Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 

I predict the update will be postponed by (at least) another week.

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 

join the betting and pick a date?

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 

Best guess: Ensure that this is on one line:

ExecStart=/bin/sh -c "/bin/echo 'performance' > /sys/devices/platform/kgsl-3d0.0/kgsl/kgsl-3d0/pwrscale/trustzone/governor"


Nano seems to sometimes add line-breaks where it shouldnt (you can add -w to prevent this)

So, please ensure that this is ONE line

ExecStart=/bin/sh -c "/bin/echo 'performance' > /sys/devices/platform/kgsl-3d0.0/kgsl/kgsl-3d0/pwrscale/trustzone/governor"

I added a .txt file to my post, that you may use

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 

At least part of the reason for this was likely that standard development practices, at least while I was working on Harmattan, involved a lot of reflashing. Daily, or more often, depending on how often you were multitasking in some cases. I was pretty resistant to this, but especially earlier on, it was hard to avoid.

Jolla on the other hand has been much more focused on getting upgrade paths working from the start. I reflashed my N950 a sum total of, I think 3 times, from when I started hacking on Sailfish in 2012 to when I retired it mid 2013. My Jolla devices have been a similar experience: I haven't often managed to get into a situation where I need a reflash, and when I have, it's generally been thanks to me doing something stupid not that I'd ever screw up my homescreen without USB rescue mode enabled, or anything..

This isn't to say that we're perfect, I'm sure we've made mistakes, but just that at least for a number of us, updating is a core part of how we work - not reflashing - and if the upgrade experience isn't smooth, we'd like to know why.

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 

This is the GPU, not CPU governor. CPU governor is at:
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor

(and related tunables). The second core is also at cpu1, but 'mpdecision' (a qualcomm binary) will leave it switched off, thus, the sys entries won't be there a lot of the time unless you explicitly power it on, iirc something like:

echo 1 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online

Note that while altering the GPU governor doesn't seem to have much impact on battery (more studies ongoing, which is why we don't alter it by default at this time), the CPU governor has a very real chance to mess with your battery life, as currently, it clocks down to minimum frequency very fast when idle.

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 

I have not encountered that kind of behaviour, altough I have used the "send-dtmf-coded-numbers" with several different companies automated phone services.

Does your touchscreen feel otherwice "too sensitive" or something? It could be caused by HW failure of course, or by something you have installed on the device?

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 

Thanks, the service script should be easy to modify :)

Yes, I noticed that, unfortunately ? changing that paramter has no effect, it is reset to '0' immediately.

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 

Does this mean that while the Jolla device is dualcore by HW, only 1 core is currently running on the device?

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 

hmm something goes wrong by me:


[root@localhost ~]# systemctl status cpug.service
cpug.service - Change CPU Govenor performance
Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/cpug.service; enabled)
Active: inactive (dead) since Mon, 17 Mar 2014 13:33:01 +0100; 11s ago
Process: 2313 ExecStart=/bin/sh -c /bin/echo 'performance' > /sys/devices/platform/kgsl-3d0.0/kgsl/kgsl-3d0/pwrscale/trustzone/governor (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
CGroup: name=systemd:/system/cpug.service




i check the line and its in one line not two.

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 

I think it is good, the service is only supposed to run once after boot.

You can confirm with
cat /sys/devices/platform/kgsl-3d0.0/kgsl/kgsl-3d0/pwrscale/trustzone/governor

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 

the version of systemd currently on the phone - will it ever get updated? i'm looking for calendar time events. want to use systemd to schedule time- based events.

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 

Quick update on the status of the "out of beta" release:
So, lets see what is "early" for Jolla ;)

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 

Afaik the mpdecision binary handles the online state by default, so you might need to stop it first.

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 

i use systemd for prey, it updates every hour. Seems to work. Allthough there is a small issue when phone 'is sleeping'

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 

early must be Monday or possibly Tuesday. But is Tuesday really considered as early? Possibly if is before lunch...

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 

get info
"performance"

looks good. But i feel nothing better :D dont know why... maybe the BB-Messanger (Android) Loads faster :)

thanks for it :)

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 

Or possibly a screen protector? I've had some dodgy screen protectors in the past on some phones.

