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x_Blaze.It.Beau_x 2016-11-01 01:26

Gpd win
 
My unit arrived today and I haven't messed with it too much yet. I'm gonna do a clean install tonight and then mess with it some more in the morning :D ;)

Specifications
Intel Atom x7-z8700
Windows 10
64 GB ROM
4GB RAM
Fan (Off, Slow, On)
Gorilla Glass 3
1280 x 720 Resolution
Mono Speaker
Bluetooth
Physical keyboard
Embedded Xbox 360 Controller
6700mah Lithium ion battery

Ports
USB-C
Mini HDMI
USB 3.0
MicroSD support up to 256GB
3.5 mm Headphone Jack

Here's another size comparison ;)
Size Comparison between GPD WIN and Nokia N810

I am going to try installing Arch Linux tomorrow because a user on reddit by the name of "Azelphur" worked around a few bugs and got the wifi working and the rotation crash fixed. :)

I will post a full review in a couple weeks.

For now, I am willing to answer any questions you might have. :D

ryu1 2016-11-01 06:40

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It would be interesting to see the battery life of GPD.

TheKit 2016-11-01 15:58

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This could be a nice Linux mini-PC, but somewhat pricey. Is the sound chip working (often an issue with Atom-based SoCs)?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryu1 (Post 1517848)
It would be interesting to see the battery life of GPD.

Chinese 20000 mAh powerbank is often enough to solve most battery issues :)

HtheB 2016-11-01 19:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheKit (Post 1517856)
This could be a nice Linux mini-PC, but somewhat pricey. Is the sound chip working (often an issue with Atom-based SoCs)?



Chinese 20000 mAh powerbank is often enough to solve most battery issues :)

$330 pricey?
Seems like someone doesn't know about the Pyra... :rolleyes:

Dave999 2016-11-01 20:03

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Wow. Looks amazing. Would be interested if they removed the gaming style. remove the gaming pad an add a huge touchpad :D

Can it make calls?

Ken-Young 2016-11-01 20:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1517862)
$330 pricey?
Seems like someone doesn't know about the Pyra... :rolleyes:

Or the neo900

ryu1 2016-11-02 06:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1517863)
Wow. Looks amazing. Would be interested if they removed the gaming style. remove the gaming pad an add a huge touchpad :D

Can it make calls?

It cannot make calls :D
This aims to be a portable gaming console, that is why it has gaming controls.

At a certain point i was thinking of building a similar device with an Intel Compute Stick, a 5 inch lcd and a bluetooth keyboard.

railroadmaster 2016-11-02 19:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1517862)
$330 pricey?
Seems like someone doesn't know about the Pyra... :rolleyes:

The Pyra also has an outdated processor and a much smaller application library. The Pyra would have been better if it had been made by some small company who would be better able to produce them in larger quantities for less money like GPD or even some company like Archos.

Ken-Young 2016-11-02 23:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by railroadmaster (Post 1517923)
The Pyra also has an outdated processor and a much smaller application library. The Pyra would have been better if it had been made by some small company who would be better able to produce them in larger quantities for less money like GPD or even some company like Archos.

But the Pyra runs Linux out-of-the-box. What usually happens with devices like the GPD Win is that enthusiasts are able to get about 85% funtionality under Linux, and then they hit walls. There are half a dozen gnu/linux distributions that sorta, kinda, almost work on the Nexus 5, for example. The Pyra, if it ever actually ships, really will be a functional handheld Linux machine.

gerbick 2016-11-03 00:47

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"If it ever ships..."

I am personally tired of that phrase.

x_Blaze.It.Beau_x 2016-11-03 01:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ryu1 (Post 1517848)
It would be interesting to see the battery life of GPD.

I made it through a whole day today on a single charge browsing the internet, streaming video, brightness at 50%, and fan on high.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999
Can it make calls?

Yes it can.

I did it from my Google Voice/Hangouts, but make sure you are wearing headphones as the microphone is close to the speaker, otherwise it'll echo like crazy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheKit
This could be a nice Linux mini-PC, but somewhat pricey. Is the sound chip working (often an issue with Atom-based SoCs)?

Pricey? Could be worse, my friend. XD
The sound chip does not work under Arch or Xubuntu, unfortunately. Hopefully there will be a breakthrough soon.



This reply was typed on my GPD WIN :)
It does take some getting used to, but it isn't bad at all. ;)

railroadmaster 2016-11-03 01:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken-Young (Post 1517933)
But the Pyra runs Linux out-of-the-box. What usually happens with devices like the GPD Win is that enthusiasts are able to get about 85% funtionality under Linux, and then they hit walls. There are half a dozen gnu/linux distributions that sorta, kinda, almost work on the Nexus 5, for example. The Pyra, if it ever actually ships, really will be a functional handheld Linux machine.

