like on any other computer! (no more strange backends for saving - yay!) - the only problem is that you get a bunch of mozilla security popups that you can correct with the addition of a user.js in ~/.mozilla/minib/ (err.. can't remember the directory name exactly) - i'll post specific instructions tomorrow! =]

*youtube seems slower now - doesn't seem to play smoothly even after the video's completely loaded =/, BUT with a good mplayer plugin for firefox (i believe one already exists in the x86/x86_64 linux realm) we could just have mplayer do the dirty work for us! =]

*as someone mentioned earlier - google reader works! huzzah! now give me gears / offline sync support and i'll be sold! - or better yet, home page integration so google reader feeds show up there - hopefully this will become a reality as nokia and google seem somewhat close, but as far as i know, gears is only for x86 for now =/

is it just me, or is it ironic that the install page for the browser doesn't render correctly in the original opera maemo browser? =P - and no, i did not take time to read the entire thread, so i apologize in advance for stating the obvious if i did x.x

[TheRealBubba]

I also tried uninstalling etc, then...

Switch engine option found, following instruction from much earlier in this thread I edited /home/user/.browser to make "hidden=true".

Now I have back scrolling with finger drags on Wikipedia pages, thanks to Opera.

[Rocketman]

Thanks, editing the .browser file worked for me. I wonder why this option appears enabled for some people and not others? Could it be related to having done a restore from backup after upgrading to the new firmware?

[orbitalcomp]

New browser is working great for me, doesn't choke on certain sites that Opera used to. I like the new RSS feed button to quickly add feeds, plus the ability to switch engines is nice also. I have the option in the menu bar, seems like a few of you didn't get that option.

Only thing I noticed was that I had to put my forum logins and passwords again, but no big deal, now they are saved. Even with a few bugs and glitches, Nokia is definitely going the right direction with the new Mozilla browser.

Are we N800 users getting spoiled, or what? It sure has been a very good 10 days or so on the upgrade front. At this rate, we should have A2DP, SlingPlayer, and all the other stuff we've been asking for by the beginning of August :D

[POost]

This new browser is great news!
Google can now do much of the missing PIM-stuff. And I remember feeling frustrated that I couldn't open locally stored .htm-files in Opera*, this new browser does that without a problem.

One thing: the "fit to width" option seems to work a bit differently from the Opera-version, it feels a bit more clumsy.


(* disclaimer: my memories turn hazy after a couples of weeks. Maybe it wasn't Operas fault, maybe it was just me not finding out how to do it)

[chilko]

Tip: To enable the "default browsing switcher menu", to be able to switch to Opera, close all instances of the web browser, and edit /home/user/.browser and make "hidden=true"

That way you don't have to uninstall it if you need Opera.

can i ask for a detailed instructions for this? i'm a total newbie with linux.
thanks

[geneven]

Yes, I have to admit this is impressive, and more than makes up for the anemic upgrade firmware we got earlier.

However, when I went to the Google Spreadsheets pages, my spreadsheet came up with a black empty void where the spreadsheet was supposed to be. I could run Preview and see my original data, but I didn't see how I could edit it.

[delaroca]

This new browser is great news!
Google can now do much of the missing PIM-stuff. And I remember feeling frustrated that I couldn't open locally stored .htm-files in Opera*, this new browser does that without a problem.

One thing: the "fit to width" option seems to work a bit differently from the Opera-version, it feels a bit more clumsy.


(* disclaimer: my memories turn hazy after a couples of weeks. Maybe it wasn't Operas fault, maybe it was just me not finding out how to do it)

Re Google docs, spreadsheet display does not work correctly. Either new or loaded spreadsheets display black text over a black background... I tried fiddling with "selecting all" and then trying to adjust the text and background colors but I didn't succeed.

Anyone observing this too?

-- Denis

[arjaan]

Thanks, editing the .browser file worked for me. I wonder why this option appears enabled for some people and not others? Could it be related to having done a restore from backup after upgrading to the new firmware?

I didn´t do a restore from backup and had the option to switch. I think you're right.

[lucky-luke]

Any idea how to use it with our OLD 770?
And without the OS2007 HE?

Thanks, great Job!

[TA-t3]

Has anyone figured ut yet how to reconfigure the D-pad in Mozilla? In Opera I edited the input.ini file to set Down = Page Down and Up = Page Up, to let up/down scroll by a page. I've looked around but haven't figured out how to do this with the new browser. Anyone?

[TA-t3]

The most noticable issues so far:
- There's a delay before it starts loading the page, like as when I network over GPRS instead of wi-fi.
- Changing zoom level is much slower. This is probably what bothers me most in normal use.
EDIT: - Even more the fact that the on-screen keyboard keeps popping up at all times, even when I have the external BT kbd enabled..

[Rider]

The most noticable issues so far:
- There's a delay before it starts loading the page, like as when I network over GPRS instead of wi-fi.
- Changing zoom level is much slower. This is probably what bothers me most in normal use.
EDIT: - Even more the fact that the on-screen keyboard keeps popping up at all times, even when I have the external BT kbd enabled..

I had several crashess when changing the zoom level. Page rendered was a large table, no problem with Opera.

BEWARE: The keyboard bug will stay even if you switch back to opera. Even if you uninstall the new browser, the keyboard bug will still remain.

[toby]

However, when I went to the Google Spreadsheets pages, my spreadsheet came up with a black empty void where the spreadsheet was supposed to be. I could run Preview and see my original data, but I didn't see how I could edit it.

Snap. Is this a known issue?

[frethop]

Re Google docs, spreadsheet display does not work correctly. Either new or loaded spreadsheets display black text over a black background... I tried fiddling with "selecting all" and then trying to adjust the text and background colors but I didn't succeed.

Anyone observing this too?

Yes. Google Spreadsheets do the same for me: big black void where the data is supposed to be.

-F

[johsua]

This might be interesting to look at, but the "Documentation" section is not there... or I am missing something?

https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=1175

Posted By: Leonid Zolotarev
Date: 2007-07-18 10:15
Summary: Mozilla based browser for maemo GUADEC 2007 slides published
Project: Maemo Browser

GUADEC 2007 presentation is published. Find it in the "Documentation" section.

[TTgowings]

Wow, and whew is all I can say right now and I really can't believe I'm saying this but I've gotten the default (Opera) browser back, as with some others I also did not have the menu option to change browser engines. So I did the next best thing and went back to the installed apps and just un-installed every application associated with the mozilla/microb browser. The sad thing is I so really (4x) wanted a better browsing experience on the IT, but geesh I mean I've used beta software before but wow. Scrolling was completely unusable with either the D-pad or finger as the OSK keyboard was constantly flashing up and down uncontrollably, and going page to page, link to link pages would load and look differently. So for me until the beta gets some things straightened out I'll take a pass for now, but I do like to see and hear of the continuing progress on the platform.

