Re: [Council] State of Maemo, Q32010.2
 

IMHO the problem isn't approval, it's getting someone to actually do the work. Requests for components that Nokia isn't willing to open get WONTFIXed pretty quickly.

Like this? ;-)

I don't believe for a second that there's any malice involved. But there is such a thing as fatigue from too much begging that gets you nowhere.

Re: [Council] State of Maemo, Q32010.2
 

It is just that:
sounds to me like something new, a new plan or strategy for
opening closed parts.
I am really excited about that. What can we expect?

Nicolai

Re: [Council] State of Maemo, Q32010.2
 

Not sure if this has been discussed before, but by giving incentives for this community to migrate to MeeGo, as in providing an application framework that is compatible with both MeeGo and Maemo, with still making it clear that doom looms over the horizon for Maemo, is Nokia trying to set this community as the core for the new MeeGo community?

Forgive me if I sound naive, I'm still getting myself acclimatized to the way things happen.

Re: [Council] State of Maemo, Q32010.2
 

So do the same thing again and hope that the results will be different this time? No, I don't think so. Sometimes you have to learn and move on. I don't have an obligation to give Nokia repeated chances or to repeatedly bang my head against a wall.

To put this in context, I have a hard time asking community members to work towards Diablo SSU^2 because my gut and my brain is telling me that we can't rely on Nokia opening things up. As a member of this community, my obligation is to the community. And I can't, in good conscience, try to convince fellow community members that they should expect good results. I said awhile ago that we would be better off if we proceeded on the assumption that nothing would be opened up and be pleasantly surprised and grateful if they do.

Re: [Council] State of Maemo, Q32010.2
 

Then don't. I'm not putting a gun to your head.

I don't disagree. And, for Fremantle, the bits I'm interested in seeing improved are already open source.

Re: [Council] State of Maemo, Q32010.2
 

This is ridiculous. If they can't respond in a timely manner to their bug tracker they need to get the hell out of the software industry altogether. It doesn't matter if it's malice, idiocy, or (poor babies) over-work. If Nokia stipulates a procedure and the procedure doesn't work because of them then Nokia is full of crap, full stop.

At the very least the Council can stop bleating about "opening up maemo" every six months so we don't have to explain to a new batch of users that it is all talk and no action.

Well, congratulations, you fantastic egotist. Is it dizzying, the way the world revolves around you? I guess we can stop talking about this altogether, since you've got what you want.

Re: [Council] State of Maemo, Q32010.2
 

You need to remember that the council members are in effect employees of Nokia marketing. They get small favours from Nokia (paid trips to conventions, free gadgets), and in return they try to make it seem as if Nokia cares about Maemo users, as in every few months "Nokia wants to open up code, but bad developers don't help", or in council publishing Nokia's "response" to MyNokia fiasco, as if it is actually a response.

Re: [Council] State of Maemo, Q32010.2
 

The Council is here to help (ignoring Matan's trolling). If no-one says "oh, by the way, could you get involved as the relicencing process doesn't seem to be working", we won't get involved. As it happens, I have emailed Nokia this afternoon - pointing at the "ping" lma pointed to, asking on the status and further clarification.

I think you misunderstood me. I was saying that I've not followed the relicencing queue as I've not put anything on it. I was also pointing out that the openness of Fremantle is higher than Diablo.

If there's something blocked that you're interested in, could you please give me the URLs, and let me know your attempts to chivvy it along? I agree with you and lma: in a perfect world, we would not need to chase things up; but this is the real world and, technically, Nokia don't have to open anything up. It's difficult to justify a commercial business case for it, so bleats of "everything should be open" won't help.

Maybe nothing will, and if you're tired of trying, that's fine.

Re: [Council] State of Maemo, Q32010.2
 

Hey, that's out of line.

Those were available to anyone with a significant contribution (including yourself), or even (as in the case of the Amsterdam loaner N900s) anyone who just showed up.

Note that it was a former council member that voiced the strongest objections to cherry and wrote notmynokia.

Re: [Council] State of Maemo, Q32010.2
 

Fair enough, let's get this out of the way ;-)

Oh, by the way, if the relicencing process is back in business could you get involved as it doesn't seem to be working. More specifically, if there's someone looking at this again they could do a lot worse than check the existing pending requests (they're not that many).

Thanks!

That's somewhat debatable, but I don't think a direct comparison is meaningful. I would say they're both semi-open but quite different and leave it at that.

Agreed, and for the record I have no beef with Nokia, the council or anyone else in that respect.