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woody14619 2012-09-06 15:48

[Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 

Thanks to all, the election process is over. Right now we have a much larger issue going on, involving the transfer of Maemo to the community. Please read this thread for details on how you can help.




For unknown reasons, the Community Council Blog post did not generate a matching TMO thread. This thread will be used to discuss the upcoming election and any questions related to it. The blog item as been updated to link to this thread.

While it's been just over 5 months, the current Council feels that due to timing considerations the next Community Council elections are due at this time.
This election will be a very special one, considering the state of Maemo and Nokia and how things have unfolded over the past few months.


The election timescale (all times UTC) is as follows:

For Council the election timescale is as follows:
Nominations open: 00:00, Saturday, 15th September 2012
Nominations close: 23:59, Friday, 28th September 2012
Voting opens: 00:00, Saturday, 6th October 2012
Voting closes: 23:59, Friday, 12th October 2012

Nominations close: 23:59, Sunday, 28th October 2012
Voting opens: 00:00, Friday, 2nd November 2012
Voting closes: 23:59, Thursday, 8th November 2012

For Board the election timescale is as follows:
Nominations open: 00:00, Saturday, 15th September 2012
Nominations close: 23:59, Friday, 28th September 2012
Voting opens: 00:00, Saturday, 6th October 2012
Voting closes: 23:59, Friday, 12th October 2012

Voting opens: 00:00, Friday, 12th October 2012
Voting closes: 23:59, Thursday, 18th October 2012


What will be decided?

This year there are two elections to be run in parallel.

COUNCIL MEMBERS - The council is a body of volunteers taken from the Maemo community that acts as a focal point for the community. Historically, Council's role has been limited to representing developers on, and users of, maemo.org to Nokia (and vice versa). Examples of council activity can be found on the Council homepage or in the blog. The role of Council will continue to be as it was before, as a group to work with the Community, and act as a focal point for communication with group in charge of services needed by the community to continue, whomever that turns out to be.

BOARD MEMBERS- Due to Nokia's state, its funding for maemo.org in 2013 is uncertain. The community is working on bylaws for a new legal entity (currently with the working title “Hildon Foundation”) that can legally inherit the domain name or have donations (monetary, hardware and/or data) from Nokia, the current providers, and community members, which can be used to continue operation of resources vital to the community. The bylaws are currently in discussion, and will be formalized shortly. The initial Board for the Foundation will be elected parallel to, and with the same election rules and requirements as, those currently established for Council elections. It is expected that the Board elected for this new entity will adopt the community's desired bylaws and be ready to take the reigns as soon as the entity is ready for operation.

How does the vote work?

Each member of maemo.org, who has an account that is more than 3 months old and who has earned over 10 "karma" points on that account, gets an electronic ballot. This election ballot is a pair of "single transferrable votes". Voters will rank their Council candidates in order of preference; understanding that if their top candidate cannot get elected with the votes they receive, the votes are redistributed by rank order until all five seats have been allocated. They will then be able to vote for Board members in the same manner as the Council election above, with the list of candidates running for that body.

What's next?

Community members should be considering whether they want to stand for Council, the Board, or possibly for both. Anyone who has karma of over 100 is eligible to stand, including employees and sub-contractors of Nokia. When nominations open, you can nominate someone via an email to the maemo-community mailing list (which they must reply to and accept in order to be considered a candidate) or you can put your own hat into the ring by emailing the same list indicating such.

To be clear, candidates may choose to run for the Board, for Council, or for both bodies. Elections will be held at the same time, but each body will be voted on and tabulated completely separately. If a single candidate runs for both positions, they will appear in both ballot lists. At no point will vote tallies flow from one election source into the other.

Update Oct-2:

The list of nominees is complete, with one nominee pending Karma recalculation. Please review the list, and feel free to ask questions either here, on the mailing list, or on the wiki page. All candidates will be encouraged to answer community questions, preferably in a format that can be easily wiki-fied.

