Oh no! they killed the N800! You bastards!

[Karel Jansens]

http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/14/samsungs-sgh-f700-gets-really-official-on-vodafone/

Actually, this one kinda sends ever so slight shivers down my spine.

Anyone found out what O/S is churning away in this beastie's belly?

[johnkzin]

How does this kill the N800?

The slide-out keyboard is nice, but it's not ergonomically a good mechanism (but, the ergonomically good way to do it makes the device bigger: see the pepper pad series). I prefer something like the micro-laptop with rotating screen form factor (gateway makes a laptop like this, and HTC makes a cell phone like it).

A real camera would be nice, sure. But that's not what I was looking for when I bought an N800.

Real cell phone instead of skype? meh. It would be nice to have real cell phone + non-vendor-specific-SIP phone software + vendor-specific-VOIP-software options (ie. I could pick Skype OR Vonage, etc.). But, ultimately, I didn't buy my N800 to be a phone. I don't plan to _ever_ activate its Skype capability. The main attractive feature, to me, for having real cell capability would be for persistent internet connectivity.


What I wanted was a PDA that I can use for email, ssh, and web browsing ... and do local work on it when I'm away from wireless connectivity. It also had to have bluetooth keyboard capability or a built in physical keyboard. Oh, and I have a STRONG preference for it being *nix based. It was N800 vs iPhone vs iPod-Touch. The keyboard thing is mostly what ruled out the Apple products.

If that device ALSO has those things, great. But that doesn't suddenly make my N800 obsolete.

Further, the next generation of the N800 series, if an on-line mockup is to be believed, will also have a slide-out keyboard. Now if they'd only put a real IMAP client on it (I took for granted that "has IMAP" was good enough ... and it's not. The N800's built in IMAP is basically "POP behavior via IMAP protocol", which is not acceptable.)

[YoDude]

http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/14/samsungs-sgh-f700-gets-really-official-on-vodafone/

Actually, this one kinda sends ever so slight shivers down my spine.

Anyone found out what O/S is churning away in this beastie's belly?

Not Windows...

Samsung ULTRA smart F700 Q3 .

Specifications
Standard HSDPA 7.2Mbps, EDGE

Camera 5 Megapixel with Auto-Focus
Display 262744 TFT (2.78”, 440x240)
Features Full Touch Screen
MPEG4/H.263/H.264/Real
MP3/AAC(+)/eAAC+/Real
QWERTY Keypad
MMS/E-mail/JAVA/WAP 2.0
Bluetooth® / USB
Flash UI / Document Viewer
Full HTML Browsing
Offline Mode, BGM
Memory microSD™
Size 104 x 50 x 16.4 mm

"Flash" UI ???

No WiFi, not tri-band.

[Karel Jansens]

How does this kill the N800?

You're new here, right?

[Karel Jansens]

Not Windows...

Pfhew...

"Flash" UI ???

Yeah, that one baffled me as well. Especially as the UI is supposed to be "cross", or "croix" for the terminally kewl. You notice how they managed to sneak in cross-shaped UI elements everywhere? It's supposed to be very suave, but I'm guessing this thing ain't gonna fly in Mohammed-country. Or maybe Samsung 'll do a banana-version as well? Sorry: crescent moon.

No WiFi, not tri-band.

It were only ever so slight shivers. I'm still reserving my really big shivers for the OpenMoko crowd.

[YoDude]

Yeah, that one baffled me as well. Especially as the UI is supposed to be "cross", or "croix" for the terminally kewl. You notice how they managed to sneak in cross-shaped UI elements everywhere? It's supposed to be very suave, but I'm guessing this thing ain't gonna fly in Mohammed-country. Or maybe Samsung 'll do a banana-version as well? Sorry: crescent moon.

Lol...

This "Flash" Ui is apparently on the Samsung Prada phone, whatever that might be.

http://ericheuk.wordpress.com/2007/05/11/prada/

^ check out the little fishies... Pretty cool.

[tso]

flash ui huh. thats shockwave flash. they use it to liven up the ui. it also indicate that its mmost probably running samsungs in-house os rather then some big name smartphone os.

[YoDude]

flash ui huh. thats shockwave flash. they use it to liven up the ui. it also indicate that its mmost probably running samsungs in-house os rather then some big name smartphone os.

Then do they pay a license to Adobe and still develop their own code for the other stuff?

I did notice that the flash objects were only manipulated and displayed one at a time.

Also, the menu hierarchy seemed pretty basic. (I'm assuming that is the in-house OS you are referring to.)

[Traecer]

By the AllSpark, when are these threads going to stop?

[HeebieJeebie]

VERY interesting. I'd also like to know what specific OS it is running. Definitley has my attention although I doubt it will ever reach US shores.

[ysss]

By the AllSpark, when are these threads going to stop?

Don't mess with our tradition. There's even a specific forum section dedicated for it called 'Competitors'.

[Traecer]

Don't mess with our tradition. There's even a specific forum section dedicated for it called 'Competitors'.

Yeah, but can't the thread topics be more like "Interesting phone X" or "Tablet-like device Y" and not "Oh look what killed the N800 today!" OTOH, I suppose the tradition of inflamatory subjects gets everyone reading and posting, so I guess I'll just have to endure the Dvorakization.

[Rebski]

Dvorakization? I thought it was called humour.

[tso]

unless your aware of it, irony&sarcasm is hard to pick up online at times...

[Karel Jansens]

unless your aware of it, irony&sarcasm is hard to pick up online at times...

A bit like herpes, huh?

[YoDude]

Dvorakization? I thought it was called humour.

Did he "invent" that too?

[Karel Jansens]

By the AllSpark, when are these threads going to stop?

Never, I tells you! Never!!!!

http://www.hot-stuff-costumes.com/halloween/SoundClips/evillaugh.wav

[Milhouse]

My guess is it's using Flash Lite (designed for mobile phones) and could well be using an in-house OS, or perhaps Symbian or Linux. Developing yet-another-in-house OS would seem foolhardy these days - what would be the point?

Mini review here (http://www.mobilegazette.com/samsung-f700-07x02x10.htm) which speculates the OS might be Linux - Samsung aren't saying.

[tso]

well i dont recall samsung using much symbian or linux, so if its not inhouse its windows mobile imo.

[Garage Battle]

the OS its running is code named 'Croix'. It refers to its ability to work in a 'cross' style pattern.

it won some award for being amazingly easy to use, and will be found in many of Samsungs upcoming touch projects.

[testerj]

I actually wish there was a device out there to kill the n800 but this one seems prehistoric... no wi-fi? get with it...

sorry but I don't even see the point this thread was created... not personal, but you must have been bored sh&tless

[fpp]

No, he just has a sense of humour that not everyone here can relate to...

[dan67sf]

Very, Very funny, it took me awhile to get the humor but I get it now ha-ha-ha-ha.

[iball]

No wi-fi? DOA for me then.
I guess Nokia's products have somehow "spoiled" me.
I refuse to buy a phone that doesn't have built-in wi-fi and VoIP capability, and those two things should be STANDARD on a real touchscreen device.
I mean, it's just too damn easy to do...SIP is pretty much an open standard now.

[TA-t3]

well i dont recall samsung using much symbian or linux, so if its not inhouse its windows mobile imo.
Actually I think Samsung has used almost any mobile OS under the sky, at least when you include the Asian market. They're pretty agnostic about it. Or that's what I've heard anyway.