lumia 800 vs nokia n9

[asadkhan1988]

i have been watching some lumia 800 videos and i am close to purchasing

anybody have any experience with?

[MINKIN2]

Played with one in a shop once... The browser is quick, loaded swipe.nokia.com nicely and then left it ;)

[Bernard]

i have been watching some lumia 800 videos and i am close to purchasing

anybody have any experience with?

I think the devices look beautiful. I love the Magenta and Cyan colors and the curved screen. Really beautiful.
The actual screen of the Lumia 800 is a bit small, very significantly smaller than the N9 screen. Also the form factor with the curved screen very much improves the swipe experience of the N9, something you can't take advantage of with Windows Phone since it doesn't use these kind of gestures.

but why ask this on a Maemo forum? Just because it is a Nokia device?
I think you will find a lot more information on Windows Phone forums (wherever these might be).

Most people here will probably prefer the N9 because it is much more similar to the N900 (and this is a Maemo forum after all).

[vi_]

Neither, they both suck balls.

[shnigi]

I have n900 and yesterday i won lumia 800 in a contest. I have tried lumia now for few hous and all i can say: its faster and smoother than n900, but not better for me.

What sucks in lumia 800 is:
-no skype
-no wifi/usb tethering
-no text search in mp3 player
-calculator doesnt have "memory" or list to show
-nokia navigator is bad. I prefer sygic mobile maps 10 in n900
-still no grooveshark app
-no flash
-no fm sender or what the hell it is...
-too low space, only 13gb for pics and music
-no mass memory mode
-no microsd card slot
-no real multitasking
-only micro simcard is accepted
and the list goes on...

Lumia is good for basic use but for me n900 is way better. Even though i hate the slow and unresponsive n900.

[Bernard]

Neither, they both suck balls.

For some things, yes they do. But so does the N900, sucks in a lot of ways :-)
But all three devices also do a lot of stuff really well. Check if the device you consider buying does the things you want the device to do well. If you do, you will love your device. :)

[marxian]

N900 > Lumia 800 > N9

Very sad. The N9 would have been great if Nokia had produced a worthy successor to the N900 instead of yet another shiny smartphone. The only problem I have with the Lumia (from a shiny smartphone perspective) is this Zune crap. I want mass storage mode. I don't want to boot into Windoze just to transfer some media files.

[ajalkane]

i have been watching some lumia 800 videos and i am close to purchasing

anybody have any experience with?

It's fast and smooth. But my Lumia 800 is sitting in a box after a couple of weeks of use, and I'm continuing using N950 instead. That should tell enough of my opinion.

[mariusmssj]

i was considering to get the Lumia 800 but after i tried it's keyboard it was clear i had to avoid it. After using n9 no other keyboard comes close

[tissot]

I can fully recommend Lumia 800 after the newest update that fixed the battery life and using it now for almost a month.
Though i have hard time putting it against N9. N9 is awesome on it's own way, but if you are looking for a device that has future software wise, get Lumia 800.

N9 has better multitasking and better concept of UI. Lumia 800 has about the smoothest UI i have used, only comparable being iOS running on iPad 2. Just like iOS the phone wont get slow as you pile up the software. Lumia 800 has more quality software and rapidly growing marketplace. So far i have not needed to hack anything to get Lumia 800 working.
Keyboard on both i consider to be great. N9 has excellent keyboard revolving around haptics and Lumia 800 just seems to always recognize what button you are pushing, but lacks the haptics.
Using ipod touch and ipad 2 for long time i have come accustomed to not use haptics on TS keyboards so your opinion might be very different.

N9 has better sound quality and even after the update slightly better battery life.

[biatch0]

Was at the Malaysian preview for the Lumia 800... only things that really stood out for me was the physical camera button and better CPU (at the cost of RAM). That said, I'm perfectly happy with my N9 and wouldn't trade it for the Lumia (unless Nokia announces Harmattan can be flashed onto the Lumia).

[qorax]

I'll never trade my N9 for a Lumia800

Let me give u [my]10 reasons why…

1. World-Phone:
N9 is Pentaband, works with all networks, everywhere. I love it on the AWS band – Wind & Mobilicity – here [Canada] significantly reducing my monthly plan costs by 75% against the others. This is definitely N9′s biggest +point.

2. Screen Size:
Though not much, yet why try lesser? The N9 is 3.9″ against L-800′s 3.7″. And yes, the N9 has a tad better resolution – if that means anything.

3. The Awesome Home-screen:
One look at the N9′s home-screen [Apps Screen if u may] will keep u gaping… Man, didn’t they do a magic here? The icons DO REALLY FLOAT ! It’s by far the best looking, colorful, Xtal-clear picturesque view one could ever get on their home-screens! That screen really looks like a hi-res picture… not a collection of clickable icon on a screen. This is a gorgeous statement! Comparing it to the L-800′s ’tiles’ is not worthwhile.

4. Front-Facing Camera:
N9 has… L-800 doesn’t. Period.
Oh yes, it works amazingly with PR1.2 !

5. NFC:
N9 rocks with NFC… try ‘touching’ it with other NFC enabled devices & u’d know… did anyone check-out the Nokia Play 360? L-800, dumb, dumb, dumb…

6. Bigger Storage:
N9 gives me the option to chose 64Gb… L-800 is stuck with 16Gb. That both do not have a micro-SD slot, is a reason to SWU.

6. Battery-Life:
Contrary to public opinion, I do get a day’s juice with my beloved N9. Both devices encasing the same Li-Ion cell I don’t know why the N9 yet provides a better power cycle.

7. Weight:
Uh yes, the N9 is lighter than the L800. 135g Vs. 142g makes a difference for sure.

8. RAM:
The N9 sports a 1Gb RAM. Compare that to the halved 518Mb of L-800… u’d understand.

9. Simplistic but innovative UI:
U bet. It actually is “All it takes is a swipe”… fantastic. Just three screens & the world comes out to our fingertips. And whoever said that the screensaver Clock of N9 isn’t important?

10. Collector’s Item:
Thanx to Eflop denouncing the MeeGo-Harmattan, my N9 is a unique, mostly unavailable product… makes me one of the few owners of this brilliant platform. “MeeGo is dead”! – is that a negation? – Nope, works fine with me… well with many actually.

MeeGo Vs. Mango — Sir, I’d take/stick with my Meego anyday.

Qorax
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Originally posted here: http://mynokiablog.com/2012/01/19/nokia-n9-user-review-of-the-nokia-lumia-800-lumia-800-is-the-only-phone-id-trade-my-n9-for/

[-Tyler-]

totally agree with Corax, and i include the most important factor, in N9 you have LINUX, no other phone in the market (besides N900) is running linux, if you love linux you don't have any other option, thas is the reason i have two N900 and one N9, they are LINUX, with that money i could buy a android phone twice potent and with better screen but NO. With linux you can run multiple OS in your system, have access to the huge number of debian ARM packages, and a terminal to hack your device to do with it whaterver you dream for.

(text written from harmattan open mode :D )

[Arie]

This picture describes my feelings

[DarkSkies]

Why do we even compare both devices on a forum like this? Clearly Lumia is meant for different demographic. It's a smart and fast phone for 'regular' use. Surprisingly, WP is very fast. From what I've noticed Lumia 800 functions quicker than Android on a Tegra 3 quad-core tablet. No wonders there, really. Android can get really bloated. All these Nvidia power wasted... Anyway, Lumia is an advanced smartphone for a less demanding user meant to f*ck with iPhones. N9 is clearly meant for something else, as the existence of this portal about all the tinkering proves, for example.

[asadkhan1988]

i have a n9 guys, i just am intrigued by lumia 800 and wp7.5

voice commands look really awesome and the os looks innovative

i do not think one can go wrong with trying each

[don_falcone]

...you can.

[jahberre]

i'm happy with my n9, after my n900. :)

[BlackWindEXE]

Go with whatever works for you. Apparently social networking thrives on WP which is great if that's what you want. It's fluid, it works great, no lag, etc etc. Try it out and maybe it will fit your needs. It works well with lower powered hardware because the OS is designed to function well on it.

With that said, you won't catch me buying one. The N9 fits my needs and that's what I will be buying.

[Kangal]

I actually want Nokia to succeed with WindowsPhone.

History teaches us Microsoft is the lesser of evils (at least by Apple's comparison), and Google even lesser.

Still, if WP begins to dominate it will be better for the future because it would slow down Android domination. A world where only one OS rules them all is quite frankly plagued with issues, i commend Windows 7 for doing such a good job so far.

Having Android 45%, iOS 30%, WP 20%, Other 5% is more ideal than Android 79%, iOS 20%, Other 1%.

[bmstrong]

Why one or the other? I'll have my N9 and a Lumia 900, thank you very much.

[isfr21]

4. Front-Facing Camera:
N9 has… L-800 doesn’t. Period.
Oh yes, it works amazingly with PR1.2 !

Wait...The FFC works? How?? Is it implemented in camera-ui?

[ibrakalifa]

im waiting for n9, but on a lower price, its kinda overpriced here in indonesia, :sad

[Kangal]

If I could purchase the N9 for $300 I would.

But a penny more I'm not interested. Because that's its true value.
I would just play around with it but it wont replace my n900 or my daily driver (SG NOTE). In fact, the NOTE has replaced the n900 for many things, I see myself leaving it on my desk more often than not --its about to collect dust!