Just as a reminder, those that want to vote should be sure they have 10 Karma. Note that in order for your TMO activity to count, you must link your TMO account to your Maemo.org account. Be sure to do that if you have not done so already!

ivgalvez 2012-09-06 15:59

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 
As the coding competition is about to end very soon, we should substitute the logo with another one about the voting, pointing to this thread.

Dave999 2012-09-06 16:04

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 
Can I nominate people or are you only allowed to nominate yourself in person?

thedead1440 2012-09-06 16:06

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 
Dave you can nominate people via the mailing list...

woody14619 2012-09-06 16:32

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 
You can, in fact, nominate anyone who meets the requirements. Please note however that the nomination period does not begin until September 15th. Also note that the nominee must reply to and accept the nomination on the mailing list to be considered as standing for the election.

Due to the wording of the election rules, the announcement of the election must happen at least one month prior to the actual election. This timing is the traditional method of holding the elections, and is designed to provide adequate advanced notice for everyone able to participate of the pending election process.

misterc 2012-09-06 17:12

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 
no idea where this will go (if anywhere), but in order to get a clearer picture of what we are getting ourselves into...
Q1) when will the new Council enter into office?
Q2) when will the Board enter into office?
Q˝) will both terms overlap?
Q3) when and how will we accept or reject the "by-laws"?

vi_ 2012-09-06 17:18

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 
I nominate the entire current council.

Dave999 2012-09-06 17:19

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 
Will both the Board and the Council have a President?

The Gentleman/Lady with most votes?

how many underlords in The Board and the Council?

SD69 2012-09-06 18:26

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1262283)
no idea where this will go (if anywhere), but in order to get a clearer picture of what we are getting ourselves into...
Q1) when will the new Council enter into office?
Q2) when will the Board enter into office?
Q˝) will both terms overlap?
Q3) when and how will we accept or reject the "by-laws"?

The new Council officially replaces the current council at the completion of the election although there is usually some delay and handover.

The Board being elected is for the new non-profit (that doesn't exist quite yet). So they don't start until there is an official meeting of the nonprofit at which each of the elected Board members formally accepts the position.

The council term is 6 months from the date of the election (although Nokia is likely to cut off before then - 12/31/2012). The Board's term is one year from whenever they take office. Despite being held at the same time, these elections are for different organizations and the overlap circumstantial (although it is my personal hope that the nonprofit can continue to use the community council body for facilitating maemo projects).

The bylaws process is going on now through community review and will continue as long as needed. We will be working to have a much improved draft by Sept 17th so that it can serve as a reference point during the Board elections. If there is a provision of concern in the bylaws, then it should be debated in conjunction with the Board election and asked of the Board candidates rather than the Community Council candidates.

jalyst 2012-09-06 18:32

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 
Thread where by-laws are being discussed, & much of the above post is explained:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=86290

sifo 2012-09-06 18:43

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vi_ (Post 1262286)
I nominate the entire current council.

+1 for me

since Estel is down from the council i nominate Arie according to the last election result ;)

./sifo

misterc 2012-09-06 19:15

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 1262314)
The new Council officially replaces the current council at the completion of the election although there is usually some delay and handover.

The Board being elected is for the new non-profit (that doesn't exist quite yet). So they don't start until there is an official meeting of the nonprofit at which each of the elected Board members formally accepts the position.

The council term is 6 months from the date of the election (although Nokia is likely to cut off before then - 12/31/2012). The Board's term is one year from whenever they take office. Despite being held at the same time, these elections are for different organizations and the overlap circumstantial (although it is my personal hope that the nonprofit can continue to use the community council body for facilitating maemo projects).

The bylaws process is going on now through community review and will continue as long as needed. We will be working to have a much improved draft by Sept 17th so that it can serve as a reference point during the Board elections. If there is a provision of concern in the bylaws, then it should be debated in conjunction with the Board election and asked of the Board candidates rather than the Community Council candidates.

thanks Rob!
sounds good to me :)

now to a more immediate but also important aspect of the election of the board (and, concurrently, the Council, of course).

for the Q2 election we introduced the "wiki page" format presentation / introduction for each candidate. that's all nice and dandy but leaves maybe too much latitude to the candidate and the voters with to many unanswered questions.

could we this time introduce a Q&A format, maybe a "mud thread" which would also put each and every candidate to the test of the daily churning of the Council activity (i.e. standing word and answer to the community on a thread)?

