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shallimus 2011-10-19 03:39

"Why I will be buying an N9" and other stories
 
Why I am buying an N9

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Absolutely I'm buying an N9. As soon as I can find</praise> a sane and reliable method of getting a 64GB to me in Toronto, I will do just that.

Of course, no thanks whatsoever to Nokia on the sales & distribution front, I am sad to say.

Nevertheless: why wouldn't I? Based on everything I have read and seen, I consider that the N9 is the closest thing to the phone I actually want that exists now or that will exist during the foreseeable future.

Of course, the N9 is also a bittersweet taste of what might have been... but that doesn't mean it isn't sweet and delicious. It is both of those things and more.


Why is it so hard to buy an N9?

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So why oh why is it so f... antastically hard to buy one? I have money set aside just for this (and I have done for some time). As others have said: "Nokia, please, take my money!" Do you really expect me to pay you anything (other than a scant disregard) if you try to sell me the idea of Windows in my pocket? Yeah, right. Don't count on it. WP's unreleased sales figures would probably second that.

Please tell me that Microsoft's survival plan isn't the reason I will have to go through so much to get an N9. Please also tell me that Nokia management know their current long-term strategy from a hole in the ground.

I mean, who wouldn't love to believe fervently in both of those concepts?

In the end, what's done is done. I'm just not buying what Microkia is selling. Windows? On my person 24/7? Really? No thanks. I use Windows both at work and at home, but I always have the feeling that there's stuff going on which no sysadmin tool will show me. That's why it doesn't belong in my pocket, and also why Windows does not belong in the world's pocket either.
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The N9 isn't perfect

So: back to the N9. It's pretty awesome, but it's far from ideal.

Parts of it are closed and probably always will be, it has no microSD slot, it has no hardware keyboard, and has sacrificed a removable battery for some sexy curves. Some people have complained of dead pixels or poor battery life. Many, many people have complained of how hard it is to find the N9 they wish to purchase.

A more cynical individual than myself might well wonder if there was a certain lack of corporate enthusiasm from Nokia globally with regards to the N9. Probably best that I stop this line of thinking here, because my tinfoil hat is at the cleaners.

Consider instead that all current successful devices across all platforms and form factors have these or similar problems (apart from availability & distribution, naturally). It's normal.

In addition, some current devices are slick but require outside approval for your every action; still others require outside approval for every important development decision made by their manufacturer.


Internet, you're often wrong about stuff

Moving on from manufacturers to the observers and critics: don't ever forget that when you trash-talk what you don't understand, you're really just dissing yourself.

So here's a thought for you: yes, you:
  • the lazy bloggers pushing out insufficiently fact-checked screeds
  • the analysts from Gartner inter alia who say what they think will please the shareholders
  • the carriers and distributors who didn't have the courage to grab on to something special
  • You most of all, Nokia the corporation for producing a masterpiece and then making such a D- effort at promoting it and getting it into the grubby mitts of the public (e.g. me).

Yes, all of you! Here goes: define "dead OS" before you sling that term around, whether directly or indirectly. The very idea makes no sense to me - not after seeing what I've seen on TMO and beyond over the last two years since I transferred my SIM card from my N95 to my N900.

Optimism still! Despite the muted efforts of Nokia; despite bloggers and most media blithely writing off the N9; despite the perception (amongst those who are even aware of its existence) that the N9 is running a dead OS. Where might they have picked up a view like that? More than likely from a few bloggers who have signally failed to comprehend or even notice what has happened across the internet and on our Nokia tablets.

The N9 has its share of baggage - not least being that it has been annointed as "the last of a dying breed" - but we can fix it! We have the technology!


No apps? Guess again

I'm confident that the software will be there for both the casual user and the hardcore power user of the N9. History supports the assertion that the community around the N9 will do amazing things. The N9 will live, so long as we can get our hands on the damn thing.

Focus on the positive! Well, why not? CSSU knocked my socks off and continues to do. There's no doubt plenty more where that came from.

Donning the uniform of Captain Obvious for a moment, let me start by reminding anyone who had forgotten that there is a Linux kernel just millimeters below the Swipe UI.

Further to and because of that, it is demonstrably true that the community has already taken Maemo development to exciting new places. Nokia - as a corporate whole, and despite the decent and focused efforts of many employees - seems to have little will to explore these exotic locales.