GPD did you say that the Win could be used to run Linux. The components are generic, the only thing that would possibly cause problems for Linux are the controller.

ryu1 2016-11-03 06:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken-Young (Post 1517933)
But the Pyra runs Linux out-of-the-box. What usually happens with devices like the GPD Win is that enthusiasts are able to get about 85% funtionality under Linux, and then they hit walls. There are half a dozen gnu/linux distributions that sorta, kinda, almost work on the Nexus 5, for example. The Pyra, if it ever actually ships, really will be a functional handheld Linux machine.

The Pyra uses an ARM processor, unlike the GPD which has an x86 processor. That is why the GPD is a better option.
GPD is like a reborn UMPC, something i did not expected to see in 2016.

I don't know the production capabilities of GPD, but i think they have only one production line for the GPD win. They should focus more on this project because the demand is high.

x_Blaze.It.Beau_x 2016-11-03 17:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by railroadmaster (Post 1517939)
GPD did you say that the Win could be used to run Linux. The components are generic, the only thing that would possibly cause problems for Linux are the controller.

I don't know what you mean by generic.
But Linux actually does recognize the controller.

t-b 2016-11-03 19:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ryu1 (Post 1517948)
The Pyra uses an ARM processor, unlike the GPD which has an x86 processor. That is why the GPD is a better option.

Not for me, I don't care about Windows (for most people that seems to be main reason wanting a x86). I do care about battery life, Linux, community, quality, features and long term support. That is why I expect the Pyra to be a better option for me.
I am looking forward to see an unbiased comparison between both running a Linux distro.
BTW. they have designed the Pyra to be CPU upgradable so it might be possible to get an x86 on the Pyra as well.

railroadmaster 2016-11-03 20:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by x_Blaze.It.Beau_x (Post 1517973)
I don't know what you mean by generic.
But Linux actually does recognize the controller.

Generic as in off the shelf. It doesn't use that much in the way of unique components. The 5.5" 720p touchscreen is used in a variety of products, the intel atom processor and motherboard are super common and are found in dozens of products and the flash and ram would definitely be off the shelf. I am not sure about the rest of the components such as the sound chip, sd card reader, bluetooth, speakers, or wifi. Those components I am not sure of.

gerbick 2016-11-03 21:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by t-b (Post 1517982)
Not for me, I don't care about Windows (for most people that seems to be main reason wanting a x86). I do care about battery life, Linux, community, quality, features and long term support. That is why I expect the Pyra to be a better option for me.
I am looking forward to see an unbiased comparison between both running a Linux distro.
BTW. they have designed the Pyra to be CPU upgradable so it might be possible to get an x86 on the Pyra as well.

I lost my patience and faith while waiting on OpenPandora to become something more than just a curiosity way back in 2010.

It's 2016, nearly 2017 and yet we're nowhere closer to where we'd rather be. It's almost like the oft-repeated, never actualized mantra of "Year of the Linux Desktop" - and here we've more than likely moved past desktops now to more mobile solutions.

I get the faith, the trust and even the merit behind your decisions. But I am no longer to be counted in that group of the faithful or patient.

In my estimation, I've been waiting since the mid-90's to now for something to become what I'd fully support and would fully support the needs and wants of my ideals around computing.

x86 or ARM; I don't really care. Just be real.

This has my attention though; I can admit that.

Ken-Young 2016-11-03 22:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by t-b (Post 1517982)
Not for me, I don't care about Windows (for most people that seems to be main reason wanting a x86). I do care about battery life, Linux, community, quality, features and long term support. That is why I expect the Pyra to be a better option for me.
[...]

Yup, there's a reason why Intel gave up on the mobile market.

theonelaw 2016-11-04 06:49

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Outstanding !-

You said you were installing Arch:
Are all these observations are all made regarding
performance under Arch ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by x_Blaze.It.Beau_x (Post 1517938)
I made it through a whole day today on a single charge browsing the internet, streaming video, brightness at 50%, and fan on high.


Yes it can.

I did it from my Google Voice/Hangouts, but make sure you are wearing headphones as the microphone is close to the speaker, otherwise it'll echo like crazy.


Pricey? Could be worse, my friend. XD
The sound chip does not work under Arch or Xubuntu, unfortunately. Hopefully there will be a breakthrough soon.



This reply was typed on my GPD WIN :)
It does take some getting used to, but it isn't bad at all. ;)

Which DE are you using ?