Dave999 2012-09-06 19:40

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 
Does anyone of the current council run again?

woody14619 2012-09-06 21:33

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1262335)
for the Q2 election we introduced the "wiki page" format presentation / introduction for each candidate. that's all nice and dandy but leaves maybe too much latitude to the candidate and the voters with to many unanswered questions.

could we this time introduce a Q&A format, maybe a "mud thread" which would also put each and every candidate to the test of the daily churning of the Council activity (i.e. standing word and answer to the community on a thread)?

While I like the idea, we did have a Q&A on the wiki page last year, than anyone could have added to at any time. In fact, there were a couple of late questions, which most nominees (including all that were elected that cycle I believe) answered.

There were also a number of questions asked in the main thread here, and on the mailing list that each candidate answered.

I would like to see the Q&A stuff on the wiki page again. I just want to make sure you're proposing something in addition to what was done last time, and not in replacement of it, as I think the last cycle the election went well and presented a lot of good information to those looking to vote.

woody14619 2012-09-06 21:43

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1262287)
Will both the Board and the Council have a President?

The structure of the Board to date is that of equals. The Board (by the current bylaws) may create a position of President, or Chairman, and appoint that title. But initially, there is no requirement to do so.

The Council has traditionally had a Chairman, elected by the Council shortly after they are elected, who is responsible for a few things on top of normal Council duties. (Announcing elections, speaking on behalf of the Council when one voice is needed, etc.)

Quote:

Originally Posted by vi_ (Post 1262286)
I nominate the entire current council.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1262343)
Does anyone of the current council run again?

Hold your horses there buckaroos, nominations don't even start until the 15th (and must be made the mailing list). We needed to announce 30 days before the vote based on the election rules, which is what this announcement was (that and the scheduled alarm went off a week ago on my N900, and I'm tired of hitting snooze). I for one haven't even considered if I'll run again, as I've been quite busy with my current duties, job, and life. I suspect most of the current Council are in a similar state.

ivgalvez 2012-09-07 07:13

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 
Although it has been clearly advised that any candidate can apply to both Council and Board, I'd like to share my personal opinion in this question.

Council activities can be very time consuming and adding Board duties to that, could be a bit too much for most of the people (real life issues, work, etc). So I really think it would be better to have different people running for each position. That would also prevent that in case someone needs to step down from Maemo activities (for whatever reason) we would loose a member of both organisations.

I haven't decided myself if I will run again for Council or for Board, but unless we really need more candidates, I will only apply for one position.

jalyst 2012-09-15 15:20

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by woody14619 (Post 1262240)
How does the vote work?
Each member of maemo.org, who has an account that is more than 3 months old and who has earned over 10 "karma" points on that account, gets an electronic ballot. This election ballot is a pair of "single transferrable votes". Voters will rank their Council candidates in order of preference; understanding that if their top candidate cannot get elected with the votes they receive, the votes are redistributed by rank order until all five seats have been allocated. They will then be able to vote for Board members in the same manner as the Council election above, with the list of candidates running for that body.
.

Why does it have to be based on your maemo.org account and karma points...
Why not just how long you've been rego'd at TMO & how many posts/thanks there?
Many users who've only come on board since Harmattan won't meet this requirement, even older members in some cases.
Seems a bit discriminatory.....

Quote:

Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 1262314)
The bylaws process is going on now through community review and will continue as long as needed. We will be working to have a much improved draft by Sept 17th so that it can serve as a reference point during the Board elections. If there is a provision of concern in the bylaws, then it should be debated in conjunction with the Board election and asked of the Board candidates rather than the Community Council candidates.

