Thread: Sw ecosystem of Sailfish, its health -or lack thereof
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2015-04-23 , 21:17
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Originally Posted by ZogG View Post
So if you do not know what are modern apps and you do need UI with buttons, why did you buy jolla and not n900 that has most apps jolla has and cheaper and more hackable?
I do have N900 but the HW is fairly dated. Nice device but lacking memory/cpu/connections. And yes, I am waiting for Neo900 which adresses these problems.
Jolla is just as hackable as N900 is. And it is a natural evolution on the same principles.

BTW you still did not define the "modern apps" I asked about.


Originally Posted by ZogG View Post
As well as it's kind of funny to hear guy who talks about open source and on other hand says that there is no need for several same apps. Maybe the freedom of choice and as well as competition is good.
You delibrately misquote/misunderstand me.


Originally Posted by ZogG View Post
You may as well tell that there is no need for Facebook or Twitter, but currently there is no proper apps even for that.
Okay, I'll bite the bullet you throw to me; "There is no need for Facebook or Twitter" <--- You can quote me on that.
I use neither and see no value in them.


Originally Posted by ZogG View Post
But again I feel that any app that most people are using (even if it's not important time-waste apps) and is not on jolla I mention you'll tell there is no need for that. But guess what, I want to decide not to use Facebook app/chat and not to be forced because there is no option.
Those apps maybe are not most useful, and maybe you use ssh to connect to home server to switch song from toilet more often than using apps with UI, but those apps are standards for any smartphone.



Originally Posted by ZogG View Post
And about UI vs console. Yes on computer console may be more useful than gui apps in a lot of cases, but not on the phone. You can't admire swipe, gestures and pulley menu (features of jolla being unlike) and at the same time to say you use console. You see the logic here? If you like swipes so much, but use only console apps?
You really really have not thought this through. I am not saying UI does not matter, I am saying that in addition to UI the important thing is to have the device be extendible/customizable to the point that you can easily automate tasks, that you do not need to rely on functionality decided by manufacturers and application vendors.
Look, it is not just about swipes; WP has swipes of it's kind but it is not extendible!

When you talk about "console" you seem to think that means using the console to launch functionality... When I talk about "console" I mean the whole works; functionality that does not need any UI to be useful;
Just some examples;
  • automatically immediately uploading any pictures I take to my gallery online
  • recording all my calls
  • backing the device up each night
  • setting device mode based on the location I am currently
  • tracking my location and updating that to my private online route map


Originally Posted by ZogG View Post
And yes android and iPhone have hundreds of thousands shitty apps and programs, but still even if they have 10% of cool apps it's way more than jolla has in total - not to compare, just telling that you shouldn't judge android by bad apps, but by good apps, as most services, gadgets, iots support android out of box, android has system administration, console and terminal, and you can even compile kernel. So if you compare you should not compare good side of you fav product with bad side of other one. Btw there are roms which are more open source and hack friendly than jolla
Of course android has shell console; however what makes it difficult to use is the fact that even as the kernel domain is linux the userspace is not libc-compatible and thus you have really hard time using the standard toolchain. It is just not meant to be used like that.
You talk about there being more open and hackable roms, but the fact remains that they still have the same bionic-induced problems as any android derivatives. The only one real alternative is SFOS I am afraid.
 

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