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immi.shk 2012-03-24 06:27

N900 was(is) not the Only MAEMO phone meet N500 & Friends :)
 
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Since NOKIA being a Stubborn Child...
i just had a thought last night Our Chinese Friends must have done something to Protect MAEMO and Guess What that was Right... :)
their were not One or Two but FOUR(or more maybe) MAEMO PHONES(not MID) manufactured in China.. :)

Lets meet them.. :)

N500 aigo (2010)

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N500 aigo

4.3-inch WVGA resistive touchscreen
ARM-based 806MHz Marvell PXA310+ processor
128MB RAM / 256MB ROM
WiFi b/g, Bluetooth 2.0, 3G EVDO (voice and data support)
GPS.
3.2-megapixel camera
VGA webcam
Gigantic 2,600mAh battery.


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Enso zenPhone (2010)

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Enso zenPhone

Maemo 5 GUI
4.3” capacitive touchscreen (800x480) display
3G HSDPA/WCDMA/EDGE/GPRS/GSM Connectivity
GSM 850/900/1800/1900MHZ
WCDMA 850/1900/2100MHZ
microSD memory (8GB included),
Wi-Fi (802.11a/b/g)/Bluetooth 2.0+EDR
Capacitive Touchscreen Display
3.2MP rear cam / .3MP front one for video calling
2600 mAh lithium polymer battery

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Optima OP5-E (2009)

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Optima OP5-E

built on Maemo 4.1.2
4.3 inch 800 x 480 resolution screen
806 MHz Marvell PXA320 CPU
143 mm x 74 mm x 17.6 mm at 300 grams
3.2 megapixel camera
built in EVDO that supports China Unicom’s network
WiFi, GPS, Bluetooth 2.0
2600 mAh battery


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Witspad W8 Maemo MID(can make a Call)

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Witspad W8

powered by Maemo OS
806MHz Marvell PXA 320 processor
4.3 inches touchscreen
128MB RAM, 256MB ROM
3.2-megapixel camera
3.5mm headphone jack
GPS, WIFI
CDMA2000 3G connectivity


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ZTE V7 MID (2010)

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ZTE V7

4.1 inches 800×480.Touchscreen
806 MHz Marvell PXA310 processor
120×85x12mm at 190g.
telephone and SMS functions
3G CDMA1X, EV-DO HSDPA
3.2 megapixels camera
physical QWERTY keyboard
Maemo OS
WiFi, Bluetooth, GPS,SD slot, USB
1800mAh battery


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i dont know what was the Fate of these Phones.. :(
i have a strong Feeling of NOKIA affected their destiny(in a bad way of course) like N900/N9/N950(developers ONLY:()

any ways... "LONG LIVES CSSU":)

just like Optimus Prime - who keeps on Inviting all the Transformers Persisting across the Universe to have a Free Stay at Planet Earth ;)

we should also invite all the Maemo OS Phone Owners(Either Nokia or Any Company) Persisting across the World to come and be a part of CSSU and Talk.Maemo.Org family... :)


thanks for reading :)

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immi.shk 2012-03-24 07:00

Re: N900 was(is) not the Only MAEMO phone meet N500 & Friends :)
 
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more pics... :)
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aliman 2012-03-24 07:04

Re: N900 was(is) not the Only MAEMO phone meet N500 & Friends :)
 
do have any idea what theme was used on the optima op5-e?
thanks in advance

panjgoori 2012-03-24 09:00

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yeah we should invite them in community also. I will create a post on my blog for inviting these people. Lets see waht will happen.

gerbick 2012-03-24 09:11

Re: N900 was(is) not the Only MAEMO phone meet N500 & Friends :)
 
Quite unattractive... but I swear a couple of the Chinese Maemo phones was talked about here before at TMO.

Dragoss91 2012-03-24 09:44

Re: N900 was(is) not the Only MAEMO phone meet N500 & Friends :)
 
These phones are ugly as hell , and I bet there's no linux , just some java os with limited features .

misterc 2012-03-24 10:19

Re: N900 was(is) not the Only MAEMO phone meet N500 & Friends :)
 
this all seems to be pretty old stuff...
2010 mostly
what are the chances that such devices are still in use after 2 yrs?
plus they were OS2007 promising an upgrade to OS2009...
if in 2010 they weren't even able to come up with later, how likely they did afterwards...

but, hell, the more the merrier, right?

MINKIN2 2012-03-24 11:21

Re: N900 was(is) not the Only MAEMO phone meet N500 & Friends :)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1183507)
Quite unattractive... but I swear a couple of the Chinese Maemo phones was talked about here before at TMO.