Well we haven't had much "to & fro" in that thread yet, so I'd hope you wouldn't close-off the by-laws for review on the 17th.
Also in the OP of this thread, it should be made clear exactly how many councilors & board members there will be, IIRC it was clarified in the by-laws thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ivgalvez (Post 1262480)
Although it has been clearly advised that any candidate can apply to both Council and Board, I'd like to share my personal opinion in this question.
Council activities can be very time consuming and adding Board duties to that, could be a bit too much for most of the people (real life issues, work, etc). So I really think it would be better to have different people running for each position. That would also prevent that in case someone needs to step down from Maemo activities (for whatever reason) we would loose a member of both organisations.
I haven't decided myself if I will run again for Council or for Board, but unless we really need more candidates, I will only apply for one position.

I'd go a step further & suggest that people can nominate for both, but if they win in both categories then they have to pick one role, & whomever was runner-up takes the other.
(Assuming there's enough suitable runner-up candidates who can & want to step-up of course)
Most users offering to fill these roles are already very busy in their "real lives", they're going to struggle filling one of the roles effectively let alone both.

thedead1440 2012-09-15 15:34

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 
jalyst, you can actually link your TMO account to maemo account to get the thanks and posts counted into karma...

Although IIRC it does take time for the above process to complete hence why I remember I wasn't allowed to vote in the Q2 council elections...I was too new...This time round though I think I may be allowed but ya there will be a huge number of users who won't be allowed to vote...Then again I'm not too sure how the karma system works and why its given that importance so I rather not comment on the appropriateness of karma...

Dave999 2012-09-15 15:39

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 
I vote for jalyst!

Most posts should be president.

Why use karma?

jalyst 2012-09-15 15:42

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1266936)
jalyst, you can actually link your TMO account to maemo account to get the thanks and posts counted into karma...
Although IIRC it does take time for the above process to complete hence why I remember I wasn't allowed to vote in the Q2 council elections...I was too new...This time round though I think I may be allowed but ya there will be a huge number of users who won't be allowed to vote...Then again I'm not too sure how the karma system works and why its given that importance so I rather not comment on the appropriateness of karma...

Well there you go, you learn something new every day, I never knew that, I'm amazed I've missed that over the years!
Still seems a bit cumbersome, leaves out way too many people who dont even know about it & probably should be part of the process etc.
But no doubt this has all been carefully considered, & this approach deemed the best option for a range of reasons...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1266942)
I vote for jalyst!
Most posts should be president.
Why use karma?

I'm not running for either, zero interest, other than ensuring some decent users get into both roles. :)

thedead1440 2012-09-15 15:59

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 
Yup I'm amazed how you missed that out too :p It was quite widely publicised during the last Council election about linking one's TMO account to your maemo account...You have to copy the link to your TMO profile to your maemo.org account under the TMO section and click on link IIRC...

It takes around a week for the karma to be updated...

Maemo.org doesn't seem to be loading fine for me ATM hence I can't post the screens or the exact locations for the linking...Will update once I can access it...

jalyst 2012-09-15 16:06

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 
I've never partaken that closely in community governance/admin matters, & in the last 6mth I've increasingly followed TMO less (too busy IRL).
But at the same time my interest & concern in community governance/admin matters has become more heightened. :)

SD69 2012-09-16 14:21

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1266936)

Although IIRC it does take time for the above process to complete hence why I remember I wasn't allowed to vote in the Q2 council elections...I was too new...This time round though I think I may be allowed but ya there will be a huge number of users who won't be allowed to vote..

To clarify, there are over 5,000 members who are not only "allowed" to vote, but each of whom we send an email inviting them to vote. Historically, less than 1,000 bother to take advantage of this privilege. The voting process may not have been implemented perfectly in the past, but certainly it does not have an exclusionary bias.

thedead1440 2012-09-16 14:52

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 1267402)
To clarify, there are over 5,000 members who are not only "allowed" to vote, but each of whom we send an email inviting them to vote. Historically, less than 1,000 bother to take advantage of this privilege. The voting process may not have been implemented perfectly in the past, but certainly it does not have an exclusionary bias.