Thank you for your report.
If you accepted LTC I would send you a couple for an in-depth...

HtheB 2016-11-04 09:54

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My GPDWin Also arrived yesterday.
Build quality is pretty nice if you ask me

Dave999 2016-11-04 09:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1518028)
My GPDWin Also arrived yesterday.
Build quality is pretty nice if you ask me

Cool. I wish i had invested in this instead of jolla. How is the browser experience?

chenliangchen 2016-11-04 10:23

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I'm wondering are they going to have a Core-M version instead of Atom chipset. Or is it user upgradable to Core-M?

Atom chipset is quite useless in my opinion, even with light tasks. Never had any good experience in the past...

saponga 2016-11-04 10:45

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Please, where did you guys get it from ? I`ve tried to order it from the GPD`s store at Aliexpress and they said me that is out of stock. Thank you.

HtheB 2016-11-04 10:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1518029)
Cool. I wish i had invested in this instead of jolla. How is the browser experience?

I also invested in the Jolla just like many others of us here on TMO....
I haven't got much time to play with it yet, since I'm doing updating the OS and patching things I don't like on the OS :p


Quote:

Originally Posted by saponga (Post 1518032)
Please, where did you guys get it from ? I`ve tried to order it from the GPD`s store at Aliexpress and they said me that is out of stock. Thank you.

I backed it on Indiegogo a long time ago.
You could buy it from www.geekbuying.com they are one of the official distributors for the GPDWin.

Edit: Seems like Geekbuying is also out of stock, but it'll be in stock soon. They also give you a free case at the moment for pre-orders:
http://promotion.geekbuying.com/promotion/gpd_win

Dave999 2016-11-04 11:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1518033)
I also invested in the Jolla just like many others of us here on TMO....
I haven't got much time to play with it yet, since I'm doing updating the OS and patching things I don't like on the OS :p




I backed it on Indiegogo a long time ago.
You could buy it from www.geekbuying.com they are one of the official distributors for the GPDWin.

Edit: Seems like Geekbuying is also out of stock, but it'll be in stock soon. They also give you a free case at the moment for pre-orders:
http://promotion.geekbuying.com/promotion/gpd_win

Yeah, jolla missused its own brand as well as crowdfunding in general. But happy too see GDP was successful both with the campain and with the product. Great Work!.

Yeah too many in queue+ships in 20 days :D too long...

Please get back with a note if you are getting the browser up and running, eventually, maybe.

It will be a nice edition to your collection of gameable devices :D

x_Blaze.It.Beau_x 2016-11-05 19:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1518029)
Cool. I wish i had invested in this instead of jolla. How is the browser experience?

The browser experience has no short comings, touchscreen gestures make it easy to scroll/zoom to read text. The left stick acts as a Page Up and Page Down button. :)

@saponga I got mine from DragonBox. There's also Amazon, DinoDirect, GearBest, etc..

Quote:

Originally Posted by theonelaw
Outstanding !-

You said you were installing Arch:
Are all these observations are all made regarding
performance under Arch ?

Those were under Window's performance actually.

I will still be doing that soon.. i'm just enjoying it the way it is right now before I do that. :D The things I have said about linux on this device is from another person's experience on it, not my own.

Here is a video of Xubuntu running on the system. Xubuntu 5Ghz Wifi Works and Steam

Quote:

Originally Posted by railroadmaster
Generic as in off the shelf. It doesn't use that much in the way of unique components. The 5.5" 720p touchscreen is used in a variety of products, the intel atom processor and motherboard are super common and are found in dozens of products and the flash and ram would definitely be off the shelf. I am not sure about the rest of the components such as the sound chip, sd card reader, bluetooth, speakers, or wifi. Those components I am not sure of.

The SD card reader identifies as a generic one.

The screen might be generic as well, because it defaults to a portrait orientation when you first set it up. People have speculated that they were used on smartphones. Definitely not bad quality though.

Watch these to get an idea to get an idea about it's components.
Heatsink Mod Part 1
Heatsink Mod Part 2
Note: His is different from mine in terms of cpu (z8750) and his heatsink has fins where mine does not.

ryu1 2016-11-07 09:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by t-b (Post 1517982)
Not for me, I don't care about Windows (for most people that seems to be main reason wanting a x86). I do care about battery life, Linux, community, quality, features and long term support. That is why I expect the Pyra to be a better option for me.
I am looking forward to see an unbiased comparison between both running a Linux distro.
BTW. they have designed the Pyra to be CPU upgradable so it might be possible to get an x86 on the Pyra as well.