You don't know what you got 'til it's gone

The N9 makes more sense than anything else out there for me. Make your own decisions; mine is made. It may well be my last Nokia, unless something good and unexpected happens. You know, like Nokia coming to its senses and fixing all this mess. Probably starting no later than 2006/2007...

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...which is in the past.
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Yeah.



Ah well, I'm still buying the N9!

Edit: been living with the N9 for a month and I'm enjoying it more than any other device I've ever had.

Just because I'm a geek who spends hours in the office every day working in bash/csh, doesn't mean I don't appreciate a personal mobile device which is fantastic at music/photos etc. (while maintaining some sort of OSS credibility!)


(N.B. if your first instinct on reading the above is to send me a link to "csh programming considered harmful", don't bother; this is the corporate world, and I still use IE at work too, but not through choice)

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A paean to the Nokia fanboy I could have been

So of course I have to buy an N9! If nothing else, it'll make my buddy who just splashed out on a 4S feel some good old-fashioned gadget envy.

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ZackMorris 2011-10-19 04:17

Re: "Why I will be buying an N9" and other stories
 
Nice post,

I agree, why is it so freakin hard to get our hands on one of these, at first I was like I'm gonna hold out for the 64gb, but I really like the cyan and getting a hold of 64gb I fear is going to be a tougher task. Why the hell is spending this kind of coin on a device so hard to do? Blows my mind.

I know seeing Elop's stupid face at NWC touting the wp7 lineup is only going to infuriate me more. You said it all very well my man, the educated consumer knows the potential shortfalls of the device, but to make it such a struggle to get one is totally absurd. Nokia has nothing to lose by opening up the distibution channels on this device, other than more sales and respect if that is even possible at this point.

ysss 2011-10-19 04:25

Re: "Why I will be buying an N9" and other stories
 
IMHO the floodgate will open around mid November. The main reason is probably due to their manufacturing bottlenecks. So right now they're churning out the products to stock so they'll have enough for the 'worldwide' release by next month.

This situation is made worse for TMO users, because we've been following the N9 for quite a damn while: even before it was officially announced, and through numerous delays, up to the trickling of products available here and there.

Sadly, it's those who care the most will be afflicted with the most pain. Heh.

shallimus 2011-10-19 04:28

Re: "Why I will be buying an N9" and other stories
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ZackMorris (Post 1110697)
Why the hell is spending this kind of coin on a device so hard to do? Blows my mind.

I'm continually aghast at this.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZackMorris (Post 1110697)
I know seeing Elop's stupid face at NWC touting the wp7 lineup is only going to infuriate me more. You said it all very well my man, the educated consumer knows the potential shortfalls of the device, but to make it such a struggle to get one is totally absurd. Nokia has nothing to lose by opening up the distibution channels on this device, other than more sales and respect if that is even possible at this point.

I wish that the Nokia board saw it the same way that you do, especially that bit about them having nothing to lose. I really, really do.

Unfortunately, their stance is:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen Elop and/or a marketing intern
Nokia takes a market by market approach to product rollout and each country makes its own decisions about which products to introduce from those available. Decisions are based on an assessment of existing and upcoming products that make up Nokia’s extensive product portfolio and the best way in which to address local market opportunities.

Now take into account that by far the most substantial phrase in that load of corporate gibberish is "Decisions are based on an assessment of existing and upcoming products".

For anyone who don't speak corporate:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Translation of the above
We couldn't care less what you think. We are a corporation and we are pursuing our goals. We have already made many public statements regarding our global smartphone policy starting February 2011.

Whether our goals align with your wishes or not is incidental at best. The polite tone of this message is a thin veneer over our utter disregard for anything which does not further the goals of this corporation; goals which - as you already know - we have made abundantly clear.

Sucks, don't it?

kar88 2011-10-19 04:39

Re: "Why I will be buying an N9" and other stories
 
looking for 64gb cyan too here in Toronto, but nowhere to be found. expansys.ca is taking advantage of this shortage and offering it for 900 CAD +tax. thats over 640 Euro

SamGan 2011-10-19 04:42

Re: "Why I will be buying an N9" and other stories
 
Originally Posted by Translation of the above

We couldn't care less what you think. We're a corporation and we are pursuing our goals. Whether those align with yours or not is incidental at best. The polite tone of this message is a thin veneer over our utter disregard for anything which does not further the goals of this corporation.