At the moment, on my Jolla, I'm using a 3M based screen protector which seems quite good so far. I've not scratched it and apart from being a couple of mm short top and bottom, fits well.

http://www.protectionfilms24.com/art...a-1509825.html

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 

A lot of the time, yes. It's turned on when mpdecision decides there's sufficient work to warrant it.

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 

Also true. It's been a while since I've had to do this, obviously :)

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 

As you can see from my userprofile, I'm not in Europe, and due to the peculiar combo of frequencies which carriers here use and the frequencies supported by Jolla (both hardware & software limitations at the moment!) I'm currently stuck on 2G. I don't need LTE - 3G is good enough for me as you suggest - but I can't have 3G.I have actually changed carriers in order to be able to get Jolla onto a mobile network at all.

It's painful waiting 20 seconds (count them... 1... 2... 3...) just to download some jpeg photo my family sent me in an email. If you don't believe me, try living with 2G. It's still a miracle of science, but it's a slow and irritating miracle of science in 2014.

Still, "not in Europe" does pretty much mean that Jolla doesn't care about me as a customer. I accept this, not because I like it, but because I can't change it.

Why would people in Europe want it? Because they paid for a device which supports LTE but don't have it. That's a good enough reason.

I hope that answers your question.

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 

4G is widely available in cities like London where I am currently living. A large amount of friends use 4G in devices like the Z10 etc without having serious deterioration of their battery life etc. The difference in data speeds is simply huge.

4G support is something that can really add value not in terms of silly spec-wars arguments but most importantly in terms of user experience. I think it is also making the phone a bit more future proof and along with an optimized OS it should make the "smartphone" experience even more smooth and intuitive.

I don't mind waiting a bit for 4G support to be enabled but since the 4G support has been announced from day 1, I think most of the people would like it sooner rather than later, as something that the phone supports "out of the box".

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 

You bought a Jolla device?!

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 

I've realised that my most-wished for thing from this update is: stability! Yesterday afternoon my Jolla got stuck in some weird boot loop while I was out shopping for groceries. Not the end of the world, but pretty inconvenient. After watching me swear and poke at the device for 15 minutes, my wife suggested removing/replacing the battery.

"That. Won't. Work." I hissed. "I saw on TMO that it doesn't help."

"Well maybe..."

"OK, OK, fine."

So yep, that did help. Probably Murphy's Law at work.

My most-wished for new feature after stability is usable contacts & calendar integration. I spent 2.5 years with the N9 making daily use of thp's superb billboard customisation of the OLED screen; my upcoming events were visible just by removing the device from my pocket or glancing at it on the desk.

As it stands now, there's no OLED screen (OK) but I can't send events back up to the online calendar service (not OK), there's no way to view upcoming appointments on the first screen I see when I pull the device out of my pocket (not OK) and the calendar app is sorely lacking (meh). To download new contacts it's currently necessary to disable and then re-enable the contact service in settings (feeble, but I can live with that for now I guess). So that sort of basic stuff is #2 on my wishlist right after "be a device I can trust as my main device".

On a brighter note, I'd like once again to thank w00t for taking the time to come here and dispense technical wisdom. It's a lovely bit of yang to the yin of my "impatient nerd-rage" :)

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 

As we are discussing the coming update and the release dates - I always had the feeling that Jolla should be able to update certain core applications separately from the system - e.g. Mail, People or Maps. Also some other components as well. So why wait for OS release? Update the application as fast as possible.
Also people around are speaking about waiting ensures release "not being buggy", "perfect release" etc. - there is NO such option! It will ALWAYS have issues and room for optimization. In the current state of Jolla(the device) it is hard to accept delays as many issues are really nasty. It is not like "desperately needing folders in launcher". I refer here to random reboots&shutdowns, numerous connection issues and missing core functions. Many of these make the device unusable for large number of early adopters.
Do not take this as a rant, but just as a questions being asked and needing more explanation. :)
And thanks to @w00t for the answers he spends time to give here!

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 

Totally agree with that feeling :)

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 

I guess there are still more core things that need improvement and the flexible/modular updates on a per application basis will be happening later in the future when the OS is more stable overall and hopefully Jolla is larger and has more resources to work on even more things at the same time.

