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byte_76 2010-02-11 19:19
Palm WebOS on N900
 
Is it possible to get the Palm WebOS to run on the N900?

Is the hardware of the Palm Pre similar to the N900 or would the kernel and other components of the WebOS require lots of modification?

Just interested to play around with WebOS which is another system that is fairly good at multi-tasking and has some interesting functionality.

Stskeeps 2010-02-11 19:23
Re: Palm WebOS on N900
 
I tried for fun one lazy evening but it failed miserably. There's one big binary blob that's not very easy to diagnose on what goes wrong with it.

Addison 2010-02-12 05:52
Re: Palm WebOS on N900
 
Thanks for the attempt, Stskeeps!

Your effort alone earned my respect. :)

byte_76 2010-02-12 11:55
Re: Palm WebOS on N900
 
I agree, trying is better than nothing. If I had any idea of what to do I'd be trying as well because I think like all the other alternatives projects, it would be interesting to play around with WebOS on N900's awesome hardware.

It's great how so many other operating systems have run on N900 already.

Anyone else got any idea how to get WebOS running on N900?

amarjyoti 2010-02-13 03:24
Re: Palm WebOS on N900
 
I love the palm webOS too. I would have been cool if we could have gotten it running.
Palm gives out the open source programs they have used with the patches. It may be a nice idea to compile it with Mer and then try to get the other binaries work. Just a thought. :-)
http://opensource.palm.com/1.3.5.2/index.html

Addison 2010-02-13 03:30
Re: Palm WebOS on N900
 
I believe I need Palm OS to be able to run an app called UptoDate.

Because this isn't featured on the tablet, I'm force to carry another device with me.

Oh well. It would be nice to have but it's not that upsetting. :)

byte_76 2010-02-13 06:50
Re: Palm WebOS on N900
 
Thanks amarjyoti, that could be quite useful.

Anybody able to assist us here?

Lazarpandar 2010-02-13 07:00
Re: Palm WebOS on N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stskeeps (Post 521733)
I tried for fun one lazy evening but it failed miserably. There's one big binary blob that's not very easy to diagnose on what goes wrong with it.
I don't trust anyone whose been thanked on average 3x per post.

neatojones 2010-02-13 07:02
Re: Palm WebOS on N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lazarpandar (Post 524330)
I don't trust anyone whose been thanked on average 3x per post.
This is a joke, right?!?

Addison 2010-02-13 07:09
Re: Palm WebOS on N900
 
Stskeeps has a huge brain.

Maybe you should read his posts before making such a comment. :)

beli 2010-02-13 13:15
Re: Palm WebOS on N900
 
Maybe one can try to put the once leaked root image of the palm pre (http://www.precentral.net/pre-develo...gcustomization) on an sd card and try to boot from the sd just like the dual boots with Mer or Android?

www.rzr.online.fr 2010-02-14 00:08
Re: Palm WebOS on N900
 
what blob ? I've heard there is a full free linux cooking for that pre device ..

byte_76 2010-02-14 12:21
Re: Palm WebOS on N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by beli (Post 524641)
Maybe one can try to put the once leaked root image of the palm pre (http://www.precentral.net/pre-develo...gcustomization) on an sd card and try to boot from the sd just like the dual boots with Mer or Android?
More reason for me to get a memory card. Actually been waiting for the 32GB to arrive but I guess 16GB will be enough since I'm tired of waiting.

I have not really done any research yet to see what hardware the Pre runs but the chance that it actually boots on N900 is slim however it couldn't hurt to try.

byte_76 2010-02-14 12:25
Re: Palm WebOS on N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by www.rzr.online.fr (Post 525371)
what blob ? I've heard there is a full free linux cooking for that pre device ..
Interesting, I wonder what distribution they are using as the base for that rom.

Back to N900, does anyone want to try booting the Pre rom from memory card?

Stskeeps 2010-02-14 12:33
Re: Palm WebOS on N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by byte_76 (Post 525877)
Interesting, I wonder what distribution that are using as the base for that rom.

