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sixwheeledbeast 2012-09-13 11:20
[N900] Yes, another hildon-home bug thread...
 
OK so recently I have been suffering the infamous hildon-home memory leak.
After 2 days or so hildon-home starts to pop up and use 50% of resources every minute or so getting worse until you reboot, reinstall hildon-home or killall hildon-home.
Yes, I have read all the threads on here and they all end in mystery as to what the cause was, people reflash all is happy.

Out of interest (or for testing purposes) I have slowly been un-installing applications to find the bug.
Finding the bug the hard way is not working so far after uninstalling seemingly half of my applications in HAM.

Is it possible I am fighting a losing game and actually I could un-install everything and still need to reflash?

This is my stable device and I fairly strictly, install applications from extras only. Or if they have been tested for a few months on my testing device and there important, some from testing etc.

My testing device hasn't got this issue and it has some very unstable devel applications on it.
Also installed are all applications that's currently on my stable device too.
This is why I come to ask the above question.

Here's my "maemo-list-user-packages" output.
I have noticed some of these have been uninstalled but still show in the list they have been highlighted.

Code:
100boxes        0.9.0-5        user/games        752
1up        1.1.0-2        user/utilities        148
abook-qrcode        0.4.1        user/office        104
advanced-clock-plugin        0.15.3        user/desktop        744
angrybirds        1.4.2        user/hidden        37300
birthday        0.3-1        user/desktop        88
browser-switchboard        3.3-2fremantle2        user/network        168
callerx        0.1.6        user/utilities        156
celltowerinfo        0.0.2-0maemo2        user/network        164
cl-launcher        0.3-2        user/desktop        160
colorflood        0.6-1        user/games        168
community-ssu-enabler        0.6-7        user/system        108
contact-zoom        0.3-2        user/utilities        72
cooktimer        0.0.2-7        user/utilities        684
copernicium        1.4-2        user/science        264
countdowntimer        0.5-2        user/utilities        164
cpumem-applet        0.0.3        user/utilities        64
crazychickens        0.1-7        user/hidden        916
cssufeatures        2.5-6        user/system        264
custom-operator-name-widget        0.1        user/desktop        100
cutecw        1.0-2        user/education        612
de-lite        1.0.1-1        user/games        268
decoders-support        0.4        user/multimedia        84
demine        0.1.0-fremantle1        user/games        192
epubreader        0.4        user/education        472
espeak        1.46.17        user/multimedia        48
extcalllog        0.6        user/network        180
extended-contacts-search        0.5        user/utilities        68
extkbd        1.0.3        user/system        240
fennec        7.0.1-2        user/network        36160
filebox        0.7-2        user/utilities        2048
flashlight-applet        0.4-5        user/desktop        284
fm-boost        0.2-2fremantle1        user/system        120
fmms        1.3.3        user/network        840
fmradio        2010.03.20        user/multimedia        2172
freecell4maemo        1.0.0-fremantle6        user/games        436
gboggle        1.1.3maemo3-2        user/games        5200
givemefive        0.2.20100104-2        user/games        192
gnumeric        1.10.12-2        user/office        19208
gpsdata        0.4-1        user/navigation        152
gpsjinni        0.6.20100209-2        user/multimedia        320
gtranslate        0.6.1        user/education        344
jspeed        0.1-9        user/navigation        1040
kernel-power-flasher        1:2.6.28-10power50        user/system        240
kernel-power-settings        0.16        user/system        144
leafpad        0.8.17le-0maemo1        user/utilities        944
lens-cover-reminder-sp        0.4        user/desktop        124
libqtm-bearer        1:1.0.2-maemo4+0m5+0cssu1        user/libs        292
libqtm-contacts        1:1.0.2-maemo4+0m5+0cssu1        user/libs        1000
libqtm-location        1:1.0.2-maemo4+0m5+0cssu1        user/libs        248
libqtm-messaging        1:1.0.2-maemo4+0m5+0cssu1        user/libs        840
libqtm-multimedia        1:1.0.2-maemo4+0m5+0cssu1        user/libs        1528
libqtm-publishsubscribe        1:1.0.2-maemo4+0m5+0cssu1        user/libs        236
libqtm-sensors        1:1.0.2-maemo4+0m5+0cssu1        user/libs        328
libqtm-serviceframework        1:1.0.2-maemo4+0m5+0cssu1        user/libs        384
libqtm-systeminfo        1:1.0.2-maemo4+0m5+0cssu1        user/libs        412
libqtm-versit        1:1.0.2-maemo4+0m5+0cssu1        user/libs        456
maesynth        0.1.0-5        user/multimedia        3264
maetronome        0.2.0        user/multimedia        120
mafw-lastfm        0.0.8-1        user/multimedia        200
marble        1.4.0-2        user/navigation        608
marble-maps        1.4.0-2        user/navigation        8188
mbarcode        1.0.3-1        user/utilities        28
mbarcode-plugin-qrcode        0.0.7-5        user/utilities        164
mbarcode-plugin-webrequest        0.1.15-11        user/utilities        156
mbarcode-plugin-wifi        0.1.0-13        user/utilities        76
mbarcode-plugins-all        0.0.2-1        user/utilities        36