[paulrb02]

So who is going to port Adblock first? And when you do take the glory of being the first, please post how ya did it, or the code.

[mobiledivide]

WowWow, and whew is all I can say right now and I really can't believe I'm saying
this right now but I've gotten the default (Opera) browser back now, as with
some others I also did not have the menu option to change browser engines.
So I did the next best thing and went back to the installed apps and just un-installed every , and whew is all I can say right now and I really can't believe I'm saying this right now but I've gotten the default (Opera) browser back now, as with some others I also did not have the menu option to change browser enginWowWow, and whew is all I can say right now and I really can't believe I'm
saying ........

Gotta watch out for that finger keyboard bug ;)

I for one welcome the fact that Nokia is releasing early beta and pre alpha (rtcomm communications) software. That enables users like me who were using even less stable apps to really squeeze the most out of the IT.
It seems that lots of users were complaining about silence and lack of developments on the platform, now that there is dialogue and lots of releases (buggy as they may be) people are still complaining!!
Makes me remember why I stopped working in a software development house, as difficult as it may be it is pretty much a thankless job.

[johsua]

I'll take the bugs with the alpha/beta software - certainly beats silence! Hooray to the developers. I thank you.

[Greyghost]

Is anyone else have a download issue with the new Mozilla browser? When I try to install, it 'hangs', resets and then fails...perhaps too many people downloading? I have the new firmware...maybe I just need to wait a little while and try again?

[jhford]

Tip: To enable the "default browsing switcher menu", to be able to switch to Opera, close all instances of the web browser, and edit /home/user/.browser and make "hidden=true"

That way you don't have to uninstall it if you need Opera.
I can't find the .browser file.
HELP!!
Thanks

[mjparker75]

I didn´t do a restore from backup and had the option to switch. I think you're right.

I did do a restore from backup, so I agree, that could be the glitch. Right now I don't see any need to ever go back though. The Mozilla browser has, for me, completely trumped the Opera one. The only thing I could do in Opera that I can't seem to do right now is get Orb to stream internet video from anywhere but Daily Motion. But I don't watch a lot of internet video anyhow, and being able to use GoogleDocs is so much more satisfying.

I kind of worry that, since that switch engine option is missing, there are more subtle features I'm missing as well. Anyone have a thought on that?

[zerojay]

I can't find the .browser file.
HELP!!
Thanks

Files that begin with a . are automatically hidden in Linux. If you want to edit it, use vi /home/user/.browser.

[rhouge]

I also tried uninstalling etc, then...

Switch engine option found, following instruction from much earlier in this thread I edited /home/user/.browser to make "hidden=true".

Now I have back scrolling with finger drags on Wikipedia pages, thanks to Opera.


i have closed all browsers and using GPE file manager to search for this file, and can't find the .browser directory. i am able to see my home/user/.fonts (only after explicitly typing in the path). but when I try home/user/.browser I get an "invalid directory" error. Is it possible that I don't have one? Should I create one?
Am i missing something?

[Toontje]

Is anyone else have a download issue with the new Mozilla browser? When I try to install, it 'hangs', resets and then fails...perhaps too many people downloading? I have the new firmware...maybe I just need to wait a little while and try again?

Check the Application Manager logfile. Maybe you have the same problem i'm having? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7811

Ton.

[zerojay]

I'm using GPE file manager to search for this file, and can't find the .browser directory.
Am i missing something?

I don't know if GPE uses the standard Nokia abstraction of the file system because if it does, it will not see it. Also, .files will be hidden. If GPE honors that, it won't be seen there either. You would be better off just opening up an xterm and editing it that way.

[aleksandyr]

I take it most of you never tried running Phoenix nightly builds. Oh, memories. :)

I'm pleased about having an open, hackable browser core. I would almost have preferred WebKit, but Gecko's extension system potentially equals win.

[zerojay]

I take it most of you never tried running Phoenix nightly builds. Oh, memories. :)

I'm pleased about having an open, hackable browser core. I would almost have preferred WebKit, but Gecko's extension system potentially equals win.

I seem to remember when I found the announcement for this new renderer that Webkit/KHTML was also on the way, but I can't seem to find it right now.

[Keyser.Soze]

I found something that's very frustrating after installing this new browser. I need to input Chinese so I have been using the SCIM IME maemo port. It replaces the default virtual keyboard so this could be related to what I am having right now. When using the Mozilla browser, whenever I click within the browser window, even the scroll bar, the SCIM input window will come out. Switched the engine back to Opera and it's gone. Very frustrated right now...

[TheRealBubba]

i am able to see my home/user/.fonts (only after explicitly typing in the path). but when I try home/user/.browser I get an "invalid directory" error. Is it possible that I don't have one? Should I create one?

.browser is not a directory, it's a file. I gave up trying to figure out how to edit it via the gui, and just used vi in an xterm.

[rcadden]

So we're still waiting on a walkthrough to repackage our favorite extensions?

[Rtalian]

I for one welcome the fact that Nokia is releasing early beta and pre alpha (rtcomm communications) software. That enables users like me who were using even less stable apps to really squeeze the most out of the IT.
I agree. This is more in line with the general opensource community and will help with the concerns over lack of communication. Personally, I generally prefer to use the latest & greatest, even if there are minor bugs. I'm sure a lot of others use opensource software for the same reason (well, as one of their reasons). To me, a device using GNU/Linux should be in constant OPEN development, and this appears to be the right direction.

[Radar]

So we're still waiting on a walkthrough to repackage our favorite extensions?
They already have the walkthrough in the Documentation section:

http://browser.garage.maemo.org/docs/extension.html

We're all just waiting for someone else to do it, heh.

[harliquin]

Okay, just FYI.

I changed the hidden=true in the .browser file.
I stopped and restarted the browser, no new menu option.
I finally thought of looking at the .browser file, it had changed back to hidden=false.

Make sure you exit the browser before editing the file.

[Texrat]

I'll take the bugs with the alpha/beta software - certainly beats silence! Hooray to the developers. I thank you.

Absolutely. The Wells Fargo access alone makes every bug I've seen worth it for me. I saw a while back that this browser was coming but couldn't get everything I needed to get it installed... so the past few weeks were sure frustrating! :D

[Dolske]

Anyone try any extensions for firefox with it yet?

Unfortunately, the announcement said that Microb does not include XUL, so Firefox extensions which add/modify the UI are not going to work. I don't see a port of the Extension Manager (yet?), so I'm curious to see to what degree add-ons will be supported.

[alvindd]

Thank you!
This Mozilla-based Browser has allowed me to sign-in and choose a station on Sirius.com, but no sound. Could not get that far with Opera.
I'm guessing that I need a plug-in or something like that.

