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It's a non-trivial problem; orphaned packages need a solution but questions around maintainership and support need to be addressed. The takeover of orphaned packages by a new maintainer is a related, but simpler, problem. Quote:
All this work also needs prioritising, see my comments above about a backlog. If there're no processes people can't complain that $RANDOM_REQUEST_ON_IRC isn't finished by $RANDOM_TIME_NO_ONE_AGREED_TO. |
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7 months before someone investigated kernel-power problem with package interface is "a bit"?! I'm totally sure, that main mistake done by previous Council(s) is using Your (You = whole Team) recommended write-only communication blackholes, instead of bugs.maemo.org - just like lma have written. At least, no one would try to implicit, that there was just "small problem" instead of full-scale lack of support. Quote:
Seriously though, SD69, could You please waste a little from your already occupied timeline, and document here at least part of Your countless attempts to communicate with X-Fade/Nemein? Alongside channels used (e-mail, for example). It's really frustrating to read BF about "random ping at irc" - AFAIK, it was used as accompanying, last-resort desperate tried to regain contact after months of blackout. Writing here, that no support was given, because IRC ping were *main* communication channel, isn't just plain rude. It's something more. /Estel |
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I've created a wiki page for the Council Declarations.
As time permits today and tomorrow, I'll complete the list of candidates, in the mean time feel free to edit the page to fill out the information. Edit: As it stands there are currently 4 runners, with SD69 and Geneven nominated without having accepted the nomination and Gerbick who has declared his intention to run here at tmo, and been nominated on the mailing list but has yet to declare his intent to run there. Apologies if have missed anyone, it certainly isn't intentional. Edit 2: Arie falls into the same category as Gerbick in having declared an intention to run on tmo, without having officially decared his intention on the mailing list. |
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Thanks mrsellout. I've updated my mission statement, so I encourage everyone to read about my plans for eventual council period :)
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"Matti, Do you have any response to this? Is the lack of responses to council intentional or are you under some distress at your job or something? Rob" We don't know what happened and probably never will. I accept what X-fade said above. He even apologized (I'm not sure he had to), so of course, I accept it and we move on. He even acknowledged that appsformeego was priority, which is what I suspected (after all, who says to a girl "I like you, but there's someone else I want to spend time with" - it's awkward). These are the things that happen. I don't see that there was personal fault or animosity - just a bad situation for maemo which we have managed to extricate ourself from. Frustrating? Yes, it was. But try to take solace in what would have happened if you and I had done nothing and that has been avoided. Matti and X-Fade were probably caught in the middle, perhaps they couldn't say so either. They are not against maemo - it's WP7 and some executives at Nokia who are. Besides, what I really care about is that maemo was being abandoned and left to die, but now it is on the upswing with momentum and people are contributing to solving the problems we identified. I never even imagined then that QGil would come back to maemo, so it was more than expected. If people don't recognize what happened, I'm not going to spend more time that can be better used on something else. |
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There was a workaround, changing the Garage account to one shared between trusted people (with some process to say who is actually uploading it) is workable. The approach of allocating work to X-Fade (and I accept his self-criticism of spending too much time on apps.formeego.org - we need to have the time allocated to maemo.org maintenance used and prioritised more transparently) seems to be the community (through SD69) seeming to organise occasional meetings (I was sure there was more than one) and throw tasks at X-Fade without any public prioritisation. I don't want to defend the situation, but I can quite clearly see how both "sides" are to blame: how can anyone be expected to prioritise the work properly in that situation? Some of the problems could even be addressed within the community: all the code for maemo.org is open source and if anyone really needed to, they could scratch their own itch. And then the task for X-Fade is to support them in that and deploy the change, rather than write it himself amongst a set of tasks. |
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One of the major discussions (above and referenced) was about if and how to fold in not just Harmattan, but the possibility of providing a home for those now on meego.com when it goes dark. As such, both are being discussed, which you would have known, had you not just jumped in without reading through the thread first. Side note to Javispedro: I've never, ever said "Meego is useless." One more blatant lie like that and you're going to once again find yourself as the only person on my ignore list, permanently this time. Seriously... I have no time to deal with someone that does nothing but lie, put words in other peoples mouths, and jumps into conversations mid stream to do nothing but "stir the pot". To make things 100 % clear: I have no problem with MeeGo, Harmattan, Mer/Nemo or any other OS or project involved in or in some way orbiting this community. What I have had consistent problems with is the bickering and flat out lies that several people here (like yourself) have spewed in relation to and at anyone who simply disagrees with your belief that project X is the best or only "one true" end-all project. |
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I'm very glad, that one of side-effects from that discussion is fixing already kernel-power issue, and if cooperation and communication is going to be so fluent as it is now (even if we argue a little, after all, there is more communication passing through, than in total last 6 months ;) ), I also think that there is no need to talk about it anymore. /Estel // Edit For now, i just hope that You're (SD69) going to accept Your nomination. As You can see, it's guaranteed that we will have voting this time, and it don't seem that there is risk of you being left alone to do Council work, again. |
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