Back to N900, does anyone want to try booting the Pre rom from memory card?
That's what I did. Didn't work, as stated.

www.rzr.online.fr 2010-02-14 15:04
Re: Palm WebOS on N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by byte_76 (Post 525877)
Interesting, I wonder what distribution that are using as the base for that rom.
I think it's SHR from openmoko community ... but double check...

any pre developpers around ?

evankwh 2010-04-06 14:42
Re: Palm WebOS on N900
 
omg nokia n900 with WebOS = my dream device

byte_76 2010-04-07 08:45
Re: Palm WebOS on N900
 
I have personally never held a Pre in my hands before so I don't know first hand what it's like to use but in the videos on YouTube I liked what I saw and would certainly be interested in trying WebOS on my N900.

I think that there are many good things about the OS and it could have been or maybe can still be one of the best mobile OS on the market.

The only downfall is the lack of applications for the platform and it's probably the reason developers don't really seem to be interested in porting it to N900.

evankwh 2010-04-07 12:02
Re: Palm WebOS on N900
 
it has quite a few apps now and has some awesome 3-d gaming theres video on youtube about it. there app store has definatley gorwn. If you could get web os on nokia n900 with palms app store for me it would be a done deal

byte_76 2010-04-17 20:55
Re: Palm WebOS on N900
 
With all these open source WebOS packages, is there anybody that is willing to try to port WebOS to N900?

http://opensource.palm.com/packages.html

Bundyo 2010-04-17 22:17
Re: Palm WebOS on N900
 
Quote:
We are pleased to provide the source code of various open source components used in webOS.
Should be clearer now.

evankwh 2010-04-18 11:20
Re: Palm WebOS on N900
 
Just wondering if webos was able on nokia n900 would it also be possible to get web os apps

byte_76 2010-04-18 13:10
Re: Palm WebOS on N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bundyo (Post 615295)
Should be clearer now.
I never said it was the complete OS but that list has quite a lot of components which together with the leaked ROM from the link earlier in the thread, may be possible to get a modded WebOS to work on N900.

b-man 2010-04-18 15:18
Re: Palm WebOS on N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by byte_76 (Post 616056)
I never said it was the complete OS but that list has quite a lot of components which together with the leaked ROM from the link earlier in the thread, may be possible to get a modded WebOS to work on N900.
I'm sure it is possible to get the base system of WebOS working on the tablets with the list of opensource packages provided by palm, but the more important and major issue is the fact that the mojo framework which drives most of WebOS's user interface is proprietary, meaning that the only way to actually use WebOS' UI or the applications provided is to either get special permission from palm, which i highly doubt would happen, or create an opensource mojo clone. I think the big issue right now is how to legally bypass palm's mojo framework.

byte_76 2010-04-24 16:10
Re: Palm WebOS on N900
 
I don't know the first thing about programming and wouldn't even know where to start but if I did, I would certainly be doing this myself.
However, I don't so, any developer out there who has just the slightest bit of interest in this, please give it a shot! I'm sure it will be interesting and certainly plenty of people would be grateful.

Plus, as far as I know you would be the first person to successfully port WebOS to different hardware.

bayernhan 2010-10-25 02:40
Re: Palm WebOS on N900
 
lets dlo it

LucianoBraga 2010-10-25 03:43
Re: Palm WebOS on N900
 
"Nice" bump.

lma 2010-10-25 08:06
Re: Palm WebOS on N900
 
See also this thread, where javispedro is making good progress running some Pre SDL games on Maemo :-)

BigWookie 2011-05-15 16:21
Re: Palm WebOS on N900
 
I made a little bit progress, took the Meego RAW Image and the Latest WebOS Doctor image ( includes a rootfs image and uImage ).

Wrote the MeeGo image to a SD card and exchanged the rootfs files,
( but not the uImage on the fat partition, that wouldn't even start up ).

It boots a little bit but at a certain point the screen starts to falsh and halts.

Downside is without debugging tools I can't do very much from here. When the Pre3 comes out I will buy that, but in the meantime I wanted to have a usable Software on my n900.

javispedro 2011-08-19 17:18
Re: Palm WebOS on N900
 
Well, considering the recent news, I think it's time to publish something I did long ago: running webOS 1 on the N900.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbYX0-5fddM

While usable, it was a bit on the slow side (webOS is 320x480x32 while the N900 is 800x480x16 so there was scaling and color conversion), and NDK apps didn't work. And the method I used will not work for more recent versions.