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 

Can I ask how you finally got ahold of a jolla phone? I'd like to get one too, but I'm in the US

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 

Thank you for putting this so much more eloquently than I did a few pages back. In the heat of the moment when you are left without a functioning phone and a family member questions your sanity on travelling to a foreign country just to collect it, the temptation to have a rant on TMO can become to much to resist :)

Not long to wait now though.

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 

After Jolla customer care totally failed (twice!) to answer my Zendesk question about changing my address to an EU address...

...and after I was done sulking for a month or two...

...I decided to acquire a Jolla phone anyway, so I asked my relatives in the UK to buy one. Then I visited the UK and "borrowed" it from them on a more-or-less permanent basis. I was already visiting the UK (I have relatives there, remember?) so it wasn't that much of an expense.

Technically it's not even my device, because it's registered to my relative, who also paid for it. Why did I do it like that? Well, Jolla customer care closed my ticket saying something asinine like "we don't cover your market right now but stay tuned!" when I asked if I could change my profile address to one in the EU and re-start my order.

If it wasn't for people like w00t - and the total lack of compelling alternative for my next device - I would probably still be sulking and wondering how long before my N9 dies.

In fact, I'm still going to look after my N9 very carefully, because without significant improvement I can't imagine living with the Jolla as a long-term device. I have enough stress in my life already, and I need a device which doesn't reboot unexpectedly, and which will tell me reliably what I am supposed to be doing next Thursday etc. etc. :rolleyes:

Still - very excited about the potential of Sailfish. I guess it's the eternal battle: open vs. closed, exciting vs. reliable, love vs. reason, Alfa Romeo vs. Toyota Corolla...

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 

Been tested the 4G compatibility by radio switcher, It works nicely in first release global city Hong Kong

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 

kimmo just tweeted eta of update this evening:
@LiKimmo: #jolla update 5 Ohijärvi - ETA later this evening (EET)

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 

@shallimus

After reading your/others latest insights, I'm definitely not in any rush to get a Jolla...
It seems they still have LOTS more growing-up to do, I just hope they can keep-up the pace sufficiently.
September or later is when I'll bite, assuming they're acknowledging regions outside the EU by then.
In my case, Oceania(Australasia)....

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 

IT Will come today becouse stskeeps visiting this thread all the time today...

Im fully charged and ready for update any second now...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7Rj1J5I19c...1600/title.jpg

Possible to add an community countdown...to the release.

http://i48.tinypic.com/f1ljc4.jpg

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 

(keeping in mind that releasing is not typically my problem, so I'm not an expert..) We do have that capability to some extent, but it's a hard problem, especially given that it then results in a large explosion in the number of combinations we have to test with the same rather small pool of resources: "is library at foo, or foo+2, or foo+3?"

So essentially, it all boils down to testing. If we manage to get the releases out reasonably quickly, it shouldn't matter all that much anyway.

Well, yes, but there's a line in the sand between acceptable, and unacceptable. You can't release until you cross that quality line unless you want a lot of very angry people. :)

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 

Thanks to you (& others) for your kind words, but I'd like to take a moment to emphasize that this is very much a team effort. We're all rowing together, all responsible for our good synergy, juju, whatever you want to call it. Everyone deserves praise equally, I'm just a small humble part of a greater movement.

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 

But one notable thing is that you are active here.

I have seen some people get pretty agitated at times (especially when expecting an upcoming release...) and your being here & answering questions seems to calm things down a bit :D

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 

If that's true I shall put my Jolla on charge now

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 

Just remember. Only 2G in US. I tried the radio switcher and on 4G, it does not connect to anything. I am on T-Mobile USA. I went through great length of trouble to get this bad boy in USA to use it on 2G network. :-)

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 

@w00t
Thank you for taking your time to reply to my "rant" :)
I was aware of the reasons for partial updates not being used, just that the waiting for stability fixes come too much when I had to reboot my phone 4 times today to solve various issues and lock-ups and thus missing business calls and wasting time. :)
Thank you once again for your support here!

Re: Sailfish now on 1.0 (Jolla MWC announcement)
 

Early week definition is mid day tomorrow according to internet. After sun reaching its peek on the sky it's mid week. The question is where. I would assume above jolla office but I'm not sure. Internet doesn't specify...