[docnesh]

Overall I'm impressed with the browser, I hope the recent firmware update and now this new browser is the start of a nice stream of updates and enhancements we can look forward to... Once the kinks are worked out of this new browser it will definitely be an improvement....

[Rocketman]

I applaud Nokia for engaging the community by releasing beta-ish software for public trial and feedback. The software is, as noted by Nokia, far from a 1.0 release state. By releasing this software, they give us a chance to benefit from it early and for us to find bugs that would not likely encounter through what seems to me to be an under-sized internal software QA program. Make sure that in using the software, if you encounter bugs/rendering errors, etc. that you report them officially by using bugzilla and not just gripe about them on the board. I know that a lot of Nokia's developers hang out here, but a post reply is not the same thing as a detailed bug report.

[Chinpokomon]

For those running OS2007 on 770 - this will not work on your system yet...
This makes me sad, but hopeful. What are the chances Flash 9 support would come with this, should 2007HE incorporate this update?

[albertkarel]

Yeah, yeah...this is all great...but all just part of Nokia blowing the iPhone race. The n800 (I have one and a 770) is just a disabled iPhone-category superphone. It is insane that I cannot simply connect with Sprint Power Vision...that I have to grub around searching for somebody's unprotected Wifi node. YIKES! Are we ABSOLUTELY SURE that the n800 doesn't have cell circuits in it??!! We never suspected that it had FM radio. So...this is all good news...but we are ohhhing and ahhhing over a piece of hardware that has been made obsolete by the iPhone. Until Nokia has the balls to put a phone in the n800 (SAME SCREEN PLEASE)...we'll just be messing around with a clever, but outdated, piece of gear. Sorry Nokia...but that's how I see it.

[Milhouse]

I applaud Nokia for engaging the community by releasing beta-ish software for public trial and feedback. The software is, as noted by Nokia, far from a 1.0 release state. By releasing this software, they give us a chance to benefit from it early and for us to find bugs that would not likely encounter through what seems to me to be an under-sized internal software QA program. Make sure that in using the software, if you encounter bugs/rendering errors, etc. that you report them officially by using bugzilla and not just gripe about them on the board. I know that a lot of Nokia's developers hang out here, but a post reply is not the same thing as a detailed bug report.

I totally agree 100%, and everyone should be aware that this is unfinished, untested, beta (even alpha) quality "Developer" software (aimed at Developers, not end users) and set their expectations accordingly. If it doesn't work, screws up a device (requiring a reflash) or messes up other applications - too bad, that's why it's Beta (file a bug!) :)

Nokia are concious of the fact they normally only release polished and well tested applications to end users and this "release early, release often" approach is new for them and they don't want end users trying out beta software and going away disappointed, thinking that Nokia are releasing poor quality software for Internet Tablets.

Test this Beta software only if you are prepared for the consequences! :)

[Milhouse]

Yeah, yeah...this is all great...but all just part of Nokia blowing the iPhone race. The n800 (I have one and a 770) is just a disabled iPhone-category superphone. It is insane that I cannot simply connect with Sprint Power Vision...that I have to grub around searching for somebody's unprotected Wifi node. YIKES! Are we ABSOLUTELY SURE that the n800 doesn't have cell circuits in it??!! We never suspected that it had FM radio. So...this is all good news...but we are ohhhing and ahhhing over a piece of hardware that has been made obsolete by the iPhone. Until Nokia has the balls to put a phone in the n800 (SAME SCREEN PLEASE)...we'll just be messing around with a clever, but outdated, piece of gear. Sorry Nokia...but that's how I see it.

Nonsense Post of The Day (NPTD).

Good luck using an iPhone on Sprint by the way (oh no, that won't work either). There's probably a technical reason (your cellular phone, perhaps?) which may explain your problems with the N800/770 on Sprint... but it's always easier to bash the N800 isn't it, particularly when you think it's "in a race" with the iPhone. Sigh.

[Nik1]

I hope they release an update to fix these critical bugs soon. The browser is a big step towards web 2.0, I hope this is one of many great additions to come.

[Texrat]

^ seconded (Milhouse). When are these folks going to realize the iPhone and N800 overlap in some areas but are NOT in the same market space?

[rcadden]

^ seconded (Milhouse). When are these folks going to realize the iPhone and N800 overlap in some areas but are NOT in the same market space?

Sadly, it won't be until the Internet Tablet has an actual purpose. Don't take that as a bashing, I have mine, I modded it, and I use it, but in the eyes of the market, it's still desperately reaching to find its purpose in life. What is it really for?

Once they've got a target (is it consumers? geeks? engineers? WHO?!) then it will stand for better comparisons.

[Saturn]

Okay, just FYI.

I changed the hidden=true in the .browser file.
I stopped and restarted the browser, no new menu option.
I finally thought of looking at the .browser file, it had changed back to hidden=false.

Make sure you exit the browser before editing the file.

I didn't originally had this option but after the edit, it has now appeared. Strange..

In general, there are some bugs like the keyboard appearing when you scroll down the page with the button etc. , but the most annoying is that it loads the pages much slower (when compared to Opera). The cashing though works excellent.

As another poster said, i am curious to know if the slower loading is because of the device's settings or from the beta code of Mozilla?:confused:

EDIT: Forgot to add that I agree with Milhouse and I didnt intended to critisize at all. I am super happy with both the RTCOMM and Mozilla additions. Many thanks to the guys for sharing.

[mjparker75]

I didn't originally had this option but after the edit, it has now appeared. Strange..

Okay, my lack of xterm knowledge is about to become very apparent. Once I get vi statement entered, and a list of items appears, how do I toggle the false to true? I tried entering text and it wouldn't let me. Do I need to be root, or am I missing something obvious?

[Texrat]

Sadly, it won't be until the Internet Tablet has an actual purpose. Don't take that as a bashing, I have mine, I modded it, and I use it, but in the eyes of the market, it's still desperately reaching to find its purpose in life. What is it really for?

Once they've got a target (is it consumers? geeks? engineers? WHO?!) then it will stand for better comparisons.

Well, the purpose is and will increasingly be general, so I don't see a singular purpose being identified. Even "internet tablet" is too narrow, as many people have said here numerous times. So IMO that's how it needs to be presented: "Here's everything this little wonder can do. YOU define how much of that broad scope is applicable to your needs. Enjoy!"

I think the ultimate target is anyone wanting most of a laptop's core functionality with a lot less of its bulk. That's certainly me, and with the advent of the new browser, it's almost there as far as I'm concerned. This morning I used my N800 as my laptop and the only thing I couldn't do that I needed to was see my Outlook personal folders. Well, that's not a showstopper for me.

[Saturn]

Okay, my lack of xterm knowledge is about to become very apparent. Once I get vi statement entered, and a list of items appears, how do I toggle the false to true? I tried entering text and it wouldn't let me. Do I need to be root, or am I missing something obvious?

