Unlocking the N9

[chrisp7]

Is it possible to unlock the N9? (ie sim restriction/tied to a network?). Ive been googling, it seems information is pretty sparse..

[Estel]

Say hello to Aegis Security Platform. Or, sell this crap and go buy N900. Sorry, just being honest

Anyway, answering Your question - you won't be able, until custom kernel - with Aegis cut off - pop-up. IF it's going to pop up...

[jalyst]

Anyway, answering Your question - you won't be able, until custom kernel - with Aegis cut off - pop-up. IF it's going to pop up...

Actually, custom kernel is now feasible, as AEGIS works in open-mode
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4575&page=8
There's still some things that are broken...
But it's a far cry from where thing where originally, if you read that entire thread.

[Estel]

It's true, but You've forgotten to mention, that it breaks warranty - no matter if You're gonna get issue with USB port or screen, it's void, cause You've flashed custom kernel. Which, of course, was not the case in N900.

It seems, that Nokians found solution to sell 500-600$ phone without warranty. And, the funniest thing, is that they actually find many idi... unwise people, agreeing on this ;)

/Estel

[jalyst]

AFAIK, it hasn't yet been determined if there's a write-once hw flag.
If there is there'll be no going back w/o a service center knowing that warranty was voided.
But if there isn't, go back to stock image, & they'll be none-the-wiser.

[Estel]

I see we started to talk about same thing in two topics, eh?

Write-once HW flag was present in N900, where flashing kernel did not void the warranty. Do you really believe, that they've omitted such a things in N9, where it void warranty?

Nokia executives may be idiots, but they engineers are not, usually.

[jalyst]

I see we started to talk about same thing in two topics, eh?
<SNIP>.

What are you going on about?
I was simply updating the other user in this thread.
As what you're claiming as the "absolute truth".
Many not yet in-fact be the truth.
Is there a problem with that?

[Estel]

You've misunderstood me - by "we', I mean "we" without irony - You and me. I'm just pointing out fact, that exactly the same posts (in terms of meritum) started to appear in two threads.

It's nothing wrong with that, still it seems little counter-productive to me. It's not better to just paste link to first thread, here, without doubling the same content?

On other topic, I totally agree that it may not be a truth (hardware write-only part). Still, I think it's most unlikely scenario, just like thinking that tomorrow everyone on the world will be beautiful and rich.


Peace,

/Estel

[jalyst]

point taken.

[hawaii]

What the hell does this have to do with the OP's question? This has nothing to do with Aegis. Lock state is generally stored somewhere on or near to the ROM baseband chip. There is no real way to reliably write lock state on the N900, it's going to be even more unlikely on the N9.

I don't see why the N9 wouldn't be capable of being SIM unlocked via code, if indeed operators decide to lock it.

N900 was done via #PW+CODE+1# as far as I know. The better option is to simply buy it unlocked :D

[jalyst]

LOL I just realized that now.
I only read the 2nd post...
Looks like Estel got the ball rolling by not understanding the OP.
And I kept it going, sorry OP.

[chrisp7]

What the hell does this have to do with the OP's question? This has nothing to do with Aegis. Lock state is generally stored somewhere on or near to the ROM baseband chip. There is no real way to reliably write lock state on the N900, it's going to be even more unlikely on the N9.

I don't see why the N9 wouldn't be capable of being SIM unlocked via code, if indeed operators decide to lock it.

N900 was done via #PW+CODE+1# as far as I know. The better option is to simply buy it unlocked :D

Thanks:)
The reason why I asked was because (obviously I guess) its cheaper to buy locked to a network and wondered how hard it was to unlock. Seems like its entirely dependent on the operators? ie there is no software method to unlock at the moment.

[erendorn]

Well, it is related to the OP, as there are two kinds of lock:
- sim-lock: you can't use sim from other operator
- firmware lock: you can't use firmware that was not modified by your operator

The second is definitely aegis related, and may be of some concern for the OP (knowingly or not).