Yep, there was the ZTE iBrowser a couple of years ago now...

http://gadgets.softpedia.com/images/...rld-Expo-2.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHSvYLQDdZ4

One of the nicer designs IMO,

CraigRobbo 2012-03-24 11:49

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I wonder if they would ever concider releasing a somewhat more powerful N900

Estel 2012-03-24 12:53

Re: N900 was(is) not the Only MAEMO phone meet N500 & Friends :)
 
Those phones aren't based on Maemo - it's jsut some closed OS, designed to look *similar* to Maemo. It was discussed many times already.

/Estel

F2thaK 2012-03-24 12:56

Re: N900 was(is) not the Only MAEMO phone meet N500 & Friends :)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MINKIN2 (Post 1183552)
Yep, there was the ZTE iBrowser a couple of years ago now...

http://gadgets.softpedia.com/images/...rld-Expo-2.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHSvYLQDdZ4

One of the nicer designs IMO,

tHIS IS NICE...

immi.shk 2012-03-24 13:50

Re: N900 was(is) not the Only MAEMO phone meet N500 & Friends :)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MINKIN2 (Post 1183552)
Yep, there was the ZTE iBrowser a couple of years ago now...

http://gadgets.softpedia.com/images/...rld-Expo-2.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHSvYLQDdZ4

One of the nicer designs IMO,


Simply Superb & Solid design for a Handheld Computer & Gaming Device... :)

mind if I add it in the first post... ?

MINKIN2 2012-03-24 17:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by immi.shk (Post 1183595)
Simply Superb & Solid design for a Handheld Computer & Gaming Device... :)

mind if I add it in the first post... ?

Pop it in there mate, it's not mine to stop you ;)

Good idea for a topic too, TMO is littered with random topics of alternative maemo devices so it would be good get them and others in one thread.

Estel 2012-03-24 18:08

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With exception for fact, that *none* of them is really powered by something similar to Maemo (if we don't count visual similarity...)

Quite pointless thread, as whole?

/Estel

xRobby 2012-03-24 18:13

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Yeah, they're not maemo. They're just rip offs. Like almost everything in China

FlameReaper 2012-03-24 18:54

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As an actual N900 owner like many others... this makes me cringe. Hard.

Larswad 2012-03-24 19:06

Re: N900 was(is) not the Only MAEMO phone meet N500 & Friends :)
 
I've always wondered why chinese always fail so badly when it comes to native product development of this kind. It's like they're missing an important gene or something.
There seem to be a lot of companies there, they have developers but it always ends up half*****ed somehow.
I wonder how these things are done there.

There are also strange things, like a mediaplayer from some unknown chinese company, sold by a reseller here in Sweden under a different name. Small and cheap as hell and it actually managed ISO's, NTFS mounting, 5.1 sound, all that. But the user interfaces was like some donkey had designed it and the menus were incredibly slow.
It's like they give up on the way somehow and say "ah, screw this, lets make a real cheap one and just patch up the rest of the stuff, I want to start with something else".

qwazix 2012-03-24 23:23

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I read that that zte could run debs from diablo unmodified, so maybe it was a kind of maemo after all

anthonie 2012-03-25 09:32

Re: N900 was(is) not the Only MAEMO phone meet N500 & Friends :)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Larswad (Post 1183697)
I've always wondered why chinese always fail so badly when it comes to native product development of this kind. It's like they're missing an important gene or something.
There seem to be a lot of companies there, they have developers but it always ends up half*****ed somehow.
I wonder how these things are done there.

There are also strange things, like a mediaplayer from some unknown chinese company, sold by a reseller here in Sweden under a different name. Small and cheap as hell and it actually managed ISO's, NTFS mounting, 5.1 sound, all that. But the user interfaces was like some donkey had designed it and the menus were incredibly slow.
It's like they give up on the way somehow and say "ah, screw this, lets make a real cheap one and just patch up the rest of the stuff, I want to start with something else".

Word. Al though not Chinese, I always wondered about the Japanese company Konami, and their star title Pro Evolution Soccer. Really, really good game (if you enjoy football, that is), but it comes with horrific interfaces and translation. Not to mention they never managed to bring a visualization of the key bindings to the PC, the ones shown are all in some console setting. So you're on your own finding out how to play one of the most complex football simulators around.

It's bizar. Tiny company taking it up against the big guys (EA Sports), but failing miserably on details as user interaction...

All your base are belong to us.

don_falcone 2012-03-25 12:19

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I dunno... while we Germans certainly over-engineer and have sometimes standards demanding stuff too much, the Chinese have nice ideas but the realization (and reliability) sucks badly. I speak from personal experiences with products of a certain partner company, and our own products.