I would propose to install LeafPad. Its much easier to use, like notepad ;)

Then in xterm type:
leafpad .browser

and voila..

[Mara]

^ seconded (Milhouse). When are these folks going to realize the iPhone and N800 overlap in some areas but are NOT in the same market space?

My personal take on iPhone is that its primary purpose was to replace the aging iPod. Today less people want to carry on multiple devices, and integrating the mobile media player (iPod) and cell phone together makes a lot of sense. On the other hand Nokia (and other cell phone manufacturers) has been doing the same in 'reverse' since they are adding media player capabilities to cell phones... (Didn't I read in some news that Nokia is actually worlds biggest portable MP3 player AND digital camera manufacturer, due to the fact that both of these functions are now part of most Nokia phones sold?) Because of that Apple had no choice but to introduce the new iPod with phone capabilities, thus the name iPhone.

And it does not end here: Today more people use mobile internet and adding the Internet capabilities to iPhone is absolutely must for that device to success... just like most advanced cell phones have.

The N800 is best defined as a mobile phone companion to provide big screen Internet end terminal to compliment mobile data plan. As it is open for third party SW developers lots of other software have been written to it and the "Internet tablet" definition is becoming more blurry...

In the end I do not see N800 and iPhone as direct competitors. The iPhone makes more sense to "general public" wanting to carry one single all-in-one device. The N800 makes more sense to people who already have nice and small (fitting in pants pocket) cell phone and do not always need to carry "Internet terminal" with them, but only when needed. I belong to the latter category... :rolleyes:

Last note that this is MY OPINION and not trying to force you to believe the same... :cool:

[steffen800]

so what (the hell) is this "i cant't see the switch browser engine option", "google maps (etc.) is NOT working with new browser (as is did even on opera)"?
both matches my situation and the people here are separeted into "works almost fine" and "oh no! switch back!! (if i only could!!!)" fractions.
is this realy caused by restoring my backup? wasn't this the recommended way by nokia? how else can i get back all my config stuff, if not by restoring? and why is this natural thing such a big mistake at all?
thanks steffen

[mobiledivide]

Sadly, it won't be until the Internet Tablet has an actual purpose. Don't take that as a bashing, I have mine, I modded it, and I use it, but in the eyes of the market, it's still desperately reaching to find its purpose in life. What is it really for?

Once they've got a target (is it consumers? geeks? engineers? WHO?!) then it will stand for better comparisons.

I think Nokia have pretty much come clean and declared this an exploratory device. I think they more interested in Maemo development for future devices than this generations N800 sales numbers. Nokia considers itself an "Internet Company" not a mobile phone manufacturer and so with this class of device they are attempting to see what the market wants as far as MID's and how the market reacts to open source software. When you ask what is this device for, you might as well ask what is the internet for?

This device is supposed to bring the value of the internet to a smaller portable device (just watch that N800 video on your IT). This Mozilla based browser is a huuuuge step in the right direction as most things on the internet are compatible with IE and Mozilla. The ability to run internet based apps and widgets based on a core that thousands of developers optimize for is the right move instead of relying on web standards like Opera does, which although nice in a perfect world ultimately is not realistic.

This device is not really ready for mass consumption but I think the hardware is close. There are many uses for it but in its core use as an internet access device its almost there.

[albertkarel]

Just a followup. I have no problems at all with the 800 or 770.
They work just fine...if I am in somebody's tiny Wifi cloud. I'm sure not bashing the 800 or 770...I have had hundreds of enjoyable hours with them, especially on Internet Radio.

I AM bashing Nokia for not making the 800 a fabulous, always connected, beautiful-screen, highly capable superphone. With cell circuits (hopefully on a faster network than Cingular) the 800 phone IS directly comparable to the iPhone. That's the point. In fact, in a whole list of ways, it is BETTER and more capable than the iPhone. In fact, I would buy an 800 Superphone before I'd buy an iPhone any day of the week.

Shouldn't we all have an always-connected, high-speed 800?

I made the prior post because I don't want Nokia to sit smugly by, reading all the praise for this latest small improvement.

I want them to be the great, innovative Nokia that they have been, and should be. GIVE US an 800 with full telephone capability! It would leapfrog Treo, Blackberry, Moto, AND iphone. JUST DO IT!!!

[Milhouse]

The N800 is best defined as a mobile phone companion to provide big screen Internet end terminal to compliment mobile data plan. As it is open for third party SW developers lots of other software have been written to it and the "Internet tablet" definition is becoming more blurry...


In addition, is it any surprise that the iPhone is locked down so tight? Third party software is verbotten, because the carriers are concerned about protecting their networks and network revenue.

As soon as Nokia add a phone to the Internet Tablets, they either ditch third party development or ditch carrier support along with carrier subsidies - one or the other, you can't have both. OpenMoko may be open but I doubt it will have wide spread carrier support.

I love the iPhone UI, I think it's great and I'm really glad to see it re-energising the somewhat staid mobile phone market but it isn't a competitor to the Internet Tablets. :)

[Milhouse]

so what (the hell) is this "i cant't see the switch browser engine option", "google maps (etc.) is NOT working with new browser (as is did even on opera)"?
both matches my situation and the people here are separeted into "works almost fine" and "oh no! switch back!! (if i only could!!!)" fractions.
is this realy caused by restoring my backup? wasn't this the recommended way by nokia? how else can i get back all my config stuff, if not by restoring? and why is this natural thing such a big mistake at all?
thanks steffen

Sorry it's not working for you, but may I suggest you reflash and stay away from software that is advertised as NOT being end-user ready in future?

[peetmossfloss]

Okay, my lack of xterm knowledge is about to become very apparent. Once I get vi statement entered, and a list of items appears, how do I toggle the false to true? I tried entering text and it wouldn't let me. Do I need to be root, or am I missing something obvious?

Easy Peasy. To insert text in vi type i then make your edits. When you're done you can save and quit by hitting the escape thumb key, "the button on the top above the home and menu keys," then type :wq and hit return to write the file and quit vi.

[Milhouse]

Shouldn't we all have an always-connected, high-speed 800?


Mine already is always connected... via WiFi or Bluetooth (and my 3G/HSDPA mobile phone).

Consider this:

iPhone - staggered launches around the globe, individual negotiations with cellular operators who impose their requirements on the devices final functionality, software locked, individual country radio emissions compliance testing, works only on 2G EDGE

Internet Tablet - global launch (apart from most of Asia), no cellular operator interference, open source development, FCC testing is good enough for most countries, works with phones on all networks from 2G GSM through to 3.5G HSDPA.