*Just hope I can apply the UnbrickableMod and find the drivers source for the NOTE, I would have a crack at porting Nemo/openSUSE to it*

[asadkhan1988]

bmstrong,

i, too, will have each

lumia 900, from what i am told, is some time from being available.

there are rumors of a 910, which has a 12 mp cam, coming before 900, although legitimacy of the rumor has been questioned.

i wanted to try a lumia and 800 should suffice until newer model is available

[bmstrong]

bmstrong,

i, too, will have each

lumia 900, from what i am told, is some time from being available.

there are rumors of a 910, which has a 12 mp cam, coming before 900, although legitimacy of the rumor has been questioned.

i wanted to try a lumia and 800 should suffice until newer model is available

The 900 launches in March over here. I agree on the 800 now. Why not wait for the larger screen, FFC and camera on the 900/910? But I will always hang onto my N9. Open source is too valuable to me.

[somedude]

I'll never trade my N9 for a Lumia800

4. Front-Facing Camera:
N9 has… L-800 doesn’t. Period.
Oh yes, it works amazingly with PR1.2 !

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Originally posted here: http://mynokiablog.com/2012/01/19/nokia-n9-user-review-of-the-nokia-lumia-800-lumia-800-is-the-only-phone-id-trade-my-n9-for/

Mind explaining that in detail? where exactly does it work in practical manner?

[eerde]

Front-Facing Camera works with srd party software, like simple mirror.
PR 1.2 will bring Skype with ffc.

[Zoxir]

I actually want Nokia to succeed with WindowsPhone.

History teaches us Microsoft is the lesser of evils (at least by Apple's comparison), and Google even lesser.

Still, if WP begins to dominate it will be better for the future because it would slow down Android domination. A world where only one OS rules them all is quite frankly plagued with issues, i commend Windows 7 for doing such a good job so far.

Having Android 45%, iOS 30%, WP 20%, Other 5% is more ideal than Android 79%, iOS 20%, Other 1%.
In what universe is ms lesser evil than apple or any other company? We're talking about the company that send guides to has broken ALL competition laws known to men. Apple doesn't care about their share as long as they make money MS wants to wipe out all competition.

[bmstrong]

In what universe is ms lesser evil than apple or any other company? We're talking about the company that send guides to has broken ALL competition laws known to men. Apple doesn't care about their share as long as they make money MS wants to wipe out all competition.

Not trying to pick a fight but wasn't that more of Bill's direction and vision of Microsoft more than Balmer? I tend to think of them, now, as second place nannies and humble pie.

(I agree that any for profit company is only interested in themselves and by default "evil".)

[SamGan]

Not trying to pick a fight but wasn't that more of Bill's direction and vision of Microsoft more than Balmer? I tend to think of them, now, as second place nannies and humble pie.

(I agree that any for profit company is only interested in themselves and by default "evil".)

As an example of how MS wiped out competition unfairly it used to insist (back in the days when there was still competition) that any manufacturer who wants to package its OS (Windows or MSDOS) drop other competing OS.

I doubt Microsoft's culture of suppressing competition has changed whether Bill or Balmer is in charge. Look at poor Nokia. It has to drop all other platforms and focus on WP7 although it makes sense for Nokia to be multiplatform.

I shudder to think what will happen if MS gets to dominate smartphones OS. We'll probably be forced to pay for upgrades to a bloated, buggy, virus and malware infested OS every quarter.

[somedude]

Front-Facing Camera works with srd party software, like simple mirror.
PR 1.2 will bring Skype with ffc.

who told you about or what's the source that says pr1.2 will bring Skype with video call?

[qorax]

Wait...The FFC works? How?? Is it implemented in camera-ui?

PR1.2 adds tons of new features

Below is the full change-log of the update:
• Software update notifications for content in Nokia Store
• Face recognition for gallery and face tags for Facebook
• Support for folders in the application view
• Mail thread support in the Email client
• Extended copy-paste support
• Media sharing with DLNA compatible devices
• Compass support in Maps
• New font taken into use
• Front camera support
• Video editing support in the Gallery application
• Separate switch for controlling mobile background connections while roaming
• Camera: self timer, grid on/off control
• Clock alarm becomes silent by flipping the device face down instead of snoozing
• People view added to the grid toolbar in the gallery
• Audiobook and podcast support in the music player
• Ability to create playlists in the music player
• Ability to delete music files from music player library views via object menu

Ref: http://techie-buzz.com/mobile-news/nokia-n950-gets-pr1-2-harmattan-update-adds-tons-of-new-features.html

[bmstrong]

As an example of how MS wiped out competition unfairly it used to insist (back in the days when there was still competition) that any manufacturer who wants to package its OS (Windows or MSDOS) drop other competing OS.

I doubt Microsoft's culture of suppressing competition has changed whether Bill or Balmer is in charge. Look at poor Nokia. It has to drop all other platforms and focus on WP7 although it makes sense for Nokia to be multiplatform.

I shudder to think what will happen if MS gets to dominate smartphones OS. We'll probably be forced to pay for upgrades to a bloated, buggy, virus and malware infested OS every quarter.

http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/01/meet-bill-gates/

Weird that this article would be posted this morning while we are talking about this. My point is that every company, even Nokia and Nokia of old or new, is only after a profit. Everything else is secondary but that also doen't mean things are black and white. I teld to view them as grey.

[asadkhan1988]

ordered the lumia 800 through welectronics.com and it will be here tomorrow.

530$ shipped overnight.

i will post pictures and in depth, review upon appropriate use

[Bernard]

http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/01/meet-bill-gates/

Weird that this article would be posted this morning while we are talking about this. My point is that every company, even Nokia and Nokia of old or new, is only after a profit. Everything else is secondary but that also doen't mean things are black and white. I teld to view them as grey.

I usually prefer a more nuanced view. If you define the goals of a company as the goals of people working for that company, then a company like Nokia is definitely NOT only after money (at least I hope not). I'm willing to bet that there are a lot of people with passion for hardware design, software development, UI design, and the desire to literally change the world by "connecting people".
This is the case in a lot of companies, not just tech-related (but new tech often does change the way we live our lives).
And imho the most important parts of a company are the combined goals and capabilities of the people working for it, not the money, brand-image, patents or even the products. The products define the company's past, the people its future.

[afaq]

Said it before and will say it again - Lumia is only good for spare parts.
Not that the N9 is a gem itself.

[marxian]

If you define the goals of a company as the goals of people working for that company, then a company like Nokia is definitely NOT only after money (at least I hope not)..

I think the goals of a company are those of it's shareholders, not it's employees. After all, it's the shareholders that own the company. If the senior employees' goals fall out of step with those of the shareholders, those senior employees will usually find themselves out of a job (with a generous severance package of course).

[ossipena]

It depends what do you want with your device. if you need MfE, access to office docs, notes app and such, lumia will make your day out of the box. But any other approach to task switching outside Harmattan is utter crap at the moment... buttons... in touch screen device... come on!

And don't start telling me "ther is an app for that". Good luck finding the right apps from the huge pile of sh*t offered from marketplaces without long trial and error experiments... (I can has a rss reader - ovi store...)

e: this opinion is with lumia800 (latest battery firmware updates) and n950 beta pr 1.2

[Rugoz]

Showed my n9 to my father recently, I told him he should consider to buy the wp7 version since meego is a dead end. He lost interest though when I told him it does not have swipe. Somehow he was totally into swipe after a few minutes.

[SamGan]

Showed my n9 to my father recently, I told him he should consider to buy the wp7 version since meego is a dead end. He lost interest though when I told him it does not have swipe. Somehow he was totally into swipe after a few minutes.

N9 a dead end? Depends on how you view it. It's still good for the next 3-4 years. How long do you keep your phone anyway? Chances are your interest will move to the next big thing before the N9/MeeGo is officially dead.

[Arie]

Showed my n9 to my father recently, I told him he should consider to buy the wp7 version since meego is a dead end. He lost interest though when I told him it does not have swipe. Somehow he was totally into swipe after a few minutes.

Haha, my poor dad fell in love with swipe, then when he heard it's a dead end, walked away dejected... Stupid Nokia.

[Dared]

I don't understand why it's a dead end. How many apps does you dad use/need?

Nokia is going to continue to support it for another few years, we've already had one update, another to be released soon, and confirmation of another in the pipe works

Like SamGan says, it all depends on your perspective. It's certainly not dead end for me

[Arie]

I don't understand why it's a dead end. How many apps does you dad use/need?

Nokia is going to continue to support it for another few years, we've already had one update, another to be released soon, and confirmation of another in the pipe works

Like SamGan says, it all depends on your perspective. It's certainly not dead end for me

You forget that the general public isn't us... I plan to keep my N9 well through 2015... Then I will survey the lay of the land when the time comes. My father on the other hand is easily moved by media information, like Iphones are good for you and there's an app for that. Sadly, we are the intelligent ones and realize the value of the N9, the general public (my father included) does not...
To me the N9 is not dead, but to the average user it was D.O.A.

[qorax]

...To me the N9 is not dead, but to the average user it was D.O.A.

And many of us kept a* spare soldier - in case the first gets M.I.A. [Missing in Action!].

*I kept more than one though.

