[Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
Thanks to all, the election process is over. Right now we have a much larger issue going on, involving the transfer of Maemo to the community. Please read this thread for details on how you can help. For unknown reasons, the Community Council Blog post did not generate a matching TMO thread. This thread will be used to discuss the upcoming election and any questions related to it. The blog item as been updated to link to this thread. While it's been just over 5 months, the current Council feels that due to timing considerations the next Community Council elections are due at this time. This election will be a very special one, considering the state of Maemo and Nokia and how things have unfolded over the past few months. The election timescale (all times UTC) is as follows: For Council the election timescale is as follows: Nominations open: 00:00, Saturday, 15th September 2012 Voting opens: 00:00, Saturday, 6th October 2012 Voting closes: 23:59, Friday, 12th October 2012 Nominations close: 23:59, Sunday, 28th October 2012 Voting opens: 00:00, Friday, 2nd November 2012 Voting closes: 23:59, Thursday, 8th November 2012 For Board the election timescale is as follows: Nominations open: 00:00, Saturday, 15th September 2012 Nominations close: 23:59, Friday, 28th September 2012 Voting closes: 23:59, Friday, 12th October 2012 Voting opens: 00:00, Friday, 12th October 2012 Voting closes: 23:59, Thursday, 18th October 2012 What will be decided? This year there are two elections COUNCIL MEMBERS - The council is a body of volunteers taken from the Maemo community that acts as a focal point for the community. Historically, Council's role has been limited to representing developers on, and users of, maemo.org to Nokia (and vice versa). Examples of council activity can be found on the Council homepage or in the blog. The role of Council will continue to be as it was before, as a group to work with the Community, and act as a focal point for communication with group in charge of services needed by the community to continue, whomever that turns out to be. BOARD MEMBERS- Due to Nokia's state, its funding for maemo.org in 2013 is uncertain. The community is working on bylaws for a new legal entity (currently with the working title “Hildon Foundation”) that can legally inherit the domain name or have donations (monetary, hardware and/or data) from Nokia, the current providers, and community members, which can be used to continue operation of resources vital to the community. The bylaws are currently in discussion, and will be formalized shortly. The initial Board for the Foundation will be elected parallel to, and with the same election rules and requirements as, those currently established for Council elections. It is expected that the Board elected for this new entity will adopt the community's desired bylaws and be ready to take the reigns as soon as the entity is ready for operation. How does the vote work? Each member of maemo.org, who has an account that is more than 3 months old and who has earned over 10 "karma" points on that account, gets an electronic ballot. This election ballot is a pair of "single transferrable votes". Voters will rank their Council candidates in order of preference; understanding that if their top candidate cannot get elected with the votes they receive, the votes are redistributed by rank order until all five seats have been allocated. They will then be able to vote for Board members in the same manner as the Council election above, with the list of candidates running for that body. What's next? Community members should be considering whether they want to stand for Council, the Board, or possibly for both. Anyone who has karma of over 100 is eligible to stand, including employees and sub-contractors of Nokia. When nominations open, you can nominate someone via an email to the maemo-community mailing list (which they must reply to and accept in order to be considered a candidate) or you can put your own hat into the ring by emailing the same list indicating such. To be clear, candidates may choose to run for the Board, for Council, or for both bodies. Elections will be held at the same time, but each body will be voted on and tabulated completely separately. If a single candidate runs for both positions, they will appear in both ballot lists. At no point will vote tallies flow from one election source into the other. Update Oct-2: The list of nominees is complete, with one nominee pending Karma recalculation. Please review the list, and feel free to ask questions either here, on the mailing list, or on the wiki page. All candidates will be encouraged to answer community questions, preferably in a format that can be easily wiki-fied. Just as a reminder, those that want to vote should be sure they have 10 Karma. Note that in order for your TMO activity to count, you must link your TMO account to your Maemo.org account. Be sure to do that if you have not done so already! |
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As the coding competition is about to end very soon, we should substitute the logo with another one about the voting, pointing to this thread.
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Can I nominate people or are you only allowed to nominate yourself in person?