But still doable.

funkmunk 2011-08-19 17:47
Re: Palm WebOS on N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by javispedro (Post 1073186)
Well, considering the recent news, I think it's time to publish something I did long ago: running webOS 1 on the N900.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbYX0-5fddM

While usable, it was a bit on the slow side (webOS is 320x480x32 while the N900 is 800x480x16 so there was scaling and color conversion), and NDK apps didn't work. And the method I used will not work for more recent versions.

But still doable.
This is brilliant..first NITDroid, then Meego & now WebOS..the N900 is simply not gonna die so easily...:D

N900L 2011-08-19 17:55
Re: Palm WebOS on N900
 
amazing!
will you publish it when its stable?
but isnt it possible to run webos apps (not games) via emulator on the n900?
thx javispedro

Alfred 2011-08-19 17:57
Re: Palm WebOS on N900
 
Sorry, but how is it better then garnet vm running TealOS?

MINKIN2 2011-08-19 17:58
Re: Palm WebOS on N900
 
How long have you been sitting on that bad boy?

That is awesome!!!!

I wanna play

javispedro 2011-08-21 01:06
Re: Palm WebOS on N900
 
All of the stuff I developed to run it has been available since long ago in my Gitorious repo, at https://gitorious.org/preenv/libx11fb. Nobody asked what was that for ;)

You will need to build this library, make a ext3 partition, put 1.4.5 on it, put a copy of libx11fb.so in / inside that partition; outside the chroot, run x11fbd -w 320 -h 480, inside the chroot, run the following script:
Code:
export LD_PRELOAD=/libx11fb.so

rm -f /var/run/dbus/pid
dbus-daemon --system --fork
dbus-daemon --session --fork

sleep 1

hidd &
java-serviceboot start &
luna-prefs-service &
BrowserServer &
PmNetConfigManager &
nappmgr &
fileindexer &
extractfs -f /var/luna/data/extractfs &

sleep 3

LunaSysService &
LunaSysMgr &
Boot takes around 80 seconds.



Note that I did this in virtually four days and nearly a year ago. I did it because after that webos on HTC fake news story from XDADevs I wanted to have something to be able to laugh in their faces, but after demoing it on Dublin Meego summit and running it for a while I mostly forgot about the entire thing (and actually never did the laugh in their faces part :P ;) ).

Maybe on the N950 with MT and faster graphics it has more sense.

N900L 2011-08-21 01:35
Re: Palm WebOS on N900
 
@javispedro or any member
can you post a tutorial on how to install this on the internal memory or on a sd?
for noobs?
And do i have to uninstall nitdroid for it?

why not making a wiki for this that shows the compatibility and whats working and not and provides people with all the informations neede.


i hope that calls are working.

thx

Hariainm 2011-08-21 01:39
Re: Palm WebOS on N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by javispedro (Post 1073806)
Maybe on the N950 with MT and faster graphics it has more sense.
**** yeah! I mean... Yes, ****, yesss!!! (ignoring completely you don't say i'm gonna try to do it, but...)

N900L 2011-08-21 02:00
Re: Palm WebOS on N900
 
anyone got this installed by now?
except javispedro?

if so please post a video show more of it features.

this needs to be handled with more importance.

@javispedro
open a main thread for this (like the grand nitdroid thread)
that provides users with all informations of this and where people can discuss about it?

javispedro 2011-08-21 17:52
Re: Palm WebOS on N900
 
Maemo is still my favourite platform and thus I have no intentions to further continue this -- you can either try it for the curiosity, or if you want to open a new thread to further develop it feel free.

I'll answer questions but not work on it. Someday I'll might try 2.0 on the N950.

Quote:
Originally Posted by N900L (Post 1073816)
And do i have to uninstall nitdroid for it?
i hope that calls are working.
It runs along Maemo. You can press Shift+Backspace and you get back to Hildon.

ivgalvez 2011-08-21 18:02
Re: Palm WebOS on N900
 
Thanks anyway Javispedro, maybe some has the time and skills to continue it.


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