[ossipena]

I don't understand why it's a dead end. How many apps does you dad use/need?

it is not the apps. if rumours are correct, next WP update will have the most complete social media integration from all smartphones, out of the box (adding skype & google+).

I also can't believe that N9's spotify just can't show back - play/pause - forward -buttons in lock screen and in lumia the whole spotify is integrated to built in media stuff after installation.

[jaripi]

it is not the apps. if rumours are correct, next WP update will have the most complete social media integration from all smartphones, out of the box (adding skype & google+).

I also can't believe that N9's spotify just can't show back - play/pause - forward -buttons in lock screen and in lumia the whole spotify is integrated to built in media stuff after installation.

Hmmmm, of course, everybody should choose their phone based on what they really need ... and want :) ... it is N9 for me and I am waiting PR 1.2 and then PR 1.3 impatiently :)

Of course, I do not know a situation a year later, but we will see that ... I prefer not guess that ... but yes, I believe that the both ones are better year later ... :)

[ossipena]

Hmmmm, of course, everybody should choose their phone based on what they really need

..and that is exactly why apps isn't everything. apps are usually just like stickers glued on top of the monitor: makes something possible but doesn't make that much sense compared to thoroughly integrated user interface (read: something that can be shown in the monitor). I'd prefer out of the box experience over app selection in appstore any day. that is why windows phone kicks *** if you want to introduce your dad to social networking. I just took my N900 to my parents for skype and the integration to OS made things so simple that my little sister no longer needs to guide them through when they want to message or call via skype, unlike how it worked with normal pc client.

[Rugoz]

I don't understand why it's a dead end. How many apps does you dad use/need?

Nokia is going to continue to support it for another few years, we've already had one update, another to be released soon, and confirmation of another in the pipe works

Like SamGan says, it all depends on your perspective. It's certainly not dead end for me


Fact is it will probably receive its last big update next month (I hope otherwise of course) and has a very limited app catalogue. I would recommend the N9 to a smartphone veteran who knows what he is dealing with, but not to a newbie.

[jaripi]

Fact is it will probably receive its last big update next month (I hope otherwise of course) and has a very limited app catalogue. I would recommend the N9 to a smartphone veteran who knows what he is dealing with, but not to a newbie.

It is not fact ... PR 1.3 is already under work ... and it is not end ...

Apps are not limited any longer and more is coming all the time - I have all apps what I need (and many unnecessary ones too) ... what are you missing ? - I know only 2 missing ones, whatsapp and shazam (or similar one as shazam), but I am not missing either one ...

Well, my daughter is a newbie and she really like her N9 ... well, she does not even know what means OS - she will buy one that she likes most just on that moment (she does not care what is brand or OS) ...

[Rugoz]

It is not fact ... PR 1.3 is already under work ... and it is not end ...

Apps are not limited any longer and more is coming all the time - I have all apps what I need (and many unnecessary ones too) ... what are you missing ? - I know only 2 missing ones, whatsapp and shazam (or similar one as shazam), but I am not missing either one ...


I think I read the 1.3 update will be rather small. I guess we will even see updates after that, but its only a guess. I'm willing to take the risk of course.

I don't miss any apps, but its something I know because of my experience. I should add that my dad is an engineer, he's just a bit old-fashioned.

[ossipena]

I have all apps what I need (and many unnecessary ones too) ... what are you missing ?

ecosystem?

as I said earlier, apps are just like stickers. put enough of them on top of the monitor and the result will be really bad.

as I have told from the N900 release, apps are sh*t replacement for good os that works out of the box, all you need is to enter your account information for social networks etc you want your phone to connect with.

[jaripi]

ecosystem?

as I said earlier, apps are just like stickers. put enough of them on top of the monitor and the result will be really bad.

as I have told from the N900 release, apps are sh*t replacement for good os that works out of the box, all you need is to enter your account information for social networks etc you want your phone to connect with.

Well, I disagree ... I want choose all these great "sh*t" apps on my phone by myself ... as a result can be really great too ...

Do you really try to tell me that all apps should be integrated ... like Siri, it was sh*t until Apple integrated it ? ... well, that's just an strange opinion and certainly, it is not mine ...

[misterc]

http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/01/meet-bill-gates/

[...] every company, even Nokia and Nokia of old or new, is only after a profit. Everything else is secondary but that also doen't mean things are black and white. I teld to view them as grey.

how gray is Maemo (or MeeGo / Harmattan, for that matter)?
Maemo NEVER was about profit.
it always has been & still is about... disruptive technologies
thus... white?

Flop, profit?
on which planet are you living?
just because the NOKIA stocks went up a hint upon release of the "more then 1 million Lumia devices sold" scoop doesn't mean it is profitable.
the only company "profiting" from LostDOS so far is m@ke$$h!t.
& the users eating that whole day long?!? don't get me started on that :mad:
and last time i read about it, LostDOS Paralyzed was a hopeless loss, by Bllamer's own admittance (http://www.informationweek.com/news/mobility/smart_phones/231601548) :rolleyes:
maybe, maybe... this is because of the users' poor experience with LostDOS (updates, viruses and other malware, price policy. and who knows, maybe m$'s anti-competitive behavior start to "educate" ppl some?)

rotten iPotatos?
When asked what market research went into the company’s elegant product designs, Steve Jobs had a standard answer: none. “It’s not the consumers’ job to know what they want,” he would add.
any questions? :rolleyes:

& tired reading about how LD.P. is NOKIA's future, that they abandoned Symbian and Maemo... :mad:
Symbian's path (Carla, Donna) is clearly defined @ least 'til 2013 (> 1GHz, dual-core) & there is no reason there shouldn't be more coming
someone else already mentioned PR1.3 for Harmattan in the works & PR1.4 "planed".
LD.(P.)? sure, lots of marketing, the future... of what, exactly?
PCs? dead end :p
servers? that's definitely a field where Linux/GNU is ridding in heavily :D
mobile phones? doesn't look like it; in fact, LD.P. has even less market share then LD.imMobilized had in the last couple years... how's that for a future?
tablets? sure, not even ANDRoid can make even a dent in iPad's domination, why should m@ke$$h!t?

so, to the OP's question;
Lumia, obviously, no
N9? well, even though in a country where the N9 is not officially distributed, all the (even not so) major providers have all the models to be ordered with contract;
if there is no news of the N10 (or N960?) 'til end of the year, i may actually spend a couple hundred bucks to get one (64GB) with my contract renewal.
anyone heard anything from Koajwujwer123 (http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=53620) lately?

[asadkhan1988]

misterc,

thanks for your reply

i was not, in my original posting, asking people to help me decide which phone to use, rather how n9 user(me) would enjoy using nokia lumia 800. from all video i have seen i have been impressed with wp 7.5 and lumia 800. phone will be arrivjng in few hours and i will post my impressions.

[pycage]

Fact is it will probably receive ...

How can "fact" and "probably" fit together in one sentence? :)

Fact is, the N9 is sold subsidized by operators in more than 20 countries across the world. It can be a great alternative to Symbian for many.

[imo]

i reject both of 'em ,hail N900.

[asadkhan1988]

literally just received the phone

wow this thing is beautiful

i like the heavier feel to the 800

windows 7.5 is beautiful

very in depth settings

[mohd012z]

literally just received the phone

wow this thing is beautiful

i like the heavier feel to the 800

windows 7.5 is beautiful

very in depth settings



need ur comment after use 1 month if u dont care.....

[SamGan]

literally just received the phone

wow this thing is beautiful

i like the heavier feel to the 800

windows 7.5 is beautiful

very in depth settings

Wait till you try to change ring tones or play a .avi video. Also try comparing the music playback quality of the Lumia and N9.

[asadkhan1988]

lumia 800 loud speaker quality in terms of audi playback is on par, if not greater than n9.

about changing ringtones, no need, i use standard nokia ring tone. i do not need a hip hop song when my phone rings, especially around elder millionaires.

phone is a beauty, i urge those whom can afford, to try it

[Dousan]

The speaker might be on par, but try out the headphones, I've heard a lot of bad from many people/forums. It is tinny, flat and the bass is cut off, that's what people are saying on xda.dev.forum?

Some state if the music is transfered through Zune it sounds ok but not through the program provided by Nokia (i'm not sure of the name).

Even GSMarena has tested the sound and concludes that the bass is cut off in the jackstick and therefor gives a flat and bassless sound.

What is your experience?

To also chip in with some on topic:
I would siriously concieder the N9 over the Lumia, even more in the light of really bad headphone sound. I listen to alot of music and that has to be good, not audiophile like, just good. My iPhone 4S is not that great with the standard headphones, but fine for my use.
The N9 is still a great smartphone for the avarage Joe and an end user. Apps is not everything and I've ended up using only a handfull of around 300 downloaded. Most apps are just entertainment and quite useless in the end.
One thing i would miss is the games, the console like games, with a switch to either N9 or Lumia. They might be availebel in some degree, but the gyro sensor is missing in both devices and that is one awesome feature when missing hardware buttons A's seen on Xperia Play.
There's also the camera part where the Lumia just lags compared to the N9.
Even Nokia drive on the Lumia is a 'lite' version compared to the version on the N8 with less options and settings.
I would go for the N9 :)

Regards Dousan...