SD69, I didn't mean to say it has an exclusionary bias its just that during Q2, 2012 elections it was quite apparent that many of those members who joined only after Harmattan came out would have missed the chance to vote as their karma wasn't enough...

This time round I'm not too sure whether that stands as there have been a number of members who have joined only this year so its probable a number of them won't be eligible to vote due to their karma...

In fact, if you read my next posts you'll see I clearly mentioned that it was quite publicised during the previous election on how TMO account should be linked to one's maemo account...

Yes, I agree with you not many people actually end up voting and I'm happy to apologize if you felt that I was demeaning Council's efforts to get as many votes as possible...My point was simply to jalyst to inform him about the Karma linkage being possible and the system is such that there is a possibility that those who joined due to Harmattan don't be eligible to vote...

After all, you can't include everyone as there will always be people joining and you can't accomodate all...There have to be certain restrictions on voting and I'm quite happy with the current system as is instead of suggesting something that might rock the boat...

SD69 2012-09-16 15:42

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1267419)
SD69, I didn't mean to say it has an exclusionary bias its just that during Q2, 2012 elections it was quite apparent that many of those members who joined only after Harmattan came out would have missed the chance to vote as their karma wasn't enough...
This time round I'm not too sure whether that stands as there have been a number of members who have joined only this year so its probable a number of them won't be eligible to vote due to their karma...

No problem . You didn't say there was a bias; I just wanted to clarify. The waiting period is only 3 months. IIRC, Harmattan came out more than three months ago. The current karma criteria to vote of 10 is relatively easy to reach.

Quote:

Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1267419)
After all, you can't include everyone as there will always be people joining and you can't accomodate all...There have to be certain restrictions on voting and I'm quite happy with the current system as is instead of suggesting something that might rock the boat...

The bigger problem is the opposite, that karma points never expire and we still accommodate people who haven't participated for years.

thedead1440 2012-09-16 15:52

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 
Ah only 10 karma points...I don't know why I was under the impression that 100 karma points was the minimum required hence I thought it was not that easy for someone to participate in the vote...

At only 10 karma points there shouldn't be any trouble for anyone to vote!

SD69 2012-09-16 16:04

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1267453)
Ah only 10 karma points...I don't know why I was under the impression that 100 karma points was the minimum required hence I thought it was not that easy for someone to participate in the vote...

At only 10 karma points there shouldn't be any trouble for anyone to vote!

100 karma points is the criteria to be a community council member.

jalyst 2012-09-16 18:18

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 1267402)
The voting process may not have been implemented perfectly in the past, but certainly it does not have an exclusionary bias.

Certainly wasn't meaning to suggest anything offensive, I did clarify in subsequent posts that no doubt it was the best option that could be devised.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 1267449)
No problem . You didn't say there was a bias; I just wanted to clarify. The waiting period is only 3 months.

So if I try to link my maemo.org acct to TMO now I have to wait 3mths???

And what of this idea/thought
Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1266928)
I'd go a step further & suggest that people can nominate for both, but if they win in both categories then they have to pick one role, & whomever was runner-up takes the other.
(Assuming there's enough suitable runner-up candidates who can & want to step-up of course)
Most users offering to fill these roles are already very busy in their "real lives", they're going to struggle filling one of the roles effectively let alone both.

Cheers

SD69 2012-09-16 18:44

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1267549)


So if I try to link my maemo.org acct to TMO now I have to wait 3mths???

No. But there is a delay of a few days for the link to take effect.

woody14619 2012-09-17 20:58

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1266928)
Why does it have to be based on your maemo.org account and karma points...

The election rules have been in place for quite a long time. These are not something we pulled out of a hat recently. ;)

The Karma process is designed to track participation, not just in the forums but in other arenas as well. In fact, giving Karma for participation in the forums was more of an afterthought, since the other services and tools existed before Maemo.org had a forum. (TMO was actually pulled into the existing structure, and before that had been it's own forum, with a separate name.)


Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1266928)
Many users who've only come on board since Harmattan won't meet this requirement, even older members in some cases.
Seems a bit discriminatory.....

This is not true at all. The time frame is 3 months, which considering there are elections every 6 months, is about half the term. The requirements of 10 Karma to vote are actually quite low. (The 100 Karma requirement is to run for office, not to vote.)

All of the requirements were designed to ensure that people running for positions, and those electing them, were valid and real people with at least a few months of knowledge and experience. Without this, anyone could simply create a bunch of fake accounts the day of the election and cast tons of ballots.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1266928)
I'd hope you wouldn't close-off the by-laws for review on the 17th.
Also in the OP of this thread, it should be made clear exactly how many councilors & board members there will be, IIRC it was clarified in the by-laws thread.

The wording, if you read it, was that we had hopped to have a stable version in place by the 17th, to allow those considering nomination a clear view of their expected role.

As for the number of people being elected, that can vary. For Council, the number is either 5, or in a special case as few as 3. For the Board, the same process is being used for this cycle. Future cycles will be determined as set forth in the bylaws.


Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1266928)
I'd go a step further & suggest that people can nominate for both, but if they win in both categories then they have to pick one role, & whomever was runner-up takes the other.

On this we disagree. While I would note that taking both roles would consume a large amount of personal time, I see no reason to bar one person from holding two seats. In fact, there could be some advantage in having at least one member who is dual-seated. The roles of the two bodies are quite different though, so finding a person who is qualified in both fields will not be as common.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1266928)
Most users offering to fill these roles are already very busy in their "real lives", they're going to struggle filling one of the roles effectively let alone both.

Agreed. But at the same time the pool of potential candidates is also shrinking. Which would you prefer to see? One person taking two roles, or one taking a single role and having the second role go to someone less qualified, or that only a few people voted for, or perhaps even left empty? The reason the rules for the number being elected are structured they way they are is in part to prevent a defacto election to Council of all those on the ballot if there are only 4 or 5.

These election rules have served the community well for some time. This, in part, is why the Board is using/cloning these rules as best it can. It's a known working and validated system. :)

woody14619 2012-09-17 21:07

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1266942)
Why use karma?

On a side note: There may, in the not so distant future, be a problem with generating Karma as it stands today. Depending on what parts of the system migrate, and how that all works, Karma may have to be changed, or a new method determined.

I would encourage everyone in the community to let that kernel sink into their mind, and begin considering alternatives to the Karma system. One of the roles of the next Council may in fact be to find or invent a replacement for Karma, and fix the existing Council rules (via referendum) before the next election cycle.

Karma is actually a really well thought out system, even if it's implementation has "issues" at times. It helps prevent duplicate accounts/votes, and provides a reasonable measuring stick, both to inform users of the level of contribution to the community, and to set minimums for participation in some activities. It would not be easy to replace if part of it were no longer computable, or available for use...

woody14619 2012-09-17 21:15

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 
Also of note:

As of yesterday, nominations are open. While your comments on nomination and such are appreciated here, to be official you must submit the nomination to the community mailing list.

misterc 2012-09-17 21:59

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by woody14619 (Post 1268144)
Also of note:

As of yesterday, nominations are open. While your comments on nomination and such are appreciated here, to be official you must submit the nomination to the community mailing list.

i take it that the list of eligible members comes from this list up to asys3 on page 25...

is there already a nomination close?

jalyst 2012-09-18 09:26

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by woody14619 (Post 1268135)
The Karma process is designed to track participation, not just in the forums but in other arenas as well. In fact, giving Karma for participation in the forums was more of an afterthought, since the other services and tools existed before Maemo.org had a forum. (TMO was actually pulled into the existing structure, and before that had been it's own forum, with a separate name.)
This is not true at all. The time frame is 3 months, which considering there are elections every 6 months, is about half the term. The requirements of 10 Karma to vote are actually quite low. (The 100 Karma requirement is to run for office, not to vote.)
All of the requirements were designed to ensure that people running for positions, and those electing them, were valid and real people with at least a few months of knowledge and experience. Without this, anyone could simply create a bunch of fake accounts the day of the election and cast tons of ballots.

