and Prboom runs just fine, i thought this would be option for heretic/hexen since there isnt much about for porting, plus the fact that its combined means i dont need to have 4 different shortcuts/directories setup for them, plus the quake console is quite helpful since i can just bind keys via the console. plus theres the full multiplayer thats being worked on. not sure how compatable it would be ported once its up and running though.