Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 

Guys, are you all serious? We're talking about electing community representatives, or forging election farse, by some combination, which variation of fake-votes and fake-candidates will result in most desirable output?

Seriously, last two pages here would even offend Belorussian and Chinese standards on democracy. I can't believe, what I'm seeing here.

/Estel

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 

You may be right (and I really like your first post without any direct offences in this context), but we have to play according to current rules.
And it is not a government we "vote for", but a few people acting as "gateway"/volunteers.
Even more: imagine Chinese/Belorussians/former GDRs would have (had) the chance to nominate freely for governement and get voted ...

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 

Of course this is a really valid point of view, let's see how it works in practice.

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 

council been 'invented' to play the ambassador role between Nokia and community.
now that community elects the board as successor of Nokia, for all that's community (resources) related, I don't see where's the use to have an ambassador to negotiate between interest of community and interests of board, since, well, if board's interests are not community's interests then something went teribly wrong in election of board, no?

/j

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 

Council will help in acting as a counter-balance on the Board...Although unlikely there is always a possibility of the Board not exactly acting in the interests of the community-at-large hence the Council will help in keeping them on their toes...

Oh and this doesn't count the day-to-day things the Council will be required for like canvassing community opinion on matters etc...

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 

It seems to me that the risk of council being derailed regarding proper representation of community is about equally high as for board.

Going through the points at http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council#Council_work I see really few (maybe 1 or max 2) that aren't already either absolutely obsolete (device program, sponsorship of anual events) or done by board rather than council anyway (hiring stuff), and those max 2 points *could* as well get done by board - no need to have a council in parallel to the board entity, with all the overhead already mentioned this will introduce.

I'm not saying council is useless or obsolete per se, I just wonder if it's worth the effort to have two entities. The suggested control function over board is moot anyway in my book. Anyway that's just my take on that, and it's up to community to decide. I just think that in times where we have trouble to find 5 volunteers for one entity, it's maybe not really helpful to have two entites to populate and then see both fail due to lack of candidates.

/j

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 

I agree with you mainly...

What I feel is that maybe for the next few months at least while we are transiting, we should have both the Board and Council; once things are settled down this can be brought up for debate with maybe the Board being expanded and the Council dissolved...

Yes we have had difficulty in getting candidates but its not too hard to see why considering the troubles the last Council had to go due to various reasons. Not many people in their right minds would want to put themselves through all that IMO especially when coupled together with the uncertain future ahead...

Re: [Council] Maemo Elections (September 2012)
 

I get and understand everything everyone has said here. But this horse is not only dead, but has now been beaten into a fine purée, here, in Council, on IRC, and several other places.

The community is in a state of transition. No one knows for sure where things are going to go. Rather then try to predict the future, the outgoing Council choose to let this ride for one more term. That way, as a community we can see how everything looks if/when we're on the other side of the mirror in 3 to 6 months, and make an educated choice instead of a wild guess.

For now, I see Council and the Board working jointly on several things, and separately on a few key items that Council can't work on for legal reasons. By the time the community has to deal with this again we'll be at least 3 months in, and will have a much clearer idea of where things are, what's going on, and what the community needs.

Right now, things look good to me. We have an incoming Council, with active members. We have a Board ready to go, and one overlapping member who's already agreed to try to act as a conduit for the two. In spite of everything that's happened, I think we actually got a pretty nice setup in the end.

Let's focus on the immediate future for now, and leave this detail until January/February, instead of investing precious time and resources on it right this second, when doing so may prevent it from ever mattering, ok? :)