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shmerl

2013-03-04 19:46

Canonical announces their own graphics server - Mir

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MirSpec

It sounds worse and worse to me, seeming like Ubuntu plans to isolate itself completely from the rest of the Linux world (not unlike Android?). Why can't they use Wayland? Their explanation on the page is very vague.

In general it sounds like a horrible fragmentation attempt.

Temporal

2013-03-04 19:49

Re: Canonical announces their own graphics server - Mir

Probably because everybody criticizes them and probably won't help them in any way.

shmerl

2013-03-04 19:51

Re: Canonical announces their own graphics server - Mir

To help them to fragment Linux?

Think for example of graphics drivers and games developers. Now they work with X.org. Next big shift - Wayland. Their head already spins. Now Ubuntu blows things up with their Mir.

I already imagine games developers say - forget this mess, stick with Windows?? And driver developers even more. Nvidia will just shrug and say - forget it. And there will no Wayland driver...

Dave999

2013-03-04 19:54

Re: Canonical announces their own graphics server - Mir

Go your own way if you believe in it! Make it or break it...

shmerl

2013-03-04 23:19

Re: Canonical announces their own graphics server - Mir

From the Mir page:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MirSpec#Mir_...s_Driver_Stack

Quote:

Right now, Mir is able to run on top of the free graphics driver stack, leveraging GBM, DRM and KMS to integrate with existing graphics hardware.

This sounds good (can share open drivers with Wayland).

Quote:

Right now, Mir does not run on desktop hardware that requires closed source drivers. However, we are in contact with GPU vendors and are working closely together with them to support Mir and to distill a reusable and unified EGL-centric driver model that further eases display server development in general and keeps cross-platform use-cases in mind.

This is a critical part, since it doesn't say that those drivers will be Wayland compatible.

jalyst

2013-03-04 23:35

Re: Canonical announces their own graphics server - Mir

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/03/c...-wayland-not-x
Great write-up here
https://plus.google.com/107555540696...ts/hzRy1rJaafc

shmerl

2013-03-04 23:42

Re: Canonical announces their own graphics server - Mir

Good summary by Aaron Seigo, though he doesn't address the potential drivers fragmentation issue.

shmerl

2013-03-05 00:37

Re: Canonical announces their own graphics server - Mir