[bmstrong]

http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/06/nokia-confirms-white-lumia-900/

[rcolistete]

Fact is it will probably receive its last big update next month (I hope otherwise of course) and has a very limited app catalogue. I would recommend the N9 to a smartphone veteran who knows what he is dealing with, but not to a newbie.

It is nonsense to give a such generic recomendation.

For example :
- many smartphone users install less than 5-10 softwares;
- for my use, Android has less software than Maemo 5.

Which mobile OS is better depends on each users's needs.

[asadkhan1988]

http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/06/nokia-confirms-white-lumia-900/


saw this earlier

i am going to get the white lumia over the n9

i can not understand why n9 has soo many missing things

no voice recognition

lumia has second to none voice integration

in regard to lumia battery life, it is actaully better than n9 to me.

lumia internet is always on in background, and n9 i had mine set to no background connection to have okay battery life.

lumia has always fb chat on, as opposed to not having online with n9

lumia i can play music for extended time, but with n9 battery would drain tremendously quick

lumia screen is better than n9

[jaripi]

saw this earlier

i am going to get the white lumia over the n9

i can not understand why n9 has soo many missing things

no voice recognition

lumia has second to none voice integration

in regard to lumia battery life, it is actaully better than n9 to me.

lumia internet is always on in background, and n9 i had mine set to no background connection to have okay battery life.

lumia has always fb chat on, as opposed to not having online with n9

lumia i can play music for extended time, but with n9 battery would drain tremendously quick

lumia screen is better than n9

Stop dreaming ... and welcome back after a month or so ... :)

[asadkhan1988]

well i am still here, still have my black n9 :)


which is, without a doubt, a fabulous handset

[48GX]

i tried last week my AKG headphones with de Lumia and the feel I had is:

bass sounds were not as good as they are in n900 , they don't feel so strong and refined.

also at maximum power sound is more clear from n900 than lumia 800

just my opinion!

regards

[jaeezzy]

PR1.2 adds tons of new features

Below is the full change-log of the update:
• Software update notifications for content in Nokia Store
• Face recognition for gallery and face tags for Facebook
• Support for folders in the application view
• Mail thread support in the Email client
• Extended copy-paste support
• Media sharing with DLNA compatible devices
• Compass support in Maps
• New font taken into use
• Front camera support
• Video editing support in the Gallery application
• Separate switch for controlling mobile background connections while roaming
• Camera: self timer, grid on/off control
• Clock alarm becomes silent by flipping the device face down instead of snoozing
• People view added to the grid toolbar in the gallery
• Audiobook and podcast support in the music player
• Ability to create playlists in the music player
• Ability to delete music files from music player library views via object menu

Ref: http://techie-buzz.com/mobile-news/nokia-n950-gets-pr1-2-harmattan-update-adds-tons-of-new-features.html

But it doesn't say video call support using front camera and I think they would have definitely said so if there was any and someone with n950 confirmed that there's not much change just some support that might help 3rd party develop app utilising it.

[bmstrong]

When you guys set the background connection to no? What exactly does that mean? How much battery life do you gain by turning it off?

[Arie]

When you guys set the background connection to no? What exactly does that mean? How much battery life do you gain by turning it off?

It means that if the phone needs to connect to things that are not obvious to our homescreen or something of that nature it does. The difference between it on and off are minimal from my experience.

[qorax]

Micro$oft wants your ideas to promote Windows Phone

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/3622/windowsphone.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/40/windowsphone.jpg/)

Got marketing skills?

What do you make of a device, or a platform, that is acceptable as a good system to challenge the 'dominating other two' - but is lagging way behind in terms of sales?

Windows Phone 7 [or 7.5 if u may] is in that lingering, uneasy position, and it seems to have Microsoft stumped.

That’s probably why the team behind Windows Phone 7 is ASKING (http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_phone/b/windowsphone/archive/2012/02/03/let-s-say-you-re-in-charge-what-would-you-do.aspx) its fan-base to help promote the OS. The joke here is that they have laid off their marketing team, but that’s clearly not the case (we hope), they just want your “ad concepts, contest ideas, social media campaigns, and whatever other wacky but worthwhile ideas you can up with.”

If you have any ideas, you can post them HERE (https://windowsphone.uservoice.com/forums/147665-advertising-and-promotion). There is a 25 word limit, with a disclaimer from Microsoft’s lawyers, which says: “Please do not send any novel or patentable ideas, copyrighted materials, samples or demos which you do not want to grant a license to Microsoft.”

Smoked by Windows Phone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQjGe53zw6w&feature=channel_video_title&noredirect=1) [challenge]- they said - LOL!

[tebsu]

Micro$oft wants your ideas to promote Windows Phone

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/3622/windowsphone.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/40/windowsphone.jpg/)

Got marketing skills?

What do you make of a device, or a platform, that is acceptable as a good system to challenge the 'dominating other two' - but is lagging way behind in terms of sales?

Windows Phone 7 [or 7.5 if u may] is in that lingering, uneasy position, and it seems to have Microsoft stumped.

That’s probably why the team behind Windows Phone 7 is ASKING (http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_phone/b/windowsphone/archive/2012/02/03/let-s-say-you-re-in-charge-what-would-you-do.aspx) its fan-base to help promote the OS. The joke here is that they have laid off their marketing team, but that’s clearly not the case (we hope), they just want your “ad concepts, contest ideas, social media campaigns, and whatever other wacky but worthwhile ideas you can up with.”

If you have any ideas, you can post them HERE (https://windowsphone.uservoice.com/forums/147665-advertising-and-promotion). There is a 25 word limit, with a disclaimer from Microsoft’s lawyers, which says: “Please do not send any novel or patentable ideas, copyrighted materials, samples or demos which you do not want to grant a license to Microsoft.”

Smoked by Windows Phone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQjGe53zw6w&feature=channel_video_title&noredirect=1) [challenge]- they said - LOL!

my idea to throw WP away and actually get a good OS is "awaiting moderator approval"

[ibrakalifa]

linux is for the future, WP is just bullsh*t

[moisturerichsoy]

does anyone want to buy or trade for my lumia 800?

i got one of the developer program ones, and have no use for it. i cant even sell it on craigslist because im in the usa and its rm-801, since the usa version isnt out yet. it would work on atts 1900 wcdma 3g, but i dunno where in the states they offer that.

its in brand new condition, i charged it up to make sure it works, but that is all. it is black, still in box, all accessories etc.

i would trade it for an n9, an n900+money, or consider an android trade. would also consider money offers, or consider whatever. not interested in ios or winmo devices.

[jleholeho]

does anyone want to buy or trade for my lumia 800?

i got one of the developer program ones, and have no use for it. i cant even sell it on craigslist because im in the usa and its rm-801, since the usa version isnt out yet. it would work on atts 1900 wcdma 3g, but i dunno where in the states they offer that.

its in brand new condition, i charged it up to make sure it works, but that is all. it is black, still in box, all accessories etc.

i would trade it for an n9, an n900+money, or consider an android trade. would also consider money offers, or consider whatever. not interested in ios or winmo devices.

Interesting...
I´ve got a week old black N9 16gb, Central EU version and my impressions are somewhat ambiguous so far...
I guess I´d trade it for your Lumia 800, shame that you´re in the US...

[moisturerichsoy]

It is a shame I am in the USA for many reasons. The versions are all just different firmware correct? I can figure that out, there is the logistics matter though, being both members without reputation. Maybe we could figure something out through eBay or PayPal, I am open to suggestions. Anyone have ideas on doing such a trade?

[asadkhan1988]

lumia 900(yes 900) white is on negrielectronics.com

interesting

[jleholeho]

It is a shame I am in the USA for many reasons. The versions are all just different firmware correct? I can figure that out, there is the logistics matter though, being both members without reputation. Maybe we could figure something out through eBay or PayPal, I am open to suggestions. Anyone have ideas on doing such a trade?

Yep, you`d just need to wait for the accurate Central EU version of new firmware, once it starts rolling out...or better yet find it yourself on NaviFirm and update the phone...
I`m in Bratislava, Slovakia and I`m on both PayPal and eBay...
the shipping cost would be cca 20 USD from here, same from the US, I guess..
Try to figure it out somehow and let me know at jleholeho@gmail.com...
we can post some pictures prior to any possible deal...
thx

[jaripi]

When you guys set the background connection to no? What exactly does that mean? How much battery life do you gain by turning it off?

This is lumia 800 vs nokia n9 ... so continue here, for example:

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1162277#post1162277

My experience for your question: there is NO point to disable backgraound connections at all ... I have practically all features enabled with dual mobile network (2G/3G) ... internet 3G/WLAN active (online all the time) ... online in fb (I use it text messaging with my girl, a good substitute for SMS and Whatsapp) ... and I can stay 10 mA-level on idle state ... your idle power consumption will be clearly higher if you are using Skype and/or Gtalk (online) ...

[jaripi]

It means that if the phone needs to connect to things that are not obvious to our homescreen or something of that nature it does. The difference between it on and off are minimal from my experience.

Sorry, I did not see that you already answered ... never mind, as my answer is just in line with your one ...

[jalyst]

i can not understand why n9 has soo many missing things

And yet WP 7.5 leaves many saying exactly the same thing.

no voice recognition
lumia has second to none voice integration

There's some handy apps appearing in the community now which may eventually address this shortfall.
But yes, that's one area that WP's definitely stronger OOTB.

in regard to lumia battery life, it is actaully better than n9 to me.