Nokia had good reasons NOT to include a phone in the Internet Tablets, and I for one agree with their choice as I can choose my own mobile phone (which doesn't have to be a Nokia) and I also don't have to hold a brick to the side of my head (the N800 has a large screen and is therefore itself quite large!) when I want to make a phone call! :)

[chilko]

I would propose to install LeafPad. Its much easier to use, like notepad ;)

Then in xterm type:
leafpad .browser

and voila..

great!
thanks

[Milhouse]

Easy Peasy. To insert text in vi type i then make your edits. When you're done you can save and quit by hitting the escape thumb key, "the button on the top above the home and menu keys," then type :wq and hit return to write the file and quit vi.

Alternatively, try this:


cp .browser .browser.bak
cat .browser.bak | sed s/hidden=true/hidden=false/ > .browser

[Karel Jansens]

Internet Tablet - global launch (apart from most of Asia)

Dude, that is so politically incorrect it slams political correctness right up the arse from behind.

I love it... :p

[TA-t3]

All in all, the microb browser is a good move. For now though I find it too slow, sometimes there are long pauses etc. So I'm back to Opera, which is snappy in comparision. I switch to microb for those few places where microb works better (one of those is for some weird reason the web interface of my wireless router). Looking forward to upcoming versions, all hail the Nokia team!

[jmk]

MicroB is still beta. Crashes when zooming and i think it's little bit slower than Opera. But it's quick and easy to switch engines from menu. I still want Opera 9.

Hope they can fix speed problems and crashing. Release early, release often!

[alvindd]

I would like to use this add-on, but it is in the .xpi format, need it in the .deb format.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3546

When do you think that Firefox/Mozilla add-ons will work for the N800?

This new Mozilla-based browser has taken the N800 to the next level of coolness.

[albertkarel]

If I promise to take back everything I said about Nokia
yesterday, would y'all please tell me how to switch back
to the Opera browser....I am surely one of those wimps
that should have known better....I WANT MY GOOGLE MAPS!!

There was mention of being able to switch back and forth
on the "the menu"...but I'll be durned if I can find it.

THANKS....

[Rider]

That's what I have copied and saved:

Tip: To enable the "default browsing switcher menu", to be able to switch to Opera, close all instances of the web browser,
and edit /home/user/.browser and make "hidden=true"

That way you don't have to uninstall it if you need Opera.

[aflegg]

All in all, the microb browser is a good move. For now though I find it too slow, sometimes there are long pauses etc.

MicroB is still beta. Crashes when zooming and i think it's little bit slower than Opera. But it's quick and easy to switch engines from menu. I still want Opera 9.

Hope they can fix speed problems and crashing. Release early, release often!

If you find any reproducible bugs, please ensure they are raised in Bugzilla, as requested.

Consider it part of the "contract" for getting pre-release software to play with.

[adbosch]

I installed yesterday. Things looked good. But now I'm having network problems (wifi connection is OK, and my wifi-connected laptop has no problems at all over the same network). Even when changing to Opera engine, problem remains. RSS-feeds disappeared. Uninstalling the Mozilla files didn't solve the problem.
Details of connections and accounts are still OK.
Does anyone have an idesa what I should do to solve this?

[rjungmann]

Google Docs works!!


yeah, docs works, but is a little bit buggy,
but it is a real start to be usable.

spreadsheets is too buggy. i tested with a lot
of sheets, and no one loads...

what is a little bit jerky with docs is the way
it manages the windows scroll bar. in docs the
scrollbars are not managed directly by the browser
some there's a lot of interroperability with them.
when using docs, you have to use a bluetooth keyboard
to prevent the touch keyboard to popup, reducing
dramaticaly the view on the document...


i'm happy for this step forward, but it is no
completly usable in some cases...

[mplawner]

Don't know if this will work for everyone... but for those of you saddened by the loss of Google Maps, I noticed that if "Fit Width to View" is checked, the tiles weren't drawn (grey). Unchecked, it worked nicely. Anyone else found this to be true?

[Texrat]

I've found that I have to toggle that setting depending on the website.

[Mara]

I have issue that I can not toggle the browser engine (Opera/MicroB). I had to edit the .browser file manually to get first the menu option to show up... and now the option is there but does nothing... I have to manually edit the .browser file to select between the browser engines. Anybody same issues?

I did restore backup after flashing the new OS... If that is confirmed to be causing this behavior.

[captainacronym]

I'm delighted! Every site that didn't work before, now works just like on my desktop. I'm not having any problems with google maps either. Maybe it's a memory issue - I have an 8gb internal card with 128mb vram configured and google maps works just fine. :D

[TA-t3]

I have issue that I can not toggle the browser engine (Opera/MicroB). I had to edit the .browser file manually to get first the menu option to show up... and now the option is there but does nothing... I have to manually edit the .browser file to select between the browser engines. Anybody same issues?

After you switch the option you must stop all browser windows. The next one you start after that will be the other browser. (It's not that easy to see the immediate difference, but if you just start the browser (no bookmark start) then MicroB starts with a different, yellow start page)

[Milhouse]

After you switch the option you must stop all browser windows. The next one you start after that will be the other browser. (It's not that easy to see the immediate difference, but if you just start the browser (no bookmark start) then MicroB starts with a different, yellow start page)

And if you've replaced the default start page, "about:config" should only be supported by the MicroB browser.

[Mara]

After you switch the option you must stop all browser windows. The next one you start after that will be the other browser. (It's not that easy to see the immediate difference, but if you just start the browser (no bookmark start) then MicroB starts with a different, yellow start page)

I have done that: Closed the browser(s) after changing the setting. Still next time I start the Browser still the old setting is seen in the "Set Engine" tab. If I do that change in the .browser file directly then it does change the browser engine.

To test I use just www.cvs.com web site: It shows correctly with MicroB but with Opera they forward to another page telling that my browser is not supported... When I try to toggle that "Set Engine" switch, close the browser and then reopen it, the browser engine has not changed. Only the direct edit to .browser file will do...

[TA-t3]

Close all browser windows. Open an empty window. Check if it's opera or microb (you see thatfrom the default page, unless you've changed it). Select other engine. Close browser, start again. Unless you have changed the owner of .browser to root or something this should show the other browser engine is executing.

[Frankowitz]

There is another quick way to see which browser you are currently using:
The progressbar of microb goes faster from left to right than it's Opera counterpart.

[Mara]

Close all browser windows. Open an empty window. Check if it's opera or microb (you see thatfrom the default page, unless you've changed it). Select other engine. Close browser, start again. Unless you have changed the owner of .browser to root or something this should show the other browser engine is executing.

OK... I think it is actually working now. For some reason the tab under "Set Engine" always show "MicroB" highlighted, even if the actual engine is Opera. This tricked my completely... :o

I guess this is how it works for you guys too?