mcsp        1.0-6        user/development        44
mirror        2.1-1        user/multimedia        188
mobile-maps-10        8.1.1        user/navigation        4564
monav-routing-daemon        0.3.release-1        user/navigation        276
movie-schedule        0.3.0-3        user/network        504
mp-fremantle-community-pr        21.2011.38-1Smaemo4.1        user/system        12
mspede        1.1.0-0        user/games        496
mussorgsky        0.5.2-3        user/multimedia        292
n900-fmrx-enabler        1.5-4+0m5        user/libs        92
netmon        0.6-1        user/utilities        160
neverputt        1.5.5-3        user/games        224
offscr-anglemeter        1.0.1        user/hidden        972
offscr-backgammon        1.0.2        user/hidden        1660
offscr-banner        1.0.1        user/hidden        856
offscr-discs        1.1.1        user/multimedia        1120
offscr-level        1.0.2        user/hidden        784
offscr-resistors        1.0.1        user/hidden        924
offscr-solitaire        1.1.3        user/hidden        1048
ogg-support        1.1.1        user/multimedia        120
omweather        0.28.13        user/desktop        4108
omweather-weather-com-stations-db        1.0.6        user/desktop        3524
openmediaplayer        20120912-1        user/multimedia        2040
openssh-client        1:5.1p1-6.maemo5        user/network        1192
openssh-server        1:5.1p1-6.maemo5        user/network        456
opera-mobile        11.5beta1-14~fremantle0        user/network        15008
papertoss        1.0.0-4        user/games        612
per-contact-ringtones        1.0.3-0        user/system        296
petrovich        0.2        user/system        76
pierogi        1.1.5        user/utilities        1420
powatool        0.1        user/utilities        88
powerphone        1.1.0        user/games        243
powertop        1.2        user/development        84
presencevnc        0.8        user/network        392
proximityd        0.2.2        user/system        88
psswitcher        0.2-3        user/system        152
pyobd        0.9.2-22        user/utilities        588
pyrecipe        0.5.1-3        user/utilities        492
qcpufreq        0.4.1-1        user/system        308
qlister        0.2-7        user/utilities        92
qmltube        1.1.1        user/multimedia        4900
qnitconverter        0.4-2        user/utilities        148
qthello        1.2-1        user/games        656
qtquickcompat        0.1.0+0cssu1        user/development        8
queen-beecon        1.3.3        user/desktop        564
reactionfaceoff        0.0.1-3        user/games        9424
recorder        0.3.4        user/multimedia        240
rootsh        1.8        user/system        32
rulerjinni        1.0.20100104-3        user/utilities        248
scoresheet        1.0-1        user/utilities        140
scout        0.1.5        user/office        240
seriesfinale        0.6.9-1        user/utilities        372
sgt-puzzles        8853-1maemo3        user/games        1704
shortcutd        0.1.4-1        user/system        240
showtime        1.2-9        user/utilities        2756
simple-brightness-applet        1.1-1maemo0        user/desktop        64
smscon        0.9.17-1        user/utilities        516
smscon-editor        0.9.12-1        user/network        476
smw        1.7-3        user/games        28048
starhash-enabler        0.2        user/system        16
status-area-orientationlock-applet        1.0+0cssu3.1        user/desktop        164
stopish        0.9.3-1        user/utilities        148
storageusage        1.1.4        user/utilities        216
sudser        0.2.0-4        user/system        36
swappolube        1.4-2        user/system        244
tar-gnu        1.22-2maemo5        user/system        2360
thembloodyducks        1.1.3        user/games        2044
theremin        1.8.1-3        user/multimedia        660
threetictac        0.7-2        user/games        308
timerjinni        1.1.20100223-2        user/utilities        264
tracker-cfg        0.3.2-4        user/system        136
tuner        0.1.3        user/multimedia        132
tweakflashver        0.4.0-maemo1        user/utilities        212
tweakr        0.0.17-2        user/system        228
unnethack        3.5.3-19        user/games        3244
vumeter        0.11.2        user/multimedia        192
wallpaeper        0.6.2        user/utilities        344
wifi-switcher        0.0.10        user/desktop        140
wifiinfo        0.10.20100104-2        user/utilities        712
wok        1.0-3        user/games        1016
wordsler        0.3.1        user/games        3800
Do we think there is an application somewhere causing this for some to be affected and others not?

Will the solution ever be found and how?

There is a possibly it's an application long un-installed that's broken something, Will what it has damaged be reinstallable?

I have install --reinstall"ed"
Code:
hildon-home
hildon-desktop
hildon-input-method
hildon-control-panel
hildon-status-menu
Answers, solutions, theories and comments all welcome.

imo 2012-09-13 11:24
Re: [N900] Yes, another hildon-home thread...
 
yes there is always a problem with hildon home ,Reboot ,most of the time is the only solution .It gets worse by the time ,so eventually you need to reflash your device .Cssu doesnt offer any help either .There should be something done about it . Thanks sixwheeled for bringing this up .

sixwheeledbeast 2012-09-14 17:50
Re: [N900] Yes, another hildon-home bug thread...
 