The vast majority of reviews (inc. recent) have not indicated that.

lumia internet is always on in background, and n9 i had mine set to no background connection to have okay battery life.
lumia has always fb chat on, as opposed to not having online with n9
lumia i can play music for extended time, but with n9 battery would drain tremendously quick

All sounds like issues that some have hit, whilst others have not.
The majority are seemingly being rectified with PR1.2/3.

lumia screen is better than n9

All the comparos I've read indicate the differences are non-existent in RW terms.
Of course there's always variations in panel quality...
So you could've gotten a N9 w/a panel that isn't quite as good as other N9's.

I'm not following TMO as much lately (too busy), so apologies if I don't address responses.

[ossipena]

Well, I disagree ... I want choose all these great "sh*t" apps on my phone by myself ... as a result can be really great too ...

not with modern apis. (not sure about WP, at least the media playing stuff is promising).

imagine that integrated music player isn't enough. you can install any music player available, for example spotify. but at the same time you'll loose the control buttons on lock screen.

then you just unlock the phone, activate task switcher, open the app, control the app.

http://cdn.head-fi.org/5/55/55077277_942-okay-meme.jpeg

instead of doubletap + basic control of the app.

[ossipena]

Maemo NEVER was about profit.

shame that I noticed that, I thought you really knew something about things.

the disruptive stuff came after WP transition, before that it was all about 5 step program for replacing symbian....

[ibrakalifa]

http://www.mobilelivingroom.de/Nokia-N9-vs-Lumia-800-html5-test


eat that sh*t WP!! u have all support but perform really bad, i would like to choose basic one but indeed its a killer software, unsupported but born to be a king!!

[Lumiaman]

I bought Lumia and overall its a great phone for basic stuff. Love the large tiles and email is perfect. I have to say that the email client is far superior to iphone, N9 or anything else.

[jaripi]

not with modern apis. (not sure about WP, at least the media playing stuff is promising).

imagine that integrated music player isn't enough. you can install any music player available, for example spotify. but at the same time you'll loose the control buttons on lock screen.

then you just unlock the phone, activate task switcher, open the app, control the app.

http://cdn.head-fi.org/5/55/55077277_942-okay-meme.jpeg

instead of doubletap + basic control of the app.

Yes, I can agree now ... I use both N9 music player and QuasarMX, for a different reasons ... yes, QuasarMX has no control buttons for lock screen, but there is many other things, some are not available in a default N9 player ... btw, OS made limitations for installed apps for the favour of integrated apps, are just made limitations ... btw, every N9 has a nice task switcher, just open apps for standby, as you like and any you want and as many you want ...

Honestly, I am not against Lumia, but I just prefer my N9 over all others (including Lumia, iPhones, Galaxies, etc. - I miss only their faster CPUs for my N9) ... so it is not based for a single or few things, it is the total package of N9 that I prefer over all others ...

[ibrakalifa]

its maemo6 so why its cant even beat maemo5??, :S

[jalyst]

Why's this thread even here?
It should be in the competitors sub-forum?
I'll let the mod know....

[asadkhan1988]

Why's this thread even here?
It should be in the competitors sub-forum?
I'll let the mod know....



i think this subject is appropriate here jalyst. it is not a lumia vs n9 thread, it is more like a lumia impressions thread from n9 owners, which i think provides more info than a standard 'vs' thread

[jalyst]

i think this subject is appropriate here jalyst.
it is not a lumia vs n9 thread, it is more like a lumia impressions thread from n9 owners, which i think provides more info than a standard 'vs' thread

Which makes it perfect for the competitors sub-forum...
And it hasn't actually been like that all the way through, far form it.

[Chuck Norris]

Sitting here with a lumia 800 and a n9. Its two really bad phones. But at least n9 is fun to use, so l800 vs n9 0-1

[ibrakalifa]

Sitting here with a lumia 800 and a n9. Its two really bad phones. But at least n9 is fun to use, so l800 vs n9 0-1

Send it from nitdroid. N900 rule. :D

[xRobby]

I quite like my lumia, however i does make me feel restricted.
for example it shouldn't take 11 swipes just to turn off the brightness,

there's not 'hub'/block for quick settings either, you have to always go to settings, scroll, click, click choice, click again, click back. Depending on the W8 release date you might want to wait until then.

As a phone, the reception hasn't let me down yet, browser is good, and messaging works very well.

[Micha]

It's more like WP7 vs Meego.
Cos WP7 phones are much alike. Offcourse every WP7 phone has positives vs negatives individually, but all phones are much alike because of minimum specs.

Personally I like WP7 (and Lumia) a lot!
My personal WP7 pro's:
- It's a blazingfast OS
- I like the social network integration.
- I like the Live Tiles, makes the screen less cluttered compared to icons, and I like the alphabetical app search.
- I personally like the restrictive feel of the OS compared to iOS and Android.
- Did I mention it's blazingfast?

I still haven't decided if I want to go back to WP7 from my N9.
Meego hasn't pulled me far beyond the WP7 border yet.
Perhaps pr1.2 will make that change.

My GF has the Lumia 800 and I got used to the N9 interface which I have come to love over WP7.
Can't wait for the folders addition in pr1.2 to make my screen less cluttered, and hope the general response speed has improved.

[pycage]

It's true that WP is good for basic stuff. But then, why should one spend that much money at a Windows phone when feature phones are good for basic stuff, too?

[GrimyHR]

Micro$oft wants your ideas to promote Windows Phone

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/3622/windowsphone.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/40/windowsphone.jpg/)

Got marketing skills?

What do you make of a device, or a platform, that is acceptable as a good system to challenge the 'dominating other two' - but is lagging way behind in terms of sales?

Windows Phone 7 [or 7.5 if u may] is in that lingering, uneasy position, and it seems to have Microsoft stumped.

That’s probably why the team behind Windows Phone 7 is ASKING (http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_phone/b/windowsphone/archive/2012/02/03/let-s-say-you-re-in-charge-what-would-you-do.aspx) its fan-base to help promote the OS. The joke here is that they have laid off their marketing team, but that’s clearly not the case (we hope), they just want your “ad concepts, contest ideas, social media campaigns, and whatever other wacky but worthwhile ideas you can up with.”

If you have any ideas, you can post them HERE (https://windowsphone.uservoice.com/forums/147665-advertising-and-promotion). There is a 25 word limit, with a disclaimer from Microsoft’s lawyers, which says: “Please do not send any novel or patentable ideas, copyrighted materials, samples or demos which you do not want to grant a license to Microsoft.”

Smoked by Windows Phone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQjGe53zw6w&feature=channel_video_title&noredirect=1) [challenge]- they said - LOL!

MS should dump WP, buy symbian and continue its development :p

[Dave999]

It doesn't matter what they come up with. You simply can't turn **** to gold...

[slansr]

i got both the lumia and the n9 and bought the n9 after i bought the lumia simply because i completely forgot about nokia the past year or so and mainly used iphone/samsung. Anyway things i can tell you from my pretty big experience of using both phones is that simply put the Lumia is faster and the N9 is 'cooler' i'll explain what that means in a bit. Firstly when i say that the lumia is faster, it really is. Not just the first day you buy it and getting slower as you use it but absolutely blazing fast all around. On Lumia you dont have to wait this annoying extra half a second after you pressed on "battery" in settings to find out how much you got left. And if you like reading feeds then prepare to wait about two minutes for your feeds to sync if you choose the N9 or 15 seconds on the lumia. Lumia aslo has way more apps. Some of them are pretty good as well and the games are getting really nice look at NFS hot pursuit for example. Its aslo ridiculously simple and easy to use.

Now heres to why the n9 is better, on the n9 you can do pretty much anything you want. Change any colour of any font of any icon. Max ringer volume too low for you? (which it is on both phones) well guess what? On the n9 it will take you one minute to raise it via the terminal or a mod. And this ability to tweak the system is that amazing thing that lets you solve almost any problem you might find with it. i.e battery life etc. On the Lumia i am clueless how to solve the battery problem because i dont even know what the cause is.. the n9 tells you what the cause through looking at the top processes.
Now lumia can also be developer unlocked but now that chevron labs is unavailable the only way to do it is to become an official apps developer and pay a big $ while doing so. To "unlock" the n9 you have to toggle a switch in the settings. Also theres a huge update coming to the n9 as you've probably already heard which aparently makes the ui snappier as well which is good, along with tons of new features. Lumia has had two or three updates so far and has 0 new features.
Sometimes i do get annoyed by how slow the n9 ui is because im so spoiled by the lumia however on the lumia im sometimes bored because the os is so restricting..
i think since you are on this forum you probably know a thing or two about rooting/developing and for people like that the n9 is the choice.

[knuthf]

What do you expect...:
__________________
Python, C/C++, Qt and CAS developer. For Maemo/MeeGo :
Integral, Derivative, Limit - calculating mathematical integrals, derivatives and limits.
SymPy - Computer Algebra System. MatPlotLib - 2D & 3D plots in Python.
PyGlet - OpenGL, etc in Python

Good luck with Android, better with iPhone - look forward to see SymPy on Maemo/N900!