[PAC]

Is there something I need to do to enable the set engine tab? I dont have it on my web tab after doing the install. I'm stuck in the Mozilla engine (which seems very sluggish to me)
Thanks

[Milhouse]

Is there something I need to do to enable the set engine tab? I dont have it on my web tab after doing the install. I'm stuck in the Mozilla engine (which seems very sluggish to me)
Thanks

I suppose you could read this thread, it's only mentioned two or three times.

[PAC]

Milhouse - Thanks - my bad - i paged through the first and last few pages of posts but didnt see it - after your suggestion i went back through every page and did.

[icerabbit]

The custom google maps created with mapbuilder do not work.
Neither do maps at maps.google.com

[icerabbit]

Even though there's no toolbars nor status bar (like in firefox) I'm hoping for some add-ons like add blocking :)

[icerabbit]

Not compatible with finetune.com stations?

Was able to play a song via artist search, but nothing happens when you try one of the online radio stations.

[myrjola]

Not compatible with finetune.com stations?

Was able to play a song via artist search, but nothing happens when you try one of the online radio stations.

Seems to be working for me, tried couple of different stations and artist search.
Thx for the link btw, didn't know about finetune.com before.

--
my

[icerabbit]

You're welcome. Only learned about it a short while ago myself.

Really strange.

I wish it would work for me as well, but I can't get it to play in either MicroB or Opera mode. When I click through on a station [play] on the right side of the screen ... it doesn't become active in the top left corner of the screen. Instead it refreshes the right column, jumping to the top of the stations windows.

And ... again, clicking on the artists listed on the let works? So it is not a codec issue.

[maxilogan]

My 2€c after having played with it for a while.

First of all: works far better than opera when posting with blogger. Yesterday I posted something and finally being able to select the font type, and the whole functions of the blogger interface.

Still a bit slow, sometimes unresponsive until it has finished the page loading, but very fast when going back to previous (cached) page.
Also noticed that it has the same behaviour like the desktop version, so that if you press the backspace key it sometimes goes back to previous page. Very annoying when you are writing something ("Are you sure you want to go back and lose all your modifications?"). Doesn't appear to always do it, sometimes the text window is in focus, you press bksp and it works but then it loses the focus and the page goes back.

[basco]

I installed it last night and it was my first app since getting it yesterday. I am not as picky as far a as what a browser can do. I wanted it for internet banking and it worked. I had a treo for two years and could not do it. Great machine. :D

[curiousj]

Tip: To enable the "default browsing switcher menu", to be able to switch to Opera, close all instances of the web browser, and edit /home/user/.browser and make "hidden=true"

That way you don't have to uninstall it if you need Opera.

Can someone setup by step this. I'm new to linux & the n800.

I have x terminal. Start there. :)

[dtrask]

Can someone setup by step this. I'm new to linux & the n800.

I have x terminal. Start there. :)

Easy...

First using Application Manager...install leafpad

then in xterminal type

leafpad /home/user/.browser

from there on in it's just like using a word processor.

[curiousj]

Easy...

First using Application Manager...install leafpad

then in xterminal type

leafpad /home/user/.browser

from there on in it's just like using a word processor.

Perfect. :)

Its already set to =true.

Now I have the engine choice but when I select Opera, close the browser, and reopen it MicroB is still selected. Anyone having the same problem?

And another possible quirk that i noticed is the browser wouldn't obey my disabled Open Thumb pad with Rocker option. I would click up and down the page element and it would open the small keyboard when it ran into a textbox. I use the past tense because it doesn't do it anymore. :confused:

[Jupex]

Dunno If this bug has been files or not, but here goes:

I surf to www.internettablettalk.com and see topics on front page. I pick something like "what's the next gen tablet like" I can read it just fine untill I see a picture embedded in the post. Just like that mozilla crashes.

[icerabbit]

Try to bookmark money.cnn.com and the whole unit crashes. Nothing responded. No tap response. No button response. Have hard reset and tried it three times.

Is there some ctrl+alt+del to close the app that hangs?

[icerabbit]

Tried it again. No go. I figured I would bypass the bookmark saving issue, by saving another site, then edit that bookmark. Which works. Only the browser crashed viewing the page. It chokes loading some things 56/63. Can't stop it (x) doesn't work. And will crash.

So maybe the bookmarking issue is related to the browser compatibility?? Where I view the page and try to bookmark it ... but in the mean time it crashes on the page.

[glory]

I have a quick question. Does the new browser (because it has the Flash 9 pulgin) support flash streaming videos efficiently?

[Milhouse]

I have a quick question. Does the new browser (because it has the Flash 9 pulgin) support flash streaming videos efficiently?

It's a plugin, so the performance with the new Mozilla-based browser is pretty much identical to that with Opera.

[ph1asco]

i'm trying to install the browser but it needs microb-engine (>=1.0.3-12)

i however have microb-engine v1.0.3-5..

how do i upgrade this lib?

[gLobster]

I think that need to waite same time

[zerojay]

i'm trying to install the browser but it needs microb-engine (>=1.0.3-12)

i however have microb-engine v1.0.3-5..

how do i upgrade this lib?

Sounds like an update is coming soon.

[ph1asco]

Sounds like an update is coming soon.

ah.. how have people been able to install it then?

[zerojay]

ah.. how have people been able to install it then?

Click on the install link.. it should work fine. Perhaps it was edited for the update and reverted quickly.

In any case, timeless was saying that they're going to try pushing a revision of microb this week. What you saw combined with what looks like a How to Upgrade section that I don't remember seeing before and we should be seeing an update shortly. :D

[heavyt]

Click on the install link.. it should work fine. Perhaps it was edited for the update and reverted quickly.

In any case, timeless was saying that they're going to try pushing a revision of microb this week. What you saw combined with what looks like a How to Upgrade section that I don't remember seeing before and we should be seeing an update shortly. :D Clicking on that install link gave me the same error this morning. I hope your assumption is right.

[iball]

Odd. I find the "microb-browser" update in app manager but it's telling me:
"Update available but not installable"

Problems tab shows the following app packages missing:
microb-engine (>=1.0.3-12)
libpcap0.8 (>=0.9.3-1)
ncurses-base

I go into red pill mode and get the same thing.
WTF?

[zerojay]

Like I said, the update isn't ready yet but soon. I don't see the update you see, apparently.

[iball]

I'm curious why a web browser engine needs libpcap?

[TA-t3]

Update seems to be ready (complete) now.

[Milhouse]

Did the upgrade, seems OK so far. Not noticed any new problems or fixes yet (couple of minutes testing).

[Rocketman]

Updated and it is still exhibiting the same buggy keyboard behavior and crashing to desktop when trying to instantiate a lot of flash objects. Trying to browse with Flash enabled is like play Russian Roulette with very few bullets missing.

[zerojay]

Updated and it is still exhibiting the same buggy keyboard behavior and crashing to desktop when trying to instantiate a lot of flash objects. Trying to browse with Flash enabled is like play Russian Roulette with very few bullets missing.