And what is the goal of this corporation called Nokia? A hole in the ground by ignoring consumer demand?

cpate99 2011-10-19 04:48

Re: "Why I will be buying an N9" and other stories
 
i started lookin two weeks ago and got it ten days ago you guys r slackin

shallimus 2011-10-19 04:54

Re: "Why I will be buying an N9" and other stories
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SamGan (Post 1110703)
And what is the goal of this corporation called Nokia? A hole in the ground by ignoring consumer demand?

Not according to them. Please see Burning Platform memo and subsequent Microsoft partnership agreement for further details.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cpate99 (Post 1110704)
i started lookin two weeks ago and got it ten days ago you guys r slackin

Let me guess, you wandered down to a local phone shop and picked one up...?

Didn't think so.

Maybe we are slacking, maybe not.

ZackMorris 2011-10-19 05:20

Re: "Why I will be buying an N9" and other stories
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SamGan (Post 1110703)
Originally Posted by Translation of the above

We couldn't care less what you think. We're a corporation and we are pursuing our goals. Whether those align with yours or not is incidental at best. The polite tone of this message is a thin veneer over our utter disregard for anything which does not further the goals of this corporation.

And what is the goal of this corporation called Nokia? A hole in the ground by ignoring consumer demand?

The goal of the CEO and his stupid, smug, gheylop'd face and his cronies is a MS buy out, or at the least making Nokia a meandering puppet of MS slowly plodding off into that ashen tinted sunset called oblivion.
(no offense to those of different sexual orientation, to compare your orientation to Elop's face is like comparing the Mona Lisa to a pile of feces I flung at the wall. Just using slang.)

SamGan 2011-10-19 05:37

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Nokia's market share was shrinking because it failed to produce innovative phones which excite users. Their hardware wasn't cutting edge even for the flagship N8; CPU, memory and display were behind the competition. The Symbian os was considered a dog. No wonder it lost market share. Then Nokia finally did something right with the N9. Hardware was in the ballpark. It was sleek and attractive, like a breath of fresh air in a world of similar looking phone. The Meego os with innovative swipe technology excited users and won accolades.

Nokia should have taken this success and run with it but unfortunately the misguided Elop (ex-Microsoft) decided to beat down the mass market appeal of the N9 by stiff pricing, omission of major markets and death pronouncement of the last Meego phone. Meanwhile he wound down Symbian and bet the farm on WP7.

If Nokia's WP7 phones doesn't take off with a bang Nokia will go down with it. All the eggs are now in one basket. But will denying consumers access to N9 make them flock to WP7? In his dreams! This is a strategy of desperation. The success of iphone 4S is a body blow to Elop's wet dreams.

Nokia is shaping up to be a Greek tragedy. A tragedy is something you inflict on yourself. Maybe one day Elop will be a textbook case study in business school of how to bring down a corporation.

shallimus 2011-10-19 23:15

Re: "Why I will be buying an N9" and other stories
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SamGan (Post 1110721)
Nokia's market share was shrinking because it failed to produce innovative phones which excite users. Their hardware wasn't cutting edge even for the flagship N8; CPU, memory and display were behind the competition. The Symbian os was considered a dog. No wonder it lost market share. Then Nokia finally did something right with the N9. Hardware was in the ballpark. It was sleek and attractive, like a breath of fresh air in a world of similar looking phone. The Meego os with innovative swipe technology excited users and won accolades.

Nokia should have taken this success and run with it but unfortunately the misguided Elop (ex-Microsoft) decided to beat down the mass market appeal of the N9 by stiff pricing, omission of major markets and death pronouncement of the last Meego phone. Meanwhile he wound down Symbian and bet the farm on WP7.

If Nokia's WP7 phones doesn't take off with a bang Nokia will go down with it. All the eggs are now in one basket. But will denying consumers access to N9 make them flock to WP7? In his dreams! This is a strategy of desperation. The success of iphone 4S is a body blow to Elop's wet dreams.

Nokia is shaping up to be a Greek tragedy. A tragedy is something you inflict on yourself. Maybe one day Elop will be a textbook case study in business school of how to bring down a corporation.

