[Under consideration] Undelayed bugfix releases for Nokia (OSS) packages.
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Check brainstorm and discuss here.. |
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Agree. But any idea how long did it take for the full release of 41 to .42 to go public?
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Re: Undelayed bugfix releases for Nokia (open source) packages.
There are two sides of Nokia releasing an update to included software that should be considered:
One side that's probably not considered often here is that even though Nokia is using open source software the business processes might not be as open and so hence the delay. Nokia isn't a small shop; there are governance and logistical dependencies on every decision. Some of these are good, some of these impeed such fixes. Concerning updates on included software, the questions that have to be asked include: - does the update address something that has no dependency on locale/carrier included parameters with an object? - is the update a major or minor fix? If its major and has no dependency, then the business process needs to adjust to allowing for updates to come out faster. This endears those outside to Nokia in that it more closely follows open source foundations which may not have as many layers. If its minor and has no dependency. Release it. No questions asked. If it has a dependency, how can Nokia communicate their process effectively without damaging stakeholder relationships? - Maemo as a commnuity needs to help enable Nokia to be able ot answer this question. |
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I would be content with at promise that a fix in the version control would be released as bugfix release in 5 days, in 10 for issue with dependencies. Just make it (tm) happen - figure out why it is not happening and then fix the process. If somebody would go and measure the current fix-to-release process and check the lead times between "processing" stages, I sure they would find out that the fixes are just waiting "in storage" 99% of the time. That is waste(d time). |
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VRe, if Nokia/Maemo hired me, process improvement would be the exact area that I'd be working in.
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Reason why there is no individual updates?
Why there is such a monolithic release system in place? Release when everything is tested, all has to be ready or nothing is given?
Nokia has done updates for phones and older tablets the same way. When you think how a phone was flashed to newest firmware in a backroom of a store, it is easy to understand the value of complete monolithic update package. You're not going to the shop every day or week. Now the usecase is different as we use OTA updates - there is no backroom and therefore monolithic update release is the way of the past days. Full images can still be made for those store rooms if necessary.. As community we should encourage Nokia to do something which would make them really shine! See: http://maemo.org/community/brainstor..._packages-002/ |
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Of course, this is an open source movement, nothing is stopping anyone from crafting fixes for everything that's not IP-locked within the platform. |
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As an additional note to this discussion/brainstorm is that it'd be actually very helpful for everyone if Nokia would "officially" communicate to Maemo Community Council (hence to all of us) what is on their current development plate, ergo what's their platform development roadmap for near'ish future - but in quite low, single feature-wise level.
So, apart from bugfixes which are more-or-less traced via Bugzilla, it would be nice to know that "we are working on feature XYZ, we can't give you exact release date, but please stay tuned". That way end-users would know what to expect in future - but also that scenario would be very helpful for developers that are planning to develop (or already started developing) apps designed to cover these feature gaps. I know that's just wishful thinking and we'll probably never going to see such communication in place, but I generally think that's a grand idea to consider. |
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I'd suggest, in future, an email to council@maemo.org, pointing to appropriate threads and posts here. |
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Anyhow, thanks for suggestion to point this topic out to council email directly. Should I do that or have you communicated it to council already by any chance? |
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