http://www.nxp.com/news/press-releas...om-google.html The PN65N features an embedded Secure Element, which uses the same proven and tested NXP security solution found in bank cards; electronic passports; transportation and ticketing; physical access and other contactless applications. The PN65N is pin-to-pin compatible with the PN544 NFC radio controller giving manufacturers the choice to design with or without the secure element. http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1281946 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6...595889#7595889 Lots of information but not much in the way of what I mentioned, yes you can do card-emulation, but the secure elements are non-trivial to modify. Apparently if we had/cracked the Google keys then it would be another story .... On 2012-07-04 09:26 , xxxx wrote: Thanks mate, only if you happen to be doing some Android related research soon. On 29/06/12 8:07 AM, zzzz wrote: I'll have to search for it later. On Jun 28, 2012 10:40 PM, xxxx wrote: Kosh can you recall where you were reading about all this? On 28/06/12 4:03 PM, xxxx wrote: Interesting thanks...... I'd love to know how they've overcome lack of SE/SWP on the SGSII/III, & whether it can be re-adapted in some way for Maemo6x (MeeGo-Harmattan). On 28/06/12 3:54 PM, zzzz wrote: To "forge" a card you need to present a fake secure-element or modify the secure element on the device. On the Nexus the secure element was originally usable, after a patch it was locked down to authenticated applications (or any app that could read it could copy your credit card to any evil-doer), on the SGS2(Korean) and SGS3 I believe there isn't one and they rely on one being available on the SIM card. But there are some methods to dodgying one up, I just haven't read up enough on it, and it does require the phone to be rooted and I'm not sure I want to do that yet. On 2012-06-28 15:26 , xxxx wrote: But Nexus has the actual "physical" SE/SWP required doesn't it, or can you add that via dongle or similar and then support in the fw? On 28/06/12 3:18 PM, zzzz wrote: If you root the phone you can fake a secure-element source . The Galaxy Nexus could do that, but they nerfed it in a firmware release, so people had to hack it back in. On 2012-06-28 14:59 , xxxx wrote: You also need to have a secure-element/SWP (single wire protocol) embedded... My N9 has NFC but alas lacks a secure-element, so could never support secure transactions*, even if Nokia went to the effort of securing licensing etc. And they wouldn't, as they only care about their WP's now, so only the 610NFC & other upcoming Nokia WP's will do what some Android phones do now. Oh and I think some of the most recent S^3 ones can including the very recent 808PV, but pretty sure that will be it. *there are mSIMs with SE/SWP embedded, & stickers, & dongles, but I don't think adding support would be trivial, not sure though. On 28/06/12 2:46 PM, zzzz wrote: Yeah, if I was in the US I could even use Google Wallet and pay for things at those "paypass" terminals in shops. It's not a technology problem, the phone can do it, it's some crappy visa/mastercard licensing thing.