A far more succinct way of saying what I was trying to get across in my posts - thank you.

It's hard to argue with your stance, especially the bit about Nokia going down once WP fails... after all, no less a 'luminary' than the head of Nokia's US subsidiary said exactly the same thing:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Elop's good friend Chris Weber
The reality is if we are not successful with Windows Phone, it doesn’t matter what we do (elsewhere)

See you in hell.

m3topaz 2011-11-10 14:12

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Some background first: I like Linux. I ditched Windoze around March 2008 and got Ubuntu. Linux is now everywhere: office, home, on my N900 which Nokia just traded for an E7 (:mad:) and it's a fair amount of home and business life. I can't deal with the MacBook because it needs too much expertise, and can't stand the thought of going back to Windows which needs too much attention all round. I've also worked somehow with mobile telephony for over 16 years.
The N9 is the spiritual successor to the N900, which is still the most capable mobile phone ever for me. The N9 is a superb looking and feeling device (hands-up: true of the Lumia 800 too) but it does the good stuff well when you switch it on: media, social, telephony. It's a feel-good phone and for that reason alone I'll get one.
The N9 outguns the Lumia in hardware and especially when it comes to the browser. I've used both and the WP device routes you to a few select corners of the platform and - frankly - leaves you wanting. Knowing that the N9 will have some fun hacky-cracky Linux stuff to play with when the shine of the new toy wears off makes it a better proposition. For me.
I can fully understand why Nokia don't want to range the N9 in the UK. Back to back these and think about the overall strategy of fixing WP7 over the next year - the Lumia really does need attention here - and the N9 would outshine the chosen corporate path. That would never do!
I sincerely hope that the N9 ranges - with the 64GB variant - once the Lumia has shipped and advertised, etc. No need to promote it - those in the know just need to be allowed to buy it. I would. I know a few other people who would as well.
Sorry, Nokia - but you can keep the corporate strategy of Windows Phone for the mass market. I don't care about that, it's not me. Do your shareholders a small favour and sell some N9s to the markets here, in Germany, in North America - who want this product. You'll make money, and better still you'll keep a bank of advocates who might prove to be future customers. Don't make WP7 your next at-sea combustion in need of an exit when you have one under your nose :-)

fergusso 2011-11-10 15:14

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It's been almost a year since I sold my N900, the complaints with the n9 or Nokia in general didn't change. Please people ,,, don't waste your money with Nokia. I become stress free when I finally sold my last Nokia phone .... the N900. N9 will just abuse you with so much wandering with so many "why can't it do this?" "why can't it do that?" "why Nokia?" "why why why why?". It is very obvious they don't get feedback from people first before they create devices, they have "their" own goals, you are not part of Nokia's goals, they don't even know this forum exists. so Stop stop stop from buying N9. I'm just trying to save your time, your life.

there are better alternatives there .... go to Android platform .... it will satisfy all your needs if all you want are proven working apps without you messing around with the phone.

If you are a time waster buy this Nokia N9 phone!

chenliangchen 2011-11-10 16:15

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The most important for n9 is also telling these bloggers that harmattan is not a dead OS. It has nothing to do with Tizen. It is Maemo 6!

mscion 2011-11-10 16:33

Re: "Why I will be buying an N9" and other stories
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fergusso (Post 1121278)

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If you are a time waster buy this Nokia N9 phone!

I don't look at it as a waste of time but more so as a form of play and learning.

zifis 2011-11-10 17:14

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The N9 hype got me so excited about 8 months ago I even posted 2 concept designs of my own for the upcoming device. When the first images of the N9 leaked sometime this Summer I was blown away by it's sleek design and features. Yep I was absolutely going to buy one of those, most probably the Cyan one.

Now I realize the N9 is too little too late. Was I really ever going to spend serious Euros just so I can swipe instead of minimize and pinch zoom instead of circle or hardware zoom?

I still think N9 looks good enough to eat but I am keeping my N900 (people still ask me where did I find a no-button touch device and when is it going to be released) and probably go for an android one on the side.

sunc 2011-11-11 01:33

Re: "Why I will be buying an N9" and other stories
 
The reason behind Elop's strategy of not releasing N9 in key markets is simple - the average crowd would choose N9 over the WP crap.