Yes most of this was already addressed by prior posts, but thanks for the further detail.

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The wording, if you read it, was that we had hopped to have a stable version in place by the 17th, to allow those considering nomination a clear view of their expected role.
Oh I read it, these things can sometime be open to interpretation, which is why I sought clarification, no slight intended whatsoever.

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As for the number of people being elected, that can vary. For Council, the number is either 5, or in a special case as few as 3. For the Board, the same process is being used for this cycle. Future cycles will be determined as set forth in the bylaws.
Yep, know this one, but thanks!

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On this we disagree. While I would note that taking both roles would consume a large amount of personal time, I see no reason to bar one person from holding two seats. In fact, there could be some advantage in having at least one member who is dual-seated. The roles of the two bodies are quite different though, so finding a person who is qualified in both fields will not be as common.
Agreed. But at the same time the pool of potential candidates is also shrinking. Which would you prefer to see? One person taking two roles, or one taking a single role and having the second role go to someone less qualified, or that only a few people voted for, or perhaps even left empty? The reason the rules for the number being elected are structured they way they are is in part to prevent a defacto election to Council of all those on the ballot if there are only 4 or 5.
It's a question of exactly how it all evolves/unfolds isn't it....
In an ideal world we'd have no one doing dual roles except for maybe one (debatable IMO), & they'd all be suitable for their positions & have popular support.
I guess the best we can do is try to aim for that ideal, & as/if it becomes apparent that's not feasible, THEN we can adsorb more "dual rolers".

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Originally Posted by woody14619 (Post 1268135)
The election rules have been in place for quite a long time. These are not something we pulled out of a hat recently. ;)
These election rules have served the community well for some time. This, in part, is why the Board is using/cloning these rules as best it can. It's a known working and validated system. :)

Yes, I already conceded all that before any response, but thanks for the further detail/background.

woody14619 2012-09-18 16:56

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 
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Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1268171)
i take it that the list of eligible members comes from this list up to asys3 on page 25...

is there already a nomination close?

The nominations just opened on the 15th. As noted in the OP, nominations for both the Council and the Board run until the 28th.

Please, I ask all of you, spread the word on this, and encourage those you think would be good for the position(s) to apply.

woody14619 2012-09-18 17:00

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 
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Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1268318)
Oh I read it, these things can sometime be open to interpretation, which is why I sought clarification, no slight intended whatsoever.

I took none, and hope I didn't give the impression I had. Communicating in written word often doesn't impart mood, which can be problematic. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1268318)
It's a question of exactly how it all evolves/unfolds isn't it....
In an ideal world we'd have no one doing dual roles except for maybe one (debatable IMO), & they'd all be suitable for their positions & have popular support.

Agreed. But since we don't live in an ideal world, we're explicitly not making it a rule that one must withdraw from one to be in the other. I would hope that most would see being in both will be very time consuming and would not put themselves in that position if they don't have the time, skills, and energy to stand for the term.

jalyst 2012-09-18 17:08

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 
Shouldn't we explicitly not make it a (conditional/temporary) rule after things are much clearer? Night.

Texrat 2012-09-19 20:34

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 
I submitted a self-nomination to the maemo-community list for Hildon Foundation candidacy, but used the wrong email address so it's being held pending moderator approval. If i need to resubmit using original email address, I can.

Texrat 2012-09-19 20:37

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 
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Originally Posted by woody14619 (Post 1268142)
On a side note: There may, in the not so distant future, be a problem with generating Karma as it stands today. Depending on what parts of the system migrate, and how that all works, Karma may have to be changed, or a new method determined.

I have already developed an improved karma method and would be glad to share when the time comes.

woody14619 2012-09-20 00:49

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 
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Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1268586)
Shouldn't we explicitly not make it a (conditional/temporary) rule after things are much clearer? Night.

As noted in my reply to misterrc, there are valid reasons for now explicitly forcing one or the other. Please check that posting out and let me know what you think.


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