it takes two to tango... true, abill seems to miss the "internet (chat / forum) etiquette" (basically, it's a wild wild world and nobody cares. the only thing browsers are certainly interested in is a good argument (aka flame war)) nonetheless, for the last 20+ posts many are personal attacks on abill. an internaut would just hit the ignore button (i have six ppl on my list that for too many posts didn't post anything but insults & personal attacks) or ignore a single post "out of line". abill doesn't seem to have that sensibility, but in this very case, he has been picked on. and has @ least behaved by not leaching back. even against poster who kept coming back with unsolicited and unwarranted insults. EDIT: ups, sorry, seven now