[gerbick]

does anyone want to buy or trade for my lumia 800?

i got one of the developer program ones, and have no use for it. i cant even sell it on craigslist because im in the usa and its rm-801, since the usa version isnt out yet. it would work on atts 1900 wcdma 3g, but i dunno where in the states they offer that.

its in brand new condition, i charged it up to make sure it works, but that is all. it is black, still in box, all accessories etc.

i would trade it for an n9, an n900+money, or consider an android trade. would also consider money offers, or consider whatever. not interested in ios or winmo devices.

I know that you've been inundated with offers, but I got a spare Nokia 16GB Black N9, I'm in the US.

[knuthf]

The difference is that Microsoft (and Apple) consider the phone to be a periferal to a computer / laptop.

The N900 / N9 is "a computer in your pocket" device. It may be a remote control to your TV. . . with 80GB of storage that includes all your emails from 1992... and your presentations, spreadsheets, documents. Some years ago, that required a huge "datacentre" to accomodate.

[knuthf]

The fMobi is made for the N900, should also be available on N9 and all Symbians and provide the same "Social network integration" if not better.

The Omnia/ WP7 is a port of these, where that is possible.

[jalyst]

Now lumia can also be developer unlocked but now that chevron labs is unavailable the only way to do it is to become an official apps developer and pay a big $ while doing so. To "unlock" the n9 you have to toggle a switch in the settings

Chevron is nothing like a truly unlocked device...
It's just like Harmattan's built-in "allow installations from non-store sources"
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=34730#post34730
There's progress towards a hack that may eventually allow for the same kind of privileges as open-mode
http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/26/windowbreak-project-seeks-universal-developer-unlock-tool-for-wi/
But the big difference is that Harmattan's open-mode is "sanctioned".
WP hackers will be playing the cat & mouse game that iOS hackers play with Apple.
Oh and open-mode has progressed "way more" since that post above
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81579

[ibrakalifa]

Chevron is nothing like a truly unlocked device...
It's just like Harmattan's built-in "allow installations from non-store sources"
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=34730#post34730
There's progress towards a hack that may eventually allow for the same kind of privileges as open-mode
http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/26/windowbreak-project-seeks-universal-developer-unlock-tool-for-wi/
But the big difference is that Harmattan's open-mode is "sanctioned".
WP hackers will be playing the cat & mouse game that iOS hackers play with Apple.
Oh and open-mode has progressed "way more" since that post above
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81579

im watching ur video on youtube, the white n9 one, niceeeee:)

[jalyst]

Eh? I haven't put a video on YouTube, I will eventually though.

[ibrakalifa]

http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=GzciwxHyj_w&email=comment_reply_received

LOL my bad, ur replying my comment, :D

[Dave999]

Lumia 800 is more dead than N9 since lumia 900 is around the corner and soon next nokia windows phone and limnia 800 will not get windows 8. So lets face it. lumnia 800 is a dead-end and a waste of time and money. Not so easy to hack the phone either.

The n9 living its own life and it's up to you to keep it alive :D

[slansr]

Lumia 800 is more dead than N9 since lumia 900 is around the corner and soon next nokia windows phone and limnia 800 will not get windows 8. So lets face it. lumnia 800 is a dead-end and a waste of time and money. Not so easy to hack the phone either.

The n9 living its own life and it's up to you to keep it alive :D

What makes you say the Lumias wont get updated to WP8? I havent seen any proof of this claim yet and i think they will get updated.

[slansr]

Chevron is nothing like a truly unlocked device...
It's just like Harmattan's built-in "allow installations from non-store sources"
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=34730#post34730
There's progress towards a hack that may eventually allow for the same kind of privileges as open-mode
http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/26/windowbreak-project-seeks-universal-developer-unlock-tool-for-wi/
But the big difference is that Harmattan's open-mode is "sanctioned".
WP hackers will be playing the cat & mouse game that iOS hackers play with Apple.
Oh and open-mode has progressed "way more" since that post above
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81579

yeah good point, sorry i havent had the chance to unlock my lumia and im not planning to so wouldnt know too much about what happens after the unlocking. One thing is for sure, if you like rooting/unlocking/tweaking then n9 is one the best options for you. Due to how simple it is to tweak it. I never even plugged mine into a pc since i've downloaded my music.

[ibrakalifa]

we are all different, and we have our own choice, :D

[Chuck Norris]

What makes you say the Lumias wont get updated to WP8? I havent seen any proof of this claim yet and i think they will get updated.

http://www.itproportal.com/2012/01/31/windows-7-phones-not-compatible-with-windows-8-upgrade/

http://www.motoringcrunch.com/news/mobile-tech/9834-nokia-lumia-800-windows-phone-7-8-upgrade-apollo

plus, a secret source. Lumia's is dead on arrival!

[pycage]

The Lumia appears faster than the N9. But then, transition animations hide startup times, and the UI is so basic and simple that it's no wonder it's blazingly fast IMHO.
The N9 OTOH is missing transition animations when launching an app. Some do have splash screens, but most apps just appear slow to launch.

[benny1967]

OK, I have the N9 and I got myself a Lumia 800 about 2 weeks ago. What did I learn? I know what Mr. Flop means when he says "Ecosystem". And I know that if you're not within this very small and restrictive ecosystem with each and every part of your digital life, the Lumia is basically unusable even as a dumb phone.

The ecosystem WP7 defines is that of a mainstream consumer PC with Zune installed. It requires you to sign up to (and actively use) Microsoft cloud services. Some functions - but not many - of MS services can be replaced by Facebook and/or Google.

If you are not part of this "ecosystem" (and I am not), you cannot even transfer your contacts onto your brand new phone. No way. Not from the cloud, not from your PC, not from your old phone. You cannot do any sort of file exchange between your PC and your phone. You cannot do instant messaging, can't do VoIP, it's totally absurd.

Even if I'd do as Mr. Flop suggests (buy and install a new OS, install Zune, live in the MS cloud, use a facebook account,...), it's still no fun to use: I never thought how much I'd miss multitasking. Not the fact that you can do 2 things in parallel, no... but a task-switcher or any kind of UI that represents running application/services and their status. I never know what an application that I started is doing after I returned to the home screen (and maybe start another application). Some seem to simply close down and don't do anythiing. Others seem to keep running in the background, but you never know exactly. It just doesn't feel right.

I decided this weekend that this was it and I'll return the thing. Sorry, N9, for pulling the MicroSIM out of your slot for this - this thing. I don't love the N9 the way I love the N900, but at least it works. The Lumia doesn't.

[slansr]

http://www.itproportal.com/2012/01/31/windows-7-phones-not-compatible-with-windows-8-upgrade/

http://www.motoringcrunch.com/news/mobile-tech/9834-nokia-lumia-800-windows-phone-7-8-upgrade-apollo

plus, a secret source. Lumia's is dead on arrival!

Thats a rumour coming from Eldar if you know who im talking about.. he's been wrong quite a few times recently.. If you had the lumia from the start and saw how many more good apps WP7 is getting and considering that rumour being BS trust me you'd know the Lumia is anything but dead

[slansr]

OK, I have the N9 and I got myself a Lumia 800 about 2 weeks ago. What did I learn? I know what Mr. Flop means when he says "Ecosystem". And I know that if you're not within this very small and restrictive ecosystem with each and every part of your digital life, the Lumia is basically unusable even as a dumb phone.

The ecosystem WP7 defines is that of a mainstream consumer PC with Zune installed. It requires you to sign up to (and actively use) Microsoft cloud services. Some functions - but not many - of MS services can be replaced by Facebook and/or Google.

If you are not part of this "ecosystem" (and I am not), you cannot even transfer your contacts onto your brand new phone. No way. Not from the cloud, not from your PC, not from your old phone. You cannot do any sort of file exchange between your PC and your phone. You cannot do instant messaging, can't do VoIP, it's totally absurd.

Even if I'd do as Mr. Flop suggests (buy and install a new OS, install Zune, live in the MS cloud, use a facebook account,...), it's still no fun to use: I never thought how much I'd miss multitasking. Not the fact that you can do 2 things in parallel, no... but a task-switcher or any kind of UI that represents running application/services and their status. I never know what an application that I started is doing after I returned to the home screen (and maybe start another application). Some seem to simply close down and don't do anythiing. Others seem to keep running in the background, but you never know exactly. It just doesn't feel right.

I decided this weekend that this was it and I'll return the thing. Sorry, N9, for pulling the MicroSIM out of your slot for this - this thing. I don't love the N9 the way I love the N900, but at least it works. The Lumia doesn't.

Good point about multitasking, MeeGo is the best in that area hands down. About the Lumia though, it does have multitasking you have press and hold the back button and you see 5 recent windows exaclty like you left them. The problem is you only see 5 and once you get more the system will close the old ones thats why sometimes you had some closed. This is something that windows knows about and actuallty did this on purpose to test it out and see the consumer reactions.. they are going to change this in future updates though.

[pycage]

About the Lumia though, it does have multitasking you have press and hold the back button and you see 5 recent windows exaclty like you left them.

Yes, it shows them exactly like you left them, including that time in the top bar. Those are only screenshots that mimic the look of multitasking.
Now if you go back to one, it either will resume exactly where you left it if you're lucky (and then only if the app supports this new "feature" of Mango) or just start new. This is a very bad excuse for multitasking.