I did not reffered to x86 only for running windows (althought that is a plus).
I'm talking about the instruction set of the CPU. If you want to do something more advanced like programming microcontrollers, you'll face challenges if you try to run a specific program on the ARM instruction set, since most programs for that are made for x86.

Yes, you can run x86 apps on ARM if you emulate them (https://eltechs.com/product/exagear-desktop/) but again you'll face all kind of strange errors when trying to do something specific.

railroadmaster 2016-11-07 22:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ryu1 (Post 1518222)
I did not reffered to x86 only for running windows (althought that is a plus).
I'm talking about the instruction set of the CPU. If you want to do something more advanced like programming microcontrollers, you'll face challenges if you try to run a specific program on the ARM instruction set, since most programs for that are made for x86.

Yes, you can run x86 apps on ARM if you emulate them (https://eltechs.com/product/exagear-desktop/) but again you'll face all kind of strange errors when trying to do something specific.

You need x86 to run any commercial games whether it be Windows or Linux

ryu1 2016-11-08 14:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by railroadmaster (Post 1518283)
You need x86 to run any commercial games whether it be Windows or Linux

I'll give you an example: i have a project in which i have to use this sensor: http://www.calex.co.uk/product/tempe...s/pyrominiusb/

The sensor connects to the pc only via USB and came with a software called "CalexConfig" which is not programmed for ARM architecture.

Now i have a small pc based on raspberry pi, so i have to rewrite the entire software and drivers to be able to communicate with the sensor. But i don't want to reinvent the wheel, i just needed some portable computer that could just work.

I ended up buying another sensor (analog) and connected it to a CAN and then to the portable raspberry pc. But this is another story.

My point is that if you have some specific commercial equipment, and have a small portable pc with an ARM cpu, you simply don't have the possibilities that you have with the x86, since most of the softwares available for that is designed for x86 architecture.

pichlo 2016-11-08 16:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ryu1 (Post 1518313)
I'll give you an example: i have a project in which i have to use this sensor: http://www.calex.co.uk/product/tempe...s/pyrominiusb/

Wow. The only Calex I have known until now was the refrigerator brand.
As it turns out, a former refrigerator brand :(

HtheB 2016-11-08 21:15

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Xubuntu on GPD Win:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTSVysKUmXM

ed00 2017-02-11 04:36

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GPD announced new device - GPD Pocket 💻 UMPC / OS Ubuntu 16.04 LTS or Windows 10
http://www.gpd.hk/news.asp?id=1520&selectclassid=002001
its kicking in soon February 15, Indiegogo price $399 so chip in... ;)

pichlo 2017-02-11 07:36

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Tempting. Where can I part with my money? They mention Indiegogo four times on that page but not a single link. Search on IGG yields only the old GPD Win campaign.

gerbick 2017-02-11 17:03

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The Indiegogo campaign has yet to launch. I'm curious about this one as well. No touch screen does hamper my interest slightly though.

mrsellout 2017-02-11 20:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1523330)
The Indiegogo campaign has yet to launch. I'm curious about this one as well. No touch screen does hamper my interest slightly though.

But there is a touchscreen :):

pichlo 2017-02-12 07:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mrsellout (Post 1523341)
But there is a touchscreen :):

Sadly, only capacitive. Which kinda precludes the use for anything other than swipe up/down/left/right and maybe hit a button, if you are lucky. Not good for anything you might actually want to use a mini laptop for. I guess you cannot stop the march f "progress".

Marshall Banana 2017-02-12 10:02

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You all missed the most important part of the anouncement:
Quote:

Imagine a scene where a fashionable woman takes a 7-inch laptop from her shoulder bag with a cup of coffee placing next to her. She drinks coffee while gracefully typing the text on her keyboard to chat with the girlfriends. I believe a lot of fashionable women will be crazy to have such a pocket laptop. Before she get Pocket, she needs to carry a bulky MacBook Air.

A Linux engineer drinks coffee while opening Vim to program scripts with Pocket. Isn’t it all fashionable people’s dream?
Finally a device that satisfies the needs of fashionable women and linux engineers.

Purchase will be inevitable for me!

pichlo 2017-02-12 13:13

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I saw the bit about the Linux engineers but missed the bit about the fashionable women.
IMO if they target their pitch at fashionable women then they have lost already. This is not a device for that target audience. Apple products are.

meego_leenooks1 2017-02-12 14:18

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> Active Cooling
> Fn left from Ctrl
> Power button on the main keyboard, next to Del

Why.
God, why.

nthn 2017-02-12 15:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by meego_leenooks1 (Post 1523373)
> Active Cooling
> Fn left from Ctrl
> Power button on the main keyboard, next to Del

Why.
God, why.

They must have the Lenovo designers on their team.


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