Re: Ubuntu updates on hold until switch to snap is ready.
 

Mark Shuttleworth just wrote that he was wrong and that his efforts to create something better were seen as creating fragmentation instead. Could it be? Has he finally realised? Will Canonical start contributing upstream?

Re: Ubuntu updates on hold until switch to snap is ready.
 

I see one miracle - Shuttleworth admitting something wrong. I won't expect more.

Re: Ubuntu updates on hold until switch to snap is ready.
 

Fail.

How I would note to Mark Shuttleworth:

Stated:
This is a flawed perspective in so many ways.

• Community could have been onboarded.
• That alone would have made it possible for
  Industry to have been persuaded.
• Your alpha community is your best sales force.

The mistakes, more than just a single point of failure,
(or even this brief list)
are collectively what ended this effort before it even had a chance.

• Killing Multitasking is like
  amputating your legs before a marathon.
  Easy to arrange, but how daft was that ?
  The lack of multitasking ended interest
  that could have driven much more developer participation.
  
  
• More community is lost because
  the sourcecode was mollycoddled to the point
  where participation requires an act of god.
  We who would help are left standing outside the gate of
  'create yet another login account ++ password and then!
  - establish the credibility of who we are and what we would contribute'.
  That may fit the perversion of opensource you live by,
  but it fails the definition of the opensource others of us strive for:
  
  Quote:

  "The open-source model is a decentralized development model that encourages open collaboration."

• Mir could have succeeded if egos involved had not
  pissed off everyone else in the linux universe with unbridled arrogance.
  

What the Unity8 team has delivered so far is glamorous crippleware
lacking the simple ability to cooperate with anything
created by anyone simply coding for the rest of the linux universe.

Touch was not true-spirited opensource,
Mir does not collaborate,
and UT cannot even chew gum and walk at the same time.


Not wanting to demean Shuttleworth or whoever:
as flawed as the effort was,
the fact that they even made the effort is truly appreciable.
Whatever else they may have earned,
maybe some of us can leave the derision behind now.
( Thanks for showing everyone the way not forward ? )


Posting it here for posterity, :D
knowing that it is safely hidden away :cool:
from the frothing hordes over on ubuntu.com

Edit:
I was wrong (and I am quite okay with admitting it!)
about Ubuntu ignoring their MIR issues,
and that alone gives hope for the future

Re: Ubuntu updates on hold until switch to snap is ready.
 

I think this is a good move, it means that MIR is dead. MIR created an unnecessary rift in the Linux ecosystem. In fact we should have started moving to Wayland years ago, the fact that we are just NOW beginning migrating over is pathetic. We should have started earlier and dealt with the 'pain' that such an architectural change brings rather than dealing with it now. In fact MIR probably caused some of this delay due to the uncertainty that it created for driver makers.

Re: Ubuntu updates on hold until switch to snap is ready.
 

The whole concept of Linux distributions needs to come to an end. There can be different builds to different hardware configurations and needs but having thousands of linux distros is a waste of time and resources. It's unnecessary duplicated effort.

Re: Ubuntu updates on hold until switch to snap is ready.
 

some people here will tell you that it's great to have a choice...........
becuse it's to difficult to change wallpaper and install some apps :D
and wayland........ well it works on jolla because everything is made with wayland in mind. But on desktops......... I don't see desktop without xwayland for a quite some time.

Re: Ubuntu updates on hold until switch to snap is ready.
 

There is actually just a handful of "real" full fledged distros - those that are their own entity, with their own infrastructure, robust release process, support for upgrading between releases, actual QA, prompt handling of vulnerabilities, regular tracking of upstream releases, etc.

Then there are also a few specialized distros (embedded, security, forensic, etc.), but those are often variants of the few "real" distros.

Also, if you need something for enterprise use (10+ year release lifetime, professional support, API stability guarantees, software & hardware certification, etc.) - there is basically RHEL, maybe SLES - and that's it. :)

So hardly thousands of actual standalone distros. :)

Re: Ubuntu updates on hold until switch to snap is ready.
 

And it's not so much about gazilion of distros, it's about apps that require the whole #%*/# DE as dependency. Or they also pull bunch of development tools.

Re: Ubuntu updates on hold until switch to snap is ready.
 

OR you roll your own. Which is being done, and indeed by large companies. Even to the extremes that there are some very large companies that have three different LFS distributions (not to mention some other OS'es as a sidedish)

Why reinvent the wheel? Well, we are in the wheel-inventing business :D