I'm going to cobble together a basic changelog in a little while. Backspace while typing in a text entry field no longer makes the browser go back a page.

Never seen a problem with flash.

[Rocketman]

Try going to escapepod.org with flash enabled and then scrolling down the page once loaded so that a flash object scrolls onto the screen. Browser instantly disappears, leaving only a "Internal error. Application 'Web' closed." error. That site exhibits that behavious 100% of the time with flash enabled and 0% when disabled.

[zerojay]

Yeah, you're right. I was able to reproduce the problem. Have you filed a bug about it yet?

[zerojay]

I'm curious why a web browser engine needs libpcap?

It doesn't. It just so happens that an update for libpcap was pushed.

[Mahaloha]

Try going to escapepod.org with flash enabled and then scrolling down the page once loaded so that a flash object scrolls onto the screen. Browser instantly disappears, leaving only a "Internal error. Application 'Web' closed." error. That site exhibits that behavious 100% of the time with flash enabled and 0% when disabled.

Tried going to the site and it loads without any problem. Tried scrolling with while a flash object is playing and no browser crash.

[zerojay]

I did the same thing as well, but I noticed that it was when I had flash disabled by default and then enabled it on the page. Otherwise, it's a 100% reproducable crash over here.

[rcadden]

I'm also not able to install the update.

**Edit** appears as though I had deleted the repos. along the way. Woops. Updated and running, though not seeing much of a difference.

[iball]

It doesn't. It just so happens that an update for libpcap was pushed.

Then why was the broken micro-b update REQUIRING it?

Just upgraded now...

EDIT: And it looks like they haven't fixed anything?

Keyboard STILL pops up when trying to scroll using microb and the keyboard still won't stay up when you actually need it.
I think this was more just a lib update/refresh than anything else.
Not even a changelog posted on the microb website, much less any other news about the update directly from the devs themselves in here.

[zerojay]

Then why was the broken micro-b update REQUIRING it?


You answered your own question. It's entirely possible that they use it for debugging purposes.

[iball]

You answered your own question. It's entirely possible that they use it for debugging purposes.

Odd. I've never heard of debugging a web browser via packet capture before, a webserver yes but a browser no.
I'm going to chalk the whole thing up to a fat-finger mistake.

[wiltonman]

i'm seeing how to bring up "set engine" to switch between the 2 browsers...."hidden=true"....BUT not the first step to find .browser file....doing a search of files on my N800 yields no results...thanks in advance for anyone who can make it clear.

[zerojay]

I believe that's been posted several times in this thread already.

[Toontje]

Cannot download the update. My Application Manager log tells me:

Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/bora/free/m/microb-engine/microb-engine_1.0.3-12_armel.deb: Error reading from server. Remote end closed connection.

Should i just keep trying??

[iball]

Cannot download the update. My Application Manager log tells me:

Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/bora/free/m/microb-engine/microb-engine_1.0.3-12_armel.deb: Error reading from server. Remote end closed connection.

Should i just keep trying??

I've had that EXACT same error before, only with a different .deb file, but now it's working fine.
Seems something is wrong on the server end with that repository for a few people?
I think there was a hack/fix for that, but I can't remember what it was...search aorund in here.

As far as the mssing keyboard goes, looks like they finally got around to showing that bug to an "engineer" with a hope for a fix "tomorrow".
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1682

[zerojay]

They fixed bugs #1696, #1706, #1707 and #1720.

[Milhouse]

They fixed bugs #1696, #1706, #1707 and #1720.

Browser bugs? Actually fixed?! What is this, some kind of voodoo?!

:D

[rcadden]

Lol. Oh, they fixed THOSE bugs. Great, thanks!

Any chance we could get a link or explanation as to what those bugs might be, and what other (major) bugs are left crawling around?

[zerojay]

Lol. Oh, they fixed THOSE bugs. Great, thanks!

Any chance we could get a link or explanation as to what those bugs might be, and what other (major) bugs are left crawling around?

Bugzilla is your friend.

[Milhouse]

https://bugs.maemo.org/

[Toontje]

I think there was a hack/fix for that, but I can't remember what it was...search aorund in here. ]

Well, i did a search but didn't find anything. If you remember what you did to fix it, please post it here.

Edit: I disabled all the repositories except the Nokia ones and the Maemo Extras where MicroBR needs to come from.
Installed without any problems.
I still don't understand the error message though...

Ton.

[basco]

They said they fixed the backspace bug which is a plus. I haven't tested that yet. But it seems to be more stable and hasn't crashed yet.

[iball]

Looks like the "engineer" is on the case with the soft-keyboard popup bug:

well, at least it's something. i can confirm that behavior. we'll see if it
actually helps

browser_toolbar_set_common_view
hildon_gtk_im_context_hide(...);

browser_toolbar_hide
hildon_gtk_im_context_hide(...);

on my quest, browser_toolbar_grab_focus_handler seems to be unreachable code
(commented out). browser_controller_hide_all is also unused.

engine_load_progress
if ((!self->toolbar->_is_vkb) || (!GTK_IS_EDITABLE(focus_widget)))

seems fairly suspicious, i wonder if that should be &&.

but, i think the problem is:
engine_window_focused
browser_toolbar_set_common_view(self->toolbar, FALSE);
browser_toolbar_hide(self->toolbar);

so first it tries not hiding it, and then it basically unconditionally hides
it.

Anyway, these are just ramblings of a sleepless engineer. And yes, I know the
sources aren't reachable in svn. I'm sorry, we're working on it.

Bug #1682 (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1682)

UPDATE: They are also working on bug #1672 (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1672), the mysterious keyboard-popping-up-when-scrolling-if-there-is-a-text-entry-block-on-the-web-page bug.
Looks like another microb update may be pushed out on Friday to address those two bugs.

[zerojay]

Looks like another microb update may be pushed out on Friday to address those two bugs.

Where did you get this info from?

[steve63]

Cannot download the update. My Application Manager log tells me:

Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/bora/free/m/microb-engine/microb-engine_1.0.3-12_armel.deb: Error reading from server. Remote end closed connection.

Should i just keep trying??

Before I can download the new browser I need to upgrade to the latest N800 OS but I'm getting the message "No application to open it with"

Anyone help?

Thanks
Steve

[zerojay]

Try going to escapepod.org with flash enabled and then scrolling down the page once loaded so that a flash object scrolls onto the screen. Browser instantly disappears, leaving only a "Internal error. Application 'Web' closed." error. That site exhibits that behavious 100% of the time with flash enabled and 0% when disabled.

I've noticed you talking with timeless about this bug on IRC a little while ago. I wanted to tell you that I did NOT restore a backup after reflashing.

[iball]

Where did you get this info from?

