Thread: Suitability of Jolla Vs Canonical for CIS
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2015-03-03 , 22:03
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Originally Posted by jalyst View Post
Nah, most here are smart chappies, they're able to see that from what has transpired...



We just don't have the info, there's really no point getting "hot under the collar" at this stage of the game. I really would like to see you argument for why it's "game over" if it's a decent Intel SoC though (remember, no gross assumptions about what it may be). I'm thinking they may be planning a low-end Intel based model, & something slightly higher spec'd in the ARM space, but it's pure speculation.




They don't put all their eggs in the UK, they're not that stupid, they have spread it all over the shop, the UK would be far from the single-most important place for them, there's too much financial oversight & predominance of rule-of-law.



Not true, anyone need only watch the regular coverage of relations between countries in the greater region (pick any vast array of channels), it's patently clear that there's way more tension between the UK & Russia. Finland's a border nation, it's also not a middle-to-upper power like the UK, it's had a far more neutral approach for many years. There are examples where things tip away from that on occasion, but on-balance, there's vastly more mutual understanding & cultural/historical linkages between Finland<->Russia than Russia<->UK, they share a fair bit of infra, too.



You assume that Jolla wouldn't allow a full (& regular) audit of their closed bits by the Russian gov't, wouldn't surprise me if they did. Who actively avoids involvement with five-eyes, Canonical?



There is no convergence, yet, & that's a long ways off, for now...
1) If they do realise this they like to claim otherwise very loudly here.

2) All Intel's 'big' partners for the 14nm Atom mobile / tablet chips are either Taiwanese and/or firms with existing (and gigantic) chip purchase agreements with Intel, whereby they will be getting these for free essentially (much better than free actually). The only Chinese one of note is Lenovo, and they fall very firmly into this category. The mass of Chinese OEMs that Jolla has supposedly been trying to woo just aren't interested; volumes are tiny, the reference platform's very restrictive (and developing their own would cost far more than ARM), if Intel reduce the gigantic subsidies then they're left high and dry, and there's no performance or efficiency advantage. This whole project is mostly about keeping their foundries busy, especially whilst they're still struggling mightily to make bigger chips work on 14nm FINFET.

3) If you think that the UK isn't the most important external market for corporate Russia in political, social and economic terms you're completely delusional. Much of the élite spend huge chunks of time there or live outright, as do their families. As for the oil and gas industry .. it simply couldn't function as it has for the last decade and a half if UK energy interests were banished or appropriated. The state would fall.

4) You're completely wrong. You correctly state that Finland is a border nation. Have a think about that, and the belicose nature of various Russian politicians and armed forces figures' pronouncements. The only existential threat the UK faces from Russia would be in a doomsday scenario ... one which I suspect all sides are pretty keen to avoid. You also correctly mention shared history - the defining shared history was the repelled Russian invasion which more than anything else defined the modern Finnish state, and nationalist Russians don't like that at all (the same ones champing at the bit to reclaim "Crimean Russia" and the Baltics).

5) If they're prepared to do that and aren't opening said sections because of perceived or actual commercial value, then they can pretty much write them off and open them immediately. All of it would be turned over to Russian state agencies and interested commercial entities ... if you think otherwise, you're grossly naive.