[GrimyHR]

no, n900 is the best in that area with ctrl+bspace or camera half press :p

[Chuck Norris]

Thats a rumour coming from Eldar if you know who im talking about.. he's been wrong quite a few times recently.. If you had the lumia from the start and saw how many more good apps WP7 is getting and considering that rumour being BS trust me you'd know the Lumia is anything but dead

I am Chuck Norris, if you know who I am.. l have never been wrong, ever! If you think it's just a rumour. Just wait and see when the news rock your world.

[slansr]

I am Chuck Norris, if you know who I am.. l have never been wrong, ever! If you think it's just a rumour. Just wait and see when the news rock your world.

yeah thats great.. The lumia is getting updated though i guess we need to wait and see no point in this stupid argument

[slansr]

oh another thing that is a surprising difference between the two:
On the N9 the screen gives some sort of a tint, when displaying white pages especially.. It turns pink-ish also as you turn the viewing angle. Lumia has nothing like that. It has a bit of a tint im guessning but the colours stay the same when changing the viewing angles slightly. On both screens the white looks horrible and thats why meego doesnt use white much i guess.. But when comparing browser pages the lumia's white is defenitely superior. Its a very notable difference when comparing the two.

[GrimyHR]

if i remember correctly that tint is intentional for better view when viewed under sunlight, n9 is much better than all non-nokia phones when used in that condition

[marxian]

oh another thing that is a surprising difference between the two:
On the N9 the screen gives some sort of a tint, when displaying white pages especially.. It turns pink-ish also as you turn the viewing angle. Lumia has nothing like that.

My Lumia 800 has that same tint. It's particulalrly noticable when using the email client. The screen also suffers from oversaturated colours, but that seems to be a problem with most AMOLED screens.

[slansr]

if i remember correctly that tint is intentional for better view when viewed under sunlight, n9 is much better than all non-nokia phones when used in that condition

thats right. The lumia is also amazing under sunlight and the whites look better..

other things that i wanted to include:
Lumia has a very nice focusing in the camera it uses a flash when focusing whch is a huge plus when taking pictures at night. Lumia's flash is aslo very and i mean very bright for a non xenon. N9 is supposed tohave the same but i dont think its as bright, and no focusing with the flashlight on the N9.
Photo quality wise they are both very different niether are too bad but i prefer the lumia, n9's white balance is all over the place, sometimes the snow is green-ish other times its blue-ish. I understand that if i knew more than just the basics of photography i'd be able to pull a good shot out of both. Also both are getting camera updates in future. (The lumia deffinitely as theres an official statement, the n9 says camera interface improvement and im not sure whether they will also improve the quality but most probably)
What the Lumia is better than the n9 at is the video. N9's video recording ability is two years behind. even though they are both hd recorders the difference is actually HUGE. Lumias video looks exaclty the same on my 15" hi res as the one from iphone 4s(which is awesome) the n9 is really bad at video recording and this is definitely a software issue so lets hope for improvements.

[slansr]

My Lumia 800 has that same tint. It's particulalrly noticable when using the email client. The screen also suffers from oversaturated colours, but that seems to be a problem with most AMOLED screens.

yeah they all do.. n9 is just worse.
i used to think lumia's white was bad after the iphone but when i got the n9 i discovered a new low. It probably pays up in sunlight.. but i can only go by memory right now and cant compare both phones atm because there isnt much sun :) i remember both being pretty good though.

[slansr]

http://t.co/aEAbzgG4

ive no idea how to add an image here in full resolution so i tried my best using twitter, i also broke my sd card so had to take this using my iphone, the difference in real life is actually bigger than on this image, hope you can all see it properly. Its in order from left to right: N9, Lumia 800, Samsung galaxy s2 (just put it there dont judge it too much because its running an unreleased ics and also has three different colour modes which look very different and makes bright images in the browser dimmer and "less white" to save battery, i tried to switch all those features off but maybe i missed some.. in my opinion the lumia looks the best..)
all on max brightness and yes ive switched off the autobrightness setting on the n9.

[qorax]

...What the Lumia is better than the n9 at is the video. N9's video recording ability is two years behind. even though they are both hd recorders the difference is actually HUGE. Lumias video looks exaclty the same on my 15" hi res as the one from iphone 4s(which is awesome) the n9 is really bad at video recording and this is definitely a software issue so lets hope for improvements.

I tend to disagree. I'm not sure how good Lumia's video capabilities r, but the N9 simply marvels in its 720p. Here r two [now famous] 'concert vids' shot by Jari in Turku-Finlad... pls try & poke a fault @ its low-light optics & audio:

Jean Michel Jarre : N9 capture with superb stereo audio!
1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-wBpq0BdDw
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LATHdeq2sG0

Qorax

[slansr]

I tend to disagree. I'm not sure how good Lumia's video capabilities r, but the N9 simply marvels in its 720p. Here r two [now famous] 'concert vids' shot by Jari in Turku-Finlad... pls try & poke a fault @ its low-light optics & audio:

Jean Michel Jarre : N9 capture with superb stereo audio!
1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-wBpq0BdDw
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LATHdeq2sG0

Qorax

you're right the audio is amazing! i havent tested that on the lumia because i mainly concentrate on the image quality.. I'll try to upload one of my n9 videos during the day so that you see what im talking about.. maybe where there's more detail the software cant handle and makes it look quite bad, however at night in the concert where there isnt any detail at all pretty much it looks ok :)

[slansr]

i'll upload to youtube after the rugby match thats on now..

[qorax]

...maybe where there's more detail the software cant handle and makes it look quite bad, however at night in the concert where there isnt any detail at all pretty much it looks ok :)

Sir, any S/V enthusiast would know that capturing 'details' @ low-light is far tedious/problematic for a sensor than in daylight... even if its a CCD or CMOS.

[kureyon]

that any manufacturer who wants to package its OS (Windows or MSDOS) drop other competing OS.Another of their illegal acts was to charge manufacturers for each machine shipped whether or not it was supplied with an MS OS - MS's assumption being that surely no customer would be silly enough to install a superior non-MS OS on a no-OS machine, and hence they must be installing unlicensed copies of MS OS on those machines and so the manufacturers must be made to pay.

Even the mighty IBM, hitherto the masters of unfair competition, had to kowtow to MS when the latter threatened to withhold selling Win95 to IBM.

[qorax]

N9's video capability

And here's daylight video recording by vimeo:
http://vimeo.com/27168719

Note: the Nokia N9 used was pre-production and did not have the final version of the phone firmware.

Qorax

[slansr]

Sir, any S/V enthusiast would know that capturing 'details' @ low-light is far tedious/problematic for a sensor than in daylight... even if its a CCD or CMOS.

i meant information size. Take a video during the day and it will be bigger in size because there's more information to capture therefore you need good software and hardware to process a lot of information.

[slansr]

N9's video capability

And here's daylight video recording by vimeo:
http://vimeo.com/27168719

Note: the Nokia N9 used was pre-production and did not have the final version of the phone firmware.

Qorax
can your n9 actually record like that? Also if you just hold the camera still many phones will do good :) all you have to do is choose the right light and position and just hold still :) in my video i move around and it doesnt look too good. The lumia does better, at least with the movements..

[GrimyHR]

http://t.co/aEAbzgG4

ive no idea how to add an image here in full resolution so i tried my best using twitter, i also broke my sd card so had to take this using my iphone, the difference in real life is actually bigger than on this image, hope you can all see it properly. Its in order from left to right: N9, Lumia 800, Samsung galaxy s2 (just put it there dont judge it too much because its running an unreleased ics and also has three different colour modes which look very different and makes bright images in the browser dimmer and "less white" to save battery, i tried to switch all those features off but maybe i missed some.. in my opinion the lumia looks the best..)
all on max brightness and yes ive switched off the autobrightness setting on the n9.
the first two whites look white, the third is not white but blue and by far the worst...

[jalyst]

yeah they all do.. n9 is just worse.
i used to think lumia's white was bad after the iphone but when i got the n9 i discovered a new low. It probably pays up in sunlight.. but i can only go by memory right now and cant compare both phones atm because there isnt much sun :) i remember both being pretty good though.

LOL that's rubbish, a panel, is a panel, is a panel...

There's huge variations between the N9's panels, & the same is true for the L800's.
The tint, pinkishness, & poor whites you're referring to are well explained in the epic N9 display thread.
It is something that the L800 is most definitely not immune to.

You seem to be making-up FUD in some of your posts, I don't think it's intentional, just misinformed.
This is exactly what I said would happen, which is why this thread belongs in the competitors sub-forum.
It's not even truly informative anymore.....

[slansr]

LOL that's rubbish, a panel, is a panel, is a panel.
There's huge variations between the N9's panels, & the same is true for the L800's.
You seem to be making-up FUD in some of your posts, I don't think it's intentional, just misinformed.
This is exactly what I said would happen, which is why this thread belongs in the competitors sub-forum.
It's not even truly informative anymore.....

mate maybe there is a variation with different phones im only comparing the ones i have on the tests that ive done. so relax im not making anything up just trying to be helpful..

[jalyst]

I'm sure you are genuinely trying to be helpful...
But with no qualifiers accompanying your observations (where needed).
It's actually totally misinforming/misleading people.

[slansr]

I'm sure you are genuinely trying to be helpful...
But with no qualifiers accompanying your observations (where needed).
It's actually totally misinforming/misleading people.

i guess it might appear so. I really have no reason to mislead people :) i'll try to updload as much evidence i can get later on so that people dont feel mislead.