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Dave you can nominate people via the mailing list...
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You can, in fact, nominate anyone who meets the requirements. Please note however that the nomination period does not begin until September 15th. Also note that the nominee must reply to and accept the nomination on the mailing list to be considered as standing for the election.
Due to the wording of the election rules, the announcement of the election must happen at least one month prior to the actual election. This timing is the traditional method of holding the elections, and is designed to provide adequate advanced notice for everyone able to participate of the pending election process. |
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no idea where this will go (if anywhere), but in order to get a clearer picture of what we are getting ourselves into...
Q1) when will the new Council enter into office? Q2) when will the Board enter into office? Q˝) will both terms overlap? Q3) when and how will we accept or reject the "by-laws"? |
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I nominate the entire current council.
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Will both the Board and the Council have a President?
The Gentleman/Lady with most votes? how many underlords in The Board and the Council? |
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The Board being elected is for the new non-profit (that doesn't exist quite yet). So they don't start until there is an official meeting of the nonprofit at which each of the elected Board members formally accepts the position. The council term is 6 months from the date of the election (although Nokia is likely to cut off before then - 12/31/2012). The Board's term is one year from whenever they take office. Despite being held at the same time, these elections are for different organizations and the overlap circumstantial (although it is my personal hope that the nonprofit can continue to use the community council body for facilitating maemo projects). The bylaws process is going on now through community review and will continue as long as needed. We will be working to have a much improved draft by Sept 17th so that it can serve as a reference point during the Board elections. If there is a provision of concern in the bylaws, then it should be debated in conjunction with the Board election and asked of the Board candidates rather than the Community Council candidates. |
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Thread where by-laws are being discussed, & much of the above post is explained:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=86290 |
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since Estel is down from the council i nominate Arie according to the last election result ;) ./sifo |
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sounds good to me :) now to a more immediate but also important aspect of the election of the board (and, concurrently, the Council, of course). for the Q2 election we introduced the "wiki page" format presentation / introduction for each candidate. that's all nice and dandy but leaves maybe too much latitude to the candidate and the voters with to many unanswered questions. could we this time introduce a Q&A format, maybe a "mud thread" which would also put each and every candidate to the test of the daily churning of the Council activity (i.e. standing word and answer to the community on a thread)? |
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Does anyone of the current council run again?
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There were also a number of questions asked in the main thread here, and on the mailing list that each candidate answered. I would like to see the Q&A stuff on the wiki page again. I just want to make sure you're proposing something in addition to what was done last time, and not in replacement of it, as I think the last cycle the election went well and presented a lot of good information to those looking to vote. |
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Although it has been clearly advised that any candidate can apply to both Council and Board, I'd like to share my personal opinion in this question.
Council activities can be very time consuming and adding Board duties to that, could be a bit too much for most of the people (real life issues, work, etc). So I really think it would be better to have different people running for each position. That would also prevent that in case someone needs to step down from Maemo activities (for whatever reason) we would loose a member of both organisations. I haven't decided myself if I will run again for Council or for Board, but unless we really need more candidates, I will only apply for one position. |
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Why not just how long you've been rego'd at TMO & how many posts/thanks there? Many users who've only come on board since Harmattan won't meet this requirement, even older members in some cases. Seems a bit discriminatory..... Quote:
Also in the OP of this thread, it should be made clear exactly how many councilors & board members there will be, IIRC it was clarified in the by-laws thread. Quote:
(Assuming there's enough suitable runner-up candidates who can & want to step-up of course) Most users offering to fill these roles are already very busy in their "real lives", they're going to struggle filling one of the roles effectively let alone both. |
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jalyst, you can actually link your TMO account to maemo account to get the thanks and posts counted into karma...
Although IIRC it does take time for the above process to complete hence why I remember I wasn't allowed to vote in the Q2 council elections...I was too new...This time round though I think I may be allowed but ya there will be a huge number of users who won't be allowed to vote...Then again I'm not too sure how the karma system works and why its given that importance so I rather not comment on the appropriateness of karma... |
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I vote for jalyst!
