Re: Telegram on N900- a free,cloud-based, decentralized and heavily encrypted WhatsApp like app
 

If you analize it objectively, it has no benefits over the rest of closed/crap IM systems.

Yes, it has an open client (which is not what is used for the official ones), but so have any of the IM systems which use XMPP as protocol (even Whatsapp technically has open clients, some of them available on this forum).

But despite what their owners are saying, it is fully centralized, and it is not federated. The owners can do anything, including but not limited to changing the protocol, the rules and the license. They can close the service at their whim and there's nothing you can do about it. The service may at any later date start including features you don't like (e.g. someone 'leaks' russian signals intelligence has 'influenced' some of its design) and you won't be able to move from the service without losing communication with your existing contacts.

And obviously let's not enter into the fake security features. The best that can be said is that they're not worse than Whatscrap. And that's not saying much.


Out of curisity, so what's attracting you to this service, versus, opening an account on any jabber server and using the client that's built-in in _every_ Maemo/Sailfish version released to date?

Re: Telegram on N900- a free,cloud-based, decentralized and heavily encrypted WhatsApp like app
 

Great Coderus thank for that :)

Re: Telegram on N900- a free,cloud-based, decentralized and heavily encrypted WhatsApp like app
 

As a former jabber server owner, my sentiments precisely. However, what attracts folk to all these centralised cloud apps is ubiquity and automation - in the Whatsapp/telegram case, the address automation (the very thing "we" object to!). No looking up, searching, persuading friends to open account. Yeah, trivial I know, once you know how...

Re: Telegram on N900- a free,cloud-based, decentralized and heavily encrypted WhatsApp like app
 

I just trust Durov and his initiatives. He is a person you can trust with no doubt.

Re: Telegram on N900- a free,cloud-based, decentralized and heavily encrypted WhatsApp like app
 

how to install telegram in nokia n900 ????????
can anybody give me full information step by step.. thnk u.. :)

Re: Telegram on N900- a free,cloud-based, decentralized and heavily encrypted WhatsApp like app
 

do you know what "cli" means?

Re: Telegram on N900- a free,cloud-based, decentralized and heavily encrypted WhatsApp like app
 

there's a webapp zhukov.github.io/webogram/

Re: Telegram on N900- a free,cloud-based, decentralized and heavily encrypted WhatsApp like app
 

And i'll wait for someone make GUI for this application...

Re: Telegram on N900- a free,cloud-based, decentralized and heavily encrypted WhatsApp like app
 

A GUI wouldn't be needed. It has got an open API and open protocol, so it could be integrated in N900 messaging like jabber, skype, msn... wich would be great :)

Open clients for various platforms, open API, and open protocol. Official clients are open too, with GPLv2 licence. https://telegram.org/apps

Sure? They even talk about location of their servers around the world. Or maybe you are talking about the control of the servers (wich are closed source and cannot be implemented (except by reverse engineering)).

And the world could end, but it is not predicted yet. Free sowftware community could then fork last GPLv2 version and do reverse engineering for the servers.

The actual situation is that most of the people use Whatsapp and only we, the geeks using other things... Having an open protocol wich can be implemented wherever you like and with promises of good privacy protection is great and much better than actual situation. Telegram is getting very popular, and while defeating Whatsapp is difficult, maybe is doable. Most of people don't worry about privacy or openess but about not having to pay 1$/year. It's stupid, they pay much more for the mobile service, but I don't care while I get an open, widely used and privacy respectful IM.

Maybe their protocol could be broken, and his prize for whoever cracks their protocol isn't doable because of the asked conditions. There are criticism about that, and some unclear debate, but for sure, his security is better than Whatsapp easy crackable one.

Mainly, the people. I am using Whatsapp (Yappari, thanks Scorpius ;)) in my N900 with restriction of the contacts I send to Whatsapp Inc. to synchronize and without using it in open wifis. Most of my friends don't use another thing and some got angry with me when I tried to convince them about other alternatives, privacy concerns, openness...

Re: Telegram on N900- a free,cloud-based, decentralized and heavily encrypted WhatsApp like app
 

Did this ever happen? Even though... people would still use the official closed version (they probably wouldn't even notice the change - it would update automagically on their mobiles) or move to other WhatsCrapp... It always worked this way for hype-based apps.

I agree with javispedro herem that is nothing better than previous situation... "better" and "for geeks" would be own hosted and well protected+encrypted xmpp server. Unless your definition of geek is close to "person who follows all technical hypes regardless of whether the hype is clever or stupid", i.e. "sheep".

edit: i don't want to seem rude or attacking, that's just bitter truth based on my experiences