Sopwith 2012-03-26 06:54

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What's with all the "it's not real Maemo" posts: could those device makers legally download and install Maemo on their phones? If not, then why not? Wasn't Maemo supposed to be open? If we had it running on a dozen of alternative devices, maybe it wouldn't have been so easy for Nokia to piss all over it...

konttori 2012-03-26 07:27

Re: N900 was(is) not the Only MAEMO phone meet N500 & Friends :)
 
All of these phones used maemo 4 as the OS. Maemo 4 was more clearly directly usable open source OS than maemo 5 and meego, which had some of the core components closed.

Anyhoo, fun to see those devices. Brings back memories of maemo 4 times gone by.

konttori 2012-03-26 07:30

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Just and example of how the UIs run on those things:
http://www.slashgear.com/zte-v7-maem...ds-on-0488326/

immi.shk 2012-03-26 07:32

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you said it right bro...
if android can get into any device(even wrist watches) and maemo cant get into a damn single android device.. then WHO IS MORE OPEN-SOURCE ?

danramos 2012-03-26 08:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by konttori (Post 1184138)
All of these phones used maemo 4 as the OS. Maemo 4 was more clearly directly usable open source OS than maemo 5 and meego, which had some of the core components closed.

Anyhoo, fun to see those devices. Brings back memories of maemo 4 times gone by.

But we were clearly and repeatedly told that Maemo 5 was MORE open-source than Maemo 4, that MeeGo was PURE OPEN-SOURCE, and I thought we were clarified that the N9's Harmattan OS wasn't really MeeGo but rather just Maemo with MeeGo-like bits and bobs. Is there something you know that we weren't told or that we can't tell from looking around?

electroaudio 2012-03-26 09:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1184161)
But we were clearly and repeatedly told that Maemo 5 was MORE open-source than Maemo 4, that MeeGo was PURE OPEN-SOURCE

Commercial thinking..
If something is worse then expected, then lie and say that it is "better than ever before" to cover it up ;)

Kangal 2012-03-26 11:17

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Maemo 4 was outstanding for its era. Reminds me of the Zaurus which was a different beast all together.

But by yesteryears standards its a complete flop. Only Maemo 5 was great and privileged but that had a case of NBS (Nokia Board Stuffup Syndrome). And the whole codework just needed a fresh start, it finally had all the tools it always needed:

-Linux 2.6.3
-rpm (great for concurrent download & install)
-KDE (a powerful gui, demonstrates flexibility of developing a gui based off Qt)
-Qt 4.6 (matured toolset to develop easy C++ apps that's highly cross-compatible)
-Necessary tweeks to create a power/performance efficient code system
-ARM (40nm Cortex A8 ushered enough grunt at low power consumption)
-Community (mass interest in 3rd party support and development)
-Market (era of the superphone had arrived with high-speed wireless internet and its adoption)
-Intuitive User Experience (inspired by the iPhone, unique designs followed shortly)

...we all saw these individual parts, yet no-one has brought them together

danramos 2012-03-28 08:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kangal (Post 1184200)
Maemo 4 was outstanding for its era. Reminds me of the Zaurus which was a different beast all together.

But by yesteryears standards its a complete flop. Only Maemo 5 was great and privileged but that had a case of NBS (Nokia Board Stuffup Syndrome). And the whole codework just needed a fresh start, it finally had all the tools it always needed:

...<snip>...

...we all saw these individual parts, yet no-one has brought them together

Yeah... why is that, I wonder?

misterc 2012-03-28 19:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1185033)
Yeah... why is that, I wonder?

and then came Flop...

MINKIN2 2012-03-28 20:19

Re: N900 was(is) not the Only MAEMO phone meet N500 & Friends :)
 
Sorry guys, I was never a maemo4 user so please forgive my ignorance but I would like to ask...

How open source was maemo4?

EDIT: Scratch that, been doing some reading :)

lma 2012-03-28 22:41

Re: N900 was(is) not the Only MAEMO phone meet N500 & Friends :)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1184161)
But we were clearly and repeatedly told that Maemo 5 was MORE open-source than Maemo 4

Nah, that was debunked. Though at the end of the day the relative "openness" isn't that important. They were both just closed enough to make it impossible to move forward.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kangal (Post 1184200)
Maemo 4 was outstanding for its era.

Maemo 4 and the N8x0s are still outstanding in my book, no other device since (and it's been over 5 years already) even came close. It will be a very sad day when my last one dies :-(

szopin 2012-04-07 10:57

Re: N900 was(is) not the Only MAEMO phone meet N500 & Friends :)
 
Do we have chinese members in TMO community? If we could somehow break the language barrier there seem to be quite a few maemo-knowledgable developers in there, doubt maemo.org is firewalled. As maemo idea is viral (not in mass-media sense, in infectious disease sense, once you get it, hard to drop, maybe addiction is better word) pretty sure guys who worked on it still have interest in the platform. Inviting them here could have good results (just shoot grammar nazis on sight)


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