[hawaii]

Well, it is related to the OP, as there are two kinds of lock:
- sim-lock: you can't use sim from other operator
- firmware lock: you can't use firmware that was not modified by your operator

The second is definitely aegis related, and may be of some concern for the OP (knowingly or not).

Is it possible to unlock the N9? (ie sim restriction/tied to a network?).

Emphasis added. It is not remotely relevant to the original question in any fashion.

[erendorn]

Emphasis added. It is not remotely relevant to the original question in any fashion.

I think this refers to "operator lock" versus "screen lock", or "personnal pin lock", or any other "lock" relevant to the phone, and not "operator sim lock" vs "operator firmware lock". But maybe I'm mistaken. Also, emphasis added on "knowingly or not" ;)

[hawaii]

What are you on about?

He said, SIM restriction/tied to a network. This means the ability to put in a SIM card from a network, not owned by the operator.

There is no other way to rephrase his questions to suit discussion of Aegis, open mode or any firmware-related restrictions.

You are mistaken.

[buurmas]

You are mistaken.
In any event, I think the OP's question is answered, which is probably the thing of greatest importance here. :p

[hawaii]

In any event, I think the OP's question is answered, which is probably the thing of greatest importance here. :p

How dare you.

[jalyst]

I think this refers to "operator lock" versus "screen lock", or "personnal pin lock", or any other "lock" relevant to the phone, and not "operator sim lock" vs "operator firmware lock". But maybe I'm mistaken. Also, emphasis added on "knowingly or not" ;)

Yeah, I noticed the "knowingly or not", & could see what you were getting at :)
But who cares, now he has 2 streams of important info/facts that he probably knew nothing about.
And he didn't have to read/start other threads to attain one of them, all the better ;)

[erendorn]

What are you on about?

He said, SIM restriction/tied to a network. This means the ability to put in a SIM card from a network, not owned by the operator.

There is no other way to rephrase his questions to suit discussion of Aegis, open mode or any firmware-related restrictions.

You are mistaken.

- "/" in usual language means "or" (neither "xor" nor "and")
- you cannot be tied to a "network" unless your phone only does one frequency. I freely assumed that he meant "tied to a network operator" which contains sim and firmware lock. It may well mean "specifically tied to use the phone only on the networks owned by my operator", which then does not contains firmware lock.

two conclusions here:
- Maybe I'm mistaken, but you can't assess it from the OP only
- I'm wasting my time, and yours (and anybody reading that: sorry), but you quoted xkcd first ;)

[hawaii]

Firmware locks do not tie you to a network operator. A SIM lock does.

You can take any software branded handset, unlock the baseband SIM state, and use it on another network -- with software branding still intact.

I actually have no idea what you are referring to when you say 'firmware lock' since nothing really exists, per se. You're talking about the ability to use unbranded firmware without carrier/operator additions, restrictions and software? That's branding.

We've probably beating this horse into a meatloaf, I think we're all basically saying the same thing, but some of us (me) are just being jerks about the semantics :D

[misterc]

[...]
two conclusions here:
- Maybe I'm mistaken, but you can't assess it from the OP only
- I'm wasting my time, and yours (and anybody reading that: sorry), but you quoted xkcd first ;)

:D

haven't cared to come on maemo.org for some time (got here because had a link to TMO in my MeeGo news...) but it was funny to follow your discussion(s)
and instructive :cool:

even though N9 / N950 are out simply because they don't have a mSDHC :(
don't want to end up with 64GB worth of data stuck on a dead device that is going to be reformatted by NokNok :mad:
and according to Murphy's law, that happens after a hell of a week you didn't get any chance to do a backup, have all the pics of the last family outing still only on it et cetera et cetera et cetera :confused:

nothing beats a 32GB class 10 mSDHC on a N900 as backup media :D

just because rotten iPotatos introduced that idiocy don't mean it has to become a standard, does it, now? :mad:

at least you got some potato's with your meatloaf ¦-)))