[jalyst]

can your n9 actually record like that? Also if you just hold the camera still many phones will do good :) all you have to do is choose the right light and position and just hold still :) in my video i move around and it doesnt look too good. The lumia does better, at least with the movements..

DD confirmed there was issues with the motion algorithm & would be corrected.
Can't recall where it was now, think it may have been this article or in the comments, well worth reading the entire thing.
http://shootspeak.com/2011/10/07/2-camera-shots-comparison-%E2%80%93-nokia-n9-vs-samsung-galaxy-s2/
Also, having no 2-stage camera button, I think the N9's slightly more susceptible to handshake.

[ibrakalifa]

nokia statement is no more meego device, but hey indeed its maemo6, or nokia is killed maemo too? *sigh

[slansr]

what i want to add is simply that i will use my lumia or my RAZR untill PR1.2 comes out.. its just that it's ui is too slow for me i want it to be snappier.. n9 looks like the phone that should've come out a long time ago and compete with iphone 4. and if you are going to make a single core processor phone it should be accompanied by a fast OS like the lumia and WP7. Thats just my opinion not to get anyone offended or mislead.

[Lumiaman]

Lumia is good if you want hassle free stylish phone that does a lot of things out of the box and has amazing email interface. Its good for the vast majority out there. For the more adventurous, N9 is great. GPS on Lumia is great too and Nokia drive spectacular

[slansr]

the first two whites look white, the third is not white but blue and by far the worst...

SGS2 on ICS makes your browser pages look blue-ish on purpose i tried to switch it off and thought i did but on the picture it looks like i didnt :) ignore that one then

[jalyst]

Stability & "snapiness" wise it's not quite there yet.
1.1 improved things a lot, but there's still some way to go.
It's roughly where WP7.0 was before hitting 7.5.
Also much of the perceived snapiness in 7.5, can be put down to how the UI handles transitions.
It's just not used to the same effect in many places on Maemo 6x.

[pycage]

nokia statement is no more meego device, but hey indeed its maemo6, or nokia is killed maemo too? *sigh

Yeah sure, they killed Maemo with MeeGo and MeeGo with WP. Then they started with Meltemi.

[asadkhan1988]

white nokia n9 has been placed back in its packaging in favor of nokia lumia 800

the n9, as others have mentioned, just seems dull/slow to use.

lumia 800 is really an excellent phone and battery life, as i mentioned before, is on par, if not better than the nokia n9

excited for lumia 900

[Dave999]

Yeah sure, they killed Maemo with MeeGo and MeeGo with WP. Then they started with Meltemi.

Will be interesting to see what they are using to kill WP next year.

EDIT: what's going on with Meltemi?

[marxian]

Will be interesting to see what they are using to kill WP next year.

I suggest fire. :)


EDIT: what's going on with Meltemi?

As Paul Daniels would say, 'not a lot'. When they announce some devices, then I'll be interested. It shouldn't take them long, really. All they need to do is give Harmattan a lick of paint and stick it on some low/mid-range phones.

[timoph]

I'm using lumia 800 as my work phone and the n9 as my personal phone So I quess I can share a couple of thoughts...

IMO lumia beats the n9 in one thing: exchange integration. Would be quite funny if it didn't...

since windows phones don't have real multitasking, etc. it keeps the UI responsive while the n9's UI lags a bit every now and then. The responsivity of the windows phone comes with a big hit on usability. The UI design on the windows phone isn't really that good and the missing multitasking just makes the problem worse so usability/UI design points go to the N9 6 - 0.

There's a lot more applications available to windows phone but the amount of quality applications is about the same (for my use) with one big difference: there is no terminal or a good ssh client for windows phone (there's one decent 3€ ssh client application). For me this is a big thing and limits usage of the windows phone too much.

Both devices are missing one important thing: hardware keyboard.

For me N9 is the clear winner.

[ibrakalifa]

Yeah sure, they killed Maemo with MeeGo and MeeGo with WP. Then they started with Meltemi.

what a mess, so nokia is really doing suicide then, nokia kill himself, niceeee doneee nokia, :D

[jalyst]

white nokia n9 has been placed back in its packaging in favor of nokia lumia 800

the n9, as others have mentioned, just seems dull/slow to use.

lumia 800 is really an excellent phone and battery life, as i mentioned before, is on par, if not better than the nokia n9

excited for lumia 900

You're all over the place, just a day ago in another thread you said the opposite.
You said you were going back to N9. And before that you said you back to the L800.

[pycage]

EDIT: what's going on with Meltemi?

Well, it's the super-secret Linux project everybody is talking about.
Qt 5 and "Internet for the next billion"...
I don't know much about it either, but I know that it's real and not just rumours.

[asadkhan1988]

You're all over the place, just a day ago in another thread you said the opposite.
You said you were going back to N9. And before that you said you back to the L800.

jalyst,

with the comments you have just written, you could have come to the conclusion that i tried the lumia 800 for some time, then gave the n9 another shot, due to getting the white nokia n9, and then went back to lumia 800 as i prefer it over the n9.

i can choose to use whichever handset i please, which is why i made the expenditures to acquire the handsets.

nokia n9 was my favorite handset, nothing was designed like it and nothing felt like it, until i got my hands on the heavier, seemingly more build quality nokia lumia 800.

you seem like people have to just like one phone and stick to it and be stubborn as to nothing can ever be better. not the way i live my life sir.

[jalyst]

until i got my hands on the heavier, seemingly more build quality nokia lumia 800.

That's funny....
Since the L800 was built by compal w/a slightly different injunction mould process.

I seem to recall the write-ups indicating the N9 was built w/a slightly superior process.
Mainly by virtue of the fact that is wasn't sub-contracted out...

But yes, the 800's weight is slightly higher, it's a matter of 7grams.
I fail to see how that has much to do with build quality though.

you seem like people have to just like one phone and stick to it and be stubborn as to nothing can ever be better. not the way i live my life sir.

Nope, I have 2 smartphones ATM.
And I will have a few more soon.
I just have a pretty good BS detector.
As long as you're 100% straight.
It usually doesn't go off....

[GrimyHR]

jalyst,

with the comments you have just written, you could have come to the conclusion that i tried the lumia 800 for some time, then gave the n9 another shot, due to getting the white nokia n9, and then went back to lumia 800 as i prefer it over the n9.

i can choose to use whichever handset i please, which is why i made the expenditures to acquire the handsets.

nokia n9 was my favorite handset, nothing was designed like it and nothing felt like it, until i got my hands on the heavier, seemingly more build quality nokia lumia 800.

you seem like people have to just like one phone and stick to it and be stubborn as to nothing can ever be better. not the way i live my life sir.
you do realise that this is mostly FOSS community and that anything as closed as windows phone will be met with blinding rage and hate here,even if it is almost as good as nokias s40 like windows phone is :p

[asadkhan1988]

That's funny....
Since the L800 was built by compal w/a slightly different injunction mould process.

I seem to recall the write-ups indicating the N9 was built w/a slightly superior process.
Mainly by virtue of the fact that is wasn't sub-contracted out...

But yes, the 800's weight is slightly higher, it's a matter of 7grams.
I fail to see how that has much to do with build quality though.



Nope. I have 2 at the moment.
Will have a few more soon.
I just have a pretty good BS detector.
As long as you're 100% straight.
It usually doesn't go off....


and what is it i am not being straight about?

have you never learned not to anoint yourself good @ anything? let others decide your qualities instead of creating them on your own.

[jalyst]

and what is it i am not being straight about?

Oh I dunno....
Maybe it's the fact that people have pulled-you-up several times on things that were blatantly wrong.
So just a general impression one can quickly get by reading those threads/posts.

It could be entirely harmless though, you may have genuinely been clueless on those points.
I CBF'd digging it all up, its on the record if people want to read around...

have you never learned not to anoint yourself good @ anything? let others decide your qualities instead of creating them on your own.

Eh?

10 Chars

[inte]

I find the lumia GUI quite ugly.
Everything displayed takes so much space, like that you can only see 4 contacts at a time. The user has actually to scroll all the time to gather the same amount of informations he could catch on the N9 or comparable devices with one view.
Plus, even though it's smooth, it's rather slow - e.g. hold the Lumia next to your N9 or Symbian phone and open the contacts. While on the Nokias, the contacts will appear instantly, you will have to wait for the animations to finish on the Microsoft Lumia first.
And, what bothers me most is that there is no free access to the device, the only way to sync contacts is through hotmail or exchange and the only way to instal apps is through the Microsoft market, which is not only the smallest compared to apple, Android and ovi, but also the most expensive one.
I cannot recommend windows phone at all!

[www.rzr.online.fr]

Is any one using both ?


BTW, will trade lumia800 for a n9{x0} ...

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1304623#post1304623

[Lumiaman]

Don't be defensive, jaloo is a child who needs pacifier and one of the biggest anti-Nokia trolls. To set the record straight, Lumia construction IS superior to N9. Period. I had 4 N9s and all inferior to my two Lumias. 800 is a great little phone ...i only wished for adjustable font sizes that 920 has...

[Lumiaman]

You're all over the place, just a day ago in another thread you said the opposite.
You said you were going back to N9. And before that you said you back to the L800.

Who cares what he said. He is allowed to say whatever he wants. Go do your homework.