Most posts should be president. Why use karma? |
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Still seems a bit cumbersome, leaves out way too many people who dont even know about it & probably should be part of the process etc. But no doubt this has all been carefully considered, & this approach deemed the best option for a range of reasons... Quote:
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Yup I'm amazed how you missed that out too :p It was quite widely publicised during the last Council election about linking one's TMO account to your maemo account...You have to copy the link to your TMO profile to your maemo.org account under the TMO section and click on link IIRC...
It takes around a week for the karma to be updated... Maemo.org doesn't seem to be loading fine for me ATM hence I can't post the screens or the exact locations for the linking...Will update once I can access it... |
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I've never partaken that closely in community governance/admin matters, & in the last 6mth I've increasingly followed TMO less (too busy IRL).
But at the same time my interest & concern in community governance/admin matters has become more heightened. :) |
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This time round I'm not too sure whether that stands as there have been a number of members who have joined only this year so its probable a number of them won't be eligible to vote due to their karma... In fact, if you read my next posts you'll see I clearly mentioned that it was quite publicised during the previous election on how TMO account should be linked to one's maemo account... Yes, I agree with you not many people actually end up voting and I'm happy to apologize if you felt that I was demeaning Council's efforts to get as many votes as possible...My point was simply to jalyst to inform him about the Karma linkage being possible and the system is such that there is a possibility that those who joined due to Harmattan don't be eligible to vote... After all, you can't include everyone as there will always be people joining and you can't accomodate all...There have to be certain restrictions on voting and I'm quite happy with the current system as is instead of suggesting something that might rock the boat... |
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Ah only 10 karma points...I don't know why I was under the impression that 100 karma points was the minimum required hence I thought it was not that easy for someone to participate in the vote...
At only 10 karma points there shouldn't be any trouble for anyone to vote! |
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The Karma process is designed to track participation, not just in the forums but in other arenas as well. In fact, giving Karma for participation in the forums was more of an afterthought, since the other services and tools existed before Maemo.org had a forum. (TMO was actually pulled into the existing structure, and before that had been it's own forum, with a separate name.) Quote:
All of the requirements were designed to ensure that people running for positions, and those electing them, were valid and real people with at least a few months of knowledge and experience. Without this, anyone could simply create a bunch of fake accounts the day of the election and cast tons of ballots. Quote:
As for the number of people being elected, that can vary. For Council, the number is either 5, or in a special case as few as 3. For the Board, the same process is being used for this cycle. Future cycles will be determined as set forth in the bylaws. Quote:
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These election rules have served the community well for some time. This, in part, is why the Board is using/cloning these rules as best it can. It's a known working and validated system. :) |
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I would encourage everyone in the community to let that kernel sink into their mind, and begin considering alternatives to the Karma system. One of the roles of the next Council may in fact be to find or invent a replacement for Karma, and fix the existing Council rules (via referendum) before the next election cycle. Karma is actually a really well thought out system, even if it's implementation has "issues" at times. It helps prevent duplicate accounts/votes, and provides a reasonable measuring stick, both to inform users of the level of contribution to the community, and to set minimums for participation in some activities. It would not be easy to replace if part of it were no longer computable, or available for use... |
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As of yesterday, nominations are open. While your comments on nomination and such are appreciated here, to be official you must submit the nomination to the community mailing list. |
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is there already a nomination close? |
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In an ideal world we'd have no one doing dual roles except for maybe one (debatable IMO), & they'd all be suitable for their positions & have popular support. I guess the best we can do is try to aim for that ideal, & as/if it becomes apparent that's not feasible, THEN we can adsorb more "dual rolers". Quote:
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Please, I ask all of you, spread the word on this, and encourage those you think would be good for the position(s) to apply. |
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Shouldn't we explicitly not make it a (conditional/temporary) rule after things are much clearer? Night.
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I submitted a self-nomination to the maemo-community list for Hildon Foundation candidacy, but used the wrong email address so it's being held pending moderator approval. If i need to resubmit using original email address, I can.
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