My bad, I wasn't reading the actual DATE on the comment in the bug (19 JUL 07).
Boy, don't I feel like a dumbass now. ;)
So...looks like there WON'T be an update this Friday.
But with those two being two of the more noticeable bugs, I hope they push one out soon with them squashed.
You have to admit though, this type of open beta testing is helping them find bugs a hell of a lot faster than internal testing usually does.

[tfinnan]

I should have probably checked this before I installed it, but does anyone know what the improvements are included in the update to the Mozilla browser? I have seen it in my update manager for a few days now, but today it finally installed. I don't see any real changes in the UI, but maybe there is something that I have missed? Any input would be appreciated.

[zerojay]

I should have probably checked this before I installed it, but does anyone know what the improvements are included in the update to the Mozilla browser? I have seen it in my update manager for a few days now, but today it finally installed. I don't see any real changes in the UI, but maybe there is something that I have missed? Any input would be appreciated.

Go back a page or two where I list the bugs that were fixed.

[Milhouse]

Detailed changelog for the recent update here (http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/4/). :)

[iball]

Woo-hoo, they fixed my bugs.

[Texrat]

I don't see mine addressed (having to click inside text boxes twice to get virtual keyboard to come up). Ah well. It's still beta! And I'm glad anyway to see updates. :)

[mwiktowy]

They said they fixed the backspace bug which is a plus. I haven't tested that yet. But it seems to be more stable and hasn't crashed yet.

I can confirm that this bug is fixed (at least for GMail). I am pretty happy with this update's performance too. It works really well so far.

I am also happy that the first beta release wasn't the only one. Nokia seems to be finally "getting it" with respect to open source development and the "release early, release often" methodology.

Kudos to the MicroB and RTComm (since they had another beta release that improved things a lot too) teams!

[basco]

Yea, it a good fix. It did crash once, I dont know why I think it was zooming in but the fix list shows that it was fixed so it could be something else. But crashing once in a few days is acceptable to me compared to what it was doing.

[mobiledivide]

Definitely seems to be operating better, I have been using the MicroB browser exclusively (instead of Opera and switching engines) and I think this is really good. Only had one crash since the update compared to a crash every browsing session before.

[jmk]

Ari Jaaksi says: "The Mozilla-based browser sometimes seems slower than Opera, but it is actually processing all of the AJAX that Opera just throws away." (http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9264384554.html)

Is that AJAX claim true? In general Microdb is still much slower than Opera. I hope they don't drop support for Opera.

And that is annoying when you zoom in Microdb page view jumps to top of the page.

[zerojay]

Yes, it processes AJAX, however I think it's still slightly on the slow side because it's still in beta. I wouldn't be surprised if they do drop Opera completely (which is the whole point of Microb - to replace it). Having an open source browser that's up to date is far better than having a browser from 2005 (Opera 8.5) that can't handle a lot of stuff that today's internet needs.

[romaxa]

I still want Opera 9.



Do you really think what Opera 9 is much faster than MicroB? ;)
try to compare Opera 9 and Opera 8.5 on desktop...

[romaxa]

Thanks to all for feedback, bug reports, comments... ;)

Very soon I will made MicroB working on 770 distribution... (small part already available on gregale-extras microb-engine,microb-refui, libgtkmozembed)....

Also later I will try to organize place about tweaking MicroB ;).
Ex: How to enable back gmail chats e.t.c ...

[popeye]

Trying to find out if this works on the 770? Anyone know? Appreciated.

[Milhouse]

The clue is in the title of the thread. :)

Maybe it will become available for the 770 when (if) a new version of OS 2007HE is released.

[rcadden]

Mine was just updated again today.

[popeye]

The clue is in the title of the thread. :)

Maybe it will become available for the 770 when (if) a new version of OS 2007HE is released.

Appreciate the reply and answer! Thanks. Where can I find out about this new OS for the 770? Again, thanks.

[Milhouse]

Appreciate the reply and answer! Thanks. Where can I find out about this new OS for the 770? Again, thanks.

There are a couple of threads in this forum discussing OS 2007HE (aka OS 2007 on 770).

[mwiktowy]

I can confirm that this bug is fixed (at least for GMail).

The "backspace = history back" bug has returned in yesterday's microb update :[

[basco]

The latest update that just came out, I installed it and not when i hit the search button the keyboard does not come up.

[thaibill]

Thanks to all for feedback, bug reports, comments... ;)

Very soon I will made MicroB working on 770 distribution... (small part already available on gregale-extras microb-engine,microb-refui, libgtkmozembed)....

Also later I will try to organize place about tweaking MicroB ;).
Ex: How to enable back gmail chats e.t.c ...

Are you referring to OS2006 or OS2007HE for the 770?

Bill

[romaxa]

>Are you referring to OS2006 or OS2007HE for the 770?

os2006, second update

[gisborne]

How do I update?

My package manager doesn't show any new packages to install. And all these posts and lists of fixes and whatnot don't do anything so simple and straightforward as *link to the damn thing* muttermuttermutter.

I tried going to the site and tapping the install link, and it told me it was already installed.

[Texrat]

The latest update that just came out, I installed it and not when i hit the search button the keyboard does not come up.

Press it twice.

[basco]

Press it twice.


I know that problem, now it just does not work at all. A temp fix is to hit the center button and it brings up the thumb pad.

[dont]

>Are you referring to OS2006 or OS2007HE for the 770?

os2006, second update

I guess you are talking about the news item in:

http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/

?

I just tried the install on my new N770 and got the following error:

Unable to install microb-browser
Packages missing:
libxt6 | xlibs > 4.1.0

Any advice on fixing this?

Maybe I don't have the second update, but the Nokia site tells me that I have the latest version: "OS 2006 edition v. 3.2006.49-2"

TIA Don.

[dont]

I just tried the install on my new N770 and got the following error:

Unable to install microb-browser
Packages missing:
libxt6 | xlibs > 4.1.0


I found the answer to this in the third posting in this thread - which would be a much more appropriate place to discuss microb on the 770:

http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9125

Don.

[TA-t3]

I'm still sticking to Opera, even after the latest MicroB updates. The reason is that in Opera I can use the pager (aka the D-pad) to page up and down, in MicroB I must use the scrollbar. That is simply too painful. In opera I could just set Down/Up to Page Down/Page up in .opera/input.ini, until there's an equally simple configuration (or default) for MicroB I don't want to switch.

[zerojay]

I'm still sticking to Opera, even after the latest MicroB updates. The reason is that in Opera I can use the pager (aka the D-pad) to page up and down, in MicroB I must use the scrollbar. That is simply too painful. In opera I could just set Down/Up to Page Down/Page up in .opera/input.ini, until there's an equally simple configuration (or default) for MicroB I don't want to switch.

Is holding the pad for a second longer really that hard?