Can't believe I am the only one with this issue and want to try to get it solved?

Copernicus 2012-09-14 18:15
Re: [N900] Yes, another hildon-home bug thread...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sixwheeledbeast (Post 1266468)
Can't believe I am the only one with this issue and want to try to get it solved?
Hmm. Not that it helps much, but I haven't yet seen this issue on my N900s. One point of interest, though -- browsing through the threads, it looks like everyone thinks widgets are the cause (although nobody seems to have pinned down a particular offending widget). I actually don't run any widgets, which may be why I haven't hit the problem yet.

Is there a difference in the widgets running on your test machine and your stable machine?

sixwheeledbeast 2012-09-14 18:31
Re: [N900] Yes, another hildon-home bug thread...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Copernicus (Post 1266486)
Hmm. Not that it helps much, but I haven't yet seen this issue on my N900s. One point of interest, though -- browsing through the threads, it looks like everyone thinks widgets are the cause (although nobody seems to have pinned down a particular offending widget). I actually don't run any widgets, which may be why I haven't hit the problem yet.

Is there a difference in the widgets running on your test machine and your stable machine?
No, the first thing I did after reading all the threads on here was remove all the "not pinned down" application suggestions including all widgets.

I have even apt-get remove the whole default rss app.

I have two widgets on my test device but none on my stable.
Also as I say the applications on my stable are the same as on my testing device now.

This is why I am asking the questions as nobody has really found an answer as to what causes it.

I would hate for a bug in a "stable" extras applcation not to be found causing this misery to many not in the know.
My thoery behind it being an applcation is a non-TMO friend has the same problem but not to the same extent.

He only uses the extras catalogue and has never ever used any other repos or CSSU.

Thanks for your suggestions, I thought I was going to be talking to myself for a while...

freemangordon 2012-09-14 18:40
Re: [N900] Yes, another hildon-home bug thread...
 
maybe you should try to trace memory allocations, though I simply don't know if it is possible on the device itself

imo 2012-09-14 19:37
Re: [N900] Yes, another hildon-home bug thread...
 
3 desktop windows with 11 widgets on plus around 80 apps icons in app menu.When things are up and running in the background ,xorg shows up with 16 to 17 % of cpu usage .Hildon home also uses upto 11 % to 22 % of the cpu but only sometimes unlike that of xorg and also there is pulse audio,one of another culprit. I was really considering to do a Reflash today but since i have taken a lot of notes with penpen application ,kept me reluctant to do sucha thing . I wish it could be like any frigging fast device.Atleast there should have been some improvements after cssu .Actually without cssu ,N900 runs faster but looks a bit boring yeah . I hope some one blends something into hildon home .I read somewhere though that Xorg is the main culprit but on the other hand ,it is most necessary thing to keep the N900 up and running . Adios

Edit : between my N900 runs great .No problem what so ever ,its just that sometimes it gets so slow and kinda frustrating one . Sixwheeled problem is pretty much serious though .

peterleinchen 2012-09-14 19:40
Re: [N900] Yes, another hildon-home bug thread...
 
Hey six wheeler,

is it like the process goes crazy and takes lot of cpu? And you do not recognize it, everything works normally, but you notice it by battery drain? Killing the process will get it started again and sort it out until next time happening?

If so gimme some more info, maybe I have a workaround for you. As on my device I experience that with hildon-desktop and made myself a solution (I have desktop-cmd-exec under suspicion).

sixwheeledbeast 2012-09-14 20:03
Re: [N900] Yes, another hildon-home bug thread...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by peterleinchen (Post 1266526)
Hey six wheeler,

is it like the process goes crazy and takes lot of cpu? And you do not recognize it, everything works normally, but you notice it by battery drain? Killing the process will get it started again and sort it out until next time happening?
Yes fairly similar.
It happens after a few days or so of light browsing with opera, heavy media player use and fairly heavy phone use. This is my normal usage pattern for the last 2 years or more.

This bug has happened on occasion in the past but it has more recently gone from happening maybe every month or more to 1-2 days.

It seems to be related to usage as if I reboot on a Friday the bug will not appear until Tuesday-Wednesday. If I reboot on a Monday it will be normally reappear by Wednesday.
I generally use the media player and phone applications a lot less of a weekend.

hildon-home starts popping up in top with about 50% CPU every minute or so. If you leave it for another day or so, eventually you notice heavy battery drain and hildon-home not responding messages under heavy load. At this point hildon-home is using 99% for long periods of time.

Although I am interested in your workaround my aim is to populate enough information to find the problem and get it fixed.

peterleinchen 2012-09-14 20:52
Re: [N900] Yes, another hildon-home bug thread...
 
Here is my workaround. I hope it helps you to sort it out. Keep me/us informed.


I am still looking for a solution/workaround to detect "hanging" of hildon-home, not reacting on touches, and let me missing all notifications.
I can not detect and have no idea, when this happens. Any suggestions?


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