SamGan 2011-11-11 01:53

Re: "Why I will be buying an N9" and other stories
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sunc (Post 1121593)
The reason behind Elop's strategy of not releasing N9 in key markets is simple - the average crowd would choose N9 over the WP crap.

True, and if it is properly supported it would blow WP7 away.

dolphins 2011-11-11 03:13

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WP7 isn't a terrible OS in my opinion, but it needs a long time before it's able to catch up to what is already available. In any case, one more choice doesn't hurt but realistically Apple and Google aren't going to sit on their butts and wait for WP7 to gain market share. They have their own road-maps that will put them even higher.

And that's where I think Nokia could have profited - by marketing the N9 as a timeless device to constantly compete with iPhones and Androids while they grow WP7 portfolio. I simply don't understand why it couldn't coexist with WP7, it would probably even boost WP7 sales through the right marketing.

Fortunately every N9 user will be extremely happy with their choice in a year, or two or three or more, even thought it lacks support.

We have a great community and having an N9 is like carrying a great idea with you. Nothing can ever beat that.

noetus 2011-11-12 20:06

Re: "Why I will be buying an N9" and other stories
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fergusso (Post 1121278)
N9 will just abuse you with so much wandering with so many "why can't it do this?" "why can't it do that?" "why Nokia?" "why why why why?".If you are a time waster buy this Nokia N9 phone!

Errrrr, dude, have you actually tried using an N9? It pretty much just works, and the latest update has fixed a lot of little niggles and added new features. I don't think people are going to be wandering around going "oh why won't it do this or that" at all. And lots of online reviews have praised Meego Harmattan as being amazingly complete for a brand new OS. Think again, bro'

trbs 2011-11-13 00:55

Re: "Why I will be buying an N9" and other stories
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fergusso (Post 1121278)
It's been almost a year since I sold my N900, the complaints with the n9 or Nokia in general didn't change. Please people ,,, don't waste your money with Nokia. I become stress free when I finally sold my last Nokia phone .... the N900. N9 will just abuse you with so much wandering with so many "why can't it do this?" "why can't it do that?" "why Nokia?" "why why why why?". It is very obvious they don't get feedback from people first before they create devices, they have "their" own goals, you are not part of Nokia's goals, they don't even know this forum exists. so Stop stop stop from buying N9. I'm just trying to save your time, your life.

there are better alternatives there .... go to Android platform .... it will satisfy all your needs if all you want are proven working apps without you messing around with the phone.

If you are a time waster buy this Nokia N9 phone!

Your rant is basically what I say when you replace the words Nokia + N9 with Android.

I have two Android devices in my house hold and both are terrible. The HTC handset which is not any more useful then a dumbphone. Dog slow, horrible to type on, battery life is terrible and so on. Then there is a tablet... well Android on a tablet is like
running DOS for your desktop... it just does not work.. typing on it makes you want to cut your finger off. Having the think back on wifi when you resume is often slower then walking to my workstation and turning that on.

Then we have the Android market... how can you even find software in there ? you have to install 200 apps to find one which works and still does less then 5% of what you want it too.

Android just does not work... and the only reason way I have not replaced my tablet with an IPad is that it's too expensive and too limited.

Apple might have a closed eco system, has less love for freedom then Al-Qaeda, compatibility of 0% with anything else then mac-os and lots of other faults in it own right... But it least you can type on it... browse on it... when you resume it, it is ready to go... When you accept the Apple model is DOES work.

So why would you recommend Android to anybody that it not your most feared enemy ?


Yes my comments are a little biased because everybody seams to love Android so much while I find working with it so damned horrifying.


I own an N9 and it's the best.... BY FAR... the best mobile phone I have ever owned... Including several Android models...

It might not be perfect and the little things that aren't would be so easily rectified by software updates..

It really is like the modern day iPhone when-it-first-came-out. A phone that could change and reshape the mobile world.

The one new OS that can stand against IOS (and Android).

It could go where WebOS and others have failed.

And I will be proud to call it my phone for the next couple of years !

m3topaz 2011-11-13 19:18

Re: "Why I will be buying an N9" and other stories
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SamGan (Post 1121600)
True, and if it is properly supported it would blow WP7 away.

Users sunc and SamGan are both correct, IMO! :)


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