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Originally Posted by Benson View Post

Well, I'm afraid the arguments, coming as they are from multiple people, don't always line up nicely. If I understand it, your perspective is that "They said it would be open; they should do what it takes to fulfill that promise."?

If so, that's well and good for trying to persuade them that they should, but I'd suggest that expecting a corporation to keep a promise made several years ago is not an accurate way to predict what will happen. Fundamentally, I think ROI is the way to try to predict their actions -- you are expecting them to invest significant expense in making some current version of Maemo open-source, and the only reason they actually will do that is an expected return, whether that takes the form of consumer trust (because they're seen to be keeping their word), increased sales, or (if the promise of open-source were legally binding) simply avoiding a lawsuit.

Then again, I guess I should say I never came away from any of their advertising with the notion of any real promise to be completely open, as you apparently did. Maybe my corporate-mouthpieces-are-always-lying filter was tuned too high and blocked it, maybe it's just because I didn't really follow IT news that closely till I got my N800 (shortly after the N810 launch leak) and all the solid promises were before that; I don't know. But as I see it, the promises really don't mean much at this point. If they were made, and are broken, then they obviously weren't worth the $MEDIA they were $PUBLISHed on, and if they weren't then they're also of no effect.
Perhaps we are discussing this in the wrong thread, but the other thread was so bad...

Don't misunderstand me, I'm not expecting them to make some version of Maemo fully open-source or arguing that they should, but I am saying that they should at least do enough to allow community maintenance, help those who developed Maemo apps, etc. They came to the community asking for people to produce apps, etc., on an unpaid basis, and now we are looking at the prospect that hundreds of maemo apps are going to become useless and obsolete. There is a lot of room between fully open source and doing next to nothing. The argument that they shouldn't bother to twist arms to relicense components is correct to some extent as you've pointed out and I agree with, but is not a full picture of what is happening in the case of Maemo. They are not opening any components. There are some (stylus keyboard?) that were created by Nokia but they simply won't bother to open them. So that is not the reason for the current situation.


Originally Posted by Benson View Post
I guess I never saw Maemo or open source in general as some alternative to upgrading. After all, I don't run Linux 2.4 anymore -- how would even a completely open system the eventual need to upgrade to support new hardware and new applications?

To me, the principal benefit of an open-source OS is the hackability, the ability to make it do as I wish now, not the expectation that I'll be able to run it on any new hardware, or that it'll remain useful on current hardware forever. To this end, some components matter much more than others, and it's perfectly acceptable to me that some parts (ones that I can simply skip using) may never be open.
But you are probably running OpenOffice or some other app that was leveraged when going from 2.4 to 2.5 to 2.6. In the case of Maemo/MeeGo, we have to start all over again with each version. For you and some others, the value lies in hackability, but for many others, the promise of open-source was the ability to use OpenOffice, etc., and not being forced into software upgrade mode.

It is not black or white, fully 100% open or not, there are shades of grey and they do matter.
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